Are You ACTUALLY a Christian? Couples, Campaigns, and the Christian Life | The MJ38 Show #77

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Matthew and Justin talk about How Couples Meet, Restaurant-Themed Dungeons & Dragons, and What Being a True “Christian” Means

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I think for. Me, dating is. Like. You should do that with the season of your life. Or, like, maybe your. Season's important thing to do. Yes. For sure. Because how else are you going to find a mate? Exactly. Yeah. You would never. Yeah. Or you just have a pre-arranged marriage. Or, like, I wouldn't hold on that long. I've a value, but there's another layer. You could end up being in a situation where you get to know someone and that. And, like, you're not dating them. Like, it could be, like, let's just say I work. Yeah, I guess I'll work places. Easiest place? Easiest one for sure. Yeah. But let's say it's like for. Have you seen Ted Lasso? I've seen, like, the first, probably 4 or 5 episodes, maybe. That's it. So just like a, let's just say a soccer team like Barcelona. A lot of fucking people work for Barcelona to make that thing go. Yeah. So you could just be, like, on a team with a mission as an administrator in one way or another, and then you get to know someone for ten years, and then all of a sudden there's this, like, moment where you guys become like. Like Jim and Pam. You know what I'm saying? You know, you don't have to date. You know, each other. So there's a different kind of dating when you just, like, start to start a life with someone. Yeah. You just waiting for, like. Yeah, you see this person for who they are before you have to, like, I guess that's what what kind of dating is supposed to do? Right. It's like a simulated version of that. Let me ask, like, certain questions and get a feel of you. Yeah. But there's nothing wrong with that. That's how people do it. That's what it is. It's a preferred method. That's how we do it for one. Hundred years. Now. But if you weren't going to do it like that, a situation like that could happen to you. Where you, you, Jim and Pam, more or less. The other way is like Facebook friends. I think friends of friends, I. What do you mean, like online? Yeah, because I ask a lot of people, how did you meet? So my favorite questions. In the university. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Shout out of sorts. Seven or. Whatever. So that was the first year, episode seven. We talked about that. Yeah, because I bookmarked it is one of the funniest episodes have ever done. Nice in my mind catalog. Because we're talking about, yeah, Valentine's Day and like the relationships and then talking to anniversary tables at work and then asking them questions. Nice. Like, I always ask them, what's the secret in the sauce? Yeah. For the dialog. It's like, give it to me. You're here doing the thing. What do you got to say? Yeah. Yeah. I'm giving you the ideas on your moment right now. And it's funny, cause I'll give that to people, and then they're not ready for it. I know. That I come back later on throughout the meal. Than they give it to me, like, later on, like I thought about, you know, I. Thought about that respect. Respect amongst each other. That's it. That's the most important thing or whatever, you know? That's hard. It's like they'll. Give me, like some sort of spiel about it, but it is like a on the spot kind of thing. Some people aren't. It's also like, oh, you could say the wrong thing or not. Saying the right thing has consequences because you're it's like your wife's your partner is gonna be like, oh yeah, what is the. What do you think it's together. Yeah. Yeah. What's the fucking what kind of. Engine or what kind of gas we put in this engine oil? Do we. Have the. Worst case scenario for that? Gentleman's? Like, the lady said something along the lines of. Oh, that's what you think is keeping us together. That's what you think is. The basis of why we're going to for the rest of our lives. Could like end, end poorly or even. Just changing worlds. A small modicum of that. If the line of good time is right here in the middle and you were like in the light. Green in the gray, not. The dark green, but the light green, you know what I'm saying? And then like, you slipped into, like, orange yellow and then. Yeah, anniversaries are a big deal sort of expectation to some degree. If you let it happen for any anniversary. Oh, we're going to celebrate love's like Valentine's Day, you know. So if you were like having a bad week, bad month miss your partner a lot like expectations could be like high disappointment can be high. No one is. More sensitive for this power. Some words could dictate a person's experience a timeline. Yes. It's crazy realities, bro. I'm a good spotter, though. Yeah. If I feel them fumbling, I'm like. I step in and I say more words to get them out of it. You know, my mind. My mind goes like this. Yeah. With your dialog. Like I'm like. I feel that I express that energy. I know you're talking about. So I think we got off on a tangent about talking about when people. I think you asking people how they met and then that connecting back to social circles and like Facebook or friends of friends, mutual friends. I think that people will. Have you heard someone in that moment say, we actually met on Facebook. We're actually like we were we went to high school together. I don't ask that question. How you met? Yeah. Oh. I'm sorry. Yeah, they'll say that a lot, though. That's probably like the third most answer that I get. And I don't like that. That's the third most. That's why I've got it earmarked as annoying, because it's not. I'm like, when I'm asking them, I'm hoping for a story. I'm hoping you tell me, you know, you saw this girl and she rode horses and you just moved from the city. So you didn't know much about horses, so you didn't know how you're going to approach this. And then, you ended up asking her on this date to a dance hall, and you guys, you'd never two step before, but you never two step like you ever did that night, either. And you. And for something happened that night. Magical. And we've been in love for 60 years since then. That's what I want them to say. Yeah. Yeah, it's a well done. Okay. See? That's okay. The thing is. Hold on though. Well, I. Said, well, the on the spot people. Can't. Okay then. Piggybacking on that thought. Second thing, people can't do that. Like people don't have the ability to see that for that or like see the movie of their own life for that, or be able to express it on the spot in the moment like that, how you just did, you know, saying all that could have been true for somebody. All that could have happened for cowboy Roger over here. A cowboy Roger just. Says, yeah, I met her and took her out to dance. That's it. You don't say. I'm not laughing at that. You're right. Yeah. You're right. Maybe he doesn't want to get into all that either. Maybe he could. But he's like holding with holding that back, and she's like. Like, here's like a, like, two biscuits. You know, sometimes you want a nice, like a nice meal. It's like, I want you to give me a meal. Or some bars right here. So yeah. Totally. I'm giving you opportunity to and hopefully you sure hope it goes well. I think everybody wants to make it on some level. It's like the floor, the like the moment. It's like, what's your truth? If I'm a distributor of the moment, I like to pass it to other people as much as I can. I'm like, you know, lay down, you know, like, do your thing, doc. So, like, do 21. Here's a. Here's the. I've been talking this whole time. I've been directing your meal since you walked in. You haven't had to do much. You know, the. Restaurant thing, especially at our level levels, like we're we're controlling the with our with our words and actions. We're controlling like, the experience to a degree, like they're having their own time. But I gotta make like we're like the like the carrying, like the support kept like the main person and support role, you know, saying that like, everyone's kind of helping them and like the cookies are cooking the things and everyone's making it happen. But like, we're like the the face of the experience and we do that with our. So we like have the moment to a degree, you know what I'm saying? So like if you sit down at the table, they need to give me the moment so I can like let them or I need to facilitate the thing that they're trying to accomplish. I need to make sure that happens. And like they need to include me in that. I'm the dungeon master like. The oh fuck, we fucked up your potatoes like. It's like I'm a pretty good server. Level 97 server. Here I go. I'm trying to do all this fucking five. Cuz the things that I need to roll a like a 218 or higher, maybe 218 zero 36 boom. 40. I've tried at the front of your microphone because that's the. Funniest shit in the world. That's exactly what it's like. To a t ro. You need to include me. Yeah, it. Helps if you have higher stats. You get higher natural based roles. If you have higher charisma, it's like plus three to this. This role. If you have higher perception when you're trying to read the table, it's like. You know, okay, the. Say comes out and they ordered the medium rare. It is medium well plus. And how do you react. Thank you. Like fuck okay. I, I go tell the manager that it's fucked up. I go bring it back to him, like replace them with silverware and they're not upset about it. Come on, dog see. Oh my gosh bro, are you shoot for the fucking turnaround. I guess we're always waiting for the turnaround at our level, you know? So I'm trying to make it. It's like at that price point it needs to be perfect. Perfect? Like. Oh yeah. Or like expectation needs to be met and exceeded, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. So it's like we need to be asking for the high exceed expectation is like always at the end of every roll. For us. It's like it's. Harder to get. Yeah. You got to roll a little bit higher. It's just higher level problems than a normal restaurant. This is like the expansion pack. Yeah. The monsters are bigger levels. Yeah, totally. You can't get you off. This is like we're dungeons deep now. This is like, the highest level of dungeon. Let's like, we're going to go, like, to a little mission star restaurant. You have like a a chef who's