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Grammy Award Winning Producer & Local Legends: Dealing With Pressure & CRAZY Clients | Episode #61
On this Episode of The MJ38 Show (Podcast):
Matthew and Justin talk with Ace One and Nick Shan.
Ace and Nick are both audio engineers and music producers based out of San Antonio as well as long time friends.
They’ve produced all of our (MJ38) music as well as many other local and international artists.
Today we talk about Fatherhood, Wild Studio Experiences, and Ace’s Grammy
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I love tequila, bro. What are y'all? What y'all is liquor preference? What do you what what do you sit? You know, mine has been I don't I feel like Patron silver has been my thing forever. Like tequila in general. Tequila. Tequila? Yeah, forever. But it has to be chilled. I don't I have to do the chill, too. Yeah, like this one? Yeah. This one would have been awesome. Chilled. You know what I heard? It was great. None of. That. Sorry. I didn't think about that. Yeah, you came out of it. You can hide behind the chilies. Yeah. The cold. I definitely hide behind the pickle. The cold that helps hide the flavor. Yeah. And the effect. Right. Because I should be hitting, boy. The hitting. Yeah. I want to kill the guy. Well, you said, If I had to choose, I would say tequila. Like, during the week, if it's a special occasion, I like to do, like, a Irish Scotch whiskey. Okay. Oh. Irish whiskey. There is a random one that I just randomly grabbed, and it was like, this is what I'm gonna drink forever. But I couldn't find it again, you know? But, if it's like, during the week, there's rain, you know, I don't know if y'all remember drinking that rain. Is it alcohol? Oh, it's. Alcohol. Okay. It's like the energy drink or like. No, it's it's called rain. It's like 1899 for a really big, like, fancy looking bottle. Okay. Is it like rain? Like what? The weather. A rain like a king rice? Vodka. I n yeah. Okay. That was. Vodka. That's maybe my go to on a budget. Okay. Yeah. You got this. Nice. My go to is. Yeah. My go to is is Michelob Ultra. You guys know that. Yeah. Michelob ultra yeah. That's my the studio drink. Hey, what's the studio? Where did you make the switch from Bud Light to Michelob Ultra? You know, that's a good question because. Yeah, that's right. When we started working together, I was on the Bud Light. We were on the Bud Light. Yeah, but I, I don't that's a great question. I have no idea. I think after I saw the get the commercial 90 calories. Yeah. I got like, oh they got me. I think that's bitches right. No. Like. Yeah they definitely got me. So yeah that's my, that's my, that's. My. My I like big loves like. Yeah. Michelob ultra. Yeah. No I don't know Michelob Daseke's. I don't really have too much of a preference for it. For the studio, my switch went from Bud Light to White Claus. That's how most people know me. Bud light to bring bring the White Claus to the studio. But like when they first came out, you know, you don't feel guilty drinking it, like. Because it doesn't. Less guilty for sure, you know? Yeah. This is that it's almost like water to a degree. Sometimes. Like carbonated water. Yeah. Yeah. I have to. This is my first time with the White Claw, but really, I don't. I don't feel guilty at all. You your first, first seltzer. Your first white color. No, this is my. This is. Yeah. This is my first white. It looks it. Looks like I got another one. Boys. You. Yeah, yeah yeah yeah I know I got, yeah I got I gotta tell. You paying for that. Yeah because a. Lot of people's first White Claws with me. Yeah. Oh really. Oh yes. All right. Okay. We're starting a line. Over here in line. We should get you a sponsorship. Yeah, as I say. Yeah, yeah, I. Mean, I don't know if I can handle the handle White Claws anymore. Like I took a break. Sorry. No. No deal. Really. But, Yeah, I took a little break from it. Okay. I guess it's true. You can have a little bit too much where it's just like you got. Oh, yeah. You started. Or is that part of your break is a part of, like, your diet as well? You say you're starting out with a part like no alcohol. Yeah, well. Well no no no no. Liquor straight there. Yeah. There goes the soda, bro. Soda. Fuck you up, bro. Yeah, yeah. So it's like, a lot of ice with a heavy pour drink is what I'm doing now on the rocks. And, like, so say the session starts, it'll sit there, it'll melt, let time go by. Yeah, a little dilution. The clients already had about two. Okay. All right. You get some work done, get a little sip. For the board. There you go. Job gets done. Yeah. Down the hatch. There's definitely a science to drink in. In the studio, that's for sure. Okay. We're going gonna drink 4 or 5 nights a week. You gotta figure out a method. All you gotta figure out here. Yeah. For sure. Right? Yeah, I guess I gotta talk about the studio for anyone who doesn't know, I guess these are our producers. Some best in the city. Hey, a shout outs if you make music, whatever you do, they got some shit. Yeah. We were super blessed to have met ace before we met Nick. Ace was working for someone who was using higher end producers making higher quality music than everybody around us. A lot of people were using like Garage Studios or like Cosa Studios and stuff like that. But you were always like this elevated. If you've got a banger, you should save up some money and try to go maybe to this guy. But you also, I felt like you were more exclusive back then to like, I don't think we could just get a regular appointment with you because we didn't know you like that. But then we got introduced and then you were like, dude, come through anytime. And then since then it's been magic, dude. That's right. I yeah, I feel like, I've been very lucky. My story, like, I feel like when I came down here, I've never advertised, it's just been word of mouth type thing. And even that's lucky, you know? That's crazy. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, yeah. And so, yeah, I remember that we got together by. But through word of mouth it was, it was. Yeah. And and we had, we had, we had we didn't we did some amazing work. For actually amazing work. Yeah. It's been like years. Yeah. Go first. So how. Long do you guys think. It's probably like at least three. No. At four I would say be. It was before Covid for sure. Yeah. Right. Yeah I think. I was 24. Two. Was. Like Jesus before we actually met. We met twice. Yeah I think. At a limelight or something or. No through SPI SPI. Oh okay. Yeah I know I've said I want to hear that story. You know, I guess that's. What I said. You were we. Were throwing a party. Oh okay. Okay. You know, I'm saying yeah, I know. I used to live like, you know, that ghetto apartment I was talking about that. Yeah. Yes. Well, that's the first time, I met them. They they came to the apartment. I remember thinking that guy. Really cool. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that was true. That's the homie. I think that's. Yeah, I got good vibes. I think I. Remember thinking I saw those guys at the studio and of course, like, shout outs by AMC, you know. Yeah, I mean to that, you know. Yeah. He's such a punk like connects. Everybody had limelight in my mind. It was like there's like a like a sub a sub connection. Yeah. You were there. Oh I was halfway there. Yeah. That's what I say. Damn, bro, it's been like four years. Wow. Or you four years. Four years. And you guys, you guys started working. So we had work for a little bit, I believe, right, for a couple years. And then you guys started working. You've done some amazing stuff as well. I've heard a lot of bro. Yeah. Nick is changed my career in a way I really can't thank you enough for. Dude, seriously. He'll find the sound. I always remember back to the time where we transitioned working from ace to where I would just, like, text you and be like, hey man, like, I need I needed to just start making music in my routine. Like once a week. I just need to go to the studio and like, do it for creative exercise and you're always available. And everything we made was so good, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Agreed A and you know, when y'all want to have sessions at 10 a.m., it's always available. That's what I was telling ace earlier. I was like. Yeah, I'm kind of there for like. Around ten, 11 a.m., you know. Yeah. And that was the best because I used to like to wake up and I would either go to the gym and then go to the studio or go to the studio, then go to the gym, then go to work. And then just like boom, boom, boom. Boom, boom. That's what he was saying. Yeah. The yeah, we hit the gym and then hit. Yeah. Hit the studio. Yeah. You look closer. Oh my bad days. Yeah. Go to the like. My bad. Yeah you can tell. Yeah. So I don't know how you do it. 10 a.m. from 10 a.m. for me. Hey, you got to think about it this way. You got to think about, like, your brains fresh and then like you're having a coffee and then, like, your first morning smoke. I know, you know. Yes, but like, you had your. First morning. Something special about. Like, your ears are really, like, not fatigue, you know, like, they're just like, At the moment, you know, there's one of them. I think maybe we maxed out the capacity on the camera. Hold on. We're going to take a quick commercial break. We'll be right back. Hold that thought. Hold that thought. Cause, like, this shit is done. I'm going to hug the shit out of you like the shit out of you, all right? Yeah. That's. That's a beautiful thing. Yeah. You know, she's going to be a girl. Yeah. So me girl. Dad like Chris Pratt. I think Chris Pratt was the first dude I ever saw. Say, girl, that. And I was like, the fuck is he talking about? You know? So, you know, it's like a wow. Know that right here. Dude, I'm with you. You're such a blessing. Congratulations. Thank you, thank you. It's crazy. It's a I. Was like, cheers to that. Cheers. Yes. We just did a reveal. We just did a reveal. We had some real breaking news. Another. Yeah, another technical difficulty. But that led to this reveal. Grand reveal before we know what it meant. What it means it. Year for you, baby. Come in and baby come in. It's insane I can't, I really can't. The new business with the new baby. Sometimes I think that the her name is Demi. And then Demi. I like to say Demi, and that's like, if Demi Moore introduces herself, she's like, hi, I'm Demi Moore, so I like Demi Elohim, I'm Mallette, that's her name. Okay. It's the best bar I ever wrote. I think, in my opinion. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. That's five. That's Demi Elohim. And Elohim is, Elohim is. You're blessed by the Elohim. Yeah. It's, The God with us. Is that what that means? Or that a different is that Emmanuel? I think that's Emmanuel. It's a Hebrew word is the thing I'm trying to think of. It's a Hebrew word for God. Same way. Emmanuel's a word for God, right? But it's it's God, the creator. Like, look it up. The creator of the heavens and earth, the person, the person that made your life and made trees and, like, created everything in the seven days. It's like, so then the me is almost like Spanish or Italian for like of Maya, of me. So her name is, if you ask me what her name is translated to, it's, it's of creation of my creator is what I think her name means. And, my mom's, you know, she named me Matthew, and she needed my sister Grace. And I feel like when I was just thinking about. Because it was almost like a writing exercise, like, what would you name your fucking kid? You know what I'm saying? Like, that's a heavy thing, you. Know, Supreme One or Mighty One? Yeah. That's what I came back with on Google Translate. Or it's like yes I Google or what, what is the real meaning of Elohim. And that's one of them. I've heard it in that verse. There's others. Yeah I heard. It. And a. You really. Yeah. He says you got blessed by the Elohim. Praise Elohim is show. Well, the. Show that was missing when you. Yeah. When he saw. Yeah. That's what that's another reason why I like it is where where I had heard it originally was. Jay-Z has a bar on the album. 444 where he's like, what? How he say praise Elohim is a whole new regime. That's it. That's what you said, right? Yeah. I think he's saying a different song, which is crazy. Yeah. You got blessed by the Elohim. Oh, show the shots. So show the world the greatest thing you've ever seen. So here's how that name hit me in the face was because, her, we had a different middle name. We were working, but I didn't like it. And then, I knew I wanted to change it, but I knew I needed to pitch a fucking fastball. You know, when you're naming your child, it needs to be fucking bangers coming out. Yeah, yeah. You need to come in with a bang. Rose and I. I like Rose, you know what I'm saying? No disrespect to Rose. And I like the four for making an eight character name for the first to middling. So was Demi. Is. I was. Demi. Rose was going to be initially. That's a rock star name. Got it right. Or rock star? A porn star, I don't know, that's it's okay. It's fine line fine. Line by line between the two. You know. I'm saying I got a razor, right? But regardless. Parents is a baby all love. You know it's not destiny. Hold on. Let me get to the bottom of this thread. It was, So I'm sitting there driving in my car, and I remember thinking, just in my own mind, I had this, like, non-intrusive thought, but inspired thought that was like, I wish I could just name or demigod, you know what I'm saying? Oh, anytime. If I ever die, I want her to think about her name and be like, I want her to hear my voice in her head saying, I know exactly what you were when I named you. Like when Kanye is like. I told you what I thought I was. Oh, God, you know, how would you. Yeah. Like, I want that moment where, like, from my voice, where I'm like, I told you what? I thought you were like a demigod. Almost. You know what I'm saying? Bigger than life. Yeah. And so I was like, I wish I could. And then I'm listening to this song called A Saturday Morning Cartoons, and it's a new song with Cordae. He dropped an album this year. I don't know too much about this guy Cordae, but he had Lil Wayne on the feature, so I play that song a lot and it's a banger. Lil Wayne eats that verse up. It's nice, but in chords, verse he goes, Something about my self-esteem was low as my credit, but I keep on going and I thank the Elohim that I woke up this morning. And I was just like. Bars. It, like, hit me in my chest. Like, I was like, oh, Elohim is like a beautiful name. That is beautiful. And then I remember the Jay-Z song that I love so much with that bar sticks out. And I'd heard a sermon about how that that song really means, or that there's a bunch of names for God, but the Elohim in particular meant like the creator, the one that made it, you know what I'm saying? And that that was the CBC. I had heard that, and that brought a lot of reference to that Jay-Z bar. I was like, oh, that's what that means. I didn't really know. What he was saying. Yeah. And, and then it really clicked with that, right when I was like, I wish I could just name or demigod. And then I was like, Elohim is a name for God, and it's beautiful. And I was. Like, dude, perfect, perfect. Yeah. I'm signed. Yeah. That it's got a beautiful. And, you know, you're going to have to sleep on it too, you know, because like, my daughter was going to be named a whole bunch of different. Things. Yeah. Lots of possibilities. Yeah. And like, so the situation that happened, with naming my daughter was we all agreed on harmony, right? Because, you know, Harmony. It's beautiful. Musician name. And, my baby mama. Oh, God is going to kill me. She wanted to use her last name