How To Get Your FIRE BACK | Why Responsibility Gives Life Meaning | The MJ38 Show #128

What do you do when you finally feel your spirit come back to life?

In this episode of The MJ38 Show, we talk about peace after anxiety, renewed purpose, and the kind of fire that makes you want to attack life again. After a long season of pressure, stress, responsibility, and survival mode, this conversation explores what it means to feel engaged with life again — and why meaning seems to grow when you willingly take on responsibility.

We also dive into deeper questions around nihilism, discipline, truth, competence, faith, Jordan Peterson, Christianity, and how to actually act in a broken world.

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This episode is about more than motivation. It’s about:

Why responsibility gives life meaning
How peace can return after long periods of anxiety
The relationship between effort, suffering, and purpose
Competence hierarchies and why people crave them
Why nihilism is tempting
Why speaking life matters more than being cynical
How small disciplined choices turn into major life change
How faith and action shape your story

If you’ve been trying to get your fire back, find meaning, or make sense of the pressure in your life, this episode is for you.

The MJ38 Show is where faith, culture, psychology, personal growth, and real life collide in honest conversation.

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Boy cookin’ Sometimes I get real. Lately. Lately I've been reinvigorated in my spirit. I'm smart. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. There was a day to two things. One day I came home. I sat down and I felt good. Yeah. Like. No. Same chair, same parchment. But like, zero anxiety, zero depression. Peace. Peace. I felt the feeling that hit me. It was a new feeling. It was like. It felt good. Okay. It's even harder to find you right now. Get in there. Like, cheaply. Cheaply. I want to say it felt like a warm wave. I know, like you're sitting on a beach and a wave hit you. But it was a hot tub wave. It felt good. Oh, and that's that's me cheaply trying to describe what this feeling felt like because it was beautiful. And I just took, like, not even a full, a full lean back, but just like a light, lean back. And I was like, I'm good. Like I'm good. Like, things are gonna. I just solved. Like I just killed like a like a triple headed dragon. And then, like, now, I don't have that in my equation anymore. And I just, like, proved it to myself by, like, the work, like working a week or something like that, and like, everything happened and things were aligning and I was like, oh, like I'm good. Like, oh man, that's nice. So that's the name for my spirit. That was like something real. So pass and understanding. The next thought was it's been it's been like two years since I didn't feel like depression or anxiety because it was just like the baby and then blue and then the new job and like then it was just like so much for so long. Just fight and fighting for my life with a little bit of anxiety every day, which probably everybody has. You know what I mean? But you can do things to overcome that. But it was just too big of a dragon for me to do that daily. So it's like constant anxiety about, you know, I have a baby, have a kid. Life. Yeah. Like for life. Yeah. It's coming. It's coming through you. But sometimes it feels like screaming at you. Oh drama from all angles and sides. Yeah that's. That was the boy that kept playing in my head over and over. I was just like, Jake knows what this is like. Pressure. I feel like someone from all angles. And so as soon as you're like, okay, I got it, it's like, oh, there's another hole. It's like fort, bro. But anyway, it's intense in the closet. Okay. I felt good. And then the other thing is like, I'm just fired up again. Last week, I felt it. I felt like the Kobe energy of, like, I couldn't. I didn't sleep one night, just. No. Why? Why not? Oh, me. I was too excited to execute my next day. Okay, I feel you. I was, like, almost a little manic. Probably. I was fired up, bro. What is this? This is, Monday, going into Tuesday. Okay. Top of the week. Top of the morning. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had the suit laid out. I had the gym bag packed. I had breakfast laid out. I had lunch packed. There was no more prep to do. Oh, I got my start in a six Pokemon. I'm rolling through right now. Glory road dog. Yeah. And then I knew sleep was important. Like critical. Right? So I could yield my mind. Wild my mind. Because sometimes you can't wield your own mind. Flex and then yield your own mind. That was hard. Yeah, yeah, that's. You know, that's hard. The only way to wield it. Yeah. Oh. And, so I put my head on the pillow, no phone. And I laid there for 5.5 hours for sure. I counted at least that many just eyes closed on the pillow, trying to. Trying to catch some Z's. And then I just woke up and rolled. Dude, it was like daycare gym work four hours early. Let's knock out a project. Good morning I'm here. Let's cook. And then followed by hard work all night cook could cook cook and got home. I don't think it was related but okay. So yeah I guess just like that's coming from a fire I got in my chest. I got a fire in there. I got the it's a Kobe feeling. That's what I felt all night. I was just like I used to like two weeks ago. I was like, man, how did I work out in the middle of the how? Why was I doing squat? It's who I am after work sometimes had a true fit. Like, what the fuck? Like, now I'm like, I don't have that much willpower. But that was something different. What was like, I'm not trying to work out. It's who I am. I'll try to squat at 2 a.m.. It's like if I don't work out in the morning, that's on me. But I was just like on a different, different mode, different energy. And then but I felt that thing again that was just like, nah, dude. Like go crazy, go crazy, go crazy. You've got something to prove. You're finally engaged again, bro. You're finally like, not, I don't know, like your new question, which is cool, but it's just like there was no hooping. There was no, we weren't hoping. Nobody was hoping. We weren't be playing basketball. I'll show up to a gym ready to play basketball, unlike the structure I was existing in, was like had contorted it into something else. And then once it was like, we're playing basketball again and you're ready to hoop again, I was like, oh my gosh, yes, I forget like noise. Two like things matter again and I'm winning things that matter. That's a different kind of dopamine. Maybe. So anyways yeah I'm fucking lit right now I don't know what it is. There's something about you know like the challenge, the occasion to rise to. I remember feeling that to a degree whenever I was that like Dave Brown a long long time ago. And they have a system where to pool and it's split out into like three different ranks of servers and same thing with software. I have a similar structuring. Whenever you come in as far as like a tiered system of the hierarchy of what is being a server here and then walking into Jay Prime and being starting at whatever, 85%, and then you go to or is it 1995 100? Either way, yeah, but broken into percentages. And then ideally you want to be 100% server. You know, I'm saying yeah, I want to be making 100%. That's it for money. I'm sure most of you worry about that. Yeah. Get get more points towards my total expenditure based on this. Who've here. We're hoping. Right. Is that what we're doing? Competence based I'll try to do. Yeah for sure the. Yeah everyone craves that. It's what are it's what we're attuned to. Everything else is manipulation almost. But anyways. The human part is are. Yeah. The hope hoping parts of what we're talking about. It's like there was a game to. Oh not a ladder to climb. I was even just being in a competence based dominance hierarchy where things make sense. I'm like okay. Like getting bugs matters. Playing defense matters. Like we're like coming in with intention to do. We're finally going to. It was just like chaotic survival before, I think structured travel through time in a competence based dominance hierarchy for profitability is like pretty much every successful business model. And, I think it's important, is definitely something that is polarizing when you just hear it out loud. I think we crave that, which is what we everything exists in it. I think that's, that's the thing. Yeah. That's the thing. So I think things make sense when we crave when that makes sense. Yeah. And is reflective of the truth. Yes. Yeah. You our eyes or you know honest honesty and integrity. Whenever those things, whenever we made those words, whatever those are pointing to those saying those words are pointing towards an idea or behavior or something, honesty and integrity. And if we can like, try to build our game here, our competence hierarchy, that's just, that's ever present in everything, then we can, maybe could get it to be nice enough to work for everybody and be beneficial for everybody. And, yeah, I mean, I guess I'll see integrity working for that and buying those ideas, working. Yes, yes. And we yeah. When we're in the confidence or the competence dominance like getting the job done, seeing around the corner like predicting the future. That's very abstract. But getting the job done I think is super relatable. But I think it is seeing that. Yeah that at a Marduk level that's exactly what you're doing. You know. Yeah. But for people in their everyday life, it's like being asked to be the best at my job or be better at what I do or like, get good at it or get the job done. It's like to be engaged with this. It's difficult or I'm not winning that game. So I'm going to have a position in the dominance hierarchy that I don't like. And then I think that thing is like bear more responsibility and you could climb up higher up the competence dominance hierarchy. It's like just like Canberra. Yeah. And the meaning that that will provide will be more worth than anything. The most valuable thing, the worth you can derive from the meaning he can derive from your life and your story, you know. Yes, yes. Sigma responsibility. We're going to talk about that here a little bit. This is facts. Yeah. The responsibility to give someone's life more meaning. I'm like, basically what? I went to college courses. Yes. And I'm talking about Jordan Peterson University. Okay. JJ, you plug, but yeah, it's like the text clearly says, like just baseline. Yes. 12 years of life. Like, spends its book arguing that argument. But then I'm trying to think of my own like context for does responsibility