To KILL or Not to KILL? | The MJ38 Show Episode #72

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Matthew and Justin talk about The Scamming Industry, To Kill or Not To Kill, and Justin’s Wedding

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Welcome in everyone. MJ 38 show episode number 72. Welcome in. Justin. Matthew. Another beautiful day. A beautiful existence we have going on here. Welcome. And hopefully your life is going great. If not, that's fine too. It's going as is supposed to. I'm sure you know this is how it goes. Podcasts are my safe space. When life's not going great. So. Yeah, right. Just put this on in the car, doing dishes, doing the dishes and watching a podcast. Or listen to a podcast and say like, hey, I'm going to kill these dishes. And I even feel. It feels great, right? Yeah. Folding laundry. It's awesome. Yeah, man. The little household. Sheesh. Driving in the car, long drives. Like, like if you drive for a job, you know, like you're just getting paid. Listen to podcasts for the most. Part, you know? Yeah. Like, yeah. You were doing that for a while. Like when you were getting that windshield time. That's what robots would call it. Yeah. Does it mean Billy Madison, dude? Yeah. Getting paid to listen to radio show. Yeah, I would drive, like, I remember I was like, maybe like an hour to the first plant and then maybe, like 30 or 45 minutes to the next plant, and then like an hour and 15 minutes to the next plant. So that's probably like. One of those three hours. Yeah. Like three hours a day. Which is. I was into it. But it's half your day driving. But then also there's like, you know, if you fuck up when you're driving like one time, fall asleep or hit somebody like, you lose a job pretty much. Yeah. So some people don't want to incur that risk. So it's easier to give it to. That's like the trade off. I got to work hard but you got a lot of risk. Yeah. You gotta be careful. I know that I think one of Victoria's friends boyfriends, he, he drives like a, like a CDL you know. Oh yeah. Like like big trucks and shit. Like, for big deliveries. I was like, good money, dude. Yeah, I think he makes decent money. But, yeah, it's just a lot of fucking driving, bro. Just driving all day, all day. But he was saying that they have, like, extra precautions as far as, like, cameras and shit, like dash cams and like, rear cams, just like there's no question or, you know, I'm saying. Oh, yeah, I thought you meant like on them, like some, like a camera watching them. Oh, no no, no paying attention. No. That's smart. Someone hits you, and then they want to say it was the company. You hit me? Yeah. Type shit. Yeah, I think he said there's a lady that backed into his, like, big ass truck. Like he backed into his trailer and was, like, trying to, I don't know, trying to finagle a little something. Arm. And he's like, we got cameras, bitch. Like. Like you like you're not going to get me, dawg. I'm sorry. That's only you. You hit me. People are fucking crazy. Do people do? The craziest things happen? Is that. Does this sound appealing to me? Like, all right, we're going to go let this truck hit us and we'll make like 300 K. Yeah, like insurance scams and shit. Like fucking Slippin Jimmy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, nah, not for me. But I see it. You know, so many scams going on nowadays too. That's great. People who invited us, Slippin Jimmy energy. For those of you who don't know, Slippin Jimmy's a reference to Better Call Saul, the the crazy lawyer from Breaking Bad. That show's incredible. To Better Call Saul. That shit's bomb. I love that show. I like the better the Breaking Bad. Yeah, I thought it was fantastic. Like, super fucking good. Yeah, I think the dialog and character arcs are more, like gripping, but there's more action and Breaking Bad. It's more like shock factor. Drugs, drugs, legal drugs, pushing drugs, like running into drug dealers and crazy people. Yeah. And it was the first time we saw it too. So you're like, encapsulated by this new, like, what do they call it when it's a new experience, like novelty. Yeah. New novel experience. And then that doesn't happen for Better Call Saul. But I still enjoyed it more. Yeah. It was fucking. Delicious. So freaking good. But yeah. So like Slippin Jimmy is the main character or like Saul Goodman is the main character, but his real name is Jimmy McGill or whatever. And then. He. He starts off like like whenever he was in his younger days, he had been Slippin Jimmy like he would plan a fall or like, you know, like, try to get people for insurance money or whatever. And it happens to him, like in the first episode of the first couple's first. Maybe it might be the first episode. Like maybe first two episodes, I think so, like the skater kids. Yeah, like run into his car or like, get hit and he's like, get the fuck up. Like. Like I invented the slip roll. He, like, tells them how they're doing it wrong, why they're not gonna make it work. And then I'm so good, bro. So solid. But yeah. So people people are about that action, bro. About that, about that illegal scamming action like insurance claims, insurance fraud and then just also all the scams that are going on lately, and especially with AI and shit. Yeah, it got real trendy. To try. To finesse money. Like. Fake cards, fake, like that text tag scam. Yeah, that was one. I think I got a text yesterday or this morning about it again. Second time. So it hit me up. There's a movie, I think it's called The Beekeeper or Beehive Queen bee, starring Jason Statham, which is about him going fucking John Wick on a bunch of people that are scamming old people because like, that exists. Like, yeah. Old people are more vulnerable to there's like manipulative ways. And so it's just Miss Sullivan that, you know, that your 41K is at risk right now because you haven't compromised your. 345 I form to a 444 two form so I can help you do that right now. I think I got scammed one time. Yeah, I think. Spectrum, I think like I owed spectrum money from my old department. And then someone called me saying, like. I'm going to collect more fucking. Yeah. Like you never returned. You're saying you owe, like, this amount of money? Like, what can you pay today? I was like, not a lot. About, like. Really can't pay you. And he's like, well, can you pay like, 50 bucks, 100 bucks or something? So that way I can get this, like to the back of the stack and get you off the off the thing. I was like, yeah, I can pay. Like, I like, I get you $100. I think I would like 350 so I can do like $100 and then I can get the rest and then they're like, okay, I send it over. And then I was thinking about I was like, they never call to that shit ever again. And who who only. Takes partial pay like that doesn't even sound like how spectrum operates. Like, Like, I might have just found out that I had an over outstanding spectrum bill, and then went straight to my line. Yup. Fucking got me for 100 bucks. Information's powerful. They. Yeah, like you. Especially if you if there's something true about it, you know. Yes. Yes, bro. That was one. I think I may have told you a little bit about it or. Yeah. We were telling you at a the bachelor party, my brothers were telling us about my mom and my stepdad getting scammed because they were like, they had enough information to know that my step dad's family, one of his family members, had, like, been in and out of jail or, like, not doing well. And then they, like, use his name and say, hey, he's in jail. Like we need some money to bail him out or blah, blah, blah. And it was like personal, you know, like they knew who his I, who he was and like, his personal like, history. It's like, dude, what the fuck. 500 bucks. If you were going to scam is smart, right? That'd be the way to do it. Right. But you ever heard the expression like if you work that hard on having a career, you know if you tried to just do your homework as much as you try to get out of doing your homework, you'd be an AA student something. It's like there's just so much truth in that. People want to cut the corners so bad they'll work harder, cut in the corner than going around is going straight. Yeah, dude. Yeah. So the text tag one is a big one that's been popularized recently. Yeah. Text tag. And I think. All right was listening to a Joe podcast, but he was doing a plug or sponsored ad read for LifeLock or whatever. Yeah. Identity theft. And he was saying that, I guess what, last year, last year, the IRS had said that there was like an increase of 20%, a 20% increase in, like, identity theft and identity fraud through taxes and stuff, doing talk during tax season, because I guess there's a lot of different hands that, like your W-2 goes through from like your payroll from your company to the IRS. And I. Guess whoever does your. Taxes. Yeah, exactly. There's a multiple hands on it. And I guess at each hand-off point from your employer to the IRS, like there's a, a risk of someone getting that information or whatever, for sure. It's like, bro, that's scary shit. Yeah. I was thinking about how, like, the person doing our taxes gets, like, they have my fucking social number. My, like, all of my personal information was like. Yeah, yeah, trust that tax man. Yeah. Right. Like, are you are you keeping that saved. All right. And then that person who's going to win one day, Luke's brother, Luke, was my college roommate and my one of my high school best friends set out on a football team. His younger brother's football prodigy. Someone stole his social security number when he was, like, ten years old. Really? Yeah. Here to get a new social. His social security is like XX1772835. It's like it starts with XS because he had to get it like replace what. Yeah it's crazy right. What the fuck. And it was like this whole big thing because someone stole his that stole his identity. Yeah. Stole a social to go pull out a loan or some shit. Yeah. Or like, I think some, some people do it to get or. Yeah, like, if you don't have a Social Security for any reason, then you need like, I was thinking like, people who immigrate illegally, sometimes they need a Social Security to do basic stuff, you know what I'm saying? Get a job. Even 100%. So, yeah, it happens, bro. Happens to a lot of people. Yeah. Dude, that reminds me of, like, that old, Barbara, the client I used to have for personal training. Yeah, she was on, like, a dating website or whatever for, like, older people, more or less. Chock. Full of it, bro. Chock full of more focused. Try to scam people, bro. Like they may, or some fuckboy bro. She's just trying to get a little pipe. I love you, big pipe hookah. Flavor, right? Like medium size pipe. Something nice. Something, right? Right. Ma'am. About you know, I don't know, dude. Yeah, they're just. Trying to scam these people. And I guess they all people are a little bit more susceptible because they're just not as tech savvy. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. For sure. Maybe a little bit more inclined to believe someone who just says whatever. Like, oh yeah, you're you're X, y, Z is not up to date. Whatever fucking forms, information, internet. It's got to be a point where you okay. Going. Through your paperwork, your personal firebox paperwork and sending it to a guy where you're like. But that medium. Pipe might come. Through. I don't know. But that's a overhype on that. But like, yeah, if you're like 60 and you want love, like I put the blinders on a little bit, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah. Anybody would. Yeah, yeah. Super fucked up. If I saw it that way. I'd be looking for a medium pipe at that age for sure. Just play for a different team. But the the metaphysical results the same. Right? Yeah. Yeah. So I'm, I know that's definitely a large like, stomping ground for those kind of people. Totally fucked up man. I remember there was another person I was because I was doing door to door for a little bit, doing whatever solar, you know. So it was solar door to door I don't think was anything else. But in that door to door, I remember there was one person I was talking to and they were just like I was doing my spiel, whatever. Like, hey, sorry to bother you. We're just in the neighborhood talking about whatever, trying to save people money on their electric bills type shit, and they're like, sounds great and all, but like, it's nothing personal, but I just don't trust the auto door salesman because I've been fucked over before by a traveling door to door salesman or whatever. Totally. And this fucking guy scammed totally. Happens all the time. I was always. More worried. About. Someone just coming into your house with a gun after you were like, open the door. And then they're like, so you, like, alone? Is your, partner here? Because I want to be able to talk business. They're like, oh, I'm alone right now. It's like. Perfect. That's not my phone. That's fucked. So someone broke into our house when I was like, in seventh grade one time. Oh, I remember you telling me about that. Yeah. So I've always been kind of like in Criminal Minds. We talked about on episode 70, bro. Like. I'm definitely a little not not a lot paranoid, but a little paranoid. About crime and shit. You know what I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah, totally. They were living that life. I think people scam people every day. Like just in personal connection. You know what I'm saying. Yeah. So in conversation I. Remember being a server and being like that's all grass. And somebody said they were from San Marcos, Texas State. And I'd be like, oh yeah, I'm finishing my degree at Texas State. Like right now. I'm like three years into a four year degree. I was not finishing that degree. Yes, I'm three years into a four year degree. But like, I wasn't actively going to classes. I wasn't like had my heart set on. In six months, I'll start going. To classes and yeah. It was just an easy way to get it in when somebody recognized it. But I hadn't even thought all of that out. I was just like, on some level, I was like, like me. Please relate to me. Like I relate to you right? It's kind of a scam. