The BIGGEST Stand-Up Comedians Got BEEF? | The MJ38 Show Episode #71

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Welcome in every 138 show. Episode number 71. Justin Matthew. Host and co-hosts. Co-creator, co-founders MJ and 38 productions. We keep it moving. It's a beautiful day, beautiful life. Hopefully your existence is going swimmingly right now, but to join us in our moment, let's have a moment together. Like in the presence. Swimming like a dolphin, like a dolphin. Danny, bro. We're talking as you say. You're talking about some real that you've been watching. Yes, I'm explaining the law of Joe Rogan. Yeah, well, it. Got what I was going to explain to you is that I ended up watching a bunch of film on the interactions on the internet between Shane Gillis and Andrew Schultz. Okay. Through this rabbit hole I found. Okay? And it made me really not like Andrew Schultz so much anymore. What was he talking about? He's kind of. A douche to, to Shane, and I feel like he's my boy, so I'm like, bro, not cool. Bro, not cool. But like, shingles had done three interviews or, on flagrante he'd been on was like three times. Okay. And then so I guess after the first one, he was kind of like blown up. But then the people in flagrante thought he was like low energy and low tempo and then so like negatively. Yeah, that like that they had to do all the heavy lifting with like making, a podcast that had energy and was funny and was like a good episode. Okay. He wasn't like contributing a lot to that, even though he's this, like, really funny guy. Yeah. And should be able to light it on fire, of course. So then those guys were like, oh, well, you don't want to fucking turn it off for us, bro. Okay. I think he said something like, dude, I'm sorry, man, I'm just kind of exhausted that this was like my 12th podcast that I've done in the last like three days. So I'm like, what? What do you say? He had just released a special like that. 12 pods in three days. Yeah, they were been generous. I honestly think he said 13 and two days. So let's be. Generous. Take that 12 to 3. Yeah, seven a day. Right. Two days in a row. Each one's like an hour plus. That's what though he might have been exaggerating a little bit because that's a lot. But if he it's almost impossible. Yeah. Right. If he did. Six if that was his sixth podcast in two days, even so, I'd get it. Like. And if you worked out, did sleep take care of yourself. Yeah. There's like a whole bunch of shit going on that might result in that person being a little tired. Either way okay. So that was partially an explanation. But they took it really negatively and were like oh man fuck you bro. Like you're gonna come on our show and nah not be good. Now bring it. Yeah. And then he's like bro it's my life bro I'm sorry bro. I'm tired bro. And then when he came back in they like gave him shit about it because I guess it also the commentator and the video made it seem like they had already addressed it. So they were talking shit in a way. Like he was like, I, I know what you talking about. I got energy today, you know? It's good. But like, Andrew Schultz, like, continues to like butt heads with Shane in this kind of like aggressive. On the episode. Yeah. Okay. And then like with his body language is super like flagrant, like stomping his feet and like, grabbing chain and then like, kind of interjecting, like, douchebag stuff, I don't know, and then change, like, just stays in the pocket, you know? And he's kind of like, well, this is like, you know, you guys, what is he talking about? Like, at one point they're kind of gaslighting him about, whether or not he played with PSG. Like he's like, yeah, I just had to. Sorry. I had to beat you in front of your boys at a FIFA game before we got on the podcast. Saying saying this. Yeah. Oh, no. He's like all your guys back there. Come on Andrew, come on Andrew. I'm sitting there like the fucking visitor. The away team at this game. Well, we pulled off the win at school and then Andrew's like yeah but I mean you had a halftime. You had to change your whole team. He's like, you mean I have eight subs and he's like, yeah, you got to make subs. And he's like, yeah, I did. I picked a worse team than you. And then then the whole everyone in the studios will get tired. Everyone. The studio's like, you picked PSG. They're one of the best teams. And he's like, I played with Manchester United. They're a different color. And then I had to make subs because they're not as good as like Spain, Barcelona and then they're like, no, you pick PSG and then eventually like one of the guys is like he did pick Manchester United and then they're all that. Andres like, oh man, we just let us fuck with them dude. Just let us fuck with them. Oh it starts with that. And then it continues to be like, it's. Kind of lame. And you're kind of fucking with him. And then Shane calls him out for making fun of down syndrome kids. Being like, this isn't funny, just to, like, pull them up and laugh at them. Like, look at these retards. Like, that's not funny. You know what I'm saying? Like, if. They're like, no, we're comparing them to you. So like, we're making fun of you. And he's like, okay, so you're you're insulting them by calling them me. Like the same, like the reciprocal of using them as an insult. You're gonna insult them with me like what? Either way, it's just not that funny, bro. And then what are you the other guys, like, makes a joke in that moment? That was funny. And then they'll all laugh. And then it's like, that's funny because of what was happening here. The context. But the context, it's just like, you guys are lame. Yeah. Damn, I didn't know like that between them. Dude. I it was super obvious when you just watch the clips of, like, the confrontational, weird moments that got captured on. Camera. Yeah. And then, yeah, Shane's super, like, reserved and, like, why the fuck is this guy like this? You know? And then Andrew Schultz's kind of like, like a dog that's, like, all riled up, you know, kind of trying to, like, humble, almost. Like, like, that's the energy. That comes off. It's weird though. Oh, man. Like what happens there, you know? Yeah, yeah. And then on the third time, I forget he was just super composed. The commentator was like, he's like blossomed into now. He's been on Joe Rogan 7 or 8 times and hasn't been on 7 or 8 times in the last two years. So I feel like there's some animosity going on. There's some switching happening, hierarchy. Shifting happening right now. That would Andrew comes with this bullshit. Shane's just like real composed and like, does it doesn't really folder. Also he like says stuff. He's like why are you like this bro. Like is he like this all the time? I don't get it, bro. It just like, clearly addresses that weird behavior, you know? Weird breakdown. What the hell? It was like film for Joe Rogan's friends. Yeah, yeah. This channel had millions of views. The celebrities. Yeah. Andrew Schultz, Shane, Jen Gillis, is there beef? Is there beef is there? B I think. There's like. Beef. Something weird going on there. Yeah. Why would it not be just instant vibes if we had either Shane or Andrew on, I think we'd be, a vibe podcast, you know? Right. Right. Both on individually. I think it'd be a good time. We'd be. We'd be chatting. Whatever the YouTuber himself said it was probably. He was kind of like Andrew Schultz kind of sucks. And he gets like, not aggressive, but like competitive for the mic and for, like, being the funny guy in the room. Yeah. Again, the biggest pops. Yeah. Hitting the jokes. And then when Shane's like naturally more talented and getting more love and then he's like plays aggressive and then starts losing. It's making the play more aggressive. Oh he's losing. It's like not cool. Were there other instances between Andrew Schultz and like other people like that. There was I don't know. I didn't look more on the Andrew Schultz film, Alec, more on the Shane Gillis film, because I'm more into his film. Yeah, yeah. What'd you find? The he had another one where it was like he didn't, there was one where I think maybe it was just Burke Kreischer and him just explaining the progression was, like, annoying. But then there was, one other good one I saw where it's like, Brendan Schwab is just kind of like, Brendan Schwab. He's on Joe Rogan a lot. He's a comedian as well. Yeah, I heard. He was just like a douchebag to. I think, Shane and his co-host on their podcast, it started this whole beef for, like, no reason. And then ultimately, Shane's like, that guy sucks. And then I just explained, like, all the beefs that they've had where they just rub each other wrong. But there was, there was a, I think it was Shane Ebert where he talks about how they don't get along very. Much. Because Bert used to be a regular on Joe Rogan. Yeah, yeah. Shane kind of. They replaced that show with Sober October with Protect Our Parks. I was just going to say so October hasn't been a thing for a minute and a. It's not a thing anymore. You can feel you could feel Joe's getting like just like. Getting so annoyed with Bert as well. He's like, shut the fuck up. You can't do that or whatever. Tom's got a whole podcast, I don't know. Yeah. I kind of know what it's like to accidentally slip into