give your life more meaning? I definitely say, doesn't my baby for sure? Definitely. I think just when you put more effort into something, the outcome means more to you. That seems obvious to me when you feel I went into it more effort into something that yeah, the outcome means more to you one way or the other. Like good or bad. Like the battle hit harder, the good a feel better if you put more effort into it. Yeah. That's why you avoid trying anything at all, you know, saying. Right? Right. Good. Not this never failed. Yeah. Never failed. Right? Right. Are these things absolute truth? Like. Yeah, I believe so I most certainly what's up. Rules for life argument is about antidote to chaos. Yeah. Adopting responsibility gives your life more meaning. I forget I'm not sure exactly how he speaks on that exactly specific topic but I, you know I can I suppose just scientifically it's like if you're, it's like you're making a sacrifice, like you're going to bear more responsibility, which is going to cut into the year like time that you already spend doing your life. So then if you're going to bear more responsibility we're going to cut and take some of that. It's like how does that thing make my life more meaningful. Well literally you have less to spend everywhere else. So each one is going to matter more on a baseline level. Yeah I have so much of yourself to get computing storage space in your, in your mentality. Yes. Yeah. If you're official with that you know you're not trying to waste that to a sacrifice. This is a good core question because it's a core belief about this responsibility. More responsibility. Give your life more meaning. Like what does that mean itself? Enough. I think so you're just more invested. You're more engaged, more in there, man. Yeah. Affects what you do is big. You know, what you do is huge. As far as it's a it's a true reflection of what you believe, you know, and the dissociation we have between what we think, what we believe. And Romans 718 and 19 to 20 take the good I do, I don't do good, I will to do, I don't do, and I'll be doing the evil I don't want to do. Yeah. It's like, or I'll deal with that. I think I just connected to, life requires responsibility itself. The call to adventure requires responsibility. Yes. Like you're your maintenance. That's what it is. Yeah, yeah. They call to bear responsibility for real, right? And that that is like you. You're either doing that or you're not doing that. You're either upholding that or you're doing a poor job upholding that. But it requires responsibility to like it is a responsibility, you know? So adopting the responsibility of your life is critically important, and it will give your life more meaning as the only meaning, as the only source of true meaning, I think. Yeah, to be derived. Right? Yeah. Anything else to read from anything else is not, you know, it's a, it's a shader that and we can only get so close anyway, you can watch a movie and say, is this so I drive. It's the meaning is that's where you're that's where you should drive on. Meaning. But if you watch a movie, you could derive a meaning from that movie. But even like you're the, the meaning that you derived is a reflection of the rapper. Way to say is your derived meaning. But like, what does that mean? That's a bar itself. That's fucking hard. Continues. So we're losing it to drive it, watch a movie and derive meaning from it. But like, the only reason that that has any meaning to you is because you have derived meaning from your own life, and then you can contextualize something there, or you're like, putting it into like your narrative of thing, like if you think that's a worthy thing, that's based on all things that you think are worthy and unworthy in your own scale, or like you were inspired to find a new word, think you're like, man, that that that behavior is badass. Actually, I want to be like that guy. That's hard. That's like, I don't know what you it's is. I mean, like, that'd be doing it for real. That's behavior that's worth embodying, you know? Yeah, yeah. That's it. But that'll be like, new to us. You could derive that through someone else's actions for sure. But I think it only makes sense because you have a current contextualization of what you're doing with your life, how things go here. Yeah. So yes I think directly I think in essence might be the only way to give your life meaning is adopt your own responsibility for your own chaos or your own story that's there in front of you the chaos that's ever present and the unknown nature of what's going to happen day to day in the story. Yeah, but trying to wrestle with that and make it make sense to day by day in the story. But ultimately this is built on a wall. The structure, the nature is broken. It's broken. Yes. And broken. Michael. Yeah, it is, because it's the one thing people will just have like a story for their life or like a narrative that's like, I think that just does happen for most people subconsciously, like your parents give you a narrative. Hopefully, unless chaos has come in and then you don't have a good familial structure which is providing you with like a proper, nurturing childhood, which would allow you to grow and develop how you're supposed to or your life does have a story, in my opinion, but chaos can kind of come in there and wreck like early on. So people like lose their narrative and don't know how to replace it, and then travel ten years down the line with an unreleased narrative, you know, just living in chaos. And they're like trying to say like, no, there's a story about your life, like you can. That's why I think Jordan Peterson made the self authoring program is like a tool for those people to, like, help them rewrite their narrative so that they can be in a narrative. Again, conceptualize, I try to, you know, try to figure out what happened, what's going on. Wish it would be gone. Yes. The story you think will feature stories is always doing self authoring. Like you don't write autobiography for me real quick. Yeah. Like that's and it's helped a lot of people to be able to like, just, I guess, frame your life into a story. Absolutely. Yes. I think it's just getting closer to the truth of what's actually happening, how they call a story. It's a story is first person shooter. Yeah, yeah, it's a person is it is good. You're in here, doc. I'm sorry we're in here, though. We're in this broken world for real. And then Jesus is come to that. Could the idea of the outside of the outside, the outside of the outside of the outside? We can't conceptualize it because we can't comprehend. Yeah. Yeah. Like, you know, you're saying I guess we started talking about your, in your chair and just feeling like, you know, I'll understand this piece. Yes. This is a new thing here. Hold on. What's going on here? There's something to be discovered here. Yeah, this is a piece. This is a stillness. Yeah. I feel like it is truly rooted in God, too, because you are given a narrative. I think it's a foundational thing. It's. Or it has to be. It is a foundational thing. We're all building our lives out of what we think it's happening here. And it's like you have to have the foundational subsub sub structure of like, God is for me, this is like, good, this is good, very good. This is story from my life is a plan here. There's going to be rhyme or reason. There's going to be redemption. There's going to be forgiveness. And the ability to just watch, give us, see movie will make it cry out. It'll make it cry. That's I think that's the topic we brought it up in the past, but it's a, it's come on. It's in there. Next time you're crying from something hurts like that. I'm crying. It's beautiful, I look beautiful, I love that it's because it's undeniable. So in the novel, like at the end of chapter two, he eats the dish and it takes him back to his childhood. And then he's like, no longer a hater. He's like, oh my, I've been touched like that. That's a metaphor for like, that, that we're not seeing the whole thing about it. To me. What they're seeing, the whole thing. Did I spoil his. I'm sorry. It's all gooch. Okay. Yeah. So get in there. The the antagonist is a food critic. Okay. And then it's like a rat has, like, let's get this guy to cook these dishes for him. Yeah, and ending with the Gordon Ramsay. Yes. And then so that's between, like, the rat wants to keep cooking through this guy and maintain their relationship. But there's also some struggle there about how you're going to do that forever. And then this antagonist is this food critic who's like, going to grade their food badly. He gives everyone bad grades. And I think that they fucked up his dish because they were fighting with each other and they got a bad review, but then they got one more chance to, like, have another meal for this guy. And he was either going to like, and the restaurant basically, or like, I don't know, give them a good review. And then they make a dish that is like the same dish that was his favorite meal when his mom would cooked for him when he was a kid. And it's ratatouille is the dish. And then they make it I guess somehow or another that they end up making it just like his mom made. I think they had like figured this out somehow about him or whatever. And it was like the right idea. I'm not sure. It wasn't like pure, I can't remember. But regardless, we need something more abstract than just good food. Yeah, we need to hit him in the in the reality, you know, hit him in the mental psyche. We got to rock his soul. We gotta rock his taste buds. All we gotta rock is soul. But yeah, yeah, but your palate on that. Yeah. So. And then the like. The thing is, is he is a good chef. Like the rat is, does know how to cook. He's he's very talented. And so they make this dish extremely well. And then they food critic in that moment is so moved that he becomes like right. So I'm a glowing review and then becomes an investor in the restaurant is how it ends. And then they become like a legit the bigger, you know, it's like, oh my gosh, things are gonna work out. I just got blessed right? It's like the eyes are like. And that's like the idea of the Jiminy Cricket, you know, I'm saying, look, I handed him with the Jiminy Cricket to make the proper sacrifice to become a real person, to really be in here doing the thing that were all hopefully doing, which is pursuing a dominance competence, dominance hierarchy that's based on truth, honesty and integrity, and then love as well. That's what we trying to do here. They. Yeah, I think so innately that is the story that we're placed into. So I think that's dope. Their attitude was able to be like the