The World Is Trying to HACK YOUR MIND | Our New Favorite Word | The MJ38 Show #131

What if the biggest battle in your life isn’t physical… but spiritual, psychological, and happening inside your mind every single day?

In this episode of The MJ38 Show, we dive deep into faith, discernment, hypnosis, intuition, spiritual warfare, culture, testimony, suffering, and what it really means to follow Christ while living in the modern secular world.

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We talk about:
– Protect Our Parks & Joe Rogan
– Jordan Peterson and Maps of Meaning
– hypnosis and suggestibility
– intuition vs rational thinking
– discernment and “perspicacity”
– the hidden influence of culture
– Christianity and modern entertainment
– spiritual warfare & mental battles
– Forrest Frank, testimony, and creative purpose
– the power of words and the Logos
– how suffering gives testimony power
– balancing faith with life in the secular world

This might be one of the deepest conversations we’ve had yet.

If you’ve ever wrestled with culture, purpose, temptation, intuition, faith, or identity — this episode is for you.

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unknown 0:08

You won't miss me. I'm a star, baby.

SPEAKER_04 0:11

One thirty-one, let me run. Take the ball, let's go, Jeremiah. Love, son. It's good. Yes, man. Loving life. Protector Parks came out. Haven't heard it yet, but I don't even know if I'm like. Protect this pot. Should we pray first? Yeah, you want to jump in? Okay, I'll take you this one, right? Yeah, we'll just alternate. Cool. Yeah. Area. That's what I was thinking. Okay. Dear Father God, we come to you in this moment. We ask you to consecrate and to enter this moment. You are welcome in this space. We accept whatever you have planned for us. We trust your plan and your timing. We hope that you align us with our speech in order to best portray the objective truth that is whatever you are. We can't conceptualize it fully. Our ways are not your ways, but allow us a glimpse into the divine, into the next realm in order to see what needs to be done, take the next right step on this path of this story and this narrative that we're playing, that we don't even know the entirety of what's going on here, but you do. Allow us to trust that, express that faith and believe in that faith and move forward and let this touch the lives of whoever needs to be touched. And Jesus make your presence known. In Christ's name, we pray. Amen. Amen. Life's good. Life's good, man. It's a lot, it's too much to see all at once, but we get glimpses and it's nice. Things are good. Protector Parks came out. That's like uh I was listening to the Arch of Fear one that just came out on Joe. Nice. And I don't know. I was like, listen like within the first five minutes, it was like talking about glory holes. And I was just like, okay. I don't know if I could listen to this much longer. Because I've been released like uh more or so consistent consistently and continually listening to like worship pods, like the Why Not You podcast and some of the Ruslan stuff, and then some of this Josh Howarton stuff now I'm listening to on Live Free, Live Free Podcast. And it's crazy because Josh Howarton came to CBC. He was like in the building preaching. And I was like, I've heard this guy before whenever I heard listen to the that ver or that uh verse. That yeah, whatever the uh the Wednesday night he came on revival or whatever. I was like, this voice sounds familiar. I've heard this voice on like social media, I'm pretty sure. Listen in passing. And yeah, sure enough, I looked at the video and it was like, oh yeah, that's a guy I've seen. And he's yeah, but he hosts the Live Free podcast and he pastors a church in Dallas, Texas, that's like also a mega church, and they're going off. We're just going off for Jesus over here. So then listening to the glory hole stuff on Joe Rock, you know. I was like, oh no, if I can stay in these waters for long. And then I hop back over to the live free pod, then parks our uh um protect our parks can't. Yeah, yeah. And like I do love protect our parks. Let me some Shane Gillis. Like Diet Coke. Oh, Coke versus Diet Coke versus water, versus some purified water.

SPEAKER_03 2:54

Yeah. Um yeah. Only glory I'm talking about, guys glory. Okay, that's first on this podcast. It's just the secular world just exists, you know? And you have to operate in it. And like you like talking to your boys about boys' stuff, you know. That's kind of what Parks and Rec represents. A little bit is just like bros browing down. Protect our parks. Yeah, the what is it?

SPEAKER_04 3:22

Parks and Rec. Sorry, yeah. I almost said parks and rec too.

SPEAKER_03 3:26

Yeah, Protect Our Parks is uh the Joey Staple. Yeah, it's like one of the best podcasts that come out. But and it's it's crazy that it's number 16. I was just like, yo, how did 16 of these happen? What is happening with my life? Going quick. Flying by, bro. Going quick, brother. Time dilation is so real. You're so here, but then you're also so way out here. Also, just your experience with life out on that. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 3:59

So yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, protect our parks coming out, but I don't even know. I'm sure just yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 4:05

More on maps and meaning.

SPEAKER_04 4:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 4:07

But it was good. Like I got home from work on like Friday night, Saturday night, and then put it on while I was just like uh sitting down at the computer doing whatever I was doing. And it was just like it did get me into like flow state. I felt good, just chilling, wasn't really listening to it, kind of listening to it. It's more just like the vibe, but it's just like secular stuff, you know. But it's kind of unavoidable that you're gonna like work in the church and live in the church and only hang out with your church friends and only talk about church stuff. All right, here's like a well, I believe in openness and honesty more than so sometimes. I feel like there's like a blend. Alright, so one time I was at Saltcrass, right? Oh, I forgot we're on a podcast, whatever. I was at work, and one of the questions that popped up, because like my friend Jonathan got us in the vibe of always having like Twitter poll-like questions. We would just like sometimes come in with kind of like a polarizing question, okay, and then ask like not me, but some people would ask like everybody what they thought, and then come up with like a percentage and then tell everybody what the percentage was. That was like a game we played, you know. Got it. So the question was like, what's something that you can never have too much of? And then everyone like was stunned, like not stunned, but thinking for like a solid three three seconds, nice little pregnant pause, and then I was just like, God. People were like, Oh, that's a good answer. That's a good answer. And then the guy that was asking the question was like 40 years old, more mature, digital creative designer, only worked in the mornings. You probably remember this guy, just cool, smart guy. And he was like, Uh, okay, that's a good answer. That's a good answer. My my answer is balance, but it felt like he wasn't just saying, here's a different answer, like just like a collision there almost of like, is there a certain amount of balance you should have with your walk with Jesus and living in the secular world? Is there is a a more can't think of the right word, but like ideal, yeah, like energy, something that is more integrated with those two things? Or if you were one I personally, I'm kind of feeling like you should just 100% be invested in Jesus and not try to really integrate the secular world, but it's kind of hard on your system because then you're kind of always at war, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_04 6:21

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, or at least always in some sort of disagreement or some sort of contrast. Right, right. Story. Right. Because we're in culture is culture's in that. We're in the when we we are in culture, we are individuals, but we're also in culture, and culture is that stuff. Yeah. But if we all were legitimately like, I think that's what the sin that separates us, maybe to a degree. Right. But I think that's kind of one of the premises behind like the idea of the show of making the show of like what are well what would happen if all of us were really like about that? We like ditch the secular world, whatever that I mean, you know. What's the show? Yeah. Or no, I think it's like I remember having the idea of a show where like we we get to that point of like consciousness. Okay. And then I don't know, we get we get we reach contact or something happens, some sort of elevation point beyond the the aliens come. Yeah, right, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 7:14

Huh. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 7:15

Okay, yeah. So but we are in the secular world. Culture is secular. Like I guess what would even like the Olympics or like sports be considered like part of the secular world, right? Why? Or like not necessarily, right?

SPEAKER_03 7:32

No, not necessarily, I don't think. Like that's a story embodied. Yeah, being competitive, uh having competitions that we agree we like and the players like, and we all want to watch it. And hearing something objective. Yeah. The game.

SPEAKER_04 7:48

Yeah. Game of basketball. Football IQ. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:53

Basketball. Yeah, I'm with you. But yeah, the I think the word I was looking for next to idea was optimized. Like maybe you could optimize your experience a little bit more if you were integrated on like you know, drinking with the boys. That's a great example. Like, is that a bad thing? I don't think so. I don't know. I don't know. Uh in the in the Bible, they were drinking with the boys. Probably weren't drinking like all the time.

SPEAKER_04 8:23

At the wedding, you know?

SPEAKER_03 8:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 8:25

Yeah. We're out of wine, Jesus. It's disrespectful to run out of wine. Jesus.

SPEAKER_03 8:30

It's disrespectful to come to me for your vice. I got you. They did have them. I got you.

SPEAKER_04 8:38

So yeah, it was more of the more of the not a vice thing per se. It was more of the the cultural narrative thing behind running out of wine during a wedding and the embarrassment socially that comes with that.

SPEAKER_03 8:48

I'm with that.

SPEAKER_04 8:49

It wasn't like I need a drink, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 8:51

Yeah. But on a subtextual level, it's like, why do they need the wine? Why does the wine get to a place where it's a cultural faux-pa at that point? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? We can't just enjoy each other's company. There's something about altering our state that is part of the experience. So you can alter your state, think differently, come to different conclusions, be have different inspired thoughts, and then come back to your like all the time state and like be able to learn more things because you're doing that. There's something very true and real there.

