Infinite Timelines, ONE Truth? | The MJ38 Show #83

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Hello. Welcome in. How are you doing today? 38. 83. We'll rock and roll in deep. Adele. Keep pushing. How you're doing? Yeah. 38. 83, baby. Come on. Welcome in. Hopefully your life's going beautifully. If not. I'll give a shit. How you. Doin? Not as there's the. Opportunity we talked about a couple times ago. Yes. I hope I'm like a Stem and Call of Duty. Like, if you're not doing well, your health slow. You put on MJ 38. You're good. Back to. Hell. Get that hood. Get that hood away from that flashing red. Yeah. Show plate up and get back in there. Flashing. Nice, nice. Bom bom bom bom bom bom bom bom. I forget how the melody goes. But you get it, you get it. You know what we're talking about. You're talking about. Subscribe. My pulse. Hopefully you subscribe. Though. We were part of that. Was it? This is real quick. So easy. One click, real quick. One click. Go make an Instagram a new one are YouTube. Follow and subscribe with that one and then just fuckin remove it. You know, don't delete it because we need the number, but just remove it from your eyes. Oh yeah. There you go. Do us a favor. Make as many accounts as you can. Hey, ban your IP totally the follow. Subscribe with all those that. Go ahead and get a VPN and then keep. Going. Okay, there we go. Keep going now, but definitely be a friend. Tell a friend. Be a friend. Tell a friend, have a friend. One of the motifs we've been talking about today is vacation. Okay, summertime has arrived. It is summertime. It is hot. Maybe one of the guys I follow on Instagram who I hope maybe to have on the podcast one day, just got back from Italy. Okay, his highlight pictures looked fucking awesome. Who is this? Scott? Okay, I think you mentioned this guy. He's a gentleman that does real estate here in San Antonio. He wears an iconic hat with a red trim underneath. You probably seen him. You probably know him. If you don't, hopefully I will introduce you to him someday. He just got back from Italy, man. It looked cool as fuck. That's one. That's 1.1 for me. That's going to be like my shit. Italy. Hawaii. Oh yeah. And I don't even know what else Thailand is doing. The White Lotus run. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. All right. Perfect. They got some iconic spots in that bit for show. Italy is definitely up there though. Oh yeah. He took a picture. He took a picture of like, you know, in the second season of White Lotus when she's on the boat and I think it's the Amalfi Coast. That's what I think it is. But I could be wrong. But like it looks at the coastline from the boat and it was literally the same coastline. I was like, I think he did that because he knew too, that that's the coastline from the from the White Lotus. That's the shit. That's the thing you take the picture of. Yeah, it's cool as fuck. Drake raps about it in champagne Poetry or some song I've heard. Yeah, off for the Amalfi Coast he calls. Yeah. Just to what am I, obsessed? God. I think Russ, that's. It's the island, you know. Yeah. It's like a. Yeah, it's definitely a good bar block. It is a nice sounding sentence. Name a sentence. Nice sounding phrase. Oh yeah. There's a couple syllables. Sometimes I'm officals and I'm just saying under. The. Wrap on. One, two three, four. You know that's nice. Totally, totally. So it he went to Saint Peter's Basilica, which I also was listening to the Jordan Peterson Dallas Jenkins Jenkins podcast, and they both connected at the very end of that podcast saying like, sometimes Jesus feels so, like so beautiful. So out of human nature. Yeah, like me, the human person can't really I don't really have access to that. He's on the stained glass. But then. Like on The Chosen, you see Jesus like being relatable and making Joe. Literally being a human. Yeah. It's like somebody wins an arm wrestling match and the underdog won. And Jesus is like, I didn't even see that coming. It's like, you know what I'm saying? But then, like, they both connected on like, Saint Peter's Basilica. That will make you feel like Jesus is so beautiful. That it's like then. You're like, oh. Yeah, it feels almost out of reach. Or it's like, I think, yeah, I think I remember hearing that in the in that episode of the podcast, in relation to that example, Dallas was saying that he so in the stained glass at that point, or he's so like, yeah, out of touch, not, not relatable, not, not humanized, not personified. It's just like an idea of a divine thing that you're not. You are the opposite of, actually. And like, you need to beg for forgiveness because you're just like, so not that. And then you see him be a human, but it's like, it's going into the Saint Peter's Basilica was akin to the idea of overwhelming feeling of, oh, I can't do this like I need to in order to, like, praise this thing properly. I need to build something of this magnitude and beauty and depth. Like, I can't do that. What the hell, right? I said this is impossible, right? My temple is not this temple. I can't make a temple like this. I'm working on it. But temple is dirty dog. Yeah it is. I mean, they all are. And it's small dog. Yeah. It's like a palace talk, preach, preach. Scott went to Saint Peter's Basilica. I'm scrolling on Instagram. I would love to go. Oh my God. That's why it's a one. Point one for me was like, I just want to walk around and cry a whole bunch. Yeah. Take some some super psychedelics. Oh fuck this. I would pickled dill, bro. Yeah. Billy pig's going fucking deep. Man. So I, you know, want a vacation? Italy probably would be the number one. That's gotta be up there. Do you seen in White Lotus when the Asian dude, he goes on his run in the mornings? Yeah. And he's just, like, running in the streets. Yeah, right. Oh, fuck. Dude. Oh, fuck. Let's stop by a local shop, run. Up on David real quick. Yeah. Go get a fucking. Holler at a true Italian. Woman. Hey, get Christian to use a crostini. Oh, man, that'd be sick. So. So I'm thinking about vacation, but I don't have, like, Italy money right now. I'm also just trying to, like, be cool. And my, like they say, don't live above your means. I'm trying to be cool in my means. Yeah, I like, enjoy my means. My means are great, bro. Does it means come on. It means in the trap. Me what you mean? Oh, what you mean I got what you mean? Yeah. So like it? Here's another thing about your means is, like, I could go to a blue Prime steakhouse. I could get an espresso martini and a pork belly on happy hour. It's like 20 bucks, maybe like 25, 35 for the tip. Should I do that every day? No, but you could do that every other Friday. And that's still in the mean $35. You actually spend more than that? Actually. Sometimes. Yeah. Max. Fuck around. And accidentally I got the double in the Glock announcement at 25 bucks for. Yeah, I see that shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've definitely noticed that like a chick fil A Vin or whatever. I'm like, damn sure like me, the wife and the kid. It's like 30 plus dollars. Like, yo. What happened to dollar menus? Come, we're at ten ahead here. What the fuck? We could spend an hour talking about how inflation. Is fucking us, dude, inflation is fucking us. Billboard dollar menu. You get a value menu at best. Dude I think do I saw a post this morning said oh there was like a list of Walmart products that are up 50% in price. Well, it's like bro, what the fuck man? Anyways, the percentages are fat. Yeah, we can get to that. But one of that's one of the reasons why vacationing in Italy sounds like it's super abstract, because the part of inflation being so high is also making me want to live more in my means. This is your shout out to go to cover. Cover's fucking sick. You can get double chicken at Carver for 14 bucks. Actually, that's with extra hummus. I think it's $12 for just double chicken, $12 double chicken and rice. And it's like my favorite meal, right? It's like a mediterranean chipotle. Yes. That's. I would say that's the perfect description. They do I always want to say pickled pickles, but it's not their salt brined pickles. And I'm not exactly sure what a salt brining process is. How you. Pickle something? Yeah, I guess so. But the pickles are fucking fantastic. And then they do pickled onions. Pickled cabbage. They do cucumbers in tomato, fiery broccoli, roasted corn. I've got the perfect blend worked up. It's in my app. It's saved when. I, when I. This is not a plug. This is just a shout out. I wish it was a plug. I wish I can get Melissa's let me down Mediterranean. But like come on, it's just an A. Where I'll add is cava. That's within the means that that works. Probably once a week is the ideal. And then I try to save it for like a day when I worked really hard and I don't want to make dinner. I don't want to feel good, just, like, eat and feel great. But other than that, I'm doing things like sweet potato and turkey at home, grilled chicken and broccoli, dog food. Come on, I know what it is. That's. That's some kibble dog. So every time I'm on eating. Like, a cup of rice, it's. Feed the machine. Broccoli and grilled chicken. My brain, just like I am. Moby. That's just. It's like I am Tucker right now. And Cosmo just beefed up his beefy kibble beefcake. So, yeah, vacationing seems kind of abstract, but something that struck a chord and my spirit was I'm really into Philip Anthony Mitchell, pastor of church 2819. He kind of blew up during Holy Week, the week leading up to Easter. He kind of caught my virality, perfect time, perfect place, perfect lightning storm. I don't really think that he expected to be, like, viral, like that, but now it's like a lot of other Instagram pages, like Fear the Lamb. Do you follow that page? No. But, and not not I definitely not follow them. But I may have seen some of the content. Probably they do really cool edits. They have Jordan Peterson on. There's a lot. It's just like people saying hard Christian stuff. That's my dog is like, what? Okay. Yeah, I think I see. Yeah. It's all black and white. Yeah. That's sick. So like. Between those phrases. Yeah. Meaning meaningless happiness. Just go here today. Gone tomorrow. But, he's on. He's blown up. Yeah. For sure. I rock with him so much. He's tired. He's actually stationed. I don't know what you call it. Located in Atlanta, Georgia. Okay, I looked it up. It's a 13 hour and 38 minute drive or a $120 spirit ticket. Yeah, it's got to be cramped for a few hours. My legs can't feel my legs. It's my little small bag carrier, but, But yeah, I was thinking I would love to vacation, get an Airbnb for 2 or 300 bucks for a couple nights and go to see him perform. I know this is worth it, since, yeah, he's a pastor for sure. Yeah. I was thinking about that in regards to like, watching Pastor Ed or watching the pastors since, like they have a 30 minute set. Like, so I'll say like it's it is what it is like. Is what's happening. They're definitely performing. Definitely have a desired outcome, have an organized template of what to say, how to say it. And it's not like it is a script to a degree, but that they can go off script and do whatever they want to call tangents or whatever comes to the to the forefront of the mind. Yeah, drop a little spirit in your spirit box, your mailbox. Yeah. Just feel the need to talk about something or say something or pivot in a different way. But they're performing for sure. It's a set every week, bro. Yeah, my dad was like a theater kid, did like, plays in college. And then now he's a pastor. And I feel like that part of his personality really enjoys, like he uses a lot of the same skill set and techniques that he learned in theater to, preach. Well, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. So I think that that they go hand in hand. I don't think they want to think of themselves as performers, per se, but like you're doing the performance as I say. It for sure. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. But the word performance has like, like you're a fucking jester. That's where I was juggling dog. Yeah, yeah, it performed for me. Yeah. Oh, preacher man made me laugh. Funny man. Yeah, exactly like me present watching a preacher man make me cry. Boy. Right. But it is a performance, though, for sure. There's another thing that it just feels like a worthy use of vacation money to go to a church I really want to go to. Yeah, to go do something right. I don't know if that's more or less worthy than going to see like a Knicks game, like vacation to New York to go see Jalen Brunson versus to Atlanta to go see Philip Anthony Mitchell. But in my mind it does. It does. And also church doesn't cost money. Yeah right. Yeah. So I can just go get there an hour early because I want front row seats. Hang out the playoff coffee I don't know. Check it. Yeah yeah. Just check out the congregation. Check out the spot. You might even be able to, like, schedule a tour. Like, I think you can do those CBC. Like, when I go to their website, it's like, schedule a visit. And I think I'm. They probably have something like that. No no, no. Yeah. But and then that really got reiterated because I sat down at church, I went like 20, 30 minutes early, probably like 25 is when I got there, walked in because it's a long walk from the parking lot and then was trying to get like into the front row area and I got like pretty close to the stage. And then the guy, like right in front of me was sitting by himself. And then I just like, accidentally heard and saw over his shoulder that he was watching Philip Anthony Mitchell on his iPhone before CBC happened. And I was like, these are my two favorite pastors and my dad. But like, yeah. These are the guys I'm really like paying attention to right now. And I was just that that morning. I had looked up how far away his church was. Away. Yeah, yeah. And I was like, this feels like a sign. This little wink. He's. Yes. Let me type. Totally. Yeah. I got inspired by Julian, our friend. He hopped on a plane, went to California for a day or two, came right back, didn't really miss any work. It just like went to a quinceanera with his family out there. And I was like, that's chill, bro. Like you. You went to California and back. You just got a little vacation like, refresh your spirit, you know. A little travel action. Yeah, yeah, a little. Refresh it, hit refresh. I been hanging out on my box a lot. My box. Okay. In the box. And then you go out of the box, and then you come back into the box with, like, a different version of yourself, you know? Totally. Yeah. At least a little bit. I think that's the idea of behind vacation and travel. Trying to decompress, release some internalized stress. Yes, yes. Yeah. But I never went to Atlanta either. Yeah. Hi, Lena. Dirty, dirty. Yeah. Be cool to do something or it's cool to. I guess it's just going on vacation. I guess, in the sense of traveling somewhere you could do, like a staycation. Just relax, refresh, whatever, recuperate. But then to actually, like, go somewhere. So leave your normal circumstance, normal geographic area, your house, your grocery store, all that normal shit, and then go out to unknown territory. That's like a whole different aspect of vacation. There's like aspects in in of itself, which is super cool, and it's cool if you're gonna include that into your vacation itinerary or like decision making process, because then you can, like, make a trip out of or whatever. You go someplace like you go do something in that someplace, you know, I guess it's different than just like, going to vacation in a spot and just like having a B and B A section of the B and B the whole time, right? Versus like going or like going to Vegas and only going to the casinos the whole time. It's like if you go to Vegas, like, yes, you can gamble and stuff, but I definitely recommend like doing something, going and seeing the Jabbawockeez or going and seeing like a show or going to see like a stand up comedy or whatever. Or some people go to Vegas for the EDC concert or festival that's out there, or Where's Burning Man? Is it out there is an Arizona or something like that? I think I think it's in the desert. Yeah, I think it's in Nevada. It might be in Nevada. It might move. It may have been in Nevada at a time or two, maybe in Arizona and New Mexico. Those places, I'm pretty sure. But yeah, like going someplace out of your normal comfort zone, traveling outside of that to go do something is like, cool as well. Hell yeah. So yeah, that'd be actually I go it'd be different to like, just go to Atlanta. Just like to go to Atlanta. Yeah, I'm like half and half with that because I was thinking about what I do in Atlanta. Right? And I'm like, I would definitely want there. I'd find a gym situation because I want to work out while I'm there. At least a day. Yeah. How long we're going to be. Probably all the days just left in the morning. Feel good. But then I was thinking I was like, man, I if I can find a studio that like, I could work with like a producer, like if I could find Ace in Atlanta, some guy that would just pull up and make a beat for me or let me go through his catalog, like make a song in Atlanta, that'd be fucking cool, man. So like, I was thinking like, yes, I was thinking like, I want to do me just like over here and just like, that's an easy way. I'll just like, kind of keep my routines, do what I like to do. I was thinking, go to a steakhouse, see if I can. If the bartender is actually legitimately cool with me, then maybe he could tell me a cool place to go for like an afternoon or cocktail or club. Like if you if you came and visited San Antonio and found out about George's keep from a bartender and then went to George's keep and they had like a pop at night with the DJ going off like that would be so fucking cool. But it also if that if you went to a place and they told you to go to a bar like PCAs or something or like picks, it kind of be like, okay, this is like cool. But if you could tell me, like a culturally relevant spot where like, this is where the nightlife sat, this is where people like chill and it's a buzz. That'd be cool as fuck too. But what would you do that would be like off the beaten path for you. Do you think if we were in Atlanta. Off the beaten path I don't know, I guess it would be cool to go to the, to the church for sure. That be tight. Yeah, I guess what else would you could you include in there? I guess one thing I was going to kind of attach to this thought is that my mom kind of does this with, running. She, like, runs a half marathon or whatever in, like, whatever the state is or wherever it is and, like, makes, like a trip out of it, you know what I'm saying? That's cool to include that. But, yeah, I just, I'm not really that big of a Knicks fan or not. Knicks, whatever. Atlanta Hawks or the Falcons, they're not. Playing no more. Maybe if it's if it was a Falcons game or something. Yeah, yeah. Falcons Colts would be ill. Yeah something or you know someone cool. Yeah that would be sick. Going to an NFL game would be awesome. Just take it to the expensive. Oh for sure. Yeah you can nosebleed it. Facts now because it's expensive. But like decent tickets it's like 400 at least for 2 or 300 range tickets. And plus plus whatever like fees and other bullshit you got to put on top of that tax. Yeah. Like bam just three full bills right there. Yeah. Let's see them. Tape in a gallon Ziploc bag of vodka to my chest so I don't have to pay for beers inside the stadium. Of the $9 $10. Yeah. Wearing a bra. The flask in it. Jesus. But, yeah, I think also museums are a cool thing. Like, if they have any museum for anything. So, like in a museum. Yeah. I'm sure they're definitely planning to. Choose touristy type things to do. I'm sure ChatGPT could populate all. Oh big time. Yeah. Totally 100%. 100%. But it's cool to attach some sort of doing of the thing. Plus the added benefit of being outside of your. Normal. Geography. The other thing I was saying about vacation is I'm trying to plan like a birthday Labor Day trip. We've been talking about it, or we're going to stay at our friend's river house and go to Schlitterbahn for a day. That's a relatively low cost, but just getting all your friends together in one place to party or celebrate. And has share time. Share time. That's it. That's a. Vacation. Priceless. Yeah. What does the fucking Mastercard commercials or whatever it. Was, they nobody got time. For that, was it? Yeah. Record. Dude. Yeah. It's just it's just so busy. Everything so busy, and life is moving so fast or. It's just so. Consistent. Doggett. Time is going quick, man. But. I was thinking about that in regards to, like, maybe we're just all having so much fun in our lives, you know, because time flies when you're having fun. But time is. Flying, dawg. Like, it's it's already June. We're in summer, kids are out of school. I just gave because, like, every year, I guess this year and the year prior. So fifth and sixth grade for the little girl, we, I do this, like, not exercise, but I pretty much just have her write a letter to herself. Like from the first day of school versus the last day of school, because I remember that I had done that when I was in high school. I think I made a freshman year of high school, and I remember being, like, tripped out by the time I got to the end of the year, and I was reading the letter that I'd written at the beginning of the year. I was just like, yo. I was this guy. I remember being this guy, and that guy is so dead. Like, that guy is so gone. I'm about to elevate to the. Next grade or whatever, but to go into the next year. Like this, that feeling feels so cool. It was trippy. I remember being tripped out by it. So we've been doing that. You just got like third to fourth or fifth grade. It's like, yeah. Fourth grader baby. No more fucking journal time bro. Whatever it is. New chapter, new and new levels of being so happy. It was summer I remember I'm feeling that so I remember I can feel that so vividly. I remember seventh grade year specifically. I don't know why, but I remember walking home because I was relatively close enough. Like the apartments were close enough to the middle school. Wasn't too long of a walk, maybe 20 minutes, but I was walking with a tree and big Dick is walking out after school and just walking home. I remember I could like, feel, I don't know what I was wearing per se, but I remember feeling like walking by the sonic on the sidewalk and like I was just feeling summer, like sink in. It was just like watching. Like you're pouring water on the fucking dirt and watching the dirt. It's like there's like, take it all in. I was just soaking in like, oh, I'm done with this shit. This is nice. I'm about to chill my ass off this summer. I remember one semester in college, I felt that thing driving from the rec down to the LBJ light, and it was just this feeling. I was like, oh, it's done. Yeah, I that was my last final. I'm fucking done with that. I can shed this. All of those feelings associated to that semester. Yeah. That hat that we're wearing of like student. It's like, I fuck this thing up. Yeah. Oh, dumpling on the video game hat, bro. I'm going to go fucking Master League right here, bro. Yes, bro. Game battles. Yes, bro. Yeah, I fucking loved Summer. And college is so fun. Just like wake up, go to work at the fucking. It's get a lift in then it's on you baby. Whatever the fuck you want to do, baby. What do you want to do, dog? And it's cool too, because it's like, well, I gotta do something with my life. It's like, well, that starts again in the fall. I've got that put into it. It's coming. Yeah. It's coming. I don't have to worry about that. That's happening. So the video games were like more enjoyable. Oh, so. Much more. Now. Video games. I'm just like, I pet play and I'm just like, I'm wasting time. And wasting time. I think I've seen a meme about that or a video in reference to the same thing that I was. It. It was a smaller channel, and I'm fairly certain maybe it's a larger channel now, I don't know. And there was a I want to say it was a months ago that I saw this video, but it was just about that idea of like playing video games in your 13. Now, this game is so fun. I'm going to play all night and all day. Yeah, it's like versus playing the same video. Games like in your 30s. It's like you are wasting time. You should be making money. Like, what are you doing? Yeah. Yeah, I saw this. Jillian sent me a meme that was like, my my my girlfriend. Or it was like, my girlfriend's mad that I took off work on Friday so I could play the new Skyrim all day long. I think she just doesn't understand a hobby. Like she needs to. Find something she. Likes to do. Dedicated as me. Yeah, yeah, but there's just the. It's going so fast. That's the thing. It's gone. It's gone. Sixth grade year for the little one. Done like summer before. You know what? Summer is going to be done. Summer is cool because we get to sleep in. You know, we kind of, usually she'd she takes a little one to school most of the time, but like 60% of the time, 70%. But we still go to sleep. So that's like super, super chill. So I'm I'm enjoying that that that's soaking in. You get something to. Yeah I felt it today. It's like it's like nice when I waking up early and many more like last night thinking about it. But then I already know it's going to be August. September was like real soon real quick. Before, you know, it's gonna be time for the NFL draft or the fantasy football draft. It happens every time. So fast. So just hold on tight, bro. Oh, that's. I'm tight. And set yourself up. Set yourself up. That's all I can do. You just try to set yourself up in the future, or trying to do stuff now so that whenever you get to like the, the thing that's coming is coming at you, bro. No matter what you're doing here. Now, today it's it's coming next year is going to be coming, God willing. Oh, God. Okay. At the same time, you can enjoy the. Now, I just had to tell myself I was like. That's it. No. You're good. There's still today. Today is still happening. Granted. Right now it's. Going by quick. All we got.