that place where you're just, like, accidentally slapping the floor when you don't mean to. Like. I think that's what Joe Rogan saw was happening when he was doing Bert Kreischer on his podcast. It was just be like, the fuck you say. Slap the floor. He's like. I'm trying to have a podcast, not whoop, you. Know, and. You got to get yourself out of that situation. So but it's literally his show. And Shane Gillis is so gassed bro. Like he's so chill, so cool, so funny. That's easy. I'd rather do this than that you know. Yeah. Yeah. Solid solid pick up Joe does he. Does Shane live in Austin or in Texas. Yeah he does yeah that's right. That's right probably. Yeah. They're going to the fucking mothership next weekend. I can't wait. Let's go. Yeah literally. Can't wait. It's going to be super fucking fun. But we went to the I've been once once before I saw Ron White. That was great. We're going to go have a little day in Austin is going to be badass. It's me. Badass I can't wait. It's not nice to like be the to to go out. So nice to go out. You know. Yes. Enjoy life. Yeah. It's like. Good company. When you have, like, plans orchestrated, you're going to go do things. You put on a nice outfit, for me, workout, shower. You know, do. They actually do the nice soap? You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I feel real. Good about just, like, really present myself, you know, and then just enjoy life all the all the things has to offer. Have a nice little dinner, have some good food. Boy. Go laugh a couple of drinks. I really can't. Wait. Comedy's awesome. Can't be so tight. Just stand up comedy or comedy in general. You know, people love laughing and people are able to make a career out of making other people laugh through like shows and TV. You know, just like talking podcasts. Yeah, it's all valuable. To us, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Just laughing. How valuable feeling good. At least. Like, what's the ticket cost? Like 50 bucks. Yeah, definitely. That's at least $50. Yeah, right. Is at least 50 bucks worth to go to a comedy club? It's like, I don't know how long it's going to be. It'll be like two hours ish. Maybe two and change, hopefully for like 50 bucks. Yeah, that's super fair. Yeah. Not bad at all. You can lose a lot more money on the tables. 50 for the 50 bucks in two hours. Oh, God. Yeah. Oh, God. Yeah. That's sometimes how I equate some of the money or something. Like the entertainment. Like what you're paying for. I've really. Recalibrated the way I think about poker from watching videos. Online. I've been watching a lot of poker reels, too. All night. There's even popping up. We played some poker at the Super Bowl at Avast. Nice. It was cool just to hop in for a couple little hands. Yeah. Fuck yeah. Fuck yeah. It's cool. I got what. If it's Texas Hold'em, bro? Hold them. Fun. That's the game you should play. Because you can play that for hours and like. Be. Legitimately probably be where you were if you play smart. Like if you fold. When you should. And you get you hit when you have good hands, you. Get a little bit of luck. A little bit of flavor. He had a lot of flavor. You'll just win a ton of money. Hey, just get the nuts. Every time I was like, fuck yeah, I got him. I got the best hand. Like, yeah, oh my dick. Yeah. Exactly, bro. Full house. I think everybody that plays poker has had that night where you're just like, oh, it was easy to make money. All I did was like, bet when I had good cards. Yeah. You know. Yeah. It's like I got pocket aces or I got ace queen. I got I'm getting a whole bunch of face cards all the time. So I want to play those face cards, bro. I'm sorry. Like, it's just what it is. Yeah. Thank you. God. Like Vegas. Are you dealt that shit. Yeah dude I 100%. So I think and even like my wise counsel a my dad is a told me that before where like if you're going to go to Vegas the best thing to do is sign up for like a Texas Hold'em tournament. If you're going to gamble and then just play super smart like play to maximize your time playing. And I think that's good advice. Yeah, that's that's one. Tournament I played like with homies. You know what I'm saying? It's like playing with friends or whatever like games 810 people. I thought about it. I think you could just sign up like the day before the morning of when you're in Las Vegas. Yeah, I think so. Right. Yeah. We should I'm sure there's different levels you know. Yeah. By it's the minimum buy in the big blinds. The small blinds. Right. Right. Yeah. There's stuff or if you buy it for $1,000 but you get 50,000 chips. You know what I'm saying. There could be like that scenario too. So there's no telling I don't know how they operate it but I definitely think we should do that next time we go to Vegas. But okay. So that idea is juxtaposed with what the thing that I've really been focused on now. Okay. Is that time on the table short bro. Yeah. Like dude, if you're playing $100 hands and you brought$2,000, that's like, what, 20 hands? Be careful, be careful dog. Be careful. Dog. The punishment is high for losing five hands in a row. Make it happen. I think it is going to run. But here's the other thing. It. How much money do you want to make? Because you going to run to. I've seen it. I've seen both ends of the spectrum. It's crazy. Yeah. True. True. Yeah. Last time I was there, I started with three, went up to nine and then back to zero. Then I pulled three out, started with three, went up to 11, went back to zero. Is going to run. It's like basketball. Hey basketball when you get 20 point runs you know what I'm saying. What's going on a 20. Nothing. Run dude I have it both ways. What's weird is you can quit that game while you're ahead. And instead of being a forfeit loss, you get the win. It's different than men. Wait, a different. Yeah, yeah. For real. Like you just. Do. Told me you should get out when you're 3X3 extra money. It's like, that's pretty much all you're going to make at that point. You're being greedy at that one point in time. Yeah. Right there, right there. Right. Like right there. Right. Then you maxed out your luck. It just goes. Away for a while, dude. Like the job like the GTA. Police thing is hot. Like five stars, a five star. Yeah. You got a blinking five star. Yes, bro. But we're talking about poker real. So you're saying something real something? Yeah. Well, just. That's the thing I realize. Is that. So how much money you want to make? Because if you're trying to make $1,000, but you're playing $5 hands, you're going to play for a long time. But if you play for a long time, you're not going to win. You're not going to win in the long run. So the best thing to do would be to come in with some fucking heat, some heat, dawg, and then win in a short span of time, get to three X and then get out of there. And then yeah, I mean, same thing. Like if you think the decks how you think the moment's right and you're betting $100 hands and you're up ten hands, so you're up $1,000, and then you play a $500 hand, and you can win that $500 hand and be up 15 hands. Then you walk away with that and just feel good for a while. Maybe that's it. But I think the shorter like the fucking walk in there and do some damage and then get out of there. Yeah, if you're playing longer than an hour, you're fucked. In my opinion, you're not going to win. It's a it's it's skewed. It's skewed. It's 6040. You know what I'm saying. It's a, it's flipping a coin but it's 6040 and you're, you're going to lose more often than not in the long run. You know, just mathematically it's just what the fuck's that happen here? Statistics and shit. Yep. I'll make the rules. No, it is what it is. But you ain't going to run the other way. It could happen. But if you do it, it'll swing back on you. But I've seen. I think I've heard the exact same advice. I don't even know his name, but it's another social media character. He's, like, heavily tatted up and he's talked about you seen like. Yeah, he's like heavily tatted up talking about going to the casinos and shit. And he's like, yeah, the best way to do it is to go like don't go in the been$2,040 a hand is like going with like $500 a hand for like three hands. And if you win you get the fuck out like. Boom, boom, boom. I'm out. Yes, hopefully you hopefully win 1 or 2 or whatever. You know. But yeah, I guess. That's the most extreme version of what I'm. Saying. But yeah, the. Theme is that he's like, yeah, the more time you spend, you're going to lose. So if you just come in and you just bet like really big off the ribbon, you win once or twice. So you just like dip right there and you're good. You're done. Yeah. You can win in like two minutes. You can win $2,000 in two minutes and dip. Done bro. That makes everybody happy. No one's mad about that. No bro. You win two $500 hands or two $500 hits in roulette or whatever the fuck you're playing. Craps. Yeah. All right, I'm out the doses. Dude, one thing about watching the film of myself last time I was in Vegas is I feel like the people that were dealing me, the cards were like this. Idiots got to fucking leave, bro. We like they know. They know, bro. Yeah, bro. Like, they, they wanted me to leave so bad because you got. A blackjack dealer on here. Vegas dealer. But I don't know if I can talk about it. I mean, maybe, but I think a of it. There's moments, bro, like, I'm telling you, that lady, I pulled up, you guys are going to bed. I probably should have gone to bed. I'm in Vegas. I'm gonna go play some dice. What's up? I need to I need to whoop Vegas. Come on. Yeah. And so I put on fucking nice, nice outfit. Go downstairs. I'm super nice. I'm having a blast. I'm like. Hey. Hi. How are you tonight? My name is Matthew. I'm actually here from Texas. Is actually the first table I've been. I've been dying to do this for months. Here we go. I'm ready. And you're playing. My favorite game I just found out about. Which was? It was like, hold them. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I remember you. Yeah. I was like, hold them. Like everyone's going against the dealer, so you don't have to beat everybody. You got to beat the dealer. Yes, more or less. And then, yeah, it was super dope. There was also side bets that hit so many times, like if you were able to land of, like, a straight or a flush or three of a kind, then you would get like an extra 50, 75 bucks. And so it was the swings were big on that game, which I liked because I'm like, can't be here too long anyways. But there was points I should have left. But the weird thing was when I sat down, talking to this lady, she's like, you're such a sweetheart. You're such a sweetheart. I'm the dealer. I think the pit boss. Oh, okay. Yeah. Like the person that came over to, like, check on the table, how to. Count the money and shit. Yeah, yeah. And then she's like, other thing, you know? Right. When I sat down and I'm like. Amazing, you know? And then I wonder, I always wondered if when she blew me a kiss, if that was some kind of signal to deal with some nice cards because I was winning fast. Boy, I was like, hey, welcome to Vegas, Bobby. Let's go. Can I get some more drinks for my dogs? Like we were. Balling, but we were up like $600 so fast. Damn, I thought I broke the code. I, I ain't never going back. That was easy. Yeah, like on easy mo. Yeah. Effects. And, Yeah. There's just times I should have left. Like the table died. Clearly I'm up $900 and three people leave to. Go fucking leave. Like the moment is. Done, bro. Go to lightning strike. Go to bed with fucking up a rack. You just paid for your trip, bruh. Hopefully that lesson is worth more than the rack. Hopefully living, learn living and learning. So that's what I've learned about cards lately, is I feel like positive. You're up $1,000 and now I'm walking down Vegas. Greased up. What a rack. What do you want? What you what we want? Picture spider man. What's he want? 20 bucks. I'll spread the love. Let's fucking do what. The fuck ever, bro. Like, that's a much better experience. I mean, like, God. Dammit, God damn. Bar cigaret. God damn dog. Yeah. I'd rather be greased up. Paying for extra drinks. Extra cocktails. You're out of shots on me. A little bigger tips. Yeah, boy. Yes, bro. I hope that's my onion. Yeah, yeah. Someone take that. Someone take that and run with it. Oh, that should give us your. Give us your victory stories like trust. Yes, bro. But yeah, man, it's super fun to go fucking see Joey Rogue set up comedy. So fun. So cool. Dude, I think we could do that shit, man. It's just a matter of organizing the funny, you know. People say, oh, you're funny. You know, you're funny. You're fine. It's like I'm trying. You pay for that. You shouldn't monetize that shit. It's valuable. I know it is. Yeah. Being entertaining, being funny, being interesting. If you invest, it's valuable. If you never monetize it a long time from now, the day that you die, everyone will say how much they loved and appreciated that about you. Yeah, right. It's valuable. Like guarantee you Pat. It'll be like, man, Justin was just such a person. They always brought a lot of life and always was like relieving to be around and could shift the moment away from being stressful and into just like, funny that it is what it is. You know, your perspective is like a breath of fresh air all the time, bro. Yeah. Thanks, bro. Yeah a dog, yeah. But I'd rather you get paid for it now, dude. Just fucking run the racks for my. Guy. You know what I'm saying? Yes. Oh, for real? Yeah. No, it's. Yeah. It's crazy. We could. We could do it nowadays too. Like in such a, in such a way that we have access that we never had before. So many podcast, so many social media things. Everyone's getting paid for that shit. It's wild. It's everyone's. Skewed. It's skewed. Right. You got to be the like, Mr. Beast is not even in the same fucking category as the other people that are, like, making it because the the the avenue is open, you know, because he's, like, fully tapped into the algorithm, like he knows exactly how long his cuts should be seen to seen how much color needs to pop, what the fuck? Like tidal thumbnail effects, sound effects, all the, the whole night. He's so dialed like his. That's his business models be dialed. And doing that for years, right. I've been trying to learn it for years with this homies. So we can we could we could start being like engineers, algorithm engineers, you know what I'm saying? It's kind of different than what we're talking about being a comedian though. Like Joe Rogan's able to do I don't know. He's like because he's bigger than what he is. He's bigger than what. Yeah. So he's able to transcend past needing to be so dialed to the algorithm. Yeah. Because he's yeah he's like Gucci or Nike or whatever you want to say. Like he's the top of the brand of what is comedy and podcasting. But how do you. Be how do you crack through there. It's kind of know we're gonna have to figure that out. A little bit of lightning striking a lot of truth I think those are, those are two things I can lean on as rocks. It's like he's gotta be true spirit of truth. Whatever art form you're creating whether it's like a comedy music, just be like have a like a true expression of ourselves and of our like point of view as valuable and, you know, trying to sculpt it in a way that's relatable or makes you give like a gives you an emotion to embody or produces an emotion, you know, that makes you feel like empowered or fucking like, let's go, you know what I'm saying? Or whatever, get you through that set in the gym. Yeah, we're able to do that with like, comedy does that for people whenever you like. It's not the same thing. Like when you it is the same thing. But it's different. Like, you could be funny in music for sure, but it's like comedy. Like you're literally just trying to be funny and like, identify the funny thing and make it relatable or like, shed light on something that everyone's kind of doing. But like, no one talks about, you know? Yeah, sometimes like social like or like Jerry, Jerry Seinfeld. There's so many different avenues within comedy itself. Yeah. You know. You know, if I have, like, Carrot Top props, right? You know what I'm saying? Or you could do whatever and any, any and every other comedy like you can be clean. Whatever. I saw this whole sky that I. I don't like any of his stuff. He's like a guy that gets called up on Kill Tony. And then he was doing a set and it was just it was just killing. Like it was the same brand of comedy. And I didn't like the vanilla. I didn't like the caramel. But then the chocolate came out and I was like, well, fuck, maybe there's you got something over there because, like, he's kind of corny and like doing a bit about being like a neurotic person, but it was just so obviously hilarious. Like, I hit play on this one or scrolled up and it came up and like, the first joke was funny, the second joke was funny, and he's doing the same thing he always does. But these ones were hidden and like you felt the audience, you felt the deniability in the moment. I'm like, oh, he's got. I'm like, this is a good set. It's he's too far in for this not to hang. On every word. Yeah. And then at the end they go nuts. And I was like, yeah, dude. He got them like. It was so cool because I've seen it not work. Like he's barely working and they're trying to help him get over better on the I have, we don't really have a way to show people stuff on here because I can show you I saved it, but yeah, I'll show you later. But that's the thing is the is different. It wasn't Jerry Seinfeld like talking about bananas. The dry cleaners. Yeah. No it wasn't that, it wasn't Bert Kreischer telling you a drunk story or Tom Segura telling you about a black person voice who used Joe Rogan talking about aliens was like, he's doing this impression of like, an erotic person. And, I don't know, man. Comedy's weird like that. Yeah, it doesn't have to be all jokes or like, what are impressions? Impressions are hilarious. You remember, like, the guy that would do John Madden. Was, Frank something. Comedian. Yeah. Okay. Frank Caliendo. Okay. He would do impressions of people. He would just like. Well, that's a guy. When you see him running down. The field, you think, I wonder what it feels like to hit a refrigerator? Like, just tell. Like John Madden. Ask jokes on air. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. And impressions. So funny. My dad and I listen to that guy became like, super famous. He was hyper rich. That's hilarious. For impressions of fucking people, right? What the fuck is that? Oh, my. There's like. That's funny. Okay. Even making just, like, voices or, you know, I'm saying altering your voice is like having different characters coming out of you. You know, I do that all the time. Like in my head all the time, bro. Yeah, yeah. But you made my life. Just like I work in shit. Yeah, but, like, yeah, people. I guess it's not even really impersonations. Exactly. It's just like, kind of different personalities, a different, like, point of view or different, different characters. You know, if your personalities were, like people within yourself that you're embodying or like they're taking over, you're like, you know, sometimes I give one of the voices or one of those lights like a voice to it, you know, with a different proportions of whatever being a jock is like, oh. You fucking guy, fucking new guy over here like a cappuccino. Or whatever, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I'm with you. I love the voices. I like doing the surfer crush. That's a big. Crush. It's a lot of. Dude, I'm just looking for a. Yeah, I love. The surfer. Guy. I like when I get on my Aubrey Graham and I'm talking, like, Canadian. Sort of like, kind of, like, not upset or aggressive. I'm like, I can't even do it until I can do it. Until it until it until the yeah, it. Comes out because it's not like you're the default. It's something else you to let that thing enter in. Yeah. You know, like some in it. Yeah. It's like a spirit that takes over you, you know, it's weird. That we all have that, we all have those kind of things with Jordan Peterson talking about. It's like having a personality. It's like there's a whole bunch of different ones that we have, but we're like. We're like they're they're actually located around the central thing that is you or like, you know what I'm saying? You. And then you're observing all of that. But like, you have all these different personalities are going on different characteristics. Introversion, extroversion, all that, the big five or whatever. But even it gets it gets deeper than that or, you know, say more intricate, like every emotion, like inside out type. Shit, you know, saying it's crazy. Yeah. Yeah, dawg. But it's crazy what makes up our personalities, bro. I should get deep. There's like a deep. Yeah. We go in deeper we go, yeah. Life is so rich. We're just talking about how like a line in a movie or a line in a song is what we're talking about specifically. But a line in a song can like be that, be that line forever. Until one day something happens and you hear it in a different way and it becomes deeper and more meaningful. You're like, oh shit. Like that's what they were trying to express. Or you see, like the double entendre, or you're like, you live what they were trying to talk about. Yeah. Oh shit, that hits hard now. Yeah. Or whatever. That was. You had to happen the other day, too. I know you were telling me about revving up and going on a run like I'm DMC. And then I had one drink maybe 2 or 3 weeks ago where I was like. Oh fuck. That's super hard. Now it was like the first part of the bar I thought was just like unattached, you know what I'm saying? And then I found out it was attached and I was like, oh my gosh, that's crazy. Holy shit. Right? Yeah. That shit happens. You. That really happened to me big time when I was listening to, sober, which I was going to, you know. Yeah. Back a while of fuck, it was when that song was relatively new, I guess. It was probably like 20. Not even. No. 2018? No, probably before that. Like 2017, 2016. Wait, that song just like, flipped its meaning or like, flipped it on its head, its meaning. It's like a it's called sober and it's kind of like a breakup song to a degree. But yeah, it was like I was viewing it through the perspective of the person who was broken up with. And then I found out that it was more about the other side, the person who or like, I guess it was one perspective that I had of like the, the split. And then I saw the other half of the split and I was like, oh shit, this song is more about the other half of the split than I thought the entire time it was about this half of the split. It's like, Holy shit. This is like, I empathize with this song way more now. This is this is crazy and waving off this shit. This is like, coincidentally meaningful, more meaningful than I can, you know? So I can't even grasp. I can't even comprehend it. Yeah. But we get a little glimpse. We're like, oh, shit. Yeah, that's some Holy Spirit. I think it's dipping into that quantum to like, where you know what to say, and then you're like, that's perfect. Like, what the fuck is that? Like. What am I trying to express here? What's the idea I want to get across. Yeah. And then like that coupled with your mental vocal chords, spirit of truth, the outcome something. Yeah. And then those words, you're like, those were the right ones. That was it. Right? Gas. And then like, oh, I remember one time I was on super psychedelic vitamins and yeah, this and I'm trying to have a conversation with my sister, and I felt like I had entered the story of the Tower of Babel because, like, all of a sudden her words like that didn't process in my head as like words like there was no definite. I couldn't just like it was like a different language almost. Yeah. And I was just. Like, can I make sense of. It? She's. I know she speak in. English, but like. The words that I use to say this mean this, but then she's using those words. But then how do I know that what she's trying to say are those words like, I don't even know if what we're saying are the same things. Like, maybe I'm saying peach and you're saying peach and like, are you really talking about what I think a peach is, though? Yeah. Because like, what if you're talking about a book and I just don't because that's what it felt like. I'm like, I don't think that are fucking words are the same definitions to each other. I think we're like couple on each other right now. It just hit me hard. That is. True. That is very true. Right. There's a truth, that truth. In that for sure. Like we are agreeing that we're speaking English, but we all have different like definitive what this word means or whatever. Yeah, for sure. You know. Yeah. Like it's also like what does what does mean something to you. Like I don't know how you guys envision words, you know what I'm saying? But like, assassinate has like, sharpness to it in my mind. Big time. Yeah, that's a sharp word. That's like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you know. You also like, if you like, I kill a witness and like a cop show, like, you know, you're going to get rid of the witness. You don't assassinate the witness. You assassinate like a president. Well, I wasn't going to say you're. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Someone that's like a fucking important, you know what I'm saying? Okay, so there's another, like, added texture. I see you're saying. Yeah, you assassinate a just like a bystander in the street, or like we call that, like, just like a burglary or whatever the fuck, like just murder. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Murder or like, casualties or like, like if you're plotting to do it, like, I think call it the target. Maybe. But the action, the verb of the of the killing. Yeah. Probably killed or murder, but assassinate. It's not. It's different. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, like the level of different and nuance like that has, it's like, are we on the same wavelength as to what we're assigning to that nuance? Exactly, exactly. Yeah. And then I get into this weird part of thinking and it's like, well, it reminds me of my dad where I'm like, oh, you're just wrong. Like what? Like the way. That you perceive the word is incorrect. Oh, yeah. The nuance that you're trying to derive meaning from the thing is like intangible it's definition. It's truth. You know? Yeah. I think you're off the mark. Right? Here's off the mark. Yeah. It's not. You're not. I think I'm pretty dialed into, like, how to shoot this, like, calibrate the shot and, like, I'm pretty close to the bull's eye. I'm not, like. Perfectly there. But I think you're, like, not close to the ball. So. Yeah. Yeah. Objectively. But but that doesn't go over well. Like, you can't just disregard what someone's saying because you don't think they're using the words to like, line up exactly with how. I mean, sometimes you try to correct people, but like also other times doesn't really matter that much. You know what I'm saying? We kind of still communicate. Yeah. But in that moment with my sister having the conversation, it was frightening. I was startled, I was like, oh my God, what if we can never talk about stuff again? How long did that? How long did that last? I had to go in my room, chill for a while. It's like, I can't lose, I can't. I need to figure out what's going on here. I need, like, a moment. I lay down on the bed and I had the, like, neon lights in my room, says a big blue light just like straight on my ceiling. And I just stared at that blue light for probably two hours. Nice. Yeah, it wasn't comfortable though. I was like. The the is this the was this the moment? This is actually my sister right. Here and what's up G dubs. Yeah. No I'll just text her until I run a part. Right now the answer or not is good. You okay. What's up guys. Welcome to the MJ 38 podcast guest spot. Other than lava, this is where, We we're just telling a story about, When I felt like I didn't know how to talk to you because I didn't know if our words meant the same thing when we were taking a vitamin dose. But anyways, man, yeah, we definitely came back to a place where we know each other was saying. Yeah, you lose the grip on the things, the meaning you. Assign to things you forget. Yeah, it's it's weird. But, Hell yeah. We're still talking about doing, how it works later. Yeah, I think I just got back from buying a dress I've been wearing sheets. Coming. Oh, we got, like, two weeks to less than two weeks. We should have a countdown on there. I'm outside and Kamri right, right. Because time flies. Well, I swear to God. Yeah. We're going to go see Joe Rogan next weekend to celebrate before Justin ties the mat. Not tie. Oh, yeah. It's funny. Yeah, for sure. A little patchy. Hell yeah. But that's cool. I'll finish up this podcast and then let you know.