SPEAKER_04 9:24

Yeah, balance is super true. My answer that came to me immediately was like uh time.

SPEAKER_03 9:31

Well, can you ever have too much of time? Yeah, I can have too much of a time. I don't know. If you were gonna live for a million years, might feel like too much time.

SPEAKER_04 9:38

Well, yeah, yeah. But us in our hundred-year bodies or whatever, 80-year bodies, I think it's just like a true thing. We're always, you know, it's like it goes by so fast.

SPEAKER_03 9:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 9:50

It's gonna fly by.

SPEAKER_03 9:51

Yeah, you said I have daydreams of wishing I could stop time, like do what I want to do. You asked me what superpower do I want to have when I was a kid, I always always have to travel. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that would cook. That would cook. Yeah. Forget flying, bro. Just like pause everything. Complete control. But then it comes with these, it comes with baggage. What if you let like three years go by, but you had to pause time for like three years, and you're like, I gotta get back. Like that would be weird. Do you age?

SPEAKER_01 10:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 10:33

And your time travel abilities?

SPEAKER_03 10:35

Maybe not bio biochemistry, but your mind. Okay. Goes like you get older, more mature. It's not the same you. Like you see, biology stops with time, so you'll be the same physically. Come back to like third grade.

SPEAKER_04 10:51

Yeah, you like reincarnate and that you like read a bunch of books. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like the consciousness can stay within the the little avatar can be navigated through.

SPEAKER_03 11:03

Yeah. Yeah, so you'd be like, man, but the prerequisites for this class are like, yeah, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_04 11:15

That's another one. Maybe you could like travel back in time but then change into a different form, too.

SPEAKER_03 11:20

Right. Uh what about like comedy, right? Most comedy, hardly any comedy, it's all clean comedy. I think Christians listen to only clean comedy. I'm like, I don't know. Are they wet blankets? I don't think so.

SPEAKER_04 11:32

It's a rough thing. It's a whole balance trying to figure out that answer.

SPEAKER_03 11:36

Yeah, I'm not trying to be disrespectful to Jesus by talking about stuff, but it's like a real question, you know? I feel like it's better to ask a real question. It's probably what people think about. And like, what's the proper integration? Oh, I go to church every Sunday, or like go to church once a month, or I pray before holidays, or I pray every day before everything. Go to church every week, volunteer at the church, go to the camps.

SPEAKER_04 11:59

You gotta give your life to Jesus every day, dog.

SPEAKER_03 12:02

Every day, dog. Massive trust. Yeah, truly fasting, truly following the scripture.

SPEAKER_04 12:12

And truly wanting, truly developing and having the heart to want that as a legitimate desire in your life. Right. So much so that you're willing to act on it. Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_03 12:23

I think that's what we're here to do. Just uh be worked on in a kiln.

SPEAKER_04 12:33

Developed through everything, through anything.

unknown 12:37

I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 12:38

The more I know, the less I know.

SPEAKER_04 12:41

It's all just X's and O's.

SPEAKER_03 12:44

Here's a question for you.

SPEAKER_04 12:46

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 12:47

I'm gonna paint you a scenario.

SPEAKER_04 12:49

Okay, paint it. Picasso.

SPEAKER_03 12:51

Four years ago. Okay. I'm working out in a gym.

SPEAKER_04 12:54

Gym.

SPEAKER_03 12:55

I finish my workout. Done. I go take a shower. Clean. Come out of the shower.

SPEAKER_04 13:04

Let's go.

SPEAKER_03 13:05

I go to my locker.

SPEAKER_04 13:07

And there's a guy in my locker. Oh no. Did you have luck on it? Yeah, yeah. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 13:12

Even worse. Sometimes way worse. Sometimes in between during shower time, which is like five to ten minutes, I'll leave my locker unlocked sometimes. Because um it's just kind of a real bitch. So convenient part of my language. It's a real It's more convenient to just come back out when you're in your towel and just like open it up and go through everything. And then uh and I'm like, I think I turn the corner, I'm like, yo, and then he's like, dude, sorry, I just realized this is not my locker, my bed. And I was like, oh, okay. And then I immediately like I've had my headphones stolen a couple times in my life. So I first thing I do is like go look at my beats and they're still in there, and I'm like, okay. And then I like get dressed, all the way dressed, put on everything, get everything packed up, pull my keys phone wallet out, and my wallet is missing all the cash I had in it. No. Okay. How much cash do you think I had in my wallet that day? Oh god, no. Seven hundred dollars. Oh, no way. Yeah. It was like two weeks of not going to the bank. And I was just like, no way. And then I like go. I like walk out and I'm like looking for this guy, and I don't see him. I like get in my car and I start driving to work, and I see this guy walking through the parking lot. So my my heart's kind of like racing. I'm like, not a hundred percent sure this guy just robbed me, but I'm like 85% sure. Pretty darn. You know what I mean? Pretty close. And so then I like park, I park, I like pass him and park, and then he like ends up walking like right by my car, and I'm just like looking at him like this fucking guy. Then I don't know, he like sees me, acknowledges me, and then just tries to like look at me like he's afraid of me, or like try to make me afraid of him. And I'm just like, I'll fucking like my brain's like my finger is on the trigger of confrontation. I'm like, I'll shoot this gun, like get out of my face. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, I don't I don't know that that's what I want to do because I don't know that there's an outcome that's good for me here. If that makes sense. I don't know if there's I don't think I could confront if I can go back in time. If I were mean now, I would confront him. I'd be like, bro, like, I know you just took this money from me. I want to provide you an opportunity to do the right thing. Like, I worked hard for it. Please just return it to me. It's like, don't do this. It's gonna, you're hurting both of us, me financially, you spiritually. Like, I want to forgive you. Please just let that happen. And also, what are you gonna do? Like stab me or fight me or whatever? Like, kind of at a point where I'm like, do what you gotta do, man. Like, I gotta do what I gotta do, and that's gotta try to try to stop you right now, and then whatever you gotta do, you do that, fine. But like, but in that moment, I just like held my stare, held my energy, and then he kind of like backed off and then like walked over, kept walking. Okay, okay. This guy still works out in my gym. Like, every day I see this fucking guy, part of my language, and then he like wants to one time we played basketball together and I didn't have it put together yet, so then he'll like say hi to me in the gym, and I'm like, I know for sure that this is the guy that robbed me of $700, and I don't like the other day in the gym, I was just like on IDFWU time, like I felt his presence. I was like, hey bro, and then just like several times I felt him like looking in my direction while I was working out, and then it got to a point where I was just like back straight, like squared up. Like one thing I learned is like uh I felt it and then I learned it like your body language. If you're talking to someone and you're um next to each other looking at something, that's a less aggressive confrontational body language, you can have like a more conversation with more ease that way. It's actually why bars are set up to have everybody facing the same direction with a mirror so that way you can like see what's going on around you, so you don't feel the need to like turn your chair to talk to somebody because that's more likely to create a confrontational environment. And then like they don't want people having shootouts in the Wild West. So this was like a Wild West thing when bars like got set up like that, like saloons. Okay, I heard. But then it's so if you ever notice if you're in a conversation where it gets like confrontational and you need to like address that with your energy, if you square up to the person that's talking to you, you can kind of like energetically say, like, hey, like what are you saying, bro? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 17:34

Yeah, it's like an orientation of your energy, yeah. Our little like energy or like life generator thing in our in our field of vision. Like I'm talking with you, and your orientation to it, or like I'm talking at you, you know.

SPEAKER_03 17:45

Yeah, yeah, we're all looking the same direction, or like we're looking at each other, right? So I'm very much just like where like I'm working on a machine like this, and he's on the leg press, and I just like turn and just like what's up, bro? Like, uh square up. Yeah, like I I know, I know. I think you know too, but I I know you're wondering if I know. Yes, I know that you are the person that robbed me. So yeah, as a Christian, what are you supposed to do about that? You know what I mean? Yeah, forgive him 777 times.

SPEAKER_04 18:18

I think confrontation is the I guess result, but yeah, the confrontation in the kind of like the vein you were describing it of not confrontation for aggression, but confrontation just for like identification of the truth. It's fruity. Like this happened. Yeah, like this happened. Or did this happen? Like confirm whether or not you know I'm living in this reality, whether this is a real thing. And like, if it is, then fine. If not, then I'm sorry. But I'm uh pretty sure this is what's going on here.