trained like that. Exactly. And so it's like that type of environment. It's not quite like like a Gordon Ramsay restaurant, you know. And but we could play there. We can, we could. It's the same dungeon or it's the same level of dungeon. It's in a different area of the map. I'd be a low level character, and maybe there would be monsters that I hadn't faced before. And I strategize poorly, and I ended up dying to them and lost my character sheep in a restaurant. You know, lost that level or something. I could see it happening, bro. Like what happens in Dungeons and Dragons? You just. Die. Oh, yeah. Then your character dies. Too, and they're gone forever. If I think if your squad gets wiped. Yes, that's what's supposed to happen. Yeah. It's like, like Call of Duty, like, can they. Bring you back? I think there's moments where, yeah, they have, like. Resurrections and shit. Yeah, but I don't know exactly how difficult those are to get or if there's like someone who has a, an ability to, like, bring someone back from zero. But I think what normally happens is if you die in combat, then your squad, like, goes on without you, and then they could maybe along the way find a way to resurrect you, I think. But I don't, I don't I don't even know if it happens that often. Okay. Yeah, but. My sister and dad both played Dungeons and Dragons, like, a lot. That's where that's coming from. I don't fuck. Another. Yeah, that was like. That was what we were alluding to right there that he. Daddy. Oh, I don't want to stop here. We're talking. We can make. Us like a stranger. Things is like, did they play that game in that in that show? You see this? Yeah. Yeah, all the way through. I don't think that's right. Yeah. Let me play in the in the fucking. Great. Yeah. I highly recommend with. The rewatch. Version whenever the next season comes out. Just watch it all through. Life is just dandy though. Yes. That's all we're talking about. Yeah. Don't want to lose that. Then we give it to the people in the. I like to ask that question though. Sorry. Well, how do you how do you meet. Nice that the anniversary. So yeah, I'm rolling the dice there for sure trying to hope to generate that moment. Really. I'm just trying to I feel like maybe all day that's that's the question. Or like the whatever he's going to express. I like, how did you guys fall in love or whatever it is. You know what I'm saying? Like what? Your story. What exactly, bro? What's the. Story you're telling yourself about the thing that you're doing with this other. Person? Yeah, you're celebrating the story, right? Yeah. Here we go. Like this is chapter 20. One or chapter 13 or chapter two. Chapter one. Totally. And then or season one, whatever. That's how we fucking story, bro. And the reason why, like I ask you every time, almost selfishly, one, it's a good play. It's just a jab step. Yeah. It's it's a good play. I'll run 32. It's like a transition. It's like it's transition three. It could be, you know totally. If the buried in the moment. Oh shit. That's kind of for the moment love is in the air. It's rekindled the story totally. So like but then also because I, I selfishly I also like it because it's like, nice to know, like how people actually meet, you know what I'm saying? So science. Science. Life science. And if they have an awesome story, like it's more than just like statistics, it's like, yo, that's great. That's like an eyewitness of love. The like, what is love? You know what I'm saying? What? Your witness. Yeah. And yeah. So that's like witnessing right now, right. So it's cool de perception of it of like more life. That's fun to like consume. And if you have something within your witness of perception that you can give to me, it could enhance my witness of perception or like change, like, like maybe I'm thinking about how people meet in a different way or it's like somewhat wrong or whatever, you know, I'm saying maybe I was like off, off the off the mark, off the truth. Sure. Then you get able to gather some witness from people and say like, oh, this is like kind of a true thing is happening here. Maybe if I follow that, like, I could do this, I could create the outcome I'm trying to create or whatever. Totally fire. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those are questions that are tough when you're not finding a partner to. And then you start to ask yourself, am I do I have a bad perception of how people day, you know, like how do people day? I don't know, I'm not sure I've been here. I kind of how do people meet. So yeah, it's nice to have like, okay, so most people meet from friends of a friend, which means you're probably just hanging out with people that you hang out with. I think work is like number one, probably. You would think, bro, but. Nah, I think that leads a or I think maybe work is kind of almost hand in hand with like friend of a friend almost to to a degree, I guess family is another contributing force to a friend of a friend because like, who do you know? You know, so you know your family and people you're around totally like like you might know. I kind of know Jug or Joe Rogan. A little bit. I know John Peterson a little bit, yeah, yeah. So if we're. Able to consume some people. But yeah, as far as interfacing face to face like spirit spirit in this fucking whatever in the matrix, like when we link up in the game. Yeah. Final Fantasy. Yeah. It's like what's up here or. On fucking I'll run and Titus or like okay, this is what's up. The difference. Yeah. Yeah. They don't. Yeah. This part of. This is tied. With fucking Julian Sarah Julian. Yeah that's a dog bro. That's why I, we never I was just thinking about this. We never roll like three deep very often. And then Julian I don't even go to do very often. But if you just put me in, those parties were doing damn right. Like swinging. Great. His dog like, Put us in any situation, you know what I'm saying? Really? Matter of the dragon. It don't really matter. The size. The size of the level of the dragon. I think we could comprehensively, bro. Yeah. I like Julian, for instance. He'll even self admit sometimes he'll just drink a lot. Like, sometimes he's just in the mood or it's the night or this is the vibe or like, yeah, I'm drinking a lot. What's that like? Yeah I feel too much is going to be like what's up, what's up. Yeah that. But like especially because he knows like sometimes he's like yeah sometimes if I drink too much whiskey too, too much I just start getting aggressive, man. It's like, don't be looking at me like that dog. Was looking at me. It's so funny to you. He's funny like a clown. What are we talking about here? Like, yeah, he might cause some problems or have, like, poor perception because he drank a lot. But I just he's like a. Critical member of the party. That's just part of the debuffs that. Come with Julian. If you enter the nightclub, you go to the Bourbon Room. Yeah, but that's what makes it. I was watching a D&D post that said, like this lady was explaining. Dean, I watched it this morning. She's like explaining to, the actor from Walking Dead who, play Shane. Shane. I think he's also the Winter soldier. Is that. Yeah. He's. Okay. I'm not sure he said he for walking Dead. Yeah. But it's Shane, the good cop. I can't remember the names right now. I was like, just talking about walking. Dead with my partner today. This is crazy. Rick. Rick is the main character, okay? Shane is, It's like his boy that. Is that, like, the. No. Daryl. Okay, I'm thinking of Daryl. Daryl's like the people's champ. Yeah, he's the dog. Yeah, yeah, but I can't. I can't take a chance on my head. Shane. He's like the original. Homie from the beginning. Yes. Okay. Gang ends up. Like dating Lola. Yes, yes, yes. It's like a whole thing. Yes, I see that. Yeah. He's like a fucking that show. Part of my, like myself. Yeah. You with me? I think he plays like a marvel superhero. And then now he's like another movie guy, so he's popping or whatever. So she this Dungeons and Dragons streamers explaining to him Dungeons and Dragons. And then she's just like, yeah, because he's like, he has questions. He's like, so like how how would you die? Can he get brought back? Totally. He's like, how do I kill something? How do I win in combat? She's like, well, you roll dice and like it would play out or whatever. And he's like, okay, so I would just want all of my stats to be like super hot, right? And then she's like, well, no, because it doesn't really make sense with your character, right? Because your character needs to be real. So if your character was, like a wizard, it wouldn't really have much use for like strength. Like they don't work out very much because it's just. Like so in those situations, whenever I lose my wand or can't cast a spell for whatever reason, and I try to fight them with a sword with my hands, like I'm on my rolls and lower. Yes, this is like it's the way it is. Yeah. And like it's true for your character to be a true character. Got it. Like, and and then. But if you were like a knight, then you might not be very like, like charismatic. Like it could be more of just like a solitude working out like a brute, you know? Yeah. And so maybe you would be able to swing, take more damage because you're more brutish, but, like, you wouldn't be able to talk your way out of situations. And then, she's like, but then she's like, I knew like a knight that was, noble. Or was he was a prince. And so this prince got pampered like his whole life. So he thought he was like, really charismatic and had great talking skills. And everybody liked him. Smart, super smart. But then really, he had just, like, been kind of coddled to everyone, sucked up to him all the time. So when they got pulled out and went on this adventure, he would like not hit those roles that he thought for sure he was going to hit. And then that made this guy realize like, oh, that's what was going on in my life. And so I have to like, work on these things because my identity isn't what I thought it was. And then she's like, That's Dungeons and Dragons. It's like you're trying to tell me that's wild. Like, what the fuck is that? Yo, if you'd if you could. Tell a better story, it's like you're not really trying to win in combat. You're trying to tell a good story. You can just. Or you can just make a character name him fucking sloth Lord, and that's good. And