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00. Yeah I felt so at my brother's wedding, I felt it like for like two hours I would say two hours. I was just because I think I remember looking we were, we've been dancing or did the ceremony. Woke up early actually that morning. Did the rehearsal. Did the ceremony. Got her, got dressed, did that I did that. And, we're done. We're doing the dancing. No interception time, hanging out, drinking, having a good time with the fam. And it was I remember checking my phone and it was like 830 maybe or so somewhere in that ballpark. And at that moment, I remember thinking and feeling and taking in the energy of, oh, this is like, it's only it's only 830. It's it like, oh man, this is like we still got at least another hour and a half, two hours of like this, like this, this. Enjoying the family. The time, the hanging out, the good energy, the music, the dancing, the food, all that fun stuff. As, like, felt all of that for just like, two hours. Oh, just like time is. I can. I can I can reframe my perception of time in reality, in this moment right now to make me feel as if I have more time where I have like sufficient, I have more than enough, like the cup's overflowing. Usually it feels like I'm fucking running out. Like, oh shit, we gotta go, we gotta go, we gotta go. I'm in a hurry. I'm in a hurry, I do something, yes, but in that instance, for two hours, I felt like an overflowing of like, oh, I have more than enough time to, like, take all this in and enjoy this and be present and, like, hang out and, like, slow down time a little bit. Yes. I felt that shit just. For two hours. That was it. That's it. Most of the time. In a rush. Yeah. What's the time you run it. Behind ten, 15 minutes? Yeah. Yeah. I remember expressing a similar sentiment. I was like, I'm going to reframe time. I'm going to do time. Alchemy. Yeah. It's hard long. It's so hard. There's moments where you are in there and you're like, oh man, I'm good. Like, but most of the time, like you said, you're 1015 behind. I had a couple time. I had a day last week where I was ten minutes early to everything, and that it was just so fucking. I wasn't doing anything crazy. I didn't really even know how it happened. I think I like, you know, how you like. Okay, I got to leave by this time. I gotta leave by this time I just, like, fucked up. And I accidentally made myself leave 30 minutes early for my hour and a half gym session. So I had two hours and I was like, oh, sick. Took my time with it. I wasn't running late to work was fucking awesome. It felt great. Different way. Different different vibe. The time is just it's so hard. So hard to control. It gets away from me quick. Marty worried about my Schlitterbahn trip. Yeah Marty thinking that's almost over. They were planning a vacation for that already and so yeah I already know it's gonna be here. SuperZoom bro. Like I accidentally had an anxiety thought about being at Schlitterbahn and you're looking at it like, oh, it's 5:00 for the. Park's closing in an hour. It's like, dude, it's we're two months away like this. Fucking chill. We're not. Yeah, we're so far removed from. Having to be. That. That deadline feeling. Yeah. In that particular situation. Yeah. But it's there. It's it's happening off right now anyway. It's what you're feeling. Yeah. Exactly right. I can feel that guys reality right now. It's happening. All this is happening at one time. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. It's pushing yourself to believe in like a multiverse. Believe it. If you if you decide. Yeah, I think so. Multiverse theory. It sounded like you're like. I've been convinced that's probably true. What? We'll put you there. Did you start as a kid believing in the multiverse? No. No. Definitely not. Definitely not. Didn't understand it conceptually back then. Yeah, I guess, like, I wondered, when did I get introduced into your matrix? My matrix? Maybe. I want to say maybe it was longer ago than I thought, but I was I was thinking like towards the end of college, maybe even after college, like multiverse theory or like the true idea of like what that is like pointing towards and suggesting. Yeah, I think I really didn't even hear about that till I was like a little bit older. So definitely a grow up, like thinking I. Remember there's like a family Guy episode that talks about it. Maybe. Maybe, Rick and Morty, you know? Yeah. Rick and Morty type shit. Yeah, that would help too. Yeah. So that was definitely college, actually. Okay, so yeah, maybe that was there too. Okay. So okay. Okay, okay. We're backtracking. We're finally logging. We're finding things totally. Definitely. By that time marker, while I was watching Rick and Morty, multiverse was definitely in my mind. Or because that's kind of what the show is talking about. It's going in different universes where there's an infinite amount of you and you can just hop into the universe because like there's a point point in the episode or in the series early on in the series of Rick and Morty where, like, they die so they have to leave or they fuck up the reality, they, they, they created a situation in their current reality where they've messed up the entirety of society, like everyone's bugs now, or everyone's fucking tarantulas or some, some weird shit. There's some sort of mutation going on with society. So now there's no more people. It's like, okay, well, we fucked up this reality. We need to hop to a different reality where we die, and then we can replace our dead selves and like, they bury their dead bodies in a different reality, where there was some sort of accident that killed both of them. And they just, like, replace those bodies and, like, live those lives with that different family, quote unquote, different family. But it's like there's an infinite amount of us and an infinite amount of universes. So I was definitely introduced at that time, probably junior, senior year college. So I know what that is. But like 2015, 2014. Totally. But yeah. So since then, I would say, I guess that that may have helped me conceptualize what was going on the multiverse area, what that suggestion alludes to really. Right. But one thing that also definitely helped is just like openness. So why not? Fuck it? Why not? Oh, God, sounds like it could be real. I don't know, I don't know what the I don't know what to believe. How does it how does it how does it help me if it's true? And it doesn't help you. It just is true. Yeah. Okay, maybe. It might just help with the ability to. Open. Up to possibilities or to be hopeful or to reframe your perspective. Part of me thinks it's just like a coping mechanism for how. Permanent this is. So it's not permanent at all. There's a million other realities, right? To a million other things. There's an infinite amount of reality. It's just like ourselves saying, no, I don't want to go to bed. But it's like the version of it is, is like this reality isn't all there is. That's what I think sometimes is. Sometimes, though, we like these really smart people just tapped into this underlying intuition that we all have, that maybe this isn't everything, but it's like, What? What? Why would that be true? Why wouldn't I want to go? I guess it's quantum physics says that it's the most likely the only way to prove physics is through quantum physics. Like physics doesn't work unless you're able to integrate quantum physics into it. But then quantum physics doesn't work unless you accept the fact that this isn't the only reality. So it's like the super very big brain scientists are like, well, you have to kind of believe in a multiverse theory. I'm like, I don't know. It's like pi. It's like that for some reason. There's all the circles go to the same infinite, not infinite number. And I think it's like, it's a proof that makes the circle work. But I don't think it's legitimately something that is out there that you can touch. I don't know if that makes sense either. Like. It's just an unknown thing. We've label this unknown thing as pi, right? We don't know what the fuck it is, really. We just call it. Pi. Right? And I think maybe that's what the multiverse theory is, because it's like, I don't think we can communicate with that thing. With the other universes. Yeah. No, I don't think so. But I think we could feel it sometimes. Okay. Like we were just talking about, like, the reality where you are. Maybe. It's maybe it's this reality, or maybe it's its own reality, I don't know. So, you know, again, a little fucking. Yeah, but. Yeah, but it's you able to feel your future self's. Dread or feel your future self's emotion. You know, it's like I could just, like, imagine that reality happening. And then I guess the proposed theory behind that is our behind multiverse theory is that everything that could happen is happening right now all at the same time. It's all out there. Everything. There's an infinite amount of you in an infinite amount of things that you could do. And then you do all those things in an infinite amount, and they're all out there and you can like, yeah, maybe you can think about it and go there even when you're thinking about it. Like even just that little bit of imagination you give to it would make it real. Like your thoughts or your visualization and like, ability to maybe emotionally attach yourself to a moment that doesn't exist in this current room. But you can travel outside of the room with your head, and you can deal with remote viewing and shit that we're talking about. But maybe there's a I don't know, I'm not. Maybe there's a thing out there that is like that. I would I'm not saying I don't know the what's the actual hard evidence that people are using to support this theory, but there's got to be some because this is like a super I've heard this for the last ten, 15 years. Yeah. For sure. It's it's because you need quantum physics to prove physics. And then quantum physics only works when there's other realities, like I, there's more words I could say that would make that make more sense. Like, I've in my own brain. I've simplified it to that. I don't need to know the other shit personally. Okay. We could look at on chapter 15, but you can look it up much easier. And I'm not going to bore you by typing on my fucking keyboard right now, but that's I think that's why it's a constant in our society. Is that, like Elon Musk says, it's like astronomically small percent chance that this is not it. Yeah, that this isn't a simulation of some kind or another. And then the thing about simulations is that a computer runs more than one simulation. Like they never just run one simulation. They run like 10,000 and then aggregate the results. But another thing is that they don't run infinite, like no computer can run infinite simulations. So like my dad's theory is that like there is probably a multiverse and there is other realities, but it's probably on somewhat limited, like a web and like your major life choices created like every major life choice created like 5 or 6, maybe different realities that could have spawned right there from all of the actual. Like rational things. You could have. Done right, like decisions you could have made if you're going to. Go to college, there's only so many colleges you would have actually gone to. I could say, like, there's a reality out there where I started school at 26 and I graduated this past spring from every possible college in America. Like, that's a lot of people's version of the multiverse. Theory is it's infinite. Every everything that could ever happen to you left, right, up, down, blue, red, green, all of them are happening somewhere. But like, my dad's like, that's not real. Like you. You only where ever going to go to like UT or Texas State or McMurry. There's like a certain number of things that made sense to you that you chose from. But then of those things, it's like, probably there is a web where you went to all the different ones and ones where you stayed with your high school girlfriend, and one where you didn't, and one where you stayed with your college girlfriend, the ones where you didn't, and then different college girlfriends. You could have gone by then and then like, it's like a limited it's not limitless. More or less is what I'm trying to communicate. Okay, I see reason because yeah, I my, one of my running theories or one of my running, like, cognition, like conceptualizations of what this thing means is that there isn't an infinite amount. But I see we're saying as far as like this, just like limited more limited to what's actionable in in your in your story right now. You know, I'm saying yes. But that's, that's at least because that's at least true. Like if you're going to make a, make a decision like the reality where you made the other decision, quote unquote, reality where the other thing happened, it's like potentially real as well, because what's going on? You're just making decisions. We can't we can't see the other side. But like we're here in this one. But we can make decisions in this one and that's it. But I guess yeah, I was thinking that there's also because I think I've heard I want to say it was Joe Dispenza. I want to say he was the one who kind of I think I, I've gathered some of this from as well. Now I'm trying like backtrack and find out what I remember about this. Idea of multiverse theory. But that was the, he was one who I mentioned and in one of his books, Becoming Supernatural or something like that, I forget. But his great, great author, Joe Dispenza, he was talking about multiverse theory in regards to, like, the, infinite possibilities. You know, like infinite multiverse theory, not just multiverse theory, I guess, because that's I think just having multiple split realities is like happening. We can't we can't we can never, like, talk to it per se. Maybe you can connect with it emotionally. If you think about like, oh man, if I would have gone to this college and said, or if I would have done this different in this game, we would have a different outcome, we would have one maybe. And then you would think about the win or think about the change of play you would have made or whatever. So that other place is real, just based on your indecision or decisions here in this world. But then he was talking about the ability to like, talk about infinite because like, we're stuck in space time, I think is how I would describe it. Like space time, we travel through space, we experience time. But then he talks about the inverse I'm going to butcher it. Okay. Just disclaimer check it out. Joe Dispenza becomes supernatural or something along those lines. Great. This is my butcher knife. It's like talking about space time. We that's where we live. But there's this like time space where you travel through time and you experience space or something along those lines, but it's like inverted, like as if