SPEAKER_03 18:50

Other things that confirm it for me are I've seen this guy one time I saw him walking from like the Starbucks, which is like probably two miles away. Like just like walking towards the gym, and he's there like every day. And then also another thing I like about this guy is he'll chill in the locker room. He'll just be in the locker room sitting there watching TV for like I'll like come in, put my stuff up with a much more secure lock. The other thing is, dude, my lock was broken that day. That's another thing. So like by the time I get the lock like off the locker, because I would like sometimes like half-hang it a little bit. And so by the time I'm like looking at it, it's clearly like been like pulled down hard enough to like pop it out. So I'm like, oh yeah, okay, so I definitely locked my locker, and this guy definitely popped it, and this guy definitely had like the wherewithal to be like, oh sorry, I was the thought I was in my own locker. And if I would have been someone who locked his locker every time, I would have been like, that's impossible, bro. Like, what do you mean you thought you were in your locker? This is I I locked my locker, you know what I mean? There's just enough uncertainty and potential reality for me to want to not or like not know what was going on in the in the locker room itself. Then so I don't think this guy has like potentially a place he can live in, like, like I don't think he has his own place because he's at the gym for like sometimes I think he's there for like four or five hours and just like chilling. And then I'll see him like on workout equipment, like not really working out. And then that same day that I'm like squaring up with my energy more, and he's like on the leg press, he just starts like at one point he's got like eight plates on both sides. This guy's like not jacked, and I was just like, Okay, there's no way he does a set of ten of this. Like, I know like gambling. I'm just like, oh, all in, you're not doing 10 reps, no way. And they did like three half reps and then Bracks it, and I'm just like, I don't think you're working out, you know what I mean? I think you're hanging out in a gym. Just weird behavior.

SPEAKER_04 20:42

Yeah, he's posting up in there, yeah, dude.

SPEAKER_03 20:46

Good gym membership. You know, we've said that like all along. Yeah, we find ourselves in a position. Yeah, AC. It's like a library, but for weights, yeah. For physicality, and I don't know what to do about that.

SPEAKER_04 21:03

Oh, dude, yeah, I don't know, man. That's a rough one. That's a rough one.

SPEAKER_03 21:06

Yeah, it stirs my thoughts.

SPEAKER_04 21:10

Dude, for real, that sucks, dude.

SPEAKER_03 21:13

It was long enough time ago to not be upset about it, you know.

SPEAKER_04 21:15

Yeah. Still. But still, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just it is what it is, man. He's still there like now? He's like you see him like today or like uh within this last recent time frame of working out. Yeah, it's a recent story about the leg press happened like on Tuesday. What's today? Today's like, oh, it's about yeah, definitely over the last week or so. That's crazy, bro. That's crazy, bro. Maybe talk to a staffer about him.

SPEAKER_01 21:42

I thought about that too. Y'all seen this guy?

SPEAKER_03 21:44

Well, Joe, no, like just in case you weren't aware. That's something you stole from me. A little bit. That's the energy of uh constant. I'm like, let's just do the right thing for the right thing's sake. And like, is it hurting anything? Is the right thing letting letting live, you know? No. Preach, brother. Preach, brother. Structure, order. It's required. It's necessary. Systems, Michael, the systems. He stole from me. That's the thing. That's the thing. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_04 22:29

Yeah, I guess the not 100% certainty of the truth is like a little gray area per se. But pretty sure. Pretty sure this is what happened.

SPEAKER_03 22:39

Like absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 22:40

So yeah, so it does like uh have negative consequences. At least to me. Yes. And potentially anybody in the future.

SPEAKER_03 22:48

Right. Right. Is he doing that to anybody else? Yeah. Just let y'all know. Yeah, I have friends at the gym. There's older, more mature people. There's right, there's the right person to talk to is someone that's there a lot, who takes ownership, who is more mature. She's a lady like in her forties, who's about about business, about trying to manage the place well. That's probably the right thing to do is to have that conversation.

SPEAKER_04 23:14

I think that's a reasonable next step or step at least. Something.

SPEAKER_03 23:24

Cause damn, who knows what position he's in? What he's willing to do. When I try to get the scripture, I feel like forgiveness is probably the thing. But at the same time, how many people are gonna get robbed? It's also just a red fog to like hang out in a locker room where guys are just like getting naked all the time. Like, bro, this is not the place to like hang out. There's like a lounge with a TV. Go fucking sit in the lounge, bro. You know what I mean? But I think if someone sits in that lounge for like three or four hours every day, it's a little like, what are you doing? You know what I mean? Or is that allowed? Is that part of the membership? I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 23:56

It's probably allowed. At least they might just put a clause in for amount of shower, shower room time you can log in a month.

SPEAKER_03 24:08

Yeah, I'm also like, I don't I feel like I was targeted because I was coming in with like a collared shirt and a tie and a big duffel bag every day on a routine. He's always sitting in the locker room, like able to put two and two together and be like, I'm gonna rob this guy. He's probably got some money. Damn, bro. Anyways, something something something moral, a moral question I've been sitting with on my chest. Good episode of house. That's what I was gonna ask you at the end of last week's pod. I just couldn't remember. Uh-huh. If you watched last week's pod.

unknown 24:40

Damn, bro.

SPEAKER_03 24:41

Uh, that's rough. That's rough, man. You got any you got any house episodes going on in your life?

SPEAKER_04 24:49

Um, I don't know, nothing really crazy going on. I guess we're just kind of we're gonna go to the Spurs game, so that's tight. Spurs are rocking, playoffs are dope. Celtics lost, which is crazy. Pistons almost lost two game sevens yesterday, now we're rocking next round of the playoffs. Here we go. Minnesota coming out of nowhere. We called that eons ago, bro.

SPEAKER_01 25:15

Call like Minnesota. Hey, Callag Minnesota, hey. I don't want water, not some soda. Hey.

SPEAKER_03 25:25

Yeah, I gotta sparse a sparse. There's something too. Have you ever heard uh that clip where Andrew Tate talks about his favorite word?

SPEAKER_04 25:40

I don't think so.

SPEAKER_03 25:41

It's like Favorite word? Yeah. One word. I think it's like one I think maybe it's like one word to describe Andrew Tate. Okay. My favorite word, which is unfalligable. It's a word I never heard before. Okay. While I find this clip, one word to describe Justin, what do you think?

SPEAKER_04 26:07

One word. I would like for it to be like godly. That'd be nice. That'd be awesome.

SPEAKER_03 26:16

No, I felt not for you, I f the same thing internally. I'd like for it to be something worthy, you know? Christ like.

SPEAKER_05 26:29

No, it's the goal. That's the goal. Holy that'd be nice.

SPEAKER_04 26:40

That's more elevated. More like regular secular world. Competent would be nice.

SPEAKER_03 26:52

I'd say heart. Heart. That's probably the truest worthy sentiment. I'd I don't know if I'm Christ like yet. I'm working on it. But I think I undeniably think I have a lot of heart my whole life. Yes, any of my coaches. I won the Fighting Heart award like three years in a row. So what is that? What's that pointing towards? You know what I mean? That boy don't quit. I'll tell you what. But sometimes I get to the end of my rope, I really do. It's just you've somehow gotta find more rope. Oh, I don't wanna. I guess let me turn the volume down and then I'll just read it to you. One word. Here we go. Oh, there it was. What describes you?

unknown 27:30

What would you like for it to be?

SPEAKER_03 27:34

And indefatigable. Indefatigable. Yes. Indefatigable. Yes. Okay. So his favorite word from his favorite saying. It's my unmatched persupacity coupled with sheer indefatigability makes me a feared opponent in any realm. In any human endeavor. So persp another word I never heard before was sorry, let the play button go later. Persopacity? Sorry, entertain, don't sue me.

SPEAKER_00 28:26

I never get tired of. I know everything I never get tired makes me a feared upon irrelevant and never unknown.

SPEAKER_03 28:35

It's weird because it sounds a lot like a Marduk description. Or not Mark. Well, yes, Mark. Well the Mesopotamian God of like their savior or like their person that they pointed to, that their leader was designed after, was someone who was could use magic words, like articulate eyes all around his head. With eyes all around his head. Yeah. And then the the words thing is crazy because I think like in the beginning Jesus Jesus was the word, right? Okay, yeah. That's where it wars with God. The word was God. Yes. The logos. It's what does that mean, Michael? What does it mean? These are words. They're illusions. No, that it hit me. All those things tied together because I realized like everything happens through dictation. Like your power is expressed through dictation. Leadership expressed through dictation. Love. Well, there's other ways to do these things, but ultimately it comes down to like your capacity to create order happens through your ability to speak. Communicate.

SPEAKER_04 29:39

Yes. Express Yes. Draw out of even if you don't speak, you still do like sign language, you know what I'm saying? So you're like you are expressing something that is like within you. You're channeling something.

SPEAKER_03 30:00

When like the devil was in the desert with Jesus, like Jesus like defeated him or like uh fought off temptation itself manifested with his words. It's like that's something that you put in your pocket because you're like if you get into these conflict places with like sin and stuff like that, you use your power of dictation to call on the word of God to defeat the temptation to sin. Yeah. It's both. I think like the Marduk thing of magic words is like pointing towards the same kind of thing, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 30:30

Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think the magic words are it. And they come from magic like thoughts to a degree as well. Like that's all there's more words that are going on. Internal doubt. Internal internal words. You can just like to do try to line up both of those things. Or there is power of both of them. For sure. For sure, for sure.

SPEAKER_03 30:51

But the percipacity. Percipacity. That's a word. Persipacity. My ability to my perception. Perception is like. He he describes it as notice things. Perception capacity. Yeah. Perceptipacity. But I think it goes beyond noticing things when you get to a certain point.

SPEAKER_04 31:13

Yeah, noticing things is like what? Internal dialogue? Awareness? To a degree. Yeah, maybe it's even non-verbal internal dialogue. The feelings we get.