the cohesion between the physical you and then the thing that's controlling the physical you. That cohesive relationship will results in a worthy sacrifice. So even your critic among critics, just like, can't object to. Yeah. And that's just truth is what that is. And that thing happens in art commonly like and it's love. People get transformed, touch to their soul, find their, their their axioms are wrong, I think, because your axioms dictate your behavior, you know? So, like what you choose, what you choose to believe in at a core level, like you were talking about under foundation to some subset of obstruction. Yeah. And that's why I think the Bible so important. I'll try to explain this to a guest who is reading a book is super interesting. Ended up getting to this point in the conversation where I'm like, like I'm a Christian. But the thing that I really want to express sometimes about my Christianity is like to all the skeptical people is that it's just it's just how to act like it's just how to act and get the best outcome. And then, like my faith allows me to understand that Jesus Christ and God, like, made these things and sacrificed himself like to give me like cheat codes, basically to tell you like that God has a plan for you. It's a good plan. And so anytime like you're thinking about life and you're going to make decisions like you should think about it like God has a plan for your life. Like there is a story that scriptures right there. If you're a Christian, it's automatic. But like I end up, in the secular world trying to talk to people about, like, you know, things with respect to like everyone in America is doing, you know, and then in the world. Yeah. It's like, that's the thing about Christian play or like, I'm not trying to sound like a white privilege with my Christian plight, but I'm the human condition. Yeah, yeah. We all live in like a blended culture of broken world beliefs. Some people think the we should build a melting pot and be like, no problem. And I'm like talking those people. And sometimes it just comes down to like, I'm here for that. Totally. But it'll come down to like, they want to go through all the substrate of thinking about why we should do something one way or another. It comes down to we're going to decide left or right based on like I have this presenting axiom and you have this presenting axiom. And then like the only reason in this moment that I'm saying that maybe mine is more right is like the Bible is like it's like a cheat code. I'm like telling you, it's like this scripture right here says we should do this thing right here. And then I'm like, okay, let me think of like a logical reason why the scripture makes sense for this secular conversation I'm having, you know, find myself in this place a like bridging the gap, right? And I'm like, I don't know. That's what Jordan Peterson does for people to. Oh heck yeah. Yes. Oh, yeah. But it's a worthy thing with the Genesis and exit ease and and don't just I just want to be like, let's go to church, like catch this Holy Spirit so that you can it's like a it's like the art part of like it'll just touch your soul and you'll know, oh, I have a misaligned axiom. Like for the art critic, it's like, you know, like, I don't know, I've been too hard on people or something like that, you know, like, look at what I've become. So sometimes you get touched and remember like who's in the A-list. Yeah. Right. You're like yeah maybe that's how grand it could be. Shaking yourself out of nihilism. But I think it'll tell you somewhere along the way something got fucked up. You know. Remember who you are Simba. Yeah. Nihilism makes sense. You know, to a degree if you want to make it look like that or if, you know, if you want to have that as a sort of structural foundation belief and then build your thoughts and beliefs around that as you're like, think things are bad, then you just like, fine things are, you know what I'm saying? To kind of justify self prophesy a little bit. But there's, I guess things outside of your story. But I guess the yeah, I just talking about the temptation into nihilism is like kind of obvious. Might be like the default. That's what Cain did, you know like right. Right. Yeah. We're fighting principalities. Like you can it's hard to hate the player, hate the game when you know that they're it's their natural inclination to be this way. But I do want to be like I don't respect you for being nihilistic to some degree. You know I'm just like bro. Like it's not you're making a choice. You're making a choice to, to see. To take life like that's the lightest assumption you can make about these things internal. You could bear more responsibility. Like grace is difficult. Right. It's like what's difficult about it? You have to extend past what makes sense on like a fleshly level or like, even in, like, your society level. Like things that make sense even in your logic science. So yeah, you had to extend past that in the name of this forgiveness that Jesus represents. Because we're we're so blessed with all of our blessings, because vengeance is for the Lord. There's like support scripturally, like it's a tenet of God. Like, what does that mean? Takes the suffering to all. This comes to the point where, like, it's important, you know, and the Bible helps try to put art on that so you can understand why it's important. It's important. But like so then. Yeah, but you're nihilistic. Self doesn't want to bear any of the responsibility of that difficulty right there of like bearing the cross of being a Christian existence. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And I'm just like, yeah, the core level, it's like fine, you can like do what you got to do here, you know. But like when it comes to my content, commonly is like, that's just lazy. Like you just lazy being nihilistic because of course you hate the rich. You know, it's like, duh, you got to be like, conceptualize and understand why people are rich and why you're not. If that's like, bothering you. And what like, does it work in your mind? You know, it's like, fuck that, man. I want to fucking spray paint a total. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I guess I, I think I seem to think it's like the default, but then also I think is the point where, yeah, you can, like, decide to go down that path to where it is lazy, I guess maybe like, it's like the lazy implication is that it is the slippery slope and it's on a downward trend. So it's, if you're not consciously like climbing the mountain like you're moving down the mountain, it takes a lot of to climb the mountain. You know, if you're not fully engaging with the like, bearing the responsibility. I guess it works on both sides of it. Our nihilism. And then also like the. Because, yeah, it is all for fighting. And it is all for not to a degree like we. All right. We're not going to die. Like, let's, Why not just get what again against good. You know? Slashing steel. Come on. Why not fight? So I'm telling you the first. I suck on the mind, okay? I'm. I wanted to lazy that time. When that argument presented itself to me, it was a much harder, a dragon to fight it. It's like, I don't want to just like, say, the p bomb over the air in the podcast. It's like when B, you know, like that, that's that's just like, very like you're being, that would be like the B word right there about like, life, you know? Okay. Like, you just mean betrayal. Yeah. Like come on, it is difficult. And you do have to try to, like, work your way through these things. And like, if you put in the work to try to make your life make sense, like you would quickly realize that right now, like it's just been a betrayal. It just like, does get like life is hard and and sometimes it's a lot harder for other people. I get to go to horrible things or people go through horrible things early and it breaks your narrative. But what's the story is here? Yes, absolutely it does. Yes. But then at some core level you're just deciding like, oh, it's just so hard. Then I'm just going to like kill people and rob people and make things worse because it's all just so my life isn't going how I want. Like it. It's like you're like, no bad things exist. So I'm going to represent bad things like, why? Why can't you just like, fight for good, you know, and be like, bad things exist and I want to keep them at bay. It's like, yeah, we know bad things exist. Just pissed that they exist. So you want to, like, crash out and be a part of the problem, like, bruh, like, what's wrong with oh, it's just such a it's just such a silly thing to do. You want to be part of the issue. You want to be the bad guy. You want to be the Joker. Like, did you ever watch a movie except for Batman, where you're like, you know, I want to be that bad guy. The Joker is pretty cool, but he's like, yeah, you don't want to be him. Really? No. Come on. It's like obvious, you know? So that's another reason why it's just hard for me with the nihilists, I think. Like, it just hurt. Like you just hurt, you know, you don't see a way out. The narrative of the story. It's easy to build it off of that, for sure, because life is suffering. I know existence is rough. Life is life. And out here. But I get it, bro. There's also things I don't understand. I understand that I do. Yeah, I also know about anything that's wisdom, right? Yeah. The argument is like privilege. You know, it's an argument. It's like you haven't you haven't had a a whale of nihilism come and touch like brushed past you where you're just like, oh, okay, life is terrible or like maybe if at some point you feel like you're out of chances, you know, if you had two chances. I think to I've heard Joe mentioned like the like the worst things that are happening is the worst things ever happened to you. Like we'll deal with it in that sense. But then I guess the degree to what is the worst thing that ever happened to you and how commonly we can also say like, yeah, that's terrible. It's like, that is true. And like there are more terrible things with that, I guess, like you are also in this reality too. And like your your suffering is real as well. Yes. You know, I'm saying life is hard for everybody. It is. It sucks. That's just inherent with everything, right? That's part of it. This is how I talk to myself of when I start feeling the weight of that, I'm like, don't be wrong. I gotta keep together, bro. Kind of kind of. Yeah, that's that's my internal talk for like, you know, you know, you can win this fight personally too. That's why I'm just like, dude, you can come out on top, but you can win the situation. And even if it's just like working