Finding YOUR WAY: Changing For The Better | The MJ38 Show Episode #67 | Dr. Austin Jones

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On this Episode of the Podcast:

Matthew and Justin sit down with Dr. Austin Jones. 

Justin and Austin have been friends since early high school days, and Austin is currently in his last year of residency in Radiology after switching specialties away from Child Neurology. 

Today we Talk about Getting Punched in the Face, Super Smash Bros Melee in Med School, and The Power of the Mind to Produce Physical Symptoms

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I used to have a traveling case on my Xbox so I could take it with me where I was going, and now I could set up and game with you guys. So if somebody smashed that, I'd be like. Bruh. Yeah. You know, I don't think it's like a good in a bad thing how it is social, but at the same time it's not social. Yeah. You know, you be extremely isolated. Yeah. You fake it. You feel like you're, know, like socializing with people. Maybe I should have just made, like, new friends where I was and then. No, no. No, at that time, especially at that time when Call of Duty for Modern Warfare one first came out, that was like right around the time when that happened. Unfortunately for him, at the peak of AI, like online Xbox, I at least for us, like I had just. Become friends with you guys, but he wouldn't he couldn't play. Xbox got shattered. Am I thrown down a staircase? Yeah, I was happy with him. And, yeah, I mean, one of the like, more interesting guys I've ever met for sure. Character. Definitely for his character, for sure. For sure. I love that guy. Yeah. He put me on a freestyle rapping. Yeah. Yeah. He he's he's partially responsible for the entirety of this this is oh this office. You know I'm saying. What about Adam? Adam al-Saadi. Yeah, he was referring to. He was freestyling, bro. I remember the one of the first times I think it was Adam and then Zach, and then we were at, like, a Sonic, and then they were freestyling. Right? You were there? Yeah, bruh. I don't know why was that? Was just like goofy freestyle and. That stupid shit you he was like. Strangely talented at the most random. It was. Good. Yeah. But he was able to at least he was. Good at, like, Microsoft Excel freestyling. NCAA football. Probably like baking croissants, but like, he couldn't do math. On basic functions. Dude. Oh, my God. That sounds like someone with, super high IQ IQ. So I, I struggle with the little stuff, you know? Yeah, exactly like that. He's playing chess, not checkers. Exactly. Life just has a lot of checkers that you got to take care of, too. You know? Yeah. He's like. He's like seeing numbers. That's why he can't, like, do the normal human things. Because the whole world around him. Is like. The. Matrix math. Yeah. I'm into that. Matrix bending dude. Yeah. Okay. I'll do a quick little intro welcoming everyone we can of jump into some conversation. MJ 38 show episode number 67. The M2. Away flying by. Him. You couldn't find two more guests. Come on. We can just backlog this one and call it 69. There we go. Yeah, we'll put it on. You put it on retainer. You do the intro, we'll. Put it on retainer. We have. This one. Might be 69. We'll we'll find out. Hey, we got a couple episodes coming. 69 special. This next week. Yeah, well, this next week we have a lot of pods lined up, but in the office, in the building, in the studio, we have one of my best friends. Longtime best friends. Doctor man over here. Aggie gave him to death. I forgot your practice. Exactly. Because I know you switched practices. Radiology now. Yeah. Needs pediatrics to radiology. Okay, that's what happened. Got it. Radiologists. Very confusing in the building. Doing his thing. One of my longtime best friends, Austin Jones. Give it up for. Him, all right? Yeah. And also, we have his lovely wife Talia here as well. First live audience. Thank you. Audience. All all three of you so. Excited to have an audience is really cool actually for. A loud. Applause. So to express. That was awesome. This is the new dynamic I love it. Yeah, it's a cool new episode, but yeah man. Welcome in. No. Yeah. Thanks for having me. Yes. First. First doctor on the podcast. Yeah. It's embarrassing. We're getting this bread. We're getting a I like a nice spread. We have a we had the nerdcore rapper. We had pizza owner, we have Ivy drip owner, a doctor in the building. I actually have some friends, potential clients. Guess old, old people that I used to serve when I was working in the restaurants. There are doctors that I would like to have on the show, so I feel like you're just breaking through the wall right now. Yeah. Yeah, we do have doctor maybe potentially on the on retainer sometime in the near future. Is that one of your. Yeah, he was an old client of ours. And then. Yeah, he was, one of the investors in the old spy we used to work at. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah, he frequent in. He was a super, super cool guy. But he'll he'll be on eventually. Yeah, I guess I'm, I guess I meant, like, a guest at the restaurant we would take care of. And then there's several doctors that were a guest at the restaurant that we would take care of, that we got connected with. That might be interesting coming on. A nice. I think they get a little nervous because anybody coming on a podcast, if you have like a brand and then you're not sure about what the brand of that podcast is, I think you're like, I don't know, what do you guys about? And then worry about everything. We're all over the place signing up for here. Yeah, well no brand. Hey, Jones. Jones, dude, really. Nothing going on in my. Life. Really? That's interesting. So, yeah, I'm happy to. To bore everyone, to death. Yes. To death. So I have they, Have you guys ever told you you're like, origin story for the podcast? How you guys met and became friends? I don't. Think so. Not in the pod? I don't think so. Right. So maybe. Well, it's here now. Yeah. We, A time ago. Galaxy far away to come. So how long you been friends? We're talking. So you and I met. We were two. Thousand and seven. But you and Matt have been friends since, like, way before that, right? Yeah. Like 2001. I want to say maybe. Can you even, like, 23 years? Yeah. That's crazy. I was like. Six, like seven. I was like 7 or 8 and he was like 6 or 7. I was in first grade that. You're still friends like best friends to this day is pretty insane. The other day it's crazy. But, he was you were my first number one Myspace friend. Yeah. And I had to, like. Okay, it doesn't get to me. I had to. Have a top ten. I was like, one number one's Justin, for sure. What do we do after that day? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had a. Best friend named Fred who would never put me as his number one. No, I was always like the brother, you know, like some family member. That was number one. Just crush me every time. So Justin did that for us? For sure? Yeah. For sure. It was like. It was like something you I would I wasn't upset, you know what I'm saying? It was cool. He had a different organization for his friends list. But then one time he put me as number one. I was like, that's what. That's what I mean. That's when we should have known. Like, social media matters way too much to people, you know, this is something different here. Sixth grade, bro. That kind of like middle. School. Being impacted by that is kind of crazy. Yeah. That was the first real social media. Myspace. I think so, right. At least I was the first one that the first large one that I interacted with and that I knew a lot of other people who were also interacting with it. Unless you did, aim. Yeah, yeah, that was another guess. That kind of counts. Yeah, I remember I had a crush. Many moons ago. Yeah, 20 moons ago. We're diving into your sixth grade. Your historical record. Here. She, archive Boston. She had, like, a tone that, like, when she would send you messages, would play a song. You know, that, song that's like. Du du du du du du du du. Now, listen. To your heart. Listen to your heart. When he's calling for you. Listen to your heart. Yes, she. It would go. It would play a little. Remind me of that. So I had the biggest crush on her. Because I love that song. That, That was the first little taste of that social media that you're talking about. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, totally. Dude, it was cool. I was on a. It was a maroon skate and. Bruins game to death. Go do that for like a couple hours at night and, log off. And the computer would take like, an hour to turn on, and it was, like, questionable if we'd have internet at that time. Yeah. Hey, it was a little spotty. Very choppy. Yeah. Very sure. Okay. Sorry I interrupted you guys. I know that was good, but, I was also, like, go a whole nother tangent. We you say that tangent for later. Yeah. Ruin scapes. Oh, shit. Okay, so we are. I was yes, I was born in California. He was born in Indiana. And then our family's just happened to move in California. Yeah, I just happened to move in Texas. That's why. You're late. Oh, you're a Lakers fit. That's right, that's right. Yeah. Loyal to the soul, baby. Dodgers. Angels. Do you see that? He holds a grand slam. Walk-off grand slam in it. Denny's. That's buckets. But. So we both just moved to Texas around the same time 2001, whenever that was, roughly. And then I guess it had to be the summertime because maybe in the summertime it was hot because we were at the pool. And then I guess we, I was just at the apartment complex we just happened to move into. And then his grandma also lived in that same apartment complex. And then I guess, every day after school, you went over there for some days. A lot of days. A lot of days. Yeah, not all of them, but okay. I would just take a different bus to go to my grandma's house. But as always, kind of lame because it was like my grandma's apartment was smaller and there wasn't anything to do, and she couldn't really play with me. And I had no friends over there. And then, like, so I didn't like doing it a whole lot. And I remember telling my mom, like, just her balcony face, the pool, like, you walk out and you're looking at the pool with, like, the barbecue and everything. And I was like, mom, like, when I go to grandma's house, can I go to the pool? Like, there's nothing to do over there? Like, please, can I go to the pool? And I asked her for like a month or two. I kept being like, okay, well, if I got to go to grandma's house, can I please go to the pool? And she be like, no, no one's there, no one can watch you. And then one day she's kind of like, okay, if you go to your grandma's house and you look outside and you see there's like someone your age, like a boy that's like maybe from your school. And if they're out there with their mom, then call me, talk to me, tell me, and then have your grandma go sit on the patio and then you can go out there, go introduce yourself to the mom and tell you your grandma's right up there and you want to swim, but your grandma can't come down and ask her if she could watch you, please. And I was like, all right, I bet. Whatever. And I look outside and there's a mom and a kid my age and I'm. And then the only people at the pool and I'm like, going, let's go. And I go down there, and then I introduce myself to the mom, and then that's shiny. And then I'm like. Oh, my mom. Start hanging out. Justin, I think we had a ball or football or something like that. And we just started kicking it. And then they told me we lived at whatever, nine, ten, nine, 29 or whatever. I just go knock on his door and then from then we just every time I went to my grandma's house, we were hanging out. And then we start talking on the phone, playing video games. Yeah, at. Eight years, like like in 64. 64. Yeah. Really badass. We used to run Mortal Kombat, but, like, my grandma would never let us play that game, so then we'd be like, one person would be holding the controller for the next fight, and the other person would be like on the reset button for the Nintendo 64. And if like the stage came up that had like the chopped off heads and dismembered bodies and stuff. Just like spikes on the ground. Yeah. Dead bodies everywhere. Yeah. We were like eight. Yeah, I. Hit the reset. Well, grandma was looking at the people magazine. Hopefully she doesn't see it. And then we'll just start the run over. So we're just fucking being kids, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. This is what. It is. Bro. But you didn't go to the same school. We went to Forest North. Yeah, we're at the same school, but we were. And we're not on the same grade because I guess the cutoffs also. Yeah, the cutoffs for the ages as far as, like the enrolling into the schools, whatever grade, you're kind of depends upon like how old you are. And then they I guess everyone's a little bit different. So East Coast versus the West Coast and then versus Texas was all a little bit different. So even though we're like one year, we're one year apart in age and then there are there's like a week of time where we are the same age. But even with that being said, we're like, I'm two. I think I'm two grades older than him. Yeah, I think I was graduated at 11. I think he graduated at 13. Right. Because like I was going to Texas State. We're in the same school as you guys. So I was gonna say the high school grew up. Together but didn't go to the same high school you. Were with. No. Yeah, that's. Where we met. Yeah, but then you went. You guys reconnected at Texas State? Yeah, right. I moved in for sixth grade. I moved, and then we. Moved to, like, Dallas or like Corsicana. Right. First it was Frost, which was like, there we go. Oh, one day school. Like, they were just barely big enough to not play seven man football. Like there's some one eight schools that can play four football, but it's like everybody's on the team. It's like, if you could look at the overalls of some of those players, it's like. Some of them are great and some of them are bad. 4242 it's like the right guys getting buried tonight. Yeah. But But they have this like, small town. Like, you ever watched Friday Night Lights? Yeah, the TV show. Yeah, dude. Yeah, it's it's like that, you know what I'm saying? Her favorite. Show. Yeah. Also. Yeah. I've never seen it. It's like. Better than the. Movie. It's like, oh. Yeah, it's better. Than the movie. I think the ladies, my mom liked it a lot. And then I feel like there's something about the ladies really like that show. Because. The coach is. Hot. He was like, yeah, you know, it's about football. Unfortunately. That's why that's good. It's about stand up guys like positive testosterone. It's sort of about football. They show a lot of football and drama. Like guys can watch it, but it's mostly drama. Yeah, okay. I remember like the running back took steroids and it was like real dramatic. He really wants to go to college. We might have to do that, but I just I think it's Nash Williams. I just spoiled season one. Justin. That's okay. It's fine. I I'm not. Going to tell the lady. I'll suggest the show to the lady and I'll see if she likes it. Smash Williams is a great character to write like the actor that plays him. He's like he has true swagger. Yeah, some people are like faking it or it's not. But also a like a ten out of ten name for a. Slam. Smash Williams. That's hard. Yeah this is Bron people over here. He's him. He's like. AP Turner. Taylor. Taylor coach Taylor yeah. Heartthrob bang okay this is great. It's got a little. Country twang to them. So maybe don't don't watch it actually. Yeah. Where's he. It's off to get married. What's it on? It was on Netflix back in the day. Netflix might be. It's available, so make sure. You watch it with. The classic. Yeah, but Coach Traylor, the UTSA head coach here, I served him one time while he was at a booster dinner. Obviously nothing crazy happened. I got to have crazy stories or anything like that. But he's just he is almost like, he's that guy. Really. I don't know if it's like he wanted to be that guy, or if it's just like they wrote a story about like a southern coach that really, like, has that that draw and that vision and that leadership and charisma. But like his wife reminded me of the wife from the show and the way he talked to the boosters reminded me of the way he's talking to Buddy Garrison. And I was just like, this is this is a trip right here. He's really living that life. Yeah. Hey, you know, A&M almost hired that guy. I heard about it. Trailer and they went with that Elko from Duke. I think that I heard Coach Traylor saying that he wanted a big contract, like a multi-year contract. Yeah. And he didn't. I think he said that he didn't think A&M would do it after Jimbo Fisher. Maybe. Or maybe I'm misquoting him. I don't want to, but I know that was one of the draws for him to come to UTSA because they were going to offer him that big window. Dude, you should I honestly, I think he's like phenomenal. I think he might have done a great job at A&M. Yeah, yeah. It's weird to think he could have got hired by you could have got hired by A&M, but instead he's hired by UTSA. And since that program is kind of looked at a much different light than the other programs, I think we look at him in a much different light than other coaches. But he has like the most winning record in Texas high school football. He's like, really? I think he went like 60 and ten or something like that. Yeah, was. Like unstoppable going. Off. Yeah, I know that. That's crazy. But yeah. So you moved to small town. Yeah. Oh it was Frost, Texas at first they were like freaking small. Like there was like 30 or 40 people that went to my dad's church there, probably like 30 or 40 people in the graduating classes, freaking small. And then there was another city, like 20 minute, ten, 15 minutes to the west of that called Corsicana. And that was a bigger school, like a four day, five day school. And they had a college in that town. It was just like, really it was a culture shock because it was more, I don't know how to say it. It was, a lower income city, and it was different demographics than I was used to. So there was just like a lot more, minorities where, like the majority in that city, which is cool. Like, I rocked with that, but it was kind of a culture shock, for sure. Like there was uniforms at the school and like, security guards at the school and, like, metal detectors and stuff. And I was just like, yo, this is kind of crazy. Talk about it on a previous podcast. There's a fight every day, fight. Every day in the locker. Room. Oh, really? Yeah. Like every day. It was like people were just like, kind of waiting, like it's going to happen. Someone's got a beef to settle or someone said some shit today or and if nothing happened, then it's like even more scary because then it's like it's. Someone's going to fight today. When it hits, it's gonna hit hard. I mean, do you think that's productive for like a high school football team? They were really tough, but they were really undisciplined. Yeah, that was our coach. Every day was talking to us about discipline. And then I got to the point where I just was he would start saying stuff like, Matthew's gonna get minutes because he just sits here and he fucking does his work. And he comes in and he's quiet like, that's that's the kind of shit I'm looking for. So I started like feeding into that a little bit, adopting that. But it was because we were so undisciplined that we're always going. I think that would be a better program if they I don't know. And emotional discipline. Yeah. Right. Right. Not just acting out. It's like, all right, we're going to fight. No. Yeah I think we. Fight like tempers. Flaring. And here's the thing though. The fighting every day. Yeah. Is there Brian Dawkins or like the Steelers in their prime I don't think I think that they they were more like let's fight in the locker room or I don't know, I just feel like that raw toughness probably did get bred a little bit by that fighting in the locker room. You know it could be it could be good. Probably a balance you guys. Yeah yeah. Always fighting every day. And. Having that toughness I think you got to have a probably somewhere in the middle. Yeah. But it was wild. There's just the crowd was a lot higher. And the