Standing on BUSINESS | Favorite CEO's, Super Bowl Halftime & Remembering Names | The MJ38 Show #119

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119. We're in. Yeah. Talking about a question I legit networking moment I had most of the time network is bullshit. But this is the legit moment of networking. And, this guy asked me at one point, who are like, your two favorite CEOs that you follow right now. And I was like, oh, that's such a LinkedIn kind of question. You know, like, I'm not I don't usually have my business hat on like that. And so I was a little bit like, I can't just like I gotta like hesitate and make sure I make a nice move right here. So I don't lose credibility in this moment. Okay. Because I did sell myself pretty heavy to get into this conversation with this guy. And so I think for a second, I wish I would've thought of, the guy one, Jensen was the, CEO for Nvidia. Nvidia? Yeah. I try to make sure that that's his name. John Jensen. Yeah. It's actually one Johan. No, it's, Jensen. Okay. Found it. Jensen. Huang. Wish I would have said that guy because he's from Nvidia. I don't follow him enough. That guy is amazing. He has a Joe Rogan episode. Garyvee. Yes, that's what I said. Let's go. Do you feel me, dawg? Let me go. Come on. Bucks. So then, the that's what comes to mind is garyvee. And then he's like, Who's Gary Vee? And then I'm like, on one hand, if you don't know who Gary Vee is, this conversation changes my mind because I feel like, you know, what's culturally going on here, you know? But then so then I just sort of explaining who he is, and then I'm like. Like for instance, okay, another person I follow, I guess you could call the CEO is like Pat McAfee and then explain Pat McAfee come up. And then I explain how at one point he got with Gary Vee to see how they could scale his business in a, in a better way. And this is the point where he's like between 100,000 views and like a million views, probably back and forth in that range. And they had a year long giveaway where the giveaway was crazy, ridiculous prizes in the giveaway, like Super Bowl tickets, NHL tickets, tickets to the hottest play on Broadway, front row seats for this. And, you would pay like your 10 or $20 to get premium membership. And with that, you would get an entry into this, crazy lottery. They were going to do. And then they got all these people to, like, give them prizes more or less for ad exposure while they were running their own ad campaign for themselves. And that was like a perfect thing. And it ended up working. And that's kind of when they crossed the threshold into being viral, like all the time. And then that they got on ESPN pretty shortly after that. From like the timeline of listen to the podcast so that I'm like, so that's what Gary Vee does is like he goes to companies and does that kind of thing for people. And then at that point he was like, so mostly scalability. Like, yeah, okay, I get it. Like the ability to scale yourself because you can scale. It'd be it'd be awesome to be Gary Vee in rooms because you could help anybody scale, but then you could also Pat McAfee yourself. And I was like, yes. And then, yeah, he wants to have coffee later this week and just see if we can, like, work on understanding scalability better or like, you know, anyways, we can optimize what we're doing and stuff like that. It's like nice bro. I was cool. Like he was super chill. He was like, yeah, we're gonna hang out with super cool if you want to come by and like just hang out and stuff. I was like, oh, I got plans. But that was cool. The real question is, who are the two CEOs that you follow the most or you're most interested in? You're learning from, I guess, like we mean like CEOs, like chief officers, he said. CEO in the sense of like a person that runs a company, like you're a person that runs a company, you know, and this Joe Rogan Run is like company podcast. That's what I'm saying. Like, yeah, he does work. It certainly does. And he also does other things like this on comedy. Like for himself, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's see it of ourselves. Like, what are you doing. Yeah, I don't know. Definitely. Whenever you're talking, Alex or Mosey came to mind. Okay. You know, and he's big and he's crazy dog. He's he's into that world for sure. Garyvee. Yeah. Everyone. I guess in one sense it felt like he was asking me like, who are you, a student of Dawn Peterson. Jesus Christ, there's only one of you. There's only one teacher. Truly. Yeah, I'm with you. I was just reading that today. I think Jordan gets pretty close to some of the expression. Yes. Student of. And I brought up Jordan Peterson in the conversation. Actually, now that I was man, he's the man, man. I'm like, yeah, I want to present this idea to you. But it makes more sense if you're like Jordan Peterson flow. And he's like, that's one of my guys. And I was like, okay. Yeah. So like we constantly exist in the carcass of our dead father. Like that's just the structure in which we are birthed into. That's unavoidable. You know? And then he was like, oh, he's talking that talk, George. This is that's okay. I'm picking up on that. I'm smelling, which is stubborn. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, that was that's what I'm saying. I felt like a true networking connection. And he could be just like a manipulative person. He was like, yeah, Jordan Peterson okay, I get Gary Vee and Pat McAfee. When you explain it to me, that's what something like seemed. So what did he say? Have a two CEOs, I guess. I was, I was pitching him like, hey, man, do you have any like, ideas for our business or like, what is maybe, to optimize what we're doing? And then he was like. And then led me and down like, that was his line of questioning. So we kept going down that one. I didn't really have time to, like, revert and come back and ask him who he was following. And, yeah, Joe Rogan told us about that dog. Just talking, doing what you want to do. Yeah. It's also it's like, how does Joe Rogan run his business? He doesn't like, put that on Instagram, you know what I'm saying. So it's like, do you mean follow like a like a profile? Yeah. If he's pretty sick because he does like explain things to you, you know, or mosey explains things to you. So those are kind of like Auto Joe have any books out now. But that book's going to be dope, though, dude, right? I don't think so. Does he? No, I don't I wouldn't even know about it, I think so I think we're at that point where we would definitely know about it. But did he's going to definitely narrate his own book because of how much he recommended to other people his own audiobook. Okay. And then God forbid, the day when we don't have Joe anymore, we'll always have that book. And that's kind of fire that just made my heart feel better, because I get so sad thinking about these people not being in my life anymore. One day. But Joe's a man, so, yeah, I'm with you in that sense. Where it's following is an interpretable word. Sometimes I get asked these questions in the moment and then you know, you like you think of better answers later when you're not in the moment like you have ever been asked the question in an interview and you didn't answer like exactly how you wish you had answered, I'm sure. Probably another thing like six out of mind, but you know. Yeah, I'm with you. Yeah. I think there's always situations where you're like, oh, like I said that better. I wish I would have said this. Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah. There's two moments of interviews that stick out of my mind. One was just like at McMurry, they're interviewing me for a scholarship and like, I don't know why, but I like crash the interview. And at the end, though. Yeah. You have any other questions? And I was like, oh, no. They said something like, you know, oh, we also just want to mention that our teachers are like of all religions, like, this is a methodist university, and we know your, dad's a methodist pastor, but, like, your teachers are going to be not necessarily like people who go to the Methodist church. Like, there's there's a lot of diversity in our teaching staff. And we kind of like that because you get different perspectives while you're here in college. And I was like, oh yeah, that's great. As long as you guys don't have any Baptist teaching anything. Like, I was just like, I figured it was just a joke about, like, when, like, duh, like that is bothering me. But then too, like, like a rivalry, you know, like a hotel rivalry. I was, you know, over the. So. Yeah. From a small town football town, you know, so fucking it was. I thought it would be funny. I wanted to show some personality and they did not like me after that. I was just a personality, dude, I think. I think there was no from my interview that was like, everything was perfect except final comments. And I was just like, yo, like bro. But also, maybe that's it. I mean, that's colleges for you, you know what I'm saying? Cheating is like, it's too open, like. That's what I learned. Like. An important thing. Oh, shit. Yeah, that that was not a that didn't hit. The crowd hated that one. Oh, God. Oh, God. No, you got it, dude. Yeah, it was because I do the interview in grade two. I was loose, you know, I was miss, so. Yeah, that was one thing where I realized, like, when you get the year, don't fucking shut the fuck up. That's like an important business thing you supposed to learn is when you get to stop talking. I learned that one that day. Live in L.A., live, and then you learn. Another one was, someone asked me, how do you get it? How do you like in the context of interviews, being short, how do you get a good interview right. This is your best to speak the truth. Well, let's say you're the interviewer and you got to make a good read on the situation. How do you get that right in that short amount of time? How do you make a good read on someone that fast? I guess it's, ideally what a combination of your vibe, like the energy in the moment, but then also maybe having a structure because we would have interviews and there was a couple questions that, like, I would make sure to ask me every time so we can have like, what do we bare minute bare minimum necessities. You need to talk about and see if there's any like just naturally occurring roadblocks. And then within that process we get a vibe, you know, say, okay, well yes, we're going to share a moment together. Yeah. And then we will know. Yeah. So I have I know that what I know might not be true anyway, but I'm still going to keep on going, baby. I'm still gonna keep on going baby. Yeah. No further questions. We've seen enough. We seen in. Let's hire the Scotland spot. Yeah dude that's I, I agree with your sentiment so much. The vibe is really the thing. But then I really like in the, in the interview I'm like, I can't survive. I can't be like, you got to get a vibe on a man. Like I thought something I had to bring it down to. It's something more tangible. Right. And these, these. But it was hard. Like, I definitely stumbled and like, I feel like you won't find even maybe like, laugh too hard at something that wasn't funny, like, just a little bit, you know what I'm saying? Like, I was uncomfortable. Damn right. And like, just thinking back on it, like I didn't have the answer to the question, but I said something along the lines of, you know, I'm trying to, I guess I want to find out about their competency. And if I can glean that from the interview, that's great. If I can ask them questions and they know, like, relatively in-depth, what they're talking about. But any one thing that makes me feel good about knowing that they could do that with other things if we taught them, we could have, so we could come up with set questions. I agree with that. If we want to get like, you know, we want the same five questions for everybody. And then we kind of look for these answers and that they kind of meet that criteria. It's an automatic yes. Unless like subjective. If you'd like. And then and yeah it's just like the and then I'm trying to be like, I like I feel it though, you know, like I can feel if they're genuine or what's going on there, but then I'm trying to stay away from feelings and I think I'm like, And when you get it right, it's always really good. And then if you get it wrong, it's usually easily fixable. And so I think, you know, I can kind of trust my instincts on that, too. But I think a better answer would have been is, you know, I like to ask people like, what do you know about what do you know? Well, that's actually part two. You know, part one is like, do you what's your hello. How are you doing? It's nice to meet you. Do you shake my hand? Do you sit down? Do you feel like a person? That's like step one when I talk, is it like a respectful conversation? Because if you can do that with me, then you can do that with other people. I got to find that out. First of all, if that goes well then part two is I'm like, yeah, tell me what you know about. And if they're like, I know about grapes. And I'm like, oh cool, cool, cool. Tell me something like sophisticated about grapes. And if they can't make that jump right there, I'm like, okay, they're probably lying, you know, like that's just that's that's an easy one for some bars. Yeah. I'm like, you're here because you're at okay, let me see some bars. Like I got to, you know, or like send me this dish, okay? You're like a server. You know how to serve. You know, I'm saying, sell me this thing. Like, go ahead and use your imagination. Use your past. Okay. But, like, do the give you the moment. Yeah, yeah. And then also, how well do they handle that. Like if they're like, okay. Yeah, sure. Sorry I'm a little nervous, but, I'm like, okay, cool. That's like a genuine reaction. We're having authenticity. I'm into that. Those things make me feel good, you know what I'm saying? And then also. But it's funny, but someone's like. Like, I can picture our friend Connor. We McKenna shout out calm. We kind of feels it's the podcast. I'm not going to buy this story. He'll get it done. Definitely. Tell me those I know all about beef. And then just a couple about beef. And it's like, Yeah. Cut it a butcher. Yeah. Cow move. Moo, moo. Yeah. It's to the point where you're like, okay, like you're going to have to move the moment on from him. So yeah, like I want to see that, you know, but I think, those are you can gather two things really quick. There are like someone that has in-depth knowledge about anything. Are they honest about what they're doing? And do they have social interaction skills. And I'm like, if you check, check, check, check. For the most part I'm like, give them a shot. You know what I'm saying? What the shot at that point, I mean, anything else, you know? Yeah, we'll find out. We never find out. You never know. But those are kind of what constitutes how I get the vibe. I'm like, where are you? Cool with me? Where are you? Chill. That's like, where are you? Like, real like, can you spare bars? Okay. Yeah. And if you do all those things, I'm like, that guy was A55 check passed. I think he's good. I think he's good. Yeah. Thanks folks. Yeah there's this was coming from the question of interviewing people or coming up the doors. How openly was like it when you it's important to get that interview right. And when you get it right it's so beneficial. You know like I was trying to also be like I'm on the inside with you guys. I know what that feeling feels like, you know? And then the guy, then the other guy who's, like, more skeptical of me is like, you know. Yeah, I agree with you, but it's like a hard thing that's such an esoteric thing. Like, how do you how do you get an interview, right? Or what? How do you know when you've gotten it right? And I was just like, that is a question that's a good one. And then, yeah, it was hard not to just say the vibe, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah, yeah I do. Yeah. There's this new thing that's been presented to me that's like, sometimes I get asked a question in the moment and I'm like, damn, that's a really good question that I'm probably not going to like, do justice to right now. And then you got to take like a long, hot shower and you're just like sitting there thinking about the question, like, how do I follow? What do you mean to follow? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like there's only one teacher who doesn't like to do the job, but Christ, yeah, yeah. All roads lead to heaven. They've. I've done his point back there. Yeah. Life is that complicated. It's so so deep. I like asking questions to the podcast people to give them something to think about on the car. Think about it, think about it. Yesterday and Super Bowl just happened. Hawks congrats. Crushed them people bank of money people losing money. We were talking about the idea of maybe like the knowing the person who's making the Gatorade because people would be betting on that. You know, first of all, yeah, you can bet on how long the national anthem is. Yeah, you could bet you on the coin flip color later in the first song, the Super Bowl halftime. Yeah, yeah, that's pretty cool. That's the generic stuff. But that's fun. You know, give everybody a $10 play card for underdog. Don't make your parlay for these five events. It's like you have opportunity to win $150 if you get them. All right. Come on. That'd be fun. Come on. Game was getting introduced into our society, unfortunately. Maybe I should be more against that seeing super integrated. It's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Like, oh, the kids are like, let me get my fucking bets in. Like, even like, especially 18, 19, 20 year olds are doing this. Vegas is moving online, you know. So and it really is. It really is. It's funny because Vegas is the year of the Vegas. They're clearly corrupt right? I can neither confirm nor deny these allegations. I think that's what you said. But regardless, cinema love I don't know anything. If there's like if gambling is immoral and then we're going to be a force that brought immorality into our lives, it would probably be Las Vegas is a likely suspect. You know, that does make sense to me and have. But you get it. So yeah, that's the thing that's like, I don't want to see our society move towards immorality. That's definitely like the antithesis of Jesus's teachings. Yeah, that's yeah, it's kind of been a pattern. Repeated throughout time, I think. It's biblical. Yeah. It's biblical. It's cool. Thousands of years, the story never ends like, well, no, that's not how it's going to be like. It's never like everyone just dies. I'm like, no, wait, that does happen in like, a lot of places. So yeah, it could, but I guess, yeah, there's a lot of promise that that's not going to happen again in the Bible too, and that the next time things are going to happen for the better. Next time stuff gets real, gods coming down to earth like, whoa. I wonder who's gonna get to see it. It's gonna be like a person. Maybe. Yeah, I think so. Right. That's cool. Coming in on a horse or. No, I'm. That's a revelation. I'm not right. Yeah, yeah, it's it's too much. It's too much. But but is something worth getting into for. Yeah. I forget exactly how it comes to revelation, but it's going to be brutal like crazy. So crazy shit. That'd be really nuts. I don't get to see it, I don't, I get to see it. Yeah, yeah. I don't not believe in the Bible by any means, but it's going to be so weird when life turns into, like, Jesus's version of Lord of the rings for like, revelation times, you know, if you like. Yeah, there's gonna, like a war going on, I guess. Right? Like a Game of Thrones type war between like, angels and demons. Is that what's going on here? Something beyond comprehension, for sure is going to be happening. That would be like the craziest EMT experience. Yeah, yeah. Okay. That's a much better way to put it. Sometimes I think we're all on little cell pods sleeping somewhere like in the matrix having like a, an inner dream a god dream or something. You know mostly because I had a dream one time where that's what was going on. It's like I have a reference point for that. But just the idea of like there's a, there's an outside dimension of, like our understanding, you know? Yeah, yeah, I might as well just be in a pod sleeping as well, dude. Yeah, yeah. Do your best to speak the truth. And it's all a dream, you know, be blameless. I think that's, like, one of the most powerful pieces of scripture. It's like, direct instructions. There's a way to, like, not, you know, to do to do right and kill everything. Like, you can do the right thing and, like, things can go well for you. It's like, that's possible. It's a great story. Did you predict the Super Bowl going the way that it went? Speaking of stories. Yeah, a little bit. Really? Yeah. I was like, oh, like the Patriots I don't I don't know that that bad. Yeah. But I thought the spread was about right. You know maybe like three and a half, two and a half. I was like, well okay. And with the hops that'd be hockey. Key. Okay. Two. No. Let's go. Yeah. That is question this question the direct me. It looks like a little boy, you know, you see that? Oh, like I don't want I don't like the kid too much. Oh, but I don't. I'm barely not a little boy myself over here. But this dude, he just looks so young. He just looks so young. How old is he? Like 23. 24. Gotta be man. Like, you know, he's a sophomore. Is that what's going on there? Yeah, I think sophomore, third year at the most time. It is. Yeah. First couple seasons for sure. Three max. None of these teams were this 23rd day of the year. Yeah. It's kid. And he just like really young yesterday. He looks a little bit like Gronkowski in these pictures. But that's not from the Super Bowl itself. But yeah that's one thing I was thinking for sure I'm like do they had this kid in here playing for a freaking Super Bowl. Like Darnold's. Not that much older, but this guy's like barely not a high schooler, you know, legit like your 18 year old version of yourself being in a Super Bowl like I could. That's that. It's like beyond you, you know? Yeah. Like, hold on there going crazy. There we go. Nuts. Their defense is going bananas. In which. Did you see the, Marshawn Lynch commercial at the end of the Super Bowl? I don't think so. It was like maybe like three minutes after they, like, had cut away from the MVP announcement. It's so it's like or maybe like a minute and a half because it's like the second or third commercial. No. It was just like Marshawn Lynch like with coffee. And he was just talking about he was spin bars about when you got to grind and they got to press you down and then something about and he's like, but then you take that's it. It's like more or less. And this is like not the nothing taste as good as when you get you look back and, the confetti falls like it's green and blue confetti. And then the next it flips over to a news screen