SPEAKER_03 31:23

Intuition sometimes. Yes, they're tied together. Like your ability to read a table and intuit what the right suggestions are comes from a precipacity of that you've developed over time. It also can make you a good poker player. It can also help you navigate relationships. Invisible Inc., you gotta read things that aren't there. Like that's part of like you have to be able to do that, I think. I have to be able to do that in my life. I don't know if everybody does.

SPEAKER_04 31:55

And that is what it's like uh deeper or something in regards to like the narrative analysis.

SPEAKER_03 32:01

Yeah, like things won't always tell you exactly what they are. So you have to be able to read what they are. Otherwise, you'll never know what's really going on. And that's not good to never really know what's really going on. Obviously, we'll never know what's really going on. But if you want to navigate a work situation, want to navigate through a relationship. I think if you want to be a good father, be a good son, or if you're a lady, obviously different pronouns, but um think sometimes you gotta be able to like read things that aren't on surface level to have nuanced relationships with anything.

SPEAKER_04 32:40

There's nuance there that exists.

SPEAKER_03 32:43

Yeah. Like Julian is so humble, my friend. So humble that he will say things out of a humble attitude, but it's not necessarily exactly what he would like or want, or like to love that person would be to be like, like I know you're saying this, but I know you, and I know that this is how I want to act, despite like you're just you're being so humble, but no, I'm gonna like pay this tab, or like I got you a present, bro. Like, I know you didn't didn't want one, but then he it means a lot to him, you know what I mean? So it's like that's like one small way where like someone's like wants their favorite table, but doesn't want to make a big deal about it, but like, no, I can make that happen. Like, hold on. Then I give them their favorite table, and then they were really like, no, no, it's really okay, it's okay, it's okay. Like, no, I don't wanna blah blah blah blah. Then you get them the favorite table and they're like, Man, thank you so much. It's like, well, you know what I mean? Like, that's a visible ink, you know what I mean? And then also, like in a relationship, like worst case scenario, someone's like cheating on you, but like they'll never tell you that. That's like a certain kind of person is out there. There are snakes in the garden, and to be able to not be manipulated by that, you're gonna have to like see things that aren't on surface level. Like there's like people have tells, you know what I mean? Energy is palpable. The palpability of the nuance. Yeah, let's say, dog. Facts, bro.

SPEAKER_04 34:04

So then, yeah. So there we we we phrased it, we gave it a word, a term. It's a nuance itself, yeah. Nuance, abstract, like metaphysical. Like these are words pointing to an idea of the thing that we're talking about. Oh, yeah, by me.

SPEAKER_03 34:18

Oh, yeah. Now you now we're talking, yeah. Now we're talking, talking. Yeah, precipacity is so here's the thing, I think persupacity. It gets to a transcendent level where it's like beyond like rational thinking.

SPEAKER_04 34:33

We're learning a new word, folks.

SPEAKER_03 34:35

Let's go.

SPEAKER_04 34:35

We're diving into this idea. Yeah, I'm here for it. But you're saying what different capacity?

SPEAKER_03 34:41

Yeah, that's like the Minnesota thing. You know what I mean? Like our persapacity allowed us to know. There we go. Yes. It goes beyond you. Yes. It goes beyond any rational thinking. The further you look, the further it gets. Like, who would have How do you look? Like if we were sitting in the room with someone who didn't know us at all and we're like, dude, bet 10 racks on Minnesota. Did you see what just happened between us? They'd be like, Y'all are crazy. Like, no, I'm not gonna. Unless you had crazy percipacity and you were like, No, I know, I understand that you guys are perceiving something on a different level than normal perception allows to happen. And I'm have enough persupacity to realize that those things sometimes, those feelings, those intuitions are truer than what is like baseline level reality. So that's what I'm trying to describe. There's like a baseline like rational thinking, expectation, right? Line. Yeah, it's the same thing that atheists hold.

SPEAKER_01 35:29

Like, no, like science. Science, Michael.

SPEAKER_03 35:32

Yeah. How can there be a supernatural? It's like we live in like what I call the physics, the flat world. Like the world ain't flat, dog. It's like that was one of the that's like my one wish when I was a kid that the world wasn't flat. So happy that it's not. Flat world, not flat earth. Yeah, yeah, different things, different things. Like we're in the flat world, dreams never come true. You have no power to will yourself into different situations. Yeah, kind of the victim of the story. Yes, yes. You could never wish on a shooting star, you could never transcend. Magic isn't real, fairy tales don't come true, true loves don't exist, random chaos, stuck in situation. And that's a potential. Like when you're actually diagnosing what's going on here, you have to address that that might be what's going on here. I think that is that is definitely happening for sure.

SPEAKER_04 36:20

What do you mean? That aspect of the chaotic nature of things. Sure, sure. Even though the truth isn't like God's got us. But we but yes, the world is crazy. Narratives are out of your control. Yes, yes, you're right. Random things do happen. Yes. They do. You are in a story that can kind of be terrible sometimes. Yeah, the difference between terrible and hell. Yeah. Jordan Peterson was that. Yeah, yeah, there we go. That's it. That's it, dog.

SPEAKER_03 36:44

That's it. Shout out JBP. Read Maps of Meaning. Maps of Meaning. I put a kid on a 12 rules of life last night.

SPEAKER_04 36:49

The 12 rules of life, the 12 more rules, all the rules. I ran out of audiobook time on Spotify. I guess it was like a limit. I was like, dang it. I'll hop back into that probably sooner. I'm sorry. That's all good, man. JBP's the bomb, man. I love that guy, man. Pray for that guy. Pray for that guy, right? JBP, bro. Yeah. Yeah, dog. Life is terrible. Life is suffering. But even within this suffering, you can still find something that makes it not only like orthy, but like beautiful.

SPEAKER_03 37:19

Yep. Heaven is heaven. Yeah. The opposite of that. Yeah. If hell's real. It doesn't make heaven real on earth, but the thing we're describing is aligned with that, you know?

SPEAKER_04 37:32

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I think part of that just comes with whatever people give their life to God. And they're like, this is way better. This is I don't know, a different story. Are you able to use your story? Sometimes like the chaos behind the story and the level of suffering and the amount of suffering just almost gives it more strength. You know, or gives it more more oomph. More meaning. Yeah. Yeah. More power. It's like and I still like give faith and love and glory to God, no matter what. And now you're able to like use that as part of your story that's even more in drawing or reaching more people or connecting at a deeper level with more people. Than a story where you never suffer. And you're like, yeah, love is God's great. Like, yeah, of course it's easy for you to say that. Then you look at Job and he's like, nah, man, I'll never not say God's great. He's like, that's what's up. Respect. That's what we're doing here. Life is suffering.

SPEAKER_03 38:35

More powerful when Job says it than when. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 38:38

Yeah.

unknown 38:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 38:40

I think Pastor Ed said something like the most powerful, I don't know, I don't know powerful. Most valuable thing you own is your testimony. Mm-hmm. Right. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 38:51

The narrative of your life. Because you are not the main character of your life. That's the thing here.

SPEAKER_03 38:55

I wish I was wearing the shirts hanging up. That's why I love that shirt. I forgot it was a video game shirt. I forgot it was a video game referencing shirt. Because I'm just like the idea that it represents became more real to me on the shirt than the fact that it looks like a video game selection screen. Like I looked at it and I was like, I'm gonna wear it to men's conference, and I was like, oh, this is like a Tekken shirt. Like I didn't even like it was so crazy to me that I had like forgotten that. Because I'm like, that's not what it means. Like I'm wearing it for what it represents. And what it represents is more true than what it looks like, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And what it's saying is that like you're not the main character of your story. Like Jesus is the main character of the story. You there's a savior coming to save you.

SPEAKER_04 39:33

Honor that. Yeah. We are we are the main character of our story, but at the same time, we're definitely you shouldn't be. You're trying to drain yourself of you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's a whole thing. That's really giving you life to cries, brother. I think you testify to that. Yes. Through all the suffering that is reality itself, unfortunately. Unfortunately. The precipacity was because word of the day.

SPEAKER_03 40:00

Let's go. Let's go. We got independent and precipacity is not bad. That's not bad. Yeah. Uh I missed when we did word of the day. That would be a good one. I got one today. Okay, yeah. But uh I met a lady through a longer story. We ended up connecting on our ability for persupacity. And then I described it in that moment before I had made this connection with it. That I was like, I feel like just some people have like the lucky gene. But I'm being like, when I say that to her, I'm being very loose with what I mean when I say that. Because like if she asked me what I meant, it would have been this conversation. But I also I felt like she intuited that I wasn't being, I was kind of being nondescript. She was like, kind of was just like some people just have their third eye open. She kind of said it in like a whispered hush tone. Same thing though. It's like, what do you mean when you say that? I could have asked her the same question, but we both just like left it at I see you. Okay. I see that you see that I see what I see, and I see you for seeing that.

SPEAKER_04 40:57

It's persupacity.