at it in and out or like working at a local Mexican restaurant and sleeping in your friend's garage, so, like, you can you can win this, like, go execute, execute, execute. Like it matters. It's on the line. Like the finals are coming up. You need to get like a good seat in the playoffs. Go off you know. Yeah, yeah. Be engage with your life so that whenever the time comes or like we can take your story to a different a different place. Yeah. You're only you're controlling only so much of your story and then so much the rest of your story is just like way outside of your control. Yeah. And there's a thing that can take your story to a place you can't conceive of, and it'll get you. You can get there. And the only way to get there is but through like ice to do what you are able to conceive. And it to contribute of your story. Like, you know, build it. Yeah, build it and tend to work on it. Oh, your story, the thing outside of it can see how we're just I guess if you're starting out in the wherever you're at or like the, the you see the Hot Cheeto documentary on Hulu, I think it was. No, I was working for Lay's or doing whatever for the store. Yeah. Then he just pops off and makes Hot Cheetos. Yeah. You know, let's go. Let's doing the. Do I feel like decades of work. I worked in the glass shop in The Alchemist. There's, it doesn't matter the level of your story, because everywhere you are, you are in contact with eternity and infinity, even scientifically, with this universe that we're living in, expanding. It's like we're living inside of it. It's like this just going on here. And we can't really conceptualize that. We can't like we can't really reference around it fully. Know what? Like we take it as karma fact that we're sitting in narrative and then like trying to bring that into then an axiom for a conversation or for a debate with someone in a secular world. It's just like so far, like, these words, they don't describe and they're like, yeah, shifting someone's axioms like, it happen every day, bro. I can do it. Which is amazing. But yeah, you're axioms like and they're defined you know. Well probably a lot of them by chaos and how you dealt with chaos and things. You learn through chaos. So anyways I don't know. Still bridging the gap. That's cool thing about Jordan Peterson is that he really bridges the gap from psychiatry to like religion. Like spirituality. Yeah. Because he said that the more that he understood the religious texts and what they were saying, his career in psychiatry, and because he was telling people how to act is psychiatrist. So you're thinking about this thing wrong or we need to go do like immersion therapy because you're too afraid of something you shouldn't be afraid of. And like, that's how we fix your you, you know. Yeah. And then the more that he learned about the religious texts, the more that it just lines up, like with the same kind of thinking that goes into the psychiatry texts, to the point where he's willing to, like, tell you about the first five books of the Bible. He's like, I read these five, five books and they've super lined up with, like, I think, what Western civilization is founded on. And then the psychiatry evidence just like proofs that. And then you're able to take it. It sucks. So that's what I'm saying is, is taking it from the church and making it very palatable for the secular world because I'm also just like don't take care of the church. You know what I'm saying? George Pearson is like, your desire to be in politics is a desire for a religious experience. That's actually what you want. You want to know how to act. It's like politics is policy on how to act. Yeah, it's really care about politics. You actually want religion. And I was just like, fuck, that's crazy man. That's crazy man. Doing. Oh man. Yeah, but that's not like you are welcome here. But, like that's different when you walk into a church and you experience that, it's like. So the bridge is nice almost, you know, because you can read a book. And I was like, change your axioms. Yeah, yeah. This though, I think, I don't know if he's, like, taken away from the church. Exactly. I think he might be more almost like promoting it, but he's not really taking the stance either. As a as being a Christian. So it's like he's ambiguous to it a little bit or the idea of, he's just he's just like, this is what this is like, what I think about what these things are trying to say. I'm pretty sure that's true. But he doesn't exactly like claim that as his, like, identity as a belief system. I think he's just definitely more analyzing it and talking about it through the lens of a psychiatrist and someone who's analyzing behavior. And then what? What is what is the origin or source of this behavior, and then analyzing that and breaking that down and figuring out how to rearrange what you believe in, what you think's going on here in your narrative. And then assigning like tasks and objectives and desires to change your motor neurons, just like the motor neurons who are doing the interaction thing with the infinity. And then it's like the mental neurons that are like unobservable, that are like maybe missing or like emotional neurons or like things of that nature that are kind of more abstracted because they're definitely motor neurons as far as like our brain and our brain is kind of like our controller here. But there's, I think, a then a metaphysical, abstracted realm that our brain is tapped into mentally that we can't exactly see. But he's trying to get you to change and contort some of those neurons to create patterns for new motor neurons, which will then create new story stimuli, and then you'll hopefully be able to analyze and, extract from that story stimuli matrix and plug it back into your like system that executes motor neurons and neuro mental neurons together and see if it's like working or not. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's a great explanation. And so it's important regardless of whatever you think about Jesus, it's important. I think it's what's the one thing he can like or he helps me, like, understand it doesn't even matter because if there's a game we're playing in here, doesn't matter. We're here, you're here, you're here. It doesn't matter what you believe about religion per se. It's like regardless, like on the atheists, like we're here. Like we're all dealing with these things. Yes, we're all here, man. Yes. And these books are trying to point to what it is to be here, man. And like what is here. Yeah. And we agree that it's a physical place, like we are here in this, but we're also here, you know, saying, are you here with me? Like, are we at an understanding point in this abstracted realm? Yeah, yeah, we're here for sure. But we're also here. We're here with it. You feel me right here with it? Yeah. You can not address the fact that you're here with just the two, here with this. Oh, I'm here for it. You could not address it. That's what a lot of people are doing. Otherwise these books will be critically like obviously important to everybody. We're all just like okay you're conscious the first thing we do in kindergarten is address the fact that you're conscious. That's a lot. And said, we're like, oh, here's the alphabet. And then we're like, here's math. Here's math with fractions. You know, we're not like, it's a crazy question. Today we're gonna do sensory deprivation chambers. Kids. We really like strange things. Now we popping off I don't know, it doesn't seem like a bad idea. I wouldn't do that. I wouldn't do that. I'm just saying. Oh, what am I? It happened to me. I think it happened. I think it happened for real. I'm pretty sure that was there's like, something that that's closely based off of or like, loosely inspired by the idea of the story, of the narrative, of doing this sort of psychedelic experimentation. CIA yeah, okay. Yeah, they did that. They did that. Yeah. For sure. Yes. Rubin. Yep. Whatever. MKUltra some things, but it all things. It's everything. It's like, this is why this is down to why would you you could like, try to love that kid. I don't know, like they did it at the CIA. I did it in a gross way, in my opinion. And maybe I've been Hollywood persuaded to feel this way. But also, just my first thought is like, which how do you do this to a kid? But also, like, love a child while you're in the process of finding out if you do separate sensory deprivation for them, help them understand consciousness, will they be like more like evolved person telekinesis? Yeah, yeah. Telekinesis? Yeah. So, like, mind reading something? Yeah. My brain in my head, just thinking these thoughts. First thought is, how do you love this kid? Like, how do you do it? You don't want to friggin. Because kids need to be held and stuff like that. It's like important for them to like, like, even developed a brain as a baby. So, like, babies get sick if they're not being held by the person being touched. Yeah. And it's really bad for their mental health. So Jordan Peterson said there's like, I think Charles Manson was in the Nike for like 27 days for like a month and got no contact from his family. And they feel like that was it just isn't good for the baby. And then that's one example of where that happened, was that person was pretty bad. We don't know. No, no, I'm speculating. But regardless then people themselves don't. That's what I'm like instantly. Like, how do you do it? But you're not evil. And then there's other people that were just fucking, I guess, alleged too. I wonder how many actually true villains there are. Like people that'll just do things in a really gross way. True, true. Like psychopaths. Yeah. I think the problem is the fucking bell curve middle, where it's like you're kind of half nihilistic. That's like you're not ready to not really do anything terrible to people, but you're not halfway there about your regular life and all the decisions that you make. And, I think that's like the problem. Otherwise, politics will be going better. In other words, like, businesses wouldn't try to cheat each other and we'd all treat like everyone a lot better if we weren't like, yeah, I'll take a little bit. You know. Broken. Is broken man. Yeah. How many real. I think bad guys are a representation for people who are like half bad, half good. Most people are half. You're making a decision on right or wrong. It's like that's really what it comes down to. And a lot of people are Lex Luther. But everybody every day comes down to like, should I do it the right way or should I do it like, should I just selfishly take from the situation? People say life is gray, it's not so black and white. But