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Or like perception manipulation. Yes. What's going on here? Totally, man. It's, It's very like, like a drawing thing. Like it's very easy to be like, I want this person's approval or to just be on the inner level of friends. Like, I want to break through that glass between a random person, like, with ease. And so it's like a learning just to cut a corner or whatever, but. The. Lies add up, like you can't. It's not good. Not good. The other thing is, if you cut all of those out, then like your vision on the truth is so clear, like it's so clear that you see other ripples really easily. Joe Rogan talked about it just the other day, and I was like, yes, bro, I'm saying this for like years. That like, if you really aligned with truth, then you can see when someone's not aligned with truth in a way that they can't see, that they're not aligned with truth because they don't have that vision. So they think they're acting how everybody acts. But it's like, nah, this isn't you're not being genuine. They're like, this is genuine. This is genuine energy. And you're like, you don't know what genuine energy is or you literally don't know. Yeah, that's genuine to you. Yeah. Right. And it's like not everybody operates or some people. Get. Aligned with truth in a sense where you can like just smell it almost or sense it or be like. Think that's cap, you. Know. Yeah. But then more vulnerable minds like especially to get kids someone I remember being like 17 or 18 and we're playing basketball with this guy who was tomahawk dunking bro. Tomahawk in. There's all the validity in the world you need. That's authority. That's what. It is. And he said he played for Kansas. He's like yeah, play for the Jayhawks. And I was visiting. Chalk more for. It. I was visiting A&M at the time. Okay. So I was dating a girl out. There, open gym or some shit. We were just at their apartment complex, like outdoor court. Okay? It was like my girlfriend was roommates with. A younger class, my basketball player. And so. Or it was like my girlfriend was rooming in then that was a girl. And then it was the sister of a boy who was a sophomore, and I was like a senior. And so they were like, well, can you bring why? What's up? Why didn't you bring Y out to A&M with you when you come so he can come visit for the weekend? And I was like, yeah let's do it. I remember because Detroit by Big Sean had literally just dropped and I was saving it for the road trip okay. And I was like, look, here's the deal, bro. We're going to have. To do a jam on this album. Bro. Go put the windows down or put the subs up, and we're gonna listen to every single song. And I'm not going to talk a whole lot during it, but like, I'm not trying to be a dick, but I got to like, digest this album while we do this. Yeah. He was like, done, bro. Absolutely. Let's do it. And I was like, alright, cool. So but then we were playing basketball one night while we were out there, and then there was one other guy there and he started talking to us. We tomahawk, we start talking to him. Because the. Fuck are you on bro? The slammin told us, played for Kansas, told us his name, how many points per game he likes playing against fucking whatever college he said. Tulane, I don't know. He's like, I went crazy on Tulane. Had like 40 points total fucking story. And then we get back to the apartment, start looking. This guy up doesn't fucking. Exist on a fake name. Yeah. Completely doesn't. Exist. Oh my god. Like scouring the internet for this guy D2, D3, 40 points against Tulane. Like never saw it doesn't. Exist. Bro. It just I felt stupid, you know. Like duped. Yeah. You got you then got got. Yeah. Like I gave that guy so much clout. He was just like. That. Stupid young kids. Fuck me on the shit, right? Like, what a weirdo, right? Well, getting. Off on that shit. What a weirdo. But as maybe not getting off per se, but definitely, like, striving for your approval or striving for you to agree with his reality. It's like, yeah, this is this is truth. It's like, I believe your truth. It's like, oh, you're a fucking liar. Crazy. He's wanted some clout from these people you don't even know from, I mean, all these people. And he was like 21, 22. He's in college or older. We were like in high school still. Okay. It's like, what are you fucking? Your little brother's don't like you or something. You wanted to fucking feel it for a second. Like, what the hell? How you can't decay. And then what happens when we look it up? Or like. Cuz he. Was gone. Yeah, right. Or like, if that were. If that. That's the thing with, like, psychotic people are like crazy people. Narcissistic people. It's just like the, the one, the one time interaction, you know, it's like, but life doesn't occur on a one time interaction basis. Sometimes you do, you know, sometimes you meet someone once and you never meet him again. Sure. But like in the event where you, like, go to school with someone or you're you're in the same social circles as someone, you're going to see them again. Totally. But if you're not going to see them again, there's like, why not just fucking lie to them about whatever and get them to believe what I want to believe? Because you can't just do that, right? Yeah. You can't just do that and not expect repercussion and like reality A to slap you around a little bit. They compromise part of your spirit in doing so. Yeah. You lose your vision or you know yeah you you add more smoke and fog to the fucking matrix and then you can't even discern reality anymore. Eventually start lying to yourself 100% and then you don't know you're lying to yourself. And then it's really hard to discern reality at that point. And then you're fucked. I wonder where he's at now. With what he's doing nowadays. Lord knows, I imagine he didn't finish school. I don't know why. I just if you had to try to finesse me out of a, I would have just been cool with you. Yeah. You know, we could just play basketball. Yes. I mean, I don't need any extra, extra fluff in this. Post, you tomahawk dawg. I'm already giving you the juice. Like, even if you just told me, like, yeah, I'm still trying to work it out. I might walk on, might try to walk on I don't know man. I mean like fucking. Let's go I'm. Rooting for you. Yeah I believe in you. Yeah. Like but but that was it. People are weird bro. People are fucking weird man. Yeah. Like some people get off on fucking like stealing. You know that's a lot done. I guess disease is a word I wanted to say, but it's a was also called. Oh, like a cut though. Cut the main. Yeah. Some shit like one of the characters in Breaking Bad does that shit, she's like, start stealing stuff from open houses and then, like, making this fake stories of about her dead husband and shit, right? Yeah, totally. No fuck is that? They're trying to point to something with that behavior. That's just fucked up bro. Yeah. That's that's reminds me of the one of the most recent shows are the one you put me on. See the one with the chase chase whatever chase Hughes or some shit the guy was talking about like psychological like psyops. Oh yeah. That shit's crazy dog. Yeah. He's excited I. I can readjust myself. The way he talks. About it is so crazy because he's just so matter of fact about it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. People are crazy as fuck. Like, it's so easy to, like, manipulate people because I think what he's pointing to in that, or maybe he's not pointing to it, but what I gathered from him, talking about that with such ease and like reverence, he knew because he see studies that show he studies like a, like psychology and like all the psychological experiments that people being manipulated or like changing their narratives or changing whatever they think is happening here and like getting people to comply. He's like, right. And you stand here like spread your legs out a little bit, or like being a hypnotist or being a fucking con man with charisma. It's like it's so easy to manipulate people. And he literally gets employed to. Do it. Yeah, like for a profession. So now not only does he study it, but he does it to people. He's like. It's possible. Bro. Like he's like, oh, it's so easy. Yeah, yeah. It's like, whoa, what's scary how easy you use like. You claim it is. And I guess it is. But I think partially what he's saying in that. Is. Or what I gather from it was a he's I think it's like we are so we are so powerful. We don't even know our own power, you know what I'm saying? So if you don't like, consciously take control of your creative, creative power like someone else can easily manipulate your creative power and like get you like take it from you and like use it for their creative power and whatever they're trying to manifest or whatever they're trying to create. But you know what I'm saying? Yeah. So I think he was saying that, like, if someone's super suggestible that I think I'm, I took that to mean that if someone's super suggestible, they don't have a grip on their own power. You know, they're not consciously aware of, like their creative ability, and they just go along with whatever. For whatever reason. Novelty and authority are the two easiest ones to get someone to believe you or whatever. Yeah. And then those have like subcategories for how you develop novelty and develop authority. So. Fucking bananas, dude. So crazy. But yeah, I know the suggestibility thing is like a scary thought. And that's a really well put together thought that it's, un harnessed to creative power, unaware. You don't know. We don't know our own ability. Yeah, you get them painting. It's like you're trying to paint a painting and then like, you just get them painting the painting to. And they don't even know that that's what they're doing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Because I guess people are. Maybe there's like a natural inclination to believe someone for some people. For most people. Bro, you want friends, right? Like, I remember trying so hard to like. Like I almost like, let a bully bully me when I was a kid because I, like, wanted him to like me or just wanted to be cool or, like. Accepted. Yeah. Like I couldn't get it across my mental. Like I should have been like, fuck this kid. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? But I was just like, why? What do I have to like? I'm not doing anything wrong. Like, like, dude, like some people are fucked, bro. I wish I could tell him, like, just fuckin kick that dude in the nuts and then just go from that, bro. Say, fuck you, nut cake. Whatever happens after that, just go with it. Like with. That. That's how you do that. I don't know if everyone should handle that situation like that. Everybody the nuts. But like, I probably would tell my younger self that. But it's what I'm pointing to I guess really is like you have to not be so agreeable, not so susceptible, like, you got to like, stand up for yourself. And sometimes draw a boundary and sometimes be aggressive back because that's like unfortunately. The only. Like if someone's beating the shit out of you like, and you don't fight back at all, like I don't know if that's the right answer. What if someone's beating the shit out of your brother? You know what I'm saying? Just kind of, like, not do anything about it. It's like you kind of probably should try to stop it. Yeah, yeah. And sometimes aggression is the only way. To try to. Stop aggression. I'm not saying it's a tough balance. I'm not saying beat the shit out of people is the right thing to do. Sometimes you. Think. Like protecting, protecting your peace and yourself. Second amendment, dude. Like, yeah, right to bear arms. What does that point to? You know, like we have the right to protect ourselves. Yeah. Kind of shit goes south. Totally. So that kind of all goes back to like, it's difficult to develop. I think we don't necessarily at first have that mindset going into life where like, we realize we need to protect ourselves. So we kind of have like a naivety of we're all maybe doing good here. Or like people are genuinely not trying to hurt each other. And then you find out that there's people that are dangerous and sadistic, and then it's like changes the equation. It's like, oh fuck, maybe I should be straight. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, man, you gotta be careful out here. People are trying to manipulate for sure, I guess. Yeah, that was I think Joe has mentioned it before, but like, I guess in the idea proposed for, like, aliens. And it's like how maybe it's like, just like humans that got super advanced or whatever, and like, they don't have any genitalia and they communicate telepathically like there's no need for war or violence because there's like, no ego. And like, I think he's mentions kind of in that same conversation, the idea that like, the only like, what's the reason for aggression? It's like sometimes like the reason for aggression or like, why do we have that in our DNA? Like, why are we capable of that? Because, like, the aliens don't really seem that way. The same, just more like chill or whatever. Like advanced. They like advanced advanced beyond that. Right. But I think he mentions like the idea that we like to be a good guy. You need to be able to beat the bad guys, you know, because there are bad guys. It's like, if there weren't any bad guys, there would be no reason to have aggression or to have like. That energy. Yeah. No, I bet we can name ten movies where the good guys got to be the bad guy. Start with John Wick all the time. Well, I don't know if he's a good guy. That's like a perfect example of that line. You don't. I don't know if he should have killed all those people. Like, what's the overall good to evil ratio of that, you know. Oh yeah I was like Dexter you know. Yeah. Oh God. Yeah. Killer murderers. Yes. I don't know if that's the exact right. Yeah. Exactly right. Don't think so. Kind of. I don't know. Because it's like another question is if evil's happening and then you're just like letting it happen. Like willingly, knowingly letting it happen. And it's like you're kind of aiding in that, you know? Or it's like you need to put up a stop. You need to put it like a fucking stop gap or a wall. It's like, no, no more not pass here. Especially like with your family and shit. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I think that's like a pretty instinctual thing that we all have in us. Like to protect the pack as much as a child. It changes the equation when it's yourself versus like family. Because I have like a presupposition that and I could be wrong. Open to comments, send them my way. Probably not going to read them, but I'm open to them. Send them, send them any way. That, Like Judaism believes heavily in the Torah, which is the first five books of the Bible and then the first five books of the Bible. It says like an eye for an eye. And so, like. I think that. The Jewish community does believe in like retribution in that sense, maybe not all of them, but like, as, religious outlook. Yeah. That that's like fair. You hit me. I can hit you back. But then Jesus said to turn the other cheek. So like in Christianity, which gives more credence, maybe to like, the New Testament and that Jesus came to change the Old Testament and like, those are the ways for those times. But then Jesus, like, reformed it and brought us a new kind of peace. Who's the prince of Peace? Yeah. More nuanced or, higher elevated. Yeah. Or it's just like, maybe it was just time, like, we needed this. We need the Ten Commandments, and then we needed the Torah, and then we needed, like, the. Full, Fulfillment of the love promise that God made us. And then so then it's like, okay, well, an eye for an eye made sense to some people at some point in time, but my religion tells me that that's not the answer, that I should turn the other cheek. Well, then I'm like, what if it's like my younger sister is getting beat by her abusive boyfriend? It's like I could turn the other cheek if someone hits me in the face, but he hit my sister in the face like, bro, I don't. I don't know what's going on. I'm gonna turn your cheek around. Like giving a clap. Clap in him cheeks. Yeah, dude. Pause. But like, yeah. I'm with you though. That's that. You know, my dad was telling me about his friend who had a kneecap list. What's that? That anti-capitalist. It's like. Well, if he's ever going to find out he had a week to live from cancer was to people he was going to go blow their kneecaps out. And I was like, that's kind of hard, fucked up, but like, fucked up. That's kind of like part of me was like, nice, fucking nice. Get him back. Get him back. Right. I don't know if that's evil in my spirit, you know what I'm saying. Yeah I guess it's yeah I think you're hitting something with the idea that it's a little bit easier if it's like you, but if it's someone that you love it's like oh it's a little bit harder to let that should go. Yeah. Right. You know I can't turn the cheek for them necessarily. But fucking people. Yeah. Totally. Motherfuckers. That's a good subject to I think probably the right thing to do is to try to get your sister out of that situation, to defend and protect, but not to aggressively attack. There's like, let's say you're in a bar fight and this dude's wailing on your boy. You could pull the guy off your boy and you could throw him to his friends, or you could pull you could suffocate him and try to break his neck. It's like, which one of those is the more proper action in that point in time? Probably the. Piece. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? The least amount of damage. Right? Right. But that's that's a fucking nuanced level of Christianity. You know? Yeah. Because we have to deal with that. Or like, we have to contend with that, that. People are fucked. Up. They're going to scam you, they're going to try to manipulate you. And then the physical violence is a whole different thing. Yeah, true. That's another elevated version of that. It's like, fuck, I don't if I just let that shiz lab. Yeah, totally. Yeah. Jason Statham fucking kills all those people for scamming his elderly woman friend. Yeah. Then you're watching. You're like. Yeah, fuck em up. Fuck em up, brother John. Wait, dude. It's like, oh. I would change, man. Now, like, but, It's a weird thing, bro. Yeah, dude, who knows what the right answer is, love, I guess, but fuck, man, love looks different sometimes. Kind of shifting. I was just thinking about, like, Jesus being the Prince of Peace. What does that mean? The Prince of. Peace? I think one one thing they might point towards is like the inner peace. You can get. I guess I like peace and stillness within yourself. I guess, you know, okay, with you. It's fire, you know? But then, yeah, there's other people out here you got to fucking deal with. Or at least I don't know if. He did turn the other cheek. He let his friend betray him. He let them crucify him. But he also wasn't passive his whole life. He definitely was confrontational at points. Oh. Big time. So? So he can definitely be confrontational. He was like a rebel, right? He's like, yeah, y'all y'all wrong. It was like, right. Y'all are all wrong. To the point he got him killed. Yeah. But but he's the Prince of Peace. So that's kind of like that's a nuanced subject right? Yeah. Maybe advocating for peace makes you a prince of peace, but being, like, a pushover, is it, like, peaceful? Yeah. That's not the right way to be, right? No it's not. I could think so. Like I can say with Jordan Peterson's authority, it's not. I've heard him definitely say being a pushover is, to have sharp teeth. Yes. Yeah. Here we go. That's the thing. He sharp teeth when I use them. Yes. Like that's true nobility. Like being meek. Yeah. There we go. Keep it a sharp sword in the sheath. But why we need that. Sword, Jordan. Why do we need that sword? Because more fuck is out there cause he didn't always stay. The catch. You need to catch a little fucking scythe, bro. I guess like the ultimately nuance layer. Is that being, well. Being able to defend yourself will deter attackers. Yes. And that's the optimum outcome, is to be so well-defended that you deter the attack. Yeah. I guess this is what is the part of life that we need to be able to do. That I think is also there's another thought that I have that just blinked in like, think about this too is like, I think when we all get to heaven, all of the offenders will be greatly apologetic for what they did in this life, and that might happen before they die, too. If I happen to 80 or 70 or 60 or after a psychedelic trip at 35, like people, we I think we should give people every opportunity to give up their life of sin. And as Christians, it's our job to try to propel people into realizing that their sinful life is not the right way. It's like, what's the best way to do that? Well, one problem is, is if you most people that are fucking with other people are hurt people big time. So then if you hurt a hurt person, you're downward spiraling them. And so forgiveness is a way to try to upward spiral them a little bit. And all we have in this life is, a small span of time to try to evangelize before we go to heaven and spend eternity with God. So it's like to to help evangelize in a maximum output way. We should forgive the people that are offending us because that's ultimately us trying to get them out of their downward spiral. But if I beat the shit out of someone beating the shit out of my sister and then I embarrass him, I freakin whip it out. And piano lies on the ground. Here we go. Yeah, kick. Out some of his teeth. And I was got to walk around. Toothless. His life's going to get worse. His demeanor, attitude. He's going to do it to someone else. Probably even worse. You know what I'm saying? Whereas, like, if I can maybe. Maybe set him straight. That's also a good what do you discipline children. Discipline. Yeah. Yeah. There's action reaction consequence. That's a that's a. That's Newton Bros. Now is X bro. That ain't me dawg. That's just the way of the beast. Yeah. But I think, Jesus on one hand does kind of like do more than science does for us. So I think. That's what. That's what Jesus, I think is driving it is try to be like, better than the status quo, be better than the laws of physics. This is a more true, more true metaphysical of physics. But. Sometimes we're on the human, bro. We are just going to say we ain't Jesus. Yeah, exactly. That's the thing, dude. I think, I think I've heard Shannon Sharpe say it, or somebody say, I think it's a there's like, Jesus told me to turn the other cheek. Well, that's in the Bible, and I ain't in there like. That there's a book of Matthew, but it's not this Matthew. Not true. True. I mean. I think one of my superpowers as a human is to uphold, to agree with the ideal, even when I fall short of it. Some people, like Cain, destroy the idea when they fall short of it. And I think that's what this whole story is about, is that there's a lot of power of holding up the ideal, even if you fall short, because that's that's the path to maybe one day upholding the ideal. And so I think that that. Like, there's my. Brain is like not you would just even if you couldn't be, turn the other cheek as Jesus. Don't say that. That's not the right answer. You're just not strong enough to do. Can't do it. Exactly. It's a high level. That's some high level faith right there. Yeah, definitely. And then I got to repent. Like, I can't I can't feel justified in that. Like, I have to I don't have to do some soul searching and, you know, like repent. That's the only word I can think of, like, not not be happy that I did that on some level, not take pride in it. Not not tell other people that's what they should do. Like I should be a witness that I did that and I don't feel good about it. And I don't think it was the right thing to do. But I'm only human and that's that's the nature of sin right there. Like we're all going to sin, and then ultimately we should we should all, like, profess that we don't. We're apologetic that we wish we didn't have to be that way, you know? But then there's also different levels of like, dude, like the scammers, right? Like they could turn the other cheek. They could turn a new leaf. I mean. There we go. Turn it all sorts of shit in here. Everything. They could turn a new leaf and not scam anymore. And then like. That. They those people shouldn't say to themselves, well, I'm just a human. I'm going to have to scam forever. It's like you could stop. You could. Stop. It's a better way. Yeah. But there's other things that I think that we're always going to fall short you know. It's like I don't know. It's like a take mentality. You know what I'm saying. Or like yeah. It's like a taking mentality or like a consuming mentality. There's no I think. The things happen. Over there in those instances. Yeah. This is just slang. Slang in, in those instances it's like they're trying to they're trying to make money. They're trying to make money. And I guess money is like value. So it's like typically you get paid exchanged money for adding value to somebody. Like you make their life better. You solve their problems, make something more efficient, clean up their house, form labor. Yeah, yeah, be a part of their. You add some value to them and then you get paid back. Yeah. But there's like trying to cut out that add value part. There's like give me the fucking money. Take value. Yeah. Just take it's I'll take like that day. Right. Nah nah nah. It also wasn't right that they crucified Jesus. It wasn't right that Judas betrayed him. It wasn't right that, Peter denied him none of that shit was right. You know what I'm saying? But that's ultimately like. The, like, the most. That that's the walkthrough for the video game. That is life. It's like the only book we have that can point us like, towards the ultimate end goal for whom we should be. So there's like both things are true. It's complicated and nuanced. Life is crazy. Deep. Yeah. Peter was never not going to deny Jesus. Yeah. It was it was all pre preordained. It was all it was all going to happen right. This is going to happen. And he still loved him which is crazy. Still of Judas. Just crazy. Yeah. Like that's. Fine. Like Jesus I'm saying that's how. You do it. Yeah for sure. So I don't know if there's different rules for us and different rules for Jesus. Right. That's an interesting thought. I really don't want to dive too deep into it. But like the ideal. And then there's like coping with the fact that we're short of the ideal. Those are kind of two different things. You know what I'm saying. God didn't come down as not God. He came down as God and man. He didn't come down as man, not God. You don't want to have too deep in that. I'd rather just keep the ideal, the ideal. But that's a crazy thought to think about. Yeah. Yeah. Because I that just got me thinking about like, pastor Ed or like other pastors. It's like they would everyone I guess all ideally they're trying to, you know, be evangelists and be on the right path and be the ideal and embody love and those principles. Yeah. Point towards Jesus. But but if. Something's going on with their daughters, you know what I'm saying, or their family or their grandma or their wife, like getting robbed in a parking lot. No one's going to let them all fucking take your shit. Lord, please forgive me for my sins. No. Had the Bible of God watching like. Yeah. I hate to ask for forgiveness, but look at what I did like. Yeah, I wouldn't, I wouldn't let someone kill my sister, I wouldn't, I would shoot them in the face. Yeah, that was absolutely straight up. I know it says don't kill on the Bible, but like. A murder them off. Okay. Yeah. Facts, dude. Like, I just couldn't do it, man. Like I couldn't thinking about it, like, there's no way. No way. No way I can let it happen and then