we are living it. We're limited by time. But if we were hypothetically living in a reality where there is no time, there is no end of time. There's no like time that we like that puts a cap to our life, you know, because here we live for 90 years. Like we have time. That's it. That's all you get if you're lucky, like 90 years. But if we were to live in an alternate reality where we don't, we're we're not limited by space and time. We're like, live in an infinite amount of time. Then, like there would be hypothetically, you would be able to accomplish everything like what stops us from accomplishing everything we could possibly think of right now. It's like our our time, we're going to die. But if we weren't going to die and lived in a limitless time, then what could hypothetically stop us from doing anything and everything? It's like, well, hypothetically, it gets like nothing, really, I guess, like physical limitations, but that's it. Yeah. Total. Yes. Right. What are you saying that to say? You were saying. I guess that was more of a point towards the infinite multiverse theory. Like everything that could happen, would happen in that infinite time space, you know, saying versus space time. Okay. And with that, yeah, that resonates with me. But I see what you're saying, too, because it's like there's only so many things that you would have done legitimately. But then I guess. Yeah. So that that's that's the question that's like the leap of faith insofar as like are jumping from multiverse to infinite multiverse is saying, I think there's like a time when I am. Well, I guess it depends on what we're talking about. This body, this person I'm in right now or like we're talking about, there are infinite amount of reality and timelines where this consciousness that I call Justin is experiencing anything and everything. Like being an aunt or being a fucking palm tree. Different parents, different country. Different country, different. Yeah, exactly. You know what I'm saying? Maybe I like yeah. This. Well that's that's that's a. That's a lot to digest. Well okay. Yeah. But I think that Justin wants this. Whoa. Doodoo doodoo doodoo doodoo doodoo doodoo. Doodoo doodoo I think Justin wants to. I'll fix it. I hit one instead of two, I think. Oh, okay. It's better, isn't it? Yeah. Okay. I think Justin wants this avatar. I think you want this reality. I think you want this mission, this story. I think if you could choose from all of the infinite things going on, this is more or less what you would have chosen. And maybe God kind of helped you because you're like, I want like this, but I don't really know. He's like, Sullivan, Justin. I got you. California. I know where you go or we'll here we go. Biblical God made you with a plan for you in your mother's womb before you were born. Specifically. Yeah, right. And so that's what I'm alluding to there. It's like there was a pre ordination of predestination. And I don't think it's ante to what you would have wanted for yourself. But then you ask a kid in Africa if that's the reality they want for themselves. It's like probably not. Following probably not following. Getting somewhere. Hold on. Take a little break. Bam! Back and we back in it. So yeah, I don't unless like, those kids were Buddhist monks that were like, I would like to experience a life where I truly get closer to God. And. And the harder your life is, the easier it is for you to be closer to God. I mean, I don't want to go on a limb and say that those kids ask for that in a different life. No. Yeah. Who knows? Yeah, it we're getting out there. We're getting out there right now. But it's also a duck. The people you seen the Tim Tebow shit. Oh my God. Dude, don't even oh my God I don't know though. Dude, dude dude, did y'all fuck, man, that's his rough dog. Just go look up. Whatever's on these days, just look. Yeah. You'll see, you'll see. He has, I've seen sponsored ads, like, from his organization specifically, but I've also seen him going on other people's podcasts talking about the same type of stuff. Evils real, bruh. Evils real. That's one thing that whenever Wesley Huff was on flagrant, and they were talking about God and talking about like the exclusivity behind it and like the, the, how it seems kind of unfair to like, if some people are exposed to Jesus and don't accept him as Lord and Savior of their person or the personal Lord and Savior of their life, then like, they're just like condemned to hell or like going to be excommunicated, I guess, separated from God in the afterlife. It's just like, well, that's because then they were talking about like that as the example and then the ability to be like genuinely live a good Christian life. As we talk about this before, it's like the your heart, like, you know what I'm saying? Like your heart has to truly be in it because you could just it seems kind of fucked up because I've kind of I've been kicking this can around for like a week or so since I listen to the podcast. But I think the thing that's bothering me because like, for me personally, it's like I accept it. Like I met God. And then God introduced me to Jesus and was like, this is me as well. I was like, oh, okay. Like, I. Can accept that. Like, I get it. I'm, I'm I'm here for it. I get that, I don't get it as well. I'm here for that. But then the thing is, it's. A beautiful statement. I met God and he introduced me to Jesus. I felt that click with people that weren't me. Yeah. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I've been. Thinking about this for a minute or, like, for time and depth. You know, I'm just like, I'm getting in, in this thought because I was definitely in that sort of frame of mind because I know, like a God talk to me like through life, like just straight up, you know what I'm saying? How I conceptualize wings and timing and coincidence and like, the feeling and emotion and thought like reality, time, space. And then my head thought space, like catching each other. The perfect time with the perfect timing and the synchronicities and serendipity, all that shit you know what I'm talking about. People read The Alchemist, all that fun. Stuff, never see a sunset, and you're like, That's God, that's beautiful. And then that thing introduced you to Jesus. Yeah. I was like, no, this is this is me. I was like, oh, okay, I get it. Because like, God is like, we can't talk to Jesus necessarily. Even though we do. We talk to God. But like Jesus was a real person who was here stubbing his toe on rocks, like living a life, like wiping his ass. Like that is what happened, bro. I'm sorry. Like that's what the fuck was going on. Brushing his teeth? Yeah, brushing his teeth is shit. Like that was what was happening. So we can't talk to him, like, legitimately, but we could talk to him through spirit, to the Holy Spirit that we've gotten, thank God. Yeah. I was say it like I'm saying. Can I still talk to my mom even though she died? Yeah. Yeah, sometimes. Yeah, sometimes more than other times. Yeah, probably all the time. Even though I don't. Yeah. Even though I don't have awareness. Conscious awareness of it. Right. All the time. It's like I've, I've got I have the key. Right. You know, so I have the key, but I, I forget to wear the door sometimes or like I don't have time to get there or. I get too busy. I get too busy with, with the XYZ bullshit right here on this ground. Yeah, I can't yeah, I can't travel there with the Holy Spirit because I got to eat and shit and make money, survive. And I want to hang out with Jesus. Yeah. Oh, time hang out with the Jesus portrayed in The Chosen. That's like, not just that Jesus, but that's what opened the door to unlocking those thoughts. Was like, oh, he's a cool guy. Yes. Cool. It's a guided. Yeah. The man please go on one. Oh yeah. There's so I mean think about that in regards to the Wesley have stuff. And I was like so for me it's not a no big deal for me to like accept the exclusivity of like you can have like you're totally good. Like, oh, everything's forgiven. Like you're, you're right where I need to be. Like, you're cool with God, but like, you need to just accept this aspect of what happened in your on earth, really like in history, what happened here. And then I'm like, okay, Jesus existed. Yeah, okay. Got it. And he yeah, he was like a real person and he died. And then he really came back to life and like, told everybody, like I wasn't playing with y'all, like, this is what I'm about. That life. I'm gonna go be with my pops. Now. I'm out of here. I told y'all, I told you I wasn't playing, and, like. So I believe all of that. I believe that he was a real person. There's, like, there's a couple barriers of entry. It's like, I believe he was an actual human being who dwelt among us. We have historical records of this person existing. I believe he was real. I believe he did the shit that he said he did, miracles included. And then I believe he died in the way that he did, because the God that I know would die in that way. Or like if he did come back here, it would be an echo of Cain and Abel. Abel would just kill Cain or whatever. Cain. We kill Abel. That's just what would happen. Like if God really showed up and, like, made the proper sacrifices like that makes total sense to me. He was here. He did all that for real. He really died. He really came back to life. And then he really ascended into heaven. Like, I believe all of that. Like there's a whole bunch of checkpoints along the way. It's where it's like harder to accept some of those things than others, but I'm with it, so I accept all that. But then the thing that I'm having, like, struggles with and I to see Andrew Schultz and Akash having struggles with talking to Wesley Huff about the Bible and Christianity, exclusivity behind it, it seems kind of fucked up. Like I know that God's probably big enough to see beyond what you claim and profess with your mouth to like, see your actual works and your actual heart and like what you how you interface with people. Because if not, then what Wesley Huff and Christianity in general is pretty much surmising and telling everybody is that you can act and behave however you want to act and behave and treat people however you want to treat people. As long as you accept and profess Jesus Christ as your Savior with your tongue in your mouth, you will be saved. You're good. No matter what you do. There's no sin that always another sin. You can do anything and be fine. And it's like, oh, that's that's like that just doesn't seem right, you know what I'm saying? Just it's a sin is wrong. So Philip Mitchell would be like, no. Come on. No. To tell me Philip. A lot of people proclaim Jesus Christ with their mouth. Then they're going to go meet God and gods. And they said, depart from me. You never knew me. Yeah, that that is biblical. That's in the Bible. A lot of you will proclaim and you'll say you were a follower your whole life, but then I'm going to tell you, you never knew me. You loved sin. You loved sin. That's who you loved. You didn't love me. You loved sinning. You like your human life. You should have been shedding, that you should have been mutilating your heart. That is like one of my favorite things that Philip Andrea Mitchell says. It's like, you got it. This is what he does. You got a you literally got a mule that bring it out. You get your prayer closet and bring it out. You got lustful eyes. We get out. You want to cheat on your taxes, bring that out. You have to mutilate your how. Your heart will lie to you. It's like we're not mutilating it. It is better for you to cut your hand off than to steal what? That hand. It's better to gouge your eye out than to look with lust. For as it is, it is. You would. You should rather be dead than to cause another human to sin. It is better for you to be dead than to cause another brother to sin thing. That is the war that we're fighting here. That's the intensity, that's the gravity. And the reality is that a lot of people are going to get to heaven, and you're not going to get in, and it's going to suck, and you're going to say, but I was a Christian, I, I took communion, I did the thing and God's and I say, you never knew me. That's why I fuck with Philip Anthony Mitchell because he's got an answer for that question. Bring it up. And it's a. It's all right if I picked the mic on you guys. But, Post got you got to mutilate your heart. That is a fucking hard thing to digest. That your heart a lie to you that you'll feel things in. Want things in here like you're I want it. I want the fucking Ferrari. Like I want the, whatever it is for me, the easy things to think about are like rich, wealthy lifestyle, amazing hot, crazy sex. Like to be high as fuck. Just like. Oh, zoomed out potato. I feel great. Play video games all night. Like those things. Like, yes, you might want them in here, but it's like your flesh. It's like your flesh. Yeah, yeah. Big time. And you are a conscious, a spirit conscious inside of a flesh mobile. Yeah. You need the. Flesh will be able to get around, but it's like you on some level and I'm leaving. Philip Anthony mentioned I'm going into Matthew conceptualization of what he's saying is like, you must conceptualize that that is the game when you're playing basketball. If you don't conceptualize, I must score. You're going to lose if you don't. But then it goes further than that. It's like, okay, I have to I have to be active on offense. I have to run around. I can't stand stagnant and ask for the ball. I have to practice shooting or my shots won't go in. It's like I'll have to play defense. I have to play good defense. I have to play help side defense. I have to block out. I have to