influences of the crime like I remember watching a kid run out of the school and he's getting chased by a security guard and he's like running away from them, trying to. And then the guy's, like, arresting him. And I'm like, why is this? We're in middle school. Why is this kid getting arrested? Yeah, like, what the fuck? You know, I'm saying Jesus. Yeah. So anyway, it's culture shock, but that was a bigger town. And then we moved to Florence, Texas, which was like Frost, Texas. But a little bit bigger, but more country and more cowboy boots, more, you know, southern living. And, I didn't really love that either. I'm more of like a city guy, like, I like Austin and Round Rock and stuff like that. I really like my New York family when I was a kid and stuff, so I didn't really. I wasn't a big cowboy like that, so it was a little uncomfortable. But anyways, that's what we that's why I was. Oh, yeah, we never went to the same school except for elementary school and then college. But we had stayed in touch like throughout the entirety of middle school and high school. Yeah, that's how I mean, it's crazy. You guys stayed so close despite never. Yeah. Like even living in the same city as kids. Yeah. Yeah, it was. I guess it was kind of a testament. We talked earlier, so we were talking about Xbox and stuff. It was kind of like that. We were sort of given a different sort of platform to communicate. Yeah, it's. Yeah it's. Xbox. Yeah. Fucking yeah. Play runs games together just like get it on a three way call with me you and Derek. And it's like playing room scape. We're playing Call of Duty, you're playing Halo or whatever. I guess we don't really play Halo. We. We played a little bit, but yeah, that. Was like Call of Duty, but that was it for the long and. Then Myspace and all that. So I guess it was kind of lucky, I guess if there ever was a time for someone to like or for because if it happened, if we were to be like our parents age, like, how the hell are you going to say like. Five, five years? Yeah, even five years or even like a year or two. We might have missed it. You know, I'm saying. You say that, but my parents also my parents met on the internet. Yeah. That's great. You know what I'm saying? So they're. Pioneers. They really fan pioneers. They're they're like. They're like, you're one of the three people with the internet. Yeah. We should date, right? Yeah. Exactly. What? To have babies. Like, what. About the other guy? Like. I don't talk to him. He's a little with his mom. He's a psychopath. Yeah, I know he. He invented the internet. We're the first two on it. He's fucking crazy. Oh, man. How did they meet in the 80s on the internet, dude. Okay, so I don't know the exact specifics, but I imagine it was some kind of website engineered for that. But also, like, they played like, this game called mud back in the day, which was like, A full. MMO RPG, but it was all text based, like everything was like. It's like Dungeons and Dragons almost. Yes. So it's like you walk into a country field, you see this on the right, you see this on the left. This just happened to you. The sun's going down. You need to get to here. What do you want to do next? And then like, what you type in is like pretty open for interpretation when. You try to do. Yeah. But it's like an AI generated like DM or less or Dungeon Master. I think someone who like plays out what happens in response to what you say? I think it was a team of people were writing the code for Mud in a building somewhere, and then writing like infinite, that they were playing with the science of code, like, how can we make this so expansive that no matter what they do, we have something for them? The response is different than what they could have done. So because they were being so experimental. I think that they were like finding avenues that might have been like AI, but they weren't calling it. I you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah, some sort of program. But my dad was so interested in the boom of software and technology. He got a computer when he was like five. And he's like the type of person that could take a computer apart and put it back together and understand what's going on. And so. He built your computer, right? Yeah. Yeah. He builds computers, like, for fun as a hobby. And my computers, it's nice. He's great. His computer is, like, one of the best in Texas. Like top five. It's guys. That's crazy to say. Yeah. Holy shit. Like, what are the other four? Yeah. What do you mean, best? Like, there's only so much, top. Performance you could have. Yeah. So once you get, like, literally everything maxed. Out, your stats. Yeah. For sure. And then also of a new thing comes out and you one of the first people to get it, you know what I'm saying? So there's, there's been times where he's like, dude, this computer right now, like, as of today, I don't even think anybody really know what's touching me. Nobody. No one's touching me. But that's crazy as fuck. But he's so fascinated by it that I think that's why he loved mud was because he was like a nerd about the inner workings of it. But my mom just really liked fantasy games. She liked Dungeons and Dragons. She liked reading books like EverQuest. That was a big game there playing, right? She was ever cracked, for sure. She was like, I remember hearing. That term when I was like, at your house. She was. Eight years. Old. Wasted no chance. They were playing the most boring. Now, if you go back and play those games right, you. Would never. Not spend more. Than five minutes. Not to say, but now, I mean, could you imagine if they played some of the games that are coming out now and they're, they've had, what, 40 years to, like, make them more and more addicting and kind of. Better, smoother. Yeah. I've heard that the engaging factor of it is really plays on your subconscious mind. No doubt. Right. Like your hunt instincts and your, like, adrenaline and stuff like that. Like feeling like you're in that moment. Dopamine hits. Yeah, like in World. Of Warcraft, right? Yeah. Like you roll for a little piece of a sword, right? That you get to equip and you're like, oh my God, that was incredible. It's like a slot machine. Means. Nothing in your real life. Like nothing at all. The moment you log off, you're no better than you once were. Except it's five hours later. You're a little smellier. Yeah, you're a lot, lot smellier. If you're hungry or if you're. 16 year old Austin, you're a lot Smellier. You got to spend some time doing something that's not, I just my my question I want to ask you, do you play video games as this because you're do we haven't even got into it yet. But yeah, we got you started talking. You're you're like, one of the most accomplished people from the people that I knew as a kid. Like, as far as being a professional. And like when I heard. Doctor Brett splatter, it's like dog. When I heard you graduated. Doctor Jones. You were doing some. Surgery. Yeah. Yeah, well she doesn't. I like you guys. She's a no. You guys know. Who I used to be? She has no idea. Like how. Far I've come? No, man. I just thought you I. Oh, I thought you were cool, man. Like, when we're playing video games and stuff, like, sometimes Soros would be kind of, like, annoying the troll. And, like, I didn't always trust him to because I'm like a kid. I'm self-conscious. He might be like, oh, look at you sound like a girl, bro. Whatever. This. I sounded like this. I have to be a hypocrite, my Michael. I remember ordering pizza and they would be like, yes, ma'am. Oh. It just. Crushed me. Every time. Oh that's insane. But, bro, I saw something like a girl sometimes. But regardless, there was like, you know, and plus you guys were friends. Like, you guys hung out at school together and stuff, and I felt like I was like, didn't want to. I don't want you guys to be like, guy Matthew sucks, bro. I don't hang out that guy. But every time I played or hung out with you, I was just like, Austin is like super dope. He's cool. Like, I don't have to feel like maybe he's to make me feel like shit or something like that for no reason. Yeah, I think we had a pretty good like as far as drama goes, our friend group in high school was like pretty clean. Yeah, at least like the core of the core guys. We were pretty chill. I remember having that same sort of realization whenever we went to. I think about Kyle's bachelor party. Yeah, in Shreveport or wherever we went. I remember having that same thought. I was like, man, like, is everyone like Jerry Joel? Yeah, yeah. It kind of it kind of grew over time. Yeah too. And like, what does he even up to you Jared. And he's in like Dallas somewhere. That's what I want to say too. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't think anybody really had crazy serious. Like, run ins with the law. Backstabbing you or, like, even even just, like, relationship. Within each other. Yeah. I don't think there was really ever no major beef. I think it was a rational fear. I mean, getting made fun of by your friends isn't even, like, the worst thing in the world, you know? But I was still a little self-conscious. But we definitely made fun of each other. I mean, that was dead, no doubt. But never in a cruel way. Like, never in, like, you guys weren't fucking laughing at someone's expense. You know what I'm saying? If it's funny, it's funny. But anyways, that's what I really, I thought, yeah, I thought you were a good person, even just playing Xbox with you. And I think we played basketball one time at Texas State together. Probably. We played at the YMCA. Yeah, yeah yeah we play. Yeah. I think that's honestly probably how we hung out more than Xbox was probably right. Basketball. Yeah. Yeah. I just always thought you were so cool, bro. So then finally you graduate from A&M doing doctor stuff. I was like, yo. What the fucking go, dude? Yeah, yeah. A lot of people doing, I don't, I don't know anybody that became a lawyer or I don't think I know anybody else that became a doctor. Yeah, yeah. I don't know any of the doctors. What's the other big profession? There's one more like an accountant. A little. Volleyball crazy. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he's like, he's a government. Yeah, he's on some crazy shit. Smartest sclerosis. He's the smartest guy I've ever met. Yeah, he's got to be. Oh, he's got to be easily, like. Fucking easily when the government. He's crazy to do math like you're security. You're probably like. One of the. One of the smartest people. I think such a good, such a hustle player in basketball, too. Yeah. So much good. He was a savage and a maniac on the dance floor. Yeah, that man was a fucking math. Math math genius. Yeah. And a maniac on the dance floor. Yeah. Crazy defensive point guard. You know I know, right? Like I don't want to see. Him half court trying to pick me up. Fuck that. Insane athlete. Yeah, I mean. He could jump. Ferocious. Ridiculously high. Then. Yeah. He knows guards. He can kick a dunk a tennis ball. And he's like five five. What a specimen. There's this guy. This is guy valedictorian. Wake up in a lab. Something dude. Yeah. Serious. Like a. Yeah, exactly. Very, very interesting character. I mean, smartest guy you ever meet. Like, one of the best athletes at vertically. Yeah, he could jump crazy. And his ferocity is unmatched. And, yeah, loves to party like, yeah, he goes hard. That same ferocity is. Transferred over to his like. So like a social life. He's not coming to your wedding. Dancing. Crazy like, did you invite him? I think. I want to say this on the. Party. No. Okay, I think I was. It was you about to. Find out. When you released this, Which was not like a find his address. I sent him an invite, but I think I was able to get his address. Oh, Molly, if you're listening, reach out. Reach out to. Me. I wouldn't the last time you've seen him, I haven't seen him. And the last time I saw him, he was going crazy. And. Yeah, probably same on sixth Street. I think I was, I think I was 21 on sixth Street. Yeah. Yeah, we were. Gonna be the last time I. I think I remember him going and going into the dance floor and like at this point, I think we've gone out before. I'm not even sure what context. I think we went to Galveston or to somewhere for someone else's bachelor party or something. I don't know, but we had gone up before, but then we go to sixth Street this time, and he was like, going nuts. This is going nuts. And he's like, getting girls was like dancing with them and fucking like, don't. I thought that those were around. But you know, it's like dancing with them. Yeah. Orchestrating the dance and like just bringing the high energy. But there was a at this we're like, it's towards the end of the night. And I still remember seeing him last lesson last time I saw him. And he was with I was like, I forget what spot we were at sixth Street, which club. But I know that it's like there was different rooms, more or less. And each room had a different like musical vibe to it. And in this one was like the fucking house music, EDM, like, why yes, yes, fucking going nuts. But I think. I want to I don't want to get it grossly wrong, but I know that he was like coming into like hand on hand, body to body contact with like this male who was like also kind of bringing some of that same energy. But like he was a switch hitter. He's like, no, no, no, no. It was aggressive. Yeah. Yeah. It was like the robots again the fight he. Was he was an aggressive. It was wasn't he was a very aggressive drunk. I want to say that he like grabbed him. He's either he grabbed him or he got grabbed by him. It was either way my hands were on, hands were getting touched. Bodies were. Didn't touch my hands. They weren't their own. Everybody. I take a step forward at that point. Yeah. I was like, whoa, whoa whoa. Partners. Yeah. You had to break it up. Yeah. Oh, jeez. I think I was just right there. I was like, this close. Honestly, I was probably asleep. Is that late? It was like she. She I was probably close to, like, I don't know. 132 yeah. To 2 a.m. nearing the 2 a.m.. Mark, do you ever catch a straight punch? Austin never been in a fight? Nope. Date yeah. Never been, I assume. Knock on wood. Because this happened. Oh, yeah. Knock on the wood. I'm a very adamant about to leave here. The trip. Guys. You bet you. I'm punched in the head, bro. On the podcast after me. He's an hour in. I guess he's at all. Yeah, he's in the medical field. Just a joke. Yeah, but you just. And last time we were talking about, getting punched in the face, we were like, 16 or 17. With a stepdad. With my. Stepdad. We're moving stuff in a U-Haul truck helping him out, and he's like, talking about, oh, it'll happen, it'll happen. Yeah. He's like, it's like a ride. I don't even know how the conversation came up, but he just mentioned getting punched in the face, like, oh yeah, when I was in college, I got punched in the face or something like that. He asked us, he's like, you boys ever been hit? You hit me. He said. Do you want. To? Yeah. So I said, does the vest just try to help you move? Right. It passes. I think he got knocked. That was a face or something like that. He got knocked in the face and then by something, and then he's like, hey, man, you guys ever get hit in the face? Get hit in the face? And then I told the story about getting punched in the face. You've been punched in the face. Yeah, but it was. I graduated high school and we were at my high school graduation. Like drinking party. Oh, wow. You know what I'm saying? And then there was this older kid, like 2 or 3 years older, that was hanging out with the Townees and Florence and I had dated a girl that he was in love with when I was a sophomore. That's usually one of the factors. That's that's one of the ingredients. Alcohol and a. Girl are usually a. Big factor in getting punched in the. Face. Yeah. And so I think that, we're sitting there drinking and I remember being just Drizzy drunk, you know what I'm saying? So much so I looked at this girl and I remember seeing, like, her slip into two girls and then come back into just one girl, and I was like, I'm fucked up. Yeah, but then I also was like, she's so pretty. And then both of them, I look. I walk outside, and I think it was that moment when he saw me look at that girl and be like, oh, wow, she's really pretty. He was like. This. I guess you said something along the lines of like, this girl that wants that wanted to be with me, and I broke up with her, and now I'm just looking at whoever I want or whatever. But he said that after he just walked up and fucking bar, so I'm like, just turn around and I don't even talk to this guy, like, ever in high school. I don't even fucking really ever associate with this guy. I just turn around all drunk outside. This guy's walking by me, I think. And then it's just like, right? I just, like, start bleeding and I'm kind of drunk, so I don't really hurt at all. Like, my eyes are watering up and I'm bleeding everywhere, so I'm just, like, trying to figure out what's going on, you know? Yeah. Adrenaline running. Then everybody grabs us and then they tell me to leave because that guy, like, knew the people whose house it was, and he was like, staying the night there and this and that. And they're like, you got to go, bro. You gotta go. See what he did. It's funny because we were talking about him telling that story. And then, yeah, his stepdad was asking us. We've been hit in the face. And then my response was, no, I don't think I've been like, you know, somewhat altercation, but not I don't think I've ever been hit in the face. Yeah. Never been punched in the face. And then he's like, it'll happen. It's response. It'll happen, don't worry. Or it's like it's like a rite of passage. I was like, okay. And then not even how much later? How longer? Like a month, not even a month later. We're at the concert. I thought it was that week. It I know it wasn't that much longer after we had that conversation. It could have been a week later. Because it was spring break. I thought it was on spring break, so I like to help. My mom paid the fans and we helped Steve move some stuff. And then during spring break, I also went and got tickets for Kanye West and Jay-Z. They were doing like a spring show in Austin. You saw that? Yeah. Before he went crazy. Oh yeah, it was. It was before Jay-Z got in the P nuts. Oh God. All the time. Let me talk about that in a little bit. Long time ago. But yeah, it was the last. Time I was new. I think it was. The year after maybe. Yeah. As the year after they had done the Watch the Drone tour and then they were like still doing a couple promotional. So like Samsung paid them to come out and do their watch that their own set in Austin. And then Samsung gave them anybody with the new Samsung phone free tickets. And my parents, mom and stepdad had just gotten that new phone. So I took both of their phones and I went to Austin, and then I showed them the two phones and they gave me two tickets. And then I brought them back and called Justin. And then then we get to the concert and we get there at seven in the morning and we wait until, Holy cow. Oh yeah, we woke up before. Yeah. Wow. Got there by like seven. Yeah. Then we just waited and waited until they. Went 12. Or 13 hours. Or. Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. They didn't let us in until like ten or something. Maybe like ten, 1030. And then they didn't perform to like 11, 1130. And then we got probably like one. That was one of the best and worst of the. Best days of my life. I was going to say, yeah, that was a full day. What did you even eat? There was. A shot. Breakfast tacos. I think when you first. Got there, one of you, like, held the spot. I think one of it I think, I think we had we were fucked up. We formed a queue or. No, at first we we were the first ones there. Literally the first ones there. The first one because we couldn't even we looked there was no line because there was none formed yet. Because we're the first ones. Their employees. Weren't. There yet. Yeah. And then we went to go get breakfast tacos, and then we came back. And then there was like a couple people in line. We're like, oh, fuck. Either way, though, we're still like top ten. Yeah, like first ten people, but like that first ten people and like, even like probably the first 15 to 20 people.