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00, but I think I can still make our window. Yeah. Let me get on a podcast. I listen you good. You got anything for the fans? First colony community? Yeah. The first calling. Yeah. Do it when things seem like you keep your head down and time and forward momentum make something better. That's gas. That was fire. That's absolute. Gas. Gas in the fucking tank. A ray of sunshine and what can be. A cloudy day later. I love. GP dub. You're the ish to piece. Yeah, that was far nice. But it's a scary thing. So the Tower of Babel was kind of hitting that. The idea that you could just like not have. And Wesley was talking about it on one of the the are was talking about I guess like, I guess ancient languages that seem to have kind of populated out of nowhere. There's no, like most languages like are derived from something else. It's like something else being a foundational root. And then it just slowly branches out into different things, like one tree. We kind of trace that tree back to the original roots, but he's like, some languages just popped up. I had no roots, no, no preceding roots. And then whenever it died off like that, it never continued. So it's like the Tower of Babel suggests that they couldn't speak the same language anymore, like separated at all the people that they couldn't communicate. They can trade, they couldn't whatever. They couldn't coexist. Yeah. That's that's what that story says. Like in the I mean, again, this is like, what are you what are those words mean to you? You know. But for me, whenever I went through that experience of literally feeling like I couldn't communicate with grace and it was like, startling. And then I was also like, I don't know what the fuck I'm saying when I say these words, like how you'll perceive them, and I don't want to, like, misrepresent myself or like, say, stuff that doesn't like. But I think it was weird because I think what was actually happening is I was realizing that, like, even love like, what is love mean? Like, what does this love. Little song about that shit, right. It's a it's a, it's a, timeless classic. I think partially because it's a good question. Like, what is that that I think that I know what you're talking about when if you start telling me about how much you love someone. Right. Like, I have, like, feelings associated to that and experiences associated to that, and what, like I expectations for what that means to me over here that I'm applying to your meaning over there. Yeah. But that's like hinging on something that I'm not. So sure about. You know. That was that was the realization I was having is that. These. These are I'm a walking amalgam of ideas and experiences. And then I do my best to communicate thoughts and ideas out here. That's all of us all the time. Yep. But yeah. So but I think in that moment it was weird because the only thing I can relate it to is that's the Tower of Babel, because it was just like I felt startled and scared and we could no longer build together. And I was like, I gotta go be alone. Yeah, you know, I gotta separate. Yeah, it's like crazy. That's trivial. Shit. Or part of what you're talking about sparked that idea in my mind, because you're talking about like, what is love? Or the idea of like, what love is. And I don't know why, but I think that thought crossed my mind the other day, maybe last week when I was thinking about that. And I think it's, I think it's pain. You know, I'm saying it's like pain to lose something. It's like love for that thing that you have pain for, you know, if you were to lose it. Wow. You know, wow, something like that. There might be integrally attached. I think. Yeah. And what if love is you would pain for losing this thing, but you're not losing it. What's the opposite of that? Like if it would hurt to lose it and you're like, oh my God, if I lose this, it would hurt so bad, but you're not losing it. So then would that feel good? You know what I'm saying? Is that love? Yeah. Partially. Right. Maybe on some kind of metric. But I don't think that that's not. It's not love described in the Bible per se. I think it's deeper than we can comprehend. It's a four letter word but it's like the foundation of reality. I think you're right. Right. Yeah. Our you know what our, our ideal. It was a represent like a physical representation of love. It's like, that's hard to digest but yeah. Willing to self sacrifice. That's really our best mark for the mark. Yeah. Is self-sacrifice. And centered around pain. Would you take pain on. Willingly for the ones that you love. Yeah. Even when they don't know what they're doing. Even when you're the only one that knows what's going on. That's rowdy. Rowdy shit. That's rowdy. Life is deep. I think there's another bar that reminds me of the idea of that. But it's not love. I think it's, betrayal. The thing is, what the trope is with the rapper talking about. I'm pretty sure it was. And I think it's Benny the Butcher on a song with Russ, but I think he was more or less just trying to say that, like, I can't, I can't if I the only way you can stab me in the back is if I trust you. You know what I'm saying. Yeah. Same type of idea. Yeah. Yeah yeah. It's like you're an enemy and you do me wrong. It's like kind of expect that. So you can't really backstab me if you're my enemy or if I don't give you that trust. Dude here's another thing I'm thinking about talking about love though. Okay? I wanted to marry my high school sweetheart. Sweetheart wanted to marry my college girlfriend, wanted to marry my first adult girlfriend. Like, I think that, like, the idea of, like, I went into that relationship hoping to have, like, a love story and like a partner and to get married, it's like, what if, like that expectation, that thing that I want. And then I like, date somebody and I just, like, cast them into that play and just expect things to play out into that reality. And then like when things are aligning in that capacity, that gives me such positive emotion and appreciation that that, that that's love, quote unquote. That's love. But it doesn't necessarily mean like, I think loving like, there's some movies that I fucking love. Have some cooking. Nuance to them. Yeah, well cast it. The lines are amazing. I'm like, I gush over them. I'm like, that's a I love this movie. Right? Yeah. But what when I'm dating, maybe like the person like the quality, the traits, the characteristics, the nuance choices dialog. I think I should be like, I fucking love this person. Like fire yo, like fire character. I love that character. Right? Instead of being like, oh, you're going along with this play that I have in my head of my imagination of how love should go, you know. Like, I think maybe because I've seen it in other people too, where it's just like, I think like you're telling me that you love this person, but I'm starting to wonder if you've, like, cast this person into your your love movie, and then you're like, I will do anything for this person. I'm like, I think you would do anything for the person who is your soulmate. Yes. But like, and then you've cast this person as that person. Yes. And then you're doing it in the name of that. And I don't know if that connection like maybe that the reason you're having difficulty right now is because that's a missed connection and you're like blowing the fuze. And you need to realign those things separately. It's like this is my expectation. But expectation necessarily isn't reality. But at the same time like the person is what I should be loving not the expectation being met. And that's a that's a difference. Yeah. Because because meeting expectation could be you could be mis perceiving reality. It could be a temporary thing. But like loving the person isn't necessary. I don't think you're mis perceiving reality. If you're like when when you're listening to a song you're like yo, you're not mis perceiving reality when you feel. That when you're feeling in the moment, right? Yeah, yeah. It's undeniable even to yourself. Right? You're so encapsulated or whatever and hammered. But you gotta like, discern the like, is this person really doing this to me? Or is like my what I want to happen here, doing it to me. I think there's a. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. The story. Yeah. Because I think we maybe it's because of Disney, but I think we all have a presupposition of like some kind of romantic love story or like just the idea of, like being able to go out on a day and for it to go the way you want it to, and for those dates to culminate into some, like, really meaningful experiences and for those meaningful experiences to kind of generate, like a closeness that you share with only that person, and then that closeness leading and resulting in wanting to continue to spend more time together and kind of like blend lives together, and that ultimately resulting in wanting to get married because you want to fully blend your life together and then be on that page with that person for, for, for the rest of your life, which is predicated on the format that marriage is like where love should go. I think if that was it, if we didn't have that as like a formatting for us, then maybe we would do other stuff with love. I don't know. Oh yeah. I think or I guess marriage is we think of like traditional weddings when I think of the word marriage at least I do. But I think marriage is like a cross-cultural, you know what I'm saying. It's just like the, the combination of the two, it's like it's not even just biblical. It's a we've been doing that forever. So the foundation of reality or of like society is like a two, two solid units and then they make more little baby units, you know, caveman times and shit. Yeah, definitely. Before we could even, like, really two maybe. I guess we had some sort of articulation, but we can, like, write it down, I'm sure. Do you think we in those times like caveman times? Where were they like, when did monogamy become. Like a thing? I don't know. If I had to guess in caveman times, they would probably be more successful couples than individuals. Right. And so I think that that might have just been like survival at some point, you know what I'm saying? But I also think they're probably cavemen that had like different mating rituals, like, oh, you're beautiful. I want to have sex with you. I'm going to compete with these other cavemen to have sex with you. And then whoever's, like, winning the most competition to have sex with the woman probably has more like, access to all the women. You know, it's, like, less civilized. Big time. Big time. But I'm sure, like a Native American times they were doing. Yeah. I think their mating ceremonies and shit, you know. Yeah, yeah. And that wasn't that long ago, but I guess, hey, how preceding that one did that like start to become. But I just think that's like the. Marriages, like, the results are, like the leveled up version of love. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I think because I think it's like, yeah, built into this, like the society. Yeah. Right. Making more people and like, how do we make these people more like, effective or like, competent? It's like, give them an environment or be able to curate a place where they can, like, develop themselves. Yeah. You know, become like the best version of themselves. Yes. So I think it's like all of that's. I think that's predicated on the love. Going on here. Like the I think the end ultimate goal is to give them the best life that they could have. And it's like the most the best way to do that is to have like a stable foundation home with masculine and feminine energy and good compromise and balance, different viewpoints, perspectives. That's culminated in creating a culture of cultivation. Yeah, that's a hard sentence. Oh yeah. Yes. Well, or it's like the, it's like you had all three. It's like mother child or mother daughter or whatever. No father, mother and child. And it's like, that's like the like a holy trinity in and of itself. Or it's like each one of those three individuals have their own personality traits and their own introversion. Extroversion, five big personality trait distribution scales going on, all three of them. But then also, I think all three of them jointly and maybe even just like the couple itself as well, like the marriage of the couple is its own personality. And then like the family is its own personality. And like those personalities can be hopefully better than your individual personality or whatever. You know, I'm saying more well-rounded, more better. Just, a puzzle piece that fits more properly into the society. Big puzzle that we all got going on the role part of here, it's like, well, we all got to get along, man. Yeah, we got to communicate. We got to trade. We got, all that shit. Yeah. Foundational man. Love, man. Yeah. That's what is love. Well, we talked about it for a little bit there. That's all we got in there a little bit. That's definitely that's the what I love segment. But what. Yeah we can come back to the What's Love segment I feel like it's worth talking about. What is love. Yeah I was thinking about communication. Yeah bro. Tower of Babel is crazy. Yeah communication is nice. But then I was also thinking about one thing I like about the Vikings is like the, the Vikings were like from Germany. I think. But the part of Germany that they were in was like Scandinavia, like. Sweden or some. Right. Maybe Sweden. Yeah. Or like. Scandinavia. Yeah. Yes. Get this, this pack of Vikings. There are, there were Vikings in Scandinavia. That's what I'm talking about right now. But they were also spread out for sure I'm sure. Yeah. But these the Vikings in Scandinavia, they couldn't grow crops because like the. Too cold and. Shit. Yeah. And the ground wasn't good. And there were like other parts that were like better pretty much. And then more fertile lands. Yeah. And so they ultimately like got to a point where they maxed out like how many, how much their population could be versus how much food they could produce, produce. And then they were like, yo we need to like try to like we can either go to like distant lands and go raid or we can like travel back down to what is like the homeland and see if we can't, like, trade some of this stuff, like the hunting that we've done and the fish that we've got for like grain and shit like that so that we could last winters. And then I think people did like the story of Vikings on TV on Netflix is like, they got to that point. And then Ragnar was like, we need to go raid and stop bullshitting. We go read these little towns and we get a little money, and we do that every year. It's like, let's go to fucking Spain. Let's fucking do it. Stop being pussies. Let's go to Spain. And then he ends up killing the king, becoming the king. On running on the platform of let's go to Spain. And then everybody's like, fuck it. Change 2025. But yeah, yeah. And then that's like how that happens. And then he's like a truly historical figure. But then earlier in the days before that, all that happened when they were at their limit, they got in boats and they took a bunch of shit to go trade down the coast, like just as far basically as they went down a river until they got to, not an ocean, but like a sea, and then travel down the sea and then got to the homelands, and then the homelands were like fucking booming. And they were doing like science, algebra, like artwork. It was like fucking nuts to them. And they were like, these are people like, what the fuck? And then and they had written language and shit like that. They were just so far ahead. And then they ended up like trading for stuff until, like, they were good and then they could like, have more people. But then the other thing that they did was raid. When they went back up the coast, they would raid all the small cities on the way up the coast, which were like some of them were their own people. So it's kind of fucked up, fucked up. It's fucked up. I was. Just thinking about that, like, it's so fucked. Up, right? Let's go raid and pillage. Yeah, dude. Some people were like, that was their stuff. Like bread and butter and. Game of Thrones. They have the. Yeah. The reverse. Greyjoy. Yeah, bro. Like whole culture, whole society predicated on that shit. We do not. So it's like you're kind of a bitch then it's like, fuck you guys. Part of the foundation of. Life, bro. You got a. So they're like the dragon, the dragon of death. Like. Or the chaos and the yin. Yang near the. Water. Yeah. And the water people, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Literally. Yeah. So they kind of make sense. Some kind of balancing structure. Chaos. Yeah. Yeah, bro. That shit's. Yeah. I remember thinking about that when I was watching that show. I was like, yeah, I kind of bitches, bro. But they, they had like the kind of get theirs, you know, I don't know, they're not super prosperous. I'm not. So at the part where the uncle came back and then he's trying to kill the. Well, he's just trying to get with them. Seriously. Yeah. So that way they can run the run the world. Run it. And then he has to, like, prove his love by going crazy in the army. But he's a fucking dick, bro. Assholes. Yeah, they're asshole people. Yeah. Not not for me to downgrade Joy's character. Like I'm trying to see how that ends