Leading The PACK | Wolf Pack Dynamics, Jim Carrey & Deepening Understanding | The MJ38 Show #122

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Matthew and Justin talk about The understood yet unarticulated "rules" within a Wolf Pack that allow the pack to thrive, Jim Carrey's recent award show appearance and the potential of him being "cloned" or replaced, and the strange way we have to develop our understanding of Life in our own stories to progress forward yet knowing that we can't lean fully on our own understanding.

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as we've always done 122 deep. Jumping in, see what happens. The water's cold regardless. Jump on in it. All of the moments here. We're in the moment it's warm. Hopefully your moments a little bit more warm. Since you turn us on. That's what we're doing here. And we all have grace for each other because we're not perfect, but we all are, hopefully agreeing to it. Strive towards what we think is the right thing, and then we have the ability to manipulate that or to either confirm that with action or to the counter, a counter narrative to your own verbal expression of like, this is my truth, I'm doing the work. I am doing the right thing. We're doing this financially. Well, we could as we could. We could lie in like behaviors, not verbal, you know, behaviors like observed. Yeah, we have words we can speak. And that is kind of a action in and of itself. But there's something else going on at a deeper level there. Yeah I think it's both like some people will tell you. Like love is an action or like love is something that's acting out and behavior for sure, but it's also a feeling like it's both. You know what? I'm saying? In motion. Some people say like actions speak louder than words. The sort of strong remember, it's like, it's like they do for sure. But also, we work this out one time. It's kind of like the good works aspect of life. Okay. So you're dealing with your works, what your works is though. Yeah. But the works will never get you to heaven. No. Yeah. It's, it's I like putting it like that to. I hadn't thought about it like that. But yeah the works are important. So also it's out though to describe that as there were two different things. It's like in the beginning there was one primordial mind, and then that mind got split into like thought and action. And then they, like, kind of fought against each other in this ancient mythology. And like the demon blade said, you could use them like with each other for evil to rule in tyranny. And then I guess like the overall thing is like love is both but for good. And that's actually like, more harmony than tyranny is. It's just harder to obtain. Yeah. Yeah. That's a state that's a lot of mythology for like, their origin. Okay. And then yeah, it's just split into thought and action because yeah, I think we do think like that. It's just weird because you can only ever communicate thoughts. You can't communicate action right now like I can't like it's hard to do anything right now to fix something that's like a problem. So if it's like we don't communicate well, it's like, I can't just, like, fix that right now, but I can tell you, like, okay, well, like, you know, let's put attention on that. Okay. Yeah. When you give that attention mentally then revolve our works around that whenever we're in those moments. Right. Yeah. 100%. And we can have a conversation about the importance of it or like in that conversation on some level, you could like, convince me that, like, I like I believe you, that you want to work on this. And that also would mean something, you know, but but to make anything happen in the right now, it's like the same thing with money. Like if you need more money in your bank account, you can't. Just like it's very hard to be like, okay. Like, you know, you need to probably systems. Yeah. You need a system. You need a better job or like a side job or like a system to handle these weeks that we're given. Right? That's all you can do a lot of thing or like if you want to work out, it's like you might be able to figure out exactly like, this is my workout. This is what I'll eat. This is everything. But you can't just be like, bloop, I have it now. It's like you need a system. You have to act it out. The both are powerful. Without the there would be no acting out without. The thought is what I'm trying to say or like the now the presence of the now. Yeah. I guess kids are kind of like there's acting you know. So they're not really thinking. They're kind of like developed a thought like they're born more in the garden, you know? Yeah. It's been the thoughts and actions are kind of combined. I think they are like, I'm hungry. Yeah, yeah yeah. Right. Doing I'm hungry. You know I'm saying. Yeah. Expressing desire. Yeah yeah. Need creation. Yeah. They're amazing. Their kids are trippy bro. Trippy dog shit bro. That's a weird strange tether we're all tethered to. If you're listening to this, if you're alive at all you came from something. That's another idea came to my mind was that, I guess animals kind of, like, act without thinking. That's kind of what Jordan Peterson was talking about. One of the things I remember many, many moons ago about something he talked about that was like kind of a moment of talking to him, referring to these wolves and how they or I mean, talk to us in podcast previous but him talking about wolves, how they interact with amongst themselves in the pack and they have hierarchies and rules, but they don't communicate that at all. There's acting, you know, this is this is something that's going on. Yeah. I think we were more like that whenever we're babies. But then eventually we become like, oh, I put myself. I got to go on this toilet thing. Okay. Yeah. Here we go. Oh, whatever. That's been thousands of years that go either way. You're just like, I'm here. I'm hungry. Yeah. I'm wet, I'm cranky. I'm sleepy, I'm happy. Yeah. Tell me definitely has thoughts that too or shit. Yeah, yeah. You think something is funny or she think something is really exciting or she recognizes something, you know? And that's so cool. So cool I am. I stop being, like, amazed at, like, parenthood at some point in my life. Some people might be like, this guy's lube. That's how I feel. What? I'm just like, dude, kids take your life, bro. Like, shit. It's like, oh, that's it? Yeah. That's just that's that's the real thing. I see, like a mushroom trip in the sense where it's just like people. I've heard people now that I know what they're talking about, I've heard it a bunch of different movies where they try to describe it, or they say something about, like the love for their kids, you know what I'm saying? And I'm like, I know what they're trying to describe. It's this like, and that thing is awesome. And it's just that, like, that it changes you or you're not the same person that you were before or your whole life becomes about them, or it's like a it's like a mushroom trip that never ends or like, like some bangers. Yeah. Those are kind of just like common ones I can think of off the top that are like cliches or like stuff I've heard where it's just like they're trying to describe this thing. There's also like, super demanding, super rewarding when you see, like there's this movie number three on Netflix, it's called like Fire Break or something like that, and more or less, this lady is just like the whole movie is about her kid is lost and then she, like, kind of trips out thinking that this one person that saw his kid might have, like, abducted her or like, just like the pursuit of trying to find her kid is like, what's driving the movie? It's a drive. It's driving every action, you know what I'm saying? And I'm like, that movie's about this thing that I'm talking about, like how much you love your kid or like what it does to your life. Like, it changes you. That's like the most important thing in your life where you're like, yeah, you'll run into a fire or, you know, like, want to beat somebody half to death if you think they kidnaped your kid, you know what I'm saying? So it's just like a crazy thing in general. But yeah it also changes my decision making or like what's important to me my value set. Yeah. The works the ax. Yeah. Like time and again. What. Like you want to be in their life. It's like amazing. Yeah. So you were just hanging out with him. Yeah. It's busy. It's crazy. Some people take don't want to be at their kid's life. So. Yeah. Sorry if that's any of your situation. That's terrible. Man. I was like, what? Like, I get it. Yeah. Your identity has to die. Like they you that's still alive that you ran away with. It's like that thing would have had to die. That's what I did. Instead, you'd be like a new you. You know, my home. Water. That your parents. Because it's like when you have a kid. Like the part of you like the person you were before you had the kid, like, has to die on some level. It's, like, hard to, like, not lose who you were when you're dead. But also, it's like you're a new thing now so you can remember who you are and were like, reintegrate that. But it's like hard to not have like a midlife crisis or something like that. I feel like because it's just like, oh shit, like I matter. I can't like do the thing anymore. I can, like, I want to be like a dad, like, I can't. I'm not going to be able to be me. And it's like, oh, you're kind of right. But it's cool because, like, you can be this new thing and it's better. It's just like a lot, it feels like a death, or at least did for me. Yeah, yeah. I think other people go through that or they don't. And then they're just like, nah, I don't want to be a be a dad. It's like, Yeah. Fuck yourself because this is a mushroom trip that never ends. You could be right now bro. That's crazy trivia dude. I think it's definitely yeah. Just a got a gift. The gift. You know if forgot. Yeah. That's it. That's cool. Yeah. That's what I boil the down to as well on my own thinking. God was just like and this is part of like I did this for you had the capacity of love that you can have for a thing is just shattered at that point. It's like oh this thing I love, this thing I thought I knew I love was what I love this thing. This is awesome. Yeah. This thing is awesome. Yeah. Just inside of you like it's happening to you. It's me. Yeah. That's something I think it's like a subconscious level. The fact that it's like your DNA. Or like you're literally like like a for some reason I care about this thing more than I care about this thing. I created a thing. Yeah, yeah. That thing is super important. Yeah. And then they do stuff like you know like yeah the potential super high. Yeah. That's going on in the image of God, you know. Yeah. There's something in our DNA that likes to continue evolution. Like I'm fulfilled by that, you know what I'm saying and I don't I think it's like it's in there. I'm not like I this process I'm finding fulfillment that, like, exists already in myself, you know, I'm not, like, just someone who likes to have kids. Like who? Just. I didn't grow up taking care of a bunch of people, you know, I'm saying no, not like that. But I wouldn't have thought I would enjoy it so much personally. But instead I'm like, this is lit like, this is so cool. It's so like I'm get the chemicals that happen in my brain when I'm engaging with my daughter in like watching her grow up. Those chemicals are literally more powerful than anything I've ever had before. So I'm like crazy high in life or like I'm still in love. But it's like, yo, I'm like, I think that's kind of part of the other thing that people are trying to describe in these movies is like your serotonin, oxytocin, the shit going on in your brain is like, I think different when you see, like this your fulfillment of evolution and raising this kid that reminds you of you and has unlimited potential. And then she's like growing up and doing stuff and you're like, proud and stuff and, she like, remembers that joke that you'll have or, like, the song comes on and she wants to dance with me or something. Or then she grabs my leg because she does want me to go away. It's just like, oh, it's like, yo, it's like doo doo doo doo. That's the way it's there's some way to live life. I know it's a demanding dungeon. Yeah, yeah. Are the first couple of years when I, when they're older like, yeah. Like jazz is but it's the same relationship. But it's just different over time. But when they're older sister they're more they're less of the, the you I guess like the being of course I always like, be like you. You should be ideally the kind of like the foundation or the security or like some of the stability and some of the reason and order and like truth that you can run to or they can run to whenever they want that need that and also some of the disciplinary structures and like some of the ideals we should be, I'm helping you construct your game here. It's like and it's super important, but there's, guys mastery coming to get me through. No worries. I want to talk about parenting last, like two paths, but I didn't even know how to, like, bring it up or what I was trying to say. Yeah, I guess at some point they become more independent and you have to let that happen knowing the dangers that that holds. Yeah, it's like, oh, you're going to be running your own machine on your own. You need like you need to. We're all building like our own helicopter. It's like, okay, this helicopter flies. You know, I'm saying I know like, this helicopter is a miracle helicopter. This is me. This is a miracle craft. We got caught one on here. We got a UFO for real. And it's like, hopefully you're able to establish your own UFO. And then at some point, I had to let you because I can't do it for you. I can help you and influence it. So they kind of have to go in that direction. But then he had to be there for whenever that's going on