where it's like, it says something dramatic, like, Sour taste. Sweet. And it was like an espresso that he was drinking. And then it was like, go hawks! And it was pretty much like a revenge game for the Seattle Patriots when Malcolm Butler got that interception. But I just thought that commercial was crazy because it was like Marshawn Lynch was like talking to mess. And it was like a Nike Pay commercial and just being like, yeah, even though I wasn't there, my team still still got revenge on y'all. And now like, feels good, taste good. Oh, I hope you like that. And then I just thought that was that was a crazy commercial. I don't think that would have aired if they would have lost. There's probably like a Nike commercial with someone from the Patriots, like, you know what I'm saying? Do it. So they had to. Yeah. Same way they had both colors of the confetti over, you know in the stadium. Yeah. Right. But I guess yeah Nike probably just bought that ad spot and made two commercials because at the end it was like a Nike commercial. But it was weird because he was drinking espresso. So I thought it was an espresso commercial. Then I'm like, wait, it's a Seattle commercial? I'm like, but it's a Nike commercial. Like they got like, yeah, it was crazy, but it was a good one. That was one of my favorite commercials of the whole Super Bowl was just Marshawn Lynch. Like he was spinning bars about like coffee grounds and like their comeback and like how revenge is bittersweet till you take that sip and realize sour, sweet. Nothing like getting your leg back as a confetti. I was like, yo, what is happening right now? I feel like the meta, like I'm hanging out with Marshawn Lynch for a second. It was cool. That was a good one. Got him, got him. Were there any commercials that you absolutely, absolutely liked? No, I really I particularly like I remember I was just chilling. They were hanging out with the fans in some and sheesh, watching the game most of the halftime show. Yeah that was kind of gas, dude. Did you didn't watch the, but I see like the very end of the game. Really. That's where they got that pick six. No. What did they call it with the alternative halftime performance from Turning Point? No, I saw that they had kid Rock. I was like, why didn't you like Ran Brandon Lake or Forest Frank, what are you doing? That's a good question. Have been dope. That's a great question. I don't know if Turning point a turning point had Brandon Lake at the end of it. I never like the big conspiracy is that they have like, Israeli connections and money. And so I don't know if they want forest, Frank or Brandon Lake be in the. Yeah. It's also less controversial to have my name is kid. Your kid Rock goes crazy. He's probably a great concert, but it was not as great as Bad Bunny is. What I'm getting around to this. That was gas. I thought that was cool. Yeah. No dress that doesn't wear dress. The beat, the allegations. We love to see it. Had two guys grinding for like five seconds. But, you know, there wasn't this mess. Like, like transgender technology behind what I saw there. You know, no guys on dresses telling me to do things like, I like. Cool, cool. I'm into that. Schrager the music suite that's what like for a dancer okay for chilling. There was a ton of ass I got a lot I want to ask the first 10s of that performance was just like America getting a ton of ass. You had to think about all these children out there. You know, kids, the Super Bowl, four years old, Grandma Janet Jackson. It's like, you know, stuff happens. Grace are probably leaning towards their morality, you know, but I yeah, I didn't see too much. We'll we'll see what happens after this. People will be watching stuff. Give us some time to analyze and theorize about the information that we're giving and seeing. Okay. We're going to dig into this video or the video of him, the performance itself. But I didn't see like any satanic or. Yeah, like. Anything just crazy. No, no. No, not at all. And that could have been bad. But he's doing, you know, like, he could be like a dude who was like, no, I'm not trying to do stuff. You know, I'm saying I think at the end he said, what you said at work, I said, no, no. Yeah, maybe I don't know. Yeah. At the end he said, in Spanish, like, I believe in you. It's like you have more power than you think. Like you shouldn't believe in yourself to. And, that was like, what his sign off message was more or less to America. And I was like, yeah, it's pretty far. You. Let's go. That's a nice message. Lee. Lee, the kids with, you know. So I don't I don't know if I dislike that money and that sense of like, is he one of those kind of celebrities? You know, I've seen celebs great. I don't know anything he says in any of his songs. So you can't really make a judgment based on his message. I was like, well, what about that? It was great. It's cool. Yeah, it wasn't that bad. I wasn't like, I don't know what to expect, you know? So like, we'll see what happens. I think if you're a fan of hits, that was like a fire performance. Yeah. Like that was tell the stories. Yeah. Looks like is cultural. Heritage you know said. Yeah I don't know I, I was like almost ready to shit on it when I started watching it like the halftime show. I'm like, I what the fuck you got to give me? Come on. Exactly, exactly. No, but it's gas from immediately. Okay. Yeah, I like it as I but yeah, the I, I think the performance had more views in the Super Bowl. And then I think there was like 500 million on the performance I guess, which was on Apple. Apple TV. Okay. That's a weird demographic. How did you watch it? We had through Peacock. Yeah, I think Steve's watching on Peacock too, but Apple TV is saying it was the its own app. I think so, Okay. Anyways. Yeah, I think there was like 5 million for the turning point USA. Oh, and then like 500 million for the Bad Bunny apple Halftime show. And then I think there was I think I said the actual game by like over 150 million. Yeah. I don't even like the take. What's the take? We need American performers at the Super Bowl. We need the English performance. Like what? No, no I don't, I'm okay. I'm. I'm cool. Bourbon is cool. Person of object, bro. As the interviewer. Yeah. How do you ever determine anybody was worthy? I look for a good message, you know, trying to find some kind of morality piece. Yeah, but at the very end, like, yeah, there wasn't anything crazy then. It's just like, believe in yourself. I was like, oh, nice, nice, I guess, I guess I was in here for, but yeah, go international. More international games than ever in the NFL. It's huge. Super Bowl halftime. You can bet on the first song. You know that's crazy. But yeah it's so integrated. You feel everything. The betting is out of hand bro I'm making way I'm betting on everything so accessible and then so common. It's out of hand, bro. It's like war was happening, bro. It's out of hand, bro. It's out of hand. But then I had their hand double down all the hand. Winner! Bang! Oh, no. Fuck. Most of the time again. Like that's how it goes. You never know sometimes. But sometimes you know sometimes I know what you mean. Tony. On the peyote. I definitely know what. Overwhelmed by the feeling of truth, like I feel. I know this has gone through. And then you're honestly level with yourself right. Gaslighting gassing up yourself. Is there a way you're manipulating your feelings. You're like no I really feel it. I'm like, do you really feel it? That's my self. These questions after that check that, check that shit. But even so, even like the idea that the idea of one for the money where he like is so good at making picks they like makes it his whole