up, because, good God, man, like. Yeah, right. Crazy life, boy. Crazy. That show was fucking wild. The question for the podcast, could you continue to be a protagonist without your dick? Oh, there's a rough one. It's tough to imagine, right? Just like a general. What's his name? Greyjoy is pretty hard. That's what I'm talking about. You don't say like. It gets to. A point where you're like, really want him to be a protagonist, but like, he's been tortured in and out of himself. It's like, can he ever be Jon Snow? Now? It's like, what's the difference? Like, well, he doesn't have a winter. So I don't think that limits him per se. Nah, I don't think so. I think Greyjoy could be like a main character, you know, type, type person. And then I'm thinking about it. The unsullied or. The. Yeah. Oh, yeah, all of them. You know. There's one definitely a protagonist. Yeah. At least tertiary character. Let's just have to imagine that you could have the gusto to go fight another war. No, no crack. I mean, the eunuchs. It would just, Yeah. And I imagine testosterone would be lower, but that's just maybe colloquial. No, I don't know. I don't know, like you'd. Oh, man, it's so good, though. This is friggin incredible. Yeah, I think about him a lot, so I hope his story turns around, because what did he do wrong? Here's my question. Okay. He was adopted. Right? More or less. Yeah. He's or he was taken, I guess in the whenever Robert and Ned did their shit like back in the day storm the castle, killed the Targaryens, took it, took it, took the throne. The great joys. Like we're against them on the opposite side. And they, like, raided or tried to take over, I guess. Winterfell. Okay. And then I'm trying to, like, fight back against Robert and Ned. And so they try to go over to Winterfell. She didn't go well, like, the thing was, brothers all died. And then they took Theon as, like a captive, more or less. So he's, like, adopted in that sense. Kind of. Okay, okay, that's the checks. That was what I know. Okay, so I'm with you. He's over there. He's being raised by the snow's. Yeah, by the Starks. Starks. Thank you. Yeah. And then it gets to a point where. Where does he end up leaving home? Because Jon Snow goes to the wall. And then Theon goes to do something on his own accord. Theon goes with Robb and goes in fights, right? Right. Gets Jaime and all that shit. Yeah. And then he dips out from Rob's camp because Rob's like, yo, we need we need more bodies, more or less. We need more bodies and we need ships. He's like, you can go to your father and ask your father if we could borrow some ships and some men and then whatever. We'll be homies after that, right? Total be all good. So then. Yeah. Then Theon goes back to home, talks to his dad and his dad's like, fuck that shit, your punk ass bitch. He's like, why am I punk ass bitch? Like you're the. Punk ass bitch that lost, bro. Yeah. I remember that shit. Yeah, yeah. He's basically, fuck you, fuck me, fuck you. Yeah, right. Yeah. Fuck you bro. He's like, okay. And then he's like, well, if you want really want to like to win my love back or like become my son or whatever, like do what I would deem to be a right good thing then like let's go take Winterfell. Like they're not like there's no one there defending it. Like, we could we could take that shit right now. And then he's like, all right, I'll go do that shit. Yeah. And then he. Did that shit. Okay. But then he. Then at what point does he get captured by the flares? After he takes over Winterfell? He kills the people or kills that guy, and then he, like, tries to kill the boys. Pretends to kill him. Pretends to kill the boys. The boys escape with Hodor and, the lady usher or whatever, whichever one. And then, they end up surrounding them like the, like, rob people. He sends the Boltons right? Okay, so but they're Rob's people at that point to rob. People at that point in time. That's crazy. Yeah, like the Ramsay Bolton and, what's his dad's name? The other Bolton guy. He was the, he was, He's like his right hand man. Or like, part of his, like, war council. Rob's war council. Ramsay. And, fuck it for I'm forgetting the dad's name, but the dad was like his right hand man, but he. Yeah, I'm trying to remember what he looks like because he doesn't make it too much longer. Right? He makes, like, another season or so. Okay. But the hands of Dion Ramsay kills him. Yeah. To become like, the Lord of the dreadnought or whatever. Right. Because he has another son and he's like. Yeah, fuck. That shows them too. Yeah, yeah, okay. But I'm okay. But I'm with you, though. I remember all the shit. I remember the tense. I remember the war rooms. I remember the fucking his girlfriend leading up to the Red wedding with you. Yeah. And then I think on captures Winterfell and Robb sends the Boltons back to go surround them, and then they're surrounded. And then the lines like, we're going to go fucking do this shit. We've got to go die. Let's fucking go! And then they they knock him out and then they hand him over. That's fucked. Yeah that's fucked dude. It's fucked. It's pretty fucked. He had some balls right? Then that was like going to be a glory moment. That could have been a redeeming moment for him, but rather have him die that way, dude. Yeah. And even go through the. Fire. Bro. Yeah, that's. It's terrible as it's terrible. Doc dude is. This is the personality embodying like, the worst part of humanity, you know what I'm saying? Like the most cynical, the most, whatever the word is, whenever you get pleasure from someone else's pain. Masochist, realistic, sadistic. Yeah. Whatever the fuck it is. Yeah, whatever. Like that. That personality embodied was like, people are like that, you know, I'm saying people are fucking crazy. The person, the dark triad is there. The Jordan Peterson talks about like. I think it's like sadism, narcissism and. Something else. But it's his personality traits that you can end up people in, in a body, in an animating in like, it's tough stuff out there. Yeah. People like, get caught in the psychos. So yeah, he kind of he kind of had a really shitty, shitty story. Yeah, bro. Fucking tough. I'm like, he's a tough story, bro. He's a tough. Still not. Bad for that. Guy. Boy. Tough character. Yeah I'm on the final season. Yeah I am what, 7 or 8? Well, I've just got the password back, so I haven't activated it and started watching it, but I'm on. I had seen like the first episode of the last season, but I was like half watching it. And then I just like looked over and like, crazy shit was going on. I don't want no spoilers because I get it. If you hadn't, we've been spoiling. Oh yeah, it's true. There's a lot of spoilers in this bitch there. If I were. Me, I would've skipped over all that. Yeah, but I look back in Targaryen and Jon Snow or, like, fucking getting after it, like hooking up. And I was like. Bro, what the fuck? Like you felt it, but you weren't sure. And I was like, I have to run it back. I gotta run it back. So great show. I'm excited to see how it goes. Now I get why it's called Fire and Ice. Because, like. Yeah, totally. It's like games and the Starks. Yeah, yeah. And John's and what a fucking bro. John's. I'm a fuck of bro. It hasn't even been confirmed in the books. But like the show confirms it more or less that like, that's that is who he is. You know I'm saying that. Fuck yeah. The the Senate rager or whatever. Oh, so yeah, I'm not quite that far, but like, I already kind of predicted because they kind of like show on the show when brands going back in time. Yeah. And he's talking to like this lady. But then if you paid attention earlier it described that lady as being a Targaryen I'm pretty sure. And then oh no no no no no no, that's his sister. But then it talks about how the Targaryen left his person who was going to marry for Ned's sister. And then I'm like, okay, wait, if that's that guy and that's that sister, then that could be Jon Snow. And then he could have both dog. He could be he might be able to ride a fucking dragon. I don't know. He's that little fucker, bro. Some of. Fuck yeah. And so once that was in the back of my mind, I was that was competing because I kind of wanted Denarius and Jon Snow to get together because the nurses is like, well, super power as far as politics go in Westeros. Yeah, yeah, yeah, super power. But also she's like, hi, you know what I'm saying? You got dragons in them. Yeah. She's fucking she's a herb for sure. Yeah. That's her. Yeah, that's her ID. So I'm like, I want my that's him to like end up with that. That's her. But like are they related I don't know man. Like do we care I don't know man. Do we get that's the question. Different time different times, different times. It was the custom back then. So yeah that's the part of the show. The part of the whole show is predicated on to in the first episode. You know what I'm saying with fucking Damian? Seriously? And then. Yeah, right. Everything proceeding after that moment, you know what I'm saying? All the shit that happened before leading up to that first episode, it's like. And now we're brands out the window and here we fucking go. He's a Three-Eyed Raven bitch. Coming in hot. True dude. Guy there's so much going on there Bran storylines. It's fucking awesome. So