It Was ALL A DREAM | Lucid Dreaming Made Me Question Reality | The MJ38 Show #127

Dreams feel random… until they don’t.

In this episode of The MJ38 Show, we dive deep into lucid dreaming, subconscious patterns, and the question everyone has asked at some point:

Are dreams just noise… or are they trying to tell us something?

From flying in dreams to feeling trapped in them, we explore what it means to become conscious inside your own mind—and what that might reveal about reality itself.

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Also in this Episode, We talk about:

Why certain dreams stick with you for years
The strange feeling of being “in control” inside a dream
Whether your subconscious is guiding you
If intuition and dreams are connected
The idea that life itself might be a “narrative” you’re living through

And ultimately:
Did you choose this life… or were you placed here with a purpose?


This episode blends psychology, philosophy, and faith—touching on ideas about free will, God, and what it really means to exist.

If you’ve ever woken up from a dream feeling like it meant something…

This conversation is for you.

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Sometimes dreams to be indifferent, man. You know it's just lining up with some of your some. Your subconscious is trying to tell you something. Or something's poppin. It's so funny. It's like. What does that mean? I know what you mean. What does that mean, though? Like, you're saying you had a crazy dream where you came conscious and then flew beside me? I was just gonna ask you, do you have dreams that stand out to you, like in the last ten years, that you have, like, a few dreams where you're, like, that one meant something significant. I remember that dream super specifically. You're like, because the idea was that, like, sometimes your dream world is just putting out bangers, like, yeah, yeah, some dream and a couple good dreams or a couple crazy dreams. I felt like all that I tried to call back on the last, like, maybe 3 or 4 years. Some more than others, for sure. And then who's to say what's going on with any of that? If you ask anyone that question and they're like, yeah, this is significant because of this and this, or like maybe they're embellishing or maybe they're misremembering or misinterpreting or telling you something that's like not truly aligned with the objective reality of the dreams. Trying to tell you. But there are some dreams where it's like prophetic and like it's a place where things can happen. I think, yeah. Yeah. There's some there's some dragons in there you can slay or like, there's some, there's there's interactive music, there's some bad that there's some about it. This is not nothing. Nada. It's not completely random. But yeah, sometimes if you hit in where there was one, I remember because you're talking about splitting up in this rock and you're dreaming that maybe I remember a dream that I had where I was picking up a rock with my mind. I had telepathy and I, like, picked it up with my mind and then dropped it. And then I was like, oh, I can like, pick up things and drop them with my mind. And I was like, I have, because I first I was like, apply a little bit of power to it and it's like picked up and like kind of wobbled and then fell back down. And then I like, consciously like picked it up and then like slammed it really hard on the and like shattered it. And I was like, okay, nice. Yo I woke up, I was like, oh, nice. Let's go. What is that thing? You know, I feel telepathic after that. Something's happening with that. I don't know what's going on exactly. Everyone's own interpretations up to it, but there are people who are like, you know, common motifs and dreams and types of dreams. Nightmares. But becoming conscious in a dream, that was a whole nother thing to weird. That's. Those are something I remember for sure. Yeah, there's a couple. I'm also going back into payback. Okay, let's go talk to their dreams. Their dreams, their the like. Look at them. Like what? Why did I feel some of these instances of subconscious land when I'm present enough to be present and remember it? Yeah. What's going on there. There's also just the train to get in there you know like you're dreaming. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. That was where I just, I pulled that one thing from. It's just hard though because like I've heard that stuff my whole life but I've never been able to lucid dream. But like this time it kind of worked where, one thing they say often is like when you have something, a reoccurring feeling in a dream where you worry, something that happens, it's recurring. Just like train yourself in the moment when you're awake to say, like when you see that thing, you know you're in a dream. Or like when I see this, I know I'm dreaming. When I see that I'm know I'm dreaming. Because I had a terrible nightmare where something really bad is happening. Like my girlfriend's mad at me or something. And then my girlfriend, like, storms off. And we're like, in deep in, like, an amusement park. And so I have to, like, navigate myself out of the amusement park, and then I'd take the wrong turns and accidentally take, like, a really wrong turn. And then now I've, like, lost her, and then I'm, like, trying to get to her. But I can't. All I have to do is like, send her a text or call her or something to, like, fix the situation and my phone won't unlock. And I'm just like, I get it unlocked and I hear like, call. And then it just like restarts and I'm like, oh my God, dude. And then I get it to my like, no matter what, I do like ten times in a row. The phone just like crashes on me or does something glitchy and I'm just like, what is going on? And then I'm trying to leave and I can't leave that feeling right there. I was like, when you have that like ultra frustration, that something like you were getting like fucked with in your dream by yourself. Like, I don't know what that was that made you feel the pain and suffering of like this. I'm losing my relationship or something like that. And you're trying to, like, make do something to fix it, but you can't. It was like fucking me up because a phone would just let you rent a phone. She's living in that narrative. That's the pain that I was like suffering in the dream. That's like, yeah, I guess living in that narrative. Yeah. Like actually embodying that narrative fully. Yeah. For sure. Emotionally, yeah. Hey, dreams do that to you. They had me, bro. Yeah. I was like, suffering and like, on the point of crying and like, I don't know what the fuck that was. You know, this is a dream. Sorry. What? I'm not sure. Yeah, yeah. So anyways, anyways, that was happening to me again in this dream and in my car wouldn't start and my car like kept crashing three times in a row. It crashed and I was just like, cars don't work like this because I work like this where this happens to me, I know I'm dreaming. And I was able to get that across enough to be like, I want to fly. And then the dream. Try to tell me, no, you woke up today. This is your car. You're on your doing all your things and the narrative. Yeah. The narrative. You're in the narrative. So that was like, no, what? I feel this thing, I'm definitely dreaming. And so the cost is really low to try to go fly. And then I flew and then I was like, oh, I was dreaming. Damn it off me. I don't want to feel that shit. Yeah. Sorry. Part of my language living in the narrative, but at the same time, living in your narrative and then choosing to believe your narrative over the narrative presented, there's like, no, I can fly. Yeah, it was living in the narrative, by the way, but I'm living in my narrative, and whenever I can do anything, I'm a fly right now. Yeah, it's so weird because I'm still a protagonist in the narrative, so I don't even know what to do next at that point. I can, like, figure it out in the dream, you know? But what I definitely knew emotionally in that place was like, oh, yes, I was right. These constraints that were constraining me were unfair, unjust. And those feelings I was feeling aren't for me. And I can fly. And this is like, I don't know what I'm going to do next, but I was I was right, I'm fine. So like, I don't know, I guess, where do you want to go next? Hell as hell was pulling at my heart and instead I was able to like, I don't deserve that punishment or, like, that's like, It's weird. Life's not like this. Yeah, life's not like that. Yeah, that's a good feeling, right? And I think this when you start to. When in the dream. What flying like represented. If I bring it back to reality, it's just like, like in the pursuit of heaven, even when you fall short or, like, just stepping towards Christ or trying to be more Christ like when you take those steps forward, even though it's like a journey that's like beyond yourself, you you can just walk away from life being that thing that, that constraining hell the double downward. And that's I think that's what the dream is trying to communicate to me I don't know. Anyways I had a crazy dream last night. And I feel like it was super crazy because I was able to use one of those lucid dreaming tricks that you brought up to associate a feeling like when this happens, I'm dreaming, and then that'll get you out of a dream. They always say that in the lucid dreaming, like YouTube videos and stuff like that. It's like train yourself to attach like, if I always pass a doorway, I'm going to start like realizing touching the doorway. And then sometimes if you go to touch the doorway and the doorway is not a doorway, then you're like, oh, that's not reality. That's another trigger for people that work successfully. Okay? Because you can you can touch your own doorway in your house every time you see a doorway. And some people have done that too. I was like, okay, I don't know why states have to. Yeah, I don't it's something like that. Sometimes you just put your hand up for a doorway in a dream and it just like, isn't there? And then I guess that works for like a lot of people. And then what do you do now? Okay, now you're lucid. What do you do? What is your objective now? Right. Right, right. What are you doing here? I don't know, sometimes it's it's just running or like, definitely how deep the rabbit hole goes that the idea, the agents trying to stop me has happened in a memorable dream before. Like two months ago, I was, like, in a construction. What work site? And I could fly a little bit, but not Superman around the world. So like. And yeah, they were trying to catch me because I know it's like breaking out of the the dream, bro. The dream cops were coming for me at. Dream the dream police. Let's say I talk. Who's the who's pitching these shows for my Netflix up here? Like who is? Yeah, sometimes they're bangers but they're emotionally gripping. Yeah. Dreams to be hitting dude where dreams exist and thought you feel me. Isn't that kind of crazy. Yeah for sure because like have a dream. I think Freud would say it's not crazy at all. But yeah, it's crazy. I just like the fact. Like your mind. Can your dreams are being like lived. You know, it's it's interactive. It's not conscious land, it's subconscious. So you're saying, you know what I'm saying? Same example. If you've ever, like, use the bathroom or, like, take it. Yeah. Taking a piss, never being like, seventh grade. I was like, going into my dream, going into a hot tub, and I was like, okay. I was like, I need a piss. So it's like, wait a second, don't. So I don't, like, jump out of bed, you know, like, whoa, okay. That's strange. Oh, man. Because I'm also watching something to you. Just, like, have sex in your dream. Yeah. I was like, physically, I was like, oh. Yeah. What? That's crazy. It's crazy. The strange connection between the subconscious place and your physical space. You're there. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. You are. That's. You are there. And the same part of you that's in the conscious land also goes to the unconscious land. And there is a chaotic structure to it. But it's a structure nonetheless. And we try to break out of it sometimes and we're like, I can fly anywhere I work. I guess I'm never, like, flown for real, for real. In a dream we have, we're all talking off air about. I've been, like, able to like, jump and like, try to, you know, like, try to fly with the intention of flying. But I can't quite Superman through the skies. Yeah. I could jump really high though. I'm kind of like far, but not, not a full fledged breaking of the of the game itself. Yeah, yeah. Oh, what does that represent? What does that represent? I think we're just there in both places. Yeah. I'm not sure there's something to it. Yeah. It's not, it's not nothing. And yeah, even when there's a representation for something it doesn't like, it could just be fantasy or like work a place where your brain is working out what's going on in a way that you can like, further understand it, but it's just working it out. It's not like a relativity truth. You know, it could all be you just processing everything in another place. Yeah, I figured I was going to, but then in the Bible, I talk about prophetic dreams. I took a thing. I don't know for sure. Yeah. You think I could talk to you to that? For sure? Whatever, man. Yeah. Turn your antenna to become that antenna. It's like, what wavelengths are you picking up when your brain goes out there to search at night? And I feel like if you if your lens is God, then like, God would be like in the dream space for you. But I think some people are just trying to have lucid dreams so they can have like the sexual Megan Fox. And it's like, that's not a worthy use. I don't know, it's like, what is the dream space? You know what I'm saying? It's like Yeah. What do you do when you become lucid. You become lucid in a dream. What's your objective. What you just do there. I felt that or you know it seems like to fly. Yeah. First of all, what are we doing here? We're trying to get out of those dreams. You, like, have to test. I don't know, the. Because the dream logic is I've always kind of out in the air, like. Have you ever had a surfer dream? Yeah. Oh, yeah. All the time. All the time did all the time. Did, This is. It's a real dog. You know what I'm saying? In the sometimes a surfer dreams I feel like, are correlated to, like, how you're actually feeling at work. But there's also it's like general server dreams are sometimes you're just in heavy obligation and you're unable to fulfill it or like something's, but, like, blocking you from feeling this thing or like finishing the queue of tasks you have at hand because of the narrative of being a server. And, that's. Yeah, I think typically server server dreams are like just like directly related to the idea of being like, we are stressed, you know, for the most part. Yeah. Would you agree? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. They're usually not pleasant. No, no. There's I love I had like two memorable dreams. One where it was just in my dreams. When I'm dreaming I come back to the same place often. And so it's crazy to like I'll see like a different part of, like the place that I've been dreaming about. Like it happens half in what I know and half of what I don't know. And then I know the map now to be like, like Kingdom Hearts, you know what I'm saying? It's like I know this much of the map now, so, like, are we going to Traverse Town and shit? Not literally, but that's what it's like. And then when I'm like, peak dreaming, I can remember like the four worlds, like in Kingdom Hearts, it's like a good metaphor. I'm like, okay, yeah, sometimes I go to Agrabah, sometimes I'm in the jungle place, and I just started such an Alice in Wonderland. And then there's definitely like the the Destiny Island for the beginning. And I can, I can like, while I'm falling asleep, I'll think about all the worlds that I've been to. Yeah. And then that kind of like, I think also puts me into a trippy dream place. Sometimes Kingdom hearts is the wreckage of Bay. So heartless, but I think just heartless or. Yeah, it's a great game. Great story. I don't know if people hate that story. Okay, it got convoluted. Yeah. The original one, 2 or 3 were pretty like okay, this is what I saw. It did get ridiculous the further went on. So yeah, I guess there's a lot there's a lot of iterations and stuff. When we were kids and the first one came out, it's like Jordan Peterson 12 Disney bro. Yeah, Disney coming out with some bangers. Something to get you to start. Yeah yeah. Thank you. Was cool to like I said this I'll be doing that. But you know. There's a whole bunch of them. I'm sure they're great. I'm sure they're all fantastic. But like, the first, you know, like seven and eight and like five. See, ten. It's like, yo, I. Cause some people games are tied, but ten was nuts. Yeah. And I was like, yeah, there are people that were like, Final Fantasy three would have blown your mind if you, if you were like there for the while it was happening, what was happening when it was happening. I think once it got to cloud, that was like when people were like, yo, this is something else. Yeah. 757. Oh, that. Well, yeah, I interpret and dreams, dawg. I'm gonna bring some quick prayer for transition out of this thought. Yeah. So some space. I was praying to our next session. Dearly father, we want to thank you for the day. Thank you for the opportunities ahead. And thank you for everything you've bestowed upon us and everything you continue to bestow upon us since the beginning of time until the end of time. We also want to say, whoever this podcast, these words, these inspirational thoughts and trains of thousands of kind starts and true genuine expression of word can get to whoever needs to get to an in impact, whatever it needs to impact, in whichever way you see fit for storylines to go, you know you're the author of all authors and the story teller of all stories with the King of Kings, and we thank you for your sacrifice on this resurrection. Next 40 days. Got some weird energy to it, some different energy to it. Let us tap into that, tap into that focal point, and to praise your name make you more well known. I know you more well ourselves, which is quite something. Pray. Resurrection. Resurrection 40 days wherever 40 days. Him and James are crazy. This whole experience, all experiential thing that we got going on here is crazy. It's a lot, but we love it though I think it's better. It's better than not, I suppose, you know. Yeah, it it is. This life is for you. Come on now. God has a plan for you to prosper, not perish. I mean, that's how the scripture was. It's like how my brain assigns it. But yeah. And I plan for you purpose in the future and hope. Yes. You know what I'm saying. Yes I believe in that. Yeah. Yeah I hold that dear. Yeah. It's in the manual. There's a couple. Yeah, there's a couple, links for finding some of the scriptures and I'm able to, like, put the, like some of the basic foundation of, like what I believe is going on here. Yeah. Yeah, that's a big one. Jeremiah 2911. Yeah. Plan for you. And then there's there's the other one I have, I have some of them like in buckets. Yeah. So there's a, I think it's Ephesians 210, San Antonio, I remember I like that with Ephesians 210 and the saying the, we are God's handiwork. He's like made works for us from before. You know. Yeah. It's like, yes, there's, something going on here for you. Yeah. You know. Yeah. The you that travels in between the conscious and subconscious. Yes. We don't understand dreams. So such as an importance of something I don't understand. It's like there's something to it, but I'm not going to try to read whatever. I think Freud is, like, one of the only people that I know publish stuff about dreams and like, the ego and it. So I'm trying to like, read that and understand what he was trying to say. So it's just like someone's this is what I think. Yeah, yeah. And the people this is my take. Yeah, yeah. And I guess at the time a lot of people were like, this is crazy stuff is what you said. And it became like super popular because of that. So but then I think after I read that, what about the mind that I can, like, see who the next person people say to read is, you know, and then we can figure out what people think about the mind, you know? Yeah. Dude. So Jordan Peterson, me doing. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Or right at that point where it's like, if I want to understand it anymore, I have to like, find out what other people are thinking about this, because I kind of we've been thinking about what we're thinking about this for like a long time now, like why this is happening or, what these dreams are or the separation of your conscious thinking versus the part of you that needs to eat, sleep, and then the party that has like needs and desires, like who, who's operating all of those things. Trying to understand what the what that is like consciously. And then these people have been thinking about it like I guess Carl Jung is another person but yeah yeah, yeah. Union Newman I'm, I feel like a real cliche if I just start reading other people, you know? I think it's a worthwhile pursuit. We're getting to the point. I think it's a worthwhile pursuit. Yeah, we're getting to the point where that's like the next step. Yeah. Let's read about these ideas to figure out what's going on here. I've been thinking like as much as my dreams are hidden. That was dreams to be hidden. One of the transition points was like even though I'm getting older dreams are still sometimes like last night, I'm like, don't going to sit with me for a while. I got to like, sit here and think about what did that mean, and I'll have some dreams that be blown my mind, like they serve our dreams that we talk about archetypical, have one where it's like the same restaurant over and over and I have, I have, like the outside section, like maybe there's like two outside sections and I have this section and I have that section, and then I just like, forget I have that section for long enough to be like, oh no. Like, yeah. So yeah, that's typically one of the motifs. I can't go over there, I can't go, I have to go over that. I can't go over there. I have to go over there. Yeah. Or I'll be trying to go down a hallway to like, get something just like, slip and fall. Oh, no. Get up. But I can't find it, so I was like, oh, we need the bread. And I'm like, oh, okay. They go back behind slip and fall. Yeah. But the first I'm like 7 or 8 left. I'm slipping and falling. Yeah. Oh. God. Oh God. That's should 3 or 4. I'm like, yo, what's happening? You so funny. Okay. 7 or 8 falls is while you're at. Okay, let's lose. I train myself to catch that feeling that I remember. And you