give him. Whatever strength to put him into whatever class it is. But but yeah, I guess I answer that guy's question. I think ideally, yes. You don't want to have be amazing in every stat line. Like of course, of course. Yeah, I want the high stats. I want speed catching, acceleration, jumping. I want to be nasty. Yeah, totally. Yeah I but 90. Nine everything on two K shoot. Yeah. She was really trying to make this point that like the Turiya character is and then the better that story is that's when you like if you play multiple campaigns, it's not going to be about beating the campaign. It's going to be about like which campaign was the most fun? And then most fun can be more truly boiled down to like Best Story. And then how do you develop best Story. It's like true. Good characters. Because then yeah if you like create that character and like they don't have those stats. But then maybe like throw a campaign that character like generates those stats or like he was roll you, you hit the rolls or whatever. You know saying like you get the lucky shit. Like sometimes you need to roll super, super high to make the probability like of what you want to happen, happen totally. And then it's like, it's like super low probabilities. What happens in fucking the show? I just mentioned Stranger Things really. I'm saying yeah. Like it's you feel the it's like. Fucking yes bro. Fucking yes bro Jordan fist pump bro. Yeah yeah. Hell yeah. And to do that roll bro, if you're able. To do that hit that roll with that type of character. I could see how that is literally a better story mode, the most fun campaign that I would. That's what would highlight it above all the other campaigns. Oh yeah. That one moment where it was like, oh. Yeah, well, you're standing up at the table fucking chest bumping and shit, bro. Yeah, no. One gets like that in the chest in Dungeons and. Dragons, dude. Totally like like Jordan flu game. There's a fucking influencer we're talking about right now, right? She's a dandy influencer. She has, like, blond hair. Streamer? I think so, yeah, yeah. Fuck yeah. People would watch that shit. Oh, yeah. Listen to that shit. I was asking my dad about it. He said there's like, ten popular podcasts and there's, like, some good streams, but it's pretty like low. The their ceiling is like 600,000 followers. None of them have cracked a million yet. And I'm like, is daddy that niche? Maybe it'll break through with time. It's like a timeless game. It's been around forever. Been around forever. More people are buying up now more than ever. Yeah. And board games are kind of boring. Like no one, like, from across the board game. That was new at first. They dropped. I can get. A Yahtzee in a while. Yahtzee was hitting the rummy cube rummy curve. I forgot I was saying that whatever. I don't want to get to that topic though. Daddy's crazy into his life. Yes, because we're in these moments, you know. So she she told she answered him. It's like your character has to be real. So she gave that or did he give a response? I was at the end of the video. There was maybe, like, one more engagement. She's she shows him, she's like, you know, like, you're in the middle of the night, forest. It's nighttime. The moonlight is not coming through. You don't know where exactly you're at. You're lost in this forest. All of a sudden you hear a sound not too far in the distance. Relatively close of, cracking of branches. Something's definitely around you. What do you do? And he was like, how far away was it? And then she's like, okay, so that's like a perception roll, like you want to right now. You're trying to see how perceptive you are of this moment. So like we're going to roll that. It's like, okay, you hit. So you're able to determine it's about 20ft away from you. Then he's like, okay. And I. Am I armed, am I closed am I? Yeah. She actually told him she's like, you're holding a long sword and you have a dagger and a bow. Hilt it to your side. I'm proficient. I with those things. You. That's that question. He's like 20ft away. All right, I'll draw my bow and, Ask you to come out. Yeah, I think he yells out to it. I think that is what he said. And then she's like, okay, so you want to try to talk to the animal? And he's like, yes. It's like, okay, that would be a, like a animal. He's a beast tamer. Beast tamer. Roll check. You have a plus two because of your natural class, and you need to roll for 16 or higher. And then she's like, okay, you did not hit that roll. So it does. It does not speak your language. You didn't know what you were saying. You don't know what it's saying. And then. I'll know. Communication fail. Outcomes. She calls it like a, an elephant. An elephant, fuckin. Troll or some shit. It was a bear with wings. Oh, more or less. Which is like a hostile thing. Yes. Oh, shit. Fuck me. Yeah. A bear with wings walks out. Oh, God. It's scary. It's. Fuck yeah. It's like a crazy dragon. Yeah. And, he's trying to. Bear like a big bear. Yeah. Yo. Yeah, right. It's a good, but it's not good. Then she's like, okay, what do you do? And then he's like, would. It have changed it? Was it always going to be the bear with wings? It wouldn't have changed had it had I had a hit. I think you would have. You might have been able to communicate with it and like talked it into not being aggressive. If you would have hit. Or maybe it would have changed the whole story, you know, if it if I did him, maybe it wasn't a bear with wings. Maybe it's something I can't communicate. I think that's up to the DM. Okay. Yeah okay. And I think someone would. Someone do that. So I'd probably have like encounter that. There's like two maybe, maybe it's two roads if I hit it if I don't hit it. Yeah. They get use from or like they're reading from a there. How did they determine. I think it's a dome. Yes. So it's oh shit. They'll buy a campaign like a script for how the journey is going to go. Or what things are on the map, what's around there, the geographical kind of layout. What's what's what's the story here? Yeah, there's a story. There's like a tavern with the person that has information. Or at least if you like, there's these places you can find the information for your quest. Then you're going to find the problem. Then you're going to find out who the big bad is, and then you're going to work your way to fighting the biggest bad guy and like, fixing the problem, the land. That's the campaign. It's the finish, the find the biggest bad guy and take out the biggest threat of, of or evil or whatever. Yes, every time. Has to be almost positive. That's how it gets. Some variation of that is what every story is. Yeah, exactly true. But I've heard literal ones where it's like, you know, they're at the big bad final boss. And, your team did it level properly, and this guy's like doing a skit, so, like, it's like, that's how it goes. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're talking so much about daddy, but, life. It's like we're talk about life, log life. But. So then what happens with this fucking. Whinging bear that's coming at this. Guy? He's just, like, more or less starts asking, like, I draw my bow back, but I want to, I think she might just stop it right there, to be honest. And she's like, That's daddy. Like you're playing daddy right now. Like everything that you like. Thought like in my head. Like I've made this. I situation. Totally. It's like I have rules for all of that. And that's like what a DM would do more or less, is that you have natural stats, then you encounter things, then they have specific ways for they're like sometimes they let you do classes that don't really exist. But if you make it like an archetypical class where you have pluses and minuses and it's not Opie, they'll like, let it happen. But then when stuff happens from their class like, oh, I can communicate with frogs because I'm a frog princess, it's like. I'm not. Lord, motherfucker. It's like, fuck you. He probably could communicate with loss. Yeah. Do you have to, like, improvise for that? Yeah. Yeah, I guess I'll give you a I'll give you a plus three on this, right? Yeah. Yeah, totally. Or he could just be like, there's multiple tribes of sloths in the region. They have a clearly distinct short tail compared to your long tail. And they're alarmed by your presence. Your communication fails. It just depends on how. They want to play. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I'm just going to say, can they do something that goes outside of, like, the realm of what the DM could possibly interpret or possibly like deal with, but then, yeah, I think, I guess it would depend on their own determination of what they're asking. And how would you break that down into our into our game here? Totally. And I think that there's a lot of comment. I don't think so. No. And there's like common strategies to try to like break the DMs. Like I think the DMs have like, information for like what you can do when things are getting like, like someone trying to break the universe, like how to handle those problems as a DM. And I think a good DM just improvises and can like hears you talking shit, basically. Well, I just fucking, use my 99 gravity orb to suck out all the air in the room. He's like. Like he has an invisibility spell. You were unaware because it's shimmering armor is hiding under his, pale, pale cloak or something like that. It's like they they handle the situations. Okay. So the DM ultimately really. Just break the game. No, they don't let you. Yeah. It's like, I'm sure I'd be like, okay, fine. It's over, it's over. Everybody go with the lame campaign. Yeah. No, I have to go. Get the fuck out. Oh, we're done, we're done, you're done. We never coming back. Fuck this guy. Guys, kick the dice. You know this is a dick. Any dice? This is right. So this is it. Agree with this. Somewhere along the lads, like, you know, be a good idea to. Have a good campaign to make it worth fun or make it worthwhile. Make this worth playing and make it fun. Just to truly serve the spirit of the D&D, right? Yeah. Because this life, all this is like, oh yeah, you're right. All of this is life. Thug I'm just sitting here taking it now. D&D is literally fucking life, bro. This is like. To a tee. It's like that's that's what we're doing here. Like we don't we don't know it to be like super consciously, but like, that's what we're