We were like, we were tight, but like 5 or 6: 32:58

00. We were all cool. We're always like, yeah, like, what do y'all do doing man? Like, you got books. What are you reading? Like, I. Was like, shooting the shit, talking or whatever. It's like forming a little line. So I think at that point we were able to, like, go get food. I think there was like a little sandwich shop, like within walking distance. So I got we got some sandwiches. We'll be right back. But yeah, that was a long day. Great. Yeah. You got decked. And I got punched in the face. About the female. Oh, girl. Yeah. Sorry. A woman. Like, I don't know, I can tell you. That's great. I didn't have time to ask why I didn't figure it out. Because we were top ten in the line. So we were right there. We had prime primo access, and the stage was a square stage like this. Kind of a bit larger. And then the the immediate gating outside of the fence between. So it's like edge of the stage is right here. And then up to where Talia is, is like where we were at. And then there's like that much space in between a couple like security guards. And that's like where the fencing was and the fencing was it wasn't a square. It was like they went out and then it had an angle and then flat and then an angle and then flat. So we got like on the corner. We walk in and rush right up to the corner spot. And that happened to be like probably the best spot to be because like they were standing on either side more or less of like the corners when they're performing together. And then even whenever they were performing individually, they still had like we were right there, like every time it was tight. And then so we were front row literally as close as possible. And then there's, I would say probably ten, 20 minutes into the show, I've been over that 10 or 20 minutes. I've been probably like my heels were getting stepped on and like getting like heavily pushed up against. I remember this, you know, saying, I remember the story now and is. Jumping all over me, bro. Jumping over me, stepping on me multiple times. And then I'd I probably told her twice. It's like, could you stop? Like stop, stop doing that. You know what I'm saying? You could just stop. And then by the third time or fourth time, I, like, turn my head back to relay the, the the request, the formal request. I would like to put it like a stop stepping on my heels and then. Yeah, just wear my glasses. And then it was just like, oh, my head was this way. And then my vision was blurry. It was like, what the hell? And then, yeah, I realized what happened. I was like, oh, I just got hit in the face. And then like the momentum carried my glasses off of my face towards like the. And they felt like where this like the gap was with the security people standing right there. And I was like, bro. Like she just like, hit me in the face. Could you, like, do something about this? And she's like, not really, bro. We're less young. You're a little kid. Yeah. I was like, could you at least give me my fucking glasses? You. Jesus, Carly, bro. So then, That was crazy. That's crazy. And then after that request. Like Jay-Z and Kanye West saw that happen and were like, fuck. That's what was. Like. Imagine if that was a Travis Scott concert. He'd probably be like, again, hit him again, go! All right, mosh back. Mosh theme. Yeah, that sounds great. I know he be. Yeah, I saw Patrick Mahomes working out to that song one time, and I throw it on my workout playlist that day, and it's still. There, bro. No, it's at every every time I workout, listen to it. Then they're out there were see. The video of him. He goes quiet and he hear you can hear the whole like stadium screaming thing. No, that sounds awesome. Gives you it'll give you goosebumps. It's crazy. Like, that song is such a banger. You don't even know what he's saying. What is theme? I think it's like the verb form. A fiend. Is it to fiend? That's what I tell myself to fiend. Oh, no wonder why his can't seem like so dangerous. Yeah, right. Well. Seriously, I've seen like. Okay, hold on. We have a computer for this. They're even there. Even some like weddings at weddings. They'll come out of there, you know, like when the bride and groom are announced. You know, when they come into the. Reception. They come out to feast. That's. Yeah. That's crazy. And then the whole party, the group like bridal party. Just going. Nuts. Same. Oh, shit. Let's see. I think I heard this song once. Maybe I sometimes get a little embarrassed that I'm, like, probably the whitest person you could ever meet. And I'm listening to, like, Travis Scott. Just grew up, though. We're rappers. Oh, yeah. We're listening. I think you sent me some videos about that or something. Oh yeah, sixth grade listening to a Little less. Yes, 100%. Yeah, like suburban white kid. Me on my way to my 9 to 5 job to work on Excel spreadsheets and Phoenix Point in the background. Yeah. It says, Scene is. Fiend. Addict is the first definition of. That is caffeine addict. Not really. Is written about me. It says just as fiend, the caffeine. Fiend, but that. It says, the next one says to have all the time or want more to crave for. Usually a substance like drugs or nicotine from a drawer. Or, sounds more like The Fiend. Yeah, that sounds more realistic. Someone wants something very badly. I've been feeling. Let's just Google that's Urban Dictionary. Sure it. But honestly, you just can't. You can't copy paste. It's like Wikipedia. It's not necessarily exactly what people are using on the street. You know, talking about. What does. This mean? You've ever seen his concerts? I've seen a couple. You know, he's like autotuned the whole time. He he talks. Really? Yeah. He was, it was a funny video of him, like yelling at a security guard, but so his voice is autotuned, so he would be like. Hey, yeah, stop, stop. You using the comedian. That's like, does the the shows where he's like. And I came out about the closet and and he puts the mic in front of people's faces and then they'll like, sing into the Auto-Tune and everyone goes nuts. It's not Bo Burnham. No. Okay. But it's some guy doing a bit like that. Okay. But I don't know. He's so popular, but I don't even get it. He really is just singing on Auto-Tune and riffing with the crowd for like an hour or two. And he sells out. It just sells out. Wow. Yeah, I up, pull this guys up. His stuff was great. Adlibs. Yeah, you had to do in like middle school where you just fill in the blank, oh my god. Yes they were though. Those are some of the funniest. This is the funniest things ever. Especially as a middle schooler. He. Oh yeah. And you put like poop. I went to the big red poop. That went. Downstairs and ate. A poop turd. I'm gonna put poop. Twice in a row here. They don't see it coming. They'll never see it coming. Yeah. So that was, that was my getting punched in the face experience. I don't even know. So be careful now. I've never even been in a brouhaha, you know, like, I've, I'm really trying to think of, like, the most aggressive encounter I've ever been in. No brouhaha. So I don't even know my brother. And like, his friends with, like, hold me down and twist my nipples. I was like, ninth grade. That's fucked up, bro. I didn't fight back. I, I liked it, I didn't fight it. Oh, oh, that's not that's just called bullying. I'm sorry. That's not a fight. You're right, you're right. I'm with you. I got titty twister so bad that, like, my nipples were. My chest was bruised. But it's almost. Remember? Jason. Jason. Jason. He was the varsity basketball player. Yes, I was afraid of him. And Cody Biggs would like, hold me down and twist my nipples. That's insane behavior. For, like, seniors to that kid. Like it's fucking malicious. I wonder what that guy's up to nowadays. What's funny, though, is I. Cody Biggs is like one of my best friends. You know, we played World of Warcraft. Oh, yeah. When his friends graduated. Right? When he graduated. And he stuck around, like, I would just hang out with him and he knew, like, I'll just. Yeah. And play basketball. Oh, fucking. What's it called? We would go. This is insane. We would go to the gas station, get Mountain Dew, Kit Kats, Reese's Pieces, go play basketball. The YMCA after eating all that and then come back and play World of Warcraft all night. Dude. Yes. And that was the, I guess he had the YMCA, but there was another spot too. I'm trying. I remember the name of it. Not Oak Ridge, not the outdoor park. Oh, yeah, those are right. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Man, that was wild. I remember being like, because Jason was. He was like the varsity, like point scorer. Yeah. He was going Hayes their best. He was like six. 566. Probably. Yeah. Somewhere in that ballpark. Which is hilarious. It's like a point guard in the NBA right. Yeah. He was a big man. Yeah. You can't ask. What's the NBA. Doing his thing. But yeah I was like think I was crazy. But he was he was an asshole. Like he was real mean to everybody I think. Yeah he had a different kind of personality. I'll call. That's my publicist. Yeah. He was a little different. You never had a run in with this guy? No, he was more quiet. He was more quiet. But I think he was held to different, like. Brooding energy or smoking. Always out for those demons. I don't. Bump in that I him, I. Kill you. Yeah. He was. Yeah. He wasn't very, very loud from my room. No, he was like super chill. Yeah. Very like very quiet, but mean. Yes. Brooding? Yes. When? Who broods? When are we watching? Well, sorry, this is an ad, but to get through this one. But this is the guy who does the live Auto-Tune comedy shows. That's crazy popular. I want to tell you, but I feel ashamed. Like it's like a Bo Burnham. It is. I have seven roommates. I know there's Benghazi in the bottom right corner. That's a guy was telling. You about this guy. The guy with the white hair. Yeah. The rest of you didn't get your shit together. You know? Oh. You don't. I love having a girl. A girl world is the only world. That I know. I've seen this guy. And when you only know one world, the other world is like, you know, like, I don't understand it. Like it's. It's a while. But she plays with her friends. It's. I like his. Jacket. But but buddy wanted me to watch his son. He was right. What are you saying about this guy? He's clean. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. The messenger. I should give eight watches to his one watch. Worried about having gray hair hold. I think that goes. Yes. He's 40. Wait, what's your guess? He's, like, under the 45 year. I had a lot of love in the comments. On a leash. I think he, and, he and Shane Gillis are like the two big comedians right now. Really? Yeah. I don't know. You've probably heard of Shane Gillis, right? Of course. I mean, he's. He's on Joe Rogan personally and Trump and. Shit. Yeah. He does the oh. Like the down syndrome joke that. Is. Yeah. Yeah yeah yeah. Or a job giant is let's go. This is where I get confusing this guy because he's like not he's not like a I mean, he might be a musician, but he's over there. He actually says he's not making. Yeah, but he's not making it his bit. It's his base. Material. And he just has this like blend of, like, auto tuning. Isn't it interesting? And people are like, that. Does sound like Bo Burnham. A little bit. Right? Weird. But Bo Burnham blew up like crazy over Covid, you know? Yeah, he he blew up. He released that special. I do remember what it was. But. It was like him. Tiger King. There was a weird. Yeah. The first, like, six months of the pandemic had a bunch of weird shit. We got a little. Crack on it. Yeah, yeah. We'll go a little nuts. Like. The bubble. NBA championship. Yeah, that was pretty kind of real weird to look at and. Yeah. See, like the virtual fans. Super weird. Everybody always. Yeah. Very weird. It was kind of cool though. It was kind of cool that there is whooping. There is whooping out there. There's no I didn't like the no the no crowd. It was weird as a viewer, but I thought like, it would be so cool to have money to be like one of the people sitting in that chair, like, you know, you're in your own chair, but if you're gonna spend like thousands of dollars on that, that sucks. What do you what do you guys think? Since, you know, a lot of those people in the bubble shot better than ever because they. And I think it was because of their empty stadiums. Do you think that's true. Is it like shooting in practice basically. Yeah. Right. I think I think there's a. Like when you played in basketball were you nervous at in front of the home crowd in front of the away. Crowd. I'm nervous before every performance or every game. Like I get butterflies no matter what. Like even stupid shit I get butterflies for. Like, in like, I feel like even if you get used to that, you're still going to be less than when you have nothing like in practice, right? Like, that's why I like the bubble. They probably had a lot less to be nervous about. I think that's. A weird. Way. Yeah. So yeah, not being observed as much. Yeah. It's a little bit less pressure or nine less pressure. But yeah, it's a different variable. You're kind of turning. It's like okay I could just I guess do I just go out here. Yeah. It just maybe less informal or more informal, less formal. Yeah. I was thinking like, Michael Jordan. Reggie. Reggie Miller says in The Last Dance that when Michael Jordan was filming Space Jam, that he had a basketball court built there, but he didn't just, like, bring the Bulls out there. He just, like, gave open invitations to the homies in the league. And so that eventually it became like to where Reggie Miller, once he got invited to that game, there was no way he was ever missing it because it was. He said, the best basketball that he'd ever been a part of his entire life. So like Shaquille O'Neal, you know, Reggie Miller, Michael Jordan, Stockton. Scottie, all the killers at the time. Yeah, like the nastiest players that were. I mean, not like, who's the guy on the Knicks that they hate so much? They left him off the dream team. As they. As. You're right. Sorry, sorry. Yeah. Like, they didn't invite him, right? Or people they didn't rock with. But still, though, I'm saying I think there's something about that closed gym feeling where, like, you're getting more loose, you get more intense. You know? So I think they probably just felt like that. Or like, like you said, if you shoot 20,000 shots in practice and your practice percentage is way better than game percentage, and then now all of a sudden the game feels exactly like practice, right? You might just translate that percent. I mean, like these NBA guys are hitting like 90 out of 100 threes in practice. It's crazy. But they shoot they shoot 40% in games. What is that. What do you think that is. Oh I mean part of it is you're not being guarded in practice. I think you're a lot more in rhythm. Like you're those 100 threes are all coming in a row, whereas you may take a three and then may not take another three for another eight minutes. Yeah. Okay. It's just. Sort of irregular. It's different. Momentum. Yeah. Emotions. But like, Dwight Howard is like a notoriously terrible free throw shooter, and he hits 80% of his free throws are in practice or something crazy. And in, in the game shoots like 40%. It's just it's something. And he's. Mentally. When you just get a therapist. Or right spot to see this podcast. Sports psychologist kitchen. Bodies. Like yeah good hypnotists. MJ 38. My favorite part I didn't. Expect to catch strays like whoa, whoa Dwight. Howard if you're listening bro, come back to the NBA star. Come on. The podcast. Oh yeah here we go. But just go back to. Episode 69 Dwight Howard Dwight Dwight, thanks for coming. On the podcast. Had to buy. A special chair for you. You probably come on for 69. He's kind of a funny guy. I was funny a word, right? Yeah yeah. Yeah yeah. Yeah, an interesting guy for sure. I think he's in like China right now or. Yeah, he's somewhere something like. Yeah I think he's with the Taiwan Tigers or. Yeah, I don't know Gao. Jong. Sick. I want to get to get to get to this guy Howard place. You pull it up. Yes, dude. Okay, well, I wanted to talk about that. Okay, well, we talk about anything, but I also wanted to ask you about, like, what's your what was your, like, medical med school experience? College experience. How was all of that going down? So I went to, A&M. Didn't think I'd be a doctor the first year. Didn't really know what I wanted to do, but I started getting good grades. So I was like, I'll just be a doctor. My mom was a nurse practitioner, so I kind of thought, I'll go that medical route. I have an older brother, right? Yeah. What? He wants you to. Right? Yeah. He went to UT and, really struggled actually, in college. He kind of, like, broke up with this girl, his girlfriend, and sophomore year or something got, like, super depressed. And then that's like the worst time you want your depression to hit. So he kind of like, tanked. Okay. He was going to go to med school. Because he's very smart. He finished, he was like 13th in his class. And then, I don't know, I ended up somewhere like 20 or still pretty high. But, So he ended up, like having a real bad GPA. Did, like, finally he took like five years, four and a half years of grad, five years, I think, to graduate. And, was like, kind of working this research lab job, just like basic science lab, which doesn't pay very well. And then my mom knew someone who worked for some drug company they hired him and he, like, kind of worked his way into Pfizer. The big like. Oh shit. Company. Whoa. And now he's, like, really balling out because he's in whoa. He's in pharma. Big like big pharma. He is big pharma. Yeah yeah yeah. Wow. So he's he's making a lot. That's crazy. They're moving to Hawaii actually. It's kind of. Crazy. What your brother. Yeah. Oh wow. Yeah. That's cool. I missed the part when he wasn't doing well in school. But then to getting the job at Big Pharma. That just was like networking. One of those who got the. Job know my mom knows somebody like. That. Yeah, yeah, yeah, she. Like, hooked him up because, Oh, one of my mom's patients, I guess, was like a employee for a similar company to Pfizer. So he started working for them. And after like, 5 or 5, like 5 to 6 years working for them, got enough experience and then like, switch to Pfizer. Wow. Yeah. That's crazy. I like, he didn't have a degree or. Yeah, he does have a degree. He does have a degree. But like, you know, he had a GPA that like, would have he wouldn't have gotten into like med school or anything, right? So it was just kind of a, I don't know, somehow got into the pharmaceutical. No. Yeah. For sure. So your brother's a Pfizer? Yeah. Dude. That's crazy. Yeah. Holy shit. I know, it's great job. They're lucky. Taken over. Advertisement. And I. Think they. I mean, they're like, we're talking billions and billions and billions of dollars of cash. Yeah, dude, that's a lot of money. Yeah. So then, anyway, I was a nerd. I studied hard, got, like, really good grades in med school or. Sorry. And, applied to just the Texas schools just because it's a lot cheaper to go to med school and state. So I applied, went to Baylor College of Medicine, which is in Houston. It's actually kind of confusing because they used to be Waco associated with Waco. Yeah, but then they got divorced. Oh, but they. Kept the name. Just. Like, kind of like kind of like your kids. If you got a divorce, they keep the name and keep the last one happened. Yeah. So they're in Houston. It's actually the best. I don't want to brag. It's like the best med. School in. Texas. In Texas? Yeah. It's like Baylor school. Like top 15 in the country. Nice. Yeah. And so Baylor has clout. Yeah. So that's where I met Talia. We met in anatomy. Kind of nasty. Smelly. Yeah. Smells like formaldehyde. So we started dating my first year med school, and, she's way smarter than I am, so I basically just, like, copied all her tests. Perfect. All the way through. So we got the same grades, and then I graduated, and, so we actually were we both graduated, like, near the top of our class. They were like seven students who got this, like, one honor. And we were two of the seven, right? Oh, shit. Yeah. So basically, like. You know, let's say it wasn't. Yeah. I mean, yeah, same, same incoming freshman class. I mean, basically the only really like, I, I'd always tell people like, I'm not smarter than anybody. It was just like discipline. So. I always studied. A lot more. I always woke up early, was like, every day doing my studying stuff. I wish I had. My friends in college and. That that actually is, like, carried with me even now. Like working out. Yeah. Like that. It's just like becomes a part of your, your every day. Once you get the benefits too long, you're like, object the motion. States of. Motion. Oh, yeah. You know. It's just a part of like, my life. I don't even think twice about going to the gym. Don't even think twice about it. Anything like that, studying stuff like that. It's just doing the dishes. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I. Just get it done. So we. Here's where it gets weird, though. It was. It's not like any other normal job. So when you finish medical school you get to pick a specialty you go into and you apply to it. But it's not like a bunch of places will offer you a job. You apply to all these programs. And there's like this algorithm. So you submit a rank list and say, I want I ranked Baylor number one or Harvard number two and stuff like that. All those programs that interview also submit a ranked list of the people they interviewed in like some algorithm matches, like the top choices. Okay, so you don't get to pick where you want necessarily. Like if you're number one on your list. Hated you very low. Never go getting. It. You'll never get your. Number two had you very high. They're just going to mess you right. Nailed it. Yeah, you nailed it. So you're kind of assuming that whatever you get is the best. You were like, you true. Trust in the algorithm 100%. Okay, 100%. You will you will match to whoever liked you the most. Probably. So hopefully your number one. Like, here's the problem. Yeah. What if your number one like your number five, but your number three like your number one. Exactly. You go to number. Are you just like the latter. Yeah. Wow. But that would suck though. You'd be like, no. Yep. And like, you could be like me, who is Texas my whole life and ended up matching like, I don't know, Wisconsin. And I'd be like, oh, this is awful. Time to be. Stuck. Like, you really, really can't do much for the most part. Oh, and the other thing is, like me, I switch specialties. That's also pretty tough. So I had to redo all of that. I had to go back through that algorithm again. So I initially matched into child neurology. And then it was just way, way too sad for me. Like I was okay. So I worked at the Y with you. I love kids like absolutely love. Yeah. We worked at the YMCA summer camp. That's one of the funnest, most fun jobs. Easily one of the most fun times of my life because we were waking up at like 5 a.m. working out at the YMCA. And that's another story I think we need to get to because, like, you're the only reason I am like a fitness guy. Let's go. Yeah, like, oh, I love you, bro. Ties back into the discipline. But yes, big time for a summer all time. We were like, why don't we lift legs? And then you're like. You were like, I don't know. And then the next week he came back and he was like, all right, we're doing legs. I could not. Walk for three days. Dude. Yeah, but we went from no leg training to a brutal, like. Hardcore high volume leg workout. Would you start with. And, Oh. Like squats. Yeah. I got maybe. Like, you know, leg press, like we did, like the full bodybuilder, you know, going for sets of, like, six exercises, right? I could not get off the. Couch because my father says one can't get up the toilet if you ever was. Fallen in public because you're so sore. My butt cheeks are currently source, like, going up the stairs. Just. That was actually a little dangerous. Sometimes there's, like, almost public ramifications. Like I'll be when I was at the restaurant, I'd be giving someone a tour or something. And then I, like, stumble because my leg is, like, sore and I stumble into another guest chair or something like that. And then I got to like, oh, I'm not drunk. I'm just fucking. Destroyed right now. I know, I just. Need to clarify when I say my butt cheeks are. Sore, because it's. Probably because I was doing like, some Bulgarian split. Squats. There we go. Yeah. That's why. All right. Verification. But just so we're clear. No, no cheat class. So yeah, just so we're clear about why. Yeah. Yeah. No, but there's some times where you got to be like, I just left. I just left as well. Yeah. If you don't have the deer legs, you know, coming out of the gym after a after leg day, something's off. It's like, yeah, you got. To be a little wobbly. A little bit. Anyway. So I imagine at your neurology it was just too tough for me. Like. Yeah, it was brutal. Oh, man. It's rough and it's it's hard, man. Residency. You're working. So tight. Neurology is like brain. Yeah, the brain like kids. Kids with seizures and, like, developmental disorders and stuff like that. Damn. And the tough part about residency as you're working, like, probably at least six hours a week and then on the harder, harder weeks are like 70 to 80. And that's I'm not even talking about surgeons work 100 hours a week, guaranteed. Like no doubt, five, 5 a.m. to 7 p.m. like Monday through Saturday. They'll be off like Saturday or Sunday. Damn. It's like grueling, grueling stuff. That's crazy. Yeah. So I just I was lucky I decided I didn't like that. And I just switch into radiology, which is what I was thinking about also doing. I was between the two, and I like interviewed with some with this program here in San Antonio and they were like, oh, we have a spot. Someone left our program. So we have a spot you could take immediately. You wouldn't have to like, take any time off. Cool. Like done like I'll move there tall. His parents were from here. So I was like, oh, I actually, when moved in with them for a few months, like, till I got my situation here set up and so and then so she was still she was finishing dermatology in Houston. So we were apart for two years, but, so now I'm in my last year of residency in radiology. And it's kind of more confusing. But now I do a fellowship. So this is like I did radiology, but now I'm going to do neuro radiology next year. So that's just brain. Brain x rays. Yeah. Well MRI yeah. Yeah. There we go. Yeah. There we go. So any time you get like a chest X-ray, like CT, Cat scan, MRI, like that's the stuff I, I will look at that and then like tell you what's going on that side. Yeah that's. Really cool. Doing it is cool I love it. I'm like because I'm a nerd. But, the one downside is like, you don't really get to see many patients, so some people don't like that. So it has kind of pros and cons. So it can be like a little boring sometimes. I guess. Yeah. Do you consider that a pro or con versus AI in regards to, like not seeing the patients? It can be both like. Right. I had so me I had so many like when I this is just thinking about like my time at pedes. I mean I had just like the coolest patients, right? Like funny little little boys, right, who are just, like, super cute, like you. Just those are the best. And then you also have, like, the really sad ones or like, difficult parents who were frustrated and scared and stuff like that. And those are, like, even more draining. So it's kind of like overall, I do like, personally feel less emotionally drained in radiology than I did in pedes, I can. Imagine, but. Other people are like, no way would I like she would be like, for no way would I ever want to sit in front of a computer, like all day. Right? You know, not interact with people. Luckily for me, like, you're kind of with your. Group. In a room. So, like, you do interact with people every day. It's just not. Not like a patient. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel that I could I can empathize with that hundred percent. Yeah. Okay. So because yeah, we were going from the restaurant and like talking to people literally. Right. Hundreds every day until like just editing on the computer. Isn't that so exhausting. Talking to people. On, like. Having to be a. Server you have to be on. And I felt that way as a pediatrician, like when you would you every time you're like you because you're like presenting you have to present yourself. Yeah. Someone who's like confident knows. What's happening here. Yes, exactly. Exactly I can and I. Come home from those days and just be like, oh my gosh, I'm just exhausted. I didn't do anything right. Like I didn't do anything that you would think would exhaust you. But because you're just walking and talking mostly so you feel like you're not doing manual labor, you know what I'm saying? Exactly. Yeah, exactly. But physically stressful. But like, I feel more worn out doing that than something like physically stressful. Yeah. Yeah, I can empathize or. Yeah, whenever we would even like, sometimes it's like whenever we would make music or go to the studio or like, we edit for a long time. It's like, I didn't really do anything, but like, I'm just like. So yeah, just like, yeah, it's a that like mental processing is like, oh my, my brain processes going. So that's a different. Kind of fried. Yeah. Yeah. Mental fried. Like I felt that in radiology because you're like thinking a lot all day but you don't even move. Yeah. It's kind of like. You ever traveled for a long time in one day, like in a car ride or like on a plane? Yeah. You're exhausted. You get there and you're like, I've sat on my butt for 13 hours and am more exhausted now than. I need a nap. Doing anything else. Yeah, right. It's like after Thanksgiving when you eat all that food. Yeah. The first thing you do is go to sleep. And you take a little nap. No, but I did have to deal with that demon of, like, being on all the time, especially at the end of being at Blue Prime or the last restaurant we were at. Yeah, because I had kind of I climbed up the highest to take the most responsibility that I'd ever taken. Right. But I'd also been doing it longer than I'd ever been doing it. So just like having to be like, just just turn it on, you know what I'm saying? Every day, it just got to the point where I was like. It was like a, a boxing match. And I know, I know, it's like, kind of up on my ass. I know I'm getting tired, but I still got, like, make sure I shake everybody's hand. Look everybody in the eye. Yeah. Address everybody here. Their feelings connect with people. But I'm still I'm like to some degree, not very, ex extroverted. Yeah. I definitely would rather chill inside and just do the editing. So when we did make the change and I was just like the first week, my body, I felt so, so different, like almost definitely more well-rested, but then also kind of restless because I was used to, like, engaging more, you know, so was a big transition. Yeah. But learn to turn off. That, to say also that like, what you do really determines like what you're you got to have some kind of balance that you like your life being, you know. Yeah, that makes sense that you would want to walk away from that situation with the child because you don't. I assume you didn't like how you felt every day or after a month or after. Like the kind of what we decide is like, I had higher highs, but a lot more lower lows. Like, I feel like the lows were a lot more common than the highs right here is like steady. It's just even keel. Like every day I'm like, this is great. Right? I don't have any lows. You know, the highs. I still have some, like, awesome days, but like, overall, I just really like I love what I do, and I'm happy I. Switch. That I'm over. What I'm saying. Ride the roller coaster of highs and lows. Yeah. I don't want to do that shit anymore. It's just. That's just not worth it. No. And life gives you sweet moments. That's like something I tell myself all the time. It's like life. Life will give you. Everyone gets sweet moments where something happens and someone says something. That's ironic in a way to you that no one else knows. Like you're going to get natural highs. But you could just try to curb some of those lows with your energy instead of chasing more highs. With what? That energy? No. Yeah. I hate I'm like a creature of habit. So when my schedule is not predictable, that's when I, like, really get stressed out. And that's kind of what that was. I didn't know when I was, like, getting off coming home. It just every day you'd be like, man, what is going to happen today that's going to like. He screw. Things up. And now I'm like 8 to 430 every day and I work like maybe like every fifth or sixth weekend. So it's not not really too bad. You had, did you have, like, colleagues you were working with at the neurology? Yeah. Place. And how do they how are they coping with their. What were they what were their feelings towards. The you know, it it's kind of like, a fraternity in a way. Like you all are struggling so much. They bond so closely. Yeah. The one thing I say, man, I was like, I love my co-residents so much because like, we went through, like, war together. It felt like, seriously, like you're in the bunker together. You're like typically like one person's on call overnight. You go see him in the morning. You're just kind of like, you just want to, like, give him a hug. I'm glad you. Survived, brother. Like, I'll see you tomorrow night. See you next time. Yeah. Dude. I mean, they're the best. I mean, they're the smartest. Nicest. Like, they all knew how to have a great time, if you know what I'm saying. Like, that's the cool part about them is, it seems like everybody's super well-rounded. I feel like, I don't know what the perception of doctors is, but, like, like I said, I mean, they were the coolest people. Like, you're in fantasy football leagues with them hanging out, like talking about the most random stuff. Like, there's this guy Daniel Wing. He's like one of my best friends from med school. You guys love the dude. He's like, that's that. Next time when you're ready. Yeah, I think so. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. The Asian guy. Yeah, yeah. He's like an orthopedic. Surgeon, like genius. But he's like super into Kanye. Super into music. Chill, dude. Yeah that's awesome. Yeah. So everybody's like super well-rounded. But they're cool with like the lows. So they were like. It's just kind of one of the things I just got to accept some. I think they were better than I was at, like dealing with that sort of stuff and kind of, I think a lot of them maybe knew more what they were getting into more than I did. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Them. I, I kind. Of just, I guess, you know, you only do about a month or so of every rotation. So like, some people have different experiences. It's not a very big sample size of that makes sense. That's why I feel bad for like surgeons who may do like two months of something and be like oh that was the best. So I'm going to do this for the rest of my life. And then 100 hour weeks are stacking up and they're like. This is awful. This is yeah, the worst. I know you feel trapped, which is it's kind of weird that like, some of the most academically successful people can't switch jobs. Yeah, right. Like these are the most successful people. They try out their whole life. They don't have. A real free body. Like, it'd be like NFL players. I only they kind of do sign contracts, which is kind of like similar. But they can, you know, somewhat decide where they want to go. Yeah. Like. Demand a trade. Yeah. When they get to free agency. Yeah. How long are the contracts with the hospital? Every residency is different. Mine was like five years, for example. That's about a contract for a quarterback. Yeah, some are three. Like orthopedic surgery is five. Neurosurgery is like eight because it needs to be eight. Yeah. Yeah. You're you don't want to eat surgeries. Nuts. Yeah. You don't want to go to a you don't want to have brain surgery and be like what's up man. He's like My first year, second week. Well that's the thing though, right there. Like there are people who have been operating for 20 years watching the guys who've been operating for two years. Make sure nothing goes wrong. What would you say that the the, well, groundedness of the people that were in your program was correlative to the fact that being in that program took I mean, not everybody can do it. Yeah. It was it was definitely a so I went to I was I stayed in Houston for that at Texas Children's Hospital, which is like it was considered at the time, like the number three ranked program in the whole country. It's like a I don't know if you've heard of Texas Children's, but it's like, I think it's the biggest children's hospital maybe in the world. Wow. Houston. So it had it was like massive, massive residency, program in like huge hospital system. So it was like kind of like the pinnacle of pediatric health care. Nice. Basically. So like everybody, there was a star D1. Yeah. Every. Exactly. It was like a bunch of a bunch of LeBron's. Running like that's Alabama's. Like the LeBron from Wyoming was there like the LeBron from Iowa was there. They were like we're all coming to that's crazy. The Texas shortage. They are then like I I've seen what a lot of them have gone and done. Like you know a lot of them became like cardiologists and ICU doctors and stuff like that. So they're all like doing crazy things. I'm still like, man, I'm still in. Residency. Watching. Like seeing them like graduate has been kind of crazy, actually. It's kind of sad. And, yeah, that's wild. I feel like when. Because you change, right. That's that's why you. So you had to go against and because of that change you incur like extra basically a whole nother reset you had to do. Yeah. Basically like I basically lost. So this program is like the same number of years, but because I spent like two years doing PEDs, I basically like lost 1 or 2 years. In the end. So it's not a big step back. But when you had the moment. 