because. Yeah, exactly. Express. Just like, oh, like you definitely like, you know, want to hang out with me anymore. Yeah. They did. Yeah. Heartbreaking. I'm sure I can. I can remember the times up. Sure. I broke my mom's heart in like, you know, I don't wanna hold your hand anymore mom. Like oh God bro. That's an interstellar moment. Like so. And no like one more day or I mean it's going to have it eventually but still that's going to hurt. You know when she's too cool to I don't want me to carry her anymore. Like she was like I just wants to walk around and she's like no, that only. So let me do my let me fucking walk, big girl. Yeah, right. No, not yeah. At least at some point you have to. Ideally. Yeah. But definitely just like a lifelong journey for sure. But at some point you got, you got to like five year old craft. Yeah. That's a whole nother box to unpack because it's like you can't even control their destiny. I mean, like your role in who they become is like really about them. It's it's their story. So I can hope to do is give them the right tools. Yeah. And stories are so weird. It's almost mental or physical. Steve Harvey was homeless for a while. Imagine how Steve Harvey's dad felt while Steve Harvey was homeless. It's like your stories are crazy too. Crazy stories grow, And oh, un random bring back. But call back to when I was talk about the wolf thing. The part of the whole thing that was super dope about Jordan Peterson was like, the Wolves don't think about their actions, they're just acting out what is going on in the in the story. It's like we have the ability to think about things and like and like act on those thoughts or not act on those thoughts. But the other there's with animals, there's some different going on there, but they're definitely acting. But he was saying that kind of relating that in regards to the idea of what Moses was bringing to the people of the Ten Commandments, the idea of what's like, some of the rules that we're playing by here, it's like, oh, like if the wolves, if someone with one of the wolves was able to have, like, a revelatory moment of, oh, we're, we organize ourselves in hierarchy and hierarchies based on these statistics and these things that we all deem valuable and worthy of pack orientation and pack alignment. And if you're not in line with those things, will I put you at the bottom of the pack? And then whenever it comes down to, you're annoying us or you're eating too much, there's not enough or whatever, like we we fight about it or we don't, and you die, by the way, we rocking out here. This is what's happening. And whenever you're, we're fighting and then we if we both give it to the point to where we're not capable of, like if it's a, if the cost of winning is too high for one of us to win, and we would be badly wounded if we won anyway, like to the point to where it's like, oh, I'm not even contributing any more to the pack or whatever I'm down to now. We're not. We haven't. And because I'm not able to contribute, we're not catching as many animals or whatever. When I'm in a food, just a negative, negative, negative. And he's like, yeah, there's a hierarchy that's playing out with the Wolves and they all agree upon it. They're fighting and it's like, oh, it's too much. We're going to not I'm not going, I'm going to not kill you and you're going to surrender. And here's what that looks like. And here's what it looks like to have grace for you or like accept you and be like, not, we're good. Like, I'm not going to kill you. We might need you. But like, how could you dispute? You know what I'm saying? And then there's a wolf is like, this is what's going on. Everyone. And they're like, oh, that's it. Yeah. So like, that's kind of what the he was linking that to Moses coming down with the Ten Commandments and telling people that he's like, you can't be sleeping with his wife. You're like, what's going on here? You can just be doing like, this is what's causing us, like, all this negative. Whatever's like this, this feeling of not being at a high vibration or whatever, we're like, I need to at the beginning of the podcast, we're talking about different, like vibrational levels of like 60 to 80dB to 101, 21, 60. We can feel like the vibration of the truth. And yeah, sometimes we just like vibrate away from things and maybe we're doing that and things are just obviously messed up. So it's like this. These are the rules in which we're playing by to help us organize and create a pack that runs properly, and we run it and we run it through. We run it through the universe on this thing called Earth, and we rocket. Yeah, yeah, dude, that was fire. That was fire. You got that from a Jordan Peterson episode or lecture series? Yeah. Nice to that. Is crazy that we have the capacity to have our elevator moments where we can actually say like, hey, this is like, stop lying to each other, because then if we operate honestly, then we'll be able to, like, be on what is the wolf? We're going to say it's like if the wolves could appreciate their hierarchy and they'd be, well, first of all, they could like, evolve into like, you know, super mega wolves that dominate. But LeBron James, Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh of Wolves Seal team six coming in. Black Hawk down just just super organized walking people. Yeah they'd start having like a higher calling. They'd be like we need to save this forest or I don't know what they do but defend the void, the wolf force. But yeah, maybe they'd handle overpopulation. Anyways, with humans though, it's like Moses gave us that and like, we're still trying, you know what I'm saying? Like, I think our capacity to, access the education that allows us to understand our own hierarchy versus, like, you got even you don't even know. It's like hierarchy, you know, like a baby is like what starts and then it's like, do people you hear about hierarchy? I know what the term hierarchy means that it's like. Then eventually one day you learn that society is most, for the most part, a competence based dominated hierarchy system, or it's some kind of hierarchy system that might be hijacked for tyranny. So if you're going to find, like the most meritocracy, the most fair, those exist in places. Usually it's based on competence, but then along the way they can be manipulated into whatever function they're supposed to be that aligns people in how they're supposed to be aligned. But we also have rules that are like governed and designed within those. And you can learn how to climb a hierarchy to have a more successful position if you were so inclined to climb hierarchy. I guess for wolves, it's like you don't want to be lost in the hierarchy because you might get killed off. It's not good for you down there. Yeah. The less is less. And it's like yeah you can't win any hierarchy disputes. And like you need you get fed last time because if you're not getting the most nutrients and growing the most and getting the most strong. Absolutely. So it's like if you are on the top of the hierarchy and you are getting that, it's like, oh, that's nice. I'm yeah, I'm getting the food. But then you want same thing he's like and said also is like the chimps the chimp or the orangutan. I think it's the chimps. Okay. I'm talking about a doctor lady studying chimps and like their hierarchy and how they handle things. And then the one is the monkeys that had or the chimps, I think, had they had the longest range or the most successful range and most peaceful reigns of time, of controlling the ape like hierarchy, the top, the 1.1, they had the best experience whenever they were most generous and most patient with like the Or. They showed a lot of love and compassion to like the females in the in the in the kids. Yeah, I think I remember hearing that lecture series too. It's like you can become a problem because one really powerful chimp can be killed by like three, seven, three chimps, kind of powerful chimps. Yeah. So you have to, like, have more grace or like, it could be like the nerve to say we all agree that this is all right. Yeah. You can't dominate through brute force because you don't have complete total control. They'll just rip you apart. So there's some kind of like getting along with people that the chimps have to do that like makes them evolve differently because of that I think too hierarchies too. But it's real. And we're talking about access to information that helps you understand the hierarchy that we're in. Yeah. Yeah. Just wrap up on presenting. Yeah. Like a bow on parenting was just like. Yeah. Like I just feel like for all the pros, it's like, not that bad. It's like, it seems so scary. It's like your world is ending and your ego is dying for sure, but also, like, it's so cool afterwards it's like better, but Yeah. I guess that's what I was saying about parenting is like no one told me that, you know what I'm saying? I was just scared the whole time. I was like, fuck, I'm going to be like, not cool anymore, bro. It will be like fucking how do I wrap bro dad wraps, bro? I'm a dad. I don't know, it's just like such. It's such a heavy thing. I'm only trace a dad and then you start, like, thinking about it. It's a whole thing. I feel like people, you go through it on your own. However you're going to go through it. But it's just so lit afterwards it's like yeah I do think like fucking though and like be hitting those notes more than I'm wrapping other stuff for sure. It's like so worth it though. It's crazy. Absolutely. It's the most, some of the most rewarding boiled it down. It's worth it. Yeah. Is it where it comes down? That's gonna be one of our core axioms for the entirety of this podcast. For eternity of our life. Yeah, yeah. Any any information we've ever learned, it's like, oh, that's it, that's the one. Yeah. Well, doing things that are worth it. And just the fact that you call it work, that implies that it is like you agree, like you, you know, say like that's like a worthy. Yeah. It's worthy. It was worth it. Yeah. It's cool. That's also how I got to the boil down the basis of like, this is this is a gift from God. Like you have to give us this, you know, sign. Yeah. Right. And you have to make it so meaningful enough not to make it feel so much like that. It's like, this is crazy. Yeah. Do the barometers if you're crying, bro, if you're crying because you're overwhelmed in a positive manner, like positive emotion in a manner that's a that's a gift from God, you know? Yeah, that's good for sure. Yeah. I don't have to, you know, have to do it. You have to be so good to me. But it's it's awesome. That's also made me think like, but God is good. Like all the time. Like, it's a cliche, you know, but it's when you it's cool to know that. Or like the thought is like, no, like it's like this thing that made all of this stuff. It's like, he's good, he's in your favor. It's it's worth being reminded of that because it's an overwhelming thing. Like it's overwhelming. It just simply is. It is too much. Yeah, it is, but he knows that. I guess we chose it. I don't know, it's hard to it doesn't really matter because we're here, but I think we we have chosen it or whatever. But we got separated. If so fact that we separated. I think the thing that we're trying to communicate is, like Eldorado. I don't have any more. The thing we're trying to communicate is like, I think our ego develops this question, like what? I've chosen this. If I could have chosen this, it's like very like me centered. And I've thought this. Everyone thinks this. I'm not saying like it's a very me centered thought of, like if I was in control, what I have put myself in the situation, maybe I am in control. I thought I did put myself in the situation that makes me make sense of myself. But I think like the thing you try to communicate is like it is so worth doing that you would have also made that decision. You would have chosen it for sure. It's like, gosh, you're so ahead of that. You know what I'm saying? It's like, absolutely. Like maybe we did sign up for this thing. Yeah. The feeling is the same, you know, like you definitely would have signed up for this if it were an option. Of course you would have done this. I'm God like I hooked it up, bro. Yeah. Because I don't know, I don't I don't think I live this life a thousand times, but I think the feelings the same, like the idea, the thing you're communicating is true. It's just like that tangibly reality too. I really think that's what I did. No, but it's indifference to how I feel. It feels like you've you've done this day at 10,000 times. You've woken up and put it down 2000 times. You know, I'm saying. And then I think this life, the way actualization works is like it feels like you've been here before, that's you becoming actualized with the thing that you deep down want to be. It's like reality is matching my expectation which makes it feel like maybe I've done this so many times before, I feel so, so perfectly laced in that it was always this and every timeline. It's this. That's what I think you're trying. That's what that bar means to me when I hear from you. Yeah. Whether you know either way it's. Past lives or not this year. But I still think we're we're, we're in the same day 10,000 times or whatever like. Yeah. It's like it there is even within this portion, I think of our existence, we have the story of our first births within, like the second birth. Like, that's like a. A different life, you know, saying also, it's like the how you can change how drastically things can change in life, you know, for stories and people over time. Yeah. It's very depending on what you're doing, what your thoughts and actions are. It works in your beliefs. Yeah, it's super true. And you can yeah, I guess there's also allows you limit that aspect to the. Yeah I guess I was I, I guess as far as like not past lives exactly. But the potentiality of like infinity, you know, I'm not sure