that's what I keep. I'm like every decision I just do, I do my best or do I try to cheat, you know, like do I honor it or do I manipulate it somehow? You know. Yeah. Otherwise we do all make the right choices all the time. Yeah. Aligned with what's best for everybody. Yeah. It all makes sense if we're able to just identify the proper sacrifice and make it all the time. Every time okay. I don't find the proper sacrifice one. It's not always that difficult. You know, sometimes it's really simple. Yeah. Picking up that trash. Yeah. Still on that, bro? Yeah. Yeah, bro. Let's go. You say I'm not gonna lie like. Yeah, it's just a thing I'm saying. And if I see trash and I'm not able to, like, get to it or interject it into the narrative of my story, like somewhat easily, I'm like, man, I'll get the next one. Yeah. That's I it's fine. I can't spend all my time getting a the trash everywhere. Always. Yes. This time I saw this, I thought you get to once you get down the road of picking up trash, you know, because eventually becomes like, I'm doing the right thing, but I can't pick up that piece of trash. What do I do with that information? You know, you have to like how I feel about that. So I feel bad at all. And those feelings lead you to revelations, you know, like new thoughts about new things. So digesting life like that or like following down the road of these journeys of internal things like picking up trash lead to like worthwhile meaningful realizations about life, you know, trash CEO energy. Yeah bro it's fire. I have a theory about Jordan Peterson. Okay. Let's you want to go somewhere else now. So before you hop into that, you want to help us in a quick little prayer? Yeah. These people absolutely. Oh, okay. I feel like I'm in for. Dear Father God, thank you for this opportunity to be on a podcast. Thank you for this time to get to hang out. Justin, thank you for the audience that we have and all the people watching. And I just ask that everybody that takes part in this experience right here is touched by your heart and your blessing, and that they feel your love in their life and that it's present and apparent and that your grace wraps around them and that things start working for the better if they're not already. But more than anything, that, the presence of you, allows it to have the moving effect that the Holy Spirit has. In Jesus Christ name I pray. Amen. Amen. Lady JVP with a theory about him. Weary. Yeah. So that's one thing people really. Do pray and like that's important to you. I'm like, that's like the upper echelons of just why I think we should go right instead of left. Like, logically, this thing is better for our brains. But then also like spiritually, it's a whole different side of the equation. Like, you should pray, like, see what happens, you know, or, like, go to go to church and, and let your heart be open to what's happening around you. Like sit down your own axioms for a moment. Feel what you feel. Christ working JVP. He's on a he's got a he's got a knot somewhere in his axioms. I think it's something along the lines of like, Maybe just that he wants to. Why hasn't he been moved by the Holy Spirit to the question? One question I like, as far as his admittance of, like, being a Christian, right? What's the hold up in that? I feel like when you feel God in your life, like, it's just it's just undeniable. I'm excited to tell people about it. God is real. He is for you. I've seen it happen. Trust me, I just I want this for you I don't know, there's something about it, you know without one candle at another, there is just so many abstractly outside of himself what it, what he's like. Can anyone really say they believe in Jesus Christ. Really. That's what you're telling me. No. You're right, you're right. It's like, yeah, you're right though. But you. Right. But yeah, there's there's an aspect of what you're saying as well. You know, there's a yeah obviously a joy that comes with it like a, the name of Jesus, you know, saying where in that it's like, that's a. That's a number one draft picks on like a set of chip. There's a giant undefeated man. Where is Jersey man? Yeah. Love this guy, man. You've heard of this guy? Yeah. He goes off and I'll pray because he goes off and I love him. And he did it for me. I'm not praying because it's the logical thing to do with your brain. And it makes sense. And I think that's where Jordan Peterson's line is, is like that. That is the line of separation of like faith or like, who is he to even say he has faith? Faith and what like, do you have, first of all, to understand your consciousness where you talk about having faith or something. And then even so it comes down to like where, like your physiology and your brain itself has like it will worship something. And then if you attune that to God it's probably at least the best thing. And then that. But that's still scientists feel it's like, well it's not a bad thing to, to worship. If you can worship something that makes it makes sense to me. So there's still like this line of like where you cross over into, like God is real. And I think for whatever reason, Jordan Peterson, I think he knows God is real, but he doesn't cross into that line because if something about his literary reputation in the scientific discussions, because he if he can prove it logically, they can't deny him scientifically and he has to do things like stand up in politics and lobby for things that he thinks are immoral. But he's doing it through not as like I'm a Westboro Christian type, like this is the literature, and the psychiatrist says these things and it's like, you don't know what you're doing. The Dostoyevsky talk like World War Two dog. Like you don't know what you're doing. This is bigger than like me saying like, oh, I'm a Christian, you shouldn't abort babies. So maybe he's protecting that. Okay, now here's my theory about Jordan Peterson. Okay. Oh, I think this is like. Because that's true. And I think that he also knows that, like, God is real and like, who wouldn't want to wear Jesus's jersey? You know, I think he is going to wear Jesus's jersey and he's going to adopt the Christ like motif and such that he's going to I think he's preparing much in the way that. Our guy, Plato. Yes. Prepared for death. Yeah, you're on it, bro. He decided that it was more worthy to have a prepared death than to be, caught in chaos later down the line. Like, it was almost like a blessing. If you're willing to, like, say, okay, you know what? That was my run. Like, I accept that, I feel that. Let me get my affairs in order and then die gracefully rather than keep pushing for no when my time is called. And then I think Jordan Peterson will drop something similar to that, and then he's going to go on releasing a book or go on a tour, or put together something on YouTube that's going to like, I don't know. I don't know exactly. Tell the truth about our society. He hasn't talked about Epstein. He hasn't talked about Israel. He hasn't talked about, like, any of the wars, any of the wars he hadn't been talking about, or recent wars. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. Exactly. Right. The Iran stuff always wars, bro. None of that stuff hasn't touched it. He's he's he's been on the dead wave, bro. He's been on a on a completely silent and silent iteration. No. No comms, no comms since August last year. No comms, no comms. Ralph. And the dark wood in the dark. Completely blacked out. Maybe it was an attempt on his life. His daughter described it as spiritual warfare, maybe spiritual warfare. Spiritual warfare. Israel. Like, guess my takeaway here. My something's going on in my face. But yeah. So you think that he's, protecting that, but then also he's going to come back and come at it like, and do a tour as, like a Christian or like come back and be. What do you what was the the rounding, I guess end of that. They didn't have or is okay. He's not going to die. So you're saying like plateau and die for real is the other side of the argument is like, I think the I think Joe Rogan might sold out, I don't know. Oh no, let's talk about it. I never no no no no no never. There's there's a clear video where he's literally like, I have heard that there are some of these CIA plant radio guys or whatever. It's like, I haven't talked to any of them. Here's my thing. They show me aliens exist. I'll say, whatever you want me to say is like kind of making a joke. And then there's always that Super Suspect episode about you. We talked about everything in the last podcast, the, the the mind guesser guy. Oh, yeah. What's his name? PJ. Us. Yeah. As The Mentalist. Yeah. Okay. This point I'm just citing to you YouTube culture. This isn't something I made up, something I viewed like when, as The Mentalist, New Joe Rogan's pin number and was like, did like the number of number number and was like, is this your Pin number? Right here? And at first Joe Rogan's like, hey, why would you like show that to the cameras, bro? Like, be careful. Like they didn't show it to the cameras. But first he's just like, I want to I want to guess your pin. And he's like, you can't say that out loud, bro. Like, what the fuck? And then he's like, okay, I'll write it down. And he's like, where the okay? Like, I'll drive down. I'll show you, does this little trick, and Joe Rogan's immediately like, I don't like that. I don't like that. How would you. We'll see my Pin codes been in the mail before, so maybe. Maybe this guy's gone through my fucking mail. Dude, you see it happen in real time. Accessing information that's encrypted or back log somewhere to some. Whatever your credit card company, whatever it is, it's out there somewhere. Kissinger. Yeah. So then the internet culture has said that that's the moment when, like allegedly, a group like the Mossad made it clear to Joe Rogan that, you know, chill, bro. Chow, bro. I know your bank. Oh, bro, you got kids, bro. You got kneecaps, bro. Kneecaps do them. You got Nick. Everybody here? We got kneecaps. Good ones too. You got a good life, Joe Rogan. You got a great life. You can start a podcast. And today have a great life. You can start a podcast. And today. Yeah. And have a great life. Yeah. Right. So that's what the internet things happened. When did that episode air? Maybe, like sent a minute ago, I guess, like two months ago. Oh, really? Yeah. That recently maybe. You hear me? I remember you tell me about it a minute ago. It feels like maybe three months ago. Better let me see. Yeah, because, like, I've be doing some crazy stuff, man. What's. How do you explain that? This is June 4th, 2025. He's a mentalist. Yeah, he just does it ten months