manifested in the in the dang restaurants back in the day. Funny. Oh, yeah. So, so. But these dreams. Plan for you. Oh yeah. Even though I'm getting older like they're still going crazy. I remember one dream having, I was like 23 that one like was I went through like dimensions of different places, waking up in another body to have another crazy dream. And then I still think about that one to this day, because sometimes, like I don't know, it felt like, like sometimes you fight. The main story boss reveals like more about the main story. It's like that. That dream felt like one of those dreams because it's like several archetypal hard archetypical dreams happened in a row. And then I ended up like waking up in my mom's house and like, kind of being around a turn to talk to my mom. And then I, like, woke up in real life and I was just like, I kept getting woken up being like, that dream was crazy. And then still being in the dream, having another archetypical dream. And then eventually I woke up in my bed like, oh my gosh, yeah, I made it out. Whole section dog. I do like dreams of within dreams. Yeah, dude, that's crazy dog. I don't think I've ever had dreams like that. That one was nuts, dude. Like, I've heard of that happening though. The maybe only like for a couple iterations. Let's have that many a lot. It was. It was like I was at work, you fall asleep and then wake up in another dream. Yeah, I was at a graduation. And then there's something drama happening after graduation. Wake up. And I'm at like a castle with all these books. It's like an Eden Castle or like, whatever, Scotland or something. Yeah, like Hogwarts, but it's like all it's it's like real knowledge. Like, I know it's knowledge. It's like, something like a mythical place of wisdom. Yeah. Yes, yes. And then I, like, steal something from there. And as soon as I steal it, all I want to do is put it back. I'm like, why did I have the impulse to, like, take from this thing? I just want to give it back. So bad, but I feel I need it. Harry Potter I Jose control Z. If I know if I put it back, I would get caught for stealing it. And then I do get caught for stealing from it. And then they like, tell me I can't come in there anymore, like I'm not allowed anymore. And I was just like, dude, why did I do that? And then I wake up in another dream. And then I wake up in another dream. In a place where, like, I feel like I've died from the past. Dream I can't remember. The next one is I'm going to fly through it. So then I wake up and then a robot comes up to me and I freak out and drop to my hands and knees. And I just pray the Lord's Prayer. And then the robot, like, runs away like scared of me. And then I was like, oh, what's happening? And then I go down into this place where it's like a basic, basic playground with like, Pokemon drawn lines, and I'm like, what's happening here? And then Dario, my youth minister from Florence, is there like this lady from church, and she's just like, hey, you know, like you're not dead. Don't worry. And I don't know why, but like, I feel like when I was having my surgery, I was in that place for some reason it feels like, am I going to die? And she's like, no, no, no, you're not dying. And I was like, okay, yeah, cool. I remember this feeling and then I broke through to another dream where I woke up at my mom's house and I'm thinking, I'm like in 2016. And I'm like, oh, crazy world. And then woke up out of that dream to like, real life. And it's just like, what the fuck was all that? Those four, five, six dream iterations? Weird, bro. That's wild. But that one sticks with me for like a long time. I was like, how old are you when this happened? Live in a vosotros. Like 23, like eight years ago. Damn dumb that just to say every time, no matter how old or how old I get the dream still go crazy. Life still going crazy. So that's cool to know you're still interpreting story. Yeah. And there's a conscious element of interpreting story whether it's a conscious or a subconscious story that's there or whatever. Circadian rhythm awake time versus our sleep time. Like there's a view that's present to all of it you know. So yeah there's like I fell asleep and then I'm like sleeping. And then I wake up out of my sleep and I'm doing things again that are normal life. It's like that little part is like, something else there, or, you know, you're still there. Yeah. It's not as real, I guess. Definitely not. Because, like, in our in a bed, it's like it's like a mental movie is playing in our minds, but we're there, you know? Yeah, we're there. You feel the importance of it. You feel the weight of it. Like your conscious opening story. It's over next door. Yeah. Dreams are crazy. I think you try to interpret that story within your own story. It's like, oh, no, that's crazy. At least, at least give it something. You know? I guess then the question is, how much would you sacrifice to that? How much would you like? Let that influence your behavior or like determine what you do or what you're thinking, what you believe? Yeah. You don't back down to your dreams. Yep. I don't know. The dream maker. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. That's because who are you to interpret your dreams with any authority? You know, that's the thing. Unless it comes true, I feel like that's a different feeling. I feel like that's when you're like, God was in my dream. You're like, I know, I know, it's true. I feel like that's a different kind of feeling. But for the most part, if you're going to say like, this meant this and that meant this, and that's because I'm going to get this or that. I shouldn't do this like you just did. You could you could take any take in the it's a 360 angle for what that actually could mean. Like who are you to to be the one to know, you know, so it's almost like your ego trying to, like, just protect yourself by defining your dream into something. You're scaring you with something. So I try to stay away from that as a whole. That's got work. I don't know what we're doing. No idea. And I really no idea. And you need you need to be open to that in every element of that. Yeah. It's important. Yeah. I was thinking about Jordan Peterson. First of all, that's where I feel like I gotta start reading these things to understand him. I mean, he's going in and I'm just like, going in, dude, going dum dum dums. I had to look up what the difference between archetype and trope typical was. Archetypical trope typical. I'm like, are those words interchangeable or like they're different? What was the finding archetypical is like a role. Okay. So like if it's it could be like a Western. It's like an archetypical movie. And then there's like an archetypical hero and an archetypical villain and like, or maybe an archetypical outlaw, they're like, these roles are like. But then a trope typical is like, tropes is like story. And the typical is like typical. So there's like typical stories that happen that are commonly told tropes. Yeah. And so if you're in a story that is like you're trying to say, oh, this is like a trope or typical story because there's other stories that are like this or you've heard this story before, like, this is the story of beauty and the beast, or like this is the Christ like narrative is like, those are those are tropes, you know, so that's true. But then like, yeah, the Christ, the Christ is the is the archetype. And then the Christ like motif is the triple typical. Yeah, yeah. I had do like it's a I felt dumb, I felt weird, I felt like a nerd. I was like, hold on. I got to like take time to understand the difference between the. So I can like further my speech or understand Jordan Peterson. One more level requires me to ask a question like this. And then I was like, okay, I know the difference. Now I'll go back to like, I don't know, try to talk at a high level or like trying to be good at dialog or like, I guess I'm not trying to be good, but trying to be, like as good as I could be at speaking, you know. Yeah. It's better understanding. Yeah. Becoming sharper and as we were getting older but life's getting more, more and more defined and refined. Yeah yeah yeah yeah it's cool, it's cool I, I never stopped sitting with Christ in the Bible. Yeah, yeah. It's nice try to have some more biblical backings and just like, try to be able to have that as more of a foundational, subconscious belief system, you know? Yeah, that's. I gotta be nice or that's that is nice to get to get to that point, I think. I guess you have your own interpretations of it, but there's ideas in there. It's the most archetypical and the most trope, a typical story. So it's like the most are like the highest upward aiming of all of them. You know what I'm saying? Like, ultimately blame was first and to the ultimately harshest punishment. That's, that's that's job, you know, said. Nobody wants what you're saying. Nobody wants to do that or have to go through that. Yeah. No, but it's also like that's job is like a reflection of the Christ like motive too. So it's like, I guess, yeah, even Jesus doesn't want to go through that. Like, literally nobody does. Yeah, that checks out. That's always going to be a part of it. It is in nature, in and of itself. Like that story. It's almost unbelievable. It's because it's a good, transcendent story, which is unbelievable to the person is being transcended on some level, you know, which like, deems that a miracle. There we go. Yeah. Those miracles are things I the things that happen that stand outside of your current understanding of belief and possibility. So yeah possible. Yeah. And like so that's what you're learning that we're learning through Christ right now which is kind of dope. And then also that the scriptures that you have that you hold tight to like help define your belief system because it's one thing to think you and it's another thing to see it backed by Scripture. So as you're trying to figure out how to perceive life as it's going like this kind of I'm trying to say it's like we have to like, use this gospel as protection. Yeah, yeah. And like, lean your understanding on those things because it's like, how should we act? Like there's judges and judicial systems, you know. It's like yeah that won't be like by the Bible. People are like well that's one way to think. And I'm so like that, that's the kind of thing where like it's hard when we're all making decisions or voting or trying to agree on something, but not we can't just be like, use this gospel for our protection. But I guess it's that's part of living in the world as it is. Like that's always how it's been. You know, like the Christian way of life hasn't always been like, true with everybody or something that everyone accepted or we didn't use that as, like tyranny exists or Rome exists and these people are persecuting those people who carry just like these ideals that I'm saying, like we should base all of our decisions on. But like, the world hasn't been doing that, you know. How to do it a mass, I guess maybe not. Oh there's a very. The Western Front was founded on a like a principles. Yeah. I'm, I'm nearly positive I'm like I don't think I remember hearing about that. As far as Charlie Kirk's talking about the Founding fathers. And I forget what, what proportion or what percentage, but nearly all of them were like built upon and believed in, like Christian values and like the Bible