as her middle name, which was Luna. You know, like squeeze it, squeeze in her, like, made name in there. So, I think that and I was like, well, you know, I was like, you know, let's just do Harmony moon instead of Harmony Luna. Well, you don't want the multi. The cultural or the bilingual aspects. No, it's just problem with the bilingual. Don't be squeezing that last name in. You know. You know, in the middle name. You feel me? I say, you know. And, we ended up on Harmony moon, and, I mean, I think that's pretty. Pretty sweet. Yeah. And, crazy little fun fact is that, the night that she was born, there was other, two other harmonies born in the. Same, same hospital where, So, like, the nurses were like, the nurses were like, we never get this. Like, oh, my God. Three babies at the same name. Yeah. And it's all harmony. Harmony, bro. You were lined up. You were lined up and like, I was lined up. Yeah, yeah. That's pretty strange. The guy was like, mellow me. Go on. That's hard. I'm into that. Yeah, I forgot that. One more. One final is. Is that her name? Harmony moon? Yeah. Oh, okay. Okay. I thought you were saying that like that was a potential. Then you switched to something else. I think that's where I was. No, no. Yeah. I was like, we decided on Harmony moon. Yeah. You have to sleep on it, though, because there was Rose. Really? Like, maybe like within seven days of thinking we were going to settle on that name. It wasn't sitting with me, right? And I was like, nah, like I. And then that ain't it. I need a fucking fastball or I'm not going to win the argument that we should change the name because we're starting to let it settle into this thing. Yeah. So sleeping with it's a real thing, because. If you don't like, you don't like it for a. While. Well, because we had a toss up for. Okay. But then once we found Harmony. What was the other contender? Harmony. Luna. And was it the first name? I mean, yeah. The first first name we try to do. I wanted to do something that sounded like Nick, you know? Okay, that wasn't going to work. Yeah. Natasha. What's the what's the. Okay? Yeah. What's the female version? The. Nick. Nicole. Nicole. Dude, that's not gonna work. Okay. That's fine. That's it. I know, but, like, know if is city Nicole out there? Blake. That's like a, like, fifth kid down the road. I they, you know. I like to call. You Nicole Kidman fucking Nicole. Oh no. You're second. I'm not a horrible I'm not a creative juices. Hey fuck it though because. Yeah because though because like you're second you're second or first kid okay. It's going to have the creative name but like you know. Okay, give us a couple more hours. Say hey, no way bro. That's like your third album. You're just going to give up on the third album? No. Like nothing will happen is. After that it's Nicole. Nate. Natasha. There you go. And everything on the dark side. You know what I mean? Right? Right, right, right. So we could you. Yeah. I'm with you. Do you restart running out of rhymes? You start running on the bars. You got to work with what's left in the barrel. Nick. You get more creative than that. Let's crazy. This guy's a machine. Nick. Let it go around. Dude. I just have a kid for that. No. The next. The next baby girl coming in here. Colette, you will be born. Nicholas. Yo, one of the really crazy thought that I haven't shared with anybody about, Demi just feeling like. Because. Okay, well, the other thing is, in the restaurant industry I was really exposed to, I never really heard Demi throwing around my fucking matrix like it. All right. Yeah, but when we started this new restaurant, one of the things we were doing was a demi glaze and a port demi. And so I had to remember those were slices. And then I kind of got this imprint of, like, this little sauce that some people like, you know what I'm saying? I don't want to name my kid after a fucking saw scene of them. So, like, so when I would say the name to the people that worked at the restaurant, they'd be like, oh, like a port Demi, you know what the fuck you're going to get after a sauce? You know what I'm saying? Sauce. Oh, so there was like this little a little hint of, but I'm thinking about like when I tell my stepdad, you know, her name is Demi Elohim. Like, yeah, I don't think he's going to his reference point isn't port Demi. What the fuck? You know what I'm saying? His reference point is Demi Moore. You know what I'm saying? Demi lovato, Demi lovato yeah. And then. So, and then every time I would say the name to try to, like, break into someone's matrix with it, I would say, like, you know, like Demi Moore, like, that was usually the first one I went to. So then we were at, Marissa's baby shower with her family maybe last weekend or whatever. And it was the same night as the Canelo fight, which is cool because her, I don't know how is related. Sister's husband came through and like hooked us up for the Canelo fight. So we're like watching it live while they're opening presents, presents and stuff like that. And we bet some money on it, just like something like. So we were like real fucking locked and you know. Yeah. And then there was one moment where they fucking panned to the audience and they're like superstars in the house tonight. And then it was Demi Moore. Oh, I was sitting there and I was just like. Yo, I'm fucked up right now, bro. This is crazy. Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo. And that is the. Only celebrity that they showed. They didn't even go to anybody else. What's for real? Okay, so locked up. Right. Let's do doo doo doo doo. I was just like, okay, this is like, we found the right name. That's random. Or like, that's quote unquote random for if I was an audience or watching that fight, I would've been like, that was random. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a weird one. Celebrity. If there's like a president or like, fucking Beyonce. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Well, I thought they were going to do, like, you know, fucking Celebrity. Row. Right? Yeah. I thought the next one I just envision courtside. Exactly, bro. Yeah. And what's the problem. Is they're fucking rising up. Yeah, I was thinking actors, you know, but even so. Yeah. Anybody famous? Ryan Gosling. There we go. That's what I expected to be next was Ryan Gosling. And I was just like, all right, back to the fight. I was like, what the fuck? That's all. Crazy. And it's cool. Her, cousin's names are Liam at Mila, which is on a side of Graham's. Yeah, their names are in anagrams. I think that's five bars from their parents. That's hard. That's that's autistic shit. Mila. Liam. It's fire. But then Demi is also a four character name that slides into that bunch. I'm just like, oh, we're writing hits over here, right? Yeah. Yeah, definitely. That's at least, of course, life is. Life is at least a hook. Yeah, yeah. So I guess I guess we're all, no, dad, daughter's here. Yeah, yeah. And same. As. Well any. Is I'm working on it. Yeah. Every weekend. Yeah. Every week. No rush brothers. But now that these white clothes are here. Yeah. Hey, you know, nice. The the tonight. So you eventually it'll be the night. Yeah yeah yeah, yeah. It's that night and then. It would be that. Night. You just. It happens nine months later. It like, you know I mean that's how it is. Yeah. Like you know, dude, you want to hear. So the math checks out I was pretty. I don't know, it's one thing. One of the things we like to do here is push the envelope. So if we ever just go for a joke that's out of pocket, just. You just got to roll with it. Got it. All right, I got it. But I was pitching heat in the sack. Okay? Right around. The time she got pregnant. Like. Yeah, I mean, even I was like. Moved, but yeah, dude, you know. I tapped into some werewolf energy somewhere. In there. Yeah, cause that was. Something. Told you to. Bust. Yeah, it was her by the a bust. Gene, did I just get a yo? That's her voice edited out, but, it's just funny. When I think back at that time, I was like, dude, I was really in a bag back then. I was really, I had a lot of testosterone going, you know? Yeah. Oh, so you're pushing for a boy? No, no. Dude, I yeah, I was, I thought my whole life I was going to have a boy. I never once in my entire 30 years of being alive thought about having a girl just like, you know, never thought about it. Yeah. And I it was because I was such an athlete, and I. And it never worked out for me. And I really feel like in a different timeline I could be playing, you know, Canada football or basketball and fuckin Israel or something like that, you know what I'm saying? There's a lot of ways athletes end up being professionals. But I thought to myself, I'll really pass this knowledge down to my kid, because if my parents could have taught me what I know when I was like in elementary school, no problem, I'd be in the league. But I just didn't know. That's what it. Takes nowadays, pretty much. Well, yeah, that's you're a fucking phenom. And even then you still need the direction. For sure, dude. Like, just if they had me eating right and doing footwork like something like, you know what I'm saying? I would be able to slice like half races. Yeah. You know, they push. Me to compete. You know what I'm saying? That was good. They always pushed me to compete. Here in soccer and shit. For sure. Like always was like, let's go Skippy. Shout out to your dad because I know you always talk about your dad also. Yeah, yeah. He's. Fire! John. Fire! Dad got them a lantern. He doesn't need to ask that man. One day I think I'm going to ask that man to. To be the officiant or the whatever it is. Yeah. At the wedding. Oh. The official he's there, bro. So now we got a wedding happening over. There, bro. Fuck, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I graduated college, and here we go. Oh, go everyone, these guys are dropping the bombs on it. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. I think we need to be interviewing you guys. Live real life is going crazy, right? Sometimes in the studio, and it's not that I want to open up these boxes with you guys, but it's just like I'm so channeled and I'm like, I don't want to deviate from my channel right now. I just want to like. And then when we finish recording, I'm always white. Like, if we record or we perform, I'm always dead afterwards. And it's just hard to even fucking fire. Neurons like to think at all. And I'm just trying to honest, sometimes I'm trying to slide out of there so I can go like sit down for a little bit and just. Be like, yeah, oh. That was some shit. I don't know what that is. You know what I'm saying? It takes a lot because you're, you're behind the bike. You're on the pressure. Or, like, maybe that's what it is, right? I feel like I get like that too, though, in my sessions, I especially production like, afterwards that sometimes I feel like I've been running, you know? I mean, just because for me. Yeah. The month the wheels are turning, the, you know, just get burned out. And for me, like, I'm always I feel like my process, I always feel like I'm, like, trying to think of three steps ahead before where, you know what I mean? What where we're at or whatever. And I think that is what gets me exhaust personally. But I definitely know, you know, when the wheels are turning, when you're when you're thinking, trying to trying to you create. I mean, it's definitely it can definitely take a toll, you know. Yeah. Yeah. I think especially. As the artists, the artists, point of it because, you know, you got to put the emotion in it too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to have the performance. Yeah. So sometimes I do creative exercises when I'm not in the studio just to like, I think that they're important. I think that they help a lot. Just like, it's almost like my brain's ability to think of something, quote unquote creative is kind of like a muscle. And if I just, like, keep doing it a little bit, then it's easier for me to just wiggle into that like, oh, they didn't see that coming or like, you wouldn't expect that. But it's funny, right? Like I can jump into that faster if I keep it active. But when I go into the studio with you guys that I'm really trying to showcase that muscle and I'm trying to like kind of max it out a little bit. I think that like being in that space of like, come on, be fresh, be original, be fresh, do something new. When I, when I. And there's a lot of pressure because I think my reputation is at stake while I'm doing that. Like my almost like my value is based on my capacity to do this if I want to be successful, you know. But a little bit of pressure. Sometimes. But I accept it because pressure makes diamonds sometimes. No. Yeah, yeah. But regardless, the pressure combined with the creative muscle going off and then the performance aspect, because also when you're in the studio, I'm performing for you and and you like, you guys never heard these bars. And if I walk in there and they're weak, it's not going to hey, but if I walk in there and I'm like. Boom. And I just drop it, you know what I'm saying? Everyone in the studio is like, oh my. God, that's it, that's it. Let's see, shoot a video. Don't beat yourself up because sometimes it's it's organically created. So it takes you being in there. It takes you being in the, yeah, in the booth. But like, look at the team you got around you every time you're in the booth. Just. It's right there. I'm right there. Our ass is right there. And, like, look, we're letting you do your thing, and then look what comes out. Yeah, pressure makes time. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? There's an aspect to where I feel like when we're in the studio, we're paying money for the studio time. So we have to, like, try to maybe maximize our efficiency in the studio. So I don't want to go in there and just be like, Colin, let me fuckin think for a little bit, you know what I'm saying? So as the studio time goes on, the pressure goes higher and higher. If we haven't been putting output out because I'm like, fuck, dude, you can't spend $120 doing nothing, you know what I'm saying? Which is like fucking scrap it all. But yeah, you got it. Well, but I think that one. Of the best verses I've read that. You have is really fucking. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the nature of the beast. But to say that though was the thing about organic shit is like what I was in the studio with you and we were trying to write pop pop. Okay. And we had came up with the beat and dude, I was just struggling like, I mean, I thought I was gonna walk in and just make a song. It's cool. Whatever. We'll come up with the hook. It's tight. Not thinking of anything. And you're sitting there like with a notepad and paper talking to me about, let's just fucking come on. This song feels like drinking to me, you know what I'm saying? I'd say something about drinking, and I don't rap about drinking much, but it's the hook. Just fucking. Come on. Something. And I'm like, I gotta make it deeper than that. Come on, what are we doing? And then we doing here. We come up with pop pop bottles now faded, faded money on my line. So be patient. And then, then I come back to write that verse a different studio session. And I can't think of shit, dude. Like nothing. We spend an hour together and in the last five minutes I think of what's the first line of that song is pop that bottle. Can you let that cork fly? And then the rest of the whole song is different from that. Like it's almost like I say boom, boom, boom, and then I just go down the rabbit hole afterwards. Yeah, but all we came up with in that whole hour was just that first little part, and I had to leave and be like, fuck, bro, I guess sometimes, sometimes this is what happens, you know? Well. It's interesting to hear to hear that side. I feel like for me, like, I mean, because I feel like when we're locked in, we're locked into the screen, right? And seeing, okay, what what we're thinking about like frequencies or what do I gotta cut or what can I add here, the reverb or what effects? And I like that you're always working because it does take pressure off of me because I'm like, he's doing shit the whole time. I'm over here trying to figure out my shit. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. But it's interesting to hear that. Do you feel like that? I don't know, it's. Very interesting because the story you told me is like. Like because, like, a lot of people don't know this, like, ace is the one that kind of really taught me, a lot of stuff, you know? Hey, everyone. Praises! Oh, stop. Oh, yeah. I want to get this. You know, he's the one that taught me, you know, you know, if you get frustrated in there, like, guess what? You're not alone. You know, like, back in the day, like, you know, you know, like, we would start some. We couldn't get that next lyric or that man. Oh, my God, the studio says it's got badass because we wrote the badass beat. You know, ace starts bringing out, you know, the phone or, you know, like, y'all dealt with that, too. And like, you know, that reflects from from me, learned from him. That was true service in my mind when I was thinking about, like, me being a, like a patron at your studio, and then you were like, nah, just come out, bro. Just like, hold on, let's if I can just sit here and think for a second and like. That's what it's cool, that's cool. And then I feel like your your. Vibe, that thing. About it now I. Yeah, that's my trick. Yeah. Because that's my tool. We did a few albums together. Right. Like we did song after song, just like that. Just like. Yeah, just like as an artist. Yeah. And so. That's right. Yeah, yeah. A part of my, a lot of my engineering man was, was helped from, you know, you showed me the guidance you showed me, man. Oh, man. That's I appreciate that. Because, like, I was in a lot of studios, before I met you, but no one was ever a producer, sir. You feel me? What do you mean? No. Like no one ever, like, took your song to the next level. They recorded you. They just. Recorded me. Yeah, we. You know, there was no insight drill the mic. Yeah. You know, like like, what's your feedback? Oh, yeah, we got it, you know. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. You know, and we'd ask for. Auto-Tune and then shit that would come back was wild. And then they'd be like, dope, right? We'd be like. No, what the fuck? And then we tried to work on it. Not dope. Yeah, no. Aziza fucking lays it down, plays it back for you. You're like. Dude, what the hell? He's like, live with the sauce on it. Oh, shit, I didn't. I didn't know that the engineers are actually. Because when we, when, before we started working, I had asked a couple people, you know, about, engineering to help me out at my spot, and then, me and it got together. But I didn't know that if you go to engineering school that they actually teach you the engineers not to say anything to the artists, like they're taught not. Yeah. I if as an engineer, you don't tell them, you know, don't give them any feedback. And so that might be the reason why I think as, as time has gone on, the producer has kind of taken that on another role, that engineer role. So the producers are the ones that usually like back in the day, I feel like, you know, you always had the the guy sitting at the board who was quiet. If you look at videos from back in the day, then you had another guy behind the back and that was a producer saying, okay, do it like this, do it like that. Yeah. So everybody kind of director. Yeah, almost like a director. Exactly. Almost like a director. And I think I've. Seen that in videos. Yeah, yeah. And so I think now as, as you know, technology is involved and everything's changed. And I think the producer has more of a role now. Like, I mean, even even to where the, you know, like you said, the writing, like, you know, just to give ideas. I mean, you know, you're engineering. Yeah. You're engineering, vocal production. You're doing your, you know what I mean? You're producing the, the tracks. So, you know, it's good service. Yeah. Which is undeniable wherever it's at, dude. Like, if you can do more for people, it's always appreciated. Yeah. Like the main thing, three things that I learned working with ace was don't ever leave the chair. Right. What do you mean? Like, don't ever leave the chair. Tell me when ace leaves the chair. He stays. Where is the place? Oh, yeah, that's the case. Everyone usually plays. The mix for us and goes. People. I guess so, yeah. Like, you know. You know what I mean, though, like like, hey, you getting paid? You know, say the chair. And then the other thing is the vibe. You taught me how to work with people. And then he taught me how to work fast, because guess what? You can't be figuring out your drums snare with, the time running and the client just sitting there like, dude, all the creativity went out the roof. A sorry, like you showed me, bro. Like like, okay, already have your pack ready. You know, have your, like, sound ready to go. Make it hot. You know what I mean? Wow. That is. Hey, I appreciate that. Oh, man. This bro, it's it's. Not even you know. You know this, bro. Come on man, like, you know, you took me under your wing like fucking. Although when you say to took you under his wing, what do you mean? Yeah. So I want to circle I think we you talked about it briefly before we had to take a break, but I think we're going to circle right back to what you wanted to talk about. About. Well, this. Well, we first, we first met, because somebody wanted a song for the chicks. So who do they call Nick? Cher for the chicks. That was word on the street. We wanted a girl called. They wanted, And it was. It was good. You weren't. You were called Dallas Mack. So it was all right? Yeah. No way. That was Mack. That's my. That's another story. Yeah. Something else is intriguing, right? Yeah, yeah. You see, it's not like it was. Did you ever write? Did you. Have you. Ever rap just like on a mic, like perform rap. As Dallas. Mack? Yeah, that's my girl. I haven't, but that would be the name that we did. Okay. There was a Dallas something that was in the local scene around the time I saw a Dallas. He had longer hair. I thought maybe I caught you. You ain't heard none. That was. I was like, yo, have they. Had some of your some of the stuff that we. Never, bro, you haven't heard me. You never heard. Yeah, they know me. They only know me as the engineer producer. That. God. Is that all right? I've heard, like. A bunch, actually, he's clearly an artist. Yeah. But. But, like, just like, long story short, me and ace, we meet and, like, guess what? I'm already hearing the name, you know, but, like, I'm picture and like and, like, not that you're not a superstar or some of that, but I picture this, like, glory. God, you know, like Michael Jackson's. Why are you fucking coronated? Hey, just so you know, tonight the sessions with, you know. So. Yeah. So like this probably like, man, we're probably talking like 2010, bro. Well I. Know right. It had to have. Been, it had to. Yeah it had to be thinking about it. So the same effect ten years later when we met you know. But like. It's amazing. It's I mean. I walk in and like like like we're not naming the artist names are not like that, but like they were already like working with a so like they knew ace could really turn anything into gold. Right. So they're just going to they're like though they're like, you know what I you whip it up, bro. I mean, and I just got it. I did I did my little thing on the guitar and like the click and to me it felt like ace, didn't work with a musician a while. Right? Like, it felt like he was just working with a lot of rappers, right? Like like the typical, like, right now. That's not what I think of ace. Now. I feel like you're ace with the music, with the instruments particularly. Oh yeah. Dude. But maybe. But I did you UK okay. That's not that's not right. Yeah, yeah. But yeah I think back then it was mostly it was mostly rap. For that time. Like it's just the vibe that I got. Yeah. But like we hit it off guys, you know. So you were an artist at the time. Are like he was for you. Yeah. I was like, I. Was doing a feature for, a rap group. Got it. And yo, the next day we booked a session and we started working on Music therapy, volume one. Doing your own thing. And, like, not the features of doing your own thing. Oh, man. I play the. I play the piano and sang. Ace did the rest. And like, that's where my life went for the next eight years after that damn doing. Show, performing. I mean, yeah, it's a whole nine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we did it in like we had some I like the first album was more like the songs I was sitting on for a long time. I mean, it broke up my bad two because like, my band was like, why are you writing all this great music with, like, sold? So we're not involved, you know? And I'm like. Yeah, I should know. No problems. Hey, for how? No, no. Okay. Not the. Problem. No. Yeah. Sorry, but but. But. But the problem was that. Hey. My wings, I need this. I need to spread my wings. Spread them and spread eagle. And they weren't spreading with the band. They were. They were keeping me down. But then I imagine being a producer, I. Have a question about. That, that that that gives you straight fucking energy vibe and just like let you like, dude, I've like ace some of the songs we wrote, I literally played one note on the keys. Okay, so I'm still guys, but I. Feel really I feel like a were like that. And then ace wrote around that and we made songs. You know, here's. The thing with I feel like you, like you said, the producer director, it's almost like a director. I feel like when you have a band, you you have to have a director, a producer, somebody. That's because these guys are. Yeah, these guys are. So they're so talented in their own way. They know there's something there. They're their instruments. Yeah. And if you ask each one individually, they're going to give you 40 versions of a of a guitar lick which you only need one. And so somebody has to go and say, you know, it just simple or yeah, we'll do a little bit more right here. Somebody has to say that because at the end of the day, when you talk about the money thing, like, you know, you, you're, you're paying hourly or whatever. It might be time to. It's yeah, it's everybody's time and it's everybody's money. And so that's when you come across issues. I mean you were telling me the story about last week where it was like there was some personality issues with the whole band, and you have to deal with all the personalities and, You know, it comes up in the studio when they're under pressure. Yeah. So I imagine the pressure that you thought you felt and now imagine, oh, man, being a team, being. Part of it. I shared it with you at times five. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Having people being part of a team is hard. It's yeah, it's a complex thing to deal with. But also I agree that it just seems to me with groups there's it's somebody has to be saying like, let's say someone has to be the director. Yeah. Because if there's one person that everyone else is on that we can all say, okay, we're going with that judgment right now, and we can evaluate that person's judgment later and maybe reelect someone to be the direction giver. But like, we need to be on someone because it's just too hard when everyone, like you say, especially if they're talented. Yeah. Like everybody just kind of wants to. They have their whole back they could go through. It's nice for someone to just be like presenting instruction or, direction is the thing. Yeah, I imagine I mean, even even football teams, like, imagine I mean, there's so much talent with, with the, with teams or basketball whatever. Right? I notice it a lot. Yeah. And imagine if everybody was doing their own thing. I mean, it would just. Exactly. If it was playing pick up out there. Yeah. Having a coach. That's a does it feel like a all star team does it right here right. Now. Did this is a powerhouse. Power can take over the city. Take power. Oh brother. Yeah yeah. We honestly, I well, I don't know why we haven't blown up yet. I've, I mean. I yeah, yeah, I mean, real. Just the process. I'm just in the process. What are, What is it? What manifestation? Manifest manifestation. Hey, would you like to talk a real quick, like, can, like I have one question. Can you describe, like, like, because we want to know where you started. What made ace one? Ace one. Why is your name ace one? I mean, other than me. You know, how much time do we have? Can we get a background story of just like. Yeah. What got you to. Yeah. To your greatness. Please. Well, I, well, I appreciate that. That's that's a the big, big shoes to fill there. You know, be the greatness. But you know. I have it all love. Yeah. No. You're awesome I started I started actually, my mom was a teacher in San Marcos. And so she, she wanted to. I have, it was me and my middle brother. At the time, it was only the two of us, and, my mom played piano and my dad played guitar, so I came from a music background. And so they were always. Yeah, they were. She was a teacher. My mom was a teacher. So she really, like, wanted me to get to practice. So I'm like. She started, she started me at, like, three years old. I mean. She has a. And you. No, that's what you have to do, prodigy. I guess so, but it was just. It was like I was playing brass band once. I've heard the my. My my dad is. I'm a fucking recorder, bro. Like I do to. My dad said, if you're trying to start learning piano by like age ten, you're too late even at age. And if you want to be nasty, if you want to be great, truly great at being the piano, you have to start at like 4 or 5 years old or it's not going to happen for you. That's interesting. I, I didn't know, I don't know, you. Were three. I was three. Yeah. And then you could be Mozart. Mozart. You're in line with that shit. Yeah. And then after that, I got older and, I got, there was a contest when I was in fifth grade. It was a it was a, a drug free contest for for for the first it was for the district. And then, first, it was a contest for the district, like to see, you know, when everybody can submit. I think that was around the time of, like, La Bamba. Like, you know, la la la La Bamba. When we came out. And so my dad able to. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. We just, we, I just showed my age like with a song. Yeah yeah yeah with you. Yeah yeah. No the movie, the movie La Bamba. What is that. The movie. Oh what is that? You better edit that out if you haven't cut. That's I. I think it's important to. Have a C word on here. No I want to have like. A before you do your first child watch La Bamba because you my David daughter Bob. Yeah. You got to see it. You got it. It's it's a classic. It's it. Yeah. It really is like Bob. Okay. Yeah. But anyway. Anyway. So so yeah, my dad, my dad do the song. So we played the song and I did a drug free song. We we entered in a contest. It was hot at the time and. Yeah. And yeah, I just it was a drug free song, but it was to the, to. The. Alabama song. Right. And so it wasn't rapping. About. Not. Yeah. Yeah. Was drugs. Yeah. About you know, do you. Remember any of the. Bars I had. No. Yeah. It was have any footage of that. I mean probably somewhere, but I go, hey, do. You want a sample that. Let's sell it and let's get rich. Oh, no. No, it's. You should sample, dude. You should sample that at city. It is. Halfway there. Let's take that. Let's go do this every day. No, I'm just saying no, but yeah. That's right, that's right. And then after that, yeah, I just so after that I won first place in district in second place and in the state of Texas and so always had the sauce. Yeah. So after that, yeah, I was, I was in sixth grade Paris gave. You the sauce. Yeah. They definitely yeah they were, they were using. It to the. Sauce were marinated. Yeah I feel very lucky man. The whole my whole journey has. I feel like I'm been. Tailor been very. Yeah. Very, very fortunate. You know. Specific to you. Yeah. And so then, after that, I started performing as an artist. I doing drug free. So because it won first place in the district, second place in the state that my mom was a teacher. So she was like, you know what? Let's let's perform at the school that I teach at and just do a couple more songs. And, you know, we can do an eight, a, B lunch. And after that I started doing more and more and more. I think it was, I guess, to where the point where I was in high school already still doing it and, yeah. And so then I was when I graduate, I think when I graduated, I started my own, it was called Latin Swing as a group, and I, and I was singing, I was a swing swing Away. That was the name of the group. And now right there, I had a Latin. Slash. That's fired. On his. Face. I should have brought my teacher. I had I would have like, like just to interrupt. Like you had the source already there. Yeah. Let's let's. Is the name this your Champ Car? That's all I know is dubs, dude. And so I, so I was an I always wanted to be an artist. That was my dream. You know what I mean? I as I got older, that's that's awesome. Yeah. I wanted to be an artist. And so we started doing shows. I had a management in Austin. We started doing shows regionally. There wasn't anything, you know, but we were trying to get out there. And as we were doing shows, there were we were performing with other artists and the other artists started asking who was doing the music, and I was doing all the music for the group, you know? So my manager was like, oh, these guys want to do, I want you to do some music. You know, their music for them, like you're doing it for y'all. So it kind of evolved like that. I started doing music for I remember one one group, the Cowboys, I think they were called, and then it was another and it was another and it was another. And I just kept doing tracks for the other artists to where it started to feel like. When you. Say a regular, like a job for me and. I, when you say doing tracks, what do you mean? Like doing their songs? So like, they, they liked our songs, how we were performing and what we were doing that they started inquiring for me to do their, their music. So they mean like. I'm writing their music for this? No, no. Like producing their music. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So writing. So where did the point come to where you were able to write or like, write all that, like like where did that like I want to know where that music gap came, where you picked up the keyboard. You were to say, you know, like, was that just all through that time? I think, yeah, it was through that. It was through that time. I'm trying to remember because like. Like what inspired you to, I mean, was it just the your parents. Or. Oh, to do the original music? Well, yeah. How did you learn all that? I just, I think as I got older, well, I wanted to be a guitar player. I was gonna say that early. I felt like the, the cool guys with guitar players, you know, I was like, I want to be in the cool guy, you know? And my singing. Lessons. And, yeah, my dad would kind of show me here and there. And then I did start taking lessons when I was still living at home. And then, but my dad was like, knew about computers. He was he was a he was, like an accountant, for hospital. And he was like, you know, if you get into keyboards, you're going to be able to play every instrument, not just guitar, but everything. Yeah. He would. Yeah. So that was that was a big. And that's what you do right. Yeah. And that's. Yeah. And that's when. And so I was. Who it was are the two instruments that are like the most like universally spread. Yeah I, I feel like I always tell people piano. Piano always is a roadmap to music. If you look at a piano, it's literally any instrument, anything. That's what I mean. Yeah. Like it's a roadmap to, to every instrument in the world from your from singing to any answer me you can take. Notes and keys. You understand. You can see it in black and white literally. Yeah. It's always like yeah. Oh I guess I'll jump in bar. Sorry. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. You got you, have you inspired with the. No. It's incredible. You got me inspired with that story. Oh really? Yeah. So after that I just I was doing that. So I was doing production for these artists and we stopped performing Latin swing stopped performing, and I was. I had moved to San Marcus. Got a little, little place in San Marcus. Yeah. And I was just doing tracks for these guys that we were performing with. Yeah. And, then I got a friend of mine and here in San Antonio, was like, hey, I want you to meet this guy. He's he's named Steve Chavez before 98.5 here in San Antonio. There was another station, a hip hop station called 1 or 2.7. They played dance, and, you I'm sure you remember that. You remember the seven dance. I get 102701I don't know what that's like. I've never. Lived here for ten. Years. I don't even think that I don't even that might have been before. We talking about. 1 or 2 points? I just don't know what that's like culturally, because a lot of people would be like, you. Radio station, just. Anything because I'm doing my radio station, I remember is like kiss FM and Austin, but we move so much that there's a lot of shit that people are like, do you remember when this was a thing? And I'm just like, I never will, I never will remember that thing, you know, I'm but granted. I feel like radio was it was different back then, like, I think I don't think. It was the people are listening to see. Yeah, it was more that was the way that was your outlet. That was radio was the. Yeah. There was no. Yeah. There was no. Yeah. There was no like like I like the way it is now. Yeah. There was no Spotify, there was no stream and none of that. And I feel like it's awesome the way things are now for the artists, because now you have because in radio there's a lot of politics without going into too much detail, but but in but now it's like you can I mean, look at you guys. I mean, you know, shout out to you guys like you guys are doing this on and you do the podcast and you can you the world is your platform. You, you know, you don't have. There's no point in saying that there's a line for that. There's. Yeah. Thank God. Yeah. That's what I said. Because when I was a kid that was that there was a limiter on like, you can't do that because there's not an outlet for it. No one's going to listen to it like. But guess what? Back then we could sell CDs. And that was the glory days. That was great. So what? Yeah, that was a great. What do you mean, what's what's I see so. I was so I was so my turn now. Come back this way. Yeah. I would sell like ten cities a day. And that's much for us. To who? Yeah. To who. Everybody was that. That's how the artists. Would do it, okay? They would make their bread. They make. Their own. You know, people in your days, the city days. That was when the artist was making the money. If you could sell your own CDs. Man, I agree that people that streaming makes more like CDs make more money than streams. That for sure, for. But yeah, for sure having to sell. I mean, I've heard a bunch of stories about people selling CDs at the mall, selling CDs at the trunk of the trunk, you know? Yeah, you're making money like that. Sounds like a personal hell. It's not what you think. It's not what you think. Yeah, not. No, not that guy. You're not that guy on the Vegas strip. Like. Like real desperate. I might as well. I don't know that you got blessed with me. I don't think. So. So like that. That. Oh, that. Like like. Think about it like this. How many people do you know what to eat tonight? How many people do you know, do I know? And those are. The people that. You're. So those are. The people that we would sell CDs to first. Yeah yeah, yeah, I get it. I think that's what like like, yo, man, it was like hotcakes. Like. But like, you had to be a hustler though, too. Okay. But. And like, I worked at H-e-b, so, like, I was selling to the clients. I like to the customers, of course. Yeah. I'm like, yo, you heard my city. Like, you know, this. Is that like. No, I was just going to say, like, even to that point, like, I remember that a lot of the artists would talk about how the, the, their, the, the even people that they didn't, they had never heard of them just by seeing them and seeing that this is their product. Oh, and they put two and two together. What I'm going to get this like it's something tangible that they can hold on to. And you know, that's a signature and they will still want that. That's why that's why that's what t shirts are. The other move. Now I think people all the time that they're like in this moment right now, I would support you if there was a way, if there was an avenue for me to bet to, like, donate to your business right here, right now. I would do it, but. And I'm like, no, like, you're good. Thank you. Like, you can follow us on Instagram or whatever, but if I had a CD, I know it's a sale, you know what I'm saying? It's not even because it's just because that moment met some. People with the heart. And then. Yeah, people. Want something to believe in, you know what I'm saying? People want to see somebody pursuing their legacy. You know what? I really could see? Some passion. Vinyls. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Right. The branding is. Insane. 38 vinyls. Hey, hey, guess what? You sell that for your pop. You know what I'm saying? Hey, yo, you want this? You sell that 45. What do you pop? Easy. I mean. I guess I give it six months. Yeah, it's going to be asking for y'all's autograph. I'll do that. I'll be honest. It's going to need that. Hey, man. I didn't do that for you. I ain't never gonna be too big for y'all, man. Hey, even. Agree with what you're saying I do. I do that record. I'm just going to send them on it. I'm joking. You know NASA, bro, I. Love that joke. I, like you said we were joking, so that's why. Pushing the. Envelope. So, said, either, we'll be asking for your CD or, we'll we see record. I'm joking. I see y'all caught. I hope we still see y'all record. Yeah. I did I have a life goal of, like, hiring you guys full time. I have a goal of being like, yeah, we're going to Seattle, and you guys come with us. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's the kind of shit I like to get used to. Yeah. I like where people block you out for like a couple months or something. Like when I was telling you earlier. Yeah. One of the big things I really want to do, and, you know, it's a dream of mine, but I want to get an Airbnb like they always see. You won't see it on Instagram. This is your sign to get an Airbnb with for your friends for a week and make an album. But dude, I've just heard, you know, Bryson Tiller. Hey, album. What's it called? Tila. Yeah, I can name the songs off of it. It's, it's coming, but it's on top of my tongue. Sorry. Not sorry. Bryson Taylor's greatest piece of work. Anyways, it was like a. Hey, it's a time stamp. It's a classic. Like, it's an anthem that that capsule traps. Cool. Yeah, that was cool. And then I tell the story about how he was just, like, at a point in his career where he's like, I gotta, I gotta go. It's time to go. Like, I need to make an album. It's got to happen for me. And he rented out an Airbnb for a week and then brought producers in and he made trap all in a week. Oh, wow. I think there's something to like the way an album has to be thematic and motive more typical. Or that's not a word, but motive heavy. If you're in one state of mind for a week with the same people cultivating this vibe and being like, this is what we're doing, this is what we're doing, you can make something that does have that distinguished branding and marketability as its own project that stands out with its own flavor. You know, that's. Something to think about. Dude. You know, next time I get to. I start booking like that. Hey, you know what? You want to book me? You got to book me a week in the Bahamas. You know. What? Yeah, for an Airbnb, right? I'll bring you. I'll bring up a gear. The wheels are turning later. Hey. Guess what? Hey, hey, you want that next big hit? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. Was Bahama. Suit because you. Got to Spain or something, bro. The fucking balls. I feel like I could get really inspired. Yeah, yeah, as long as they got wifey. Yeah. That's a that's a platinum package. Dude, I'm. Not even kidding. This is literally my dream. So hopefully we go on the run, right? The first album pops, we're doing great. We spent touring for like nine months and then summer we take the week off again, go to Madrid, then the next one we go to Italy and the next one we go to Beaumont, which make an album. And every country bro. That's it. We just got a pop and then we're fucking hoping you know. Yeah. Yeah that would be fucking amazing. That would be crazy. That's how I've integrated my desire to travel with my desire to have a career is to do it like that, you know. Yeah. You know like maybe even think smaller. Like maybe think like, can you like. The doubt starts. We start in canyon, like, you. Know, so. So it's like a canyon lake, little cabin in there. You're the go to bosses manner. Where can you, where could you get like, you know, I see sense in that because, like, where can you get distracted? You know, like, if you're in the woods, like, you know, like. Yeah, but like, like, I think the only way that would work if, like, if you had all the, supplies on you, you know, like. Yeah. So nobody had to leave or. Oh, no reason to leave. They leave. Yeah. You know what I want to do next? But but the only key. Yeah. Yeah. It's it. I hate to sound like that, but I guess that's where I sound, but like. Yeah, you know, now that was hyperbole. I mean, I think. A desired effect would be when, where, you. Know, I, I feel like we're. Eating meals together and we're have a drink and wine after dinner, and we're really, like, bonding and connecting, you know what I'm saying? I think then when I think it'd be cool to have like, we're recording at 12 at noon tomorrow. Whatever you want to do tomorrow morning, we're going to go work out if you guys want to come with us, that's cool. But at noon, we're going to lock in and we're going to record for like three hours. And then. But having that wine at dinner the night before and having that conversation and we're all just in that similar headspace, I think that's part of the magic that can happen in that scenario. I totally see. That, that that makes a lot of sense. Yeah. If you just designate some some time like that spending that, you know, the energies with the same people, you know what I mean? Right. And we get on not every session, but sometimes we get on a roll where we're just like, we're good that we just finished that shit. Let's keep going. Like, I'm hot right now. Let's just keep it open. Maybe knock out three songs. Yeah. And when you think about an album, there's moments where, like, you know, you get an interlude and then