ago. He just does it. Yeah, yeah, dude, that's what they want you to believe that. That it's crazy gimmick. That's basically what they describe it as. They tune their mind to a crazy gimmick. And just like Kobe Bryant did, basically, until, like, pushing people into saying what you want them to say, you do it like 30 times a day, and then you're just like, yeah, I just know how to do this. Like it's beyond so free throw. And we kind of do that with sales a little bit. Like I can kind of get you to order spicy guava, you know. If you're in the neighborhood for a time, like almost sell your tomahawk. Yeah, right. Like I kind of could do this. I get it on a very micro level, but then they're like, you know, studying like textbooks about it and stuff like that. Allegedly. Same with magicians. Allegedly. Yeah. Right. Illusionists. Yeah. Delusions of like. Yeah. What's going on? Yeah. They're just scary. Scary. I don't yeah. I don't know if he can't. I can't tell if he's. Can't I do it? I definitely can't tell you that my favorite episodes are typically just like the ones with Sylvan and Duncan Trussell and his boys, Joey Diaz, Dawn Peterson. Peterson's a great one. Of course, that's just go to he's does he just go in any, any platform, any any expression of that content you can consume? He's learning it. The Theo Van podcast. But the boys help work out. But yeah, protect our parts the boys and just being, you know, stalking you know, talk with the boys, talking shit, drinking beers. That's what I think too. I think that's what Joe's trying to say. So we know I know what you guys like. Anyways, let me do some books. Maybe I should go after Covid so hard next time, you know? Really? He's definitely have to. Or maybe he's and definitely has to consider it. Whether or not it's actually reality. Reality or at what level is a different measure, but that he's never considered that he's like, you know, the most popularly consumed form of media ever. Yeah, yeah, that's that's where it gets that's where he's like, okay, hold on. I'm gonna take some mushrooms. I'm thinking about that. Yeah, that's that's trippy dog. Yeah. Ellen like to start thinking back to the oh yeah. Lost a lot of money ever so you know like that's people are doing different stuff. They want different things. Man. I had a dream that Elon Musk was on a podcast with Joe recently. Who's gonna drop one soon with him? I don't know, as hard as the camera knows, in my dream, really less, I'm pretty sure. One shot at dream don't dream to. Oh yeah, GBP. So that's the boy, first of all, life. So let's just say Joe Rogan is compromised, okay? The Theo Van podcast. Many people, a lot of people think that he's compromised. Says all the current the current narrative of shitty stuff that's going on. If the Evan brings it up and Joe Rogan's like, you gotta chill, bro. You gotta get those antidepressants. We talked about it. It's like, we'll talk later. We'll talk later at the club. We'll talk later. I think later at the club, he's like at glue, bro. I am the most listened to motherfucker ever. Part of my language. I'm being Joe Rogan right now, Joey. So, like, I gotta, like, be careful, man. I say I don't care. I got kids, man. You know what I'm saying? Like, I believe me here in this place right here, all we talk about everything. Like we get to the bottom of it. Where the streets are together. The streets always been talking. I just like, he's like, I probably doesn't want to propagandize, doesn't want to lie to people. But he just like when I got punched in the face last time, like, oh, of course, like part of me wanted to fight back, animalistic, like it's a virtue. But I was compromised. Like, I was like, I can't fight. Like if I take another shot to the head, I'm going to, like, black out, you know what I'm saying? Like, my brain can't. I'm rattled. If I can't fight, like that's not an option right now. I made it really easy to turn the other cheek, but it was just like an axiom. It's like I'm compromised. And I feel the same thing about Joe Rogan, probably with the advantage. Just like I can't. Like I'm vulnerable. Like I can. I can't do what you want me to do at my level. Bad guys really do exist. Like, I can tell you that there's bad guys out there for you. And sometimes you see how many cards I got. You see when you. Big deal. They just tone pistol start. Yeah. This is just for show. Like I need these. They're allegedly I could you know. Yeah man different game but Elon yeah one on one of their podcast together Elon had expressed that idea in regards to himself in regards to talking about whatever Doge or like run that they were doing or the types of fraud they were trying to uncover was like Social Security or health care, whatever they were going through. Initially, he was talking about that maybe like, yeah, it's like that system and the idea of that thing and then Elon's like, yeah, I can't really talk about that. I ain't got no money. They might just hit him with a and he's like, what are you talking about. Let's talk about something else. Yeah. This. Yeah dude. Like I don't know I don't know. You know I don't know how that gets communicated. I don't know what kind of reach people have. Who knows? I think as the Mentalist wanted to leave like an envelope and Joe safe, like, imagine, like what that could turn into. If that guy was actually allegedly some kind of agent from a group like Mossad. That's crazy talk, bro. We're talking crazy talk. Now, you get a message in a safe. Yeah, right. I think you wanted to, like. Yeah, leave an envelope with Joe and be like, I'll come back and I'll, like, have predicted what's in there this whole time. And then. And it'll be crazy. And Joe's like, I think Joe was like, no, I don't want to do that. And I didn't put it all together until now. I'm kind of putting it together a little. I need to watch the end of that podcast again. So yeah. Yeah. Because just kind of like, no, I'm, I'm just like, dude, do another trick when you're here. And then he's like, no, man, trust me, it'll be really cool. He's like, no, no, no. Because like this and this, and maybe Jamie's going to want to get in there, you know, like if Jamie compromised it, the whole thing, like, nah, just we just bring a new trick. I'm pretty, like, 90% sure that's how it goes down at the end of that podcast. And I thought it was weird. I'm like, Joe, do that trick, Joe, do the trick. You go put him in your safe. Yeah, I want to know what it is. Just like, you know, get away from my safe, dog. You only get into my myself. Yeah, you can get into my safe. That's just like. Okay, I see what you're doing here. You got me. Oh, you got me, right? Right. They got him. Okay. You think now you don't need to do that to show me your power. Yeah, I'm good dog. I'm good. So then. Yeah, compromise. Like nothing you can do. Yeah. If he's able to get how else could he possibly get it in there. Or like just like some of the illusions they do. That was it. When they do with the football teams and it's not scripted. That's so it's also the perfect guy to make it agent because he's kind of crazy. That's a crazy guy. You plants ideas in people's minds. That's a psychological warfare dog. It's it's yeah. It's insane. It's insane. But if he's a legit like an over magician is legitimately able to, like, put a letter envelope in your safe in your bedroom so he can, How'd you do that, though? You say it like that was. Let's think about this here, okay? Because it's here. So how did he get here? Yeah, right. Magic. You're right, dog, you're right. I got guards and dogs and guard dogs. Dog. Yeah. So he's compromised or something? You know, there's something going on here. Yeah, that's how I was looking at all of his stuff. Right, too. So you get lost in the Mentalist stuff, like, is this guy magic? I don't know, of course, if you think about it for, like, one hot second, you're like, okay, no, hold on. No. Yeah. There's some kind of explanation for what's going on here. It's just most of the time, people suspend their disbelief because it's an act like he's a performer, you know? But David Blaine too, like, like. And they don't care to know. Really. He doesn't like not knowing. Yeah. Yeah. It's. Oh yeah. It's pleasurable. Yeah. That's part of the fun. Like oh that's crazy. He's crazy. The, the yeah. You're the ocean's. Yeah. Like David Blaine like. Well as the frog on the podcast, I remember just thinking like, yeah, this is how you become an illusionist. You just like, decide, like, I have to do crazy shit. I have to, like, put needles through my arm. I have to swallow frogs. But, like, you can do these things. It's just, like, weird off the practice. Like, just imagine 100 free throws and then 100 frog swallows. Like you develop one. Like fly the frogs. They'll shoot a hundred free throws. You'll be better at shooting Fritos of you swallow a hundred frogs to be better. Swallowing for some people won't be basketball player. Some people want to be illusionist. Illusionist. Yeah. That's facts. Yeah. So that's how you get a David Blaine? Yeah. The hippie doing weird stuff that he's doing is that when we do this? Is that magic? You know what I'm saying? Is following the frog and throwing it, that's really an illusion of magic. But he's like, actually doing some stuff, you know? And his body is getting pushed to some crazy limits, like when it's frozen in the ice. What? He described it as real, and I wanted to believe him. Maybe that's magician as a whole, but he's like, yeah, it's just like being in a cold bath for like long enough to almost kill you. Long enough to make you delusional, for sure. And I was just like, that's what I'm willing to do. To be like, the best of the best is to this guy's crazy. Go that far. It's not. It's not. You guys go present. Yeah, yeah. Shit. I ain't under that brand. You can do that. But yeah, it's like David Goggins. David Goggins is like that, right? Yeah, yeah. Stay hard. He was this Antonio. Thanks, man. You stay out there, bro. I seen a San Antonio guy fist bump. I'm on the Riverwalk. My brain was just like, it could have been me. It's, like, not gonna be doing that. That's the boy, man. That's a boy, right? That's another one of the boys. It's one of those axiomatic boys you gotta have in your corner. Yeah. Then Kobe. Yeah. Kobe, MJ, David Goggins and JB. No one touching me, bro. No one touching us, bro. And the Jesus. On top of all of that, he on touching us. Yeah. Let's just factual statements for everybody and it's Divi Luke. That's different. That's different. Then it's important for jeeps to come back okay. So Joey Rogue's compromised potentially. Who knows. But let's say