rebound. It's like it's not just like on one hand, you have to conceptualize what basketball is and then you have to conceptualize how do I play a good game? And then I think a lot of people aren't. It's just like I say, Jesus Christ is king and I go to heaven. It's like, dude, understand what that means. Then try your best to play a good game. And I think that if you try your best to play a good game, you probably can't fail. I think I think that's the thing someone says. Oh, the failure be will be perfectly designed. Right? Sure, because we will fail. Yeah. You're not. Jesus. Yeah. And I get it. Perfect. There's the failure. Will be perfectly designed for your ultimate, like, struggle and triumph and resistance and, like, squat, you know, saying it's like we're going to max. Out every day, dog. I'm sorry. Right. Right. Totally. And then, yeah, that's the thing is, like, what's a what's a just throw me a sin that we would do every day. What's a fucking daily. What's an easy sin. Lust, greed. Yeah. Let's say let's just call it, like, cheating on your diet. Right? That's the easiest one for me to conceptualize. It's like you can say all day long, you can be fully convinced all day long, like, I'm on the diet. I'm fucking doing it. I told everybody I eat healthy for breakfast, I'm healthy for dinner, the whole thing. Right? And then like, midnight comes and you're like, I'm going to eat some ice cream. Fuck, I want a brownie. I just want a fucking brownie. I've got them right there. They're right there. I'm just going to fucking. I'll just eat one. And then you eat the brownie. I'll just smell it. I'll just smell it. It all starts. Yeah. Dog is lick it. I'll spit it out. Chew on it. 3 to 3 chews and I'm spitting it up. It's like the mutilate your heart. That's what he's trying to tell you. Right? There is like, yes, you want it. But instead of saying, how do I. What kind of compromise can I make to do a little bit of it? It's like instead wring your heart out and then get on your knees and fucking pray. That's the sorry, I don't probably shouldn't get that aggressive that. But like. I know friends of mine that like this, they go to the same struggle and I've had to do it myself. Where you like when I want the vape so bad and I'm fasting and it's just like, I want to hit it so bad, I want to go by one. I just want to fucking. That I'll be good for weeks of struggle gone. It's like I have to get on my knees and like, cry almost, and just be like, I don't want this. Like, Jesus. I don't want this. Like, please help me in my fast right now. Please help me. And you sit there and you fucking pray until the urge is gone. That's like, that's the answer. When you want to fucking call the girl and you know you shouldn't. Because she said she doesn't want to see you and she wants some space and you're not, you don't want to texture. It's like, get on your fucking knees and cry. Take that feeling straight to God and cry until you feel differently. Yeah, later his feet. Then get up and go do something differently. That's that's the that's that's the pick and roll I'm trying to say like, how do we score buckets? It's like, pick that. That's how you try to play the game. Well, that's how you can actually get a bucket in the game of basketball. Correlating it to the game of faith. And that's the only that's the other thing for these questions because those are good questions. That's the other thing I want to give the devil is do the questions that Akash and, Schultz Schultz have. It's like, those are good questions, dude. Like, I get it. I get why you have a hang up, I really do. There are some things that are difficult. I get it, and I get that. I don't get it. That's another thing you got to accept. I'm sorry, y'all. That's what I find. This. I find something like my. Is about religion. That's why I'm sit here and get so excited about it is because I get why we don't get it. Then you find something that cracks and. Helps you get it a little more, and. You're just like, dude, this is important. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is a crazy tool I just found. Totally. So I'm trying to rewind because there's things there that are important. The mutilate your heart thing is important because you had a great, a great question that you brought up, which is what I can't remember. Some of the, like you, you can, you can you get to. Have. Oh yeah. Salvation. As long as you professed Jesus as long or regardless of your accent, works, right. It's like you don't. You don't. That's what I'm saying, because I think Wesley Huff was saying that you like you can to a degree. And I guess we talked about this last time, like the thief on the cross, like he was. He was right there, bro. He's like the he's like the the the marker or like he's like, a crazy ass. And like, just like trying to understand what the fuck's going on. He's the salvation. Yeah. He's Andy Dalton. Salvation. Fuck. Like, how does he like, you. Can just do that. But I guess that the thing that I'm assuming is that he. He had a change of heart. That's what it that's what it actually happened, you know. So then I guess Wesley Huff is saying that you don't need the change of heart, right? Because the because that that's almost more or less verbatim what Sultan Acosta are saying. It's like, isn't God like big enough to like, read your heart and know that, like, you might be living out a Christian lifestyle even though you're not professing Jesus Christ with your mouth and your tongue. So that's that's the other question I would have as well. Like I said to Philip, Anthony, Anthony Philip, that's. Another great question. Philip, Anthony Mitchell and you are not the first I heard, I heard that question before the part. You are bringing up a podcast. I heard that question on the podcast. Someone else brought that to me, and I disregarded the question because I disregarded the person. And I wish I could go back in time and to that moment when that person had that question. Because initially I was just like, Eve, little faith, get behind me. Like, you're going to tell me that Jesus isn't real because because there are people in the world that won't get to know Jesus. And my answer back then was that Jesus finds you. But the the Wesley Huff problem contends with the answer that I gave him because he's like you must proclaim Jesus is Lord. And it I don't a Bible is not going to fall out of the sky into a community where there's no Bible. But I found a relatively good answer for that question. It's like, that's what Tim Tebow is doing. That's what Tim Tebow, his father, did, the missionaries. That's why mission work is important, to go into the communities that don't know about Jesus and try fucking try to tell them about Jesus so that you can try. I think that's the kingdom building part of being a Christian. Is that like, yes, those people will go to hell. They'll go to hell. Luckily, Jesus is going to come back and and I don't know, revelations well enough to fully, accurately describe what's going to happen. But like more or less give everyone another chance to be redeemed and be saved. But. My answer to it is the mission work is important. Like if you if that question lingers on your heart, if that's your hang up from being all in on Jesus, then be a missionary. Then accept that as your task. Because if that's if that's the thing stopping you from being fully, fully committed, recognize that that must be your calling. That's kind of how I feel about that. That clearly mission work is important to you, that you're you're on the reciprocal of the fraction, like you're saying, I don't know if I can believe in Jesus because not everybody's going to know about Jesus. You should say, I believe in Jesus Christ so much. I need to go tell everybody about him. And so and I think that it's I think the reality of what's going on there is that those people don't like people the way that we were perceived in that conversation that I wish I could go back to were perceived as ignorant faith. Oh, we're going to heaven. We're doing good enough. Another question that that person asked us is, do you ever feel like maybe you're not doing enough? And my response is, you can never do enough. It's like you will never be worthy of salvation. We'll never be worthy. Earn it. It's impossible. Can't do it. So the question that you're asking is like, do you do you ever. I thought you were asking me inside. Do you ever have anxiety that I'm not doing enough and I'm not going to be worthy of heaven? And my answer was, I know I'm not worthy of heaven. So. And Jesus tells me I don't have to be in a sense where I just have to try to mutilate my heart over and over again. Like I was at a speed test with a different demon. Totally. And and to win a game of basketball, you don't play perfectly. It's so hard to like DDR. Perfect perfect perfect perfect perfect perfect. It's like impossible to do that. But you can still win a game. And I think on some level that's like, what's going on here is like the you have to embody the spirit of trying my best to play a good game and relatively succeeding in that because like, well, I think the thing about trying over and over again is you eventually would succeed. I don't think you would try forever and just fail forever. And if you really did, I that's that's the promise that Jesus knows and will still accept that sacrifice. It's it's a good Cain and Abel. Right. How do you define a worthy sacrifice? Like a true attempt, in my opinion. Yeah, yeah. Truly worthy of sacrifice by, by definition, would be like your best. Like the the the best of your livestock. Like your most healthy sheep or cow without blemish, you. Know, said yes, that's biblical. Yes. The. Did you pick the first one? Did you pick the best? Yeah. The first of the best. Like you know which one you like the most. Did you really sacrifice the one you liked the most? Because I think sometimes people would be like. You know, it's like people who are trying to stay on the diet or like in that same metaphor of, like a weight loss journey or a fitness transformation or whatever, whatever direction you're trying to head. It's like you could say, I went to the gym five days this week, but like in those five days, like, were you was it like a legitimate. It's like, it's like, this is like my that's like I went to the gym five days this week and that's like my here's my, here's my goal. But like that goal has three legs. It's like. What the fuck? Right. It's like it's not it's not. It's like malnourished. It's like you're running your litter. And it's like that would translate to the metaphor of going to the gym. It's like being on your phone, like talking to people at the gym, being there for an hour and legitimately only getting like 20 minutes of work in. Yeah. And it was like distracted work at best. And you're not like, pushing yourself. I didn't even notice. When did you say you were going to do four sets and you did three. And now that's good. That's good enough. Did you say you're going to 20 reps and you did 15 and said, now that's good enough. Those are the kinds of things, right? That's not worth the sacrifice. So not is still is a sacrifice. You were there at the gym like that is a true thing that happened. But then the the true intent behind your bests would would clarify or separate, distinguish it between worthy and unworthy sacrifice. If you if you really did go in and do your best and you still like only got in 20 minutes a good work, but that was like your best, you could have done that. That is still a worthy sacrifice. Yes. There's two thoughts to ham up before I can just let this go on, move on. One is that with the brownie instance, I truly believe in my heart. In my heart, that I had to hesitate because it's I'm going out on a limb here to say. This get out there. But I think that fucking up is part of heart mutilation. Like successful heart mutilation, but also. So when you eat that brownie on Tuesday, when Monday you were clean, Tuesday until 1159, you were clean. And then at midnight you eat the brownie. Then Wednesday you wake up kind of hating yourself for it. You have a little more conviction. Hopefully some people just throw the baby out with the bathwater and they say, yeah, I'm never good enough. Yeah, hopefully you wake up and say, God, I don't want to do that. I don't want to do that. I got to care more. I got to fucking log in, like log in, bro. It's like stumbling is part of the dance. I think I've said that on the podcast before, and I think that that's the same thing. The process of mutilating your heart isn't just like, cut out my eye, it's done. I got my eye done. It's like it might take months or years or decades to truly transform yourself and that you will fuck up a lot. That is part of how you transform yourself, is the conviction that you can try, from the guilt that you feel, from actually caring, that you fucked up. Yeah. And without that, you won't have the true motivation, the intrinsic motivation to become something different. So that answers, I hope, some of the questions that they have. Well, that's just one. It's another good question is like if you fuck up all the time, how can you say that? You're like a Christian, you know, like, are you really doing good enough? That's a good question. I get it, a worthy sacrifice isn't a perfect sacrifice. It's your best sacrifice you got. Yes, your best and perfect seem different. But in reality, I think they're the same. Then. Yeah. God is that God will accept that. You know? Yeah. It's like in the. In Exodus negative is or the maybe Leviticus. He's talking about just like types of offerings like sin offerings, guilt offerings. I think