be like, hey, man, I was trying to be good Christian. It's all. I could do. Like, bro, like, I just couldn't, man. No, I think there was a Keanu Reeves. I think there was a quote that he said on like a Tonight Show or some shit, or talking to Drew Barrymore or some shit who's just like, I think she asked him. She's like, are you love her or fighter? He's like, I'm a fighter. Like. And then she's like, I'm gonna love her. He's like, well, no, like if you're a lover, you have to be a fighter. Because, like, if you're not willing to fight for your love, what kind of love do you have? Oh. And the crowd. Goes crazy, I'm sure. Yeah. Nuts. Banana sandwiches. Yeah, that's that's food for thought. Well, I wanted the panda. Jesus. And then he says, next. Jesus. I feel like I love John Wick. I'll be honest. I don't like the matrix. Great. Yeah. No, These are one day we'll have these kind of discussions we gotta think about. I think I'm gonna probably say, like, I always knew you were gonna fall short. You all fall short. You all do. Like, now that we're here in heaven, do you guys feel that? Do you feel that that peace that we all have together? No one wants to hurt anybody. We all have no need. We're all blissfully happy. Do you feel how you could have tapped into this when you were in your life? But you couldn't? But you could have. It's like that's what's going on here. And then. Yeah, the only way is through Jesus. The only way is to repent of those sins and then claim Jesus as the ideal. And then that that is your access point into heaven is just to know you're in the wrong to some degree and try to do your best. Yeah. And that's the paradigm we exist in, bro. So is it. Is it. Avoidable to not hurt someone hurting your family? It's like maybe not. Doesn't make it right. No. Does it mean you shouldn't do it? Maybe not. You know. Yeah. I'll. Yeah, yeah. Maybe being willing to kill. Willing to kill for something you love. Pastor Ed, I would love if you feel like you would make me. Chop it up right now. Please, please. I'm going to tag you like these are the conversations. I would love to have a spiritual leader. I guess I call my dad, too. I don't speak for my dad at all. We've got a pretty stacked gun safe. Like. I know my dad believes in the Second Amendment. Protecting our family. Don't. When those people broke into our house, my dad came out with the strap. Strapped up. Flashlight on, fucking on my house. I will shoot you. I don't obviously fuck out of my house, but he's fucking. You know, energy efficiency. Sweeping the rooms, you know what I'm. Saying? Yeah. Not in there. Like clear. Yeah. And then those dudes ran for real. They were like, get out, get out. Thank God he came out with the strap, bro. You know, I'm saying we could have tied up was in a little Wayne songs. Like, I don't know, that's scary to think about bro. It's crazy. Man. But yeah. So those people because we got to we got to account for those people because those people exists. The devil owns the world. Like this is devil's playground. You know this is where we're allowed to be tempted. Something to that. That makes all of this possible. Yeah. What the fuck. Now we started this was Slippin Jimmy and got all the way to the bottom of the rabbit hole. More or less. I don't have an answer. I have a conclusion. This isn't one conclusion there. Yeah, it's. The answer is indefinite. Like, who knows? Usually we come to like a haha. This is bread of life right here. You can eat this and understand things. I don't really have one of those here. Yeah, because I know that if it's turn, the other cheek is definitely the right way to be and loves the answer. But son of a bitch, man, those people don't play by that same playbook. No. No. Absolutely not. And you can't just let them rule the world. You know? No, you can't, you can't. No, no, you can't. Yeah. Jesus did it. Yeah. You watch on some level. Yeah. Right. He's like, y'all are wrong. Yeah. This is just wrong straight up I guess he he didn't go John Wick anymore. Focus now. But he called out the hypocrisy to their face. He flipped tables on a temple that was sacrilegious. Like he made his point clear. You know what I'm saying? He stuck up for what was right. And on some of them, maybe that's like, ultimately all we can do. You know? But. It like Jesus raised his friend from the dead. I'm not saying that's like a character flaw, per se, but, like, he didn't have to do that. I feel like he was like the that's the closest thing I can do because Jesus never beat somebody up in his sister's name. But he did raise his friend from the dead when he died. So it's like there is, two bonds that tie ties the bond. That is a Drake song called that. Okay. What it's called. But yeah, there's like, things that make us who we are. And like, the love that pours out of us is part of what makes us who we are. And I don't think we could betray that. Truly, we will do anything we can for the people we love. I think so. Yeah, because I guess Jesus didn't have, like, a kids, like a wife, right? So he didn't have like that level of protection for those people. But I think if he did or like his mom, you know what I'm saying? If someone was fucking with his mom. Oh my goodness, he's not gonna let this slide. I don't think I, I don't think so. I don't think so I doubt it I don't think so. He's going to go this. Is just going to drop the world. Drop the on your fucking head. Thanks dude. Like like Weezy F said who knows. One day all all will be revealed. For sure. For sure. Whenever we die, it's like, oh, there's all the answers. Yeah, I think the answers. Part of it is like, we're in, we're in a dying, decaying world that Jesus is going to have to come rescue, and we have just little brief moments where we can let Jesus shine through us. But for the most part, we're for the most people fucking up our life and all of the world all the time. It's like not there's no way you can, like, actually obtain the ideal and then like, create true goodness that will ultimately win. Like, this world is doomed, like evil is going to slowly, exponentially get to a totalitarian, tyrannical evil that rules most of the world. And then Jesus will come back. That's like, what is happening here? That's this. Movie. And then there's little moments and little nuances where you can shine Jesus into right now and protect the good and stop the quick rise of the evil. But that's like also I guess that's where a story exists. There would be no story without conflict. There'd be no conflict without the snake. And then ultimately we probably learned more than anything through story. That's why the Bible is translated their story. And so to have story, we must have this fucking gray area nuanced problem. Yeah. It's like. Part. Of the the shit. Yeah. There's there's gotta be conflict. There's gotta be that there is the story. Like the total adversity. That is the whole fucking point of the movie or the other book. It's like if you tap into the or like I went to the to the Nirvana state, I went there, I touched it in that state, nothing happens. You're good, you're good. You're good. Nothing's happening. Like, because everything's already happened. You're just like fucking chillin. You're like, oh, this feels incredible. That's why I just want to sit in this pool, this fucking Jacuzzi of crazy emotion. It was like ecstasy was like, oh, my God, this feels incredible. This feels great. I don't give a fuck about anything. I don't give a fuck about anything. I'm not trying to push any personal agenda. I'm. There's nothing I want to do. I'm good. I'm good right here. And with that, there's no story. There's no ups. And downs. There's no fucking redemption. You already redeemed like you're good. Like there's nothing going on. There was like, this is the place where things are happening, I think. But the reason things are happening is because there's like evil here or the fucking the back and forth of the the demonic forces and the heavenly forces or whatever the good and the evil. The bad and the good. Yeah. That's just what's gives us story. Yeah. The fact that we could choose bad or we could choose good as like we gives us a story or the options. Totally. But if. Yeah, if you're if here's all good like. You're you're just chilling. Nothing going on. Yeah. Which I guess is I do think heaven will be like that. I think so too. Yeah. But like. He is the. Molder. I am the clay, right. Like I have to be molded and you can only, I think, mold people through story and conflict and adversity and bad things happening. So does God want these bad things to happen like I don't I don't think that's necessarily true either. It's just the paradigm that we exist in in life can't exist like true life can exist outside of that paradigm. And so, yeah, I think that's it. Yeah. There is no life without that or whatever we perceive life to be. Yeah. It's like that doesn't exist outside of this realm. Like we just get it. We're like, I think it's like plugged into this realm for a little bit. We only get like 80 years, 70 years, whatever. If you're lucky. It's like in in that time, who knows? This could just be a training simulation for the greater spiritual war that will be revealed to us in matrix esque fashion after we die. Right? I mean, like, I'm not saying the Bible. Dies, like, take off the heads, like, like. Oh, the. Angels are like. He's up. He's he's he's ready. He's ready for the next one. Yeah. Or. Yeah. Or you go back into another incarnation. Like there's no like, I think the. This might be sacrilegious. I'm not sure heretical is the right word. Okay. But like, the Bible might be exactly what you need to get through this life right here. But it might not thoroughly explain what happens after we die. And in the sense where, like, maybe we need to understand that heaven is a thing and we need to pursue heaven through this life right now. But when we get out of here, there might be like another thing going on that God would then explain to us. And that's, it would make some sense of all of this stuff we're talking about. You know what I'm saying. Yeah. I guess we would want the, the underlying thought there is we would want the pain to have purpose. So if God was like, I'd that happened to you because of. This. Then it would all make sense. Like, oh, okay, there's a war I need to get ready for. Or it's like, oh, that was like a practice. Life in real life is actually much harder. But if you don't pass practice life, you'll never pass college life. It's like. I don't know, there's spitballing. Here. Yeah. But that would make some of it make sense at least. Here's another thought is that if someone breaks into your house, grabs your wife, holds a knife to her neck, you shoot him in the face. Bang, you ain't going to jail, right? You're not in the wrong. Yeah, like at all. Self-Defense is a thing. Totally. So, like our court of law, our our judge of truth and right and wrong wouldn't put you in the wrong category. Yeah, we've been doing. And that took thousands of years to develop that law or, you know, said written law. He wrote I think we were lawless for a long time, just fucking cavemen and shit. Yeah. I don't know if there was, like a sense of justice back then, you know. I think so there had to be like. I think it comes down to the tree to us as you, as you want to be treated, you know. Yeah, it's a little bit. Because it's like one caveman killed another caveman that was respected. Then several cavemen killed that caveman. I don't think several more cavemen are going to come kill those several cavemen that killed the one caveman who killed the good caveman. It would be kind of like settled. We're even now. And that would be like justice. So the scales are balanced, right? Harmony. That would probably. There was probably a sense of that. It probably wasn't just random, reckless. Whatever the fuck happens is whatever the fuck happened. Yeah, maybe it was like that for a while until like, we started to be like, that's not right. This isn't this is a feel right. I don't want to live in a place where this kid is, like, happen all the time. You know. I want to be, like, some law and order here. Some walls, some fucking. Some rules that we all agree to. Took a long time to get there, I'm sure. Yeah. I think it's what bring you back to Better Call Saul. Like Saul's older brother. He's like, this is what separates us from the animals. You see? Like the like the letter of the law is all we have that, like, makes us a civilized society. It's like you're kind of right, Chuck. Kind of right about the spirit of the law. Yeah. That too. I think that the spirit of the law influenced the letter of the law. Yeah. You were saying? Yeah, totally. Yeah. What's right? What's fair? Yeah. Because there's a lot of ways where Jimmy is cutting the corners all the time. All the time. His whole life he's been doing that shit. Yeah, but. Yeah. So then that's part of why his older brother is, like, you don't really deserve, like. To call yourself a lawyer. Yeah, like you don't deserve the life that I have because you didn't do it properly. You didn't make proper sacrifice for it. And then I think on some level, Jimmy's like, how proper is your sacrifice? Like, ultimately, you know, that you get to have the life that I would want to have. And because of my situation and the things that I ultimately had to do or chose to do now, I can't have that. Like what makes that right? He's like though, the idea of the letter of the law. It's a difficult sentiment because you because as a viewer you're like rooting for Jimmy. Like you want him to get his dream and his goal. But you're not I guess are you. Were you ever rooting for him to stop finessing, to stop it, to stop slippin? Yeah. Let's just be Jim. Just be James. Yeah, I think so. I think, yeah, whenever he's like, there's a portion where he, like, passes the bar, just becomes a lawyer. And then he's like, focusing on elderly law and like, yeah, fuckin wills. And land, land type shit for the older people in their