1 or 2 years. Where you slid into the, the, it's a residency program here in San Antonio that you slid into because of the spire exchange. And then with the, the, her grandparents or parents. Yeah. Parents living here in San Antonio. Did that feel like almost like you made the right decision and that. Lined up right. Believe me in retrospect, because all at the time it was kind of an unknown. But, I mean, things have not worked out better, right? Isn't that, I'm really, like, not proud of you is a weird word, but, like, I think it's awesome how you were willing to reset and, like, walk away from trying to find a better balance for your life and willing to, like, be humble or not have an ego or take sacrifice, whatever it was that you had to do with yourself to take that step away from where you were at, to rebalance, and then to see life kind of like meet you halfway and then feel like you're in a better place. Yeah, that's such a translated message for people. Like any that's kind of what the podcast is about too. But like, that's a really cool man. That's awesome. Yeah. And now you get this happy life and you're like well balanced and doing well. No. Yeah. It was it was a big risk for sure. I didn't know what I was getting into where I was going. Like I didn't really know much about this program. Kind of heard like mixed things about it. It's kind of, I don't know, like, just comparing, like, this program to Texas. I was just talking about I was like, the top in the country. This is probably, like, more in the middle ground. It's not like a big name place. It's San Antonio. But, it's been great. Yeah, it's. I've loved it. That's badass too. Yeah, that's crazy man. So cool. Yeah. I was. Married here. Yeah, bro, I was there. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. Fans love it. Dude. What was, what was, your the college or I guess medical med school. Was it like crazy studying every week nonstop? Yeah, I could, I mean. I did more flashcards than you could even count. I it's a it's an app on your phone. It's actually pretty sick, so I wish we had this in high school. They there's this guide to this project. Basically, there's this, like, theory of learning called spaced repetition. And it makes sense intuitively. The idea is like you, if you don't know something, you need to see it a bunch of times to learn it. And the more often you see it, the more you'll learn it. But like, the more well you know it, the less often you see it. And so basically, this flashcard program has this algorithm that's saying based on how many times you miss it, you don't know it, and how many times in a row you get it right. You very clearly know it, and it spreads things out over time. So that, like the things you don't know, it'll keep slamming in your head and the things you do know you won't see for another few days, another week, like stuff like that. So that's kind of like basically a hack. Like a learning hack. It literally is the way you're, like, hacks your brain to memorizing information. So I just did that a lot and ended up getting pretty good grades and power training. Yeah. What's your plan? I think I know you were telling me in A&M, I think I might be thinking of A&M times because I think I remember you telling you saying that you were playing a lot of, melee. Oh, that was med school. Okay, okay, okay. These nerds. Dude, I don't know what happened. I was a baller at melee. I thought, bro. I remember playing that with you. Yeah, yeah, me use that character. And so we we played that almost every day. I of the YMCA. I like after a couple months in med school found these guys playing mate. There was a Gamecube in the med school, and I was like, I gonna go wipe the floor with. These fucking nerds. And unreal how good they were at Super Smash Bros. Melee. Like, it was crazy. They they were like, watching video, you know, all the YouTube videos. The streamers and shit. And they do that, like, you can hear the. The controllers across. The, across the building. Yeah. Basically because they're, they're just clicking so loud. Yeah. So they all played Marth in the Fox or, or Falco because those are kind of like the tier. Oh yeah. Guys, you got to be. And so I was I was one of the worst players at that point. So then I just started playing with Jigglypuff. So I would jump. They would all play against each other. I would jump and then do the roll in the corner. And while they were fighting. The last one of them. And so they would have to dodge me while also fighting. That's correct. Other people was pretty funny. Yeah, yeah. Like we got we got super into melee. Yeah. It became a part of the map. You got to have an outlet. Like even when you're studying all the time, you got to have something to to de-stress. So that's I would play basketball and I kind of like broke my ankle actually, for sure. It came down on a guy's foot. Just landed wrong. Yeah. She was there. It was. Bad. Nursing back to health. It took. It took probably like it's still not back, but. Oh, no, really, I. Was limping for like, eight months. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You never got, like, looked at looked at. No. That's. That's my. Guys. My dog right there. As a radiologist currently I'm. Like. Dang man, how did you not get an X-ray on. That? And that thing. That thing was broken for sure. I could be like guarantee it. There's like a rule of thumb you have, if you like, sprain your ankle to get an X-ray. If you can't take four steps on, like, weight bearing steps, you should go get an X-ray on your own. Yeah. Four steps. Yeah. Four steps. Rule of thumb. Yep. I could not. Sing. Like crutches. Nope. Did I have crutches? I think I did have crutches, actually, my mom got me some crutches. Holy shit. My mom, by the way, was a nurse practitioner. Did not say, go get an X-ray. I don't know what she was doing. It's a it's gonna be fine, by the way. Yeah, that's another thing. Like, my mom was the best mom ever. But love mystery. My health care, like, in retrospect, was kind of strange. She would always. She was the most, like, tough it out really ever. Yeah. I mean, I never saw a doctor. She would just be like, all right, dude, just stay at home, like, eat some soup and go back to school when you're ready. Yeah, yeah. Take a couple of days off, do some. Water, come in and get your shots. Like that's it. That's hilarious. The different time. Yeah. Different time. No for sure I hope our kid Mike we don't have kids yet but eventually we'll tough tough them up. Yeah. The e nails. Okay. Couple nails kids come on dude. Yes love love it I would love that I guess. Would you care for. Do you have a preference as far as boy versus girl. Or. One of each I think would be fun. Yeah, I definitely I think I want a girl first. Really? Yeah. Why. No no. I like daddy's girl is kind of always been something that's like I just feel like boys gravitate towards the mom and. And the girls like she loves. I don't know if I should say this on the. Public podcast, but, like, she's such a daddy's. Girl. I would like that. Yeah. It's a cool shift I, I. Don't want your mom to be watching this and be like offended. Oh no I'm like I'm okay. It's out of the bag. Huge mom has she. Has a favorite. Yeah I love my mom I think you are two of course right. Yeah yeah SM yeah, I love your mom. So I'm I'm I'm so. That's probably why. That's the only reason. No, I wanted a boy my whole life. I never once thought about having a girl. Like, ever. I never thought of a girl name. Never thought about. Like I think about. I think because I was so into the sports and then. Yeah, that's. That's the one iffy for me. Right. Yeah. The sport factor. And I always told myself like, if I would have know what I know now, if someone would have known what I know and then taught me that when I was like five, I no problem would have been a lot better off. But my parents didn't know the information. They didn't like train or no nutrition really, or go to the gym like that. Yeah, no, neither did I mean my. Yeah, my dad is my parents either. Your belly guy, like. Both of my parents ended up getting gastric bypass to. Wow. Really? Yeah. They just struggled with weight loss and self-image for, like, their whole life, you know? But, you know, I figured it out, so I'm, like, happy and stuff like that. I feel like I've got it now. Yeah. But, you know, girls play sports too and stuff like that, but. Oh, that's sad when, when we did have the girl though, when I'm like holding her now, it's like now that I'm opening that box of what it's like to have a girl, I actually kind of think I like this better, to be honest. I don't know, maybe I'm just really happy with what I have, but I think that the the girls are like, I think maybe 2000 to Joe Rogan, but I think the boys are kind of savages. And you're having to, like, tame them the whole time, for sure. Whereas the girls probably connect with you a little bit more, and it's probably is like, I think that the problems that they're going to deal with are going to be like a little more difficult for you to figure out emotionally how to connect with them and help them through that. The worry. About that. Yeah. It's possible. Yeah. Let them do it. I'm excited too. I feel like that's like one of the the great joys of this life is to get to to raise a kid. I think, you know. Yeah. For sure. Oh, absolutely. But like when your daughter comes up, she's like, I'm having my period. That's when you just start. I don't know nothing about that. I can't. Have you on a touchy. Beat, doesn't it? Says, give it to you. I don't have access to that quest. Yeah, exactly. Never been there. But imagine if you had to figure it out, though. Although I don't know if I want to answer the boys version of that either. Like, hey, dad, in the middle of the night. My dad gave me a book when I was a kid. Oh, really? It's like it was my parents. Well, I was probably like, why the hell does he do laundry at. Like, three in the morning? Right? Right. Every night it's just socks. Just. Yeah. There's a you have a dad. Give me a book. Anyways, a lot of questions kids. Are to have. The. What was the title of the book. Yeah. Like, you know how. To jerk it. Well, Timmy. Little Timmy has some questions or something like that. You know, it was like some kind of, like. You're probably wondering, goes between your legs. I never had that talk I had, like Zach either. Basically, Zach Givens educated. Was my sex. That's a boy. If I'm not joke. I'm not joking. Yeah, I was I say if you don't. He was talking about wanking it like the first day of ninth grade PE class. And I was. Like, what is he talking about? Yeah. And what does a kid you remember who's the guy? I'm like, oh yeah. Yeah. That's how I figured out about what jerking off. The original family Guy is still some of the funniest TV ever made. Undoubtedly. Especially to be a kid during that time. Oh my God, because it's like, I. Feel that way about SpongeBob a little bit. SpongeBob, South Park and Early Family Guy still kill me too. We had some. Yeah, right. It's still holds true. Yeah. There's nothing. There's the office. To the office. Oh yeah, 100%. Yeah. I'm saying I love the. Have you seen the bloopers for the Office? I oh. My son, you. Know, I've seen all of. Them with the one where he's talking about. Karate classes online. Have you seen that? It's like Dwight and, we. Can, like, at it. And that's. It's Gabe, you know, Gabe a character, and he's, like, fighting with Dwight, and, is it Jim or someone else? And he's, like, talking about how he takes karate classes online. Gabe. Yeah. I think I think the sounds familiar. And he keeps them. He keeps making them laugh and but he'll kill. I keep going at them with the like, with his serious acting. And they keep laughing. I mean, it just kills you. Yeah. I remember watching some of those. Dude. Oh my. God. I don't think we have volume. It's actually kind of sick that you. Guys have the TV here. Yeah, heavily inspired by Joe Rogan. Tyler. Guys, I think we. It's good. I'll tell you what. It's not even just about stream. I still, I'm taking karate classes online. I just. I mean, that writing is genius. Online karate classes. I mean. Online karate classes. What are we talking about? Like your boobs? Why don't you tell that to the great apes? Have you seen their biceps? Yeah. Your silverback. Silverback faces ever. So you're a disgrace. That disease is dead. And I know he gets up. That's got to be one of the best jobs in the fucking world, bro. Being like the actors and the camera creature. You gotta love your life, bro. That's such a blessing. That's crazy. Dude. That's awesome. Yeah. Sometimes when we're recording, like, a bit or, like yesterday we were doing some outtakes for the video we were shooting to post as, like a story with the video. Yeah. And just those are like, we're crying. Laughing like, it's just so funny when you're really in there just going back and forth. And I think that that's what they do is they practice like getting like even right now, if someone said a joke and we just kept like trying to rework the joke and like, say, a punchline, like when he said online karate classes, that just strikes me as something that, like Theo Van would sit around and be like, online karate class is funny. I'm going to pop that out right here. That's what I wonder, right? Like, how often is he offline thinking about that? I think a lot. I think all the time, yeah, all the time. And that way when you get in the moment, you could pull it out. You have that skill, right? He could shoot that three pointer. That's the thing. It's like he doesn't know when he's going to use it, but he he has it ready. And I bet he pockets pockets them too. Like I bet there's one. He says now that he said when he was 17, it's like a Baptist preacher. Like he's got some, like, classic. Oh, that's funnier than a frog on a skateboard. Yeah. You know, I'm saying he's just he's. Just got that ready to go. Y'all ever think. About, like. Yeah. It's. Probably going to pull out a proposal sometimes that he's like, he thought of last weekend, or they're just all bits, you. Know? I. Want to be a comedian. Deep down, I really do. I want to freaking. I think everybody wants to be a comedian deep down. Right, a little bit. You know who. Does. Say they're very depressed people? I don't know if you've heard that, but. Really, Like. I, I see that I don't know who says. It, like the some of the most famous comedians ever talk about how, like, there's some of the sadder, like, Louis C.K., like, has some demons, clearly. I mean, he kind of. Got Robin Williams, you know? Yeah, that kind of shit. Yeah. Like, at least at least to some, like, Theo Vaughn is talked about like he's kind of. Had a rough. Childhood. Right? Yeah. For sure. I think. That was what makes you funny in a weird. Way. Yeah. He's a lot of trauma experts on. And they always joke about how having a fucked up childhood makes you a funny person. Yeah. I mean. Maybe my purple purple's. The game. I like to. Think I was funny before. That, but I don't know. Yeah, that boosted you. Joe Rogan talks about the people that come to open mic nights and like. Get. Because it's like, if nobody does open mic for 30 years, there's no more comedians, right? So you always have to have classes of comedians starting. And so those people that show up as like, I'm going to start doing comedy are usually like not super emotionally. Well, mentally. Well, they have some trauma or whatever it is. And then he said that Joe Rogan love that about those people because it made them so interesting. And you got these really like, fascinating, like, critically thinking, funny people, but that it's like, it's kind of crazy. All those people deal with like a lot of drama and stuff. And early on it's like a, cluster pool of crazy stuff going on because everyone's all these wild people, and I don't even know if I'd want to be around people like that too long, personally, because it's it's hard not to get chaotic when you're around chaos, you know? But, but I think we need it, right? It's probably the those people that have those stories, like, if you go through trauma and you come out the other side and you understand that, and then you can get on a stage and you can you can make comedy about trauma and let people realize that they're not alone in their struggle, or that to relieve some of the pressure of it off their brain. You know, I think that that's why we pay those people so much as a society or why we give them so much of our attention or why we idolize them to a degree like Dave Chappelle. It's because it's like that thing that they're doing is like actually maybe really important. But to be a Joe Rogan, like, get to that height where you're in that position where millions of people are going to watch it. It's like it almost takes a life specific path to get there. I don't know if you could just manufacture facts or that for somebody, you know. Yeah. Like maybe that has to be your destiny. Almost. No, he's I mean, he's definitely him being that curious about so many different things. It's like the reason he's so successful. True. Right. He doesn't have it doesn't really seem like I mean he'll have he had Donald Trump on. He'll have anybody. I'm like, why is he not like a I thought he was a Kamala guy. No, no, he's a Trump guy. He. He has a strong disdain for the corruption within the Democratic Party. Okay, I see well, either way, I mean, he'll have comedians, UFC fighters like presidential. Anybody. Anyone who's willing to be interesting. Yeah, he doesn't really. Care who it is as long as it does big numbers. But your point about Chappelle, like, I always think it's funny in every like industry, there's always the geniuses that will arise. Like Dave Chappelle I think is very clearly a genius. Difference, different kind of guy. And his. Peers, who we all think are geniuses, think he's the genius. You know, that's when you know you're a genius is when the geniuses think you're genius. Different amongst a. Different. Yes. Yes. So like the when the way they talk about him is, is insane. I don't know if you've heard comedians talk about, like they watch Chappelle at, the Comedy Cellar in, like, New York City and how he can watching him, like, practice his routine. He's kind of like Kobe in a way. Yeah. He's like a killer in comedy, right? It's something that seems so casual. He's actually methodic and practices nonstop to, like, get the timing right and stuff like that. It's kind of actually cool to listen to. It's badass. Yeah. It's incredible. I am like obsessed with genius. I could listen to genius, like stories about geniuses in any field. I think is really fat. Like, I don't listen to classical music. But if you told me about, like, Beethoven and how. His company went deaf and wrote symphonies, how did you do that? Crazy. Get that right. Okay. They were saying was like, was that Bach one of them? One of those people? Wait, was it Mozart? Okay, it was Beethoven. Yeah, I got that right, deaf. Doesn't I? I'm not a genius, clearly. Like I don't even know. Plus, if. I had to guess how that happens, it's the same way you can see sounds when you're on acid. There's a level. I think there's something to that. Like why crystal ball? We love drugs. I was wondering, is it. Like, unlocks. Karina? Just your genius, I think. I think there's there's. Yeah. Whatever. Psychedelic drugs. And both of us