and stuff, you know, at least those tendencies, those like mental ideas of what's happening there. People get lost in the minutia. They get lost in the notion. That's where it gets interesting. Sometimes it's sort of minutia, notion. I think, one man's newspaper level three minutia. Like, the ancients may have leveled level that minutia. Yeah. So there's no telling, I guess, If we're ever going to be in a place where we feel like all of our decisions politically and economically are made from a Christian place because of how distorted the industries are and how tyranny always has existed through our time. So I guess it's more about sometimes your position in the story. And I think that's the thing that it's like makes God be able to write, a billion angles. Omniscient Lee from All Time is like, your story is just your story within like so many layers of so much different story happening, but it's so convoluted that it's like, gives it the space to be perfectly unique and tailored to you and still work within what's going on with everything else. And that's cool. That's cool. Yeah. That's our channel. So Lane, that means your life can be more cool than LeBron James life. That's what that means. It seems like that wouldn't be so. But it's actually like like the transcendence that's going to happen within your story. Bears more weight than any story could carry for anybody else. Because it's uniquely for you, like in your story. Yeah. The consciousness you're laying off, I think that's supported by Scripture. I think that's what they're talking about. And Jeremiah 2911, I think that, I think when God says, you knew you before you were in the womb, too, that's another thing that really, I like, try not to stand on that scripture. Cause I'm like it's hard to conceptualize that. Yes. Yeah. I'm saying yeah. Like really like I point to what I'm like, I don't know if I chose to be here or not necessarily. You know, which like this is all random. I just like came in to talk. I'm the product and result of the two people having sex, and I'm just popped into this place and I was going to do what I got to do. Do whatever I want to do whatever. Damn. Davis, question me off what you're saying. So I just I just locked in with you. Yeah. Yeah, it was, when. It's all right. I want to catch it. When we were just talking about it. It comes back like a boomerang. Listen, down under, we do, like, a nice little simple morning thought. Oh, or I leave it in, I weave it in just nice and slow. Weave it in. Well, the thought that punched me was, we're thinking about words. I'm thinking about where it's. Damn, I really don't wanna lose it. But the difference between vise and coping mechanism was something that I also grace because you made me lock in and I was like, oh, this is grace made me lock in asking me what's the difference when those words are like, where's the scale? Or how what's the relation? There? Not talking about dreams where, I'm just talking about words or we're just talking about dreams. No. Like so no. Now I push past, we're talking about conception of thought I need before the womb. Yeah. There we go. Reconceptualize. Yeah. Did I choose to be here necessarily. Yeah. Round down to the idea that there's something, I'm just the result of two people having sex, you know. Yes. Here it's not, it's all random. Like that's random. I didn't control that. I didn't contribute to that. I didn't choose that. It's like no I was chosen for you. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. That's the because who knows? Maybe we signed up to be in here. It's like, you know, to experience life or it's we we willingly chose to separate. Right? And now we're here. We're like, oh, that was dumb. That was silly burger. And maybe we needed to come here, right? I mean, either way, you have a mission and there's something like a purpose for it. It's a core question. I feel like I asked myself that as a kid, a life where it's like, did I did I did I sign up for this? Is that part of what's going on then is all the suffering that I'm doing, like my responsibility or like was I just made and like when I suffer, I'm kind of pissed off that I was made on some level. It's like a core trying to understand how to deal with emotions. I think. Interpreting negative emotions on the storyline. Yeah. Because if you, if I'm just like put here and my story is to suffer innately, that's like then the thing that then whenever, when me hear the story itself is bad and why should I continue. Yeah I'm saying right. Yes. This is the brutal nihilism. Yeah. It's a core question like it happens to you as a human. Like in first person shooter mode, like there's just like. And I'll be like in the shower, like five years old thinking about, like, I sign up for this. What's going on here? So if I like, hey, maybe like eight, I read a couple Harry Potter. So at that point you'll skull. It's, So now I just, I don't know. Yeah. Just read on the freedom, you know. Yeah, dog. Now the Garvey talking, I was talking and I was just like, yeah, more or less like, that's the thought of my head, too. Was also like Harry Potter's dog. Because, like, it's a hero's quest. Like his life is awesome. Who wouldn't want to do that? Who want to want to get up and go to school every day? If you were doing that and then up there, I think that was just tied to like my perception of the world was later down the line. I was able to understand conceptualize that like your life is a hero's call or hero's journey. Those are like why that art hits with us. And maybe that's what God wrote for us with Jeremiah 2911, but also just as a kid, I think some of these feelings that we just naturally feel about life, definitely the nihilism dragon exists like it brushes up against you to say like, is this? Is this worth it? I'm just like, when things go bad, is it worth it? Or you have a bad day? Is it worth it? Or now you have to go to a like school away from your parents? Is it worth it? So then you're like, did I sign up for this? Should I, should I take responsibility? And that question is, I think it's like, I think everyone knows what we're talking about, but maybe not. Yeah. The idea of did I sign up for this? I like being open to that because it is random to an extent, at least in our interpretation. In our scope, it seems a little random. You can't control your family, your parents, many parts of your narrative. You kind of adhere within those structures and limits. Yeah. Was there like a selection process like fallout where I assign my own skill traits. Or like yeah. You know, how come I'm not like richest of rich AF. Yeah. But did I like assign those things to other places that some people get more skill points to use than me or their other lives where you earn currency for skill points? I thought I thought about these things in the shower, you know? Okay, let's go. But all that, I just keep coming back to how these, these cornerstone scriptures are like, give me the answer that I believe, you know. Yeah, yeah. Which is that like, yeah, we were made. We were made by a creator. This is all purpose. Yeah. This is all purpose. Yeah. And it's good. Very good. It's like yeah, that's a that's nice. As I said, all of that to say it's like sometimes what I'm talking about like Christ or like, why should we make a decision based on like a Christian value? I'm just like, how are you interpreting like when I'm touring life? This is like the thing that I think is like the the most ideal, valuable thing that we can interpret as is also what I'm saying is I'm just like, we should do the Christian thing, but it's also like we're talking about conscious action, you know, like how do we frame how we make decisions, the thinking that gives us our output for why we should do anything. It's like some of it's like we're we're wonderfully made. I feel that way about abortion. So honestly, I used to be kind of like indifferent. And this is where I was definitely more of a let people should have control over their own bodies. Yeah. Like, I don't want to take away a woman's right to exercise that. That's her decision. Yeah. Then that's where you start to turn to the line of like free will. Yeah. It's like. How much should we limit our freewill. Right. Right dude. Right. And then Kanye West kind of pointed out that abortion clinics were also like kind of weaponized and like set up and a lot of black communities that set up a culture of like systematically. Yeah, yeah. And which made a culture of black people not having as many babies as maybe that they should have, or having a lifestyle. There's an argument that when you have a baby, it stabilizes a household because, like the weight of the call, the responsibility to raise the baby will help some people to like, put roots down and then invest into the place that they're at. So then the lack of babies and the lack of families and lack of like fatherhood distorted these communities really badly. So systematically, abortion is bad. But also like, how do I feel about when is the baby life? You know, that's a question for sure. We always talked about that in the early 2000. That's a big debate. Yeah, it's a big debating point, right? When does the baby have its own right to not be murdered. And it's like there's also all the when does it become double homicide or whatever you know. Yeah. But yeah if you kill a pregnant lady her friend lady you know there you go. Yeah. When does that come into play. Another angle of the same thing. What do we really believe here. What's all a paper. Yeah. Yeah. Right. These are the questions for like a judicial system to figure out. Right. But when I read the Scripture says I knew you before you were in the womb, I'm like, okay, well, I feel like if you, you know, you should do your best to have that thing that God made, you know. Like, yeah, some, some practices don't work out. But like if you are like, and this is just, you know, also I'm still like, it's your like, you get to exercise your free will. It's the free will thing. Like, I'm not going to tell you what to do with your free will. I think that's wrong. No I ain't no. Yeah. It's a little convoluted. Yeah. Yeah. But for me though personally though you should try to talk about me. Yeah. We're talking about people. We're talking about me. It's like could talk about me. Yeah, talking about you to people. It's convoluted. For me. It's very simple. No, don't do it, man. And that's it. Don't do it. Try to embrace responsibility to the best of your possible. Let it be transcendent in your life. That's the miracle of the child also. It's also, I think, with the birth or like Christmas is lit, that's kind of what it's pointing towards. It's like the beauty of the birth of a child can be transcendent for everything. Completely transcendent. The potential that's entering the world. Yeah. It calls everybody to be their best self. Like I was just thinking about that I was thinking that about Demi when she was a baby. Baby when I was like bring her around to people, it was just like became the thing that I drew. Kind of like as, like someone just watching my own life was just that she would bring out the best in everybody. Like, everybody wanted to, like, stand up and give her best attention and be their best self and be like, very like emotionally, like, transparent and careful. Being graceful, open, loving, forgiving. Like to. She was just