doing here. And whenever we're asking these people like what's like you are with this person and you're out here, you're like celebrating your love. Like, what is it? What do you what do you witnessing here? What's your what's your witness? What your truth. How did you meet? Give me something so it could be a little bit heavy of a question to ask some. So some people. Require is high perception, high charisma. Role. I just asked, what's the secret in the sauce? You go for the how you met. I think the how you met a little. Heavier secret in the sauce. You can kind of bullshit. Okay. Guess you can like number one and number two. Answer just like, like, let her win or just say yes. This is some type, some type of shit like that. It's like usually number one or number two. And then. I'm, I'm blanking on the like the top answers. My favorite answer has been, I got it got at the center. And I was like, that's what's up, dog. I gave you the moment you hit a fucking home run. Ohtani like, let's go baby. Come on. Ophelia. That's that's perfect. I mean it's it's the truest answer. To every. Like those questions. Those questions are heavy. It's also the. Server asks. You how you met, how guys like charisma. Yo, that's that's so funny. Right? I've created it. I am the DM for those tables sometimes. Holy shit. Yeah, yeah. It flips on its head when we fuck up and we have to be. Sometimes we have to start rolling the dice. For the recovery. We did that again. Now. Oh, shit. That's crazy. If Dungeons and Dragons had a variation. Where you like the DM like switches or, like, has the shift like that. That's that's nuts. We should make restaurant dandy. So you create a guy. Guy? If you edit the, dungeons? No. Dungeons, Drive-Ins and dives. Yeah. Thank you. Good. Connect those diners. There it is. Diners drive. Yeah, totally. But Dungeons and Dragons, I think restaurant. It would be funny. Like, even if, I don't think. It's restaurant campaign. Yeah. Totally. Wouldn't be as. Funny. Role is servers. Is that okay? Give me a character. Yeah. It's like a bar using, you know, whatever your role is like in. GM or your role is like, salad line cook. You. Yeah. That's like, you guys are. Gonna be like, different classes like that. You know, I'm saying, like, upper management, ownership management, like stewardship. Back of house, front of house. Yeah, yeah. Hostess those those. Yeah. Yeah. Those are your classes. There could be like five major holidays. Days leading up to New Year's Eve and New Year's Eve is like the the the last of. The big because that's the campaign, right? Yeah. Yo, that's fucking hilarious. Fucking Halloween, Thanksgiving, Christmas. Valentine's day. Valentine's day. Just like lead it all the way up. That would be. Valentine's day, mother's day like you could have just giving Christmas New Year's. I don't I don't I don't know. How many meetings constitute one campaign, but if you could get like a full year's worth of holidays into one campaign, yeah, that would be it. It would at least be worth the lolz. Oh hell yeah. Be worth the loss. I think that's so funny. Like in this, in this dungeon, like in the, in the live version where like the, the shift kind of switches, but there's ultimate DM, DM and the whole thing, you know, I'm saying, oh yeah, something's going on with that someone something something's running this campaign for us. Like we're just. Here. Yeah. The metaphor falls short when you think about that, because we're just talking about moments a moment. But ultimately, like, you know, we have no control over anything now. We're just plain weird playing. Dungeons, right? Yeah. Nothing can control anything. It's crazy because, yeah, we're in. But yeah, yeah, there's one in the game. I want to pull it back. One more layer was just, back to questions we asked people. Yes. And so we said something about Facebook friends. It's like number one is always, friend of a friend. Probably work related to, even though they don't say literally, we work together. Yeah. That's like more of, like, a five answer. And then two is, like from Facebook. We reconnected. We rekindled like we we grew up in the same town or I think in a lot of fucking high school sweethearts. College sweethearts lately. Really? Yeah. That's a popular place to meet. A person is in college and just use that as the bloop. You might have worked together in college. You might had a class together. Okay? You could have been a professor then. You know, goes. You know what it is. You know what? It a young player. So that's just, what I see or whatever, but we were talking about people day, and you could meet the traditional dating way, right. Like go on dates, fill someone out. Yeah. It's kind of what relationship was made for. Or you can fall. You could fall into it, you know, Facebook friends, you know. But even then, you date. True, right? It's rare you like notes on your whole life. Just to get married or like me, like I were doing this shit. Here we go. Yeah. You right? Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. Anyways, just building that back layer. So I think the reason people date ultimately too, is because they're trying to, discover themselves. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. We don't. That's why I have it. Right. I've definitely heard people literally say, like, I'm not sure. Like what it is that is unique about me or like what it is that I'm trying to do or like how to, fully appreciate myself because I'm not sure what I'm appreciating. So you have to, like, discover that, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What do I value? Yeah. Right, right. What's important to me. Yeah. How well is your like, how hard is your definition of yourself. Yeah I guess people. Don't in reality or how to interface with reality. What I'm saying. Yeah. Super true. How should I act to respond. Well witnessing here, you know, saying, how should I? We're talking about, you know, like being judgmental quote unquote or whatever. It's like we could all be judgmental, you know what I'm saying? We all are like to a dude, like, in the sense where we're looking at things, you have to we have to be we have to be interpreting the fucking the story, what's happening here. And determining what's good and what's bad is like a baseline. Yeah, I guess you could. Yeah, I guess there would just come like the, the two step process of like reality watching thing happens in the reality watching that gives me like a judgmental response. And I guess would that could be deemed as just like assigning negative value to what I'm watching. You know, I'm saying, or I guess to people who have different like avenues for how they would assign what judgment is like, know I'm saying, how judgmental are you? How harsh is it? Like, what is the what is it directed at? Or who or you know what I'm saying totally. So it's like but either way, we could just say that thing happening, I see it and see what things happening, and then I don't like it. And I have like the thought of like the negative seven. It's like throwing it on to life, you know, I throw it out onto the witness, throw that onto the movie, like use the negative seven or express that or like choose to express that or you just like hold it in like, you know, saying like, oh fuck that. Yeah. To to not, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. I guess also maybe the way you're thinking about the thing that you're watching could interpret how larger negative plus ten to plus ten and any given moment could be. You know I'm saying yeah. Like something bad happens or whatever bad happens like that. Like we're talking about The White Lotus and the kid has like goes and sleeps on the beach. It's like it's like a oh, you know, I'm saying negative seven. But then like that ultimately that like led him to that shit at the end of them like, oh I guess I want to ruin it per se. But The White Lotus, that's pretty tight. HBO yeah. No, I'm with you, though. He ends up like having a positive. He's like the best. Yeah, that's for sure. To say. He's like, my favorite character. Without any spoilers. So yeah. Like negative perception but then tied to best character arc, it's tough to know what's going on at all at any given time. Yeah well we're all judging it. Well we're all trying to figure this thing out, man. Yeah, well. The world is watching. What? Witnessing the moment. All of us at the same time. We're all just doing that. I think for the most part, I've got this during Easter fasting, all that stuff that that season, I feel like I like pulled a few things out because I was just digesting a lot of, like, Christian content on Instagram, I guess, like going to church and being like really engaged and just being like, locked in, like spiritually, you know, at least just engaged, you know. And locked in top ten and, Yeah, you like, read the whole New Testament, dude. Yeah. That's locked in dog. Like, that's what's yo. Let's go, let's go, baby. Crazy man. Now down. Yeah. You inspired me. I've always had this thought to buy like a like a one by one. Like, I think Matthew's the first book of the New Testament. So I'm trying to get, like, a study guide for the book of Matthew. That's not crazy thick, but it's just like a bigger book. Just about that one, knocked that out and then, like, move on like that. Yeah. They're all books are like, you know, I'm saying like all individual texts. Right? So I don't know if that's because that might just be because I don't want to sit down and read the Bible. Bible. It could be that too. Maybe I just need to like, read line for line. I don't know if there's like power in that over, like, let me study the Bible. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, because I read it all. I could tell you right now I want to like there's it's there's too much, just too much simplicity. It's a bit too much. And I knew that reading it like, the first time, I'm like, this is like the first time I'm going to read because I've read, I think I've read some of, back when I was watching JVP do his, do his thing on like Genesis, and then he has his lecture series on Exodus. Like I remember reading the Genesis one, like shortly thereafter, that maybe not all of Genesis, but at least a lot of it, because I remember I watch all his videos on it, so I pretty much like knew the story, but like, it was cooler to have him break it down for me then to just like, read it line by line by myself. Oh yeah, I'm saying because I know that it's too much. So I already knew reading it the first time I'm going to, I'm going to be reading this part for the rest of my life, you know. So I'm trying to see what's going on here, trying to see how the because like the way Pastor Ed at the Easter service shout out Pastor Ed, that's my dog. The way that he was able to put like the folding of the of the linen cloth, like back on top of a table before, like the like when the guest goes to the restroom, you know, they're coming back. What's the proper thing to do? Like you said, the you put the linen back. You know, I'm saying, like, because they're coming back and like he's able to draw that out of his face cloth, like come out of the tomb. It's like, bro, that's good writing, that's good art. That's that's Breaking Bad level art. Like, whatever you assign. Whatever you assign that like whatever your steer shows are like for me, Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones, like, that's just like the top, throwing out every time I'll give a fuck, I'll die on that hill. Those shows are fantastic, especially Breaking Bad. Like the way that because the way it ended, it was just. So what makes you elevated above every other show in that sense? I think Breaking Bad, especially because the way it ended and like the the character arc and like all the relationships and the transformation and so it's like a I guess there's like a lot more like art to it to a degree. Or it's like there's some illusions that you would only catch, like Easter eggs, you know, like I remember watching or following this page in college because I was watching it whenever it was like still on TV. I think I caught up seasons one, two and three and maybe four was like about to come on TV. So I watched like four and five and five were split into two. So then I was in college and watching like the I think, yeah, definitely finishing college the second season, we watched it at my homies house and like the ending was so amazing. Fucking amazing. It's like a whole ass. Movie in and of itself. Bro. It's like it's incredible. Yeah. And then but to to be like with it, I was in college watching it and on this major I think is how you pronounce it. Imgur I'm sure you know, I'm saying it's called. I'm sure. Yeah. I think it's names are like the giraffe. You know, the name giraffe is like a thing. It's kind of dead. I thought about the other day. I was like, is that still going on? I think it's it's like it's kind of like Reddit, you know? And that's how those two did. Not the same thing for sure. I guess Imgur is Instagram. So Reddit's like Twitter using it. It's like Twitter. Yeah. Right. Yeah. With it's just gypsum pictures versus like. Text only with different pictures like within you. Know. Yeah follow that. But the primary content consumption is pictures and videos and interest. Right. And like yeah. But they had like a sub imgur of just like, Breaking Bad stuff and like, like, like deeper connections that you had with like a song that he chooses to play or wardrobes he chooses for the like, for the characters to pick or for like lines of dialog whenever Hank is like asking or talking to Walter Jr later on and he's like, hey man, you want to watch a heat later? And like, heat's like a movie where in which, like, the scene that is playing out with Hank and Walter is, like happening in that movie, you know what I'm saying? It's just like a little link, you know, saying, that's crazy. So shit like that is going on in that show. It's just tight. I fucking love it. So I think I like that that's part. And the ending, the ending, the ending. I'm gonna watch that. She. I've never seen Breaking Bad. I think my sister in law hasn't seen it. I'm like, oh, oh man, I. I want to be you can. Yeah. There's some ways I want to be you right now. Yeah. The writing scripts, I wish I could forget that shit. I was like, watch it again. Let me see if you could sell that to people. Billion dollar industry. Yeah. Give us some time to breathe. But whatever you consider to be that good or whatever you I guess. Yeah. So whatever I put on that, it's like whenever I or I guess that's just like art in general, but like a if I see that in a, I draw those characteristics out of this show and I'm able to like put them into other pieces of art, and then I can like put them over into this category. It's like, oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. This like has some of that maybe a little more nuance or a little bit less nuance. So I don't put it above that. But like sometimes whatever I'm gathering from what I like so much about Breaking Bad, I can apply to every other show and then we'll like, we'll see what sticks. You know, I'm saying that maybe out of all those shows I'll be able to see, like, what do I value and what do I well, what gives me a steer as to your criteria to a show? But the way that I was able to do that with Jesus and the shroud and the facing face cloth, I was like, bro, that is gas. So I knew that I was wait, wait too deep for me to understand on the first go around. Know that going into it, it's like this is an ocean that I'm never gonna touch the bottom of, but like, let's just keep on swimming. Yeah. Something about deeper and deeper down, further out and deeper down and further out and deeper down. It reminds me of. Like, tell us around. Oh. All right. Well, that's a podcast. We're going to head to the studio. Because that's. What I get when I hear that moment when I felt that thing, we just felt right there. A lot of times I'm like, drop the world. Get to the left. Fucking is the right. Well, it's fucking head. Open up, sound trap. Here we go. We're open. Don't lose that. Yes. Yeah, we can keep going off of that. It's happening at times. There's a feeling of surroundings. Welcome to the podcast. Yeah. Hello. We're just running a gun today. Welcome to 77. 77. Like, comment. Subscribe. I'll put it up in a less intrusive way than I did last time. I just do like a little doodle doodle thing don't animation. But oh, the. For the podcast I came out today, I put the the ducks meme. Oh nice. Subscribe. My fuck. You. Nice. Excellent, excellent. You should subscribe. Please subscribe. Yeah. Tell a friend. Subscribe subscribe describers I'm gonna get a Patreon. Going to fucking. We're going some extra shit. Nice. That's for something. But yeah man, we were trying to get into that. But we could just. Because we're just talking about this. Whatever. I had a thread. Life. Yes. Talking with people, talking about anniversaries, the Bible and reading the Bible. Lince Easter season. So you're talking about. Yeah. Yeah, that's transition because it's worth talking about. But the Bible feels like art. Like you see a piece of art for the first time. You see like look at it and then like, all right, what does this mean? You know, saying, I think this one, the powerful about the first time you see it and you're just like taking it in on, like, I guess, base level and just like, just maybe just like reading the Bible because I see a lot of pastors say, like, you got to read the Bible like, I don't think they're saying it like to be able to say what you want to say or to be able to call yourself a good Christian. It's just like, not like what we're doing here. Like, I'm telling you, put your eyes on the Bible. Like it'll change reality. It's changing the way that you see story. Totally. I think that's your life. And that's how your. DM is going to be telling you what's happening. Yeah, right. Cuz you're like the DM in and the person in the story at the same time, like you're dealing with. Like the peace of God in you, I guess maybe. Yeah. Please. I think that was it. Yeah. I think that was like, something is animating you and telling you what the story is. You know, I'm saying, True. And maybe telling you your chances of what the roles have to be. Maybe they're. Lying. Yeah. How good is you have. How truthful are you? Oh, shit. Oh, right. And you don't get to see the dice rolls. You just get. You're just asking, what do we want to have happen? And I need to tell you, yes or no? You don't get to see the dice rolls. So you can't rely on you. That's the back end of that damn burden. Yeah. Not true. Because then you're gonna have to go roll dice on Realities Encounters, too. But it's like. Yeah. That's when people will talk themselves out of a lot of stuff. Some people are overly confident. I shouldn't even try to roll for that. Yeah some people are on facilitation roll for and get it right. You know what I'm saying. Like that shit happens. Like that's one of. The. Things that I was said briefly on. But a lot of season three, the guys just like with confidence, dude. Like, I mean people for the most part, this is what he says. He's like, people don't even know what they want. It's like, well, if I, if I, if you come out with enough confidence and you just like, say, this is what I want, this is what we want, this is what we're doing that a lot of people are just like, okay, well, I was looking for something. I was looking for some kind of what we're doing. Instruction on what's happening here. Yeah, I was looking for some DM, you know what I'm saying? So that campaign. Yeah, I was like, I pay what? You know, it's. Just I roll it now, but it's like, he was that he was like telling his younger brother with enough confidence, you can just like, pretty much do, like not anything but. And he's like, I'd much rather, shoot the ball at the last second than have the shot and not take it. So even if I missed the shot at the last second, I'm much happier. I shot the shot then, just like holding the ball, not taking an open shot at the last second. It's like, what are we talking about? Well, he's talking about kid. Yeah. And I was like, damn, like, this character is fucked up and I don't like him. But the thing that he said, like, had a lot of truth to it and the lens of trying to teach his little brother how to, like, be a man, I'm like, it's like kind of a good lesson, but like, he's such a he he's an asshole. You get a comedian. Exhibit that truth per se, or he. Does, but you. Could in a negative way. He said it like basically this kid was like trying to get laid and he was just like, oh, these ladies like his bro. Like, why should I keep