if I've like multiple of multiverse theory or dare defense, like just the, I was trying to raise me, me, my mom, and, Mike and Victoria wish I could talk enough to work one day. Friday, they came down and say, what's up? And then just talking about the idea of, Hold on. I had them about the multiverse theory and infinity. Like I'd having. We have free will, but we. But God can account for all the free will that we possibly could exhibit at one moment. Yeah. You know, I'm saying that's it. So it's all accounted for anyway. There's nothing you could do that was surprising. That's like, whoa, what is this? It's like, yeah, it's it's every potential next step from wherever you are in this current second to the next second. He has infinity ready for you. And he knows he's trying to maybe push you, a nudge you in the right direction. But you got to also help and wrestle with that. Yo, you, like, messed with my brain. Yeah. Titillated. You took me to infinity. Yeah. God's on like a different plane of like he's the one that, like, made the system that operates within infinity. And now when they say he's omnipresent, it's like he's in the now with you with, like, all the infinity in front of you, but also like so beyond all the infinity that's already ready for you. That's what it's like. Do you have free will? It's like, it's like your concept of free will isn't even like what's going on in the system. So like, but technically like. No, I guess because, like, it's not like something random is going to occur if you exercise free will. Like, it is like I have a pre ordained destination for all things everywhere, all time. So it's like no, but like to you it's like it might as well be true. Like it is true the way that you feel in here. And it is a very subjective right here thing we're dealing with here in first person shooter mode. So you're not going to be able to like stay in infinity or like beyond infinity I guess. Yeah, we experience infinity a week at a time. You know I think it's as much as we get. But there is it's out there. It's all out there. Anything, anything beyond what you can think of, like in the next moment. Like we have a so I guess then what the idea of multiverse theory, I was kind of connecting there was the idea of with the free will, do we have it? Is it already is preordained, but it's not. It's ready for you, but you have to ordain it like you have to do it. And there is a reality that you can the optimum timeline that's there's that that's a right that's like a perfect plan that God has for you. Yeah. If that's something, God is good. It's a good plan. Yeah. We should follow it. I don't think he was the kind of guy that would be like, let me give them like, a, like a best route, like a beneficial good, best route. So, like, how would he get there at Christ? Like, that's kind of like the whole thing, you know what I'm saying? I want this route, this route to be the most scenic. Yeah, yeah, that's. God is good. Like, I bet I bet it is dope or like, sometimes I'm on it. I'm like, this is so cool. Where does this day is crazy on the is it is. You put it high way to hell. Yeah we do it and put Devil's playground. We're going to die. So how should we act to combat that? What's the best? What's the best bet? You should try to make the best life you possibly can I. Well how do I do that. Like give that to God. Because you don't quite know exactly what it would be. But you need to try your best to try to figure out what that might be and then act in that direction and then be open to the interpretation of God telling you that you're wrong. Right? Right, right. Yeah. It's like I don't care how I get there, because then I guess I'm try to get there. A logical question is like, is the route already laid out for you that you're going to like to have the capacity to choose from? Like, you make choices, we make choices. But there's I think there's always the choice to always go in that direction. And you can't get there in a day. You need to build systems and build weeks on top of weeks on top of weeks. It's like, where's the optimal timeline exists? And all that too is a question. So it's like all the routes could be laid out for you, for your possible selections. And then the autumn timeline is in one of those routes. And it's like, how do you discern that? Because you don't want to you don't want to not be on the best route. You and I guess maybe I should want to be on the best route. Is that the game I'm playing? This a game I've chosen to play. And then it's like the story, it's like you have to discern through the story. That's kind of the thing. And then your story is kind of happening to you. You're like observing that and writing it down as it's happening to you through the experience of your works. Yeah. I mean like if you know what kind of parents you have, what kind of house you grew up in, what your grandma said to you hundred and 16th birthday that could end up driving a decision you make when you're 22. It's like those are all like some of that's happening to you a little bit. You're living through what is the story of your life as much as you are kind of making it happen, too? Yeah. This is like the strings, like the Pinocchio strings that are on your life. Yeah. And there's something that's like the that is able to help you manifest and become the thing that's not attached to those strings, even though they're, they're they're still there, but you're not with them or like, you know, I'm saying like they're not in, they don't have enough pull on you anymore. Right? So if you've been your authentic self. Yeah, I think, it's weird, like I don't if my mom was such a great parent to me and I think that maybe. What, like why? It's in my heart that I love being such a good parent to them, or trying my best to be and like, I don't I don't want to cut that string or like I could, but it's also like, it's exhausting. Sometimes the story gives you a constraint that like, aspires action. And that's like the thing about Spiderman that makes him awesome is like, he's like a I guess I'm saying is not everything that is like happening in your story is something that you have to like, detach from and become ultimately like, free from to exercise more true or free will. It's like those things kind of like define who you are a little bit and the choices that you make. And that's what makes your story so rich is because, like, you were still that person or like that influence, like you were influenced, like I do believe in that, like I was it's now a value to me, you know what I'm saying. And then that gives you like a, I think like a more, a more rich story as you even continue forward as if like you were the same person without any kind of like, like we talked about in the last podcast, like inconsistency with like the person who was through all the stories and that would be sick. But then sometimes it's like, yeah, my dad was like, an alcoholic. And now on this Pinocchio string, I mean, I don't want to have and like all the behavior you saw and all of the, like, natural DNA you have for it, it's like you got to cut that and not be that person if you don't want to be, you know. But then alcohol is going to mean a different thing to you because of that later down the line to that like impact your story. And so I think that's like back to talking about how do you find like the optimal timeline, like it exists within your story I think yeah. Your interpretation of your story. Yeah. That's made for you. Yeah. That's me for you. Yeah. That's the other thing. It's kind of cool. Yo. Yeah. Got to right, right in the plan. The plan to kind of. It's a good book. Whatever. Good piece of art you got. Right right right, right. Yeah. Yeah. That's. It's so cool, man. So cool. It's a lot for sure. It's it's like in and always be in it all the time and you can get out of it. You can chill. And I'm saying we take breaks. We watch movies and stuff. Yeah dude. Well we're like, this is partially what we come here to do. So hopefully you're at whenever you're in here we're able to give you some of this dosage, but then we gotta go back to life too. Yeah. So what are you living with? This podcast is over. He's made me realize we're in a now. Every fucking cell. You're probably back. You're probably back in the physical, looking down to the ethereal. The astral. Yeah. Which is more true? Depends on what we're talking about. What we talking about here? Yeah, we have the distinction. Our ego is the thing that is in the thought, like the wolf. Does it have an ego the same way? I guess, when whenever I think about the word ego, to a degree, we're a couple episodes, it's good to refine that definition. I have it, it doesn't have one. Okay. You know. Okay. Yeah. Because he's not the thing that's like, yeah, the thing that is like us that's like in control of the thought action of the experience of the hierarchy results. Right. You know, I'm saying the wolf is just wolf in and experiencing the hierarchy results. Yeah. Not talking about trying to manipulate the hierarchy so they could receive more benefit from the hierarchy. The truth of it than is true. So we just be talking this with expressing those, these thoughts, but then they don't have the idea to like, manipulate the system and go against the laws of nature. And like the Ten commandments that we have, or like the idea of rules that really do keep this pack operating properly, and if everyone will agree to it, it's like, this is a good thing, this is good. Yeah, a properly functioning hierarchy is a good thing, right? Okay. That's a whole that's a good argument to be made. Yeah I think we'd agree with them. Also have like wars or like cartels. Yeah. That's like drug good. Yeah. No cartels or guns. Yeah. Yeah I think we define that as good. I mean they have. Yeah. They have weapons. They are weapons. But now what you're saying is super. Absolutely true. That is wolves. Yeah. Like let's say if we were humans and, like, even just like a would a workplace be a better workplace if the hierarchy was, what better? How do you define better? That's the thing. How do you define good functioning properly okay. That's good. Everyone is divvied out into the role within the hierarchy. I guess breaking it down into as many and it's all one. It's one that rises above all of them. And there's so many down here, you know. Yeah, it's a pyramid. Yeah, yeah. I joined peers in talking about that dream you had. I think we saw like homogenous periods across. And then one period that was like a all of it was a the top of it, like the where they all overlapped to a degree. There's like competence, like that's that's the thing that is common across all the hierarchies that are in there. Yeah. You know, or I guess, truth and doing the thing, whatever it was handling the moment, the competence is it. I agree with that. It is a lot to say, though, like you have to make that argument in workplaces sometimes or like even just stop places. So like someone said, merit. And I was like, yeah, well, how do you define merit? You know, what I'm saying is, like, if it's a subjective definition of merit, then it can be hijacked by tyranny. If it's an objective definition of merit, that's more like competence than it is merit. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. The ability to handle the moment, talk if it's like around the corner merits, like, they're all time and they're helpful and they, like, very rarely don't do their job. Well, they do their job well. How do you define that? Let's. Okay. We'd have to come on measurable. So like it's going to come down to competence. This is like vibes. Vibes is different than competence. You know for sure it would be like vibes right. You can say I know he's not quite as good at the job, but he's just such a vibe. He's a bro. He's going to get that extra shit bro. We like having bro around, bro. It's just like, fuck bro, I got be more of a bro. And the opposite is true. Or like there was a like turn to hire somebody on and it's like you're hearing from another, employer. They're like, hey, man, she was over here, or he was over here. You didn't work out too well. Just want to give you a heads up. You're like, oh, bro, I thought I could rely on this guy. Dude. Right. He had a vibe that is vibing like, okay, well, it's not worth it. It's not worth it to bring him on. So that's more, that is that higher functioning? Right? Yes, yes, yes, I see that's a bit higher. I've been thinking like the functioning with the finds, the function. We making money, dude, it's just dirty money. Oh. We cooking the books in life. We also cooking the books. Yes. I talk to people. Yes. Oh my God, like almost all of them. It's well done. Yeah, yeah. But no. Yeah, that's what there was a moment I realized where it's like you can define the question and open the like, what defines the question, and then you can do it forever. Then further define the question, then further undefined. What defines the question. It could never stop. But at some point someone's got to say. Yes. At some point or no. Like at some point that has to happen. And like I felt bad, like I came to the place of like judgment or like conclusion, you know what I'm saying? But like at some point it's like you just have to like, believe something or like conclude something or like have you're like thought you actually think. I think that something we struggle with as a society is just critically thinking and then coming up with thoughts that we can ourselves be like, I believe this. Like, I think this, I'm going to act it out. John Ryan talks about that. It's like his number one thing is he doesn't think people can think critically for themselves because of like, Instagram, social media, how we're constantly told what to think about a lot of things about like society. So it's like tough for people these days. And kids come into these waters. Will cleanse your dog on a