like, look, I have a baby. And everyone's like, oh my gosh, she's my best self. And I was like, this is so cool. Right. Yeah. Just like just true love you know true. Like let me let me give my heart out to you. Let me have, let me like experience what this like miracle. You know. So that's why I also just don't believe in, I just, I don't if you asked me to vote on it, I think abortion is bad. You. Bobo. Yeah. So do we make it illegal? Is, this polluted? Okay, so this is where it gets weird, though. Is like, at what point? Yeah. Because, like, I guess if the judicial system is designed to, like, protect free will. That's a higher ideal than, like, executing infringement of free will in the name of the scripture. That's like the issue. Yeah. So the issue everywhere here, should people be allowed to be trolls. We kind of police it you know. Right. Literally have to make a police. There wasn't a lot of crazy cops but but lot of but but yeah what it's policing who's running the environment. What are we talking about. Our country. We shouldn't just let it be rampant and abundant and wherever it, wherever it would be. That's just we can't be. Yeah. We can't let it get to I think it's working with the old or like a lot of the scriptures are pointing to and talking about some of the societal trends and societal motifs of their day, or like they were worshiping Baal or doing whatever this is, or like, being disobedient in whatever regard, like worshiping the golden calf, taking on that energy with their systems and getting two out of whack and losing this like the truth of what's what's they're like, you know what I'm saying? Even before like the legalities are put onto it, man. Now. I was losing it. You're losing the truth of what's there whenever you're trying to have these, decision making based on Christian thinking, enter like the judicial system was trying to decide how we police these things. Yeah, yeah, yeah, a crime in and of itself was like, negative manifestations in and of themselves. Yeah. With America a little bit. Yeah. You're right for sure. For sure. We have to put in laws and then this particular law is like, how much are we inhibiting free will. That's not necessarily like, destructive. Yeah. A criminal harmful, hurtful. Then I guess there's times where the, the, the people who support maximum use of free will versus the people who are trying to insert like Christian practices into the, the law and moral code. Sometimes we just line up like stealing is bad, like we we both just agree on that. I'm going to steal for me. What's there for me? God, yeah, yeah, yeah. We can just like everyone's cool with that, you know? Yeah. So I feel like there's easy ones to set up where there's no, like, push back. Yeah, right. But then it's like the one of the like, it's convoluted when you get to like the death sentence. How we execute that. If we're okay with executing that, what we should do, like their argument is good 100% free will or is are like, we'll kill the Christians might be like, I don't know if we should be killing anybody, to be honest with you. Like, I don't know, I don't know. Is there like, anything else we can do? And there might be like, no, anywhere we put him, ask him yourself. Please come to Christ. No. We'll do it again. Like will. Hey. Well, let me check. And then I was going to commit. Oh, it's like I don't know what the pastor had to do for that guy, you know, or, just the idea, but there's still, like, one final prayer. Meet me at the bucket. Try to exercise that demon. Yeah. That one. Then what do you do? How hard you try for, you know, with your actions. Demon for, like, one year. Sorry. Two years. Well, I've. You. These are signs of progress, so. See, it's stuck, but it's the core of it's the core of, the dispute between the Freewheelers and the Christians. It's because, like, where do you draw these lines? Like, how do you draw them? You know, if you're going to say, we shouldn't kill this guy, we should try to save him. So what's your commitment to doing that time frame was before we should just kill this guy. I guess, like, systematically, we set up a program where we figure out, we dump them in, we dump them so much real remote. So it's like, you know, I feel the need. We put him on an island. We put him on the island with plenty of resources, and we say you should get it out, but if you die, it's on you, bro. What do we do? All. On a bell curve. I lost me out of bell curve. I lost one super villain, okay? No matter what, he's not going to accept Christ, okay? And he's going to decide he wants to keep murdering people. Yeah, like or like, entertain the demons, right? Yes. There you go. Sure. Ipso facto. Yes. It's a these are. Yeah. I have a low resolution thought because this is how it happened since I was like ten years old. Okay. Trying to understand like, at what point would we be like, this guy deserves to die. Yeah. Where's the. Yeah. Where's the line here. Yeah. And I think the Christian answer is like never. I don't think we ever, like, have that power per se. But then I could go into the Bible and see if there were times people were put to death. I mean, God, that's what people would be killing all time. Yeah. You never be slaughtering the me. Slaughtering so. Well, I don't know, is he just slaughtering criminals or, like, showing grace or what? The customs, the cultures were actually watching? David, I guess for this interpretation, understanding, I guess. Yeah. Go on. The war like killing in the Old Testament is definitely, you know, pretty out there. Oh, the plagues. That's the firstborn son killing all the people in the river or whatever. Like after the waters are parted, see? Yeah. You know, people be done all the time. Yeah. That's like that's facts. I just what I always try to go for Grace, but it's like, yeah, you know, we've got we've outlawed the death penalty in like a lot of states. Most states. Right. I think we looked at it before and it was more states that I thought for sure are very looked at. I think it's like 37 maybe, I don't know, like 17, 17 minimum 36 Max, I think 17 somewhere in there. So I can look at the book like I think it's like verify only five left maybe. Oh that don't have death penalty. I think there's only five states that do that. Do the death penalty left. I think. No way. I think I believe at least a little bit higher. Oh we'll see, we'll see. I can be wrong. Yeah. Totally taken. Yeah. You were totally right. How did you did you say having 17 to 34 ish somewhere in there? Yeah. 27 states have the death penalty. Okay. That's like it's over half. I mean, 23 don't. We do this like Texas, Florida, Oklahoma, Missouri. What is executed come under the South. Take him out back. Well, Lassie, dude, it's no wonder that's a Western cliche, bro. Desert, desert out here. Arizona, New Mexico. South, I guess. No other way. Okay. Yeah. The core of what I'm trying to get you to is. When do you. When do you call it? How much do we how much do the Christians have to say? Okay, like exercise your free will and, like, straight from God. And I'll have to live in a culture where that's like the law that's around that we're allowing for a culture. It's like, that's the boundary you place for everybody. Naturally, people are going to drift that way and that creates this feeling of like Christians being like, not I like, I don't know, oppressed on some level or like that. If, like when we talk about Satan's in our culture or watching the Super Bowl halftime show, we're worried about like satanic rituals and stuff and like, you see, like our music and the music that we listen to and, and it's not, it's not great. And then like, what happens in the music industry as far as the super conspiracy theories go versus also just like artists getting taken advantage of for the whole career, you know, and I'll just seems kind of out there, you know, and it's in in the absence of obviously we don't know how to make it there, but it's just like in the culture, you know? So what are we doing? Why are we drifting? Gambling is legalized. Like, what are we? I'm not sure if it feels like the Christians are, you know, they don't take it seriously or they make Christians get made fun of on certain shows. And I don't even know how you're supposed to take it seriously, in the sense it's hard to understand it down to the level of I'm just trying to, like, rely on Jesus as the answer and the way to interact with life. The thing that's beyond the unbelievable. Yeah. And religion is like supposed to be organized, trying to have a relationship with that thing. But I still have to leave the church and then use those principles to like, walk through my day, and then it allows me to manifest better realities. Yeah. It was a yeah. Okay. So the, the reminds me of the end of that Sean Ryan part where he's talking to that Jeremiah guy Shroud of Turin stuff. But he's just had to ask somebody like the very very end. He's like what's, what is like the church. Like what is like where is it? Or like or not, where is it? But like expanded upon the idea of like the church. And he's just like it's the body of believers. It's not a organs like, you know, it's not the body or like a building or a more brick and mortar place. It's not a particular church. It's just like the idea of all the people who are within this group gathering of people who believe this thing for real. Yeah, it's like, that's a church. Yeah. It's a, you know, four walls. Yeah. No. And you can become a part of it at any moment. Yes. Yeah, yeah. The church is referred to in a different way. It's like a church building but Capital Church. Yeah. Yeah. The body of believers. For real. That's us. Yeah. I think that that's the. That's the rub. Sometimes what society right now are there just is a there is a general cultural friction from time to time between like Christian views. And I don't know what you'd call it. The damn sun. I'm just kidding. I like current culture, you know. There's always like a some kind of it's reference to it like every movie or every TV series. I feel like I've, we're seen. It's like it's not just like religion is how we run our politics. You know. Yeah. I think if it kind of was back in the day, you know the idea of free will, you know. Yeah I think back to the idea we mentioning this like how many of the Founding fathers were like Christian principle people. You know, I think it was much more relevant as portrayed to us as much more relevant. Yeah, I forget these actually. Like I would look at that and say it's definitely over half. How many of them were Christian. Yeah. And the founding fathers. Yeah, I would say like 90%. I'm pretty sure that the, the Christian movement was also probably tied up into like, leaving the Britain Union, like, I'm sure I don't know what it was a says well, nearly all of the founding fathers came from Protestant Christian backgrounds, and many were active church members. Historians debate the exact number who held Orthodox Christian beliefs for 29 and 56. Signers of the Declaration of Independence had backgrounds similar to Bible school degrees. Many key founders were considered deist, rationalists, deists, or skeptical of traditional doctrines like the Trinity. So yeah, that's kind of, I think the Protestant movement at that time in Great Britain or wherever it was, was tied up into this idea of America. So probably a lot of those types of people, it