express the feeling that it helped us to understand things on a different level. And the thing is, like thousands, however, many people will have shared your same experience. They all say the same thing of like. I went to the other side. Your sense of reality is like shifted forever different. True. That's so true. That's kind of crazy. Would you ever. Dabble? No, I personally would not. Just because, like, my family has such addictive tendencies. I. Like I said, I quit wow for, like. How long? 15 years. Damn. The minute I started playing, it was like. Like that. I was just locked in. That was a big do. Six hours a day, like in the middle of residency. Like like it's nothing caffeine, which is. It's funny, they call caffeine, like, one of the most mildly addictive substances. Like, I could not quit this ever. I couldn't imagine, like, how do you go up from there, bro? Yeah, caffeine is crazy. My, my. So my dad is adopted, right? My last name is dope, but I'm not even sure exactly. But he's adopted within his own family, so like, his, great aunt or like, I guess his mom's aunt is the one that adopted him, but his original parents super addict personality, like, literally drug addicts. Yeah. At a point, I think. Like my grandpa, like, I think we have a history of, like, alcoholism. My dad's. Side. Yeah. All the bad. All of that goes to our family, too. So I struggle with the video games, too. Like, yeah, I get it. I get locked in on a game I like to play. Right now it's Madden Ultimate Team. Oh, nice. Just it feels like I'm a businessman every day. That's cool, I love it. I could talk about it, but I get it. I get what you're saying about the video games too. What? The psychedelic drugs for me. And that's why I can't do Adderall, because I would. I want to do. It every day for sure. Yeah, I when I was crazy, I. Would be that way. Especially if it's productive. That's it. It's scary because you'll clean your whole fucking house. Yes. And your neighbor's house. Yeah. Once I heard Zach back here, he was like, he took vyvanse once. He was like, well, I studied for like 24 hours, did well, my test went and had the best work out of my life, went home clean the whole apartment like I did my taxes. All on. One pill. I was like, okay, that's nuts. It's insane. It's crazy. It's pretty rampant. I think in medical school, for sure. I was like, oh, I. Know, yeah, college for sure. Yeah, college in general. I think I remember hearing about that like in senior, junior year of high school. Like that was a really a thing that was like coming up in culture. It's like college kids are taking Adderall. Yeah. Watch out. It's like, oh shit. Good name to actually for like a drug Adderall. Right. It's not minus. Role. Yeah. Negative role. Right. Like vyvanse kind of sounds like I'm not sure what this is about. It's more vivid. You hear Adderall, and you're like. That probably is a good a good thing. Yeah. Yeah, I like those people. Like, they just want to eat for the whole day. You know? This kills your appetite. I did Adderall for, like, 28 days in a row. When we were writing our first album. But I was also, like, moving to San Antonio, slash, breaking up with my girlfriend and performing as many times as I could during that span, too. I was just like, let me just fully embrace this new life of, I'm going to move to San Antonio, I'm going to be a performer. I'm going to have to leave this relationship. It's like a lot. So then I did. But by the end of that month, dude, like, I was a wreck, bro. Like a wreck. I definitely lost a ton of way. Yeah. Was feeling like I was going to die, you know what I'm saying? Like, needed to sleep for like, 2 or 3 days straight to recover. Well, and and at that point, I wasn't performing well, like in any. It's not helping at that point, you know what I'm saying? So that's when I realized, like, this thing is like it's a plus plus plus plus plus plus minus minus minus minus. Yeah, yeah. And it's kind of like you get to the point with caffeine where it's like, if you need caffeine to put you back to zero, that's not productive anymore. You know, that only takes like three days. Yeah. When you get dependent on it. It's where you need to wake. Up. Diminishing returns. Have coffee to feel. Yeah. Woken up, you know, You don't sleep because you drank too much coffee. So then you drink more coffee and you can't sleep. So for me. The risk is that just cycle. Again, the. Risk is low with caffeine, especially. In. The sense where you're like, a very healthy 30 year old male. Yeah, 30. How old am I gonna be? 31. How old? 30. 30? 31. That's 29.99. I'm, I've celebrated my 29th birthday twice. Yeah. There we go. There we go. So you you could. Drink like a sailor, sailor for, like, 3 or 4 years and then stop and probably not have, like, crazy ramifications on your health. Yeah. So you've got. I guess what I'm saying is you shouldn't use it, but you got some wiggle room. So I think, like what? That being said, the caffeine, the stakes are so low that I feel like you shouldn't pick up alcoholism for 4 or 5 years. But if you did coffee for 4 or 5 years straight, I don't think that's like. No, I mean, we've been drinking coffee for thousands of years. It's it's one of the most studied substances. I think. People, So that's why I'm okay with the coffee. But I do weigh out these things in my mind. I'm okay with them. Like, marijuana to me. But I also just use, like, the legal marijuana that they have, the CBD or the the Delta nine altered stuff. Because I feel like the stakes are low. Like, even if I'm addicted to that, you know what I'm saying? It's all. Relative. I mean, relative to the things we're talking about. It's like one of the lowest, right? And risk things you could ever take. Right. And so that's and so I wonder, do I need to be addicted to something to like otherwise if I'm disciplined and not addicted to anything, is there a subtle thing that's inside of me just waiting to be impulsive? And the longer I'm not impulsive, how strong is that impulsivity getting? Whereas if I have an outlet for that addictive personality and I know I'm going to do that later than it, like I think it chills it out and it's like, okay, I get my time. It's not right now, but I get it. So that's the kind of this argument that I have with myself that some outlet for the addictive personality might be good therapy for the addictive personality. Yeah, I have those exact thoughts. Right. I'm gonna be addicted something, right. It's kind of fucked up to say that. I might as well pick my battles. I do, I do a lot of well, at least it's not this, you know, like, well, at least it's not, you know, cocaine or whatever. It may be terrible. Worse than. The coca. Like, deathly afraid of. Could I drink less caffeine? Yes. Could there be way worse things that I'm doing? Yes for. Sure. Yeah. But that. All of that being said, I have never once thought about being addicted to a psychedelic because it's so jarring. Yeah, that afterwards this is quoting Joe Rogan. Like you just want to go call your family, hang out with your friends, be a good person, clean your dishes. Like, just chill. You're like, okay, that was so intense. I want my little box and I just want to be. I want to be back to, yeah, back to my normal day. Imagine the first, like, caveman who thought he was eating real food. And and saw God. Yeah. It's like that's. Honestly, it could be how religion was created. Right? People say Moses and. Moses, no burning, no doubt. DMT burning bush. Yeah, yeah. There's damn bushes with DMT on them in the area. Really? Yeah. Like naturally endogenous the DMT that if that tree, if that tree would have been on fire and he would have inhaled that gas, he would have had a psychedelic experience. Yeah, it could have been something else. But it's possible. Now we just think, oh, it's a homeless guy who got on drugs. And back then they were like a prophet. Okay? So he just was around at the right time. You know, if he came around 2000 years later or however long it was, he'd be called a crazy person. In the cookie bin. And what's kind of interesting is it's almost like some human pathologies kind of mimic that in a way, like schizophrenia. People are seeing things they shouldn't be seeing. Dude, I would love to talk with this about you like that. I fucked it up. Yes, there's a guy. Yeah. Dude, I have. This video with. I feel like, sometimes when I think about, like, personality disorders or schizophrenia not being a personality disorder. Neurology, neurology disorder. Yeah. I don't know the correct terminology, but I feel like what the end result that you end up with is, like, almost like a misfiring of what a natural, unnatural thing should be. Right? Yeah. So what what is happening with schizophrenia people when they're having like, paranoia, delusions. Yeah. I mean, they have mapped in their brain they are truly their visual and auditory cortexes are like firing. Why that's the case. Nobody knows. But they're seeing and hearing things legitimate to them. Yeah. You know, yeah. Even that even that we aren't okay. But okay. Not not as a doctor or as any emotional attachment if we can just think from that psychedelic place, like, why would that happen? So, I mean, everything is can be explained biochemically. Okay. So these drugs you take are releasing certain neurotransmitters. However that pathway I don't know exactly what it is, but they're basically telling your brain you are seeing hearing things or sensing things. But they flood it. Right? So you're it's it's. More. Sensory than you would like from a normal light or a normal smell in a way. Kind of like, it's so the same way, like if I eat food, my brain releases dopamine. Cocaine is like a synthetic or natural drug that does the same thing times a thousand. That's why it's like, so addicting. Okay? It's because it's like forcing your brain to experience so much dopamine release at one time that you're like, I have to have that all the time, because that was the greatest experience like I've ever had. Yeah, it's kind of like, you can do that somehow. I it's it's all like, even with schizophrenia, like something in their wiring went wrong. And you what's weird about it is it manifests later in life, like, usually like your late 20s is when it starts to come about. So, like, some people think you can have triggers like some trauma can rewire you in some way that will cause that stuff like that. But for whatever reason, their brain is like off biochemically, and releasing things in a way that it shouldn't be in a normal sense, but yeah. I just find it so fascinating. It's pretty cool. Do you think neuroscience cool. Is it possible that they're they're seeing something that is there that we're not seeing? Sure, I would I would not rule anything out. But like the cool thing about the brain is it can make you do or see or feel anything. There's literally. This real like. That's our hub or that's like we're all of our experiences generated. Right? I mean, they're learning a lot of a lot more about these weird, these diseases people once thought were kind of fake, like fibromyalgia. I dunno if you've heard of that. It's like these people. For the name. Who just have so much pain that we could never explain it. It's kind of just like they're they're being rewired. It's like such a weird. Your brain is like, it's for, for some reason, telling these people you're having a ton of pain right now, even though we can't explain why now. My dad's one of those people. He goes through chronic pain. It's awful. Yeah. It's awful. He's doing like, he buys kilos of. What's it called? Of cocaine? No. Norco. Like. No, no, not I mean, he. So he used to get a lot of pain pills because he has had a lot of surgeries his whole life. And then it was always a joke, like, you'll save those pain pills because, you know, those are great. Anytime you have to take a pain pill because you're hurting, it's going to be an awesome time. So enjoy that. But, like, I didn't feel like he was like recreationally using it, but he just was using them a lot and then did get to a place where he was kind of addicted and then ultimately did get cut off from, like got put on a list where doctors can't prescribe him anymore because. So now he's taking kratom. Self prescribed kratom by like, like a lot like because it's such a low amount of like relief that it's taking like a lot of pills every day. And it's just like it gets to the point where as a, as a child of his, where I'm like, you know, is this pain real? You know, how bad is it? Yeah. Are you on this list because you're a drug addict or are they just are you getting ignored by the medical industry? You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And I just. But hearing you say that that stuff is is real. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Chronic pain is a very interesting field right now. Like, some people are skeptical. But I think more and more research is coming out that, I mean, it's it's like it's legit. Why? It's legit. It doesn't really matter. Right? Like the problem. The point is they are feeling more pain than is acceptable. But some of that is because like in the same way you drink coffee and get addicted to or your tolerance builds when you take a lot of pain medicine, you kind of like lower your threshold for pain. So like when you're not taking pain medicine, you're just like more susceptible to even minor or sensitive. Yeah, exactly. So kind of that's not a great place to be. But that's why the tough it out yeah motto is good. Yeah. Yeah it I don't know pain is very it's just a is a back pain. It's chronic headaches. That is. Chronic migraines. An incredibly tricky. Like. Headaches. I mean that's like a whole different ball game. Like really? Yeah. You just can't. We just don't know enough about headaches to say, like, why some people get such bad migraines and, like, respond to some, some. So there's, like, some migraines are basically your your brain's vessels dilate more, constrict like they think it's something about perfused your brain like blood flow there. So there's a medicine that constricts those blood vessels and they treat some migraines, but it's like not a big percentage. So it's kind of a multifactorial thing. Yeah. There's not one. Yeah. It's like all these they're called like psychosomatic diseases where like part of what they're feeling is just in their head. And why that's the case, nobody knows but it to say it's not real, I think is really unfair to a lot of those patients because they definitely feel it. Yeah. And the worst thing we can do is say they're faking because then they're not going to trust you, and then it's just going to get worse. I think the problem with faking, I think my dad probably did some amount of trying to play the industry or like trying to say what he had to say to get what he needed to get. Yeah, it's like the boy who cried wolf, right? And then when he's actually in pain was like, well, we've already been marked. Or even just like, let's say he has pain and goes to the doctor and then they send him home and they don't really take him seriously. So now when he makes the next appointment, he has to somehow say something different. Yeah, that captures the the essence of the help that he needs. Yeah. And I think that if you go through that process too many times. Okay, well, let me talk to this doctor and try to tell them this way. Okay. Right. That's how you end up getting like, shunned by the. Yeah. That stuff. And I don't expect you to have the answer. I was just it's interesting. It's interesting. It's very interesting. The other weird thing is like all these sort of related diseases come in clusters. So like, people with chronic headaches are also likely to have like, chronic fatigue and yeah, other chronic pain disorders and depression and like, you know, so it's like how much of that is psychological, how much of that is. At what level do we still. Oh, at what point do we say now? You gotta you gotta figure that out on your own. That is I think you have to bite it in the butt early. If, if, like your dad, I don't think it would be at that point. Fair to say. Right at this point, because he's, like, suffering pretty badly. Yeah, I do, I do agree to some extent like some the it just feels like people are less tolerant of pain and discomfort and they want a pill for everything now at this point. So that's not a good place to be true. But at the same point, like you do want to take everybody and their concerns serious, I think. That's a great answer. But the like where you're I was I was going to say something about your dad. So to wrap up what I was saying about him, is he when he you get that gastric bypass, they, they cut your vagus nerve in your stomach. And lately he thinks that that has to do with some of the chronic pain he's been having. Is that maybe the when it tried to reconnect is that maybe the wiring wasn't exactly right. This I mean, this is just random, but I don't know. I mean, we have like your gut communicates with your brain like, it sends feedback there. I mean, they send, like, you can have pain coming from your GI tract and stuff like that. I mean, there's no doubt, a lot of that stuff is so like, more and more research is coming out that, like, your whole body is connected. It's actually kind of crazy. Yeah. You're like, gut flora determines your brain development. Yes. It's it's it's. Like it's kind of nuts. It's that. Yeah. I think is that deep or. I think it's like there's another, there's maybe more abstract realm that we need to consider because I think it could be like you have your brain's in communication with everything in your physical body. But I think your mind, your mind is something else. Your mind is not your brain. Your mind is like the culmination of all your like beliefs and like your thoughts and your trauma, and you like your memory. So I think maybe sometimes people will have their brain creating things in their body that is a result of what's going on in their mind. And then 100. Percent, yeah, 100. Like who knows your brain. I don't know if you guys listening to David Goggins probably like, love him. I love that guy. I love that guy too. I do realize he's kind of a little bit of like a psychopath who's a little bit like a little shit, but, like, I if I could tell the mass population one thing is just like your, your mind will always try and trick you to do things that are easier and oftentimes like less beneficial for you. Like I'm always wants the easy way out 100%, but I mean just in like to your point where you're saying like conservation, I fully believe your brain can manifest, your mind can manifest physical symptoms. No doubt. Like no doubt. It's very weird. Yeah. Okay, here's there's a cool study. They did a study. Two studies. Now that it from like, it's like the 90s and 2000. They told these guys we're going to give you stare at the strongest. Okay. We're going to have you all bench for like eight weeks. Whoever gets the strongest, we're going to give you steroids for another eight weeks. So they then they they found the group. They took the guys who got the strongest, told them they were getting steroids. They didn't give them steroids. Those dudes got way stronger than they did the first few weeks when they weren't on, when they didn't think they're on steroids. The thought of having steroids. Did they, like, even like a placebo shot or. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Made them get stronger. Like their their mind manifested that because they thought they were on steroids. Dude, this is a danger. Then they told them. Then they told them we didn't give you steroids. They dropped. Its strength. Oh yeah. And they they've replicated those findings, actually. Really? Yes. It's very funny. Holy crap. Very funny. Okay, this just the thought. Of that you're taking steroids makes you stronger. So what if what you believe to be true will determine your biochemistry? Well, I don't know. I wouldn't say that. I wouldn't say it like, I think it plays a part. I wouldn't say like I, if I, if I, it wouldn't always manifest. Right. You know what I mean. Like, but it's certainly a part of it. Okay. Because you have DNA like that doesn't. Right. Necessarily. Like you can't, you can't think. Yeah. And become taller. There's a, there's a, there's a, there's a huge proportion of who you are just because of what your parents gave you. Right. But then like the combination of like environmental factors and what you're thinking and all that stuff every day also plays in. So it's kind of like this infinite web of like what you experience and then what your genetics say you're going to be. Wow. Yeah. I think you do have some kind of power to have a belief system. Like for instance, people say that there's a study that says if you have a religion that you follow, that you're a certain percentage less likely to incur, like depression. Yeah, for sure. Big time. And so I think that there's, there's some belief system like, like you said, it just plays into it, right? Where you could think a certain thing about reality and then your, your brains, your whole body is going to react as if that's true. If you truly believe. It, you know. Even just your mindset. Like if you're if there's so much data showing, like your, your emotional status, like it's basically just how you want it to be if you like, you know, just being a positive thinker like you basically. Right. Like you're just going to be a happier person if you the way you you can choose how to respond to stress is kind of the thought. Like you can be stressed about it or you can accept it. And like deal with it in a positive way and reframe it. Yeah, that's another interesting thing a lot of people talk about is reframing your stressors. I mean, you can't like, reframe just being stuck in traffic. I don't know how anybody. Would do that. Like. So, I mean, so I'm not I'm not stuck in traffic listening to an audiobook. This is. A good thing because as I'm listening to Trump on Joe Rogan for. Three. Hours, that I wouldn't have, you know, like, seriously, doing stuff like that is kind of a way people. Will have heard the story you're telling yourself. Hack themselves into, being more positive and stuff like that. Yeah, it's better soon. Yeah. I think. After this stuff. It's crazy because, yeah, I think we're super cool. It's I don't know, there's, I guess the words which I guess kind of hitting the wall as far as like because there is I think there's the truce on both sides. You can definitely like create your reality almost with your mindset then like, but you can't make yourself taller. You know what I'm saying exactly. You can't change it. You can't change certain things only with your mental. But sometimes if you have the mindsets of like trying to have that in better improvement than you know, I think some of the things will just come to you as you have that positive mindset, almost like a magnet. Yeah, I don't know, it's crazy, but I think there might be like so I guess the question is like, what's the limit to that? You know, how much, how much do we really create our what percentage? Yeah. How much does it really affect us? Who knows? I mean, dude, if you get to a point where you're chronically depressed at 50 and you've been chronically depressed for 20 years, versus like if 20 years ago you could have had someone in your life that was influential in helping you reframe things in a positive manner. The difference between your life in those 20 years is like massive. Like, yeah, it couldn't be much bigger than that. No, I mean, people can hate on David Goggins all they want, but like, the proof's in the pudding. How many people have said you changed my life forever by just, like, telling me to stop? Because by telling me. Yeah, it's like telling your story. Be tough. Like being seriously being tough goes a long way. Yeah. That's. I'm not even joking. Just being like, just don't be a bitch today, Austin goes a long way. Actually, it's kind of simple, but yeah. No, I know Joe Rogan is a big proponent of that. And he's like, like getting into the ice baths. You know, it's like, I don't want to get into there, but like, yeah, I, I force myself to get into. I'm a big believer that like exposing yourself to discomfort and struggle, whether it be physically like the ice baths, working out, stuff like that, it makes so much of everything in your life easier. Big time, right? Like I work out first thing in the morning. I'm like, the hardest part of my day is done. I'm just going to go to work like most people wake up and they're like, oh, I have to go to work. I'm like, oh, I get to go to work. I already done with the workout. I already conquered this thing. Yeah, exactly. I mean, that's just from a mindset standpoint is like huge for how you view the rest of your day. Yeah, yeah, 100%. It's like, I get there was a point, I guess I would say like six months ago, I guess we, we were talking on the podcast about how just it just came about about like life is such. There's so comprised of just what you do day to day. And then I found out that most of the time that we were doing day to day, week to week is like laundry, dishes and groceries. Oh, yeah. That's a lot of your life. Would you become like 30? Yeah. What would you like, an adult? And you're like, oh shit, I gotta take care of my family. I take care of the household diapers, diapers, all that shit and be buying groceries. Yeah, but like, so then I started to incorporate doing the dishes in the morning, like every morning does say, as soon as I wake up, I make it part of the morning routine, like walk the dog, feed the dog, and then do the dishes. Yeah. And like after I do the dishes and, like, make the bed, it's like a I know it's, it's such a big momentum boost. You know, I'm saying there's such small minute things, but it's the mentality behind it. Sometimes we, we joke, we'll do like an hour of chores the rest of the day. We'll just be like, yeah, I like I like Swiffer, the floor last Saturday, you know, where you, like, spray the stuff and then scrub it down. Oh my God, I was on top of the world. Oh, yeah. Seriously, is life changing. Feels so good. Do you like finishing all your tasks? Like being productive is actually kind of a weird. Like, drug in a way, right? You, like, feel so accomplished. Big time feeling accomplished, actually, is a pretty awesome, feeling life, you know? Yeah. Amazing. Even just sometimes you got to get your you got to get your moment. Like, if you're having a bad week and you can just break through one night for a couple hours and be productive, you can, like, kind of get yourself out of a little hole you're in, you know? Yeah, for sure. It's it's crazy. It's when you're talking about it, it's just doing the dishes, the small little things. But you can reshape your week. And then maybe that one week carries momentum into the month. Get you a nice back half of the year. Yeah, you could really change things for you. But it's also fluid. Like we talk about, like when you see a homeless person on the side of the street, like it's always kind of jarring, right? It's like, I don't know. I don't know if you like, I look around for some money. If I have like a couple dollars, you know, I always try to give it to him or I. There have been in phases of my life where I kind of like, look away from them. I don't want to take them in. And, now I'm in the place where I just kind of let myself be jarred by it, and I just let myself wonder, like, you know what? What was this person's life like? How did they get here? Yeah, for sure. How would I get here? Is that possible for me? What the fuck? But then I think when I'm in that place, I'm like, it's probably just a couple. Couple bad decisions. A few bad months led to a bad breakup. LED to a college dropout. Maybe moved away to try to new. Why don't they have any family around? You know, when you see someone just on the streets? Yeah, but it happens, you know what I'm saying? So that's why I get real fascinated with talking about how do we not let that happen? Because I guess it's could I mean, I don't think those people planned out on being there. You know, say that to bring up the question of like, what do you believe in? Like a predetermined nature of things, like they're just predetermined, like going to be like that, like that's like the story or the character that they're playing out in this movie of life. I certainly don't. I. Right, I don't think so. I don't. Think so. I don't know, I personally I would, I would be offended if all my hard work was predetermined. I like to think that. I don't know, I did that, but I did something. No. I mean. So you're. Right, like your genetics were predetermined. So in a way like, some of it is for sure. But yeah, no way is it predetermined. I don't believe that for a second. I don't believe so. I mean, if. You want to tell me, like, something out there is watching over and, like, set things into motion and stuff like that, like. Sure. But I do think we all have free rein. In. What we do and impact our lives. Free will is real. Yeah, for sure, I think so. If I thought about the worst thing I could possibly go do right now, and then I went and did it, I don't think that my whoever wrote my. Murderer or what are you talking. I don't even want to get there. I'm just thinking about thinking about it. But just as a thought. Talking about thinking about thinking. About it, I. Finally felt it. Whatever. The worst thing if you could imagine yourself to do if you went and did it right now, I don't think that let's, let's say that this. Story, any bad saw this or. Get as gnarly as you want, but if it is predetermined, who would have written that for your story? God would be an asshole, right? Like some shit. Let's make you a murderer, right? Even an asshole probably wouldn't do it. Doesn't make a lot of sense. Have you graduate from medical school and then you're going to murder you? Like what did I learn to murder? Yeah, what I'm saying is that doesn't. It doesn't translate with. With what we know about life itself. You know what I'm saying? Or stories itself, like, things make sense. Things usually happen for a reason or the reasons revealed to us later or. Yeah, like. You know, I guess every everything is like a manifestation of what was before you. So in a way, like your future is predetermined by your past, right. Because you. You can't be go somewhere with you're always influenced by what you experienced in a way. So like. If I became a murderer, that was probably because something up happened in my past or whatever. Or yeah. Biochemically I was, I became like. It's the, the idea I'm proposing is that free will is that the place where you could you could do anything in the world right now? Yeah. But then it would become the story of Austin. And if your story of Austin is predetermined, it's. A terrible title for like a book or movie. But dude, Story. Of Austin. It's a book Austin wrote. Like nobody went watch that. Movie, right? No, but I watch it right now. I love starring Leonardo DiCaprio. He's great. Christopher Nolan I would love it. But oh, let's say in a world if we're accepting that it is predetermined, you're free will kind of just like, I mean, if you win and did something heinous, who would have written that story that doesn't check out for me? Yeah, probably my wife. You would think. Like, all right, this character, we're just going to fucking build them up to get them in. This pure, like, why let me get this far to, like, ruin it all? You know, it doesn't make sense. You know what I'm saying? But I guess some people snap. Sure. But I think, like you said, it's maybe because of stuff that happened in the past, right? That's kind of leading up to it. But our free will makes me feel like it's it's too it's not preachy, deterministic, but. I guess everyone kind of says that, right? Everyone says we have free will. So. But I guess the thing you would poses is your free will predetermined. Are you, are you. Quite understand. What they mean. It's like actually more out of the question. The way that your brain works, like your decisions that you make. They're all up here. All right. Well some people debate whether you're actually ever making decisions right. When you're thinking like, what do I want to eat? Some people would argue, you already have. You already have decided. Right? Subconsciously, but you just don't know it consciously. You know what I mean? There's like. Maybe. Yeah. There's a there's a lot of weird theories about like subconscious thinking versus conscious thinking. Yeah. Have you dabbled into, like the any size or any studies that like where, like spirituality and medicine and like, like overlap at all? No. No clue. I know there's like some data that people who are more religious are likely to have like better outcomes in the hospital. Which is kind of interesting whether that's like, they know people who have who don't have like family when they're in the hospital are more likely to like pass away or have poor outcomes. So like really there we have a lot of data to support the impact of like social relationships on human longevity and stuff like that. So I think that's similar to religion gives you like a community or a, or a sort of like having a sense of belonging or. Yeah, or being that like pushes you to fight and keep going and stuff like that is kind of powerful in a way. But I don't know if you have like more specific questions about like what you mean with how that ties in. Not really as it was before, that. If your periphery will is predetermined, like the choices you're going to make are already kind of instilled in you. That I am a little more uncertain about. I do kind of think it's possible that. It could be we. Are making decisions and are not making decisions at the same time, like. I think. So I guess I think it's both. I think it's both. I hate thinking that, but I do think that might be true. You know, like, I want to think that I'm going to go outside right now and like. Do what you planned. I'm going to I'm going to choose what I want to eat for dinner. Yes. When in reality, like my brain stem already knows, you know, like what I'm going to I don't. Know, based on some formula of what you have. What you do. Normal. Yeah, yeah. Who know, who knows or like whatever the whatever current composition of chemicals in my brain makes me crave chicken and broccoli. Whereas, like, tomorrow, I may have more of this and less of this. That's what makes me crave beef, right? You know, like I do. I do think there is a physical explanation for, like, everything that's mental. We just can't necessarily explain it yet just because there's infinite possibilities, you know? Dude, I'm so into this, so. Oh, man. My my train of thought last. So I just think there's a, there's a I think it's both I think we, I think it's, there is I think we've mentioned it before, but it's like, I think it's your belief system. But also there could be it could be spiritual thing. But I think there might be, something out there that has a predetermined path for you that would be the optimum path for you, even if you don't know it yet, because we're so limited in our scope. Yeah, just what we know about ourselves. And I for sure I'm open to anything. Like I think I think we just there's just stuff we can't explain. Oh, yeah. You know, so if you tell me 30 years from now, they find some discovery and they're like, there's like a above consciousness like level that you can get to. I mean, who knows, right. Like that. What's that Bradley Cooper movie limit like. Yeah. Exactly like that. Yeah. There's like think you can unlock a different level of. Yeah. So God is like a Yogi from the eastern world who expresses that, that if you could meditate and, like, get to this place in your mind that you can, like, leave your body and. And I mean, those monks, like, light themselves on fire and don't feel pain. You can like. Yeah, convince your brain to not feel pain. It's kind. Of like. Yeah. Walking across the hot coals. Yeah. Like kind of shit. Yeah. My one of my favorite David Goggins quotes is when he's talking about how, like, he meets God at the Heaven's Gate. Have you seen that one? Yeah. Fire. And he's like. What does it say? Like, he could. Have been this. He's like. He's like the Navy. Seal. Yeah. Ultramarathon. Like, that's not me. He's like, nobody gets what you should have been. Could have been you. Oof! Ooh. That's my two tech guys. Absolute banger. Like absolute banger like that should be in the Hall of Fame of written word. Somewhere out there. Yeah. It's in my Hall of Fame. Oh good. It's in my Rolodex. So good. I could watch that. Conversation. Every morning. Like taking a dump before going to the gym. Just like. Let's go. So if your life is predetermined, like those the way you're going to eat food is predetermined. I think David Dawkins can come along and drop that message on you and change some of that predetermination for sure. Yeah, right. And that's fucking magic. Yeah, that I'm interested in that stuff that can get us out of what. The thing with like, predetermined is. I do think it's predetermined, but it's at the level of like nanoseconds, you know what I mean? Like something we can't even perceive, which is open to changing every nanosecond. In a way. Every instant, like every, you know. The butterfly effect is just like infinitely small, like every me going like this instead of, like that. Could change a tsunami. Yeah. Or like going like that. Instead of like that. Like all. You know what I mean? You can like, get that to the micro level like all those things. Yeah. Like the. Infinite universes. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. There's too many. Inspirations. School stuff. And for all that philosophy talk here we are though in our life like still just going through our. Yeah. No I'm. I. Literally don't want to walk around with I'm everything about this again like no I'm sure you want. Are you playing. Are you playing with anybody is like Ryan back. I have like, one of my co-residents is the guy who got me back in. Oh, shit. He, But he he's, like, in his hard years, so he doesn't really play at the moment, but, like, I joined his guild and then it fell apart. So, like, I'm not really playing with anybody at the moment. Just got you. My problem with Ryan, I have played with him a couple times. A he has like two young daughters. So he's like, I'm going to get on at 11 p.m.