affairs in order before they die or making sure they're not getting fucked over. And he stumbles upon that case. All right. So retirement home? Yeah, the retirement home. It's like fucking these old people over and, like, charging for crazy shit. Yeah, like taking all their Social Security and whatnot. He's like, that's not right. So he's like, you could have, like, gone down that path. Or at least I think you kind of want him to at least a little bit. Yeah. You're right. But then he like, just regresses back to his old bullshit. Totally. And then Kim kind of helps him do that too, because she came from like, some bullshit background, but she, like, she breaks out. Yeah, she breaks out, then becomes like a public defendant, like the one of the most noble professions you could do. Yeah. She's like, chooses that. Yeah. She's like, fuck all the money. I just want to help people. People will help people? Yeah. Who can't help themselves. Yeah. I'm like, I'm the I'm the last line of defense. So it's like super noble and like the lawyer profession, you know. Yeah. But I think yeah, I think you want to you want him to like, be like a regular fucking lawyer. No, you're right, you're right. Right. Yeah. You're rooting for him because he's your guy, but you don't want him to make the bad choices. But yeah, there's something real palpable about like well how you say I'm not worthy. How worthy are you. None of us are worthy. But you get to have the thing. Like what is that. Where's the spirit of the law there. And that's kind of like one of the driving forces, I think, of slipping. Jimmy is like, what really separates me from having my brother's life, like, just circumstance. Situation like, that's a tough pill for him to swallow. And I think that's what creates his, self justified, taking from other people and boosting himself up because his circumstance, the situation doesn't give him the same opportunity to have the life that his ideal has. And that's, that's a relatable thing for a lot of people. Like I mean. Some people are rich. They're just born rich. It's like. It's inherit. What the fuck. Your piece of shit. It's like I'm a good guy and I'm poor. So like can I fleece people a little bit every now and then to try to make up some of that ground. And what's right. Yeah. What's fair. And it's like, well, I was born rich and you weren't, so stealing from me makes you a fuckboy. It's like, well, yes or no, but you're a fuckboy all the time. Like, what the fuck. That that's the, that's one of the major, I think underlying motifs of that show that it's trying to like play with that the reality of circumstance. Yeah. This is what it is. Yeah. Yeah. What the fuck man. Can't condone it. That you can't get on it. Because, you know you objectively. So watching the life, you know, that's the thing someone's fucking people over or trying to because I think there was another part of the movie or the show that I think it was whenever Jimmy was a kid, and he gets introduced into, like, malevolence. Yeah. Or like it's, I think malevolence, like, talks to him directly through, like, this character who's like, stealing from his dad or whatever. His parents own the gas station or, like, the little convenience store. Yeah. And then the guy, like, he's like a drifter, he comes by and he's like, oh, I need, I don't know, he's asking him for money or whatever. And then Jimmy's dad goes and gets him some money or goes and get some whatever. And then while he's doing that, Jimmy's like. Don't do it, dad. Like. He's he's lying. Like, don't fucking don't what are you doing? And then he goes to get some money and like the, the guy who's scamming them, it's like talking to Jimmy when he's like, I don't know, like ten, whatever, 10 to 12. And he's more or less just like people, like there's wolves and sheep, pretty much. There's wolves and sheep. It's like, you gotta choose which one you're going to be. It's like, oh yeah, I'm. Gonna be a yoked up sheep, bro. And you're not gonna fuck with my flock. Brett. Let me be a shepherd. German shepherd. Yeah, dog. Yeah. Okay. The wolf boy. You know what the fuck we're talking about? So I guess he kind of gets, like, brought into that idea of. This is the way it goes. Like, you play on this side to play on this side. Clinton convinced me. That this convince. Me that. Yeah, like, right. You oh. Maybe because I watch Star Wars growing up, like be a Jedi dog. Like there's a way to be a good person that has a lightsaber that fights the evil. You know what I'm saying? You don't have to be like a person that just gets manipulated by malevolence. Yeah. Like my heart's like being a little fat because I'm like, fucking. Yeah, dude. Like it's obvious to me like that you should do the right thing. But you should also be strong. You should have sharp teeth but not bite. People like sharp sword, skilled samurai in the sheath as much as possible. Like that's the ideal. That's like. And fuck evil people, bro. Scamming old people like, are you kidding me, bro? Like you're a piece of shit. Like that's how you're going to get by in this world. Is are you going to create existence? You have a grandma. Would you do like you wouldn't want me to scam her? No, I doubt it. You would not, dog. I don't think. So. What are you going to say? Like. Oh, you got her. She's dumb sheep, am I right? Like, bro, like. Like a job, bro. You got. That was a good one. Oh, what if I said I out of all of her money and then she goes broke, and then she has to go live in a shitty side of town, and then, like, she gets sick and dies. Ultimately, like, scamming her led to death. It's like, then do you think I did a good job? Like, where do you draw the line where it's acceptable and now you're pissed off? But then you're going to be hypocrite. Dude. That's the thing about all of this is that like it's a downward spiral or it's an upward spiral. If you start being a hypocrite then I start being a hypocrite. Then we start doing this and this is we're just going. To. Like that's like the devil's work, bro, is to get you locked in patterns of downward spiral. Yes. Lying and lying and not looking at the truth. It makes sense because you're not just going straight down, because then you'd be like, oh. I. Need to stop going straight down. It's like you're going in a spiral downward. And you think when you're going around that you're coping with the fact you're going down, but actually you're just going deeper and deeper and deeper into hell. And that's why I don't want to warp someone's assets, open someone's asses, because I'm just going to send them down a spiral because I think I'm doing the right thing. But I'm actually downward spiral, like me, too, you know? It's like the true elevated Jesus is like, kill me, bro, kill me and watch this guy's turn black. The universe itself cries out for the evil that is done. And that shit's. That's bigger than me. Bigger than you, bro. Like you can't avoid God can't. I think I don't know what you were saying like the a part of the sentiment that it is the ideal to be meek or to have that sharp teeth or the sharp sword, it's like, why like that is the ideal. I agree with the 100%, but I think it's like almost a little counterintuitive or it's like, you need you. Why do I need the sharp sword? Why do I need this thing at all? It's like, because there's fuckers out there that's it bro, I'm sorry. Like there's just fuckers out there like, well, can I exist in a world where there's no fuckery going on? No. I'm sorry. Like, that's just the way of the game. It's like, well, fuck. It's like it's been someone's ass was beating someone's ass unjustly is like the right thing to do, like Moses. You know what I'm saying? He kills those motherfuckers or whatever. There's someone getting harassed, like by the Egyptians or some shit, and he kills them. I don't know that story. Yeah. It's hard. Fucking kills him. Well, then he talks to God in the bush later on. But he's like the heathen. He's the mother fucker, bro. He's the one who leads the people out of the shit. And does the thing. He's like the chosen one. Yeah, he's one of the ones. You know, I was like one of the fucking OG OGs. He carried, like God or like the idea of God for a while. Like. Like being given the ark was to carry like the covenant of the promise of Jesus through the Old Testament, to the point where it could get all the way to like, Joseph to get to, ultimately, Jesus, you know what I'm saying? There's a few people that carry the the actual, like, religion itself. Yeah. And he's one of those people doing, like. One of the Mount Rushmore big one, bro. Yeah, he's a big one. But he definitely kills those people. And he kills these guards or whatever who are, like, harassing this person, like, unjustly and like, that's the right thing to do in that situation. So it's like, you can just turn the other cheek all the time, I guess. I don't know, because you need the sharp sword. Yeah, yeah. No, totally, totally wild. It's that. It's a crazy. It's a crazy thing that we're we're right on the edge of it. I can fucking feel it. That's why I try to start talking about spirals, because it's like that's also right on the edge of it. But it's not quite. It's like the right answer isn't even the right answer, but sometimes it's the best answer you got. Because this life is flawed. This whole shit is fucked up. Yes. It's not. It's a great game. Yes. Yeah. You're playing a retain an a rigged game. And it's like sometimes you're gonna have to do the, the wrong thing. That's the right thing that you still have to accept. It was the wrong thing. Yeah. I'm going to I'm going to sin right here. Like, yeah, you're gonna you're sitting all the time anyways on some level, like. We're always trying to repent of those sins and overcome. Them. But I don't think that. I don't think you should let evil happen to your family because you're trying to be passive, like. Right? Yeah, that's not right. Because trying to carry peace. Well, if let's let's. Say there's a shooter in a movie theater. It's okay to. Be a prince of peace in that moment, what would be to stop the shooter to re to re garner the peace that was there before the shooter? And if you don't do anything when you could do something then you're advocating the discord of the peace. Yes. But if you have the gun to be a, to be a peaceful person to like create the peace again, I think you have to use it. Yes. That's tea bro. I don't want to tell the kids that. I'm saying you gotta. Be mature to get there. You should never kill somebody unless you have to. Like. Oh, it's a little rough. It's a little rough around the edges. Totally. Yeah. Jesus didn't kill anybody then? I think so, but we're not Jesus, man. Jesus, Moses. Definitely kill some people for sure, 100%. And there was, That's interesting. David. Equal Goliath, right? Oh my goodness, what are we even talking about? Okay. Solved. Okay, so case close, your. Honor, I actually just kicked your JS because I feel like we want. It's over here. Go on. It's launch. It's over. Doug. But, And he said, I'm. I'm gonna kill you and all your brothers. I'm gonna cut your head off, and I'm gonna kill your brothers. And he grabbed five stones, and Goliath had four brothers, and he was ready to kill his whole family. Fuck you. Yeah, yeah. Crazy, bro. Like, that's. That is like, God. Knows a lot of people. I would say. That's one of the stories we hinge our early faith on David and Goliath. Big time. I think a. Lot of children like, know that story before they understand Jesus as a conceptualization at all. But why would we teach that right. Well that that really breaks through what we're talking about here. Right. That turn the other cheek is like oh I mean David didn't turn the other cheek one. Hell no. No he had to. And here, here this is good too because they didn't have full war. They like minimize the amount of, like damage they had to do on each other. It came down like, let's do let's if we're going to do some fucked up shit, let's do the smallest amount of fucked up shit we have to do to get the result that we need. To have to be. Yeah. To be mutually agreeing that, okay, we're done. Like this. Is it like we squash the beef right? But we can't. It's like the Billy Kimber and fucking Tommy Shelby. He's like, are you with me, pussy? Like, let's fucking go. Yeah. There's something admirable idealistic about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There were fucking on my axioms right now. I'm kind of. I'm kind of like, yo, damn. It is deep. Probably get so deep. Yeah. Jesus is like, elevated version of all of us. But none of us are him. You know what I'm saying? None of us can be like that. God knows we're flawed people. I guess, though, that was what I was going to mention about in, like, regards to Moses or whoever else is doing like killing people in the Bible, but like doing it for like a just cause, like for the right reasons, quote unquote. And even like, not even just killing somebody, but like a another one pops of mind is like, Jacob, whenever he comes out of this, comes out of the womb, he's like, all right, guess him and his brother Esau or whatever his, his older brother. And he's like, older brother is like the favorite brother. He's like more masculine. Does the hunting, does the fishing, does the killing, whatever. His father favors him a little bit and he's like older. So he's gonna get all the shit. Get all. Me. I don't know. This. He don't get all the inheritance. Okay? But then Jacob is favored by his mother. More feminine and more cunning and smarter, more linguistic versus more brute force and hunting. And Jacob, like, tricks him. He tricks his brother or whatever he like, gets him to give up his birthright. And then he he gives up his birth. He gets his older brother to give up his birthright for like a fucking piece of meat or some shit. Like some food. He's like starving. And he's like, I'll give you this food for like, I'm your birthright. You like your inheritance, pretty much. And he's like, fuck it. Yeah, whatever is fine. That's oddly reminiscent of, the devil tempting Jesus with bread in the desert. Just some like that. Yeah. So he, he does that to his brother. Then he, he doubles down and goes even further, fucking him over because he does, he takes his birthright for a piece of food and then he like dresses up as him, wears his clothes like some uses his musk or whatever. You know, I'm saying to smell like him and, like, put on facial hair and shit. And he, like, tricks. His dad because his dad's, like, dying Abraham or whatever I think is Abraham. And then he, like, tricks his dad and then or Isaac, some some lineage like that. Go ahead. Somewhere in the lineage. I don't even. Know what you're talking about. So. So that about. It's hard. Yeah. There's people there's so many names. There's so many names. And those names literally change, like, you know, say, like Jacob's name is not Jacob anymore. At some point he turns into Israel or whatever. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like all that kind of shit you. Look at in this. Stuff. Yeah. This is a whole years of studies for this kind of shit. Please go on now. But another. Yeah. So he definitely takes his brother's birthright, and then he, like, doubles down and fucking all over again because he dresses up as him, poses as him, and then his dad is dying, like, on his deathbed, pretty much. And then he's, like, super old and, like, can't really see or he's not super, super, you know, with it. Yeah. So that's why he like kind of dresses up and sort of puts on this garb and puts up this facade. And then he goes and he gets his blessing too. He's like, I'm gonna take your birthright and I'm gonna take your blessing from our father. Pretty much. What does that mean? His blessing. I think it's like a I'm not even sure entirely what it is exactly. But like, I guess it's like the good fortune or like the. I guess maybe it's like the confirmation of your inheritance, I guess, or some. Shit that could be. You know, something. He's like, you know, like, many blessings on you. Like, the Lord is my smile upon you type shit. You know, it's like you're gonna have a great life. You have my blessing. And like, you have nothing but my love. Pin real. Quick. Yeah. And sometimes I think that, like other people's energy. Like, if people don't believe that you deserve something, then like, their negative energy could blockade you from that thing and that ultimately being like a righteous person would be like, you're undeniably people would be like, I want that person to succeed. But like when you have a grudge with somebody and they're like, fuck you. Like their energy could block your blessings too. And that ultimately the like when he gets his blessing from his dad, it's like green lighting his energy to allow that person to have the maximum future. I don't know if that's necessarily what was going on, but like, that's something I've kind of felt before in the universe that, like you can't really like have if there's like in your workplace, right? Like you want a promotion, there's like 25 people think you deserve it a lot, but five people think you're a piece of shit. It's like those five people could stop. Like, it's not like they're going to politic and say no. But it's like, I think metaphysically that energy would stop that thing, that blessing, from occurring to you. Because energy's powerful. We can't see it. But like, yeah intention. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know I don't know. That's that's a crazy thought I am I might literally just be like signing the inheritance. Right. But please go on. I don't mean to cut you off. No. Yeah. That was. But yeah, he more or less just fucks him over taxes and takes his inheritance. Gets his father's blessing, and then he, like, dips, you know, he like, he fucking dips because, like, you saw, I was, like, pissed, you know, I'm saying, like, oh, I'm gonna fucking kill you like that. All right, so he's got a dip. He takes off totally. But then I think he I think when after he takes off, he's like, goes to sleep. And that's when like the Jacob's Ladder thing, like, comes from. Okay. He like, passes out and then he like, gets a the vision of like a ladder to heaven and like the angels are coming up and down that ladder and like, communicating with like the God they got like true God like. But so God knows that we're flawed people like we're fucked up. But he's still like, it's okay with Jacob. He's like, now you're good now. Like you're, because he was like, super repentant, I guess. Or just like, super like, I fucked up like a I'm in a bad spot now. Like, I'm. I don't even get that inheritance, you know? So I had to fucking dip down like I'm out of here. Like I'm in a shitty story now. And then he. I guess through that community, communing with God in that repentance and feeling sorry for yourself, he, like, turns a new leaf and he's like, you're no longer Jacob anymore. Jacob was a guy who fucked over his brother and shit. But now you're Israel and now you're going to be like a a soldier for me. Pretty much. So, like, even if we do have that fucked up nature within ourselves, like, if we're Moses killing somebody or Jacob doing whatever he had to do with his brother, it's like we still have the opportunity to turn the leaf like Samson, you know, Sam says like another. He he was fucking up his whole story, bro. Totally. He was like, super heavily favored by God. But then he's like, just fucking it up and fucking stupid fucking. Inoki being a. Jackass. Yeah. And then he like, finally has like a redemptive moment at the end of the story. But like, we know he's so God knows that we're not we're not Jesus. God knows that. You know, I'm saying he doesn't expect us to be Jesus. Totally. We maybe we just need the ideal sense of this shit to even be have any good in us at all. We need the ideal to point out and repent from falling short of. Something like that. Totally. So it's like gravity. Like you just need it to exist. Like an ideal has to be present. Jesus is the ideal, but your capacity to be the ideal and possible. Can do it. You just need to understand that you're not always the ideal. So that way you can have that leaf turn. So I don't want to be that way. That's not that wasn't right. That's not. Right. That's not right. Well. I love that. I love it. Almost just want to stop there. But when I think about. David. He had a bad turn in his story later in his life because he becomes a. King. I'm not familiar with his story 100%. I'm going to probably butcher it. I'm so sorry. Try to. Pastor at. Please come and. Tell the story straight for us so we can talk about this all day. But ultimately he becomes a king and then he, like, has a wife and then. He. Like, falls in love with the wife of one of his first lieutenants. Okay I remember, yeah. Okay. And he's like a general. Okay. And then ultimately, like, I think kills the first lieutenant and, like, takes his wife. Yeah. I think he, like, sends him on the front lines pretty much. Yeah. He's like, oh, you're going to be like the front lines, motherfucker. It's like a death sentence, pretty much. Right? And then like. I don't. Know what his. I think it ends poorly for David because he shouldn't have done that. He shouldn't have. Like, his life was good. That guy's life was good. But he, like, lusted for that person's wife, and they, like, had the power to finesse the situation and take what he wanted and then ultimately use that power to to try to do that. And then I don't know if he died because of it or lost his family or stop being king, but like, I'll just look it up on YouTube so I don't leave us empty handed. But all that to say that even though David was the person that had the capacity to go and kill Goliath, it manifested later in his life because he had the capacity to kill un righteously and take what he wanted. And so that's not good, you know what I'm saying? But they didn't need him to kill God, didn't need him to kill Goliath to propel. Like, I think the Israelites ultimately into or like, the same way we're talking about like Moses into like Jacob, into Joseph, into like God needs to propel the story of Jesus forward until Jesus himself can come out and he uses flawed people to do that. I mean, we're all flawed. Yeah, all of them. Every single person. What is the full story of. King David and the. Bible? Yeah, give me a little cliff notes on that. ChatGPT. I'm sure that he just doctored up real quick. It's one of the most detailed and significant narratives in the Bible. I don't know, they're just gassing me up sometimes, you know? Good question. Matthew. Yeah. Good job. Interact with me more. I had a crazy conversation with ChatGPT last night. Really? Oh, we can get into that later. This is the Bible part right now. I'm so into it. We're into with y'all. The prophet Samuel, under God's direction, anointed David as the future king of Israel was also. It was Israel who's propelling that one felt good to hit. I felt like maybe I was wrong there. And yeah, the Israelites were at war with the Philistines and the trembling Goliath. Yeah, totally. Okay. David became a commander in Saul's army. It was incredibly successful. He developed a deep friendship with Jonathan. Saul, son Saul, envious of David's popularity, repeated. Try to kill him. This is, I guess it's king at that time. And David fled and spent years as a fugitive, avoiding Saul's assassins. Even when David had the chance to kill Saul, he refused, showing his respect for God's anointed. King. That God wanted to kill him. And then, out of respect for God's anointed king, didn't kill him back when he had opportunity. But then David becomes king after Song and Jonathan died in battle, David mourned them. He was sad, even though Saul tried to kill him. And then he was first crowned king of Judah, then eventually king of all Israel. He conquered Jerusalem, making it the capital, and brought the Ark of the covenant there, which might be a nuclear device. Not sure that's a derogatory. I'm just gonna keep going because not that much longer. David expanded Israel's territory, defeating its enemies. He showed kindness to Mephibosheth. Mephibosheth, who crippled the son of Jonathan. God made the David covenant with him, promising that his descendants would reign forever, ultimately fulfilled in Jesus Christ. Propelling I just got chills. I'm like, yo, I kind of know what's going on a little bit. All that church is like working out there, the subconscious, subconscious. But yeah, a lot of this is like like I said, like trying to continue the lineage till Jesus could come. And then it's crazy because it does say like 2 or 3 times. Like when he refused to kill Saul, God was like, that's my guy job. And then, when he when. He when he mourned. For his king, that was kind of crippling. Yeah. Ultimately, God made the, The David Covenant, I guess. I think because he constantly tried to do the right thing up to this point. And then David committed adultery with Bishop, the Bathsheba. Bathsheba, the wife of Uriah. When she became pregnant, David tried to cover it up and eventually arrange Uriah's death and battle. You know, that was it. And the prophet Nathan confronted David, leading him to repent deeply. Though forgiven, David faced severe consequences, including the death of his child. And then David's family suffered due to his past sins. His son Amnon raped his half sister Tamar, leading to his murder by tomorrow's brother Absalom. Absalom later rebelled against David, forcing him to flee Jerusalem. David's army defeated Absalom, but David grieved deeply. When Absalom was killed, and then David's last years and legacy and his old age, David appointed Solomon as his successor. King Solomon's like big figure in the Bible of the goats. Yeah, exactly. Before dying, he advised Solomon to follow God faithfully. David died after 40 years of reign, leaving a lasting legacy as Israel's greatest king. David was a flawed but faithful man. Though he sent greatly, his repentance, was genuine and got honored, honored him. The Psalms he wrote Psalm 23, 51 and 103 continue to inspire people today. Jesus Christ, don't say we're sorry. He wrote Psalm 23, Psalm 51, and Psalm 103. Okay, 20. 