drinking, bro? Like, honestly, with enough confidence, people don't even know what they want. It's like you're like, you're going to like kind of tell them what they want. That's like life in a sentence. You want a job, you can tell them that, like you're the guy for the job. You're going to, like confidence is going to be what you need to, like, get what you want in this life and you need to be able. To conviction. That's your to. Yeah. Yeah. Confidence that he was saying you're like he didn't even deserve it per se. Like he was just like I'm fucking the shit. You know that. Like it was just like he was trying to get laid. It wasn't even like. But that deep. But it is that deep too. Yes. When you're trying to, like, really roll dice that maybe your subconscious says isn't for me. Some of them don't make sense, but it's like, you can like how how much do you think you deserve? It will impact what kind of energy you put into it. Yeah. Even on a subconscious level. Like, do you deserve to win? Like, do you deserve to like when somebody is lying and they're accepting the trophy and they know that they didn't win? Like there's like a feeling of like, fuck, this isn't right. This isn't right. That's what it is. Yeah. And then what are you going to you can't fight that on a subconscious level like it has to check out for you to, for you to really give your genuine, authentic authenticity to it. And I think that's so then you get into the evil shit where people are like why I'm a liar. So this does make sense for made a lot of this person right now. It's completely like twisting reality or you know what I'm saying. Right. Like the straight line or it's like fucking whatever, I don't know harmony. There we go. Equilibrium. There it like. The right move, the strength of the. Natural order. Of things. The one. It's a fabric of reality. It's one fabric. It's this is this thing. It's this running time continuum space, time continuum we're stuck in or in in, like trying to fucking do what they want to, but ultimately just going to work. That's what's going on here. So try to get in line with that. I was like, you know, maybe he's like static like that. Yeah, that sounds perfect. So what I'm talking about reading the Bible too. It's like getting in line with that. Yeah. Maybe getting closer to. Yeah, that's one thought or. Whichever way you got to go. So sometimes. Oh sure. Whatever it whatever the metaphor is. Yeah. Know I'm, I'm saying like becoming more in line with like that ideal frequency or that ideal. Home, the one, the one. Home. There's all people meditate. Yeah. Do yoga. It's like get closer to that. Hum. Yeah. Yeah. Settles down other chemistries going on in here. Just like. For sure. For sure. The other thing is like maybe literally like God is just this energy. Like he's a father. A lot of things, it's different. This metaphor for visualization, it's easier to think him as a ball and energy and it's like glowing. Let's say he glows like white, white, bright, bright white, pure white. And then your orb starts like gray and it's just like, literally just the physical, the physical act of us, like trying to read the Bible at all. It, like, turns us a little less like allows us to come a little closer together. And just being close to God, like the closest you could get, the better your life experience would literally be, because God was closer and he could maybe like, do more to help you. Or and the better it'll be is like independent of anything outside of your gray bubble, you know what I'm saying? Because it's just your gray bubble like, or your bubble, whatever color it is like. However, whatever shade or closeness you get, maybe we're all just like same gray bubble and like, we just gravitate towards, like, the all black circle or the all white circle, you know, I'm saying, like the closer we like, we can never get to the like. I think I touched it one time. And then you roll backwards on yourself. It's like. You can't be doing that. You can't be doing that all the time. Like Paper Mario, come, come back to 3D with videos. Us yo. Yeah. But yeah, I think you're. Like, I think there's like a head on with some of that shit. That's like an idea I can definitely empathize and feel and like, see, but I think, yeah, maybe the way or I was saying is independent of whatever all the other orbs are thinking or doing. It doesn't matter that literally none of that matters whatsoever. The only thing that affects the closer you get to that thing is your connection to it, and it's to your abilities like strive towards it or be pulled by it. Yes. And both, you know, say and both. That's what graces. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I think about it like, it's hard. There's. But the better it'll be. Right. Like let's just for instance, like if you were more dark gray, like, let's say it would be like rainy and dreary outside when you woke up. And then maybe like if and maybe weather is not good because we all share weather, but it's the idea of like your personal experience, maybe like your interaction with the person. You get the coffee with, your whole interaction at the gas station, your whole interaction and traffic. What happens to you at the restaurant? What happened to you at the restaurant? This, this, these things. Right. I think that if you were a little bit lighter, a little bit closer to God, all of those things, like the timing of your day could just be like a second different here and there and create dramatically different results for what kind of day you had. Billion percent. True. You can't control those things. How are any of them control. That's that's not where. God that's artwork. That's all. Like I don't know how the orbs to me that's hard work. That's in harmony. Did you come on he wrap it up. This is where this comes from. I don't want to choose this. I didn't choose this shit, bro. I choose any of this. Yeah, just have natural flow. Natural plug. Fuck. Natural proclivities. Yeah. Fuck, yeah. So yeah, I'm. I'm trying to get to the end of the stream because the other part of it is. Oh, great, we're going to God reading the Bible. Yeah. Just literally having a more rich. Day, you know, have a better life. Better life, a. Better life, dude. Better life. Okay. What's better. Though? Yeah, because Jordan Peterson is talking about it. The I posted it on my story. You can check it out. Well this is what what happens is, is that. You moving the. He's like it's a big thing to say. You're a Christian. A lot of people say that they're Christians. Dare say they believe in God. Yeah. He's like just sitting on a couch. Just like talking about that idea. He's like, oh, yeah, that idea. Just spin bars. Like. What, you mean you're openly. First of all, it means you want to live your life like according to Christian law, which means like you're going to have to open, open, armed embrace the fact that your ideal is to be, like, crucified more or less, to be hated by people, to, like, be subject to, deformation, that they're going to take all of the ideals that are the ideal, that you know, that they're the right ideal, and then they're going to dump their dominion of tyranny on you, and you're gonna have to suffer for what you know is right. And and that's like, just where it begins, that that's where, you're willing to say that that's what you want to do with your entire life. You don't want to be, like, rich on a boat somewhere. It's like having fun. You want to commit your life to suffering for ideals that are guaranteed to bring consequential harm and suffering massive. The massive, most massive consequences you could imagine. While while bad guys roll over you and laugh at you. I was like, fuck yo, that's that's a different thing than being like, I'm a good person. It's like better. But saying I'm a Christian, I feel like it's like we're not we're not necessarily talking about the same thing there. A lot of times it's like I try to do the right thing or I try to do the godly thing or that's like, oh, I'm trying to then no, I said, what I say, I'm trying to get my orb a little more bright every day. Yeah. So what I'm saying, when I'm a Christian, it's like this very nuanced thing with Jordan Peterson's like. Know. What you're saying when you're a Christian is that you want to get as close to Jesus. As Jesus's life. Yeah, that's what you want, that that's what you're saying. I'm going to take my behaviors and I'm going to model my ideal. It's like on a subconscious level, that's what you should be saying. That's what should be experienced. And then Jordan Peterson is like, look at my life. Like I'm telling you, like he didn't say it like that, but that's what mediately where I was like the energy where he was so, so much conviction of like, that's what it means to be a Christian is to embrace that. And that is no fucking joke. Like, I don't know if you can handle that because he found himself in a hospital in Russia not handling it. You know, like it tears people apart. Yeah. Look at Jesus, you know, let everything not know you. But like everybody like that's the. Yes. I think he was trying to say that your life experience should similarly mirror that if you're really about that action. And that's a lot. That's a lot too fucking. Yeah. You should be knowingly like, oh, have your eyes completely open to the, to the idea of like, suffering a sacrifice. That's what that's what this is like. You're going to sacrifice at the highest level. Like you're really going to you're going to say that like you value sacrificing at the highest level. So you're going to hold that. You're going to say you hold yourself to that ideal. Do you really hold yourself to that ideal? No. Like no one does. No one does. That's the thing. That's the fucking thing. It's like no one's going to carry a cactus, so no one's going to carry a fucking the cross of a or a fucking. It's like a thorn to cross or like, you know, say a crown of thorns. No one wants to wear that thing because you can't win. Came with that thing. It's just going to be painful. Dude, you're hitting the nail on the head, bro. And you accept that. Yeah, that that's what it means to be a Christian and to hold that as holy, you know, and. To really do it. And bend your knees in prayer to it, but really do it. Yeah. That's what I'm trying to express. Like if you hold it holy, you might actually then