cleanse. Yeah, I guess I hope so. That's what Jordan Peterson does for me. That's a that's the most worthy, valuable thing we could do with our time here. It's trying to in Christianity we call it spreading the gospel. But all I can try to do here is just try to bring people to Christ. The idea that inviting me to do this thing is worth it. You know, trying to be Christ like it's worth it. That's the only bet you have in this, in this crazy thing that we got going on here. Yeah. And there is a story waiting for you on the other side of that adventure and journey that is so worthwhile. It's it would blow your mind and make you cry. Yep, yep. These things are true. Well, okay, so I was like, half zoning out. How did you get there? Spread the gospel. Yeah. I mean, it's a lot it's a lot that I'm just like, absolutely. Yep. But it's just like, how do you how do you define that as what's going on here is tough. If you didn't grow up in church or like to make the connections between what we're talking to there. So like talking about it through a Jesus lens because that's what it is. That's all I'm saying, is the same thing with competence. Like, I know what it is. It's like you should define your hierarchies by competence. It's the most worthy thing. And then you should look through the lens of Jesus. It's the most worthy thing. And then my dad reminded me that, like some people, it's like, their judgment's going to come. Not necessarily because it's the most efficient system. It's like your brain is like, what's the best thing? What's like the most efficient or like optimum sacrifice, highest value? Like, what are we aiming at? What's the highest aim? What could the highest possibly and be? Are we asking that question? It's like, no, people don't ask that question. People like their lens or their aim or like where they're going to viewpoint from is just based on like their story and they don't like. It's a good thing, I guess, but it's also like not what everybody does. So it's like, if you're the only person that's screaming on the train, you're the crazy person. So if other people aren't always constantly asking, how could this system be the most efficient it could possibly be, then like, it's the wrong time to be asking that if one. But then maybe it's the right time to be able to have no one doesn't work. So you know, and then you can end up being Kanye West if you're not careful. Watch out, watch out. It's a it's a watch. A lot. But Jordan Peterson definitely made me feel like, there's times where it's just like, no, I know this, I fucking know this. I've done studies, like my whole life. If you're gonna ask anybody about anything about this type of thing, I'd actually be the person who could actually come to judgment for em. And look at the data. I've. I've come to a conclusion is come to a found. Here we are. And it holds water because I try to pry under it with the most stone man iron man argument of all time, or like on the other end, like on the interior side of opposition side of my thought to see if it's wrong. I'm testing these things. I'm not just spewing out thoughts, we'd be spewing our thoughts. But sometimes they're called. But he's like, nah, bro, I got the gold straight up like I got, I got like, this is where, I've gone through those thought patterns. And like, I'm looking through these and talking about, like, Piaget and different like just listening to him over and over and over again about these different types of scientists and philosophers and writers, historians, whatever. It's like. There's clinical studies on clinical studies and his own practice of experiencing with people for decades, decades and decades and teaching people these things for decades and decades, and having people come up to him for decades and decades and being like, yo, you can spend some bars on their dog. I don't know if you noticed, but you spit in some bars and they're told in your your class is crazy. And now there are people who pay to go see him. Thousands and thousands, hundreds of thousands, maybe even maybe even millions who are willing to go pay to go see him lecture, which he was doing in like college universities lecture for an hour, hour and a half, two hours, whatever. Just to see him. Just hear him talk with a lot extra time and talk to that too. Okay. Push to for that. I can go alone if you're busy. I don't know what would you have going on today, but, Yeah, I'm not exactly sure. It's just that it's a baseline, which is its own thing. It's like discover and then offer simple solutions and then, you know, describe a process that's pretty much. Yeah. Yeah, that's pretty much what happens at baseline. So that's the cool thing is I'm learning that too over time, which is nice. Like how to formulate what I'm trying to say or like the questions that people have or like, how to address things. Yeah, yeah. Things to help you sharpen your speech. Yeah, yeah. You know, I only I feel you because. Yeah, I felt the same thing going into a new spot with a new spiel and stuff. Okay. And yeah, I know, like, what's what are the what stones or what's the kind of attack I need or we don't have. What's the I need to structure this like I can I can talk like we, we could all talk and then people get really good at talking and it can be dangerous. It can be dangerous. You make it feel like the truth. But then we're trying to. I'm like, how do I legitimately make the best spiel possible out of the what the constraints are? Then we gotta figure out what the constraints are like, what's important here? Okay, so now that all these parameters are put around my intentions, I can execute speech based on this. I have like enough. I have enough to make like a small little sword. But then over time was like, that's always getting sharper and sharper and sharper and once again nasty. And I guess ideally that's like a some people have that gift of articulation, some people don't I think to be developed though. So you go, yeah, no, we're good. It's just, we almost dramatically change the plan, but I don't know if I can do that, but I'm going to deal with it later since we're not on the clock. He was like, joining me at 630 to have dinner. And I was like, oh shit, that's like a lot different than going over things on coffee, but also might be more productive. So I don't know those later. I got to in the back burner anything cooking in this case, the sharpening your speech with the white stones. That's good. That's good because you do have to come up with like, well, yeah, it's true here. Yeah. An attack. Like, I don't know if it's the broadsword or on off. It's the dagger. I got to take. And it's better to have a ranged weapon for this, because in the sense where it's like, I need to effectively communicate. And the other thing that's going on with speech in general is like being a good communicator is also it's like, you can be so good with your words that people can't discern whether or not you're being authentic or not. But in another sense, it's like what you're doing, it's hypnotizing people. So it's like my friend Blake is really good at hypnotizing people. But when I watch his hypnotic, hypnotic tricks, I'm just like, they're goofy when you're just watching it. Like, from the perspective of not being actually engaging speech. Yeah, he's like doing a lot of hand motions and then, like, really upscaling his voice a lot. That's just like, it's funny because he's my friend. He's like, hey, what's up bro? What's up bro. Did you, did you did it. Even though I like other crafts. Make it turn it on as a grass man, I'm like, he kills like he crushes like he's got them. He's got them hypnotized. They're having the experience, you know what I'm saying? It's like he's like, yeah, existing out here. And just like that, another aspect of the reality that we're doing. And then when it comes to the agreed upon place, what we're doing, the agreed upon thing as an agreed upon structure in this hierarchy that exists because we all agree upon it, and it's like we're tapped out every time. I swear, I got I was an item that he'd like. A number of us, I was up, yeah. And the people were like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what it is for real. Dude survived. Yeah, it's a crazy thing. So yeah, but hypnotizing is like, you're putting on a performance. Performance? Yeah. And that puts people in a trance or like, they're in and like, they'll be in their own conversation. Oh, so form trance show starting. And then they're like, having the experience, you know what I'm saying? And it's a thing we we this, this this is happening for sure. Whether or not you want to believe me or not, this is happening on some level. You can use different words to describe it, but this is happening. Yeah. You're being enthused. You're being inspired. You're being captivated. Sure. Yeah. You're giving your attention to something that's presenting. And that is like a big at a time. It almost becomes a trance. Like you lose yourself, you're watching a movie, you're like, you're not. You're watching a movie. You allow the thing to take over your thought space instead of you being the main see in your thoughts space. Yeah, as far as you being the things that you need to continue going on in this life, you're like, yeah, if you really engage in the movie, you're not thinking about other things that other like stressors are work tomorrow, work next week, or like your birthday in a couple months, or like, you know, like none of that's coming to the forefront. It's like, ideally you should be locked in this movie. Yeah. If it's like truly captivating you. If it's art. Yeah. That would be the most ideal place to be. It's hard people. You know, life can be a lot sometimes, like your home. Life's not good. If you're going to be used by parents you don't want to, like locked into that. But like, hopefully you would be locking into your life. Lock in on Christ. Yeah. You lock in on Christ. Yeah. That's that's the that's the highest order. It's there for sure. Is that a palatable pill for everybody? Not necessarily, but it is the truth. It is the answer if you want it to answer. But then, yeah, some people just like dissociate or develop, not always straight up dissociation, but like, maybe you become someone who can like, blur things out or not. Think about them right now, have extreme cognitive dissonance is what I'm looking for. And but that's like not good. You have to like unpack that later because it's like harmful usually when you do that. So then yeah it's like are people optimizing their life at every moment. It's like fuck no unfortunately not. But that's like the way that sin, that's the devil. That's like bad things, you know, I'm saying not good. Not go away from the idea. That idea could God described be as the optimal timeline, like perhaps like your relationship with God is out of the timeline? And even if things are going super well, you still going to lock in on Christ. They'll take you in the other direction. You're like, yeah, we are here balling I got it poppin. I'm doing the thing. Things are going real good. And we want to say how things bad. Man I can do it I'm doing it. It's like no, it's still Christ, always Christ. It's not you. Hell yeah, I guess. Yeah. Pitching the idea that developing the relationship with God will give you that, like, mentally. And then also acts physically as well. So like you job gets blessed up. It happens. So that's the end of the story. That's what happens. Right. He gets blessed up. Yeah. It's like a literal story in a metaphysical story. And then even if you don't get passed up, you go to heaven. You're good. Yeah. You know, it happens much more real than Earth is, what that means. Like, I don't know, as almost like the story of job is real and it's metaphysical. True. And which one of those is more true? I'm not so sure. You know, same thing with heaven. Like real place or idea. It's like, it doesn't even matter, though. They're going to be the same. It's the same thing is like, is this a simulation? So it doesn't matter. It isn't. It is. I might as well be. For all intents and purposes it's like the idea of heaven for all intents and purposes, is more real than going to a place that I could conceive as heaven. It's like, that's a lot, that's a lot. That's what this book's trying to tell us. You know, I think it's like side. It's outside and it's still outside. Outside your perception of what could be. Yeah, I feel you, dude. Where's it not always. Duh. That's what I'll be trying to. That's what that's when I use the word transformation lately is like I'm talking about like transformation happens where you exit your perception of what could be possible for yourself. It's like you can't imagine that you'll be transformed. And then hopefully that's for the better. And what it is for the better. It's like, I think you get a little piece of heaven on earth, or that's like constantly like, as much as it's referencing a thing that's happening when you're dying. It's like also like it happens in life all the time. Like you could be living out hell based on your actions, like in your own mind or in your existence or in your relationships, by making the wrong choices and the wrong sacrifices and being, you know, evil on some level greedy, lying, manipulative. I don't know how you define like the wrong, like the like the dark side of the force, you know? But that will lead you into hell. And it's like, that's also like a here thing that's like, yeah, the thing, the energy that makes you embody actions and behaviors that would bring our pack to the like worst, that could be right, right to Sodom and Gomorrah levels. Right? Because you could say like, heaven and hell don't exist in this timeline at all. So you could have like a good life that's going things are going awesome if you're like and be like heading towards Sodom and Gomorrah at the same time. And I'm just like, I don't think