those are the same thing, like burnt offerings. And, this is another, another classification of type of offering. It's like for this one, you need to bring like your, like your best donkey or whatever, your best cow. And this one you need to bring like your best lamb or your best sheep. And this one you need to bring like your best, like turtledove or pigeon and like, I forget I think it might be the middle rung sacrifice, but the one where it's asking for a lamb and then it's like, specifies like if you don't have a lamb, then bring two pigeons or whatever, you know, what I'm saying is, like, I'll accept that. If that's all you got, I'll take it. You know, I'm saying. Yeah, yeah. Like that sentiment is expressed totally. And I think that you it's like the literal way to look at it is like, okay, is there like an equation chart for what animal is equal? What animal? You know, like four squirrels equals two pigeons equals one donkey. It's like God is like, four, four seeds, a grain, half a pigeon and two and a half turtle doves. It's like, pull up the chart, pull up the chart. Yeah. That's not I don't think that's what that's saying. Story parable wise. I think what it's saying is what you have to offer. And if, you know, like pigeons are cheaper than donkeys. So you would have more pigeons. So there's like, something you could feel out there, something you could flesh out. It's like, well, my friend has four donkeys and I have 12 pigeons. That's like three pigeons equals one of his donkeys. We have a relative wealth. Or like he's way wealthier. So like, one donkey to him is really like two pigeons to me. However, the fuck you gotta actually feel like. And then you probably should hedge and say, let me just give another one just in case. Just extra, just in case. Just because I love you, God. Okay. But then the bigger part that I'm getting too is that the problem with the cash and Andy Dufresne, the fucking. Angels. So see the problem with the cash and Schultz, the problem with the spirit behind the asker of the hard question. Same thing with the problem with the spirit behind the guy asking us the hard question is that part of it is stemming from your holdout. It's like you. The spirit behind the question, the person in Africa that will never know about Jesus, they have to go to hell. It's like you're not asking because you're worried about that guy. You're asking because you have holdouts on Jesus. Yeah, that's the problem that you're hiding behind. It's a veil. And then you ask this question as if you have passed bars. That's that's. Keep going. Fuck, yeah. And and and and so you're asking it's almost like a trick question because it's like what you're asking me is hidden behind the veil of a good problem. It's like, what does this say about the devil? Not the devil's in the details, but the, the devil's advocate is what I'm trying to think. It's like you're playing devil's advocate, but the problem is that's personified by the devil. You're bringing advocate because that's what the devil does. And so there's a little part of it. There's a little part of snakes in all of our hearts. But that question comes from a snake hiding behind the veil. And you present it as if maybe we should throw the whole baby out with the bathwater, because this person would never know about it the same. And then. And then the same spirit doesn't like the idea that you and I, we are born in America. We grew up in a church. Maybe we have this. Really ignorance is bliss. Vision of like, oh well, I'll just do my best and I'll be a good boy and I'll get to go to heaven. And then this person, the snake behind the veil, is saying, is your best really good enough? You really think you're just doing so good you're going to go to heaven? It's like I've seen people in poverty that I'll never know about Jesus, that are living a much harder life than you. They have to make harder choices. They don't want to sell coke. They don't want to cut on their taxes. They don't want to have to cut corners. But you guys are so blessed that you never have to. And so you guys just get to go to heaven because you have this fucking, gentrified life that you don't even realize. Other people don't have to cope with. And I say to you that the snake in your heart propagates that question, that the reality is, is that I know about Jesus, you know about Jesus. And we can get together and tell that person about Jesus, and that's what we should be doing. We shouldn't be sitting here throwing Jesus out with the bathwater because we you have a spiritual hang up. Don't give me a spiritual hang up because you have a spiritual hang up. You need to do like your fucking heart. It's like when someone is convinced that Jesus is real, the angels cry out. It is better for one sinner to proclaim Jesus is real than for 99. Jesus goes to proclaim Jesus is real because we're saving someone, and the spirit behind that is the answer to your question. We should be pursuing those people. And don't get mad at me because I found Jesus. That's Satan in your heart. And I'm not going to come after you because, well, the snake in my heart wants to come after you because you have a hang up. And that pisses me off. And you're coming after me with your hang up. And I want to get aggressive with you about that. And I got to nullify myself. And I've got to understand that it's a good question, and I've got to appreciate what you're saying. And then I have to deliver concentrated truth. Like I give a fuck because it's important. Just like it's important. It's just as important as going to save that guy. That guy is so lost, he makes you a little lost. And I gotta care about you as much as I care about the truly lost soul. And that is that nuanced answer to the good questions that I discovered from the Andrew Schultz of Course podcast, because I don't like the spirit behind contending Wesley Huff. It's like just because, guess whatever. Lucky enough, blessed enough to be in a position where I truly do believe in Jesus. Don't try to take that from me. What the fuck? Like that's kind of what you're doing behind a veil, but it's because you have a spiritual hold out. And I mean, fuck, dude. Like, what do you do if you truly have a spiritual hold out? Yeah, I was there just on the, I guess a conscious, a different religion. He's Hindu or Islam, okay. He's he's a different religion altogether. And I think Schultz is is not super. I think he like proclaims Christian or Orthodox Jewish. Nah. He's not. Yeah, I think so. But I don't think he's like, definitely not overly religious or very like super pushy. You're preaching about Jesus or Christianity itself, but I could I get the hang up so or I get the questions for sure. I think there is a point where Wesley talks about like God has the ability to, like, save whoever he wants, pretty much. And like and there are in those instances like if, if a. Of like. All dogs go to heaven or kids go to heaven, it's like a think. I don't think. So. Okay, that's. A Catholic thing I think. Right. I don't know. Is that like the baby cupids? You've seen those. Yeah. Iconography cherubs. Yeah. I think a cherub. Is that an angel from a baby that never had a chance to have an opportunity to have a relationship with God goes into heaven as a cherub. Okay, I think that's a winged baby angel. Yes, but I don't think that's doctrine. I don't think it's doctrine. But yeah, he just mentions. I guess kind of in regards to the same question of, like God can save whoever he wants as far as, like knowing someone's heart or whatever, but I guess it is pretty explicitly said, okay, well, this is this is my own conceptualization of it, because I think it definitely explicitly says Jesus himself was like, none gets to the father. But through me. Yes. You know, so like I said, that belief. But I think that the change of heart matter. So I guess we were talking like that to with, with Philip Mitchell, like the having the heart is real like, you know, so you have to be actually about that life because you can't just treat people and treat people and life itself however you want. Yeah. And just have like a get out of jail free card. Yeah. You know, like that doesn't make sense. Fuck all that shit. So I think that God has the ability to say who he wants, how he wants. And like, maybe whenever Jesus is saying to get through the father, you have to go through me. Maybe it's like not even a I guess I'm trying to, like, allude to the idea of like your the hearts, like your, your works and your actual relationship with life itself, including the people in it, you know, all of all of life, how you like, treat it like a like picking up trash or it's like being nice to somebody, like being holding the door open for somebody. It's like small, small things that also could be larger things as well. But like knowing your true heart and it's definitely easy to know the opposite. Like if your true heart is like you're fucking doing crazy shit or doing crazy, you know, like sometimes it's super obvious. To me that. There are definitely modes. Of behavior to in acts and in body that are. Not. The mark at all. Quite the opposite. You're aiming opposite of the mark. It's like super obvious in some instances. So that maybe I think it's like maybe it's a you can have, you can have the heart of and the acts of like a Christian or like someone who is legitimately having a, relationship with life and everything, including the people. That's all good that you're actually legitimately aiming at the highest. Like maybe that's how you get to heaven, but or at least how you get to the father, like that's how that is aiming up. Even if you don't know you're aiming up, like you can still be aiming up or like being a good person or trying to be uplifting and encouraging and like a positive vibration vibrational force for like a emotion. You know what I'm saying? Being an authentic self and helping people. My dad told me that I think of C.S. Lewis. He said, hell is a real place. The devil is a real person. That is a like a fire. There's just nobody there. And the idea behind that is that when you if you were to die, go to the gates of heaven, see the gates of heaven. I guess the Bible says that the angels will sort out like Saint Peter's at the gate. And he's like, yes, no, yes, no. And that's tough, because my brain tells me that when you die, you would see God. And the minute that you see God, I don't think anybody is saying you don't exist. I don't think a single person isn't saying, oh, you are, Lord, I think everybody is. And then if that happens, then I'm almost positive that most people will drop to their knees and be very, very respectful of their shitty fucking life. And then in that moment, God would grant you access and heaven. And so the same thing with the guy on the cross and the same thing with almost everybody in the chosen that comes in interaction with Jesus, it's like as soon as you realize, oh, that's, that's God. You don't there's no more hang ups like you. You are like, oh, I want to let go of what I'm doing wrong. I want to follow you. I want to follow you. And so but that's at odds with what Philip Mitchell saying. And then there's a good critique of Philip Mitchell that says that he is to fire and brimstone, to quick to say, y'all aren't getting into heaven, that his standard for what a good Christian is, is, like, almost piously high. And that almost contends with, like what the Pharisees were doing with. Jack in the. Day. Exactly. Yeah. It's like, what's a Pharisee today? It's like really tough to say. I was thinking about that idea, too, because I was thinking like, yeah, if Jesus were to come back. Well, I don't know, because I guess in revelation, just saying that when he comes back, it's over. It's done. The rapture will be about everyone who's like straight or everyone who's got the cut to the past, got the gut check, got the true heart. It's like, oh yeah, yeah, y'all are gone. And now what's gonna take place after y'all are gone is like some fucked up shit. Says me crazy out here. There was this be. She just fallen out of the sky. We got a fucking crazy hydras and these crazy, giant like, demon type sets going on out here. Jesus is coming back. And then it's. It's going down. 100 million. Angels started to go crazy. So whenever that happens, I guess that's that's kind of what Christianity is pointing towards. Like whenever he does come back. But I guess I was thinking about if he were going to come back in regards, not in that finality, but in like to visit today, you know, saying maybe it's like a living testament that's going on right now. And he can like, oh no, this is like a just crazy run. A theory I got because, yeah, if he were to come back, it'd be the same thing that was happening when he first was actually walking around. He would it would just be him. Or maybe he's like, the Spirit of Jesus embodies a human. And like, that person isn't Jesus or God, but he is like Moses. You know, I'm saying maybe we go back to Moses type shit and he's like, actually in communication with Jesus and God and doing like the like calling out the Pharisees and or whatever, like setting the record straight to whatever it should be. Maybe we've gone off the path over the last 2000 years, the same way we got off the path 4000 years ago, and then he had to come back and set the record straight. Maybe he comes back and set the record straight again, in a different sort of manner, without having to have the finality of, like, the rapture gone crazy. And of times. It's not a far fetched idea that he would have to come back and realign us with a proper orientation towards Jesus, that the same way that the Pharisees are like, he