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20 p.m. and then they're going to wake up. And then I got to like, you know, so he he's just very, very. Limited schedule. Existence. So right there right there with them they have like. A random dungeon finder, you know. So I just I just level some. It's very actually it's quite like peaceful. I love that. Yeah. That's awesome. Do you make. I guess what's the what's next for you. Are you plan on doing radiology for a long time. Yeah. Yeah yeah. But rest of my life hopefully. Really? Yeah. It's why I can't I can't get Lasik surgery. They don't don't mess with your eyes. You know, you don't want to risk that. Yeah I mean you can't, but I don't think I will. Yeah. So probably stay in San Antonio. Nice. Yeah. For the very near future. What do you think about that? Yeah. The not near. Future for the foreseeable future. Term. Yeah. The long term. Nice, very. Near future would be like the next few days. A couple. Of months. Yeah. So, like I said, I saw my last year residency, then I do next year. I do a full year of just brain and spine, MRI stuff. Then after that, I got to get a big boy job, so hopefully get some. Hell, yeah. Some dollars. Let's go. Yeah. Data burden for you. It's gonna be. Awesome. Yeah. It's cool because it's like. I feel like with anybody else, you'd have to be like, man, I hope, I hope you, you keep going, you know? But I feel like you got it, dude. Like you're just a machine. That's how it. Dude. Yeah. You know, it's nice. I do feel like in some I'm successful because I'm so disciplined, but at the same time, like, it is a little. I'm a I'm very rigid. Like. Like when my routine get disrupted, like it causes me a lot of stress and stuff like that. So, like, family members, like her family is like, so go with the flow. And they're just like, don't. I don't get it. Why does he have to, like, go home and eat his protein oatmeal every day? You know, like after you go, why do you have to go to the gym every day at like five in the morning? So, like to some extent, is it. It's a little like, I don't know, OCD tendency kind of stuff. But I don't know, type. It's kind of like what we're talking about, the addiction thing, where I'm like, what could be worse? Right? Like, yeah, at least it at least it I turn it into a positive. Sure. I'm not like I'm not like OCD. Like I got to I got to like, turn off the light like every. I get like. Like I'm not doing the podcast in the corner like. Right in your life. And it could be like that. Like you let the neurosis get out of hand, you know? Yeah, it's you didn't. You did an amazing job. I'm like, you're the man. I just funneled it to, like the right neuroticism. I'm, you know, like, yeah, exercise. And, I don't know, healthy eating sometimes I was, you know, I still often. Yeah. So run right well and get. No. Yeah. That's the. Thing. No running. No. My back is like done. Done running. Yeah I don't know. So in med school. Med school is like when I got into lifting you and I started lifting. And then I was, like, kind of more inconsistent in college. And then I got into med school and, like, it just became a big outlet for me. I was more into like, powerlifting, actually. So I just. Like, where are you. Emma? Are you talking about. Like, the 3 to 5 rep range on like, deadlift bench? All that stuff just destroyed my joints. And then like one day my last year med school I like had like shooting back pain and like basically one of my vertebrae. Like, they should basically be lined up on top of each other, but one was in front of the other and it can pinch your nerves. So that's what was happening. And they were like, cut that out. So I cut that out and it went away. Then I started running, but then it came back and they were like, it's got a lot worse. So you got to stop running. And yeah, that's for like forever. Yeah. Oh fuck. Yeah. Yeah, I love running. How long is that been? No. Whoops. No whooping. No whoops. Yep. Just shooting just so I. Can't lose my load. My spine like I. If I jump in land, it'll hurt my back. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I'll show you my my heart goes out to you. It's brutal. Yeah. I ran a marathon in 22, I think. I said. And then, was like training for another one and then it all, all of a sudden started to. Go, that sucks, dude. It's okay. I was, I like, I've gained like 20 pounds. It seems crazy. You look calories, you burn. Yeah. Oh, I'm trying to bulk up. You know, I'm trying to get like, you guys. Let's go. Let's go. I'm trying to be MJ 39. Come on. 381. 081. Oh 381 yeah, what is it? 421. What is. What's the highway out there? 41. 421. 4281, 410 and 281. That's what I'm thinking. Do you like San Antonio? I love it, really? Yeah. How about you guys? I love it. I love it, I love this place. It's chill. There's things I was. Actually gonna. Show you. I saw this in the air when I see. Oh, geez. Someone fell on a sword and went through their head. Oh, my God, are you serious? Are you that big white? That's a sword. Yeah, there's a sword that went above. They died. No. That's the crazy part. What? I got stabbed, okay. So we we're the only trauma on most. Mostly there's, like, a military hospital, but we see almost all the trauma in San Antonio and, like, outside of it. So I have seen, like, some real crazy shit where a helmet. Wait for motorcycle public podcasters. What the fuck? Pizza, ATVs, hell. Like those. Like, for the love of God, people like riding around their ATVs in like, neighborhood and stuff. Not wearing helmets. Like, I mean, those people will destroy their heads. Do you usually. Yeah. It's gonna find my spine. That's traumatic. I'm always comparing San Antonio to Round Rock, and, I like it bigger here. Yeah, and it's more spaced out, so it's a little more chill sometimes versus, like, being compact in. Yeah. Spaced out. Big. Okay. So my x ray, it's kind of hard to it. So like you see how all those vertebrae are like lined up on top of each other. I don't know if you can see that. You think you were in context Justin. Oh no no no no no I can see, I can see also. Yeah. So this is like it's kind of hard to see. But this, this one here is like you see how forward it is compared to the one. Above it or below it. Sorry. So there's this one below it. And then there's that one that's like way forward. So these are like calling all in a line. And then this one is like slipped. A half on top. Of it. Supposed to be back in that space. That's. Oh. Oh yeah. So that's kind of that's your spine right now. Yeah. So long. Eventually they're going to have to put rods in there and like basically fuze it so that it won't move anymore. But it not right now. What is that going to happen I don't know. Basically I go as long as I can taller like tolerating pain. Yeah. But it's like it's pretty manageable. I can still lift. I'll say squat. No. Okay. Yeah. Don't squat. Load your. Back. Can't load spine. I can do the leg press. Okay. I can do ordeals like Romanian deadlift. But not conventional. Deadlift. Do you get heavy on audios. Yeah. Just carry you a little bit. Yeah. I can imagine there's a little, a little bit, yeah a little, a little scared. I never did heavy audio so Justin got me. On them there. They rock, they rock. Do they change around. You light up your hamstrings. Oh yeah. Yeah. But hammies. But I think Justin has, like, way better flexibility than I do. So I like, go like, maybe like upper third of my shins. Okay. You know, so not like super, super low. Not top in. The ground I definitely make sure. No yeah I don't I can't touch the guide like part of this as well. What part of the reason my hamstring are so tight. It's like because of this like slipping forward. You ever. Thought about. Pull pulled it all. Up. Yeah. I suggested that. Yeah. It's kind of saying the don't have. The. Spine neck that everything is to like one thing goes. Bad. Yeah. My fiancee this morning. Like last night she was like oh my my leg hurts. And she's been experiencing foot pain like a little bit over the course of the last like couple weeks. Yeah. And then like shot up like all it took her knee like behind her knee but like. Yeah I was like it's she's like, oh that's like my, my leg or like my calf. I was like, nothing's your foot. You know, think. I think your foot is like just pulling all your shit. Yeah. It's, it's, you're feeling it behind your knee. But. Yeah. Or originating from your foot. Well this cause the bottom of my foot to be numb. Every morning I would wake up with a numb foot. Because the. It's like the S1 nerve is being pinched so bad, but your spine expands like when you're awake. And so, like during the day, I'm, like, pretty asymptomatic when I first wake up, it's pretty, pretty bad. That's what she was saying to me when she first wakes up her foot like that. I wonder if she's got back. There's all of the back to be. Yeah, she's having foot leg, knee. That's a back. Issue. Yeah, actually. Damn. And look into that. I mean, I'm not doctor, but. See what that's it's not a doctor. Like not a punch line. No consults. But, that sounds like a back issue to me. Honestly, I had some posture issues and back issues. Lower back pain, lack of flexibility for, like, the longest time. And the only time I ever got relief from that was doing yoga 2 to 3 times a week. Yeah. And it actually got so much better that I was like, jarred. I was like, wow, someone should have told me about this when I was younger. Yeah, I was also getting a lot of just like, it I feel like what happens is, is that the stretch hurts so much and tolerate the only way to tolerate it for as long as they want you to tolerate it for is to to detach a little bit from the pain that you're feeling. And that process of letting go of what you're currently feeling to just hold the pose. That thing was really therapeutic. Yeah, I was though. Yoga is like very mental. Right? Big time. But also my posture was just phenomenally better. So much better. Flexibility, alleviation of all the back pain. But if you're I don't think you'll go to help your spine in that same sense. Probably not. Yeah, but the issue with mine is it's like. Actually screwed up. You know, like surgically. Yeah. They get in there. So yeah yeah yeah yeah. Like now like run of the mill anymore. Fuck yeah. Yeah. That's the kind of that was predetermined. Right. Like one which I think one might. Well not necessarily maybe the, I think it. Was the squatting actually. That like the. Powerlifting. So the condition I originally had is like you have two bones on the side of your vertebrae that are like doesn't matter. But anyway, some kids who play basketball basically who land all the time, fracture them. And if those break, then it's allowed to slip forward. And so like mine were fractured probably for like a decade, but I never knew. And then when I started like powerlifting and you're putting. All that under your spine. You can imagine how it will like if it's broken, will like eventually if I'm like, squatting with a spine that's like this. Bent already and. I put a load on it, it's going to like further, push. It out. Exactly. Yeah. Did that gave you better posture in the meantime? No, it looks awful, actually. I look like kind of like a duck where, like, my butt shoots back and then like my my belt. No matter like, no matter how lean I've been, like, it looks like sometimes I have a belly. Really? Yeah. It's really weird. That's annoying. It is annoying, actually. Yeah. Like. If I couldn't, like, ever be a bodybuilder because, like, my esthetics wouldn't be ideal, you know what I mean? You've got to go all in fucking and we'll go to. Do you want to get some stem cells? Yeah. Yeah. Good. That's again. Right. Again. Stem cells. I don't know what. Stem cells can't like. I just think they. Probably help everything. Not necessarily just a spine. But. Then some steroid treatment. I'll be like the most jacked guy with the back surgery. With a gut. Yeah. The guy. Yeah. I'm like the, you know, like the bodybuilders get the gut. It kind of looks like that, like sticks out a little bit. Yeah. It's like rounded. Yeah. But still got the abs on it. Because it's like. Yes. It's actually quite weird looking. Yeah. Just because yeah, it's all like one thing is stuck back and then like the other thing pushes out. So yeah. You can imagine if you're, if your spine is like pushing out into your belly, your belly is going to like, push, like I meant I was like meeting with a PT guy and he was like, I'm going to just push it back. And I was like. Well, okay. So he would dig into my stomach and like, find it and just try to like, push it back. That was back when it was like before, back when I first slept fully. Yeah. So it was just a little. Back, you know, let me get in there. Like he'd be like, let me push your aorta out of the way. And then oh my god. Well, yeah. What. Yeah. He would like, he would feel for my abdominal aorta pulse and then like move it in, push on the bone. Did you get any relief through my stomach? It actually kind of felt good. Yeah. It's weird. Did he get progress? No. Could he have. Saved? Couldn't I move here? Oh, yeah. Maybe you could have started residency. Maybe he said he was going to, like, do a study on me on some. You get a chance. You know, if I want to. Be that he was. You need to hit him up, he said. Because I was like, lean enough, basically, that he could actually feel my vertebrae. He was going. To try it. But yeah, I am. That's a crazy. Keep it on the edge of some cutting. Edge, right? Like or like he could have. Like punctured my. Yeah. Right. Which it a fucking. Like how do you die. Oh he. Poked is. He just passed out I don't know just. Punched his aorta through through his stomach. Holy shit. Yeah. You want to you want to wrap up, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. I got a pierced like a bad. Yeah. Let's go like a racehorse. Maybe my. Guy. I can love you, man. Congratulations on your re your repurposing of your. Whatever your, field of study. Happy for you. Happy for your wife as well. Let me tell you, I appreciate your coming out. All righty. Absolute pleasure. It was a pleasure. It was a blast. See you on March for sure. Right. Oh, yeah. Yeah. We'll be. Where's the venue for sure. It's. It's called spring. Break. Better be there. What the hell? I'll be there. It's, it's like, maybe like 30 or 45 minutes away from here, just like up to 81 north near Canyon Lake. Kind of sweet. Nice. Yeah. It'll be a great time. Sounds good. Yeah. All right. Thank you. Love you guys. Have a great rest of your life. Outro music. Sub sub. Follow all the things. Smash the like button. Well, you guys, I said smash it later.