you can. I don't think so. But maybe. But I like I don't, I don't think so. Well everything I think or like within the Sodom and Gomorrah metaphor, like the this Abraham, I guess he was like trying to plead with God about how many people, like how many good people who like, how many of those people are out you actually out there? If you just take them all out and there's like people like that in there. It's like he's like, is there any 50? I at least 50. And then whatever he starts with and then he's like, nah man, come on, that's a lie, man. Go down like 25 okay fine, fine 25 okay. We'll talk 25. Actually sounds like a lot of what when you say it is a way of believing when I say let's do like 5 or 10 because I, if I do like five, it is I'm saying now yes or no, not even 5 to 10 of those people, but in some places is one on 180. It's crazy bro. He, he. How many hundred people do you know in real life? Just like the average listener? You know, it'd be hard to name a hundred people right now. We can name 100 people just based on if we did it collectively. You and I could do it. We could do it, I guess, like people that we know. That's the thing. Yeah. You can say baseball players like really full of the Lakers out roster like, well LeBron James Luka done. Yeah yeah yeah that we could name a hundred people like that pretty easily. But I was thinking about like you could go knock on their door or like go to you and say guess. Like if, you know, I guess regularly like that would count. That's how I'm saying we'd have an advantage. Yeah, yeah for sure. It's there, but yeah, I think it's on that level, like because I imagine it's like, yeah, Abraham's got to go like knock on these doors and be like, is your husband here? I really need this guy right now. But yeah, it's like, couldn't do it. It's crazy bro. So then back to defining good or like, heaven on earth. It's like, yeah, that that's there's something there that God was describing. It's like being evil is not the the kind of person that I'm saving, you know? No. Yeah. It's like, what are you saying in that story? Yeah. And, that's rough. That's rough. So being good muscle, that's what I'm saying. I also think when I conceptualize it, it's like, well, the devil like, will reward you. I haven't, I mean, I that's a conceptualization I have. I don't know if it's backed by scripture, but I just from what like so you could be evil and yes, things could get better. But now you're like on a slippery slope where it's like for them to go back to like, good, it's going to have to get worse first. Or you can take more of the freaking which is street and keep going down the path of evil. It's like, oh, things are better for a little bit. I'll just lie more. I'll do some more. It's like, oh no, things are, I'll just be like a little more evil and still a little more. And then like, it's like, how far can that road, though? So, like, some people keep the juggling alive all the way to Jeffrey Epstein. Bill, I think that's part of how we end up there. It's like you are constantly like doubling down on the evil so that you can not have to, like, lose it all. It's like, that's what it becomes. Yeah. Yes. I've seen it's dangerous. It's dangerous. Day one of the. I've seen files where we like to check the files out. Like now I'm going to be, We'll see what the think. Most important dude. Like, every day I'm seeing some crazy shit. Something different. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. We're going to be on on this for a minute. What did. To what avail was somebody saying they were just what thinking about is if you if I saw if I thought more about Jeffrey Epstein than I did about Jesus, of my day. Wrong facts. So I got to put down the Jeffrey Epstein stuff on some level, or I can't, just like, I think a lot of people are like, I mean, it's the craziest news we've had in a really long time. So it's understandable you're trying to digest all that, trying to understand it. Hamlet, I realized that, hey, Hamilton, I was like, yo, my dog is dead. So yo, you just sounded like a Osher professor. That's at the time I said, I don't on time. That's a, that's a that's a that's a week for somebody when I'm talking about Hamilton, I guess because he had the, I forget what it is, but he pretty much has a, had a letter that come out or like he wrote the Reynolds pamphlet in Brazil, it was called, and then it was, more or less, a confession. These are my confession of this awesome usher dork. Okay. Because, yeah, he was gonna get blackmailed for sleeping with this guy's wife. Okay? Hamilton was. Yeah, and he had a wife. And then he got ahead of it and just proposed to the Reynolds pamphlet. That's harm. And it was his confession. Sorry. He's like, you can't. You can use this against me. That's super hard. Yeah. If you're really aligned with your goal, it's just like, nah, it's cool. This is like that. The admittance or like, the proof of guilt, you know what I'm saying? He's just like well he's prompted. But I think it's like yeah the proof of he didn't do obscene stuff but it's like oh you're saying proof of guilt. Proof of guilt. I thought you're saying like he should be morally rewarded for. But no, you're saying just like here's the thing you're blackmailing me with. Yeah, here's the like the thing that I did, you know, it's like abstinence. Like, here's the stuff that was going on, and we're all, there's no, no, that I'd be like, yo. So it's like unprecedented times. That's kind of where I was I think. So from what the idea, I was like, we haven't seen this since Hamilton's. Right, right. And yeah, it's the other weird thing about it is it's all it's all out of context, like it's you're drawing your own conclusions, which is great, but like, will there be usable ever in, like, court of law or like, what are the repercussions of this. What's going to happen? No, we can't just be like, everything is normal. Don't worry about it. Don't ask a question like, don't worry about it, everyone. Or if for like, you know, we're not gonna do any investigative like digging at all, like we're going to let it, we're sort of let it slide a little flat. What can we do? But there's an implication that like, no, we're going to there's something has to happen, right? Everyone's like, right. Something has to happen. There's gotta be more, I guess. What interviews and interrogation or retaliations or whatever we're questioning or people brought in testimonies, whatever. I don't know, bro. I don't know, a deeper dig, a little deeper dive, man. One thing everybody's mad about is they've got like the a lot of the people are redacted like the emails to and from or like the names of, like the people that we would be like, upset with. Those names are redacted. So people were like only the abused names are supposed to be redacted, but they're redacted, like a lot of names. But there's other times where they just, like, figure it out, you know what I'm saying? They're like, this is this guy right here. It's like fucked. And they'd also figured out that, like, the guy that owns Hermes, told Jeffrey Epstein to, like, piss off because he didn't want to be involved with him because he knows he's on some sick shit, weird guy stuff. And then, at one point, like four years later, Epstein donated, like, 1.5 million to a charity that the guy who made who ran Hermes was, like, running and then he refunded the money and then, like, donated 1.5 million of his own money to be like, look, we're not talking about money, but like, don't feel like we lost it. I'll pay for it. But no, we're not. I'm not taking money from that guy. And it was just like people were like, yeah, that's hard. That's that's hard. That guy's real. That's what I saw. Yeah. I mean, he might have been in position to do that, but still, it's like the sentiment is like, that's awesome. That's people. There were people maybe doing, people that people knew about this shit, which is crazy. Operating in this system. What you know about it, you can't necessarily just like go to CNN, I guess about it because who knows what the reaches on all the shit. You could still be like, nah bro, I'm good on that. There's some props to that guy. That's our hero in this kind of unprecedented time that we have, it's like, what the fuck do we do with this? Don't know what to how to answer this Hollywood. Lord knows, you see, the Jim Carrey might be a dupe. I've seen that recently. Yeah. Jimmy cares. He was at, I guess like the Oscars was last week, and they said, that guy's not Jim Carrey. Yeah. So you watch it on where where's all the work? I think the, what's going on is that the Oscars were last week. The Oscars. Yeah. And I'm pretty sure it's Oscars, but definitely an award shows last week, like a red carpet award show. And then Jim Carrey was in attendance and at one point was like talking to a camera. And it just, like, did not look like Jim Carrey at all. And a bunch of people were saying, like, the eye color was really off. It looked like an eye slap, like it wasn't even like close. But yeah, as eye color was definitely different. But then I saw another post where it was like all of like there was like distinct marks on his bridge of his nose, right below his ear, on his bottom lip, on his chin, and then, like, a birthmark over here. And then it was like a previous picture where it definitely looks like Jim Carrey and then like, Jim Carrey from that night. And then they were like, you could see it. He looked like an older version, but all those marks were there. But also in my own mind, I'm like, what if that was like always the plot was like, make sure we have these identifiers, and then we'll be like, look at all of the identifiers. And the people were like, oh, okay, I guess the mask was right. But I didn't look like that much okay at all. And it's funny, he was in a movie called The Mask. I mean, he's got clips of him, like being like, you're, you know, about the Illuminati, like, come on, bro, like, don't fucking come on, man. And then all the, like, the death self stuff that he was on, he's like, I'm dead. I'm a dead man. Jim Carrey doesn't exist. It's like Joe here's a character I was playing. Yeah, yeah. Which and that's facts, you know what I'm saying? So with all the narrative I've been given the script that I'm reading. Right. You could. Yeah. He's a good case study because he decided to shed all of that to go further into what? Into lack of ego? Or is it like a higher self, or is it just like a person without a mask is like a weird kind of just like like an NPC, but like before they even have a story is just like a robot, like a ready to go robot. Like you have to without the mask or with other with script, like you're person, like you have to put your person on a human, and then that becomes like something you could deal with. But if you take it all away or you just kind of like, avoid those, but I don't know. No, I don't think so. I think there's something that's still there like, yeah, I guess the, the you. That's. The use there with the use not there. You're like an ingredient with that. But you, you don't have you're not a healthy. You're like a robot. Yeah I think it's like the opposite of us. There's this thing that you are. But then you are the thing and you know that you are the thing that's controlling the thing that you are. And you are like this. It wouldn't. I guess I'll just give you more of a connection to objectivity maybe. That's seems true. I guess it. Would that make you robotic in a sense if you just like were able to. Never run from God or you know I'm saying charge like to do your best. That kind of it's like what is a robot I think that like does something like automatically it's like we were able to truly be automatic. We would be with God all the time. We would never run away. We'd always be right there with him. And it's hard to do that. You're kind of describing like Jesus in the sense where he never hears this guy. Yeah, yeah, he was the whole time never missed. But he he still existed in story. Story seems to be like inescapable in a sense. And I think it's like, yeah, even if you weren't wearing that, you, you would still be like conscious. Yes. In the machine. And that thing is not turned off. So then your story would become, this is the period of time in which that I didn't have any ego at all. And I went into the the upper limits of not having a story, but that's still the story. Yeah. That still be like a chapter of your life. Yeah. I'm still in this thing. Yeah. Yeah. So again it skipped one essence. Yeah. I skipped out of the physical prison. I found there was a spiritual prison. Okay. I can't like I can't break out of this box. Yeah yeah yeah. Right. Unfortunately or like Yeah. It's like, is it a prison or house for your spirit? Yeah. Right. Yeah. A prison in the sense that you can't get out, right? You can't escape. Right? But it is. Yeah. Created by a good creator. Right. So it is good. But you can't escape, though. But you will eventually. I guess it's gonna come to an end. Orlando Brown was saying you could swap some souls. Some people. I've seen him going crazy, too. What's going on with these people? I think my dad would say schizophrenia. Jim Carrey, Orlando Brown, Hollywood's a lot in Hollywood. People's films just kind of crack people out. But then he's like. That's what they all say, man. Like you like, gets discouraged visibly when people are like, you sound crazy. He's like, yeah, like, I get it. Like, I know that's like this whole thing I'm dealing with is like, I try to tell you guys some, some stuff that I've seen, some stuff I experienced crazy stuff. And then like, I go back into society and I, it's like I'm a crazy person and, like, people would not believe me. But if you want to know this, what's happening? I was like, they don't know what to think about that guy. That's what I said about Alex Jones. Ten, 15, 20 years ago. Here's a whole