you would have to feel bad if you're not doing it. That's that's the thing. That's the thing that I mean, that's that's the thing that determines if you're doing it like. How you what what you feel about it when it's happening. Yeah, totally. You should because if you need it. The the judge becomes alive, the ideal becomes alive. Or like he's like all ideals are a judge. You know, I'm saying it's like the ultimate ideal. Like you're going to hold yourself in the court of law, you're going to go head to head with like, the ultimate judge and like, have a jury of your peers and like your peers as yourself. You're saying, yeah, and you're sitting. You get to live, live witness testimony. Oh, fuck. Sorry. I just connected that damn stuff. That was crazy. Just. Yeah. That's great. Yeah, yeah, dude, you blow my fucking mind, dude. It's talking about the. Witness earlier in the show, too. I was like, we're all just expressing our witness. And, like, you are the witness in your own court of law with the highest judge. Are you going to put up there? He's gonna let you off, or he's like, like, no, I really hold myself till the fucking jury get this on the fucking whatever the hell the sonographer. Get your fucking fingers ready, because I'm just going to spit in my life right now and like, what's really happening? What I'm really doing, what I'm really trying, what I really feel being honest with myself and, like, regardless of whatever the judge is going to do it in me for it. Like, that's the only that's your best bet here. That's it. Oh, we're all on trial, dog. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you got a whole. But you got Jesus as your attorney. Call me. Yeah. Come on. No, this is that fuck is better. Better. Jackson. Yeah. Grace. Your honor. Grace. Though. But I'm with you. That because some people are willing to lie in that live testimony, that's a different thing, too. But, But I think that's what we're saying is that being a Christian means, like, being honest with that. Like, at least that's part of it. Yeah. And like, yeah, because it's so easy because then. Because you have to navigate reality where it's like being happening out here too. So you have to have this in line to be able to like even commit like a authentic, verified version of what maybe, maybe God wants you to do at least I'm like, trying to do what I think here. Maybe I'm too dumb to do the right thing, you know? But at least I'm like, in line with what I think, you know? Yeah, because you could think something like. Oh, profess with your tongue, but not with your heart, you know what I'm saying? That's probably here too right. Yeah. Because people because like got a bit about it. It's like people say they don't believe in God. I don't believe in atheists. I really don't give a fuck what you say dawg. Like you can't know. Like there's no such thing in my mind and not the thing is God, no such thing as racism. Like it's not. It doesn't exist. Like it. Sorry. Like you. You could say whatever you want, but like you're doing something, you're testifying. You're witnessing like it's happening. Oh sorry, dog. Like, this was your on trial right now. Like it's like we're all watching and you're watching. It's more like most specifically and intently and continuously like you're watching and like we're all just witnessing here. We're all just live in this. Doing this thing I forgot was water. Fire was fire. You were talking about professing with your heart and at your tongue. Yes. And yeah. So you can like, say you're an atheist, but, like, how do you act? And you can do the same exact. On the opposite you can say, believe in Jesus. You say you're a Christian, but like, how do you act? And like that's. Way more indicative of what the fuck you think or fuck what you think, but what would you think? But like the thing, if I would just fuck what I'm saying? The fuck what you're hearing. It's all fucked. You. I'm with you. How do you act? What do you do? Yeah. How do you DM. Interact with, like, whenever I'm the DM or whatever we're like in a shared. There's a D and they're all sharing. And we're all at work. All at school. And like you know, I'm saying like, how do you act in those situations and how do you role and how do you what do you what do you tell your character to do. And then like, how do you respond with how with the situation that we're all witnessing right now? So you know what I'm saying? Because like, there could be a disconnect with like saying someone's overweight and they're like, I value being thin. It's like, okay, so you could say, like you're not aligned with the ideal. Like the idea would be to have a more healthy body shape and I at least healthy. You start that for sure. Right. So their eyewitness testimony would be accurate. It's like this isn't the ideal. I exist in an ideal. But then it's like over time, if you don't, it's like, do you worship something that brings you out of your own ideal? And then is that truly what you worship? So like, how do you how over time would you exist in the UN ideal without ever? It's like, do you really believe it's the UN ideal if you refuse to cross over into ideal, when does that happen? When does that take place? Yeah. Right. I guess it would be like, And then and then not being able to perceive what's going on. I think there's a different physics to it. I think that's like is a state of mind. Would be living in the UN ideal. Okay. Because like at your core base, you know, it's wrong. And then if you're constantly doing something that you know is wrong, that would be like, if you believe it to be true, it is true. So you can lie out loud for like justify it to yourself while you're doing it. But if down here you know it's wrong and you keep doing it, it's like you, it's going to make your orb not white. It's not. That's bringing you down. You can't trick yourself into getting positive frequency from negative internal actions, even if you on your conscious can't determine that it's a negative action. It's like. If I'm. Like, if a kid is like a bully, his heart knows. I think that that's not right. But he's justified it for 3 or 4 years. But it's like his his life can't go well for him. His frequency can't be high because in his heart he knows that it's not right. So if you can get down to what you believe in your heart, then you can start acting it out. Then you could start having a good life. And I think that's part of like being a Christian is something. I'm sorry, I know. What the fuck. Yeah, we're getting in there. Talk, dude. Let's fucking go for real. Because sometimes I'm engaging in life and I'm like, what is happening here? Like, we saw what happened, so I know what the truth is like, you know, like it's the truth. Like, objectively, it happened. I'm a witness to it. And then we should probably all react like it was a relative spectrum of this kind of reaction. And it's like, okay, for some people to be more mad, some people to be less mad. But we should generally come to like 2 or 3 relatively, fair conclusions. You know, the truth or what. Like what's on the top 2 or 3 answers and Family Feud. You know what's right and what's the question. And what's the. Yeah. What's the top three on the board? And if you can make a great argument for answer five does win a lot too. Sometimes it's just who makes the best argument. Yeah. The right charisma the right confidence right. The roles get crazy. Yeah yeah yeah. I can't believe that. Whatever. Fine. But most of the time we get to like consensus, right. So whenever that structure and flow of like processing life of the group of people isn't happening, I'm like, where's the disconnect here that someone like, misperceived. What happened? Are they lying about their witness? It's like, what are the motivations for the general outcomes here? Because like that one doesn't really make that much sense given all the precursors. Subjective reality and objective truth. How close is our witness to that? Right. So something is misaligned here, and that would make me think someone trying to tug on that string of reality. Yes. Because it's like, what is it you must have motivation to not like, let's say like when the vaccines didn't want to do testing right before they get the vaccine. It's like, what's your motivation for that? People experience. Right? The narrative that requires experience. Right? Right. And that was that was a given excuse. That. That's the response by the by the conservative. Right. Like in gym Facebook. It's pretty. Much yeah. That's pretty much defunct, dude. Like it's getting to the point where I was listening to a Christian radio station where they were talking about how Bill gates was actually very heavily invested in the pharmaceuticals and in contact with China and like to some degree had a lot to do with the Covid and the vaccines, along with Anthony Fauci. It's like, this isn't. Just factual. It's like it's beers. I mean, if it is conspiracy theory, it's made its way to like Christian radio. I'm like, what's happening here? We're just talking about what I want us to talking about, right? Don't shut us down. No, no, I I'm just. Come on. Don't monetize the Jesus episode. Come on now. I don't care, but I don't care. Please don't. But how how close is your witness to objective truth? Yeah, it's really like we don't know. We don't know. We just like, we're doing our best. It's like that's our degree of separation, you know? We have no idea. But we do have kind of an idea, you know, where like, generally some I surmise based on like, results and the way someone's living their life and the way they, they can they can say themselves, I'm having a better life because I've been doing these things or whatever. You know what I'm saying? Yes, yes. With the limited time that we probably have left, I was trying to pivot off back into things. The things that I've been thinking about on Easter. Okay, this is like the type of thoughts that I've been having an Easter is this kind of stuff right? Nice senior Jordan Peterson post helped bring some like clarity to like, man, it's like hard to like get to the parents. Say that they hold their ideal and they actually actually do that shit. Right. You want gone to church your whole life? Church is a very social thing to still not. Yeah, it's still not. It's still not there. And only you really know right in your heart that you and your heart like that. And what justifies how strong are justifications? You can have super high intelligence and some very high justifications for yourself. Yes. And to break out of those justifications is like some people aren't the type of personality to break out of a cage. Some people are innately give me the fuck out of this cage. It's like different personalities or different things. Yeah, I think maybe I think openness might be a really big characteristic that really plays a large part in how we perceive reality and the fact that, like doing or not doing psychedelics or having a psychedelic experience will increase your openness by one day standard deviation. Like that's just fact and it's a permanent change. That's huge. That's a big shift. It's like a plus 30 or plus like 40 or 50. Depends on which side of the spectrum you're on I guess with the bell curve. But one standard deviation is like a lot. So you can like I think we need to be open to being wrong. You know what I'm saying to saying I'm sinning like I'm fucking up. This is not good. This is not like what I want to have happen. And this is not what the character says I want to be doing or like, I'm not in line with objective truth, you know? Yes. That's then the question is like. How open up to that. Then you could like change it, right? How willing are you to change it? Yeah. And I think this is the change that we talked about Jesus breaking. So like you would change it if you weren't chained to whatever the fuck is holding you back. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Childhood trauma might be affecting behavior. Addiction, like poor coping mechanisms, the loss of someone close to you. And I think that, like, the chain, whatever that chain is, you know, it's like sometimes just calling on Jesus, like, this power in Jesus name, like, just literally saying, like, Jesus, help me with this. Like Jesus was able to perform miracles without even, like, being there, you know what I'm saying? Like, just like it's like Lazarus, come out. It's like he didn't like she's like, Lazarus, come out. Didn't even talk to you. I didn't even touch him. Yeah. And then Pastor Ed was saying that if he would've just said come out, all the dead bodies would probably come out. Yeah, that's not just a myth. That's like a lot of people are like. He probably said, Lazarus come out sick because. Specifically. His the power in his word. It's just like there is no there is no living. There's personal. Yeah. Personal. Yeah. That was it too. Yeah, yeah. So my dad was preaching about to. But anyways. Yes, that's, there's power in Jesus name to break that chain. That's why you're singing it. And all the songs. That's what they mean. Yeah. To being truly open to being actually in line with the objective truth or it. Yeah. And your perception of what's happening and what's the best way to proceed going forward. Totally. Yeah. Yeah. I'm wrong. If I'm wrong, tell me like let me know how to do it and get in there. Yeah. This was like, things will happen to you to like moments in your life that are like, I was different after that. So like, I think if you're out of the ideal too long things will happen like that to where it's like you need to change. So I'm going to change you. So that's crazy. Out there, in there, everywhere. All day. Yeah. Mondays 38 day. Yeah. So 70. You know. So what. You say. Now I think that just Christian opening my mind, opening my heart to like these ideas about trying to understand Christianity and like what it what I'm doing here, what we're all doing here when I start about the one of the big takeaways is like praise and worship, right? Like I am not. I just had this really sad close close up as I could in church to say to one, see, I don't really care who was next to me. Please let me get close. And then, I just sit next to this girl. She's like, hi. And I was like, five minutes. Matthew, how are you doing? We talked about CVC bingo on there for how long? She found out about my TikTok. They're talking shit about CBC on TikTok. I thought that was crazy. And then I think there was a point where I was literally like, She's like, I just love the music so much. And I was like. I mean. Yeah, she didn't say like that, but she mentioned that. And then I said, like, I love I like present praise and worship. Like, not to sound weird, but it's kind of my least favorite part. I really love Bible study. I really love the. Song and the nuances of the story. Yeah, give me the highlights of the give me the Breaking Bad. Like like director's cut. You totally. And if I'm just being honest about my experience with the show, is that that's my favorite part. So like, that's cool. But sometimes I feel the urge to like, look at my watch and be like, are we are we going to the pastor Ed going nuts like Steph Curry up there? Okay, I watch Steph drop 30. Yeah yeah. It's like the halftime show. And then literally in that service I was fucking just like. Had. I figured out why people person worship by the end of that service. Or like joining in the song. Yeah. It's like I thought I was like, I always feel kind of tight. And then somewhere along the line, I feel like I loosen up and then you can, like, really feel the Holy Spirit. It's like what I tell her. And then I watch myself go through that experience of like, being tight, being tight. And then there was just like a song that was just like two. It like swept me up like a tide. It was just like Matthew, come to present worship land. And I was like. Whoa, was that a ride? And like, we're singing the song as, like, a whole church. And it was like the the chorus would come along and you could just hear, like, the whole crowd be like, oh, I felt like Seminole football. I feel like I was in like a Penn State whiteout game. Yeah, yeah. Crazy, bro. Like, going nuts. And then I watched the worship leaders be like this is nuts. And then one of the worship leader said something about, yeah, we're in the back just talking about how beautiful you guys sing. Like, just to hear the whole church singing like that. It it's a thing for us back there. And it felt like they were referencing that moment. And then at the end of service, pastor, I was like, let's sing that song one more time. And it went back to that song we were rocking, and I was like, okay, we're all feeling this. This is crazy right here. Everyone in the stage is only yeah, what it was like, bro. And then I was like, yeah, crying like uncontrollably, bro. Like wiping my tears was kind of dumb at this point because it was like I was coming back. I was a faucet and I couldn't, like, explain that to you. Yes. I want to. Be like crazy, bro. We talked about for like five minutes for sure. I was just like. Oh, like, that took the music, took your son for real. And I was just like this open, like, beacon of the Holy Spirit coming into me. That's what happens in the Elvis movie. Sing the Elvis movie. Now watch it. Yeah, just watch it down. That's good. I've done. You'll love it. You've put it on. While I was falling asleep one time, we had been drinking at his house, so, like, I, I seen it, I've seen it. I remember you telling me that. But I'll watch it, though. Yeah, I saw it, but yeah, that happens to him. And like the, like his, like childhood. He goes to a church and he just gets swept. Really. He's got swept up this in the song. You know his friends. Are trying to pull him back because he's like ran off. And then the, the pastor's like little like he's with the spirit now. You like, like lit a vlog. Yeah. So, so okay. But like that's. What he can do. Before. Yeah. Before I'm like, why? We're just singing, you know what I'm saying? Yes. We're just singing. And people get crazy. They're like going off. And I'm like, that's. I kind of feel like that. But I'm not that person per se. I don't think there's times where I would be like the guy around the fire probably going nuts. Oh yeah. Right. Like there's a peyote. Maddie. Like just hey, y'all. Well, hey, hey, I think there's a time where I'm that guy with the drum. Like, going to doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom. We're fucking running around the fire dog. Yeah, dude. Like, if my ancestors doing that within me, I would. Yeah, dude, that thing exists to me for sure. But when I see people, like jumping up and down for Jesus, my heart's like. Yeah, I'm not there in this life, though. Or yeah. What is it? Whatever my personality type. Are they pushing? Are they trying to virtue signal? I don't think I'm like, trying to figure out what it is without being judgmental. And there's getting lost in the spirit. Sure. Because I know what it's like for maybe that's what I'm like when I'm lost in the spirit is I just like, soak it in, like I'm not even trying to move very much. I'm just like, I'm not trying to look at anybody directly on stage, because sometimes we make eye contact. I feel like. And then it's like, I'm not even trying to, like, I just want to fucking, like, feel this. And when I'm just sitting there feeling it, it's like. Like I don't. Yeah. It's crazy. Control is too good. It's too good. It's too good to comprehend. It's too good. You can't even. So what I'm trying to draw out like when we're all gathering and singing, sometimes it's just like we're just singing. Can I get, like, intellectual? I'll get to the thing that. Yeah, the the I guess I value, I cherish the most about this thing totally. Yeah. So I'm right there with you. I'm not sure what exactly the question is, but the answer to the question is, is that like praise and worship is an access point to getting closer to God? And you can lighten up that orb like we talked about I think when just by, just by singing and declaring Jesus. Lord your words. Right. Words are powerful. Dude that's heavy. Yeah. We're even DMing our words bro. I choose to say this guy character has a stutter step, like. Here you go, dude. Oh my goodness. We're out here. So yeah, praise and worship let you access. God make you cry yo. Oh, man. Yeah, yeah. We got we got to wrap it up. We got other things to do. We got 38 productions to get product promoted. But episode 77. Absolutely love you all. Like comment subscribe. Share this. Let us know. Ask us any questions, whatever make involved. We love you guys. Have a great rest of your life. You're right where you need to be right outside of.