life, but then he, like goes cold. Then his life like falls apart and like the lives of the people that he was helping falls apart. And it's just like, oh, that's such like a real thing there, you know? Yeah. I don't know that, you know, anything about anything. That's true. What is gambling. But, but yeah, the think, I think you were hitting on it was the idea that there might be a force out there that is trying to leak immorality into our culture, into our way of doing things. It's like, that's the opposite of what supposed to be going on here. Oh, what could be going on here? If we all, like, I can do our best locked in lock in this hard stay on. What? But it is hard. It's a whole thing. Is too much, yo, that's what it is. That's awesome. That was so good. You, You never had a bridge of that before? No. Was the new look. Is that new set? Oh, shit. Novel. This is no, he just can't do conclusion. Life. Yeah, yeah. You're right, you're right. Right. So we need each other. We need community to watch. Too much for us to handle individually. Life is too hard. Life is ours. It's. Yeah yeah yeah. That's also awesome. Yeah. One experience. You know, figure out a way to maximize your sacrifice of energy towards whatever spirit that give you the proper story. It's a yeah. It's just like, yeah, that kind of boils down to do your best, if you could truly believe it. But also it's like, you know, it's hard to always do your best too much. Yes, it's too much. It's simply too much. It's like also do your best means like, you know, it's like, well, just do your best. You say like, that's well have had. Is. Yeah. So. So does like me like data. Well I'll tell you what does that ls it's just like you can say the lifestyle esthetic lives. But you could because you can say the good life. I say, yeah, you could say like a little. Yes, yes, but you can never slightly glide. Yes. You know, say anything that is a separate in factors. God. Yes. I said whatever that is. It's like there's power in Jesus name. It's like it's much when you're fat. When I was fasting, when I fast for lent, I have like a different I know I'm fasting for Jesus. Like, I know I'm doing it for him and for him. And that's like my reference point when it gets hard and those are easier. Those are way easier than just doing one where you don't, like, do it through Jesus, who's like, oh, I'm trying to fast. It's like Jesus, like changes the equation. You know? And then it's like, yeah, you know, my pastor said, Jesus changes the equation. Like, I can hear a pastor saying that, but like, it's it's I felt it like literally the two different, different fasting times. I'm like, oh, yeah. Like that's the missing piece is, doing it through Christ. It's like, because, yeah, it's not you. It's too much for you. No. Yeah. You could tap into the power. Oh. Yeah. That's awesome. It's awesome. Let it flow through you. Helps when in us living to be the spirit. Yeah, yeah. It's in. You like to activate that thing? Yeah. We hide from God like we put on clothes because we don't want to be naked with God. And I think that's sometimes like a straight up metaphor for the way that we feel about, like the way we're living our life day to day, like to just like, try to to have that open relationship with God where, like, you're good with your girlfriend, you know, and she's like mad at you versus like when she's it's like everything's good. It's like way more fun that I call her when everything's like, good. But then if you perceive that your girlfriend will now take you back to Christ or God, it's like, if you perceive that God would be upset with you, then it's hard to just like, call him and just have like that good conversation because we're like ashamed and embarrassed and stuff like that. Like, that's why, like, be blameless is so nice because it's like a easy way to just, like, not have shame and guilt, but you can't have shame and guilt and still call the God like he still wants you to. Like a lot of the stories are like, please come back home, you know, still call on me and you know I'll be there for you. I'm always there for you. Yeah, if you have to run away, you know? Said. But we choose to sometimes. And it's a problem, something some people choose to for real. And then it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa. That's. Yeah, basically more immorality leaking into the thing that's coming into the story here. Okay? It's chaos and sin. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a force like gravity. It's a force. It's almost like part of what's going on here innately. It's also like represented by a group. Sometimes it seems like. Yeah. There's a temptation. There's always the temptation the like the to lie. And so it's all the truth. All right. You know run your run your civilization based on truth or run it based on like whatever you like lies. Yeah. There's a temptation always. That's Yeah. You were put on a ideally run our systems on the truth. And our systems include, like the way the world or nations, you know, say. Oh, yeah. One point that Katt Williams made was, like, yeah, people want, Like, if you're gonna be tempted to do it the wrong way, the only way that you could be tempted is if there's like a benefit. And so like you have to remember that, like when people are making these decisions like they're, they're going for a presumed benefit or like when, if these people would have migrated to these lands or set up on the water so consistently, it's like the reason that it did it is because there was like a benefit to doing that. So then you can think it in terms of like, like that was just like a term that kind of stuck in my mind is like, that is what people sometimes that'll affect your rationale, as if there's a benefit received. And then you could take like a short term benefit, something to fix your now and then. There's a lot of pressure to do that if you're like, especially an impoverished community with lower opportunities. So yeah, I need I need some benefit right now. And I think that so when we're talking about being cast into temptation, I think that that there's some kind of perceived benefits doing it all the time. And sometimes that benefits like translatable, I can steal or I can make this lie and save $200 a gallon on my taxes and make like $5,000. You know, there's like a benefit to be perceived, for sure. Easy preaching sermon is like there's no benefit, like the kingdom of Christ. Like, you know, you can imagine that message for yourself. But, Stone of treasure in heaven. Yes. We must in a muscle, in rust. And, you know, thieves break in. Yeah, he's a famous I love the scripture. Two years ago, one, Oh. But that's also to say that that's why people don't necessarily oriented towards their, that that temptation to steer away from that any. Right. Yeah. To run away. And it's because on some level it's, it seems like all the benefits that you get from not necessarily doing like the Boy Scout route are so like, obviously everybody's taking benefits from other departments and other places and being more about this, but then more about that and that we're all hypocrites and stuff like that. And it's just like, that's logic's way of giving you an out there like, oh, I don't have to fucking do things. All right. Well, not everybody's doing things the right way. And then you're rationale takes the benefit. But that's like slowly unearthing all your blame fulness I think is like, hopefully what you're trying to do here if you believe in the idea of sanctification. Trying to rid the temptation or overcoming the mental battle, the mental jitsu for, for your mind. Fortify that mother. In the blood of Christ. Mother