thing, man. Here's whole thing. So, yeah. Do you think Jim Carrey's got on skis? This is what he saw. Aftermath Joe Biden might have been a robot dude. How steep was a rabbit hole? You ever. Laveen? Morpheus. Tell me, Justin Bieber. What did he see? Probably Selena Gomez is all I saw there, too. I don't know, dude. What kind of rabbit hole Ariana Grande is down right now? She looks like a fucking demon. I can't trust any of these narratives. It's wild out there. Can't you do any of them? Do I think, oh, he didn't look like the goalie. It was bad. Whatever was going on definitely would make someone who was a human say, that's not right. That's all we're all experiencing as a people. That's outrage. Where it's at, at its core, there was a mismatch or like false Imposter. To pass off a Jim Carrey impersonator. No, that wasn't Jim Carrey. Or he wore colored contacts and aged poorly and got some surgery. Maybe that's what I'm supposed to. Potential is the truth. It's potential. That's what they're banking on. They did. If it wasn't fake change, that's what they're banking on. Yeah, I just don't think that. They have to. What else are they going to do? That's still on the capital jokes. Yeah. Don't do that. Jokes don't ever do that. Why would you do that? There's one time we're going to have World War Z. For the Mark of the beast comes out. I mean, oh, we'll just be passive or whatever, you know what I'm saying? We'll just get crucified. As far God knows, I don't know. Oh, God knows, I don't know. That's fine. But do I have the story that I believed in, which is America, was that we wouldn't take that shit now. We would like, harbor the tea. What's it called? Boston Tea party. Yeah, the Boston Tea Party. Like I believe in that. We're supposed to. They said like they tax tea bags, like $0.02. And this is what they did. Absent files come out. No response. Nothing. It's like I'm not that. That's kind of what we're jokingly pointing out. But on some level, I do think if they come for the guns, there's going to be some kind of call. The pushback response, whether or not you answer that call Texas the seeds. I could see that I could secede. That becomes this whole country. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I don't know if that'd be good for our story, but yeah, it's definitely I believe in that. We should be able to otherwise it's like we literally that's like the how we're supposed to not be living in tyranny is that we always good to see it in point. Guns. But it's like you can meet me at three and, yeah, right now we're like, don't do that. If I get arrested just talking about that, they're in your house. It's like a car. So. So we can't do that. So maybe we do live in tyranny. We can't even talk about it. This was all 1984. Yo, yo, hold on. Come on. We're just joking here. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if we live in a 1984 time. I don't know how deep the plot goes. I think the, the most common, most sane thing I think of is he was on some crazy shit. They're probably even babies. And they're saying that I would say anything you could say. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Oh, it's that this blood. The spiritual critiques get much deeper about the demons and stuff that might be inhabiting these people, but I think that they're eating babies, and I think that they were mostly kids, I guess, like in foreign countries, like having sex with a 14 year old prostitute isn't as crazy fun. Like the idea that they were abducting kids from families and taking them to this island and strapping them down and raping them so you can play me out. So he. This is real. But yeah, that idea is like so, like gripping on your heart. It's like fuck. But then like other people view sleeping with a 14 year old prostitute in Thailand, it's not the same level of like fark. So then like you fuze, those things got fuzed, I think on some level with what was happening on Epstein Island, and that's what kind of like created the justification that put people in situations that they maybe weren't expected to be in, which brought out parts of them that they didn't know existed. And then Epstein abused that and then abused was probably in the DNA. Chrome like harvesting stem cells seems to be like part of the thing. I don't know those things. He was in. He was a merchant of evil. It's like also for conceptualizations, like how much more important you get. That's. Pinchy. I thought of, Lord Baelish. We were talking about that. He was the one with the brothel. So, like, supplying the the fixations and the needs. Yes, yes, I think he was that character who always kind of wanted to, like, play this bigger role in what was the big systems of government and ruling and stuff like that. But played his level of influence that he could and, and Lord Baelish came up I think was we came up with his fall. Yeah. Playing some expensive houses everywhere. Yeah. He was rich for sure. Connected for sure. And government influencing stuff. There's like a the lady who's like, talking at Congress and she's like, getting text messages and emails from, like, Jeffrey Epstein. And then she's like, there's like videos of her, like on her phone. And then you have, like the messages he's like, say this. And she like says this. It's like, that's crazy. Influence Baelish shit, bro. Lord Baelish Littlefinger. So yeah, I guess that's what I'm describing is like, I think that's that's the thing that's you should wrap your mind around is there was a Lord Baelish figure legitimately and he did like, conceptually, can you think of much more evil things you can make money off of? Like, I think if you were just thinking about like, how can I make evil money? So give me hard to like, find an even another lane, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, right. I think once he found out, like a giant chrome was like, I convinced kids that these babies will give you, like, like black market items. You know what I'm saying? This would be a crazy black market item if we could sell this. Make a fuck ton of money, charge so much for it. Build a market for it. It, Merchant of evil. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So but then it's like yeah. It's like I think we should like identify that except that. And then also it's like that's just like he was one guy. I don't know if it's necessarily our whole society is like interwoven with these compromised people. You know what I'm saying. Because the Illuminati is compromising people and some of those people are out of there. Some people, some he wasn't doing it alone. He wasn't doing it alone. Lord Baelish is exist. He ain't doing it alone. That's that's a problem. That's a there's your made a problem. Like, I think that's the sort of person I think would be like, yeah, that's an abstraction you should pull from everything. What are you going to pull from that? It's like, Lord Baelish is exist. And that's a problem you actually face. How do you deal with that? In our society, most of the time we don't deal with it at all. Most of the time it's the blacksmith. Yeah, yeah, yeah, if you feel me, you're a cobbler. Yeah. You're chillin. Yeah. Doing cobbler stuff. Yeah. Thanks. But, yeah, we're giving too much attention to it as part of why I'm like, we should abstract it and put it down. It's like, definitely should spend more time talking about Jesus than I've seen. Definitely. Yeah. But there's, there's a really a need for justice that we want as people or like you know there's something there. But yeah ideally we need to let it breathe, you know, let it breathe I think a rhythm will get you boy I bet. Yeah. There's some people who is like this. Like all they're doing right now, you know, for the next, however long and for however long already, I would say at least eight nights I spent three plus hours in the algorithm on it. At night, they'll say, yeah, you know, that's like 24 hours. Borderline expert, just just with all the but it's just like I've seen all the popular videos that people are posting. So like, I can just tell you what is popular on Instagram, but are they right about anything? Like maybe not, you know what I'm saying? And how many times is a file go viral and like people will post like the receipt, like the actual link for the actual file. You can go look. So I'm not just reading something that's like I generated. I was like you know like believing you're putting what your stock into it. Yeah. That's like not to catch check the comments. They're just, that's just the devil fuckin what you know. Yeah. That's the narrative is whoever is controlling the negative and trying to influence the thought culture. Yeah. So we've got some misinformation out there and as a webinar or a as a webinar, I'm a blacksmith, I'm a blacksmith, I'm a cobbler. I'm like, fucking cobblestones, bro. That's all. I'm that's it's much better to orient yourself back into that then. It's just so hard because it's all in your face. It's like we're in a spiritual war. It's like. Yes, or like because I want to do something about this because I'm wearing something of this, like, I gotta, you know, like to live as I guess it is for every right. If someone did something about it, we could, like, forget about it a little bit. That's okay. That's that's being handled. I call I think that's Abel's going off over there like someone handle this, like. Okay, well, have you culturally part of what's going on? As if the government doesn't handle something that's a society problem. The society starts to feel like they need to adopt responsibility for it. It's like, well, who's calling the shots then? Do I need to call the shots? I need to do your job. Yes. Right. That's part of like when I'm like, we Boston Tea Party exists. Like, eventually if y'all don't do something, we do something. I think that's maybe our government doesn't really want to put us in situations to do that. Maybe hope we don't do that. Like I have grace for that and stuff like that. But I think it is probably true, like as a society truth that eventually if like the governing party doesn't handle society problem, society will handle the problem. What it looks like might not always be good. Who knows what's going to happen. Sometimes we're clever and it's tea and your party doing something, doing something, something, bro, I think there's enough. I guess there is no way. I think gracefully exiting is also. I don't know, I would say it's the best thing you could do, basically. Yeah. What do you mean? All right, so it. Oh, I don't think we should always revolt. Like, against, like, maybe you could just, like, go to Australia and be like, I can go to a different country. I can't do this. America. Yeah, I guess right. But it's a global problem. It's not just America. We're in a spiritual war. Come on, man, you cobblestone. You want. The White Walkers is going to dog. Yeah. What are you going to do? What you going to do that people who are on the frontlines. But what are you going to do? The coming. Exactly, exactly. It's the whole thing. So yeah. Yeah there's a good balance of, you know, smithing, black and white fighting, spiritual war. There's a good balance for like, what you should be, where you should be placing yourself emotionally and mentally. Yeah. You should be careful with yourself. It's not like I'm like, I think about everything all the time when I let myself get on the algorithm, which only is like access to me as an option at certain points in my day. So it can't be like at the gym. Well, it could be, I guess. But I'm not the kind of person that's like scrolling Instagram at the gym being like, okay, that was way too many posts. And I'm like, dude, this fucking guy, man, it could be a bigger pump. But all that to say, it's like only at night, really. Or in the morning when I'm taking the pool, you know what I'm saying? It's all on me. Scroll the gram. Yeah. For a. Go with you. So. Yeah. Like, so it's like we're in a spiritual war, but most of the time where you place yourself isn't even, like, up to you. It's more up to you, like systems that you've built the systems. Yeah. And we're proposing that this is like information that is exposing a global level system that is just. No one's really cool with you. No, it's sort of like someone do some others like. Lord, thank so much. I do some others. Yeah. It's weird because it's no one's job to do anything about it. Okay. Like, we don't have, like, a morale. Like there's no, like, Superman. That's a job for Superman. It's just like standing up for what's right. He's. Christ, but no one's paying for that, is what I'm saying. Like no one's employed to be Superman. Because who would pay for that? It's like it's not a business interest for, like, goodness sake. Like we need someone who's willing to stand up for what's right. Why would anybody pay for that? Unless you're just, like, altruistic, altruistic, and you have money. But that's like one of the issues that we're dealing with is like, there's only money in, a lot of things that, like our business interested, which isn't like morality for the most part. Yeah. And fleshly is spending money on their business interests. Yeah. Like what can make you money? It's like people's needs can make you money. Messed up stuff, dog. I parrot seal team six is what we're talking about. So we got to write like a vat. It'll be a charge of them. Who's going to be a who's going to help enforcers? So try to help solve the problem or, deal with the problem a good person does, like, do something that's going to be worthwhile would be the answer. Hopefully a good person genre and so responsibility for sure. But who's ever going to be responsible or in charge or you know, said, maybe there'll be what's the word corrupted? I guess it's like what you was hoping to do, and even maybe not in their lifetime, you know, like gladiator and walking Phoenix takes the throne. It's like the idea of the. Even if, like