323 for as the valley of the shadow of death. That's. David dies. Hard. That's how hard is it, David? Let's pull. Yeah. I used to have a necklace. I had it on there, man. It does inspire people. Today is what I'm trying to say. And then, it says Jesus Christ, the Messiah is called the Son of David and fulfills the promise of David's eternal throne. That's crazy, man. But he's pretty fucking flawed. Super flawed. And then. But yeah, there's just a lot going on there. Ultimately, when he did let his flaws shine through because his first, it was like he killed Goliath. We're talking about his murder, about or not. But God was like God like guided the stone. You know what I'm saying? So that was supposed to happen. God used David to kill Goliath to propel Israel. How do you justify that? Right. That's a whole thing. And then when he refused to kill the man that wanted to kill him, God was like, that's my dog. And then when ultimately he cheated on his wife and got someone pregnant and then on top of that, tried to cover it up by killing his friend. That's when, like, his whole family went into turmoil, his children started sending his some of his lineage literally died. And like so there are. And then he repented for those sins. And then God was like, I'm going to honor you because you made the full turnaround. You repented of your flawed ways, but being unable to avoid the flaw, flawed ways. I think that might be the nature of the beast, I think so, I think that's the nature of the beast. I just might be what's going on here? Totally. But in all. Of that chaotic glory and making God proud, making God sad. Psalm 23. We still talk about it today. And Jesus was known as the Son of David. Like, yeah, like, wow, big time. So I'm not trying to say you should kill people, but it worked out for David. It's I think it's justifiable. I think there are times when it is right. That's what he did. Murder anybody? Sure. He should definitely kill someone if it has to be home. I think we actually found the bread. Some bread. I couldn't find it. I was like, we got to dig deeper. We gotta find spread. Yeah. I remember hearing, like, a really good sermon about David's life and, like, the story and like, taking you through those nuances one time. And that's why I was like, hold on, that guy's a complicated character. What is it that that's what led me to pull that up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, with some shit. And ultimately probably made God pretty proud despite being super flawed and fucking up and like, yeah, leading to the death of Jesus fucking up so bad that his children died for it. Still made God proud. Something to be said for that, you know? Yeah. Because God knows we ain't going to be perfect. Yeah, yeah. No one Jesus was the only one, did you? Right. Every single person in the Bible fucked up. So the the saying I ain't Jesus. That's a real thing. You're not. Yeah you ain't. I'm not to. Don't worry. You couldn't. You can't be. He was saying it spent your entire life trying to be something. You know, you still fall short. I still fall short. I don't know if this is that that sermon shining through my personality or if this is, like, legitimately the conclusion that I'm coming to. This might be the pastor's words talking to me. Okay, but I'm living for those little moments when when he made God proud, like when he made the covenant of David and said, like, I'm going to bring Jesus through your line. Your family will reign forever. Like I guess ultimately because he. Like, didn't Saul was trying to kill him and he was like, I'm not going to kill us on that. It's not the right thing to do. Like I did kill Goliath. It was the right thing to do. But I'm not going to kill Saul. That's the God's anointed king. Like God chose that. Just like God chose Goliath to die. God chose saw to live. So I'm not going to disrespect that. And then God was like that right there. This from God. I'm just living for that, bro. Yeah. I'm not trying to be a king. I'm not trying to figure out the right thing to do. I'm not trying to be Jesus. I just want every now and then God to be like, that's my that's it right there. I think that's that's probably the. The highest. Thing we can reach for that's actually attainable. Yes. Yes. The most legitimate. Yeah. Attainable thing that we could actually do. It's made God proud a couple times in your life, if you're lucky, you know what I'm saying? And he made God proud by being remorseful when he did it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. By by the the true repentance I truly recognize I think I fucked up, I fucked up I'm sorry. It's like okay. And you can't I forgive you with God. Yeah. Because he knows your heart. Yep. I'm saying words are just words. You know, saying. But like the true sentiment and intention behind your energy, it's like, I'm really fucked up, man. I fucked up big time. It's like that. That true, genuine, like remorse and repentance. You can't fake that or you. Can to other people. But God knows, you know. So does that come naturally to you? What do you naturally feel remorseful if you did something wrong? Me personally, like humans. You. Yeah. Right. Yeah, yeah. I don't think there was ever. Maybe. I'm sure God might show me some, but, like, first instance, a gun to my head. One time my dad says, hey, I left the thing in the car. Will you go get it? Here's the keys. Sure. Go outside. Probably like 7 or 8, maybe 5 or 6. Somewhere in that range. Young. I walk in, I open the car door, my dad's wallet, my notes, thick ass leather wallet is sitting, like, right in the cup holder. And like, I just grabbed it. I was like, oh, this is cool. And I opened it up and there was money in there. Hey! I was like, yo cha ching. Let's go baby. And I pulled. Like $2 out two single dollar bills. Out. Okay. Put them in my pocket. Grabbed the thing that I supposed to grab and I walked. Start walking towards the door and I just like, boom. Started feeling terrible. Like, oh fuck, I just stole from my dad. The guy who loves me. I just stole from him. And I was like, I want to do that. And I went back to the car and I put the money back in the wallet and then, like, went back inside and, like, I still remember how bad I felt, like walking inside, almost committing the crime. Like getting away with it. I was like. I don't want to do that. Yeah. So when you when I'm asking you if you're remorseful when you do bad things, that's what I think about. Like, I definitely had a natural instinct to feel shitty about that. Yes. Right. Right. I think it's I think it's. Well, I. Don't, I don't know, maybe it's in everyone. I would assume so, but maybe not because it's like there's literally crazy people out there. Literally lunatics and psychotic people, like 2% of the population who maybe they don't. Maybe that's what makes them what we label them as psychotic. It's like because they don't have that thing or they don't have, like the conscious, the thing that makes you feel bad, right? When you should feel bad. That's definitely how we define sociopathic psychopaths. Yes. Right. Yeah. Yeah. They don't have that thing. What the fuck is that? The do we. Does God condemn those people? Like. Because David was brought back up because he felt bad. But if someone doesn't feel bad, that means they would probably, like, go downward or at least stay neutral. What do we. Do about those people. What do we do for those people. What's their directive. Right. Because also how much clout do I get from God if I just naturally feel bad. Anyways you know what I'm saying. Like it's not hard to repent of your sins when you feel like shit about it. It's like easy. It's like. Difficult. Yeah, I guess. I guess maybe we do have the, like the the fork in the road or I guess you. Yeah, I guess it's kind of the. You were saying that's like it was, it was in you or it happened to you. You, you didn't choose to feel bad about it, right? You just felt bad about it. Totally. But maybe, just maybe, whenever we get older, we get to the point to where we can, like, choose to not feel bad about it, even though it's like knocking at our door. It's like, where's like, I'm, I'm not going to I'm not going to look at the people, bro. Like fucking. Well, let's just stay outside. So continue to do what I'm doing, even though I know something's knocking at the door trying to enter into my soul. But I won't let it in. You know, if. I had a guess two I think I'm a bad example because, like, I was baptized super young. People are. My godparents are praying over me. I felt God touch my shoulders when I was like 3 or 4. I was like. Oh, whoa. It could have been my uncle Mike pretending to be God, but I swear I felt like something bigger than me outside of the universe. My godmother was saying a verse. I can find it if I look it up, but I still don't ever know what it is off the top of my head. Something about like the armor of God will be placed upon your shoulders and you'll be protected. And like as she's saying, that, I feel shoulder pads come down on my on my shoulders. And I know I'm also underneath a blanket because I was like, kind of embarrassed to have my godmother, like, pray over me. I didn't know how to handle that as a kid, so I kind of, like, covered myself up with this blanket. And then while I'm covered it up in this blanket, it's a Afghan, so you can kind of see out of the holes of the blanket. She says the armor of God would be placed upon your shoulders. It's just like, boom. Like I felt like a thunderbolt. Now it just shoulder pads, both sides. I was like, God's will. That was crazy. I just felt the divine. Then when I'm 5 or 6 and I'm going to church, going to church, going to church, going to church, then I'm six years old and I come across this moment where I'm going to steal from my dad, and then I naturally feel remorse. But other people that didn't go through that early experience, it might be more of a fork in the road, I see. Yeah, yeah, I see you're saying hundred percent. Like I might have been spiritually protected from the malevolence of my own snake in my no. Horse. Yeah. And then, yeah, maybe that's unfair like other people don't get that same opportunity. It'd be harder for other people. Right. Or easier rather. Yeah. Easier to not feel remorse. Yeah. There it is. Yeah. Because you didn't choose. It was just like bam it's on you. Totally. Some people might have the blinders up or just fully immersed into the matrix and cut off from the spiritual or from the abstract. Yeah. Or like you see your see your dad and mom steal all the time. Yeah, right. So you're making them proud doing the right thing in that sense. That's fucking crazy to think about because people will say like Justin you're a good guy man. Like I got an evil bone in your body man. You never tried to get over anybody once in your life. Like that's awesome. Like whatever that is about you. That's great. And I don't know what that is about you, but what what they're referring to is there's other people not like you, like you're different than the other people. You're a good guy. But those other people, maybe like some of the Bible, is more so. Or maybe like, not relatable per se, but like that. That's more of the fork in the road where if you choose to repent from that place, that's God's favor coming down on you. But David knew God was real when he killed Goliath. Yeah. So that guy repenting, it's like the you should feel bad. Like, you know, God exists like he's promised you. He's made something out of you, you know? Yeah, yeah. He made you king. Yeah. So that doesn't quite check out in that. He's not someone that was morally ambiguous at that time. No. Yeah. He knew. Yeah he did. They still lusted for this other woman who had the kind of kid and shit. Well, that's. Because we're all fucking one. He's not. Jesus. Yeah. Are we at our time? I mean, I feel like we got to be close to. We balling right. Here. We probably like 5 to 10 at least. Oh, man. We don't have to keep harping on about this, but, that was great for my spirit. Thanks. That was cool. Yeah. My dog know that was bad. Like, well, we're talking about killing people. Like, we shouldn't do that, right? No, this. That's that's we went straight to our our core. Our core axioms. What do I believe in? I believe in Jesus. I believe in the Bible. I believe in David. And saying, come to a conclusion. You know, Jesus isn't Dave. I'm probably more relatable to David than I am to Jesus, if anything. For sure. We all are. Yeah, saying totally, no one comes close. No, no. Not at all. To be Christ like is the pursuit, but to be Christ is impossible. You can't do it. No, can't do it. But yeah, man. That's right. So that's what we're doing around here. So cool. Man. You just got married. Speaking. Yeah. Upholding ideals, trying to be Christ like, doing what the Bible says. Yeah, that's that shit, man. That's bro. Is that shit dog? Public handshake. Appreciate it. Yeah. Three times already. But I want it for the cameras. But congratulations man. I appreciate it. Oh, absolutely. Man. Yes, it was perfect. You know what I'm saying? Literally perfect. Just perfectly imperfect. Worse. Like, it's funny because there was like, there were many things that, like, didn't go right, quote unquote, like according to plan or like some speed bumps or some hiccups along the way. So, like, I felt myself, it was funny because, like, I felt I think I've heard I think it was Jim Rohn had mentioned it before. Or it's like the idea that, like, someone will look out of a window and see a beautiful sunset, but all they can focus on is like the the water spots on the window. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So it's like I felt that present itself to me in that on that day. Sure. Because I was like, I'm going to enjoy this beautiful sunset. Like, I don't give a fuck what's happening on this window right now. It could be raining. It could be snowing, like I'm saying, like, watch this beautiful nature scene. And I was like, let that influence my behavior or my energy rather. Yeah. But because I know that, like, it was like a everything was perfect except for, like, we had, you know, like the dog peed on our dress, like the day of. That's, like, almost as worse as it gets. It's like dog peeing on the dress day of. Hall of Fame for bad boys. That's the bad boy. Hall of Fame, bro. It's like Mount Rushmore, almost. Yeah, it's like that was. It's pretty bad this way. It's pretty bad. Pretty bad. Start to your wedding day. I bet most brides would not be too, too happy with that. That's on. The top three answers of worst things that can happen to a bride on their wedding day and Family. Feud. Yeah, it's like sometimes with a dress. Yeah, dress dress malfunction. And it's like anything, it's like number one, it's probably dude. Like I can't think of much like, you know, family doesn't make it. Might be up there, but. Yeah. Anyways. Right. It's. And so it was like the dog peed on the dress the morning of like, my dad forgot his pants. I think one of her brothers forgot his pants. So funny. Like one of the ring bearers was throwing up like an hour before the other ring bearer was like crying minutes before walking out or, like, doing our fucking shit. And then, her veil was like, flying off when she's like, walking down the aisle. I had to take it. Off, you know, say so. It's like bing, bing, bing bing. I didn't tell you guys that I didn't give you the rings. Yeah, right. Yeah. Was we skipped over the ring portion of the ceremony. Totally. I felt bad, dude, because I was part of my heart was like, I should say something. And I was like. Who are you to interrupt marriage? Let it be. Yeah, let it be. And then Victoria was like, oh, I wish she would've said something. And my heart was just like, I was at that fork. I didn't mean to let you