seems like based on what happened in history and how they were like, we can find a culture based on these things. They must have like been tied together a little bit, I get that. How much was it escaping Britain's tyranny and how much was it starting a new culture based on Christian values? I'm not sure why they left. How much of it was power hungry. Let's go fucking carve a new land. You can do Elon thing over here. Yeah, we'll say we'll do it in this idea of America already over here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There were Britain people. So it's like, you know. But anyways, it's a convoluted thing. But I do think that they founded it on Christian principles. And so what does that mean. How long did that last. Why do we separate that. Why do we separate. At what point are we the melting pot? We're all states. That's why I don't even like England. It's just like states. Yeah. The states a big place. So all doing their own shit. It's so crazy when you think about it so much. So much so what. It's gonna make some shoes bigger. It's going to gobble up. It's a lot going on in the gobble shop. It's funny. It's like who's is. You'll have our own gobble shop. It it'll it'll always interact with you on the micro level or this like should you do the Christian thing in this moment even though it's going to be like, perhaps not necessarily the thing that on surface level feels like it's going to be the right or best thing, and then it's just like, do that thing out of like obedience or like faith, or because you love God, like your relationship with him, and then you'll manifest a better reality. Took a lot of what Christianity is suggesting. I think there's a portion in the, I think it's thinking, Richard, it's it's a book. I forget which one it's a passage from, but it is. I'm pretty sure it was a quote from one of the Founding Fathers. I think maybe in reference to a letter they think got from Britain or like his response to it. And he was very like, yeah, like faith based as far as kind of his approach to it, I forget exact I'm still kind of real quick. Do we have the we have the entirety of everything right here. You know, some people would kill for this back in the day saying you're a wizard. You know what I mean? It it came. Give it back. You have a fucking want. Yeah. Jazz. I feel like the other day she was just, just, like, showing what a junebug looks like, or just like, you know. So she's, like, asking her phone, like, questions over having a conversation. I was like, this up. That's crazy. Right? Yeah. I'd pull up the actual sketch for Easter. Yeah. I was like, you know, I remember playing with an etch A sketch, like, oh, break a Game Boy. Been crazy, you know, revolutionary, revolutionary, game changer, game changer, insane Pokemon. I was so sick, I was looking up, you were. You were going to look up. The, Yeah. The Christian or. I think it's thinking grow rich. Little. Jordan Peterson just goes off to books or books or crazy. I forgot, I forgot. I to write a book called how should I act? Oh, you got it. That was. Yeah. I think we saw in that book I was in different rooms at the time. I thought I had another thought, though deeper on that. Like, what's the what's the narrative? What? What's the truth behind the narrative that we're told as far as the Founding fathers and like, building off these Christian beliefs or power hungry or like unrighteous rebellion versus like righteous rebellion. Yes. You know, we were built for sure. And moving out, dad, we moved out. Come home for dinner. No. Not these are tropes. These are tropes beyond us. So I'm saying. My my brain wants to naturally just plug in the thing where it's like our story is just set within, like these settings that are such, these tropes that are within tropes and tropes beyond us. Like, we're in a rebellion country that's filled with like, you're going to literally have your kids storming off or singing off to a party, and then you going to think about how the devil rebelled against God. And that's how it was like started this whole war causing all this stuff. So it's like, but still you're going to have like your narrative going forward, propelling through that transcending Easter time. But yeah, rebellion is. It's crazy how we yeah, we do what we don't want. You know. Yeah. And don't do what you want to do. Yeah. There's a constant struggle to classify biblical. Yeah. Spin bars say oh, no, I feel that. Yeah. See, I, I feel that dog world is a. Yeah I interpret life like that too. Like it is that way. If I were understanding what you're expressing, like expressing that, it's like I would also use those words to express that same feeling or thought. Yeah, same energy or a manifestation of narrative interpretation. Yeah. Like, oh yeah, I know what that feels like. I've heard a lot of people say that's a tough scripture for them. I don't it's a lot of people hard that's up there. It happens because that's the fight. Like that's the thing every day. That's the thing the gravity or the urge or the entropy trying to dissuade you from doing the ultimate thing. So yeah. How much of it was. True rebellion versus you know selfish rebellion. How do we handle it. We weren't there. We don't know what the, what the country specifically will never know. I was watching the show but even that wasn't that time. Oh and it's like what are we going to read? You don't read history books are like, we only have so much to so many publications from that time are still like viewable where I can like read the what was going on like try to understand their culture and context, you know, and even if those if those are falsified, then it's like you're lost, bro. Because you could do that I guess you could like try to understand culturally where things were. I guess what you journalists would do, try to interview some people at the time, some of them if you for I guess we're pretty far removed. How old is that, 70. 76. Yeah. The, founding fathers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's forever. That's a long time. That's far. That's a big one. Like nobody's grandpa saw that? No, not even close. Yeah. Nobody's great. Yeah. Duh. Like, if your great grandpa was a historian, you still don't reach far back into. No, not close to. There you go. So, no, you're not getting there. So it could be just completely. That's funny, because they say, like, there's more evidence for Jesus than Alexander the Great. And I'm like, how much stock do we put in Alexander the Great I start to put it in anything. Right. Yeah. Well he's to the many significance of what it represents. Right. Right. How much of it matters. Yeah. Once I saw Alexander the Great let him have it. It's fine. There. That is what I do. You're saying. Oh maybe like yeah. This is an ask ask anything of me. Yeah. There's like oh this one is like this one to something pretty big. Yeah. All of you actually you don't even exist. You're welcome for existing. Whoa. What? I know you don't get it. Okay, that's life in a nutshell. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. That's it. Dude. And it's cool your relationship with Christ, it's like the allows you to see that gives you guidestones to understand it, to make decisions based off of. Even though you can't understand it. It's kind of nice. Transcends your understanding bro. I mean not in your own understanding bro. That's. Yeah. Yeah. Because who are you to interpret anything. That's, that's the problem with life. It's like you kind of just have to. On one hand you are a narrative. You are a person. God made you this person to feel this thing. So when you find your truth like that is your time to interpret, you know, I think that's the purpose of you. But otherwise, you know, God's understanding because we're limited. Yeah. Super limited. What is limited? Limited edition. Oh, dream bro. Okay. Yeah. I can't even fly, I can't fly. I never been able to superman around. I'm able to jump. Sometimes some leaps and bounds. I've been through it before for sure. Or for. Yeah, I think I may have than the pod already, but there was a dream definitely where I was. You and I were walking to the rec center at Texas State and then in the middle of the walk to the rec center, I was just like, oh, dreaming, dude. I was like, nice. What's, what do you want to go? Then I was like, yeah. Then I took us to mentally took us to, It looks like there's a level and portion within the game of Kingdom Hearts where you're in the Aladdin world, and then you, like, you're fighting in, like, you're you're traversing through the world. It's like this, when you go into the lion's mouth, I'm pretty sure. Yeah. And then there's a portion wherever. If you fall off of a certain part of it, you fall down into, like this bleak and black, like dark and black and blue place with, like, water. And then, it's like little icicle or like little ice path. So it looks like, you know, but it's like more or less completely black and, like, really dark blue and just like water. And so and I have took us, like, there in my mind mentally when after I was like, okay, let's change this now. So where do you want to go? And I was like, oh, this is like. And then eventually I was like, this is kind of weird. And that took us to Vegas, but I sure did. The other thing that's in the lion's mouth is like, the treasure room. Yeah, that's that's where I thought you were going to describe. But instead you describe, like what sounded like the flooded basement. Yeah. Which is archetypical no trope, a typical in dreams. I know the difference. Yeah. The pure. I mean, yeah, like the, the bottom of the. Creative capability. It's like it was, it was too much control. Like, oh I don't I don't know how to do or like wait, this is where did I take this? I took it to the place of like possibility. So from here we can, we can create, we can go from here. Yeah. Yeah. You're saying from a void is wherever the void. There we go. I went to the void. Yeah. Okay cool. Yeah that's biblical bro. Yeah. Yeah that's a start of yeah. That's kind of what I thought of when I woke up out of it afterwards. I was like, that was where I didn't. Just like, I had to go to the void first. Like, I create through it instead of just, like going right to where I was like, have a good time. And then it was like, now you need more control than that. I think, whoa, I'm tripping. You need more specificity than that. Yeah. I was just like, oh, okay. Well, let's go here. You know, saying. Even deeper now that's cool. We went to Vegas too, because that's also like the reflection of the program. Well I give it up. Well I was hoping when you were telling the story we were going to go next door to where the, the treasure room was that. Yeah. And then you're like and then we went to Vegas and I'm like oh it's like right there you know. It's like I didn't even like fit like remember consciously remember that part of the the Vegas portion, you know, saying after I decided to take us to Vegas and I just became lucid enough to go there and then they send us there. Yeah. That's I then I woke up and I was like, okay, that was weird. That's cool though. Yeah. Yeah. You know, so it's nothing. Yeah, maybe it is. What do you remember that? How long did that happen? Oh, a long time. Yeah. November was sure to. Where last Sunday, you know, like, I could maybe think of it, but like those things like stick