fucker. Yeah. Something to think about. Yes. Oh fuck. Yeah. Yeah yeah. Cartwheels on the potty broke. Yeah. He came to mind. But yeah I know Argosy was talking about like giving it a second listen through. And where's all my rewatching stuff in the last episode. Because yeah I think there was like a, I was thinking about also applying the idea to music, like the idea of like listening to an album. So sometimes you can listen to it a couple of times to get to like the, I don't know, kind of changes. I think the thing that's changing is going from like unknown to, you know, saying no territory. Yeah. The tracks. And I think that that part of that inclination to make things more known territory is manifested itself. Whenever you say that you were like compelled to remember their names. I think I've learned that names are a big one. Remembering names and establishing in that moment of like, this person knows my name. So I'm like more real, you know, in their story, more real, more observed to a degree, something something's going on there. And then whenever you like, have multiple interactions or like you have multiple rewatches of a show, you're able to see things that you will see before or like other new things are presented within this framework that you've put upon. Whatever this thing is, that's like a new one every time or again, three sixes in the thought. Dude, I'm with you. I'm sorry. I've seen Christ like, that's over here. Like how I could do things better in my own life. You had to be truly inspired. Them? Yeah, I lost it. I was, interrupted spiritual battles, like, dude, you said stop and rewind it and lead yourself, bro. It's like a cheat code. Just knock it out. It'll come back. It's okay. Okay with you? They'll come back. But we were talking about, Just doing your best. Ultimately. Yeah. And my head, I was thinking about just, like, giving people hugs or just, like, giving people, like, familial dap. Oh, yeah. The names. Knowing the names. Yes. Yeah. Like, I think it's Carnegie. Dale Carnegie, How to Win Friends and Influence People. And it was like, just kind of like some stuff about social interactions and. It's not manipulation, but it is to a degree because you're trying to, like, just make sure that things are like a vibe. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. So I had, how to maintain a social vibe. Yeah. And sometimes that worth. Not maintaining social vibe sometimes. But one of the big ones was, names. And like, in the service industry, it's definitely like, that was like a, a reoccurring theme within the last couple months. Maybe like less, maybe a little bit less time a month. But the change, the idea of names. And I remember also feeling that super strongly whenever I was like a camp counselor at the YMCA and I was in charge of like, 15, 20 kids, sometimes with, like, another camp counselor. And then we were going through the YMCA summer camp doing summer camp things, you know, archery camp, dodgeball, kickball, going swimming in the lake. Yeah, that's a seja. It was it was it was it was fun. But one thing I definitely realized quick is the, like, knowing their name or whatever I was trying to interact with life and make things happen in a beneficial way, which consisted of like trying to make things like orderly, you know, it's like I had to, like, get them to do and not do things. And like, we're trying to build a structure here and like knowing their names, you know, it was like super big, you know, I was like instead of, hey, you. It was like Darian Goodell, Jessica sir, or like, you know, like knowing. And, so that was like a super I was like, this is a tool, this is important thing. And that was like one of the like one of the chapters in the book for sure. Yeah, a long time ago. But names are important. Yeah. Establishing that home, establishing that foundation. So people don't know how to known territory. Yeah. That's like one gone into that one is you're talking to a different part of their psyche when you're talking to their identity. And then if you're just like in a lobby spamming chat, that's like different than talking to my identity as a person, you know? And so if you want to sell somebody something, even if that something is like just the idea that I need you to get down, it's like part of that, that CIA guy talking about how you, the layers of perception is like, you want to address them like the psyche of their identity, because now you're like, in they're in a place where they're, like, actually open to even receiving the idea of you communicating with them. But like someone calls my phone with like, a spam number, it's like, I'm not even like, I'm not even, like thinking about answering that phone, you know? But then if, like, I perceive it's like one of my friends, even on a subconscious level, is calling me, I'm like, yeah, what's up? Like, you get a, like, more genuine version of me, but yeah, then then we get into that, like you said, it's like not manipulation, but like, here's manipulation. You know, because, yeah, I don't want to manipulate people. But there's times where it's like, you can you need to, like sometimes maybe something unfair is happening and you do like, advocate for myself and like, explain how it's unfair and then I'm going to have to, like, manipulate your emotions on some level. I'm going to have to explain to you how I'm getting screwed here, and then I need to make you feel bad for me and change the narrative, especially if it's like it's true. Like I really am getting screwed, you know what I'm saying? Like, then you kind of owe it to yourself to actually doing it justice. Otherwise you can just be like, oh, if you don't care, then I don't care. And then she's like, well, yeah, I don't care then. But then you're like, that's not right. You know? So on some level manipulation is like necessary. But do you agree? I don't fucking know. Yeah. Or trying to make the storyline more of a truth. And so we're like doing it in our political battles, you know, or like this is more true. We should do this. This is more true. We should do this, you know, and we're all like, what's true? What is true? Follow you. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. It's like based on your judgment. Oh man. Yes. Our culture happening. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Are we out here. Is a morality creeping in the culture. Is there a force is doing it. Yes. Innately. It's kind of the you know I mean the thing. We've been saying of that about culture forever. It's like sex drugs and rock and roll. It's like people are getting more naked on TV every day. I also do a show like euphoria. So like high school kids doing drugs or surf. What are we doing? Oh, go. Yeah. For sure. We didn't mention it in a previous, but you're just like hold up. Pause. So like ever any reason I have, like, a sex scene in a movie. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I really that take. Yeah, I really know. It's like this is where, you know, if it's like, critical to the movie's plotline that these two people have sex. Like, even so, you could just, like, you know, imply it. Yeah. For sure. Implications. Yeah. And then we're pushing that boundary. Yeah. Why why are you doing why are you doing a lot of sex scenes aren't even because they were necessary for character arc like at all. Like most of them. Not really at all. I don't think so. It's like a small that's small. Even if it is, it's like implications. Come on. There's a line. Yeah. What are you willing to show? They're all over it, bro. Well, I mean, you could be tasteful, but some of them are wild. And then why are we pushing it? More markets, more pockets. Oh, Mo. DraftKings. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. No, no, it's a good. Liberty's good. Freedom's good. Yeah. Everyone's here for a especially part of the game. That's part of the game. The free will aspect of it. Yeah. And I tell you, it's part of the game. Yeah. So that's what we hope that's like. Well, yeah, but it's, it gets weird because I'm like, okay, so we just lock in, play tight, make perfect decisions across the board and then we'll dominate. It's like that's like every other sport, you know? But it's not like that. No. It's different. Yeah. It's cool. It's like grace. Mercy going to be persecuted. That's all. Yeah. That's cool though. I mean, it's cool to know that's what's up. I'll be like reading the Bible. I'll go with the end now I don't yeah, that's the done Kobe moment. Oh, yeah. Excited. Are we going to get to see it ethical on some level. Perceive it for sure. I don't think it's just going to be like all right so we double up. It's over. Welcome to the spot. This has happened. Ready. Oh. Which is like oh they start glowing I don't know. Yeah. Doesn't really matter much at that point anyways. You know what I'm saying. None. I would never be able to get to see. I'm pretty sure writing it on a horse is an aspect of it. You know, coming in ready to make a slaughter. Yeah, I don't think so. Don't don't don't don't don't don't be crazy, bro. Yeah, yeah. It's the idea of it's awesome. Like, even if it's not 21 Savage playing in the background, just the idea that our savior is going to come in and, like, save us is. That's awesome. It's best. Yeah. Super cool. I know there's another thing we're talking about manipulating is like innately wrong. It feels like, but maybe necessary in some circumstances, especially like now get know people names you know is powerful. Super powerful is different. It's a different part of the heart. Part of the brain is having to whenever you say it, it's like if you hear, if you hear your name you're like for sure it was up. Yeah. It's like give me a different Matthew. Yeah. You were calling you teacher mom on accident. That's like sometimes I think that's how that happens. It's like. Matthew. Yes, ma'am. I mean, ma'am. Yeah. Got me with my name. Yeah. It's powerful. It also makes people feel important. Like people checking to see if you're like, are really listening and making a connection or if this is a, author, it's not necessary. Check. I don't even know how to check authenticity, but if you're going to formulate some kind of way, that's a good we also like they have a good handshake. It's like, what are you doing there? We're checking authenticity, brother. Here we are. We're logged in. We're in the same lobby. We matched up again. The matchmaking of. Just, like, situation of Life. Yeah. People you run into at different points in life, different points in the day, in different points in their story, you know, say what I was like. Interacting with each other all time. Yeah. Yeah. Because y'all come on out. Everyone's come out of their own life into whatever version of them comes into a situation like that. What their job. Yeah, that's just work version of them. The non work pilot. It's in the very now you see the name tag, the bomb. You hit him with the name and like, oh shit, what's up dude I contact's like that to making eye contact with somebody. Yeah. We're here. We're logged in. Yeah, I think we're in right here. In. I'm in. I see you here. Here we are. We're logged in. Yeah, thanks. What's up doc? Yeah, that that changes the conversation. You can have more, like, meaningful moments with people, Matthew has three objects and one right there. That's on them. Remember the name on the back side? Yeah, I remember the name. It's, like, inherently makes you, like, think subconsciously. I was like, this is, they made it a part of their energy holding memory banks, storage space of a mind and made time for me and me. Space for me. They put me in there. Yeah. My name is worth remembering you know. Yeah. That's nice. Yeah. Thanks. I take something that takes something stand. I think. It's like damn. And then they're like oh I'm over your name. Yes I hit one on Saturday whenever I went to the, the, the vibe. Okay. Because yeah, I was Tuesday and I was like, coaching the team because, like, my coach was sick. I was like, running practice. And I was like, what's up? We go to the practice style. Nice. Yeah. And then I saw one of the dads for the the two team and they playing after the D3 team. And then they were, Like walking into the gym after a little after grab your snack, talk to coach break breakout moment. The other team was walking in and then the saw one of the dads I was hold me on Tuesday and I was like, Andy, right? He was like, yeah. His vibe was like, yeah, yeah, nice. Okay. He said this, oh, I know he's shot like that. Oh he's so yeah, yeah. Watching him get yeah yeah was like, okay, it's hard. Yeah yeah I you gotta, I gotta be chill. Yeah yeah I like the honesty for sure. That's fine. It takes something you know it does take like a little mental fortitude. Like a little. What is that ego a contribution? Whatever part of your mind and control you have control over, you're able to enable some of it and do it. Do and do a little good, you know. And you do a little good. Yes. I agree with that. It's a good thing. Some manipulation in essence. It's not it's like like caring about someone. I care to know your name. It's like the opposite of manipulation. But it's like win friends and influence people is an interesting bridge because it's like your life would go better if you were more loving. How do I sell you that? Yeah. Right. It's a fruit of the spirit. That's cash. It's fruit of the spirit. Super worth. They are twice as solid. It's worth it. According especially the pastor Anthony Philip Anthony Mitchell, he's like one of the king for fruits. He goes on fruits of the spirit. Want some fruits. I want a kiwi. Get it? Work. Here we have it. Cool. If you just like your spirit. This was like generating kiwi a lot. So yeah. The spirit of this season of life. I'm just cooking on this fruit. Let's cook it. Got the kiwi face, apple face, peach phase, pear phase one and phase. We're going fruits like temples and Zelda. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There we go. Ready for real? Yeah. So I got how many other in Ocarina? The seven. Nah, it's like five. Right. I think it's like three and then seven. It's definitely three. Yeah, I think it's three when you're young and then. Right. Yeah. And then after that you got to do seven I think. So that's a lot. Yes. It the earth, the fire, the water psychic, the time, the. Times in the desert. Yeah. Maybe the six. Is there another one? So an ice one. I can't remember. I don't think so. Six, five, something like that. Let me say five regardless. Regardless. Yes. So it feels like different temples, different seasons of your life, bringing different parts of you to the surface to like, figure out how to develop that fruit in your own spirit steadily, change your transformation to like it become transform. It's magical. Yeah. And as a church, we're taught to, like, encourage people to do that through the blood of Christ. Yeah. The sense of your life. Because you could do anything you could do. You could create anything. Yeah, yeah. You have the ability to interact and interface with this experience and have a maximum story with maximum impact. It's a crazy movie. And do some shit. Do something you call it to do. You know, it could be dope or it could be. At least it could be what is supposed to be worthwhile. Yeah, yeah. That's it. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. That's it dawg, that's all. Looking for the spirit of the thing that makes anything worthwhile. Yeah. What is that? Because, well, I have the ability to do anything. Access to infinite access, but not have the ability to make yourself feel at peace or be like, you know, safe, secure here. Yeah. Yeah. I'm with you because it's too much. Of course we're gonna have anxiety. Of course we're going to have. This is inevitable. Yeah, this game is too much. We're going to be depressed. We're gonna be sad. It's going to be too much at times. Yeah, we're gonna be overwhelmed. But there are there's a spirit that you can sacrifice to that will make things at least worth it. And that's better than what's happening, almost to a degree. It's deeper. And sometimes following that will lead to. I guess through the book of job it will lead to like the success. You know, I'm saying he does get blessed, but the end it gets like a he comes through. Yeah, he comes through with that for you and then for your kids or for someone else in your story. But you could do you can have a great movie. Iconic or more the spirit or whatever gives you that great movie. The ability to interpret it in your mind is such. That's a whole different thing that's going on, is that we all have a story that's like, we can't, we're writing it, but really it's like you're just perceiving what's happening around you. And like, those things become your story based on your perception of the story. And that's that thing is transformable, you know, the interpretation of your story. Strength also has the capacity to transform, but only really through the blood of Christ, that thing that can make it worthwhile for those things to like, make sense to you, you know, aim for things to like things. Yeah. For a job, it just like, gets better and it's like, oh yeah, my wife was wrong. Like I knew she was wrong. But like, do you know, in that moment it's like based on faith and faith alone. I know that that would be his perception based on the transformation he'd gone through, you know? But for another person who hadn't been through that, it's like, you know, if your wife is saying like, this is never gonna work out for you, and then it doesn't work out for you. It's like, oh, she was right. They were right about me. But then it's like, it does work out for you. Now your whole story is different, you know, different interpretation of the story. So our story is always open to like changing on a dime or what the, what the meaning of it was, you know and then the optimum what that could become is like through Christ and even if it. Yeah it's like worthwhile is a nice word because it's like you don't have to be a movie star for this to have been, like, the best experience you could have possibly had. But it feels like, well, I'm not LeBron James, so I'm not sure this is going to be like the best experience I could have had. Even then, it's like, you see that? I think there was a tweet I listen to the Russell podcast was, talking about a Joe Rogan episode recently with one of the main episodes with, like, Benny or whatever, or one of the, I forget his name was the older, older gentleman. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I think I listened to that. He's like an announcer. Right. I'm 100% sure. Oh, no no no no no no no, I mean, world I know you're talking about now for sure. They're older guys. Those two guys. Yeah. What are you're talking about? Like forgiving his son or whatever. Yeah. Like, yo, they. Yeah. Russell was talking about that. But then he was saying that there was a tweet that Ellen had tweeted where he was talking about, what did he say? I think it was relatively recent, but I think he had said, I to the person who said that, like, money can't buy you happiness like they were, right. More or less something to that illusion. Yeah. And the people are like books all the time. Solomon be talking about this topic. We got a crazy he he has like the he goes off the deep end to a degree at least perceived to be like from now standards from what he was like started as like super wisdom and super wise. But he lived in like a crazy but abundant time, had a whole bunch of like, concubines. And then like he wrote Proverbs and Ecclesiastes and Proverbs was like, this pass is probably the most highlighted section in my Bible, out of the lines per like, like it's the most densely highlighted portion of the Bible, for sure. For me, yeah, it's just like it's just like a book of wisdom or it's kind of was considered to be. It's like kind of general wisdom. And then Ecclesiastes, I guess it's kind of in a similar mindset. I think they called. Yeah, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, and then the Song of Solomon, like the, like a kind of like a set. The little volume one, two, three. Yeah. In the Bible a little bit, but Proverbs is dope, a lot of great proverbs. But in the second Ecclesiastes, his his vibe is more like, everything is vanity, laughs of vapor. This is all gone, you know? Yeah, it checks out. The story is bigger than you. Yeah, the story of you is more meaningful. Ends fruitful than the pursuit of, like, making yourself feel good. Yes. On your own. It's like you will enjoy the fruit of the other side. Even better. Yes. The fruit tastes sweeter at first. Smell bitter, sour, sweet. And it's hard. What is it? Bitter? Sweeter. Preach. Be like the vessels are like. You can't say amen. Say ouch. What is it like? What is it? What's the next line? It's just like a, an ending line to a sentiment that he would be, like, reaching before. Like something that might be hitting close to home, obviously. Like, said, that one just hits close to home, like, feel that? Yeah. And with that, say, it's calling out sins is like, oh, yeah. Now he just said. About Solomon. Right. Proverbs going off the deep end like a Western. Oh yeah. It's like an he's. Yeah. Life is vanity or like everything. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of almost like the end up not depressing. But I was like, I feel you. Yeah. That's the sentiment behind why Drake made. Is there more you're saying it's like. He did. I got them all. It's all gone. It's all. It's also fast. Yeah. That's the crazy thing of maximize experience. There's something that does something more than our ability to maximize experience through our own interpretation of what we maximize. Your experience? Yeah. It's like, what would make you so like a filled with the positive emotion that you're, like, crying or like, you know, like. Maxed out. It's over. Much like whatever. You're, like taking the looking multi megas and you're going up and it's just like I was crying, I was crying you know. Yeah. Car. Yeah. Yeah. Just having those car events experiencing beauty like love or like. The ultimate positive emotions kind of just like harmoniously playing out. Yeah. That is when a recurrent thought. But oh. However the Patreon talk was a little more. Yeah. Oh yeah. You'll take a little break or you can down or anything. I'm done either way. Yeah. We can keep going. Yeah. It was, I guess, nice to have some coffee and. Good. Okay. But yeah, we're so have a Patreon. YouTube. We love you. Always a pleasure. We'll see you in a billion years. Have a great life. Hope you had a good Super Bowl that the Hawks. As I say, hopefully you hit the Hawks. I don't want to push your morality. You want to push the morality? Market analyzer. I don't want a lot of myself. If you're a Patriots fan, you've had enough. You've had enough. Now I'm sorry. It's always tough to support Hawks. You know, don't be greedy with it. I'll see you loving me to Patreon. Check it out. Piece by.