those three songs back to back are like, I can think of because the Internet by Childish Gambino, the one where he goes on fly to the navigator and the songs around that song. I remember hearing that album just being fucking demolished emotionally because it was so artistic. Yeah. And so I think that there's because an album, would you agree or disagree that an album's like, a different kind of medium than like singles, EP's, three tracks, like, it almost has to have like a theme to it is what I'm trying to point at. There's got to be something that it's trying to say throughout the whole album, otherwise it doesn't quite work. I don't think. Yeah, yeah, I think that comes after the fact. I think that that that you just set out to do songs and then and then the theme will come as you're doing in, in my experience. You know what I mean? I don't think just to set out and do the, in the beginning, like, hey, we're going to this is going to be the theme of it. I think that's the wrong approach only because you never know. Creative what you're going to be inspired, be inspired by, or whatever the case may be. So I almost feel like that's why a lot of, a lot of people record, like, I mean, a bunch of songs, and then they'll start deciding, okay, this is going to be this is like a love album or this is like, you know, this is this is I'm on it album or whatever. Like, you know what I mean? So, so it's almost like it's almost like the theme writes itself for the album. If you're just like, genuinely captures like true artistic expression in the moment and it's like, make do that a whole bunch of times, and then after you've done that 20 times, you take the ten best or the 12 best, and you want to see what's where you want to go with it. Yeah, I think ideally that's that's how because these guys, man, they, they record a lot of songs with the, with the majors. I mean a lot of songs. Really. Yeah. How many. So A month. How many a month? And what does it look like you're sitting down there going in every day like a job. They're clocking in the studio. Not necessarily clocking in like. Well, actually, I know some that they do, but, for the most part, most of them don't. I mean, it's the music life, you know? Yeah, yeah. See, you don't need to. Everybody kind of come, but, Yeah, I don't even know. I could even tell you, like, in a in a month's time. Like, I just feel like. I mean, I've seen, like, at least 50 songs. 40 to 50 songs for an album. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Just. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Record 70. Oh, yeah. They got so many. Yeah. So I mean that's cool. But so dwindle it down to 12. And get lay down to 12. You know like gets a little like you can probably agree with this space. Like sometimes the clients get a little too, focus on them maybe. Like on something. Yeah. It's where they keep right in. Like to where they think they gotta outdo the next album and, you know, like, it's like, hey, you know, a lot of these songs, you know, we might be spinning our wheels like. Yeah. Oh, man, I've always, I've always said that I'm always other. That's the worst. Because. And I feel like what happens, especially with the major label, situations, is that once a song works, the, the, the suits of the, of the label are like, we need another one like that. And so it gets in the I almost I need it because every time I see the artists struggling because then they're mine, they're, they're like, okay, this is not good enough. It's. And then they start singing. Have you ever heard that? Have you ever seen the, the study where they said, if you have a multiple choice question. Right. Like you remember, I think we've talked about that your gut, your first answer is usually the right one. When an artist starts questioning and doing overt stuff, that's never good. And that I hate to say it not all the time, but I've there's been several times with where majors have it and it they're not intentionally doing it. They want they're looking at the business side but the artists you almost got to remember, like I've even had the conversation with the artists like bro, remember how you got here? Yeah. Like, you know what I mean? I lost, yeah, because of trying to live that fucking same the pressure of that one track. But guess what? They recorded it like live in the free. Like how like live like life serve naturally. Yeah. That's the thing is naturally you can't. It's got to. If you ever heard the, the it's in physics where they say an observed object acts differently than an unobserved object, like if you have a microphone or not a microphone like so, and you're looking at like, particles. Yeah. Then like when you look at the light particle, if you're observing it, it travels at differently as a wave than if you were to just leave a camera on it running and not be like observing it. It travels literally differently. And so, it's so weird, my. Me and other people that I know, not just me, but like, smart people, like, they use that. Oh, you smart guys. Not me, not me. I'm. I'm saying that other smart people like people that I would actually trust. Right? They say that that's evidence to suggest that, like, for instance, when you're making something naturally versus if there's a bunch of constraints on you and someone's watching you, the. People that. Literally going to be different. Wow. Yeah. Like that. That's just science. Dog. You know what I'm saying. That's yeah positive vibes and yeah like, you know I've seen it before where an artist can almost crumble in the at the booth or, you know, like they just give up, you know, and, you know, but sometimes with the if they could get over that, that's what the best part happens. Yeah. Like you got to get over that hump. I guess it's called or something. Yeah. Yeah. I'm, I'm a big believer in the vibes too. In the studio. Like I, I've had some sessions where I think sometimes when you have a big as you start doing well as artists, you know that your posse gets a little bit bigger, right? So the posse starts coming later on. These guys, everybody start and then the posse wants to kind of be like, save that one thing so that they can. It's almost like, oh yeah, I contributed. They have their opinion and they have their opinion and it's just like. Oh. Validate their reason for being though. Here we go again. Like, bro, no bro. Like oh yeah. Every group good. Like that's more than four guys. Has that one guy that feel like that doesn't really do that much. But guess what? He has the most opinion. And that's exactly what he does. Yeah. And and it's and so whenever so like for me like, like about a month ago there was a group I was and and we were working and I, I don't know, it was just a vibe, like it was just that one guy was like, well, I don't know, I think maybe, and, oh, that just threw me off. I was like, wait, wait, what was I going to do? I completely forgot what. I was going to do right now. But you say. That, you know, every band, these like every band for some reason, these that guy for some reason. But like, that's the worst for our position because we're, we're so dialed in, locked in and then like, we, we know the next move and that person say, well, I know I'm kind of sick. It's like, dude, why do you have why didn't you. Because you need, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So so yeah. It's it's it's tough. The vibe has to be. Yeah. Vibe has to be right in the studio. I feel like that's so tough. Yeah. That's that's the. That's the topic of that positivity. Yeah. Because for sure. Yeah. No lie. And like I told this before to. All right. Because like you know when you, when you're an artist and I, I might someday be an artist again. You are an artist. All right? You know? Hey, now, people be that. But like, when you work with someone for for that many years, like, like, I'm just going to say some insight, like, you get spoiled. You know what I mean? Oh, really? Oh, yeah. What do you like, do you know, like like, before I, before I worked with you, I looked up an ad on, to, like, for a recording. See, I was literally in a chicken coop. A chicken. Coop. I'm talking. No, this is the worst of the worst. Guys, like like you could show up and have bad studio experiences. But when you show up to a guy's backyard and, like, like he lives in a trailer home and. But like, his, like, studio is outside and, like, there's chickens all around you. Oh, no. Like. Hey, really dampens the sound. I literally go, well. I, I've literally don't know. I've literally dealt with that bad of a situation. Yeah. Wow. You know, and like I think that helps my, engineering in my producing now too is because I've been with the ACL. And then I guess what I've been in the great studios to for, you know, a back of the day is 70, 75 bucks an hour was expensive. Yeah. That was like a. It was a premium for no. No no. Yeah. Yeah. But like guess what. Like you're dealing with like straight stone cold no expressions. They don't care about your music. Well environments you know. And like we've still like struggled through that. You know like like, you know like I've like had ten sessions with somebody where they're stone cold like that, but like that was your option, you know. Yeah. Yeah. And, so, so the vibe is everything in the studio and. Yeah. Yeah. The environment. I mean if y'all walked in we were just stone cold right ASAP like like, you know like imagine this because you got to, you know, it's. Got I probably still work with. Some, SB likes. To work with. You. You're crazy. So talented. Keep quiet over there. Yeah. You're not. Yeah. Yeah, like like like I've been. I've I've been through all the situations as an artist. So I think that's what helped my, like, experience of, like, dealing with clients. I would definitely agree with that. Yeah. Because you had you had you saw both sides. You saw the, the from the artist side and then going into the. Production and I would just say, well, I think that is to me that's most crucial. You know, if you're the way, if you're waiting for the engineer to figure it out on a beat. All right. Note, dude, you're wasting your time. You know what I mean? You, assess, produces an engineer. That's what he taught me. You know, you got to be fast on it, because guess what? The time is valuable. The clock is ticking. Time. Yeah. Hey, figure that shit out on your own. Like, nah, like like you got to know your sounds already to to begin with and all that, you know, like. You know. So I said there's. There's a lot, there's a lot. I guess they had the scenes, right? It's crazy. I wonder how people would feel like if they would see though, in a session. What was the craziest time you probably ever had? Man in the studio. That just period. Okay, crazy, crazy. Stuff I want to ask you want or. Studio. Is where we we had full access to the, American way. Did you shut that up? Oh, there we go, warrior dude. That was the first time they had come to say it. Yeah, they came to San Antonio. Bidets had full access to all that. Right? And, we're the only ones wasted yet, because everyone else is, like. Like health buffs. Yeah, yeah, everyone else is. You guys that there to compete there? Like, I want. To, like, get more, you. Know, like like literally they were filming me. They are like walking through the little, like, tunnels, like we're like, pick it up gates. You know, move it around you like. But we're over there critiquing. Oh, man, we could do that. We could totally do that. Us. All right. I think good times. Like, for me, like, that's that's what crazy is. Time I could say. Because, like, we were fucking wasted on the set of American Ninja Warrior, like. That's right, that's right. People consider that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's been a lot of times been. It's been a lot of times. Yeah. It's crazy. What was the studio? Yeah, it was like a while studio session you've had, negative or positive? Yeah. It was, It was. This is crazy. No names. Like. Okay. No names. Okay. Let me thank you for telling me that. Yeah. No. You're good. There was there was, there was one of the guys from a big, big group that that. I mean, if I was to say they would know one of the guys was like, he was in the booth. And this was the first time I worked with him, and he was just like, there was a bunch of people. There was after it was after their show here in San Antonio. And, he just he started doing this weird, like, being like two personalities, like talking to him. Like he would go over like he was in the booth, and I was looking him straight. You could see you. Yeah. Yeah, everybody could see him. And so he was like, oh yeah. Yeah. You know, I don't know. It smells like being and cheese in here. Yeah. Yeah it does smell like being in cheese I agree I feel the same. And so it was like kind of weird. Whoa. Yeah. To where people were like we were laughing at first, but then we're like wait, wait. But he wasn't. Laughing. He's he's, doing a bit right now. No, no he's not. Do it. We're trying to do a verse. Right. And so next thing you know, he starts hitting his head like. So. Far on my glass. Boom. On the on the clap, boom boom. And that's when everybody knew something was wrong. Right. Like really literally wrong. In the. Booth. I thought he was going to go through that freaking booth, bro. Like I was like, what is going on with that? So I got up and I opened the door. I see, bro, are you are you cool? Are you good? He's like, hold on, hold on. And that was the only thing he told me. He walked, he went on my back. Then I had my my suit on Paramount Motion Sonic. I don't remember that. Pair, by the way, he took out for like an hour. That San Antonio history. Motion. Sorry. Shout out. So yeah. Apparent bottle took off for like an hour and a half. Nobody could find him. Everybody's got worrying the promoters that were there like. But we have to go look for him. And it took like an hour and a half to find him. He just went. I don't know what was going on, but yeah. Bro, it was it was so weird. Like, I mean, the whole personality thing, I mean, there was it was a while he started doing the personality thing, but then when he started like hitting his head on the. Wall, man. Forget it. Just do that thing. Oh, never forget that. I'll never forget that. Yeah. The worst, the worst experience I had was. All right. So when RTE Studios first, popped up, we went social media route. As mentioned earlier, he never went social media out because it's a good reason. The cuckoos come out. Okay. So like like we were at the full promote the studio to social media or like Facebook whatever. It was like, hey, I'm, I'm young, you know, I'm like, okay, I need the money. All right. This guy comes in, I tell him to check the mic. The first thing he does, he does a horrible scream, right? Like, but like, not like the metal scream I'm used to. This was like a scream for, like you, my appendix just burst. Oh, no. Right. Real quick, before we get to doing the story, we only have a little bit of time left. Do you want to. Or I could delete some of the footage on these and make extended time a little bit. You want to take a quick little break? I don't want to end in a second. It's up to you. Oh, we take a break. It's my one only. Hey, I didn't go. I didn't go to, like, trust God. Trust me. That was my one only horror story. I don't want to relive it, so. Yeah, yeah, you got to say that story. Yeah. Just pause that for a second here. Yeah. Oh, no. I really want to know because we'll take a quick little break. I'll be right back. So like, let's just explore a whole mood. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like a different approach to, to naturally making the music like we talked about some to. Yeah. For sure. Yeah, it doesn't necessarily have to. I don't say I don't even I mean, even to that point, though, don't even think about a number. Like, just do more than just know that you're going to do you're going to kind of songs. Yeah. You're going to do songs and they're going to be cut down. But it it through the process. I feel like you're going to know, like, oh, this is this is the topic or this is, this is the name of the album or whatever. I've all kind of just kind of present itself to you. I feel like. You know, doing it that way. Yeah. I think when an artist does a song back to back, it all kind of becomes similar and makes its own, you know, title. They're influenced by what just happened. Yeah. To keep it consistent. Yeah. It's sort of like putting a title on it, you know. What I mean? I seriously. I think it naturally takes its course. There. We're back in this bingo though. You were telling us. We're back in the bing. What happened with your with your. Oh, worst client. Worst Glengarry Ross Kleiner. Okay, we just finished with yours bashing against the head. It's hard to think of a crazy person so fresh. On the mind. So? So like I said, it was a it was an internet, kind of setup where we were pushing a, you know, studio tab available, you know, for the public. And, of course, don't ever do that. But this animated kid came right at sound check the mic and, like, arty the beats weird. Like I had to pull the beat off of, like, MPX or whatever that is, you know what I mean? Instead of every three, like, he's like the actual video or something. Yeah. You know, and I had to turn it to that was. That was weird. But like the first my check was I was like, hey, okay, so check the mic. Let me know what's going on. And it was like a, it was like a, a gut crunching. I heard scream like, oh, how, like, have you bad. I'm just saying. Is that we're going to keep going, like, with the song, like it's it's like, yeah, this, that. Anyway, it was I try to record what's going on. It's like maybe 4 or 5 screams that like last though, like through like a couple of times. Describe the scream. Just a little more like now. Can you do an impression like pain? Like. I mean, like like I know a metal scream. A metal scream goes. You know. Yeah, there's varying degrees. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. The the metal scream sounds intentional. He's he's Bumblebee was more. Like he just let it all out and like, you know, like, maybe. What are we going for? I still want to know. Like, so the listener. So anyways, so, like the song did, and, the song did end up coming out the way that he, he wanted it. Right. Classic. So next thing you know, he starts, tagging me, on Facebook saying, this is the guy that did get my track, right? No, it's. Yeah. Slandering you. Yeah. And he was like, don't work with this guy because like blah blah, blah, blah, blah, blah that. But I mean like like to my good, you know, luck or, you know, just to his bad luck, you know, nobody like, everybody knew this guy was a, like, you know, a troll or a weirdo. Oh, guess what, guys? No, he was metal. Okay, so the story keeps going. Oh, no. Yeah. The story continues. So there's all the dispute, like, because obviously this guy's straight fucking mental. Like he really was. And then next thing you know, like, I take the bus to the studio one day, right? And like, I'm, like, walking because, like, there's a little part where I have to walk to the studio like, past, like, you know, that's the stuff. Yeah, well, he's coming back from my studio because he was like, like raging or like, like one of the like. He went to your studio, like living for you. Yes. And I happened to, like, come across him, like, you know, like why he's. Doing like it was in the car. No, he was on. Yeah. We're walking to. Foot. But like, he's like doing a race thing online. Like live. Oh, shit. So like, oh, I'm here. This motherfucker. Oh I show up on that and like, I'm just like, you know, like and like it finally came to a point where it was like, yo, you got to get the fuck out of here, you know what I'm saying? But like, but bottom line, that that was the worst session I was. Y'all crossed paths or like, we had, like, confront him, like on his live stream. Why? He was, like, doing something and. Making a video. I mean. That's that's. Like there's no evidence of, like, a lie. But he was definitely doing something like with this phone, like like I come around the corner, you know, my studio corner and and he's like, I'm here. And I'm like, I never got my track completely done, like, kind of bullshit or. Whatever or whatever he was saying. Yeah, I this, you know, combo jumbo. File. That's common. Like with other studios like that. Well, I just, you know, that's why I say, don't say open to the public because any weirdo like that. Yeah. You know, it's open. Yeah, I see what you're saying. Yeah. So do you. Did your digital stop doing, promotions on online or how did after that or. No. Oh, yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. Go ahead. Look up. Go first and last Facebook ad lead ever. I'd like to think was like like I'm I'm leaving a lot of stuff out of the story. Like, like imagine an anime kid, right? Like a skinny black sweatshirt. And, anime. Kid white AirPods in, long black hair. Anime kid, I'm with you. He cut his own. Hair ranger outfit. Okay. Literally. No, but like like market. Like I love the enemies. Yeah, I love all jacobazzi. But, like, this one was a disturbed one. Like, I was not a little disturbed, but. I love disturbed. I mean, who screams like and like that was the whole song. And then, like, I recorded the song, I realize there's nothing I could do here. So I just sent what I said and, you know, like, yeah, turn it on. And then he tried to, like, scrutinize me online or whatever, but like, it was okay because it didn't matter. Because he had no audience. Yeah. But you I. See that he just yelling in the wind. Yeah, yeah. But I was like. I feel like my story's not that great. I know it's great. It's crazy. It's a great story. It's a horror. Story. My guy over here, he can tell me for a while. Like when I first got there, he was like, hey, you know, I think we should advertise online. I'm like, I just never done this. I carried so hearing that, I feel I feel. The difference, right? He's like. I send it to. A lot of. Our clients, our word of mouth clients, all of our potential clients or word of mouth clients. And if we could to some degree curate who we're giving our business to, that might make it a lot better for the lifestyle. If you open, if you open up to the public. But like I was also like a young engineer at the time. So like you're trying to get whatever money you can fucking get off of me. What do you. You got to. Turn a profit. Yeah, but then you got to realize, okay, maybe my life's in jeopardy. Yeah, yeah, because this guy is worth to you. This guy's like an a claw my back or something, right? Yeah, but I, I know you, I know, ace, I know you have some other bad expense. Oh, there's been a few. Yeah, there's been a few. I just I don't I mean. Is there a moment, Nick, where you were going to, like, you were like, you're about to have to confront this person coming into my studio violently. Well, no, I confronted him, okay. When I saw him, doing that live or whatever. What he was. What did you say in front of my place? Like, I just I said, you got to get the fuck out of here. Yeah. No, I had to get a little. Oh, yeah. So there's a moment where you put that shit on. You were like, hold on. Here we go, Big Mac. You have to in the. Business, big Nick Energy's down. Smack pussy. What's up? Deli back energy. Oh, I like that. I haven't met him yet. I like to meet him. I like that. He's that. Big. Nick energy. That's hard. I thought it was great. I said it. Yeah, but no. I like, like anyone. An ace knows too. Sometimes you got to turn it on. You got to let it know, you. Know, pop out and show players. Yeah. Because hey, hey, All the funny get it's funny games until it becomes something that you got to, you know, deal with. And. Yeah, y'all know where my studio's at, and, you know, sometimes, sometimes stragglers come walking up. I used to produce, you know, like, whoa. That's the worst. Yo yo yo yo yo. My clients be like, oh yeah. Cool, cool. I'm like, yo, get the work out of you. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. Like, yeah I don't want to sound. Like being a total dick on this one, but, like, you know, sometimes you don't want to feed the. Cats when they don't come back with more cats with your friends. They're just one of those voices. They're hungry for attention. Just curiosity, because, you know, you're going boom, boom, boom, you know, in the neighborhood. And then you're. Booming in the neighborhood. Banging the eight awaits. Yeah. You being that. Anyway, you've got. Some interesting and they're in search of interesting. And sometimes you get people that come walking up a it doesn't help assist it live. It's right across the street. Yeah, yeah. You got you. Yeah. They're looking for anything to sparkle up what they got. But also too, you got apartments by their what time somebody yelled over each other? I love. Holy shit. You suck. Oh. We here? You really just hate this fucking hate and wrote us a hate. Hate is going to happen, though. You can't even. Hear the music outside the studio. Just sounds like. Boom. Well, like, because, you know, we do the ten in the mornings, you know, like, you, you gotta remember the the the late nights with, with the artists once the door open, where they're smoking and, you know, they want the door open, to hear the music. Yeah. You know. Right, right, right. And, I don't blame the person that yelled, hey, you suck, because, hey, dude, I'm waking that person up, you know? I mean. Did it suck. The. I don't think so. I might have said that. I might have been like, this is good. I don't think so, you asshole. But, like like, fine, like like it, like, that's the point where, like. Like, you know, like you got to be respectful to it, you know, I, I know that now, I don't know, but back of the day. Yo, man a we finished recording that shit. I leave the door open with the little, you know, little divider on the door. Everyone's smoking outside. It's just blaring out of that thing on repeat. Yeah. Imagine if you lived in that apartment on that corner. You're going to be all that. Yeah. Hey, man. Yeah. And hey, am I. And he. Did. When the people come to do the lawn in the morning in my apartment complex, I'm fucking pissed. They do the what. The, like maintenance. Yeah. They're just, like, blowing the leaves off the rocks and stuff. Yeah. You come in at 830 in the morning and I'm, like, trying to sleep till like 915. Right? Then I'm like, you're ten, dude. I'm ready to go to bat, dude. I'm ready to pick up Spanish to talk to some of these people. I'm like looking some stuff up on Duolingo right there. Oh, bro. Oh, we go for me Goomba keyboard for for me like Doug. That's it though about your Contigo I don't know. You know what I'm saying. I'm just are going. To say no no no no no no. No, don't go. Pero no. Yeah no no I. Got too much work to do. The, the worst though is it always reminds me of this one time when I was living in college after, I had an apartment, but my roommate moved out and I wanted to stay to work, so I'm like, yo, I'm going to fucking get a job, right? And I'm going to fucking, you know, live on my own or whatever. And, I would there was a jackhammer. There were literally doing a fucking jackhammer construction right underneath my apartment, like right by the door at 8 a.m. every day, bro. Just your asphalt construction. Yeah. It was like. Yeah. That's it. Woke me up every day at 8 a.m. on the dot, and I was just like, I went to the office and I was off again, you know Chris. Yeah. And I'm like, what is wrong with you guys? Like, why why would you schedule 8 a.m. concrete work outside my apartment? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they're like, we're an apartment complex. What do you want from me? I'm like, what do you want from me? That's it. That's like legally started like 6 a.m., I think. Know, 8 a.m. might be the earliest there. There are definitely hours in place to, like, keep it from starting at 6 a.m., but I think I think it's eight. It's probably eight. I remember it was like every day. Yeah, it would happen. I look at the clock. Yeah, right. It's pretty early for a lot of the population. So you live in a apartment that. That was in San Marcos when I went to. We both went to college in Texas. So we work with San Marcos. Right. But, yeah, it's cool that his mom was teaching over there. Right. You see? Yes. Oh, yeah. San Marcos, she teaching? She was. Well, she was elementary. She, she she retired elementary teacher. I did a little bit everything for the people. Or, you know, it's crazy. My mom retired at a fucking school district, too, but she did the payroll. Oh, she does the payroll. Nice. The. We have to deal with the drama. And I was. So that's kind of a. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that. Yeah. That's that's an interesting connection, right? My mom always had a story with me. But yeah. You were asking me about other kids. Yeah. If I live in apartment now and I do, and I fucking love my apartment, I'm like, you know, getting an apartment by yourself is kind of a scary thing because you're worried about the credit, maybe, or also the price point and stuff like that. So getting like a one bedroom apartment for someone that's trying to, you know, not ball, but they want like to feel good about it. It costs about $1,300 a month. Hell yeah. You want that swimming pool? You know what I'm saying? Don't you want that fucking gym back? Yeah. Is a nice place, you know what I'm saying? Like, come on, this ain't because apartments are. It drops as soon as that rent drops. The fucking amount of luxury or niceness that they're trying to provide falls off the map. It's styrofoam cups in Sweden. No, with their coffee in the lobby. It's not fucking a Starbucks machine, you know what I'm saying? I think what. You're paying for, though, is security. Right. Because that place is probably pretty secure. Contextually that that's probably what you're paying for. You know what I'm saying? I never thought about that, but but versus living in a bad part of town versus a nice part of town. The price point varies, for sure. Because I was paying 600 a month downtown. Boy, the fuck are you talking about? For a one. Bedroom. Where y'all met me that first time here? 600? That's just. Not, what's that website that you can visit. That's. Just not on exhibit. Oh, really? Really? Yeah. Parkside apartment killers. Till he dies. The killers. Are you in there with the killers? That place was scary. It's like, see, you know, the killers that. Pay for. Security. Hey, you know, I felt like y'all had a little more respect for me with. Y'all met me that day. You know, I I did. Yeah, that's how we met. Was. That is a studio. That was a time when we had first gone to visit. And you had records all over. You had, like, literal records on the walls. Oh, that's another conversation to talk about. Dude, I remember walking in that place. That was my first time there. And that's why I don't really remember meeting you there, because I thought you were like a regular there. And I was like the new guy. So I was just like. Oh, hey, hey, hey, everybody. Y'all y'all guys are, the MJ 38 boys are just, they're more recognizable, you know? No, it was just like there was so many people for me to take, you know. Like, these guys are on point. That's. Who are. These. Guys? Check out the book. Check out Crystal Barbara's episode coming out soon. Oh, yeah, that's a teaser. But anyways, how about how. About this question for ace? What about them? Academy? You got some Grammys, dude. There was legit records. That the. Platinum records. Like like like this. Can we get the full story on the Grammys? Yeah. I mean, yeah, I won, I won the nomination, Grammy nomination. And then the actual Grammy for, the doors album closed the album. Yeah. That's cool, I did, I did too, thank you, thank you, thank you, I did to, two songs on there. One would take oh, call it on, and then one with, DJ cane. And so the album got, best norteno album. And since I was part of it and everybody that was a part of it gets it. Yeah. So can I ask a deeper question? Yeah. How did they get involved with you. Like like how did like like the paths. All right. Like like I could, I could guess guys like like right. Latin Grammy. Yeah. Like I guarantee you they were like, they heard of a hot producer and they had to work, like, how did, like. You know. Yeah, I think at that time I had a manager who was managing, he was managing DJ cane and, Or can I see the name? I could yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah. He was manager, deejay, deejay cane. And so I think that's how it came about. I had just started, working with he was my manager at that time, but he had already had cane, so they had asked cane to do a one of their records. Yeah. And so since he was managing me too, he said, hey, let's get ace to do the production. So you always were the go to for the for the writing of a hit for, for. Yeah. For the for the beat. Yeah, yeah for making the, the production. Right, right. For the production. Yeah. The hits. Yeah. Come on. You got Grammys. My Latin. Bangers. Yeah. It was. Yeah it was, it was, it was awesome. It was a great experience. And yeah. So I did that. And then I think when I was there we actually went to, harder, harder Keith Studio. That's where we did. Keith. Harder, Keith. Harder. Yeah. Keith. Harder. You. Yeah. It's beautiful. Studio. Beautiful. I recorded there before I recorded this. Oh, yeah. You did tell me that. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. It's a beautiful studio. And, So. Yeah, I met all the guys and then, you know, did the song with Kane, and then after that, Tego Calderon was in, was in the studio. He was getting on one of the songs or whatever. And then I want him to start on the beat there, and then finish, you know, got his vocals and finish it up. What is the pressure level? Is there none? At that point somebody asked me that. And and it's funny because I feel like for me. Yeah for me I, I when I'm in the studio, it's, that's my element. I feel like that's what I know. You know what I mean? Like, I know, I really know so comfortable. My only thing is like how I want to lock in with what you're feeling. The artist like, what are you feeling? So I could lock in and it's not really pressure. It's more like, curious, like, where are you at? And I'm like, I'm gonna catch it. Yeah, yeah. I'm okay. That's that confidence, you know, with your figures, Allen. Yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah yeah yeah that's great bro. Yeah yeah yeah. So it was, it was a no. Pressure that you know figuring out what, what they wanted because you already knew you were in. Yeah I remember like the big thing for me about the, the energy that we were talking about like I remember one time I was working and this was like the moment for me. Like I was working with the guy from the ghetto Boys from back in the day from Houston. Yeah. Well, I was he was coming in. He was running late and they were like, can you, can you make the beat for, you know, make the beat? And I had no clue what to do. I was just I knew the music, but I didn't. I just was sitting there and I was like, I don't even know. Like, yeah, it was nothing. No. But as soon as he came in, I didn't get anything. I don't I think maybe I got too high had not like no melody. I was just like trying to. And so, he came in as soon as I shook his hand. It was like I, it was like a light bulb came in my head and I was like, I knew what to do and inspired a yeah. And I feel like that's why I say, like, the energy. I feel like I could latch on, like I just got a I just got to, you know, see them talk to him. Yeah. Whatever the case may be. Engage. And it was that session was so smooth. But before that we hit because he was already late. It was like literally nothing doing nothing. It just like yeah, yeah, yeah it's it's it's crazy right? I know and ever since then I feel like now I just need him to meet them. I needed to shake their hand or some kind of contact and I can I feel like I. Can give is that. Is it right? Like, what about the times you feel that. That's when that's when it's somebody else is in there and they're like, you know, somebody might say something or whatever it is like, oh, why did you say that? But have you ever dealt with that? Or like the like, you know, you did that shake and like you felt like the energy was right, but you still had to produce a hit? Never. I'd never felt like that. Knock on wood. Yeah. Knock on wood. I never felt like the only time I did feel like that was there was an artist that, that came in, but he. It's. It's interesting. I don't know if you get this, but I feel like artists treat engineers and producers very differently. If if they if artists come in and they and they're like, oh, these guys recording it, they but then they if they, if they, if they know that you did that beat. Yeah. And then it's just a switch. Let's like and so this one artist I'm talking about, he came in, he treated me like an engineer. Drop a name. Like I can't I don't I don't want to do that. I don't want to do that. Like those big. Yeah. Oh, they're off the top. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. And so. And, Yeah, he treated me like an engineer, but we did a whole session, and he was just like, just. Hey, you don't you don't ever stop recording me. You don't ever, you know, this and that. You don't ever tell me. And I'm like, Holy shit. Yeah, yeah. So finally at the end of the session, I had done the beat, but nothing was said. And then he asked at the end of the session, who did the beat? This man right here, a switch. Oh man. You know, it was nice working with you. You know, like I, I mean like it was. A would night. You would think. Yeah. You would think that it was scripted or something. But yeah, it's totally different. I feel like yeah. Yeah I feel like I want to guess, but like, I feel like I feel like. Yes, I feel like they're up here. Yeah. I feel like it's such a big guess. Guys. That band like. Yeah, we're in all like, this man's got Grammys, I know. Yeah. That's insane. And I will say this like, unfortunately that artist passed away the next week. Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. So that's the Texas legend, right? Yes, sir. Yes. Get up. Right the way his was born. Son of the title. His minus. One. Yeah, yeah. That's why you really recorded them all. Do you have like a, like a plaque for that or like you're like, you're, you got like a some sort of tangible product for the Grammy. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I don't get so, because it was the album you got a, you only get a statuette when you do 50% of whatever it is. So like if it was a song, then you would then you would get that statuette, but they give you the little, the, the what you call the certifications of it, you know what I mean? Like it. You've seen him that. Yeah. The flight. Yeah. Yeah, I had him at the met my other studio and made me a Grammy plaques. Yeah. Grammy pass the Grammy plaque. I'm saying statue. Yeah. So the Grammy statue you like, if it was like. It's interesting because the engineer, it was the same engineer for the whole album. So he got a Grammy and he just injured. He the engineer, right. And, I don't want to say just because it's not, it's there's a lot of science that goes into it, but, but, but I'm saying like it was the same guy. If they would have jumped different engineers and he only did like half of it, then he wouldn't have gotten one attached to it. Yeah. So it's or if one of the songs that I did was the song of Gone Hunter, song of the year or whatever, then I would have got but because it was on a project, it was a whole album. I only did two songs, so that's, you know, less than 50%. But yeah, so that's what I got the award for, for, for this. Album versus the Grammy. System translate to. That's. What's that. What do you mean? I don't want to butcher, but Uncle Ton, that is. And into. Endocarditis. What does. That mean? I don't even know. I don't know, that's. I've just known them. That's that's their name and. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. The song, there's a song that they used to sing, man. Oh my God, I do like a bunch of the words right now, so I'm like a singer, but. It was into Instagram. Yeah. Really. It was like. That lot of it get the don't let us see it on. Oh God. It the. I remember that song. Murder bro. Murder. Let's see. But yeah. Oh murdering the fun of murdering the Spanish. Not in a bad way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but you're the Spanish murderer. No, no, no. Oh, you know, you know, like. Got pass on that one, bro. I say like, I'm like. No, like like boys. Like like I'm really inspired right now. Like by a, you know, like just like it's incredible. Like I always am. And like, you got to know, like like, man, you you really, have, have spread a lot of knowledge to, the city of San Antonio, man. That's. And, I really believe, like, by, by this time next year, I mean, I see some other Grammys. I mean. Wow, you know, I appreciate that. Yeah, I'm serious man. Like, I don't think there's nothing you can't touch, you know, like like your guy in the way for all of us, you know what I'm saying? So I'm I'm I'm happy. I, I feel I feel, I mean, even just to hear you saying, like. Yeah, you know, showing love and saying, hey, man, you know, you you taught me this. You taught me, like, I feel like I've been in this game for so long that you forget certain things. And it's like for you to say that because I see how you're doing and you're doing awesome. Awesome with your work on at the studio and with these guys and with everybody that you're working with. So it's it's it's humbling. It's humbling to hear that. You know what I mean? So I, I really appreciate it. And like that's why that's why I we could tell you that because you're a you're a humble dude. You know what I'm saying? Yeah I appreciate it, man. You know. Like if it was listening to this right now, you would be lucky if you get in the booth with it as well. Okay. Hey, we'll be lucky. For real, bro? Yeah. But, like, you know what? Like, you know it. Don't stop there, man. Like, you're you're barely on your way, you know? And that that's what inspires me the most, you know, because you know I'm right. I'm right there with you, you know? Yeah. And, appreciate. You know what I mean? Come on, guys, we know this. I know, I know, I've seen it. I've seen it in person. We were. Rough when we came to a. Scene. It. I've seen it was. Coming out with bangers coming. Out like I got a weekend. It's not just the session with him. It's also your learning. You get better, you know. Because there's a disconnect between like, rappers and engineers in the sense where, like, rappers don't know all the technical terms for what you're doing. A lot of times the. Effects and. All that, it's like, make me sound purple, you know what I'm saying? So sometimes that's some of that, that like is because it's. Like you go off that I could go on, I could even go off. You know what I'm saying? The massive, heavy reverb. That I know you've heard, this is I know you. I know you've heard this one. I want I need it to sound more crispy. More crispy. Okay. God of the highs. Yes! Jay-Z. Crispy. Yeah. Yeah. Crispy. Yeah. Put in an air fryer. Yeah that's right. And it's you know that's about. Yeah. Like sometimes like like like like you'll teach the the clients. Yeah. Like same. Oh like we put them highs up right. And next thing you know they're like oh like like like you even say a term of like, let me put that compression up. Right. That after that they're like, did you put up that compression? Yeah. Yeah yeah yeah. It doesn't. It doesn't sound like it doesn't solve that compression. Right. Yeah. Yeah. No pressure on the music and And you know, the suit because you talked about the crispiness. Right. So like a lot of times clients will see you when you start raising up the, the, the, the high IQ. But that's not where it's supposed to stay, you guys. Yeah. But you're like like it gets louder. So the clients like yeah, yeah that's where it's at. But it's like, no I going to bring that down. That's right. Like you know. Yeah definitely. I've seen you guys. That's the one thing I learned from is just watching him work is that when he's going to test the level, he definitely pushes it like all the way. And then you bring it down like slowly. And then as you get to where you want it, it's even slower. Sometimes you go past and then you bring it back up to the top and then you're like, I think it's like right there. Oh, for the mixing. For the mixing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah for the mix. That literally taught me that. Really. You bring the track down in the mix of just hey, like when you like, do your final mix, turn it all down. Yeah. And slowly bring it all up where it feels. And then, a really crucial thing that actually. So Santoni shout out to Sosa. Shout out to. Sosa. He taught me a neck. It's not about the, the weird sounds. You know, it's about the boom boom. It's about what makes you the boom bap. Is it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So. So that boom bap. Yeah. Yeah. Because I, you know, I come, I come from metal music, rock music, you know. So like my first tracks that out right. Guess what man. They were like 52 tracks of music. Yeah that's what that's way too. That's a. Pace. Yeah, yeah. You know, so Sosa was the one that showed me, like, cut all that shit out. We want something that's gonna make the hips move, right? Right. So. So what you do on your mix is you turn up that, you know, each of the jobs first. You know, the way they get that. Did you get that? 808 up in there, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's how you make ass. That's how you. Hey, you still double. You still dove in on a. Not very much. Wait. Don't like doubling the verse. The vocals. Yeah. A little dub effect on that bus. Every once in a while. It depends if I'm going for that. Yeah. If I'm, if I want a little wider. Because that's another thing. Because, like, I'll turn it all the way up and then turn it down. The classic. Oh, I like to. Where was that? Yes. You're just hearing it louder. You're hearing it too. Yeah. Yeah. Crazy. Yeah. Those are the, those. Yeah. Behind the scenes as a rapper you go in there and, and it's scary because it's like your internal voice and you and the notepad is different than like you projecting the verse. Right. And then once you even if you can seamlessly be projecting the verse into your outside voice, it's still like that translating into an MP3 file that you can hear in the car. It's got to go through you guys first, and then a lot of times like it, you know, even out of your mouth, it may not sound how you want it to. So it's like I think that's why people the respect changes. It's like you made the beat and you're making my voice. You're making the song, dude. Like I'm making lyrics, but my lyrics wouldn't be shit, you know what I'm saying? Sometimes even the