George Washington. Like, whenever he's like, step down or so he create something and then you step down from it. Whoever's going to like, you're going to step down from it regardless one way or the other. Either you're gonna like step down or you're going to die and then is gonna be passed on the control of the narrative, the presidency of the whatever, like the head position. Like you're going to have to pass that on regardless. So even if you do your best and when you do your best, it's going to at any point, the thing, the idea of the person who's controlling at the like most in line with the objective truth of what the narrative is and what the hierarchy is and what the like constitutes true competence, it's like that person has to step down, and then the idea of that leader's always been there and things can fall into corruption always. But if you're you can rocket out solid, you could be a solid person, you could be a legit judge or whatever. You know. Yeah. True. Could be a solid person. That's what I'm saying is like somebody is going to be put in charge and then you're hoping it's a good person and that some people that that should be your story. That's like, that's the story. You know what I'm saying? But yeah, people end up being antagonists or. Well, I guess you're watching a movie. It's like there's bad guys, you know, it's also like cut and dry in real life. No. Hundred percent. That's what makes characters in more depth and have more of a relate ability to them in some sometimes. Because yeah, we're just we're out as people man. We don't know what we do. Main I think there's like a pretty clear cut of like being the person that you think it should be and then like falling short of that. I think you can like feel that, you know that's discernible. So there's like decisions that are like the person you want to be like, yes, I guess what you're saying is like sometimes people, the person that they want to be is like a bad thing. They're like, I want to be rich and powerful. I want to be the fuckin guy that says, like, get fired for that. I want to push that heavy. You I want to. So I want to be the top drug dealer. So I want to go want to be that guy. So yeah, that's like, you can be definitely misaligned there for sure and want that. So that's tough. Is it discernible all the time. Stuff like Tony Soprano right. He's like a bad guy party I love them. Yeah. He wasn't the bad guy. When you're watching it I guess you're watching like your hero main character here. Yeah. So that's tough stuff. Question. But it's more yeah it's more depth is more. It's also cut and dry in real life. Yeah. For bad guys, the good guys. So like I was going to be in charge of the private Seal team six. I hope they get the bad guys. Come on. That's bad guys. High levels out there. What we do, it's like, people do it. People do dedicate their life to doing that type of, I guess, you know, journalism or military. Is that, like, what? What the ideal military supposed to be, I guess I think it's what it's supposed to be. Okay. The bad guys. Yeah. Yeah, that's. Yeah. You got to be into that. It could be like a Navy Seal. The police. Right. Got the bad guys in the world. Captain Ramos retirement. Yeah. Some people are definitely thinking about, like, the the security of the job rather than the action in the job. The spirit. Right? Yeah. That's kind of. Yeah, yeah. That's why because I'm like, should you just when you think about a job, should you just approach a job and try to find one that best suits like security? And it's like, you should probably want a job where it's like you, it's important variable. But yeah. Yeah. Of course. Yeah. But more importantly, probably embodying the spirit of someone who does that job needs to align with, like who you want to be more aligned. So you are so you can like do that. You know what I'm saying. If it's not there you would want to like find something that more is I guess there's a real story talk. Some people be like that's silly, that's silly. You're acting like a kid and you think jobs around willy nilly. That has I mean, that's like a sentiment of like work, a job you like to work or that aligns with who you are. Someone you could be. It's like, do you think being an insurance salesman is, like, aligned with what I like? Not exactly. But it's a good job that does all these things over here. That's like what you should use for for a job. I'm like, for sure. Yeah, but both are true. Important variable. An important variable. You're saying there's a God store going roles. Yeah. Yeah. That's the whole thing too. Yeah. In some people's stories their job isn't as critical to their story as other people want. It's more like a profession for someone who becomes like a lawyer. It's like your job is very like interwoven into your story. At that point. As far as like, oh, you're going to come across someone who's going to like change the way you think about something that's written into your story without like a career work, someone else could have a job where that's not necessarily what that person is going to occur. That's a lot of story talk. It's a start up. Yeah. God doesn't need to use your job. It doesn't need to be important to you. Could just be like a job. You could always feel like I just had a job. I went work, I came home, and that's where my story took place. Yeah. Yeah. It's part of the sky. Right. Right there. Then you can imagine because we can't imagine it. Don't, don't lean on your understanding. Don't do it in any solid. And it's hard sometimes it can be. But for the most part I think so hopefully I'll be able to develop that sermon and get that. Yeah. You're called upon to use your understanding. You had to use your understanding to to project forward, to go forward, to do the next thing you're called to action. Yeah. And then it's like, how do I act? So like it's gonna be based on your understanding. Like hopefully you're refining that like a 40 time if you never run and then you're like in a football game and they're like it's like oh here's the ball. It's like that would be a weird thing. Like how did you even get in that position if you were like, you know what I'm saying? You would have committed yourself to. So I think that's kind of like all this thing too, is like you're committing yourself to your understanding on like a subconscious level, like you're trying to have a good understanding so you can, like, do well in life. And then it's like, fuck, I'm trying to do all that. And I got to call to action. It's like, hopefully it's like even using your understanding, like even using your judgment. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're, you're living in the result of your understanding and your judgment. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And your convictions and your convictions to act with those. Yes. And to try to figure out what's going on, what's working. Yes. What kind of works should be working for real. What feels the most worth it? What makes me like emotionally overwhelmed? It can be crying all the time, but like the idea of that, it's like we can get that sometimes you can have those 99 days and saying, man, this is beautiful. That's a beautiful day, man. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if we're generating those if they're just coming. You got to hold it out till you get to those days. If it's like a frequency alignment thing, I don't know what I'm. I never know. And it doesn't matter. It's like I don't have is the score. I'm just a blacksmith. All the days are my good swords. And that feels good. And I feel like that's probably the path to having better days. It's making better swords. I might be wrong. That's, that's what I got for you. That's what I boil it down to. I think it's worth it to make better swords. Yep. For sure. Yeah. Said take all, you got to take all you got. But what else are you doing. What else are you doing here. Well, this is worth the one here. You're doing something. Yeah. And at some point it's like, yeah, it's okay. I don't know, man. It gets weird, but thinking about what makes your judgment worth what worthy. It's like, I don't know, not me. You know what I'm saying? It's like I'm just having understanding and judgment, and I'm just, like, doing that and execute, execute, execute. And things come up where I'm like, my judgments of you right now are like, yeah, my discernment is like important. Then I'm like, how do I know that? I'm not like an influence on my own biases? So how do you know that is your judgment. It is your bias. Yeah. So you know it's like aligned with truth or like objectivist right. Yeah. Yeah. Openness. You got to have that openness. Yeah. But that's true. That's a good that is the question. Yeah. And then the story like the man's actions and you're like. We should do this. Yeah I think that's something that's like biblical in nature on some level. It's like proper judgment. Being aligned with objective means as much as you could possibly do, like bearing a true witness to put you in positions where your true witness matters a lot. Or like you miss the times that had less pull. So like you get like more pull and that's like that becomes a whole thing in itself. I think that's how you end up becoming like a CEO of a company one day. There's some gravity and weight to the words, to the truths. Yeah. It's like, oh, maybe talk talking. Talking, talking. Jaw Peterson. Heavy talking talking. Yeah. Bro was like, oh you feel it in your chest. Yeah. He's he this thing I'm floating this idea this question is misunderstanding. Just hearing him talk I'm like whoa. Oh well then there's that. You know what I'm saying? Like, he knows. He fucking knows. And you're like, oh, that's true. Like arrow bullet. Feel it. It's true. Like that exists in us too. Yeah. Everyone has it. Yeah, yeah. It's just hard to like as it pressure sometimes makes us go there. But mom even lied to me your whole life. It's like, whoa, where is this truth coming from? You just shot everyone in the chest with an arrow. We know it's true. Yeah. The authentic, I guess, an authentic expression of objective reality. It's like, this is what's happening, and it's not me that's saying this. This is like what's happening and what's happening is coming out of me. It's like we live in a hierarchy. If you surrender, you roll over, bare your throat, and we will be deciding at that moment if we keep you. Oh, yeah. That sounds whatever your boss says something. You look at your work best. You like. And you go back to reality. Everyone gym faces, everybody come on their faces, Jim faces real. There's other times where you look at your work best and you're like, yeah, yeah, oh, that part is, yeah. It's, Yeah. I don't know how you align yourself with the spirit of the thing that's like that part, that part. But it does happen for some people who are executing some form of understanding. And it's life goes well for them for that. That's good. But then ask them what a good life is. And then Jordan Peterson would say believing in God, which isn't a belief, it's like an action which results in you having a Christ like story, which is, not something anybody would ask for. Trust me. It's like, oh, man. Yeah, this thing is complicated as fuck. The Christ like story. Is like, the best story. Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean, yeah, as much as Jordan Peterson's, like, expresses trepidation, there's, like, nothing else more worthy, you know? But what do you sign? That's why he doesn't answer the question. He's like, because it's like, not do I believe in God? It's like not saying, well, he doesn't say, this was like, it's not Santa Claus. It's not like, do I believe the Cowboys on aren't Super Bowl? It's like, it's like, do I believe that Christ is king? Yes. Do I believe that a Christ like way to act is the best way that you could act? Yes. So does that mean I believe in God? And it's like, yes, yes. But that also means I have to, like, live out the story of Christ. And that's like, I'm not Christ. So, like suffering and dying on the cross is like, it's like not horrible but like impossibly difficult and painful. So, so yes. Like I believe in God. But it's also just like a lot to say bro. It's like when I'm talking about what you think we're talking about, we could just say things oh William Williams, Willie Nelson no willy nilly just throwing things around with words. Yeah, yeah. That's the where the cross is like yes it appears in the but yes it. Yes. That's it is that part. He's a boy man. Hopefully he's coming back soon. I heard a podcast from him in so long makes you sad. I heard a different podcast or that guest on that podcast said that they were talking to Jordan Peterson and he was like, doing better. Well, he's like, I know if I can like say that or if it's like his better is what I'm saying better is. But from what I gathered, he's like, no better by self-definition. That's good at least. Yeah, for sure. Take it. Ensemble felt like he had come around the corner was kind of like where this guy was like, I don't know if I can say he's like, around the corner, but I feel like he's around the corner. So nice. He's in the depths. Nice. Get my man off of death's door. Yeah, bro. He's down in a every bad dude. Whatever you got to do to keep whatever, just keep doing you, man. Like that guy is. He's like a job, or I'm just, you know. Oh, like a job. Like, whatever the story is that his thing is playing out. Who's like, keep doing what you're doing, man. That story is rich and great. And it's a model. Whoever's writing the behavior and dialog of your main character, keep paying that, man. Yeah, this show's great. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think I'll try to communicate like. Like you're about to. You're the story of you as job. Like, if you just keep doing whatever it is you're called or whatever the hell is animating you, I don't know, that's awesome. It's awesome. Don't don't give up and don't die if it's not time to die. Yeah, your authentic expression is resulting in adult movie I love it. I love your show. The show of Jordan Peterson is having his content out there. Consumable. You hop into whenever I want. I was like, yes, that is awesome. That's dope. So medical dope. It's like a thing that he did in his own story. And then you're like, why? You're watching this story? You're like, oh, he's got extra. You can watch his YouTube too. Yeah, it's even the best. Like seeing Breaking Bad or Great show like yes. And come back to the show, but then it's better with a person because it's new or it's rejuvenated every moment. And then you see him in a month, you see him in three months, I see him in five years, even some old, old stuff of his in 2017, whatever, ten plus years ago or whatever, you're like, oh man, it's still there, but it's just a different version of it, just a different iteration. But it's like a a show that's been going on for 50 plus seasons. It's like, you know, the shows change over time, but it's dope. Watching the show, watch it. Bragging about the five, what, five seasons? Yeah, five seasons of Breaking Bad. At some point, maybe if you need to give it enough air for it to come back with some, with some density and with some heat on it, because if you don't, it can run through and it'll be this repetitive and you'll know what's going to happen, that the predictability factor needs to be turned on for you to, like, be engaged and captivated. But like with Jordan Peterson, I'll be consuming his as long as he's like out there making doing his story by being like having that show running. So I get that. So keep keep going whenever you're whatever your show shift Soviet bro. It's so good. Yeah. And it's 60 plus seasons long I guess I haven't been he wasn't preaching at one when I preach or whatever. Yeah. Since he's starting to go into this level of depth in his studies and his schooling and his job, professional career, there's a lot of ways to engage with it, too. It's like you have the lecture series and you have the books, and you have his podcast and you have his podcast appearances. You know, the daily Wire. Yeah, yeah. So you can like, kind of like go through like these different areas of the development of his belief system. You know, the Jordan Peterson Academy. I mean, like, yeah, you interacted with like the two. Yeah. Yeah. Crazy man. He's a go is it go. He's on the Mount Rushmore of people for me. Go. Absolutely. Go. It's Canadian. Some like my number 1.1 is if you're an American, which is kind of tough. But you know, I still believe in American values. But this guy's a go go dude. Yeah, 100%. Yeah. You can't deny those people, man. Like, that's a good person in my mind. That's that's the thing. Maybe we're trying to express them back earlier too. It's like, how many good people can you name? I'm like, I could start with Jordan Peterson, you know what I'm saying? I'm not. That one's real clear cut to me as far as, like, if a guy was just asking me about, like, Jordan Peterson. Yeah, I don't, because there's a rabbit good in the forest, you know what I'm saying is, is that's a Jordan Peterson saying. But, like, it's not virtuous to be. Oh, harmless. Harmless. Yeah. So that's like, how do you if guys are asking how you define good, you have to like, really go with their guns, be like, oh, as far as I can tell, Jordan Peterson, you know what I'm saying? I don't think I'd be wrong or whatever you know. Yeah. No, he's got some he's got he's got it, he's got it. Yeah. He led me to that. Like the Jesus path. I just more practically, he's like, what do you say when made sense dog. It just makes sense. Dog. So this is this is just it like even and then like now I'm on he like, pushed me in that direction. Part of having this negative experience is me open that direction up for you. Then he pushed me further into it. Now on my own journey in that direction, like finding and being more connected to church. I like the idea of Christ in the Bible. I'm like, okay, now this is this is what he's talking about. Even if you won't or he's literally talking about the Bible stuff, but even like, whatever you talking about Pinocchio or breaking down other stories or personalities and whatever, he's like breaking it down to that. Like, just like the true truth is, it's it's true. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm coming into the, I guess, viewing of that truth with the Christianity lens over it. Like, I was like, I think this is the right one. Like, you know, said, of all the things that happen, how the potential realities we could believe in sort of to filter our objective view of truth. I guess there's a argument from atheists or like agnostics, you can have that view of truth without like the religious affiliation with it, which I guess is true to a degree. But it's like I think because of that, I also think that Jesus is the even if you whatever you want to call like by definition, being Christ is like embodying the best possible sacrifice at the moment. And people used to say different phrases and to find the best possible sacrifice for the moment. They're different words. But it is. Being Christlike as well is like the I think it's what we're talking about. His whole point, it's like that broad. Yes. You know, if you don't believe in what I say, you believe like Jesus. No, I'm with you. You know what I'm saying? Because I think Christ's like, would be the things that you would go to church to learn would create the behavior that would lead you to act Christ like. But I also think that is also just like being the best person you can be. So there are people who don't engage with Christianity as a religion, but are inclined to be the best person they can be, which involves like self-sacrifice for their friends, discipline, discipline and those things would be like transformative. And they would go through the things that you would be going through in church or in your walk with Christ. And they wouldn't have this Christ like figure to like, look up to or to think or to model their behavior. But could they still be like the best version of themselves, like a journey that's probably far few between without having like, I think that's maybe that's what religious attention is to like create like, education about it. Like, this is what it would look like. No, this is better than this. Like when it comes down to it, like this story is expressing this thing. So even when you're your best person, you might get to this point where it's like, Curse God and die, but we actually have a story about that. And it says, like, now things will be return to me. You can believe in that. How you should act, you can have faith in that. And so because the question is like, if someone doesn't encounter Christianity, can they kind of Jesus if they never have the religion around him? And I think that that my answer is no. Yes. But it's just very hard to try to be the best person you could possibly be. Without any kind of like, structure or support. Yeah. Yeah. That's probably in the when they talk about one on 100 then it's more context to that. Maybe it's not 1 in 100 and Christian places because we have this education and support system for, to help good people be good people. But without that you're just out in the world. Like just deciding to be a virtuous person is like, not the kind of more wild decision. Yeah, I think even I think we might have a pull too. Naturally though, I think that's our home. You know, to be like that. Yeah I agree right. Yeah. There's something that's. Yeah. But the something that the something that pulls us away from that strongly slippery slope like. Yeah it's like a pull of magnetism, like whatever you describe there's a, a call and a pull away from that. Of all the things that you could choose to do with yourself. And then the best version of yourself has a pole to it and a push against it. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's what's generating the story. That's like an aspect of the fact that there is this even a story at all. It's kind of centered around that. That thing is happening. So it's like it's not far from you. It's, it's within your own interpretation on some level, your own understanding, the best version of you could be and you aspire and dream about it. Yeah. Yeah. Even objectively that is what you want. Like I want to ask you what you want. You want, but you. What you want abstractly, outwards. Like you want the best possible outcome. There's an episode of how broadly is possible devoted to this question because like one of the the guys like one of the patients was like, nah, I to do all that. He's like, no. Like I'm really trying to like, have fun with my life and like party and chill, like work this part time job and yeah, do drugs and be gay and, like, hook up with dudes and, like, just chill, bro. And then it's like, at some point he eventually comes down to, like, he wants more for himself. Like he does, for sure. That's kind of like the moral of that whole episode, but it's like it's a question, you know what I'm saying? It's like you could just be chillin. But deep down, consensus for the most part within Art would tell you that there is the greatest adventure of your life. Yeah, yeah. The call, the adventure is real. And that would require you to ultimately end up living a crisis. Like how do you live the best, how do you live out. The adventure of your life is like being Christ like this is what's going on here. Yeah. Like Frodo or Harry Potter. Jon Snow yeah. Yeah. It's like this isn't like a crazy thing where posing it's like those are their stories. So a lot of stories. It's a great story about yeah. Yeah yeah yeah. That's judgment. That's like we're like no it's not like we have to define things. It's cool that we have that power. That's power. Adam I think that's like maybe what I'm feeling. I'm feeling the whole story of the power of Adam there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, oh, no, it is my job to like it is a lot is heavy. God gave me a purpose to like, define things with reality. Maybe I should be careful with that. You know it's a superpower. First gift. So as a body. Yeah. The judgments of the Lord for sure. I don't know if that's biblical or scriptural, but definitely in the Scripture it says that God's going to be the one that sorts things out. It's not our job to sort things out good and bad like that per se. Yeah. And we are so called the cast demons. Yeah. Proper sacrifice. Get the demons out of here. Who's gonna get the demons squad? There's Epstein demons out there. What are we doing about this? Here's here. And then I'm like, I'm a cop. Like that's who's the secret? The facility of six year funding is to be adjusted in, my friends. I don't know if if we had unlimited funding to go, like, mean people like Sean Ryan and develop ourselves. Nick Shurley, super soldiers that could go. We don't have seen like, characters Tim Tebow yeah, yeah, yeah might work for him in the next decade. We don't know how we're going to cross paths with him. Something happened. I don't know what's gonna happen. It is whatever he was doing. You're right. Dude, dude, he's the one doing it, right. Oh. He's Superman. I just realized that. Yeah, it was up to me to really get the business. We did that kind of business to me, TBA. So if you're hiring, please holler at the boys. I'm sure he is. Need some help? That's, That's crazy. Think about. Let's kind of started John Wick, too, Well, that's crazy to think about. Oh, just Tim Tebow as company people who work for him. It's like, that's what's up. That's worthy. Yeah. You said, who's going to be in charge? It's like Tim Tebow like, oh, there it is. The perfect serving as it looks like a good person. Yeah. That's who's doing it. That is doing it. But, I also signed us off here to say get ready for the rest of the day. But any other parting words for this beautiful, beautiful people? No, thanks for the thanks for the viewership. Thank you for hanging out with us. It's like, what do you get out of our podcast? It's a question that I ask myself a lot, and hopefully it's just like, warm your waters. Yeah, sometimes all I gotta go for is warmer waters. But yeah, yeah, at a bare minimum. I guess I'm hopefully the thing that's warming the waters sometimes is what we're talking. You agree with what we're talking about or a viewpoint or this we're helping inform. Helping, orient. Maybe even just, like, listening to someone's expression of how their view of things is interesting. Even if you're not, like, always agreeing with us. That's cool too. Like I'm like this is just like my perspective, you know. Not for sure. Yeah. Yeah. We're just trying to express authentic ideas, trying to warm the waters. And I think whenever we're talking about current events or sports or whatever it is, I think whenever we bring it to the foundation of like the some of the behind the curtain stuff, I think some people might be like, yeah, like what? Jordan Peterson we talking about the behind the curtain stuff with Pinocchio and Harry Potter and all those stories he's talking about. It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, the wolf thing, you know, that's dope. Yeah, it's almost like Jordan, you're going off on me right now, bro. This is awesome. Yeah, he's the guy. Yeah. This is how well things clicked together. So yeah, I hope we're doing that for people I guess. Like, that'd be awesome. Hard to put into words on a clip, by the way. It's entertaining, but hopefully we could do that. Yeah, more often than not, that's what we here for. This is the ministry. Welcome to church. Take me to church. Well, on the church. Take me to church. Wash equipment down, I saw it. Yeah. Go get a bucket. Get a book, I do it. Oh, yeah. See you live in. I'll see you in a week. I'm