you want a piercing. Could be compromised. No. Or I'm going to be compromised I say compromised, okay. We're going to say it. We said it potentially. So if he knows that, he goes on, let's say all the things that the van tried to talk about. And Joe Rogan said, I don't wanna talk about those things on air with you. Let's go to the club and talking about those things. And then Jordan Peterson is going to address all those things. And I was that Geist. It's like, well, what is it that Joe won't do? Because he's afraid too. It's like Jordan Pierce is going to embrace that threat. I think he's probably going to be willing to embrace the threat to where he's like, maybe potentially like the number one critique of, like, the bad guys or like, not Tim Tebow level per se, because it's like more obvious why he's doing it, but because, like Jordan Peterson doesn't. They're books about chaos, but then he criticizes all the Nazis, and then it's like the same finger that he pointed at the Nazis. Based on the literature. I think you could, like point towards our culture and like call it out for real. And, I think that's probably what he's going to do, especially since you put him in that Dumbledore role. So he's going to address Voldemort, and then he's going to die for it. And then in his mind, it'll make sense because that's the Christ like motif. And if he's not going to worship God, probably with his mouth, it's because he's going to actually try to live out the Christ like motif if he feels called to it in that sense. And then the Plato argument just supports that it's a worthwhile thing through literature itself outside of religion. So like I could see, I saw it coming my way. Like yesterday, I was like, where has he been? And then I thought about it. I was like, oh my God, she's preparing to go to war. I think that's probably why. Okay, JVP, we can't hear from them soon enough. Man, it's been so long. I miss that guy. And I feel like, so one of those. Dumbledore, I love you the best. Dumbledore. You're the best. The agent of wisdom in your story. Everyone's got Dumbledore. The broader. Ben. Yeah. It's been so long, man. Almost a year. Almost a freaking year from that guy listening to his old books. They're just hitting. So hard. Fantastic. He just hits hard, man. Talking about truth, man, I get it. He saw the palette. The big words per minute come in fast. He got some big words, but not that bad. It's not that bad. He's not gross with it. I think, you know, I think he's the sometimes like even like the context of the usage is enough, right. You know, set. Right. But he's never not showing it off. Yeah. I think the more easily you're able to like break something that's complicated down into something that simple. Like that's a true level of mastery, not how well you can resuscitate it to like, like, you know, that type of stuff, perceived level of elegance or grace or whatever you want to put on your sexy words. Yeah. It's like there's a there's a, Access and mastery. That is the mental jujitsu it takes to get it down to a simple level. A someone can understand it, but like ten years old. Yeah. And he's able to do that, but he still has elevated, vocabulary. But it's still, I think at the base of it, he has it like down to that level. You know, I'm saying to my kids, you know, like The Lion King, you are Simba. It's like, yeah, that's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. That. Yeah. Takes it down to the most of his novels with like fables his don't forget it that for his also he has the Dumbledore. You know, it's like a good teacher who's not teaching you like to have a level to read. I have no idea what they're talking about. Yeah, he's able to meet you where you're at and then bring you up. Yeah. To snuff? Yeah. He is a figure for us, for sure. At least in my life. Our lives. We're kind of his core target demographic. But he hit us in stride. He just so solid, bro. People, I don't know, people be hating. I don't know. Like why finding the force of evil that do inside. But it reminds me, the guy from Sean Ryan show the Exorcist talking about demons. And she's going on about sometimes God with it. You know, spiritual attacks come through on to people who are, like, willing to entertain that and like, go down that route voluntarily, willingly. And then also like sometimes he would just I think he said he would do it to like high ranking officers more or less at his, in his royal ranks. Yeah. Just to like, shame the demons because they're going to break it or something like that. I forget exactly the phraseology. I always try to express the idea, but yeah, the idea of like sometimes it's like best warriors or mightiest warriors are going to have to face the toughest battles. That's kind of what they are. I think it's just feels feels natural. That's got truth to it. Yeah, Dumbledore is a guy and he has to go fight the thing. I was like, all right, yeah, heavy wisdom for real. The good, the good wizard. Yeah. Gandalf. And there's a bad Gandalf, too. It's like there's a another straight, easy, translatable archetype where it's like the most powerful bad guy. And there's an extremely powerful, good guy, old with the wise wizard. And then he, like, uses all of his wisdom to, like, battle the high level evil, you know, it's like. Yeah. And then it's like, this is in narrative. We believe it's true narrative. It makes sense to us in narrative. It's narrative directly translatable to life. Yeah. I think that's like what the Christian text is supporting because. The events in your life, like bad things do happen because. It feels like your problems elevate as your spirituality. I mean, yeah, it's it's weird because I get into talking to a place where I can't really talk to a secular person. I have no faith. But it's like, as you as your relationship with Jesus Christ grows, your understanding of life should grow as well, because you'll be traveling through your narrative like, well, things will be working out and confirming scriptures to you, and then you're reading the Bible as scriptures are becoming confirmed to you because you're holding the tenets and life is going better. All those things are working in such a way that. It broadens. It broadens the depth of field for everything. It shows you more God. It makes life feel like more, like it's less complicated. It's more simple in the sense which is like, do right and kill everything. You know that it's not that complicated. Just you have your set of situations and you just try to do your best in every single situation and uphold your responsibilities and just like, executes, not hard. And then like bad things equally come into your life to like create the pressure that is what's going on between you and your your story. And so I feel like just as just as much as your relationship with Jesus Christ goes in your capacity to understand what's going on in your life, that same depth of view opens you up to like, I guess the, the thing you have to do, you don't have the chaos. Like the little chaos doesn't bother you anymore. You're too elevated past those things. But you still there is still chaos in your life. So of chaos is going to be truly chaos. And it has to, like, meet you where you're at every time is what I'm trying to say. So then as you grow and expand, then that thing grows and expand in accordance with you. Yeah, because you're like handle and everything else is like pepitas to you. Yeah, whatever you be having high of a Pokemon, kill all of the Pokemon, get a little spurts, get big Pokemon, big spurts. Yeah, yeah. And you need big experience because it costs more experience to level up every time when you're a high level Pokemon. So there's like no point in just like small, small Pokemon killing don't make no sense. So that's like in my mind, I'm like, okay, so that's that's a definite confirmed. Yes. That new level the devil. Yeah for sure. So you got that going on. Was chaos always happen. Yeah Jordan Peterson is going to have that at the highest level going on the max level. Yeah. Here we go on armor. What is it about trolls man. He said we wrestle with God. He's a he's in the we. But that's what he's saying as well as like we're all there will exist. We all know what or not. Those are. We're thinking about trolls. People who has trolls in life. Yeah. It's it's kind of two questions because troll is like straight negative energy into a situation. As for the lulls, but also just like I think Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan both have gotten to like huge level of problem handling, very high level range, great players. But they got their very different routes like Joe Rogan didn't like pray and works his Bible his way to a good life. So thanks. Big question on Christianity. Yeah. Right. Like the world of work two or like not the way I don't think. And also it's like is you're all going to bad guy like. I don't think so. I don't think it's been an evil. It's been like a normal dude, you know, I think so just doing, just doing around. Yeah. Being a bray comedy bro. Yeah. So how does he do that if like, you need all these Christian tenets so he can have a good life. Because he's kind of like a troll or a jokester. That's what I'm trying to say. Okay, okay, okay. I think. Yeah. Well, I guess I guess I have a connotation of the troll into the ass, like negative for the sake of being negative or just being. Yeah, I guess it's almost nihilistic in its core, in its essence, being a troll. But then I guess it's just shallow, shallow nihilism, I guess. Or just. Finding and deriving entertainment and pleasure from making someone upset or annoyed. Taking control of an emotional narrative or narrative. You know, creating the joke instead of being the butt the or creating the joke at the expense or at the perceived like negative consequence of potentially being the butt of someone else's joke. So you'd rather you rather take a shot because you obviously you'll never be the butt of the joke, right? You know, same. I'll never be the bad guy. It's like that makes you a bad guy. Yeah, right. Yeah. I don't know if that's a troll or if the. What's the is the troll? He's just lashing out like team, like, screw their system entirely because they won't be the butt of the joke. So much like the troll behavior as far as, like, you're a bad guy if you're never willing to be the bad guy. And then those people just don't understand that system, so they try to burn it down because they're constantly the butt of the joke and they're not able to, like, handle it well or. Hang on, hold on. Like this. The other the joke. I don't know I think it's, I think most trolls aren't like