critiques them for their obsession with cleanliness and he's like, this is never what it was about. You guys deem people as unworthy of being in the synagogue if they're deemed to be unclean, which is based on a lot of fucking, what's the word for and ambiguous. But just like stuff that doesn't matter. Arbitrary stuff. The arbitrary stuff makes people unclean, and then you don't want them into the synagogue. It's like crazy, bro. That's not even more. Come on. Is more as Jesus's attitude in The Chosen, I think in the Bible to also like when he goes to the temple and it's like a flea market and he's like flipping tables, like, what have you done to like this holy thing that should be here? And so there might be some of that today where we're obsessing over arbitrary quote unquote things. And I think that that I'm willing to say that that's true. One idea that came to my mind is maybe it's like a sliding scale, and it's like being a good person when you don't know that much about Jesus just means like the idea of being a good Samaritan, like someone that you would normally not fuck with, needs some help, and you offer them help because you want to do the right thing. But then, like, maybe the more you know about Jesus, the more that that heart mutilation is important, because it's like, you know, now you know what you should be doing. Are you doing that? Are you making the right choices now that you really know? It's like, okay, now you really know that Jesus is real. You talk to Jesus. It's like, this is different than being a 16 year old church. It's like, now you like, you really know what Jesus wants for your life. How hard are you trying to mutilate your heart now that you like you're fully convinced that means you should care about this stuff. You can't be fully convinced and still live a life of sin. Then you're just at odds with yourself. Yeah, so maybe it's kind of a sliding scale for like how how convinced you are of Jesus points towards how much you should be trying to be a Christian. Yeah, yeah, I feel that. I think Wesley have said something similar to that. It's like God won't. And maybe he uses biblical scripture as reference to like aid in this point that he's trying to make. But he says that, like, God won't condemn you for, like things you don't know necessarily if you legitimately don't know. And you're like a fool in that regard, in that aspect of information. He's like, never get access to it, then. Yeah, you kind of have some sort of deniability, you know, it's like, oh, I literally didn't didn't know the rules. Like I never got introduced or I never, never saw the rulebook or whatever. Don't. But if you know, the rules. Don't live your life as someone who remains ignorant to not have to execute. That's fucking don't willingly stay ignorant. Nuh. I saw a vision of that and it made me sick just now. Oh God, someone who trims their personality around being ignorant enough to not have to do the dirty work. And I'm like, don't do that. Don't become that thing. It's like, if you have access, use the access and then do heart mutilation. It's yeah, yeah, I guess there's a difference between I guess in that specific example, there could be a difference like the same exact situation of I didn't know the information, I didn't read, I did not know I did, I misinterpreted the rules. What is that like in South Park? Let's talk about Bill Belichick getting caught stealing the Dolphins film or something. That's funny. I think they did a riff on Stand and Deliver I think is what it's called though. Yeah, I mean, with the teacher. Trying to figure out where that. Came from. That's funny, but they were. Talking about, in the same exact scenario at the at some level of analysis of I didn't know the rules. So case scenario A, I didn't know the rules, never got a Bible, never like even heard about it. Didn't even know where to look to try and find the truth or the rules or how to be or what. I just kind of. I live in Cambodia. I got a fucking like a internal GPS. I'm following here. I know what feels good. I know what feels bad. I know pain within my own self. I know how I can cause others pain because of that. I don't do that on purpose. I'm trying to be a good person. I help my family, help my neighbor, whatever I. But I don't know the rules. And then there's the other scenario. Scenario B, where you don't know the rules, but, you know, like you have a neighbor that goes to church, you have a Bible, like your grandma has a Bible on her nightstand that she wants you to read, use, like refuse to do it. You know what I'm saying at that point, that you don't know the rules or the same level of analysis, but there's the spirit or a heart thing going on there that makes it a little bit different, a little bit less deniability, you know, a little less negligence. You're right. Yeah. More little more negligence, I guess, you know. Yeah. That's great clarification. You know, I'm saying, yeah, I think we're flushing out a lot of, a lot of what those tough questions are. Good question. Because I have those questions too sometimes. But like I get it for myself. I'm with it. I'm I'm all aboard it. All aboard. But yeah, it's just for the other people. I'm like, oh, this is I guess because the what what brings the why I have that counter. It's just like a my own, I guess, conceptualization of the character of what I classify God to be. It's like, that doesn't make sense to me as far as what I consider God to be. I just think the character of God would be more understanding and bigger if the first thing, and the first thing you got to accept is that you don't know shit. God is bigger than your conceptualization of everything in anything. So he gave you the ability to conceptualize and understand things. Yes, dude, you are fucking spiritually devout. My dad went to seminary for 4 or 5 eight years dude, and he's coming to the same conclusions that you're bringing to me. I hear y'all sit. Y'all have two things you just said or two of the same things my dad just said. The character of God is something that you should lean on. It's like a book is a book, but your father is your father. Do you read what the newspaper said about your dad, or do you know who your dad is? And then the other the other thing that my dad says, too, is that, We don't know shit. You don't know shit. And neither think. You think you do not know what God thinks about, like you or not. Even we're not even close to you think that this is important. That's a point. What's important to God? Don't have shit. To different games. Sorry to interrupt you, but I was like, impressed. I was like, dude, like you didn't even grow up in a church, man. And like, you're at the same forefront of conclusion that fucking theologians are at, dude. You know, like, yeah, bro, it's just so awesome, man. Appreciate a dog. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Because yeah, it's just like a I don't if it doesn't because I've, I've come into my own relationship with. Yeah. There's a develop a relationship with God or like with life itself and like within that life itself you'll find God if you're like able to get to the open to it and look. And then sometimes it's just like your own experience of life is going to be irrefutable to yourself. You can you can try to tell somebody else about it. But like, you know what you know, and you know, when you try to bullshit somebody to make them think that you know, something that you don't know. So you're like, if you are honest with yourself, you know what you know, and you don't really care what other people think about your conceptualization. If you're able to articulate it in a nice way, that helps a lot. That is a skill that people get paid a lot of money to have, articulate stuff, talk and like express ideas. So if you can't express your ideas in a way that people understand, then you can bring God other people. But if you know you have the relationship already, then you don't want to like you don't need to prove it to anyone like you know what's up with yourself. So like but to have that understanding of trying to figure out who this character is and like the, the idea of, yeah, being fair and like the, like the, the the judge and being fair is like kind of what I'm trying to incorporate into his. There's a divine justice that we don't understand, but that is real. There's some sort of balancing harmony effect and cause, cause and effect. This happens. This happens maybe like karma to a degree, a little bit can can fit in that same sort of categorization. But I just think that it's like not fair to have the back to the I don't know, I really don't know the rules like scenario A where like they're, they have a good heart, but they are never introduced to Jesus like the missionaries never get there in time. Like maybe just like something like a tragedy happens and one of them dies, just like they fall off a cliff or on accident, or a storm comes or something happens. Getting hit by a tiger. I don't fucking know. Something happens. And like, that person dies when they're 18 before the missionaries get, the missionaries get, there's like a couple years later or they just miss them. Something happens. I it's like, that's not fair in my mind. You know, if he has a good heart, if he's legitimately acting out that shit and God knows that, like, this person is spreading my kingdom, even like he's he is getting through to God, through Jesus, even though he doesn't even know he's doing it. Because it's just like an an, an actionable embodying of an energy or a spirit and a belief of upward aim. It's like he's actually embodying that should actually about that life. He doesn't know Scripture at all, doesn't even know who Jesus is. He's like living out this. He's acting like Jesus. What? Like, what would Jesus do? You know what I'm saying? It's like, now, what would Jesus say? It's like he would say the words are important for sure, but different language. Maybe he doesn't, maybe can't even speak. But like, he's still. Like, what would Jesus do? And maybe he's doing the things that Jesus would do, but he just happened to die at 19 and he we couldn't get to him in time. So we never knew. Like, I don't think it's fair that he gets condemned now. I'm just like and I accept that, that maybe I'm just fucking wrong and maybe I'm just off. But I get in my mind, my heart, it just feels unfair. And I'm like, that's not how God works. I think divine judge, you. Character of God. We don't know shit. Yeah, my best, my best judgment I could give right now. I would say that both are true. That we have to have the conviction of going to go preach that guy the good word, as if he were going to hell. As if our. Yeah, as if his life depended on it. That I think that's. What the missions do. That's what missionaries are. Yeah. I don't think we can't lean on good people go to heaven like that. That was not a sliding scale. Thing is like when you really are convinced you have to care, like he's going to hell to go try to save those people, that that's the level of conviction that we're supposed to have, even though God is a merciful God. And wouldn't condemn that person to hell. And I think, I think it's possible that both are true. And it's like, does that mean that God lies to us. It's like, I don't think so. But then again you don't know shit. Who knows. Yeah. You don't know. We can't we can't know. What God thinks a lie is and what we think a lie. That's the other thing, right? Yeah, right. It's like, no, it's true, it's true. His. He is lost to hell not knowing Jesus. But I won't condemn him to hell because he doesn't know Jesus. Maybe that's true too. That's my best judgment on that one step back to multiverse theory. Let's go. I have this I don't know I don't fucking know okay. But nobody. Does. My dad's conceptualization of the multiverse really hinges on the fact that he's a computer programmer. So he's like computers don't run infinite simulations. This really looks like a lot of translations between the ways computers work and the way that the world works so similar that I believe that it's a finite number that runs on a hardware that processes a software. And that's why he doesn't believe in infinite multiverses. Got it. Part of he's smarter than me. Eight years of seminary. Most of time, I defer my judgment to his judgment because I don't know, he's smart guy. He's my dad, too. It's a lot of shit going on there. But I think part of the reason that he sees the world that way is because that is his lens. So it looks like a computer to him. Definitely. Yeah. Okay. So you're saying it doesn't look like a computer to me? No. Definitely no, because that's not my lens. It looks more like a game that I need to play my best game, and I need to train hard, and I need to fucking leave it all on the field because that's my lens. My best judgment is that, and this is like this weird intimation intuition that I have in my spirit that. And this could be fucking wrong for sure, but I think there's something about this experience that is hinge worthy. Part of me wants to say that, that the multiverse is just a coping mechanism for the fact that reality is a tough pill to swallow. You get one chance in this life. You write one story and that is all you get, and all of the other shit you could have done is lost and dead to time. To the ether with it. It's a that's a hard pill to fucking swallow. So we tell ourselves, there's another me out there that went to Miami that that went to the University of Texas, that played football. Like we tell ourselves that to cope with it. But what I think is more true than that is that maybe there are other universes out there, other versions