with you. That's a weird thing. Timestamp in in your imagination the memory banks. The void is a funny place. It's funny that we have that going to the prize room. Our treasure room. It just feels like there's not supermen around. There's limits and structures. What's your objective. Oh we want to like. Yeah. Right. So you were teleporting? That's kind of why we want to create. Create? Yeah. What do you want to go. Do you want to do my brain? Can you go to there those things there's like superpowers to like you have different superpowers. You can teleport if you're working on flying, you have telepathic, which is crazy. I don't think I'm a ground type. I've never worked on telepathy in a dream or like that. Feels like psychic type or something. You know, I've done other stuff in my dreams that I thought, like, I had the month where I could punch and be a fighting type. Yeah, only dog in my chair. Like, normally when you try to throw a punch, it's like, slo mo. Same feeling when you try to run in your dream. Yeah. You know, I like a physical, like, coordinated physical body. I've just, like, run like it. Yeah, yeah. It takes it's a different level and layer because when we just went in your unconscious land, you could just do that. No problem. It was then you have a lot more conscious control of your physical body, I guess. Yeah. More present. Yeah. For sure. You're more tethered into the reality or like the perceived reality from the other side. You're far enough detached to where you need additional points or additional moves and mechanics to get you to operate within that how you want to go. Yeah. To execute in this narrative like oh I can do something. Yeah. Yeah. How do I execute my free will in this subconscious narrative. Right. Yeah. There's times where like I wanted to run to catch something or stop something from happening or like execute action Run. And then it was like, that wasn't in the script. Like I supposed to just like suffer or whatever it is, you know, like that you're supposed to lose that. And I'm like, no, I can give effort to like a part of the story is that you don't know how to do that. Yeah, right. So you're trying to run, you're like, what's happening with my body? Try to punch someone is like, What? Yeah. Had run of dreams. You just dick people. Yeah, yeah, it was sort of like, into the shadow realm. It's like that kind of. Oh, cool. So something happened where it was like, there's a castle on the hill. And I realized that, like, it's happening. Like the world is ending. Like Gandalf is taking over again and Dwarf Cave again. It was crazy. That's a crazy monster to think about now. But like, like, the climax is climaxing, and I need to. I need a gun. It's like the fucking what I realized. So I go to, like, this picnic table, and then it's like three bad guys. We're going to, like, hurt this girl because the end times were happening. So I just, like, punch the shit out of them. Yeah, I remember all three. The very first I was like, I was like, I would be in trouble if I could have just. But oh, did. And there was something in my mind that was like, Holy shit, you can punch, bro. This is not you swang day. Normally this never. I was like, lovey, test it out with like, conscious. Like I can punch in the stream. But still I put some amoeba in this one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I was like, oh, that's nutty. And then I had a gun. And then I was like, back to the story. I got to go save the princess or something. I don't know, it's like Legend of Zelda dog. Yeah. I was like climbing up the platforms of the broken world to get to the castle so I could get into the castle so I could, like. And then clean up the mess. I don't know what that was. What was going on in the dream? Dinner reservations for three. But yeah, more or less. There was then for like a month after that, I could punch people in my dreams. So that felt like a a weird thing that, like, came and went, like, I'm not sure what that was, you know. Telepathy control though. Never never had that one. That's pretty fine. You know it was cool I remember feel like that was a good one. That was cool. I felt like ground type for you because you had that dream too about being in the basement with like the shovel and the. Yeah. Yeah. And like the excavation site. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is like an excavation site where I was getting down into the whatever. The ground didn't even look like ground. It was more like, no, don't think about it. It wasn't it didn't have true traditional, like, human architecture on it as far as, like human nature on it. It was more like blue, like black blocks or like very geometric and very like linear. Okay. There's like the like the dig site that we were in was like a pure rectangular prism, you know, sand with a couple. It was all like pixelated, like one by one cubes built this world okay with you? That's that's a nice detail. Never told me that. Yeah. And I wasn't like, true dig site. Really. You know, so I guess, like, I could see kind of both, you know, saying it look like a dig site, but that's what it was, is, was a picture of a dig site. You get it? Yeah. This is representing yourself to me as I dig site. But like, this thing is linear and geometric. Yeah, I've heard that it was in the bottom corner of the book because like opened up in a more geometric, like a tomb or like a video game. You know, I'm saying like there's like a, like a, like a. Yeah, it's like a video game POV. You kind of I was like, okay, this is like a whole nother thing. I kind of like, go look around and explore and I'll do that later. Yeah, yeah that's fine. That's cool. Dream. I don't know if if dreams represent something and then these weighted dreams perhaps represent more, you know, that's as far as I can get as interpreting. Just trying to. But that's what I'm saying is sometimes that's that's where intuition is, because it's like, I think that's part of you perceiving something happening before it's happening is these dreams are also working in that place where it's like your gut is also has a learning model, and then your intuition can, like, have worked out a good learning model that's able to tell you things. And you can have a good relationship with intuition to where you're able to like, see around the corner. That makes sense. That's some that's some. Sheesh. Right there. That's some. Sheesh. I don't know why that that is fascinating thing. You know I feel like really fascinated by our dreams. I don't talk about it like that. Yeah I don't really know like that. And like you can't even I guess there's a nice I'm trying to maintain even before the interpretation of of the dream, I guess always trying to construe it in a positive way regardless, or trying to make it seem as if it could be helpful or it could be something. Or maybe it's not regardless, but like if it is hopefully like something like good and prophetic or something that's going to help my story, you know, trying to maintain the, the that's kind of what you going to do anyway. And conscious like two names I try to like just has this house and guys plans like how can I give God this or how can I make this not negative. You know, I'm saying yeah, yeah, I felt it, I felt it. How can I bear the suffering of this? Yes. How do I how do I get this to God? Or how do I act in accordance with God's will? How do I sacrifice my own life right now? What is my well? What is it that I want? What is it that God wants? So it's like a whole interpreting process. And I felt that super heavy yesterday. Just like the feeling of like because when you're like, what should I do? God. It guys like, know you two thoughts on you. You're like, well, Jesus, do. Yeah. Like, that's that's what it feels like when you're just trying to figure out, like, because it's like there's only one way forward. That's the thing. You can take it all the way away from the relationship with God. If you need to, and then just look at it as like when you're trying to figure out the best way forward. It's like literally if you could like and to figure out what God would want for you in this moment, no matter of all the possibilities of you using your free will, you can interpret like the right thing to do for things to like, go forward in a positive manner, in a linear manner that like makes sense with itself and creates like a narrative helps the narrative. So you're not in chaos at all. And that's a bigger that's a bigger existential problem than like your relationship with Christ. And in all reality, like that's what it does. Yeah. He's talking about I'm pretty sure it's like that poor execution of free will can manifest. Not only like random chaos, but like linear negative story trajectory chaos, like the opposite of like a good life, like a bad life. And the fact that those things are real are like a problem for all of you. You all need to recognize that regardless of how you feel about a Jesus. So we get both of that. We get all of that from God, which is super nice. And then it's also like now like not going what the Christian value might be a part of this thing that creates this negative bad story. And that's like a problem for the Christians, you know, because we all gotta live in this moment. You know, it's like we are here living for real. You can't have one every day. We got one. We have a couple. Gobble, gobble. But Christ is the answer to everything. It's like it doesn't matter. Yeah that's right. Yeah. It's Proverbs 356 for the trust in the Lord with all your heart. And do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him and he'll. Makers make straight your paths, your own understanding that you know, maximize it. But even then to lean on it like don't stand on it fully. You say it. It feels so weird because it's like, that's the thing I'm really starting to get from this podcast. The thing that I took away is like, I think I've been taken away for a couple weeks. It's hard to explain myself, but I'm kind of seeing it now. It's like you're always in the story first person mode. It's like when we think about things like you're not thinking about them in first person story mode, like you think about it, and then you go back to first person story mode. And like that translation is like a barrier. And I think that's what dreams are kind of alluding to, to like, even whenever you're in a place where these things are like, the representation just is the thing you still like can't just like fly. You're still like, you're like, I know I'm in a dream, but I'm still, like, stuck in a person, you know? And so I think, like, maybe the idea of us slowly gaining more free will within our dreams is like this out here. It's kind of the same thing. Like more will to have agency in this life to, like, not do exactly what the first person would do. But if because we can act more Christ like in a way that would make things better. But that's sometimes it's like, I can't run like, I know I should run, but I can't even use my legs or like, I have to fight right now, but I can't use my hands. And then like, it manifests out there that way. That seems that seems on the money for me. It seems like what's going on here. The same way it takes discipline to an act to your self-will and the conscious, it takes some discipline to enact your subconscious will as well. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. No. And your ability to develop it and the conscious one is like your only bet. And then if you do it here then you could do it there. That's bars dude. That's bars. Because yeah, ultimately because like, the thing that I was trying to say at the beginning was that, Because you have to be in this story like you are going to be here. This is like, it's not this is what you exist in. You exist. You can't, when you dream, you're driving and when you're thinking, you're thinking, but when you're not going to do those things like eventually what you're natural, you're going to come back to, like, being in this thing. So you're going to have to act and you're going to have to. And no matter how much you think about the things, there's like a barrier to like you and acting and doing that and going down the storyline and stuff. I think there's like, I'm understanding that separation now and why it's so important to try to like, I don't know, figure out what your dreams means, if that helps you or it doesn't help you. Try to figure out how to act, because if you act properly, is only way to have a proper relationship with Christ and then build the story or make it better or whatever, it's like it's all happening so fast. Get it playing DDR. It's like, yeah, touch all the things. Like all of them work together. Here do. And dreams be making you a busted blessed. It happens. Bro. I've. I've had to. I think in my life I was like, just thinking about the back of my mind. Like, how crazy is that? And then, like, the thought transitioned. I transitioned into. This is it's a, sleepwalking. If you will be sleepwalking. For real? For real. You can talk in your sleep. Can you die in your sleep or, like, die from a nightmare? Specifically, people die in their sleep like they die from your sleep. Like they get a heart attack because they're so scared. Yeah. Something happens. I think I've ever seen that in, like, 100 Ways to Die or Thousand Ways to Die. Whatever this stupid show was on spike when I was a kid. I could buy it. I could buy it. Dreams are insane. Still make food in their dreams. Yeah. People sleep, cook, get in their car for it. Sorry, people. Are this dude streaming in his car? I don't know, people are crazy, but that's real though. Like, they really like we. We dream that real. Like they really did that. Like, how did they really do that? Yeah, they were what what happened selected to me. What do you believe happened to this sleepwalking. Yes. I think they're subconscious. Took over their conscious body. But there is a subconscious that can take over your conscious body. And what is that subconscious? Where is that coming from? That's. That's the place where the angels of demons be. It's a part of the you essentially, maybe loosely. Oh, maybe that's the conceptualization of angels and demons because like in your subconscious, you. What would angels and demons represent like the right way forward or the selfish way forward? Things to make this place a little bit more like hell or not. Right? Right. Like more like heaven. And maybe those those two options are so fundamental to our subconscious that we're willing to that the concept of them does exist, and then we interpret it as angels and demons. And then it turns out that the interpretation of the concept is more real than like actual angels. And demons, like being around the corner, like the, like the the concept itself is, is scary enough like to be what it is, what we're reading about it in the Bible. I feel like maybe that's kind of what we're talking about. I don't know how many demons are taking over bodies, except for the fact that possession was in the Bible, so that's crazy. I was I was thinking about that the other day. I was like, if you believe in Jesus, you definitely believe in possession or like the demons, you know, just because what the historically document was, it cast them out. Right. What was it casting out? Oh, you said if you do believe in Jesus, you. Yeah. Exactly. Right. Like yeah. It was part of the miracles he was doing. So there's more going on. It's it's out there bro. It's all going on. We're here. We're here for real. You're here for real I, we love you and I love you. It's a love story, you know? Yeah, right. What do you mean? Between us and God. Yeah. Everything. Yeah, yeah. Christ's love story. Yeah. It's good, it's very good. It's all purpose. Yeah. All these things play into, like, our belief system. It's like we'll believe you don't say. Or it's like, that's a if you're part of the church, you act as if that is true. Way more so than just attended church. That's what your a that we talk about. Yeah, yeah. It gets hard for me to conceptualize it like that every day when life is just life and energy like 40 days in a row. It's hard to say that like, yeah, like like, are you Christian? Yeah, I've been baptized. I go to church, I do, do, I do excellent. It's like it's it's that. But are you a part of the church, though? You feel me? You feel me? I think people could be a part of the church, though. Yeah. What does that look like, being a part of your local church? Being engaged. But just like I think you have, like, I guess more so, embodying and acting out the more forgiving perspective was more understanding and gracious and self-sacrificing. Yeah. Like strong and courageous personality type or actions and behaviors in the story. Yeah. Yeah. That's the way forward. That's the way to do it. It's the only way. And you get disconnected from just doing that because you're just stuck in first person mode. I going Ramsey happened. That's kind of what I lost. I took all I know. Yeah I was just with you and I just felt the person I was touching on some concepts here. Sleeping is too much. All of this. You can't do it all. Yeah. Life is far less. We get better. Also I push to love story. It is a love story. All purpose. Why not just believe that? Because it's just. Yeah, I feel like. Why push against that? One thing is definitely. I think because you have to work every day. Yeah, that's the thing. Exactly. And it's it's constant. It's constant. That's the thing about the suffering is that it's constant that you wake up every day and it's like the same, the same, the same, the same. And if it's terrible, it's terrible or uncomfortable living in the separation from God. Yeah, I think that that's the otherwise it's like, why not the following broken world? If life was just awesome all the time and we're like, hey, somebody made this, and, he loves you, and he made this on purpose for you, and your life is awesome. Maybe like, that makes sense to me. That's cool. Dude. Like, I'm into that. What is what is he like? Like it's super cool, dude. He's awesome. Good, dude. Yeah. We would be like, I don't think I think we'd be more receptive on base. I think it's the suffering that makes us to be like, bad debt. Yeah, right. Right. This. Rebel, right? Yeah. That's also this only option because you are like here are you not you know, you were made. No. You're there. There you go. Being you existing you were made. You okay. That's undeniable. Digesting food, experiencing life, passing time by hearing things with audio on your ears. Watching things on YouTube like this. Yeah. There you are. Hearts beating, breathing the whole time. Yeah, we do none of that. You ain't doing none of that. You just sit and listen and breath. There's a part of you that's sitting, listening in the party, that's sitting in listening. You know, if you feel me. Yeah. Sometimes you could like, you can feel the distance between that and you're like, oh, I need to rewind that. I never wanted that. I wasn't in sync with, like the thing listening and hearing the audio, the thing truly interpreting the audio, like reading over a page again, like, okay, I wasn't there. I wasn't in it. Like, hold on a second there. You go back and read that whole paragraph. Yeah. I didn't even have any of that mentally captured. That's a very real thing. Yeah. Happens what I'm listening a massive meeting. It's a problem. It's the same thing is when you're reading a book and you, like, didn't read the page, like just you know, and you'll be like, no, I can't flip the page. Like, I don't even know what just happened, you know, you know that in line with the narrative anymore. But Maps of Meaning is just like going on the audiobook. So if I missed like 4 or 5 seconds, I'm like, font wrong. I like rewind this, do do do do do do do do. Yeah, it's a real thing. We're there, you're there. And the sufferings like are the sucks. This is stupid. This is not good. Not good at all. Let me make sure that's true. And then I'll make you rebel. Okay. So from the suffering just from what. Understandable pain is paying for real. Pain is paying for real. But it's already painful. That's that's the thing. Every second away from God. It's like suffering. That's why we live you. And you're gonna make that even worse and more suffering to that in the separation. Because in spite of the separation, it's like maybe we chose to be here. That's it. There. I think we are. Right. Right, right. It's possible. It seems biblically backed. Yeah, it seems more unspecific. There's more to gamble. If you believe that, it's easier to just think that you live in a pool of random chaos, I guess. Yeah. A pseudo argument like evolution. It is true, though. It is kind of random in our interpretation a lot of the times. Yeah, we can add structure to it, but there are things are there undeniably random with our own interpretations. Yeah. You're things that we accept that we can't control all the time. We do our best things. Yeah, things just happen. They're written and tailored for your purpose, which is beyond your conceptualization of your story. At this given point in time, yeah. Yes. You'll know the coming chapters, my friend. Yeah. What they could be. Right. So like, random is like a process of becoming and being at the same time, always. Yes. In the same continuous items. Yeah. I think that that position makes it hard for us just to like, execute or have a relationship with God or execute our free will. The greatest all the time is because there's like a separation there between existing and becoming. Yeah, no need to make it any worse than it has to be. That's a big thing. Yeah. So Pearson's about to duh. It should be a duh, but that's fine. Yeah. Free will is fine. The free will to rebel. And then the free will to love is like the same kind of flip sides of the same coin for doing it. Because like, you're obedient and you like, love me will like give love a give a more truthful and definitive and connected like line to the energy. Yeah. You know, I'm saying we're lucky to have the story of the prodigal son because of that. He's like, loved and brought back and embraced. It's just like if rebellions in your nature, because it also helps to build obedience, then thank God that he's not mad. When we do that. You know? Yeah, that I want to also have the people out. Yeah, totally. Fine. Let him out here. Oh 27 we love you. What you guys, I hope you enjoy dream talk. Keep it moving. Keep trying to understand life. Happy Easter. Happy for today's resurrection and the resurrection time. What do you do with resurrection time? Just shoot at miracles, you know. Shoot for miracles. Churches and books I love it. I go for something big, walk towards it. Well, love you, love you, see you in a billion years