super popular people. Most trolls would find out about it or like, you know, people who have been rejected by society on some level. So they're just like going to comment boards on universities and like, fuck with people, you know? Yeah. Commenting negative things. Yeah. Right. Like, why would you do that? Right. Instead of just engaging with the platform at the level on which it's supposed to be engaged or not engaging at all, kind of engage and or even constructively criticize. Right? Right. Truly try to make better. Right? Right. So what are you doing? What are you doing? Why are you doing that of all the things you could be doing? Because. Funny, right? Yeah. This is there's something refining film. Being funny is being funny, right? There's funny out there. All right, who gets to draw the line and determine what's not funny, man? Not funny, not cool. But yeah, cool. That guy. Okay. Well, sometimes you for sure. Sometimes people, society in general. But yeah subjectively every individual. Yeah. Like how much troll behavior should we tolerate as a society's ultimate question? Apparently some. There's something going on there, wherever that comes into like the, like desire to express comedy, trying to bring like tell a joke. And then there's also like telling the joke and then maybe an attached dimension of that where you are also trying to be rude about it. You're saying be special for some society 100%, you know. Yeah, yeah. So I think that's kind of like being a troll. Yeah. Like try to go that route because that's funny things out there. And you know, that's like that all can make a joke at any or, you know, make restrictions on any jokes necessarily. But there's a spirit that we call, you know, we all have our own identification of like I think it's it's not clear. It's like what's going on there. You mean a troll? I mean, just being a dick. You know, trolls that definitely do. It's a different degradation I think. Category. Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, for sure. If you can make other people laugh enough, it validates also you being a dick. So it's like yeah, but like it's funny. I'm just being a troll like I don't, I mean obviously means a lot to be a dick. Being a troll. Yeah, right. I'm just like, oh, that's just a, like a little too close to me. It's too close. It's too close. It's yellow and orange. It's like it's there's a mix and it's too close on. I respect it's a lazy choice, too much of integration of that gradation into your portrait. But all that work into being kind. Yeah. That's what everybody it's worth it. It's got a subset of nihilism attached to it. That's also what you get with being a dick right. Subset of not nihilism. Yeah. And just being kind of the other option or like or nothing you know at least nothing to say something nice or nothing at all. It's like a fucking troll. Yeah a virtue. So. Yeah. But then yeah speak truth. Oh yeah. That's the opposite end of the spectrum. That's where I got what that was just people talking shit at work. Well, I'm just like, want to, like, say I'm sorry sometimes, like, hey, like, culture check is this is what we're about. This is what we do. We just go back and forth talking about each other because we're teammates and we just want to like, you know, spend our time talking shit, dogging each other. That's what we do. Like, I just, I just thought, you know, I don't I don't know I don't know if Ohio State's locker room looks like that. I don't know if the people who do, who are the best of what they do, this is what their inner chatter is. And then most of it's like coming from this place of like, I, I respect it because of the power of if anybody asked me anything, I'm like the power of your dictation, what you could do with your ability to speak, it could be so transcendent. Good. And you're just like peeing in a corner for no reason. That up. Just like the upper limits of just trying to say something nice to somebody. Like it's so worth it. It's like it's just a respect. You're just being lazy or like not respecting yourself enough, whatever you want to call it bro. I'm like bro if you want to be a troll but you could move nations. People move nations. Yeah. Words of life spoken to you like imagine if the person spoke words of life to you. Decided to just be a troll that day. You know like bruh those foreign Peterson doesn't troll same did he with the Pepe flag thing. I've gotten this far. I thought you can, you can, you can acting like a troll like energy. But it's almost like satire. You're saying. Yeah, it's. Yeah, yeah, I can't do very long before I'm just like, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Oh, yeah. Of course. It's like, I'll. I'll make a joke here. I will bring humor to the situation or figure out something like, a way to frame this war in which it's like a funny story or like, you know, so that's in line with whatever we objectively agree is humor. We all share that humor thing. You'll laugh at things. And some people are a little, misaligned with that or just have a different, you know. I don't know, but. We don't want the thanks. What was it? One people, one part I peeled off while you were saying it. It was just that there's, like, a good joke. Okay, like if a good joke, like, has a fair amount of criticism, but it also has a good amount of humor that's, like, more effective. And then also if, like, you're just making a joke that's just like stupid and like slapstick and like, it's just like it's just a waste of what you could be doing with your words. You know, even if you want to be a troll, you could be a good troll or make a good joke and like, that would be more tasteful, almost more personable. Yes. Right. Yes. So there's low pay, a lot of money if you could do that. Yeah. Well, also pay a lot of money if you're so like slapstick movies were like weapons, you know, that's like that's that's where it then becomes the question of like the differentiations in art, you know, saying there's the like a truly like genius stand up comic versus, yeah, it's like slapstick comedy. Being a troll. It's like they both make you laugh. Well, you know, like songs like come on dog, there's there it is, there's that was it. It's Friday, Rebecca Black, you took over the nation, but it was like trolled, like a people were trolling that song just like in in regards to, like the, quality of the art, but to a trolls degree or, you know, I'm saying regardless, there's like low art and then there's art that makes you cry with paintings, portraits on your frigerator. And then there's Mona Lisa, but also there's portraits on your frigerator that'll make you cry more than the Mona Lisa. It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa. He was there, was there? There's something else. So it's nothing. Love the song. It is something. The lie to me. Yeah, yeah, it's worth exploring. It's worth understanding as a baseline. And then secondly. Don't be a troll. Don't be troll. Like there's gradients to what you could contribute. That's why I'm like the amount that you're contributing to the world's beauty is breaking my heart. That's why I'm telling you, like, not waste your time with this. It could be better. You can be better. And also then like. Like for my friend Jonathan, if we had an argument all the time and then like, an accident was like part of it. Always just like, tell me what your life's like. What's your state of anxiety? What you're of depression, how I go, how you deal with this life thing we got going on. I'm happy. Are you with your situation of constructed around it? Yeah, man. What's going on with them? Right. So the axioms that allow you to be a troll, like maybe they're not good axioms, you know? You know, I don't know. You know, that's it. That's I think that something like that. Oh, man, we're out here, bro. But in the case, I don't know if it was there any parting words for the beautiful people? Don't be a troll. Yeah, I guess one. I think it's all good jokes for be a troll. Come on. The story is really story. Like, I feels like my story is different now. You said you got a fire and you had a piece. I was on piano. Understand it? Yeah. That's pretty sick. Yeah, right. That those are, like, contrasting ideas, but I feel you 100%. Yeah, it was awesome. I'm on fire. But I'm a chili cucumber. Oh, fire! Yeah. Frozen cucumber of. I know a burning bush. Not. I don't know, man. So that it's like, Yeah. That fire and water at the same time. That's cool. So yeah. But then I'm like what happened there. I'm like time passed and I played my story I think like engaged with life is what I'm saying. Engage with life and time passed and then like situations or will do change. It's like bring about different feelings. I'm getting older and things are getting more adult, more complex, more deep. Like even given deeper and deeper, I dig it for a bit deeper and deeper. So that's cool. Like, I guess it's worth it. Me so I'm saying, I don't know. I found that out. More testimony about it's worth it. So yeah, just keep on keepin on. No. Sounds cliche. No sounds terrible. Pursue the highest good adventure will come from that. Legit. That's like working out like two weeks. You see a change for weeks. Your friend see you change eight weeks. The world sees a change. So, like, what does that mean? That two weeks, you see a change that no one else sees. It's like your life is like that too. She's like these good days. I give two weeks of good days, see what happens. It's like micro into macro. And so you immediately get ahead of the dopamine in a good week. And it's like out one good week. Just one. It's one good week. That's like yeah that's nice. It's nice. You stack those up for decades. That you get to define good week. Like I see through the lens of Jesus and God or like the idea of trying to pursue the highest ideal. I think the Dawn Peterson argument is even if you don't like in yourself, like you have, what what would my best be or what would be a good day for me? Like what? Do you know each other? Yeah, you can you can discern only you know. Truly. Yes. I can tell you abstractly, right. But you know truly what would like legitimately how to act that out and make it happen. Yeah. I think it should tell you where you should work out, but then you have to figure out how to integrate that into, like, where's the gyms that are around me work out. So am I going to do that's I that's like finally, you know, like what's the optimum thing for me? It's like I can give you suggestions and then you have to figure it out. Like, yeah, I like this. Okay. For this I like for them to the most high up is I'll praise I love you see the billionaires.