of you living life, but I think this one is hinge worthy in the sense where maybe your worst outcomes possible and your best outcomes possible are on a scale that slides with the you that's in the middle, and that you have to try to push your best to better best, and you have to push your lows to lower lows, higher lows. So like if I become very financially astute, I have good business acumen, I practice financial discipline. I learned how money works. The the poorest version of me probably isn't so poor. I think somehow you help that guy get a little more business savvy because the you that's in the middle pushed towards financial literacy. And I think the the version of you that does fitness, it's like maybe the most fucking jacked up monster version of you. It becomes a a bigger, Herculean type of person. The further that you push into fitness on this scale and the most obese, least fit version of you becomes a little more fit because of your decisions here. And I think that were a crux for all of the realities in this reality. And and the reason I think that I can I haven't just tossed that out with the rest of the ideas that come to me is that it kind of mirrors and resembles the Christ like story that Jesus Christ was at the crux of all of humanity, that his decisions and what he ultimately lived out was like accomplishing the mission of being well, he was never going to fail. But like being a perfect person, taking himself to the cross, dying for all of our sins, it's like if we were to be Christ like, we would try to be the perfect person we could be. We would take ourselves to the cross, and we would die for the sins of all of the other versions of us, so that the highs could be higher and the lows could be higher, so that we would get ourselves further away from hell and closer to heaven, and that if there is multiverses out there, there's something about this that is non arbitrary. The multiverse wants you to think that this is arbitrary. It's like, well they're all doing. Yeah, I guess I, I could see how you could incorporate that thought of there's others of me or like use it as a crutch of like maybe and coming to an inability to accept something in this current reality or something bad happens and you're like, well, at least like or maybe in another reality it's not happening or some sort of coping mechanism that you're talking about. But I think you could also just maybe, maybe just have it as a, as, like a thought or like a theory, I guess, because. Yeah. How does it how does it has believing or not believing that change? You're right now anyway. You know what I'm saying? It's almost irrelevant. There's other other universes because you're only in this one, right? It's like I'm almost saying that you need to try to be a messiah for all of the other versions of you that are out there to sacrifice so properly that you save the other versions of you that are out there from hell. And I don't know if that's just a fucking egotistic thing to think, but it's like, why would you try to be Christ like? It's like, why would you ever pursue the messianic journey? It's like, you should be humble enough to know you'll never be that. But it's like pursuing that. I think it's because in this theory, you would be saving the other versions of yourself in that same manner that you would put yourself on the cross for the goodness of all the other versions of you that you can't exist in, embody in. And maybe like the peace of God that's in you is like referencing the fact that this is a crux for all the other multiverse realities, that you can't actually be that thing over there like it's you without the consciousness, it's you without the decision making. It's like a simulated version of you based on what you would do here. And that's that's what if I believe in multiverse theory. That's kind of the way I believe in it, because I don't think that this is an arbitrary life. I don't think that because if there's a infinite other versions of it, what the fuck? Doesn't matter that you do here. But it does matter what you do here. This is the only one that matters in right. As far as you're concerned. That's what I'm trying to say. That's like. That's the thing. Like the multiverse isn't a cop out for anything. Nuh. It'd be better to not believe in it then to cop out on it. Yeah. Because I guess I'm I'm open and willing to accept it. And I'm also open, willing to accept that it won't change anything in like this, I guess. How could it really? Where just because you have to live today, you got today, and then you go to sleep and you got tomorrow, and that's the cycle you repeat until you die. This is what's going on here. And that was yesterday, the day that you just got out of like that's the three day span that we have here. That's it. We got yesterday today, tomorrow. So like that's it for the rest of your life regardless of whatever. Universe you're in. Yeah. Whatever decisions you make. Yeah. And yesterday goes all the way to your birth. And tomorrow goes all the way to the future. Yeah, it's like that now is the always now. Yeah. So there's that. Having a multiple an infinite multiverse. Like I'm open to it. Like, why the fuck not? Because it's not going to change, I guess. I think it's a that was a question. How would it even influence today, maybe being open to the idea of infinite possibilities and being able to attune yourself to what possibility might be best for you right now, in this moment. But you don't need multiverses. I think about that isn't necessarily. That's just like thinking about what's your ideal outcome for your life here. Yeah, you only get. One as you perceive one that could be infinite, but it doesn't really even matter how. I guess I'm trying to figure out how the multiverse even plays into people's like belief system. I would say that like, there's a scientist in me that says, like, it doesn't say gravity doesn't play into a belief system. Yeah, not at all. It's like, I just know that if I jump, I'm going to come back down. Exactly. It's like, same thing with multiverse. It's like it's happening, but it doesn't matter. Yeah. It's just a constraint of what's cool. It's not even a constraint. It's just a reality. Gravity is an constraint. It's a reality. It's like it is what it is. But you still have to go to fucking work today. Yep. And so yeah, maybe this is the thing about maybe the messianic ideal isn't to go save all these billion of the Matthew's, it's to save this one. Yes, save this one from hell. To get this guy to have a good life. And that actually brings more true than that to me. Trying to use multiverse theory to justify why I should go hard today. So you don't need to justify that. So I'm saying let's just go hard. Yeah, you got to day. That's it. Maybe. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe there's imagining the most ideal version of yourself in the least ideal version. I don't know, I don't I'm not sure how that, but do you know how like it affects your dad's belief system here? Or he comes into that belief or that thought, an openness to that idea into his, like, spirituality? I guess, because I'll say he's a technical computer science background as well. Yeah. Did my dad spirituality is, I wouldn't want to speak on it. I don't even sometimes he doesn't even. It's just tough because like being in the church, you got to say certain things at certain times where people think that you're not like a religious person. And I'm not saying that my dad has, like, heretical beliefs, but like his conceptual ization of our spirituality, one of the main axioms is, we don't know shit, dude. It's like, so to even go out on a ledge and say, you know, anything is pretty preposterous. Pretty bold. Yeah. But one definitely caveat to take away that my dad thinks, is that you should think about that when you're making major life choices is that you're spawning 4 or 5 other realities right now. There's there's legitimate possibilities for your life. They're about to branch out. There's gonna be a reality where you did do it, didn't do it, did it this way? I did it that way. And you're going to have to live in one of those realities. And so you should contend with that when making that major life decision choice. So like of all the realities I'm creating, which one do I really want to live in? And that's a hard thing to think about because you can't really project all of those realities forward. Can't see exactly what, yeah, how they're going to play out. You don't know. But you should try to take the wisdom around you from the people that know more than you do and all of your life experiences from your own wisdom. And then and then also like the Holy Spirit inside of you, pushing you in a direction and try to formulate a good choice for yourself. And I think that's actually a tangible thing that can help you. But yeah, I don't know as far as what my dad thinks about like the how the multiverse, points you or orients you in your spirituality. I don't think that he knows either. Yeah. It's a whole thing. Yeah. You're just trying our best to do, to be the person that we are, to be the person that we're called to be. And sometimes I think of my dad's and my dad isn't as fire and brimstone as Philip Anthony Mitchell for sure. My dad was like yeah nobody likes to get yelled at you know what I'm saying. Like that's like pointing that are part of the point in the New Testament. Yeah, exactly. The New covenant. Exactly. And I feel that too, like when I'm really weighing out his influence on my life, sometimes it's the same thing as, it's the Michael Jordan spirit that people that is grating about, that spirit that people don't like. If I embody too much of that energy, I keep the standard too high, I'm too exclusive and too elitist, and I condemn poor behavior. It's like there's something about that that isn't right. But Philip Anthony Mitchell. At least at least there's something about that that is quick and easy to become imbalanced. Yes. It's too it's too hard to to wield properly for forever. Dude, I don't want to critique him, but he's one of his things that he's like, there's, when I get to heaven, there's going to be like a following of people that got to heaven with me because we held the standards so high, and then we're going to get there and we're going to party. And a lot of people will thank me. And I'm not saying that to say I'm the shit. I'm saying that to say that this is fucking matters. It matters. And when we get there, you will thank me for being this fire and brimstone just like Michael Jordan. Yeah, well, we're a whole nother chip. You're going to be thankful. The champagne in the locker room, dog. Exactly. Having a good time? Yeah. Thank God I punch Michael Jordan in the face. Yeah, pushed him and he punched me back in the face with Steve Kerr. Yeah. And that's. I don't think it's right. My my life experience tells me that that's not the proper mode of behavior. That's not the proper energy, that maybe that's the fucking talking on the rim of some of your cocktails. But that's not you don't eat the tahini for for the meal bowl for. It's fucking time. Though. That'll make you sick so fast. So so the truth. You have to be determined. Who knows? I'm down for multiverse theory. I'm here. For it. You have any other good questions for me? Sign off. No. That was. That's pretty much all I was contending with with the with the Wesley Huff stuff. Nice. And, like where I'm. Where I'm been wrestling. Yeah. You said you wanted to get in there. I just recalled you said you were like, we'll talk about what I have, but we got the fucking. We want to talk about it. Yeah, just try to. Get in there a little bit. But I was often just kicking that around. But now. Yeah, I think that was that was good. Right. It's all I wanted to talk about. Another Jesus pod. Because yeah I don't know I don't know. Yeah. And we just. Like the Jesus part to man. The rhetorical. This is, this is what it is, man. We just talk about spirituality, belief, life, death, life after death. No, no and shit. Don't a verse to try to make do with what we got. We just know that we're here. You got something to do? There is a right next move that you can make. Everything's. I don't believe in that sort of preordained, predetermined, optimum outcome of life for you. But there's also your free will that you have to contend with and try to align those two things so you right where you need to be, but you're always maxing out your free will to try to maximize the outcome they are in. So regardless of whatever multiverse, whatever universe that you're in, Jordan Peterson talks about it in in his in his lectures, the The Maps of meaning personality lectures on YouTube. But you're always regardless of whatever universe you're in, you're always in a situation that's meta, metaphysically, abstractly, the same situation all the time. Like you're in a current state of understanding our current place. And there's like a place you're trying to get to, you can ascend to, and there's a place that you can, like fall that you've fallen from. And it's like. It's like just like the progression of story. It's like your current narrative. What led up to this narrative, where you're trying to go like that's where you are always, no matter what. And to try to maximize that story, to have the best outcome. That's what we're trying to do here. Yeah. Torquemada. Fuck. Armada. Fuck Armada I love it, absolutely love it NSA love y'all. Signing out for today. Stay tuned. More episodes coming. Stay hard, stay hard. Stay behind for volume. All right. Yeah. Hell, yes. Love y'all. See you on the pill. Flips over. Have a great life. I'll see you soon. Deuces.