SPEAKER_03 40:58

I think it's persupacity. If we were to have the longer conversation, her and I both have a high level persupacity that starts to transcend rational thinking to the point where you're because it's persupacity and then turns into intuition when you develop a system that allows you to trust your gut. Because once you trust, it's hard, but trusting your gut enough opens a bigger door for your persupacity to enter your action. Because at first it's like, I think maybe this is happening. I don't know. But once you're like, when I get this feeling, I act on it, I act on it, then you get a bigger doorway into having more of that feeling be there for you because you're developing a learning model. Yeah, firing those neurons more. Yes. The mental jujitsu. Totally. So like your intuition will develop once you create a system that allows you to act on your persupacity when it when it triggers outside of rational thinking. Because normally your mind is developed to like protect you and do the right, like the right thing, but be safe. So align yourself with rational thinking. Don't do irrational things because that's not safe. But then sometimes doing irrational things based on your persupacity means you have to go against certain neurons or different neurons. And that that's where it gets kind of weird. And so I think like within that, we both felt that we had the capacity to act outside of rational thinking through our personacity. And that makes us actually more nuanced and operate on a higher level than like normal people, not trying to be like narcissistic or ego. Baseline narrative. Baseline narrative, yeah. Normal itself, not normal people.

SPEAKER_04 42:25

Yeah, yeah. Whatever is the simulation we're going on in here. Yes. The story, the narrative that we're in, over us like uh this thing, here we are again. Life, there it is. Yeah, that's it. I was like, nah, this is 3D dog.

SPEAKER_02 42:39

This is 5D dog.

SPEAKER_04 42:40

Put on the VR goggles, bro.

SPEAKER_03 42:42

You're in here, brother. I'm sorry. So that was lit, cool, fun. I enjoyed it. I liked that inter when I talked to that lady. What do you call that? Dialogue. Yeah. Um exchange. That was the other word in my mind. You're made literally reading my mind. Uh encounter. Okay. I appreciate that encounter with that lady. Yeah, it's like hey, you've seen like Oz the Mentalist, right? What do you think of this gentleman? We have talked about this before, but I want to talk about it more. I'm happy to talk about it.

SPEAKER_04 43:14

I seen him on his uh on one of the podcasts uh I follow and kind of comment on, or I guess having them followed and then come across their clips. But they've been going for a minute. I think it's uh the basement yard, and he was on there with them, and it was like relatively recently within the last like month or so, and then seeing clips from that. And just he's just like taking them on a mental adventure. He's just like doing things that are inexplainable, freaking these guys out. I'm just my my immediate reaction almost is like, what is what you crack what's happening here? Yeah, what's happening here? Am I susceptible to that? Like, what is really going on here in this mental exchange that's happening in this abstract realm of like reading someone's mind? It's like, ah, I got Jesus though. So If you try to read my mind, would you be able to get in there? Bow down.

SPEAKER_03 44:05

So the authority of Jesus Christ doesn't pass.

SPEAKER_04 44:07

The blood of Jesus Christ told me, bro. You can't just like hop into my mental space. Or maybe it's just uh I don't know exactly what it is. So yeah, what are your thoughts on what that is?

SPEAKER_03 44:15

Well occumen occumency is Ocumency? Oculmency. Oculmency is a Harry Potter term.

SPEAKER_05 44:24

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 44:25

But it's how you wall your mind from the evil spirit. And then in Harry Potter, you have to develop that. Like you're not good at it at first. And you have to build that. And then that I think is a real thing. Like oculmency is a fictional term, but there's not really a real term for it. So I think that's real. I also think you have to be careful with your spirit. Like on, you know, learn not to accidentally engage in deals with the devil. Because sometimes you can do that on accident, and it's not always literally the devil himself, but it's being at the casino and taking the loan out, or shaking your hand in a deal that you don't know all the details on, or getting into a relationship with someone that you're not 100% sure it's the right kind of relationship to be in. It's like you're giving your spirit a little bit to something beyond you. Like it's like a contract almost. So that's like I think you have to be careful with what you give your spirit to, so that way those things don't happen to you. Good personacity would also help to know which things are good for you and which things are not good for you, which things, which things seem aligned with Christ-like energy, holy, good, and which things seem a little like I don't know, man, you know, like uh I don't know if I should take this drink from this stranger that wants to buy me a drink, you know. I don't know if I want to engage in that. So I think that's part of what I think about like so as the mentalist, right? It's like he's going to I imagine like after a while when you're hanging out with this guy, he's gonna be like, This is your card, right? And this is your card, right? And then okay, do this, do this, do this. And he puts you in a position mentally where you're just listening to instruction and doing what he tells you to do. And so at that point, he can kind of it leaves your mind more open to hacking in that sense, I think, because you're just like, you tell me what to do, what to say, what to think, and then I'm just responding with do that, do that, do that. But that's a weird place to be with anybody. Like I only want to be in that place with like Jesus, you know what I mean? But you're letting him step into that place, and then he has more like hackability into your subconscious. So I think that's part of how people are getting like tricked, or like what the magic is behind it. It's like he's getting into a transcendent subconscious place that goes beyond rationality, kind of like the personacity can be. And then on baseline, we're like, how the hell is he what? But like he's like operating in a transcendent Gandalf place where it's like using magic that would blow your mind, you know. That's if I have to try to, I mean, I don't know what's going on there, bro. You know what I mean? Like it's crazy, bro.

SPEAKER_04 46:51

Because then the question, yeah, is that does he have access to your mind? Or like to is he just like can he just judge anybody? On some level, for most people, I'd say if you're willing to participate for sure, but if you're willing to participate, that's that's the thing, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 47:04

Yeah. And even so they can't hypnotize everybody. You know what I mean? That's what I'm saying. I was like, I got some lamb's blood, dog.

SPEAKER_04 47:12

Holy lamb.

SPEAKER_03 47:13

Some people have low low, is it susceptibility is a word, but there's a word that the CIA mind hacker guy uses. Suggestibility. There it is, low suggestibility. Baseline, low suggestibility. So if high suggestibility both exist. Um, like if a hypnotizer is trying to hypnotize 10 people on a stage, it's like a common magic trick, then like he will bring 10 people up and he'll run like uh like a couple baseline testers, feelers, and then he'll immediately eliminate two or three people. They're too low in susceptibility for this to work. Then those other people that are higher, he can get them to be hypnotized and be like, all right, when I snap my fingers, you're going to crawl around and bark like a dog. People like woof woof woof woof woof. You're like, what the hell? Yeah. Woof woof is me and my baby's term for dogs. That's why I went to woof woof.

SPEAKER_04 48:05

Going in like a great danger.

SPEAKER_03 48:07

Yeah. Mm-hmm. I watched Emilio's brother Sergio. Okay. It went to Vegas and then they went to a hypnosis show and then they recorded it, and he got the DVD afterwards and brought it home, and they got him.

SPEAKER_04 48:18

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_03 48:19

They were like, sing, sing Mary Had a Little Lamb, like your Marilyn Monroe.

SPEAKER_05 48:23

And he's like, Mary!

SPEAKER_03 48:27

Stop. He's going all out, bro. Stop. I'm watching it laughing my laughing so hard. Oh god, I can only imagine. Is that real? He's like, dude, I yeah, like they got it's real. Like they got me. Like, I don't know. I don't really remember it? Yeah, it's like kind of hey, it's kind of a blur, kind of like uh like I was dreaming almost. I was like, whoa, what the hell is that? You know what I mean? What is hypnotism?

SPEAKER_04 48:57

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's kind of what we're getting at here. This is the suggestibility.

SPEAKER_03 49:05

It's a big one. What do you think is happening with Osamentalist?

SPEAKER_04 49:12

Something is going on in the abstract realms, the consciousness, uh the perceptibility things that we're talking about that go beyond baseline narrative of things. Maybe he's able to tap into that, or yeah, it says like Gandalf training or like ability in that. And hypnotists in general. Like, what is that the study of? Like, where's that coming from? Who's the first people to go into this hypnotherapy or hypnotism? Yeah, you know what I mean. How did we find out about this? And what is that place? What is that place? It's obviously real. I say obviously, but I don't know if I'm that high in susceptibility. Because I guess someone who does go through it and does say, like, yeah, I did the things, like, here's like the video of it, and I'll remember it all. It's like, okay, so what's that? That place exists.

SPEAKER_03 50:00

Yeah, that was that podcast that day was Sergio, a guy trusted, really uh conservative, like not someone who would just go scream, Mary had a little lamp. You know what I mean? Like, no way. Was like, yeah, dude, like hymnotism is real for sure. Facts. It happened to me, and you know I'm not that guy. I was and I'm being honest. And I was like, yo. So there's something there for sure.