beat wouldn't be nothing til y'all jump on it. It's crazy. I mean, cause I've. Yeah, y'all. I felt that dude. Very true. Y'all jumped on beats before where I was very self-conscious about it. The beat. Yeah. And then, like, like a couple times, I think when we're working and, you know, like, you're coming in those couple days, you know, like the second, yo. Right, so I do. Come on, dude, what's the last one we did? And you did that singing. Thing on there. Yeah, yeah yeah. Yeah, yeah, I've heard that. Dude. It's a run. He told. Me to run. And like, hey, I, us as, songwriters, you know, that could have been, like, not not the hottest beat for us. But then, you know, y'all the one that bring it to life. Red hot. Yeah I feel that right. There it is. Damn. When you do that one little thing all the you don't know talk about. Oh yeah. Yeah it was lit bro I love that song. I want to hear that finish I don't want to hear that time. Well for, for with MJ 38 black. So like, I had a bar set. On what, b room. Yo. Yeah, I'll check that out. Yeah, that's what I meant to say. That song is. Great. Y'all download that shit. Put the link on. I want to talk about this, but it went so hard, I didn't know how to write another beat that hard, so I started to that complex, because, like, dude, how am I going to top that? Wait, wasn't that. The one that I really like? I was like. So he that was the one with the baseline. Yeah. Yeah. I told him I was like, bro, that's my favorite song right there. Yeah, that was good hard. And see on that one it was all just like like usually I'm about Melody. But that one like what I've what you figure out like with just music in general sometimes it's just that hard. 808 with that. Good. Just. Oh yeah. Just an easy set up to. Simple or something as simple as like be crazy. He's just simple and just fucking all of it. That's it. Yeah, that oh that's it. I like the fact that y'all, y'all guys, y'all might be the only artists that work with ace. And you know that y'all get the best of you know. Well, y'all get the best. That's the best of the world. Yeah. But you know and did y'all get a little taste of the the other side. You know what I'm saying. Did we just cut. The beautiful I. Mean we can make a song in an hour, which is insane dude. Right. Like cool. Yeah. That's super. Dope. Yeah. And when you see these guys, motivated, like, forget it. Do you like. Because, like, Justin. Guess what? Justin, he's the writer coming in. Yeah, he's the one. He's the one coming in. He's going. Matt, I call you more the like, the firecracker, the wild card. Yeah. Okay. You know. Okay. Yeah. Like like. Wow. Because, like, the first time would be like. Like. Damn, baby, I'm above. That. Above. Yeah, yeah. I'm adapted to. Just the same, you know what I mean? This is. And that's when they complement each other so well is because one of them comes in structured. Ready. Yeah. And then the other one is like a little more like the wild card. Yeah. Like, you know, like. The, like in the booth. Yeah. That does it in time. Yeah I love that shit. And like that's part of the. Yeah. You can't mess that up. That's part of the energy. I feel like you're feeding off the energy in that moment. That's why I connected with what you were talking about. About the handshake? Yeah. Telling you where to go. I'm like, that's what, that. I feel that, too. Like the vibe, the in the room or how I feel that day. Or like, if there's a powerful emotion, I just try to, like, tap into that thing, and then it's really easy at that, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Also to with with the team, you know. Yeah. Because y'all two guys man. Y'all got y'all got a brotherhood going on like dude I know I like I probably like asked them a couple times like, you be a third brother. Oh I well no that's for sure. So I've. Already. Hey, I already said that they need to change the name. Yeah. It's a 38 MJ. MJ in 83, 80. 7JO MJ and hey, wait a minute. Hey, do you remember. Guys. If Mary J. I do that numbers go go up. MJ in a. Yeah. If it is we're in the band MJ it's going to go higher. The 3840. 40, 38, 45, 38, 45 I'm just feeling whatever you want. Your birthday went your birthday. We can literally figure out your number. Figure it out right now. What about 2030? The when was the year ever 20. There's a four. Two is a six, plus 99 was the year. That's. Yeah. Yes. From the outside and work working right. I think he's telling us just add them all up to your nine plus 1981. So that's ten. And plus the nine. 89. Is 19 plus the eight Justin is adding the digits of all the numbers 27. Singular digit. 27 plus one is 28. I want to. Hold on one second. Guess your numbers. One. What? One. Oh yeah. So just as able to figure that number out by taking like 1991. So nine and one together is ten but ten is one and zero and one and zero together is one. So he just took your 91 and combined into one digit. Then he's going to do the same thing all the way down the line for your digits until he gets to one digit. Finally, at the end of what would be the numerical. Value of. Your your birthday. One. And then we could say that there's different personality types or life structures or perceptions of reality based on which number you finally lie on, based on the the date that you were born. This is good, Yeah. So that that's what 38 came from. Yeah, I'm the three and he's the eight. Damn. I thought. You're one. You're one. Everybody asks this all the time. What does MJ 38 mean. And I don't want to do that whole spiel right there. I realize that I'm going to ask them what their birthday is all. And his head away and his hand away. Yeah. Just do a real quick shout out. He's just had a birthday. So happy birthday, happy birthday. So somebody round off, round off his birthday. Round off his birthday. Okay. What's your number? Oh. When's your birthday? 77. 77 to do. It was your day. Yes. Got what you wanted the month and day. But is it September 13th? What's your favorite? Remember 47? September 1377. You're your. Birthday. So nine plus 13, right? 13. Yeah. Change 22 plus seven, 22, 23, 23. Plus nine. He was born in 89. 32 and 32 plus nine. I know 930 plus seven is 39 and 3739 plus seven is 46. Do you like. Arrangement number 46? No, you're also one. Four plus six is ten. Oh zero is one. Yeah. So MJ and ace MJ. Hey, that's why they call it A1 one presents itself. In the matrix. That's crazy. Allegedly. Because if I had to have guessed, I would have guessed one. I'm mind blown and cross-eyed at the same time. After that. I if I could ask, I'll ask the boys a question. What's what's the song right now? Y'all? Y'all just say fame feeding off of right now. It's like so many other other artists. Yeah, yeah. What's waking you up? What's my number one? I was waking you up right now. What are y'all working out to? I know y'all work out. Yeah. It's like what? What's that song that, like? Is it one of your own? Is. No. I know you're talking about. There's always a song out there that really fucking drives the. Yeah, yeah. Lately it's been for me a combination of a couple things, a couple songs off a big Sean's newest album just dropped a couple weeks ago. So a couple songs off of the Big Sean's album Holy just dropped an album as well. He's a Christian rapper. Okay. Goes fucking nuts. A couple songs off there. I've been listening to and then chance, Chance the Rapper. Here's another couple of songs that I've been. Bad Boys two is. Bad Boys two and Stars Out. And then his other album, Coloring Book. I fucking love that album. It's like a it's almost like a gospel album to a degree. It's like super heavily, like spiritually influenced. He's the guy. Have you heard a chance rapper? Yeah, of course. You know, as a rap, you know what I'm saying? He made acid rap and then he made, Coloring Book and like, the album covers look very similar. And I think that's because they were coming from a similar place. And as a rapper, probably like his younger, more not degenerate self, but more juvenile, his younger self, immature teenage, early 20s, whatever. And then probably, yeah, probably like late teenage after high school. And then Coloring Book was a continuation of that. But acid rap came from, I think, the place of being the younger person experimenting with psychedelic drugs and then like what that truth brought to you. He was able to, like, express that through his music. And then he did the same thing, but extended even further down that path. I think in my opinion, in my opinion, down the right direction, because it's like more spiritually based. It's more like God driven. So him and Jay, like electronica, have a song. Like what? You get a hold of that power, man. But it it's powerful. I just felt that too, because I know, y'all had a couple songs that we've, we've written together that, you know, spread the word. And, you know, sometimes that shit hits you amazingly, man, for sure. Yeah. We've made some shit. But what about you? What's happened? You up right now? I think we made have me up right now. I really like two songs in particular that I definitely jam almost every day. I, like, came out of East, by flasher, I think. Is his name is, Louisiana. He says he goes to LSU in that song. I don't know much about this guy, but I've been following local. It's called came out a beast. Came out a beast? Yeah. Good title. But, it's, like it. I felt anything Lil Wayne is on, especially now. Every feature he does is just a murder job like he is. He's on a run of just killing every song he gets on, and then Spotify promotes me almost anything that Lil Wayne is on. So I got promoted. This song came out a beast, and then flow is like the artists. It's like he was on court. A song I was talking about earlier. He just. I'm like, whatever, I play it. But, and then almost I heard it and people, I show it to think that flashy kind of sounds like a woman at first, just like sonically, that's what you kind of think is going on. But he's just a young college kid rapping, you know what I'm saying? And then Lil Wayne hops on and just murders the song and the beat is like, nice, dude. It's a nice beat. So I played that song and I just get gassed up to the gills. I'm like, hey, his bars are nice. What song are you going to sleep to to to put you to sleep. I can't. I can't, I cannot go to sleep to, to. YouTube and gold. I start dissecting the song I can't do. It I yeah, I'm on the other side. Well, what do I what'd you been listening to? That's what I've been bumpin lately. I've been listened to recently. It's been a lot of, reggaeton. Reggaeton stuff. And then, who's that guy, bro? I was blown away by the, I knew the song, Luis, something. He was at the VMAs. He's got that real soulful. Oh, gosh. It's going to kill me. Because what we're talking about. Keep looking at me because it's, I have no idea. Yeah, I'm thinking of it. Yeah, I'm thinking that, it's I'm going to look it up. I'm going to look at it, but I'm on the. I'm on that soulful right now, though, you know what I mean? Like, right, like right now. But I mean, honestly, like, I listen to a little bit of everything because I feel. Like most of your clients. Yeah, it's mostly like, yeah, I mean, I'm doing a lot of I'm working with this company in Sweden. I was telling about their, earlier and and they do they give me like, like work orders. So they're, they're, they'll send me references and say like, okay, we want this style. We want that style. So a lot of it is I'm doing like research too, you know what I mean? So and it's been kind of busy with that. So, I haven't really had time to be honest with you. So. But that guy and I'm going to find him right now, I'm going to. I'm going to come back to it. Yeah, I'ma tell you, but yeah. I, I've, I've been like, going to sleep like, of course, like, you know, I go to sleep probably like five in the morning since the morning, but like, oh I'm in studio. Studio like. It's so fucking. Awesome. You're gonna, you know, y'all just walked into that life. So get ready. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, hey. When the money comes, that's when you you know it. And you got nothing to wake you up in the morning. We'll call you at five tomorrow. But they'll be up it. But mostly, it's really weird. I've been listening to that one, strange song to put me to sleep on repeat. It's like, who can. Say no way to go? Yeah, yeah. And those. Yeah. It's, And I still like, so, like, so, so three times this week. Three times this week. I've, gone to sleep with that on repeat. And of course, who has to suffer? My girlfriend. The one. Yeah. And the vibing with it. Are you getting great sleep? I need so many questions. Okay, I do, I get crazy, but I might be waking somebody up, but, hey, guess what? She's got to be up for work at 30 minutes anyways. Yeah, yeah, no, but it's fine. But, like, I feel. Like. So. So I think what I think what happens with, like, engineers, producers like us, people ask like, oh, who do you listen to? But like, we really don't have time to really listen to anything else but what maybe work, right? Yeah. So. And then someone really blew my mind, and they were like, dude, have you been listening to the same 30 songs your entire life? It's like, very well possible. Imagine your own playlist that you go back and listen to, like that's on YouTube. You know, it's the same damn songs. You know, I I've been. I think about it a lot. 80%, 80%, probably very similar, maybe like 20%. You have some experimentation with it. But ultimately there are some songs that you. There's a formula for that. And the 80% is like when you're like 16 to 20 years old is usually when you catch the niche for your 80%, in my opinion, because that's why people still love 80s music. It's because, like, there's. Something I listened to in high school, you know? Yeah. That transformative. What were you listening to in high school? Big Sean, big Sean, finally Sean talking to me. You. It wasn't. Oh, yeah, I know. I know, you boys had a little parking. Yeah. Oh. Big time. Of course I have a signed fucking picture out there. Linkin Park, bro. That was our first concert. Really? Yeah. Like Chester signatures. I just met him that day. I met him, yeah. He told me happy birthday. I was like ten. God, now it's getting emotional, guys. It's. It was. It was 2004, so I was. How do you feel about that? You could not have made a better guess. Then. You know what? You're you're you're a person who chatters. Your opinion matters more. Like, what do you think about the new leads here? I have I I've lost touch. I've lost touch with Lincoln Park, bro. After like the first three albums, I think I lost touch. But you had to have noticed that there was a new lead singer. Of course. Yeah. I think the only way to replace Chester was to maybe get a pretty girl. Oh, wow. Okay. It's a different round entirely. Because I found. Any guy we're going to hate because it's not Chester. Yeah. So maybe maybe they decided to put a pretty face on it and rebrand. You know? Yeah. That's a hot take. That's a hot take. That is that I love. That's really emotional response to Chester dying, which is what it deserves. I cry I still cry sometimes. Exactly right. You're like, don't replace my dad. Yeah. That's me when I was 12. I'm not even playing with you. That's my emotional response to what's to sometimes. Yeah, yeah. So I'm sorry to end on a sad note, gentlemen. I'm with you like 20s left. We're not ending on that, are we? We got to. We got to sign up, y'all. Where's the get cut off? Maybe we could go 30 minute audio for the Patreon something. But the videos all the time. Now for the videos. Good times. A lot of times, guys, any. Last messages you want to get across? 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