good. I'm trying to see what happens here. It was. Yeah it's better the second time bro. It's even better the second time. It's so. Freaking. So competency you had with that information just now was mind blowing me like give me when the Boltons were with the the Starks. And then he sent them over there. That betrayed him. I was like, goddamn, you really know what's going on there? Oh, yeah. I follow that shit heavy, bro. I probably seen the first season like three times. Four times now. I've seen all of it at least twice. Some of some of the three times. Really good, really good. That's fucking. Incredible. If you haven't seen it, you're you're missing out. But either way, it'll be there for you whenever you're ready for it. Yeah. Last shout out for anybody to do. Do you enjoy it. Oh yeah. Severance. Yeah. Nice, bro. We watching and we watching what. The night agent a show on Netflix. Yeah I've played it, but I haven't watched it. It's pretty good. Yeah. Sometimes I need. To be interesting enough. Interesting enough for sure. That's cool. That's good. Is it as solid as the first season was good too? The first season, I remember watching it and like, I think it's based on a book, but you like the way that the first episode was shot. Or maybe just like the how the book is starts, but like just the first ten minutes here's like, oh shit, what's going on here? Like, I'm in this bitch. Yeah. It does a good job of that. And I like that was like done on purpose, you know what I'm saying? I think it was like super captivating up front. So hook. Yeah. It hooked you in the good the first episode that it's like solid nice. I think he's let it ride after that. Yeah. Fox didn't want to watch travelers again but I don't want to. It's almost. Weird. It was like. Is it done? They canceled it. So I never actually finish. Lame. Yeah, but they knew they were getting canceled, so they kind of like, wrote what could be like a ending, you know what I'm saying? Okay. But actually, no, I don't even think that's true. They just had something really climactic happen at the end of the last season that they shot. So that's kind of like what you get at the end of it. And then and it's like a good overall ending to some degree, to kind of represent the folks important what the messages. But, they kind of left it in this place where they weren't sure what was going to happen next. Like, I don't know, like we did the thing and then the thing happened. So now I really don't know. And then it showed like time passing and like nothing happening. And I was like, oh fuck. Maybe they're just like stuck in the past, you know, maybe it's over. Because also, well, here the predicate of travelers is these people come from the future to the past to try to change things that are happening, to give us a better future, because they ended up in famine, overpopulation, crumbling society. Nobody was having a good life. So they're like, we gotta change things. We need to. What we ultimately need is to not get hit by this comment so that our crops don't, Die. Yeah. So if you can identify the comment and show it to a scientist, like, get somebody on board to. Start ahead of it. Yeah, then we'll be good. And then, that's like their main goal. But then ultimately like also if they change the future enough, then like maybe the future that they came from doesn't exist anymore. So maybe they don't have someone calling them back and giving them instructions and telling them what to do next. Yeah. Maybe it's a part of the building on the idea that like if you go back in time, you can't like everything that was already preordained and pretty pre-measured. So like all the changes that you want to make, like everything happens and then you just like, stay in that reality, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Right. Yeah. That's that's it too. There's parts where like, so the future has an AI that's able to send people back in time. It's like a supercomputer that can transfer consciousness. And it also runs every prediction for every scenario, for every timeline, for everything that's happening in real time. So it can tell you like don't do this, do this, do this, do this, do this, do this. And then we'll have the ultimate outcome. And so your goal is to like do everything exactly like the I said. So that way it's predictive analytics work. And then like it's also the one giving you instructions. So like she's the one they do all these things and it's still giving them instructions. So that season two they're still getting instructions. But things are kind of also changing on this. And now there's other players coming in getting involved. Now there's like a faction of terrorists that's going back trying to stop the guy stopping. Yeah, exactly. So that's two time traveler groups in modern day time, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. So it evolves and shit like that. And allegedly everything they're doing is changing the reality in some way or another, for the better or worse. But they're not like completely out of that timeline as soon as they go back in time. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So that show is kind of saying that we are on one timeline, but if we could go back in time and change things a little bit, then the butterfly effects would be like tangible to each other. We wouldn't change it so much. It's so different that that never happens. Right? It's a fun thought experiment. Yeah, yeah. It's a tie show. Yeah. That shows tie art. Altered carbon is another tie show. Like that fucking gas. That's just gas, y'all. If you get a second. Yeah, you gotta watch that show. On Netflix, right? I'm sure it is. I'm sure it's one of their bits. Yeah, yeah. Altered carbon I think is only two seasons. It might be another one, but it's tight. Well worth the watch for sure. That's some gas. That's some gas recommendations right there. Game of Thrones, altered carbon travelers. Severance night agents. Pretty solid. It's like a spy FBI shoot em up kind of show. Oh, yeah. Thriller. Jack Reacher. It's like that. Yeah. Prime. And also the Jim Halpert one. Yeah, I know you're talking about. I know you're talking about. I think it's not Jack Reacher, but. I thought it was. No, it's that. That's a different one. Okay. Reacher is, The fox. Is that a blond giant dude, he's fucking massive and yoked. What the fuck is his then? His, I know you're talking about. You know what. You're talking about. It's really good. I don't know that Donald Glover is fucking great, too, Mr. Mississippi. Oh, yeah. That shit's gas. Yeah. We went, we watched that. Yeah, it's fucking awesome. That show was tight. That show was a moment in time. I love that guy. I love that fucking. Love that guy. My fucking dog, bro. I think it hits like that. Makes good. Art. Yeah. If you see me feel all that gothic guitar, then let's go. Maybe not Jack Reacher. Damn, I can't remember. Jack. Ryan. There it is. Right? Yeah, yeah, there we go. That's why it's hard to remember, because. It's so fucking similar. Yeah for sure. And Jim Halpert. Jared. It's like, how fucking right there. Yes. Dogs I'm good recommendations. You you asked. Me once I have a little bit do a little bit of brainstorming. Yeah. We're gonna try to. Music storming. Make some music, add a 38. Lightning lightning strike and listen to some beats and shit. Yeah. Facts shot of some shit. At least shut down. Yes, bro. Fuck yes. We'll have a thank you for joining in, tuning in, staying in the path. We're staying on the path to the best of our ability. We're praying for you. We're rooting for you. You know what's going on? Any words of encouragement for the beautiful people? Keep going. That's just what's been in my head a lot lately. I want to say I love you. That was the first thing that came to my head. Okay? But I don't want to just, you know, jump to that. Love you guys also. But yeah, just keep going. And then. Oh, yeah, I'm thinking we could listen. If you listen to Sexy Songs for you, maybe we could do a review next week. Yeah. The album. Yeah. Just talk about what we think about it. Neutral. So yeah, some new new Drake came out post. Kendrick beat downs. Yeah. It was on. It dropped on Valentine's Day. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think midnight Thursday. Yeah, yeah. And I saw it and I was like, should I say that shit? Yeah. And then, I give it to run. There's some that go over. It might be viral content. Talk about it. Yeah. For sure. Nice. Yeah I listen to it. Yeah. But we'll get into it. Keep going. Can get and we'll we'll get to the bottom of things over here. That's all we're doing. That's what the fuck we're doing over here. I don't know. Other people are talking about what they're trying to do. We get to the bottom of things. I think the only thing you can do is, is adjust your energy. Yeah. Trying to do anything else is actually just adjusting your energy negatively. All you can do is adjust your energy, like whatever that is to you. Whatever your mode, whatever your medium, however you go about it, whatever your life experience is taught you like, all you can do is like your own attitude. Like, oh yeah, that's all. Go get that mental baby, that mental right here. Love y'all. See, honestly, I've given you life. I've seen some.