SPEAKER_05 50:23

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 50:25

So yeah, that's I guess we have to, I don't know. We have these natural, like, we have a capacity for worship, which is a weird thing. Like you're gonna worship something, obedience, something there's rules to your biochemistry and your psychology that exist beyond your understanding of those rules. And you can learn about them and gain wisdom, but it's not like you just get a manual for this thing, you know? So something along those lines, also in the manual, would say, like, hey, you can be hypnotized. Authority will do that to you, someone walking in a suit will do that to you, beautiful woman can do that to you. Things that kind of like shock your perception of what's going on here, you know? Based on natural and normal understandings. Someone walk, you ever seen the guys that moving with the wind? Yeah. You ever see a guy that walks in with like a yellow vest on, like a blue-collar shirt, and he's like, Hey, I'm here to check the radiator. And they'll be like, Alright, yeah, it's in the back. And then he'll just be back there, and then he's got like a clipboard, and then or like some of the funnier ones, they'll just start go back there and start gambling on rain bet, and then they'll like make $200 and then be like, Alright, looks good to me. Like, yeah, you're good to go, man. No worries. And it's just like uh I think they call it free will maxing. It's like showing people like how you could first you put a hard hat on, you can get in anywhere, you know. It's like a funny thing people will do on Instagram, it's also kind of messed up. Yeah, yeah, dude. What's going on? I don't know. I don't know. Could just be straight up witchcraft.

SPEAKER_04 51:59

Need the blood of Jesus, though.

SPEAKER_03 52:00

I think that might help some people bow down to Jesus, witchcraft. Friendly, like, yeah, every knee will bow. So Pastor Ed was saying at church, he was going in. The demons will bow to Jesus. Like your addiction will bow to Jesus. You have to call on Jesus. He is the word. That authority. Yeah. The authority. He gave that authority to you to use Jesus.

SPEAKER_04 52:23

All the authority on earth and heaven. You got it. Society. It's like, yes, yes, bro. Activating body.

SPEAKER_03 52:34

The Von had a lot. Yeah, I saw that. You've seen him praying hard, yeah. Feeling like he's touched by Jesus lately? Mm-hmm. Me too. Mm-hmm. He had that prayer where he said, you know, I asked Jesus to come into the corners of my subconscious that even I can't wrangle or ascertain or handle.

SPEAKER_04 52:52

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 52:53

And I was like, that's powerful, bro.

SPEAKER_04 52:55

Like, that's how you do it, bro. Yeah. That's the mental jujitsu talking about, bro.

SPEAKER_03 52:59

Yeah, you know that prayer I'm talking about?

SPEAKER_04 53:00

Yeah. Yeah. I saw that and I was like, part of me is like, I'm not gonna do it anymore. But he's like, another part of me, it's a deeper part of me, higher part of me, something that's outside of my part of me, is saying, but you know you're gonna you're gonna fall back, or whatever. He's like, get that part.

SPEAKER_03 53:12

Yeah, yeah, bro.

SPEAKER_04 53:13

That was he's not praying right here, he's praying like here and there. You know, you gotta go, it's deep, it's out there. It's out there. The battles that you're fighting, yeah, the mental levels, layers, and nuance, the thought, yeah, perceptibility.

SPEAKER_03 53:31

But yeah, that was a hard prayer. The Ovan, shout out. That was dope. We want to talk about as a mentalist. I want to talk about that. That was juxtaposition. Like, there's also high-level good magic, you know what I mean? I mean, that's crazy, you know? That's a I don't even know what the right words are. It's powerful, it's powerful Christianity. Speaking of powerful, last thing on my docket of things I wanted to get off my docket today before we just free. Or if you want to take over the mic, when it's just like a story, okay. It's my testimony. I'm not trying to be like my life is cool or anything.

SPEAKER_02 54:02

I'm not just testimony.

SPEAKER_03 54:04

I'm at church. There's like an altar call and then a call to anoint with oil as well. I go to the altar, pray for my life. Things aren't always easy. Then I go and in the Bible, Pastor Ed, anointing with oil is important. It's like go to a church that uses oil. Stephanie, put oil over my house, almost to a point where you would think I was a little off my rocker because I believe in the supernatural. Like, light me up, do the thing. And then I'm like waiting for this guy, I notice this old lady, and then I like waiting for the guy, and then I go back to my noticement of the lady, which is hyperceptibility. Things come to your attention. Normally, a lot of times she'll be like, Okay, but sometimes you gotta be like, wait, why did that come to my attention? It's like a Jordan Peterson thing. It's like, so then I go back to where my attention went to, and then I realize that she also has a bottle of oil, but she's but I'm also like kind of standing waiting next, and she's not like coming to me, which is why I didn't think that she was also anointing. So then I just like go up to her and I'm like, um, she's like, hi. And then I'm like, hi, um, I'd like to be anointed with oil if that's okay. Which is weird that sometimes just like so humble at church it even trips me out. I'm like, I'm I'm nervous to ask for these things. Yeah, right. I want it, I want this if that's okay. May I please? Is that am I in alignment with what's allowed to happen here, you know? She's like, Yeah, what do you want to be anointed with? Power? I was like, no. Like, in my mind, I'm like, that's like a weird thing to want. You know what I mean? I don't rock with people that just want power for power's sake. I'm like, not really. And then or then she's like, um, feels my hesitation, and she's like, Well, do you want to like tell me what's going on in your life? And I was just like, give her like three sentences, and then she's like, Nope, I'm anointing you with power. I was like, okay. Okay. And she was like, and wisdom, power and wisdom. What else could you want? I was like, what what else could you want? Thank you, ma'am. I don't know. Also, maybe that was like the check, too, or like this analysis just made me realize that me saying, like, no, I don't want power, like, I want help from Jesus. She was like, nope, you're the guy that gets power. And I was like, Yeah, that's like brand. Like, you give it to someone that doesn't crave it, you know what I mean? But I don't know. I was just all all day after that, I'm like, what does that even mean? What does that mean? Like, why did you feel that? Why are we in church? And you're like, power. It's not naturally associated, I think, with the tenets of Jesus Christ. And also, like, what did you mean for that in my life? Like, I don't control the narrative. Power to what? You know what I mean? Yeah, you're trying to give me control or like trying to put me in a position where I'm not being drugged by the truck, I'm the truck. I don't understand.

SPEAKER_04 56:51

I don't know. Well, this is one way that I'm I think about I guess the power with the wisdom for sure. It's like the uh identifying what needs to be done, the doing it. As far as like power, like power over your self-will or yourself. Very well.

SPEAKER_03 57:03

Yeah, I thought about that too. The power to not do things you're not supposed to do.

SPEAKER_04 57:09

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, to really be about that, to embody that for real.

SPEAKER_03 57:14

Yeah.

unknown 57:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 57:16

It takes a certain kind of power.

SPEAKER_01 57:21

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 57:23

Yeah, power is also constructed as you get like control or like want to be in power. Like it's like a dictatorship, you know, so like a tyranny or a mad king. Like that does that also is power as well. For sure. Satan's powerful. But Jesus is more powerful.

SPEAKER_03 57:40

Think about like power lifting, strength.

SPEAKER_04 57:42

Mm-hmm. Potency, intensity, impact, stoutness.

unknown 57:47

Stout.

SPEAKER_03 57:49

I love when I see someone that's stout. That's how I describe Daryl Strawberry. That man was stout with Christ. Like that was potent, palpable amount of Christ-like energy on that guy. Like every thought he had went through the frame of Jesus. We love you, Daryl. He's like, stop saying my name. Love Jesus. You don't shout anybody's name, shout Jesus' name. It's like that was a quick first thought. His first thoughts are straight through the lens of Jesus. I think you gotta stay in the Bible every day for your first thoughts to go through the lens of Jesus. Like, what are you watching? What are you what you consuming?

SPEAKER_04 58:22

Why are you consuming it? Yeah, what are you consuming? Dude, sticking to consuming forest Frank dropping open verses with the song that he had a sample from Pastor Philip Anthony Mitchell on the intro. I'm like, yo, this is dope. Life is tight. Life really clicking on me. Life is tight. The revival's happening for real, for real. I feel like I feel like it's coming. I feel like it's coming. Maybe in the next like 50 years or so, bro. If not us than our grandkids, probably.

SPEAKER_02 58:51

Do you trust Pastor Ed?

unknown 58:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 58:52

Yeah, right. Yeah. He's like, it's coming. My Priscacity says it's coming. You know, Percepacity told me perpetuity. That's a Jordan Peterson Ed.

SPEAKER_05 59:02

No.

SPEAKER_02 59:02

Oh, it sounded like a mix. It's a bar. That's really hard.

SPEAKER_04 59:08

Press capacity pay me in perpetuity. Okay, that's Church Hill Downs vibes. Come on, bro. For real. But yeah, he had an open verse challenge. It's like, yeah, I think they might be just a good practice for us just to get into that lane. It's funny because why Robert also asked me last time I saw him at uh at the spot, he was like, when's the next album coming out? Someone asked me that too, man. Someone asked me that too, man. We did make some bangers, but now I want to make prize music for sure. We'll probably leave the bangers up because they're good, bro.

unknown 59:40

They're good.

SPEAKER_03 59:40

It's a testimony.