down. It if I can do. It. Yeah, yeah, that was my. I was part of them. I was part of the fuck ups, man. But there's all just, like, all those things happening, and I still just did not give a fuck. You know what I'm saying? Could not care less about any of that shit happening to you. I was like, this is all fine. Like, I don't, I don't care, like, I really don't like I was, I was so detached from all the physical, tangible life happening things, I was like, oh, like, as long as we're there, we got a witness, we got a fishing it like. Like we're legally married. Like it's all we came here to do. And have a good time. We came here to get legally married and have a good time. And like, I'm going to do that today, like, regardless of what the fuck's happening. So I could see how people could be bridezillas and groom zilla and like, trying to control everything and making sure everything's, like, timed perfectly. The playlist is right. If I get flowers. All right. Everyone is on time. I felt the stress of that like to some degree in a very small capacity, try to embody Gabby. Like it? Try? Yeah. Tried to make her feel like it's not going perfectly. And I love these people so much that, like, kind of freaking out a little bit about it. And then I, in my own mind, I was like, that's the spirit of the bride zilla attempting to take over Gabby. Just whoever will let it. Whoever will let it. That's the thing. It's not just the bride. It's not just the bride zilla. But like, sometimes it would be like the mom or what? I mean, I was saying the mom of the bride or the dad or whoever or somebody else. Yeah, but yeah, that that spirit will try to enter into that place and try to make it worse than it has to be. Yeah. Discord. Yeah. I'm saying yeah, he has some dissonance. And it was just like it was funny because I felt I saw it happening. I was just like I felt, I saw myself see it happening and I was like, I'm just showing the cut. I'm so in the pocket. Like, I just don't give a fuck. Oh yeah. And then, yeah, Cosmo was being like, he peed on the dress. Then we took him over to the spot and he was like, we had. It was a logistically going to be kind of challenging to get him there and take him back in, like timing. We wanted him there for like, pictures and stuff. But then Victoria was just like, oh God, like, get him out of here. Like, just get him out of here. And then also, yeah, the, the, the coordinators of the venue were like, yeah, we can't have him, we can't have him here. And he's like, be in the car or whatever. And then I was like, okay, like I don't give a fuck, like, oh, I'll put him in the car, like. And I was like, I'll give, we'll take him home. Like I don't care. Like I just it was so funny just watching the things trying to like. Ding it, you know. Saying, just try to ding the day. And I was like, I can't. I can't be dinged. One day right now. Like, it doesn't, it doesn't matter at all. It's all it's all good. So yeah, that was like a definitely like an apparent thing that I saw happening in the day itself. Maybe that's a metaphor for me. Super cool. Right. As you progress into the future. So like a lot of things are going to try to make. You feel like I think I'll be. Perfect. Exactly. I think it'll go exactly how you want to go. And your guys's capacity to just be cool. Be chill. Still enjoy the moment, not let it get away from you. Hearing you say, oh, this is kind of crazy because, like, I legitimately picked up on that energy, but I didn't know. I didn't put it together, that so many things, like you were so aware that that was happening. But in my own mind, while I was daydreaming, drinking, dancing, this thought overcame me of like, on this day when it's my turn, bro, like nothing is going to stop me from feeling like this. But like in Justin, choose like the feeling of like my family's here and the love is here and we're having the best time in the world. Like I. The thought that came into my head was even if it was pouring fucking rain and we had to run inside, everybody was soaking wet. Like, I wouldn't give a fuck, I wouldn't, I would just be so happy to be in the moment, in this kind of moment in my life. And then I think that was just picking up on I think I was just being around you, like my brain was kind of like just openly feeling the energy that you were feeling, which was all of that, because you were like looking at it directly. But I hadn't put it together that like, all those bad things had happened and could have swayed the mood of the whole. Wedding 100%. Like all I thought was if it poured fucking right, like I saw the place we were at. I saw my attendees running inside in my daydream, soaking wet, pouring rain outside even though it wasn't happening and I was just like, I wouldn't give up. Even then, even. I don't give a shit DJ to me. Oh dude. Yeah. It's like a it was a choice. You know what? I had to be like, it's okay. Like I don't care. It's only fine. You're savage. Yeah. It was, it was perfect. Was a perfect weekend. You know what I'm saying? Everything was perfect. Was like. Not like actually, like literally fucking one, two, three or 4 or 5. Like a perfect sequence of numbers. It was like some speed bumps and some fucking. Well, that's life, bruh. That's fucking life, bruh. You still got to choose to be like, not still perfect. I don't give a fuck. Yes. Like thank God yes so much. Yes yes yes well yes yes yes. Man I love you like God dude. Like my heart's just like it feels like the grand, right? I just grew my heart a little bit. Ten sizes. I love you guys, man. And and I. Love you, bro. If you acted differently, maybe I wouldn't if you didn't carry that energy. I don't think I would have had that dream. I don't think I would have gleamed that wisdom from you, but it's like it leaked off of you on to me. Like, I think my subconscious was noticing that you were just, like, untouchable. And then I was like, that's idealistic. What would that look like if it were me? And then I projected it out, and then I was just having a daydream, like, it's. Like, worst case scenario. How do I respond? Yeah, it's like, I don't give a fuck. Totally. We'll be fine. Dude. You're fireman. It was gas. I mean, it was great. It's great time. And then you had the party at Ross's place afterwards. Oh, God. Fucking great bro. This vibing, this vibe until four in the morning, bro. Well, the best day of my life. I was playing games, drinking, hanging out with people, just having a good time. Everybody else. Yeah. I just like sat in the house. That's that. But sitting standing in the house but sitting in the moment, I it's like observing the moment around me. It's like looking at conversations, listening to laughter, people playing dominoes, people drinking, having a good time, just chatting it up, music playing. I'm just like. This is it, dog. This is fucking. This is as close as we're going to get to heaven. Like this is the best time we could possibly ever have. Just chilling with homies. I can't remember if you told me that or if I heard you telling someone else. You were like, I'm just looking at all of this awesomeness, man. Like conversations, energies, happiness and then again, I'm not trying to talk too much about me on your wedding story. No, you. But like, I was giving you my perspective, too. Yeah. You were there. Another energy leak happened where? Like, I went straight back to when I kicked the game winning field goal in high school. Yeah. And I walked to I, like, ran halfway to middle field, and I just looked. I watched the fans freaking out. I watched our team freaking out. I watched the coaches in the box hugging each other. I watched the cheerleaders freaking out, and I just soaked it all in. And I was like, this moment is fucking magical. This is it. I don't want. To celebrate now. I wish I would have Justin Tucker run down the sidelines, started a dogpile. Like, looking back, I'm like, that's what you should have done, dawg. But in that moment, I was so encapsulated with the magic that was happening, and I just wanted to observe everybody's high emotional threshold at that moment. And. Then when you were saying that you were doing that at the party, my brain went straight to that moment and I was like, oh, what a beautiful thing, you know what I'm saying to. Yeah, to just sit in it for a second. And then a coach ran up and, like, hugged the shit out of me and, like, snapped me back to reality. And I was like, I'm not going to do that to Justin. I'm not going to go talk to him. I'm not going to go like, I'm going to let him sit in that pool of like, look at all this awesomeness, you know? Yeah, yeah. It's like the it's like sitting in the river or like sitting outside of the pool versus, like, actively swimming in it or like trying to do some back strokes and shit. Yeah. I'm saying like, sit in the water, like enjoy the water real quick before I like, start swimming and jumping and doing cannonballs. Totally, man. I want to soak it in. It was this is awesome. It was awesome, man. Like, if I get to go back and relive some days, I'm reliving that day. Bro. That one's a good one. The whole week it was great. It was man, the whole week. Fucking awesome. Weather. Pickleball, drinking and hanging out. Praying this amazing tune. The pickleball shit was so awesome. That was badass. Super fun. That was just god working, bro. Yeah, super, super out of the no no no prior. Like inkling or like the desire to do that. Never on the docket, which was like, let's go do this off the. Cuff, me and vice because I also showed up too late to hang out with you the night, the first night. Oh yeah. Which could have been another thing to get upset about. I was kind of upset about it, you know what I'm saying? But then I got to hang out with Voss, and I ironed out my best man speech, which I was really appreciative. He put me on the spot and was like, hey, boss, are you gonna say something nice? I was like. I'm working on it. You got words, I got notes. And he's like, well, give it to me. And I was like, I hear you go. And I gave it to him. And then he was like, that's great, dude, do that. And then it stilled my soul. I was like, oh, okay, I can relax now because I got something. There we go. Then he said, we start talking about pickleball. He's like, bro, we got to play pickleball. Like, let's find a time. Let's find a place. I wish you could play tomorrow, dude. I wish we could play like right now, but I have to wait until we get back into regular life. And that's really what propelled me to be like, hello? I'm gonna go over there. I'm gonna see if we can book it. I'm gonna see if they'll stay open late. I'm gonna push it a little bit, try to make it happen. Because I had that conversation with Voss, and then boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. All sudden we're having a core memory, you know? Yeah. It's like golden hour pickleball. Not me, though. Like, things propelled me to that position to to enact that way, you know. Yeah. So it's crazy. Yeah. It's perfect bro. That's just that's just life, bro. It's just perfectly imperfect. You just got to like, you got to choose to believe that row and, like, feel that and just be like, nah, I'm good. I'm the cut. It's easy to not be like it. Life will throw you plenty of things to make you not feel that way. Definitely all the time. All the time, every day. It's the nature of the beast. It is what it is, man. But you kind of choose to be that way. It's beautiful. So chef's kiss from. Chef's kiss on their. Best. And we'll, wander down. We'll plug it in. Any any other parting words for the beautiful people? I am now I guess, nuff said. Do your best. That's an honor. You know what that is? That's it. I only know what that is. And then lay your head down on that. And if you if in some way, somehow you have some kind of wherewithal for what a better best could be, I can do it. Like the way you were able to feel like nothing's going to stop me from enjoying this moment like that awareness, that cut that pocket. You felt like, I don't know how the fuck you get into that pocket, but that's the idea. That's like the Jesus. I'm not sure how you be. Yeah, but I. Can point to it and say that if you can find a way to do that, like pursue that, that's that's been a Prince of peace. Seriously. There it is. And I think maybe like like a I always say like being perfect is impossible. But in little instances and little moments, small spans of time, you can glimmer a reflection of perfection. And we should be pursuing, trying to do that. And I think you did that that day. And I'm so thankful that I get to be your friend. Dude, seriously. Hell yeah. For all. Of you. I love you too, bro. That was awesome, man. Looking gorgeous. Beautiful life people. It's a beautiful life. It's got a it's gotta believe it. It's gotta find it. Hell, yeah. Sit still. Sit in the pocket. Of the chaos. It's all chaos. But we're good. You're good, we're fine. Everything's gonna be fine. Just believe that. Hold on to that. It'll come to you. And even if it's not, it's not gonna be fine. Just be patient, bro. That's. That's the other thing. It was not as. Be patient. I can't tell you how many times I was one measure of patience away from my patients paying off. And I, And then I two, three, four weeks go by and I'm like, oh, I shouldn't have spent the money or like, oh, I shouldn't have freaked out and changed my plans. Oh, I have quit that job. Like, that's not I've never quit. Well, of course, but regardless, I'm saying it's like a month, two months passed by and you're like, if I would have just been a little more patient, this would have happened instead. And like, man. That learn from me right now, just be a little more patient, push it a little further and see what happens. A pocket of patience. It'll all work out. Hell yeah. It all work out. Hell, yeah. It's good. Have a great life. Great life. Continue that story. Elevate that story. Maximize that personal legend. Your legend. Get out there with that. We love you. Until next time. Deuces.