SPEAKER_04 59:42

It's a testimony. That's the beautiful thing. It's a beautiful story. It's a gift we've always we've always had. It's been the beginning of MJ38 since the beginning. We just didn't know how to or what the phrasing was like or what the exact tangible, accurate words to put on the movement was, or what was pushing us, what was driving us, what we were trying to aim towards and embody. But now it's like, oh yeah, we're just trying to be Christ like and encourage others to do the same. That's kind of what the whole thing's been about. How to live, like be your ideal self, or like try to be the victor of your own story, be the hero, do your own thing. Or I guess take conscious control, yeah, maximize your willpower and take as much conscious control as you can over your story and then also battle the abstract, the metaphysical portions of it as well that create your story. MG38. So I think if we were to start making music again, it'd be good practice to get or just start with this or something like that. At least the idea of getting reps in that direction. I'm definitely not opposed to making music again. It's not like I quit music, you know what I'm saying? It's always there. It's always a creative outlet expression that just exists within me. You know what I'm saying? It's like Donald Glover. He does all of that stuff. He just has that creative expression gene, and then he does it and expresses it through whatever medium he's like inspired by at the moment. Making music, movies, writing, comedy, or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:04

Connor Price talks about it too. Uh-huh. He talks about I have this thing, and the people that I know that have this thing are Idris Eldra, Idris Elda, and then Donald Glover. It's like the people that I'm like, they do it all. I want to do it all. Why do we want to do it all? It's because of this creative expression outlet, capacity for making good art, something like that. Parsapacity? Perhaps, yeah. Or your persupacity coupled with wanting to express it creatively.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:34

Yeah. Yeah, dog. So definitely not opposed to making music. But if then the question is, yeah, so if you do come back to making music, would it be what kind of music will we make?

SPEAKER_03 1:01:44

I can't say some of the things I've got to do.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:45

Back to the original conversation, the secular version. This is the brad, this is the bridge we're gaping, I think, right here, bro. I think this is part of our ministry.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:52

Oh no.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:53

Might be what gives us power.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:55

Even the podcast itself, like I say bad words sometimes, and it happens. The first thing you said was glory hole.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:02

I'm not shading you. I didn't say those.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:04

I'm not shading you at all. I absolutely said that. No, but but I mean that you're not gonna get that on the Pastor Ed podcast, I don't think.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:09

I don't think so, no.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:10

Okay, so that's what I'm saying. There's a are we wrong for not doing that? Like, that's my question for Pastor Ed. If I if I could have a would you rather have a dinner with Steph Curry or a dinner with Pastor Ed?

SPEAKER_04 1:02:23

Pastor Ed.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:24

Right? Yeah, that's a weird sentiment. Yeah, me too. But in that dinner, that would be one of the things I would talk to him about for sure. Because also in a dinner you only have so much time. But I would bring that up because I want to know what he thinks about it. No shade of Steph Curry.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:38

But yeah, that's a that's a kind of world-splitting question, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 1:02:45

Dinner with Steph Curry would be awesome. That'd be tight. There's a lot of things that I would be interested to ask him legitimately. Yes. You know what I mean? Absolutely. Good fundamental defining questions. But I still just think that the conversation in questions with Pastor Ed would be more valuable.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:59

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:01

Should we do a clean podcast or clean comedy or clean music? That's there it is. I didn't know what the question is. That's a better question. Right. Is there more moral value or Christian value? Christian values and moral values the same? Okay. Maybe they shouldn't be with you. Different question. Hold on to that one, Pastor Ed. But no, yeah. Is Jerry Seinfeld more Christian than Dave Chappelle? What if Des Chappelle gives his life to Christ more than his regular life?

unknown 1:03:31

Who knows?

SPEAKER_03 1:03:33

There's definitely things in the Bible. Like there's a verse in Ephesians that says that you should use your words to lift people up and use them full of grace for like the furtherment of the kingdom. Something um that's my next scripture to memorize. I don't have memorized yet. There's another scripture that says your words should always be full of grace and full of salt. I think that Pastor Ed might point me to those scriptures. There's another thing where it's like, I want to like address things. Like I don't want to be like, I can't address something because of a different thing. Like I want to flush things out. I never want to be afraid to flush something out. So like you needed to bring up the podcast was talking about glory holes, and you're like, that's not my glory. Like I don't even want to like entertain that per se. It's hard for me to be entertained by that entertainment. So I had to switch it up and go back to Christ. Like, but it's like you were flushing something out. I don't want to be afraid to flush anything out. Flesh it out, flesh it out. Yeah, yes, yeah, yeah, that's what you're saying. That's that's like important to me on the axiomatic level. It's like we should we should be able to talk about anything. I feel that way with like your partner or your friends too. Sometimes you're like being graceful or like you don't always want to call everybody out all the time. Sometimes you want to like like sometimes I want to process a situation before I react to the situation, and I also want the situation to process to the situation to give it time to maybe act react the way it wants to. But just immediately trying to flesh it out right then and there isn't always the right thing to do. But I don't want to all the time. No. And if I make that choice, that's fine. But I don't want to be afraid to flesh it out because of the consequences or yes, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:14

Right. Yes. That's having the sword and sheathing it. Yes. And then wielding it being meek with it. Right. Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:23

But you think we're bridging the gap. And I think that that's something that, right? We're doing that, right? I think so. Right? I think so. That's what I've always thought my entire life. It's like my dad is home base. And I could go work on home base with my dad, like the pastoral team or like the ministry or the church. But I feel more called to be a bridge from the world to home base than to work in the walls of the home base. Also, maybe that's just my ego not wanting to give my full life to Christ. I don't think so, but it's possible.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:54

Maybe.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:59

Maybe that's Think we all have something, we all have a story. I think it's part of our story, and it'll it'll incorporate itself the way it needs to be incorporated and manifest as it needs to be manifested. But then, yes, that's what maybe is is it manifesting is making clean music like Forrest Frank? Because if we're gonna hop on this Forrest Frank song, hypothetically, whatever, make it make a verse for it, it's like holy right. I usually don't go out of my way to cuss in songs anyway. You know what I'm saying? That's another thing. So it's not it's not even like a far bridge to get for myself.

unknown 1:06:31

Yeah, not there, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:33

Some sentiments, some expressions only carry their full weight with a cuss word in the expression. So sometimes that would be the that would be the instance in which I would cuss. That's the art. But if it's just a rhyme or word, I don't do it. And if it's for pointlessness or filler, I'm not gonna do it. Or if I can be more clever or more graceful or say something better than the curse word that I used in that sentence, then I'll I'll evaluate that. Like this is a this is higher level stuff. This is uh sometimes you can say the same, you can express the same thing without saying the raunchy thing. Yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I'm like, that was cool, that was valuable, that was high level. You took like a low frequency thought that you wanted to communicate, then you did alchemy to it, and you created a higher frequency thought that was still the thing you wanted to communicate. You could have taken the low ball easy way out, but instead you did a little jujitsu and got them in a leg lock. Nice, nice, yeah. Right. Good move. Feels good when I do that, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:31

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like what we attribute that to people who are like yeah, like more nuanced artists or people who are more abstract. Entenres with bars on different expressions of ideas.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:43

J. Cole. But then the yeah, there's low-level tropes that exist, low-hanging fruit in those regards.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:54

That's flesh.

unknown 1:07:55

That's flesh.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:56

It's also like in conversation, too. Like, sometimes I was trying to get a point across about like um doing the right thing, and then like different religions have like a different definition of how they go about doing the right thing. Like, I know like Buddhists are pretty like detached, and like yogis, for instance, say there's no right or wrong, right? Okay, okay. Well, if you're walking down an alley and you look down the alley and you see, and then my mind wants to create the worst kind of scenario I possibly could, but then that was gonna create a moment in the conversation that was gonna be like uh like I was gonna say like a woman being sexually abused in an alley, right? But that was gonna be like a stun on the con people are gonna be like have a hard time going back to the thought that I'm creating up here. So then I paused and I was just like, a woman getting beat up in an alley. Because there's not a lot of difference in what I'm describing to you from those two scenes, but it pulled the stun grenade out of the situation. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was like, that's fi, bro. Like that's sick, dude. Like, way to Priscipacity. Yeah. I was like, more of that, more of that. Like, find more ways to pull the stun grenades out of the because it doesn't serve the actual conversation I'm trying to have.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:12

Yeah, it almost dampens it sometimes or hinders it a little bit. Yes. It'd be too stunning or too uh like refracting. Like, yep. I got him here with me, like let's just stay here. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:25

Stay here. But yeah, I promise you, if it's frequency. You look down there, it's like that's wrong. It's like, what if it's your mom? You know what I mean? Is it more wrong, less wrong? It's not wrong, like it's wrong, bro. There is right and wrong. But they're also saying it on a more abstract level, like testimony is testimony, which is kind of what I was gonna say about this whole Forrest Frank thing, is like like there uh man. Part of Daryl Strawberry's testimony was I've like seen it all, I've done it all, had it all, everything you possibly dream of, more or less through any kind of lens, been there. And then I feel Solomon-esque in the sense of saying like it ain't there, bro. Oh, life is vanity. Yeah, dude. Like uh, I I guess Solomon, which is a crazy thing to say, right? But that's his testimony, you know what I mean? And it's almost more powerful that he did what he did and can tell us that than if he's just someone who never did it and then saying, like, oh, Solomon said all life's vanity. It's like, yeah, you know, yeah, yeah, he said that. But then you see a guy that actually did all that, you know what I mean? It just carries more weight to it, which is kind of like what we talked about earlier. Stop. And I think that's the same thing with what we're talking about as far as like, should we make a clean podcast or like should we be clean? It's like, I don't know. I don't know how much some of the eight are we're not exactly writing our own testimony. Like, God is writing a testimony through us. And now, like you ask me, like, yeah, I'm I can't make that same music. I can't, but I still need to make music, I do. So I'm gonna have to make forest rank music. Like, it's not even like me, these aren't choices I'm making, you know? And I think that's part of the testimony part, is that like you're not exactly making all the choices in your life all the time. Like you're serving spirits, is what Jordan Peterson would say. I feel like you're serving deities. And all you can do systematically is try to serve the right deity. What's the right limits? What's the right framework?

SPEAKER_04 1:11:11

What are the right walls? What's the truth? How do I have a good life?

SPEAKER_01 1:11:20

You know?

SPEAKER_04 1:11:21

Handle the situations that are presented to me, and then also handle them mentally. It's like you can develop that thing. And then I guess even like the mental thought process of developing that thing is also coupled with the emotional aspect. It's like you can feel that thing. It's like, and that thing feels great. That thing feels great. It's undeniable. It's undeniable, making you cry. Or something's out there making you cry. You gotta be careful what you give someone this worship to. What are you allowed to charge you like mentally?

SPEAKER_02 1:11:55

Yes. Yes, I feel like emotionally.

unknown 1:12:00

Oh no. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:01

I pray for everybody's discernment. That's discernment, bro. It's wisdom. You're in my hand. I love it, bro. I love this guy. Where's the camera? I love this guy. We're in here, bro.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:11

That's what this podcast is about. Metaphysical. How long are we talking for? Uh like an hour change, hour and 10, hour and 12.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:18

You good for another 10, 20, or are you trying to?

SPEAKER_04 1:12:19

Yeah, I can go for like 30 minutes.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:20

Okay, cool. Yeah. Do we want to try to make something else today? Yeah, we gotta do some myself some less too. Five more minutes?

SPEAKER_04 1:12:26

Okay. Yeah, yeah. We'll just we'll round her out, try to put a bow on this here in the next couple minutes. Life is great. You know, we were talking about before all this, one of the connective points in the beginning was the Force Frank. Oh, we gotta write that verse.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:42

I never actually said anything back to you. Okay, yeah, we'll be dealing with that. Yeah, absolutely. How do you deal with all of that? Absolutely. So I don't know the song. I don't know the melodies in my head, but I know that we gotta write this verse. And then it's gonna be even, I mean, even if Force Frank doesn't take us on tour, like regardless, it's the next right step for us. Philip Anthony Mitchell and Forrest Frank are calling us to at least do this creative exercise that's going to push us down the road of making Christian music. And that's the thing that's important that's happening right now. Yeah, more important than the any of the outcome. Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:14

Outcomes, outcomes out of your control. Let go the outcomes stop being married to the outcomes. You can't be married to is they're important to have, but they're you cannot make them your God. You can't do it.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:25

You're don't marry anything. Jesus is marrying you. You're the bride of Christ. Don't marry yourself to like anything. Just be married to Christ, accept that that's the thing that it's like you gotta flip it on its head a little bit. But I just see people marrying their how things are going, to how they feel, their self-worth, the outcomes to their self-worth, the current reality that they're living in. Their perception of the current reality of their living. It's not even like that's what I'm saying, discernment. I pray for your I pray for everybody's discernment for real, because you think you have discernment, you think you understand discernment, but I've seen people use discernment to worship the wrong things. And that can happen, y'all. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. What do you think about the Forest Frank stuff, Sambo?

SPEAKER_04 1:14:18

I think it's dope. Yeah. The song itself is dope. The collab is dope. The narrative implications within our story, dope. I'm saying, okay, this is all dope. This is all good. That's a cool thing that happened. I'm here for it. Parkshire Rike, or not Parkshaw Rike again. Protect our parks. Yeah, I'm saying, I don't know, we'll see how I balance this going forward. I do enjoy Joy Rogue, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:14:46

We do. We like, dude. I haven't listened to him in a while though, but you know, me neither. I haven't. I've listened to every podcast for the last three years, and then in the last three months, I've there's probably been 12 that came out, and I only listened to two. So that's like noticeable data, you know? Mm-hmm. Something's something's changing a little bit. Um bachelor party, if I if I was selling a bachelor's party and I wanted to drink a bottle of Buffalo Trace, smoke cigars, and play poker with with my guys, who in the world is gonna tell me not to do that? You know what I mean? But so that's okay, that this was one thought that earlier that I let sit on the simmer. But it's like the spirit behind what you're doing is more important necessarily than the thing that you're doing. So, like, if we we're doing that in like good fun or like culturally, like this is people have bachelor parties, we want to s you guys want to celebrate me. I'm celebrating in a relatively like lighthearted, fun nature. I'm not trying to go do something like gross, you know what I mean? Like I'm really like, yeah, let's just like get tipsy, maybe get a little drunk, have some cigars, play some poker, have a good time. That's why I hang out with my boys. Like, I don't think that that's not Christian valued. I don't think so. Because the spirit behind it is genuine, you know what I mean? Or like uh yeah. On a moral spectrum, I don't think it's evil.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:10

Mm-hmm. No, I don't think there's yeah, yeah. The intention behind it, I don't think there's any evil intentions. The road to hell is paid with good intentions, though. The spirit. The spirit, what are you doing it for? What are you doing it in?

SPEAKER_03 1:16:24

How how how balanced are you for real? Same thing with Oz the mentalist. Like if he's doing it in a good spirit, like if you can do magic for fun to make people laugh, but if you're doing it to hack people's brains because you want control over people, that's a bad spirit to follow. Blood of Jesus talk. Yeah, bow down. Meet me at the rack. Oz. Yeah, if that's a spirit, that's uh then the final thought was like joker. Like the a joker is an important thing, the jester is an important thing, but uh the a good jester is in the right spirit trying to bring attention to the hypocrisies and inadequacies of the king in a light-hearted poke fun at it so we can laugh at it because it is true. You need to be able to accept that, take that criticism, find it funny on some level, but also bring it to your awareness so maybe you can make a change. And that's the proper relationship between jester and king. But if you're just a troll, why are you trolling? You're probably following a bad spirit that led you into trolling. So, like the spirits that orient us, that's where it gets weird because you can pose yourself doing the right thing, but if you're following the bad spirit, it's not gonna look like the right thing for very long. It might in this moment, but give it it six months, a year, two years. That that spirit grows inside you, and then it's gonna get dark. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:53

I guess they even translate the clean music to like you don't drink. It's like I guess because some Christians like don't drink. Some people don't drink, some alcoholics, ex-alco alcoholics can't even have like a drink. They don't drink at all, you know what I'm saying? Yep. But then people who can, I guess, balance it or like drink for the weddings or drink for the celebration. So in some ways, it's not Jesus gave us wine and said it was the blood of Christ. It's wine of all things you could have chosen. I know. Yeah, that's like not juice. Not juice, it's intoxicating. Oh that was hard.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:27

Yeah. See what I'm saying? Something with me? Sometimes you rap.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:30

That's dope. I'm with you. That's what I'm saying, bro.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:34

It says creative expression. That's that feeling in the car where I'm like making dope. Yeah. Sometimes you're like, I'm cooking. This is tastes good. This is fire.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:45

This is fire, dude. You gotta have that confidence. Our old songs are good. This stuff is good. In that practice, it'll be good.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:53

I think it's our testimony. I think this bridge thing that I've felt in my life is maybe the testimony. Final thought for me. I think there's something a little bit more powerful about us doing well in the secular world, making great secular music, uh subjectively great secular music, doing all of that, and then ultimately like making the decision that it's not we only want to make this kind of music, or we don't want our podcast to be just shits and giggles. Like, we want to talk about Christ, we want to go to church every week. Like, if you just grow up, like I could have more have just grown up in a Christian household and been like, I'm a Christian, I follow all the Christian stuff. It's like, am I an ideologue? You know what I mean? I think it's a little more powerful of a testimony to have success in a lot of areas, and we could have just been successful in those areas that we were in, but instead we still put that down to like do it more in a Christ-like fashion or make this kind of music instead. And Forrest Frank is a similar testimony where he you know was making surfaces, yeah, which was great. And they could have been huge, but instead was like, no, I want to do it this way. Now he's bigger than huge.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:01

He's big, dog.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:02

That boy's big.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:03

He's big, dog. He's been going off, no.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:06

So yeah, I think when so when we connect with somebody, we don't look like an ideologue, you don't seem like an ideologue. You don't, I think your opinion has weight to it because you're not an ideologue. And then that makes your testimony more impactful, which is probably serving the kingdom of Christ a little bit more. No disrespect anybody that grew up in the church and been a great Christian their whole life at all. I don't think you're an ideologue per se. I'm just saying that God takes all makes good of all things for people that love Christ.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:34

Yeah, I think we kind of alluded to that earlier too. Idea gives it more power, makes it more potent. It gives us something oomph behind it. Mm-hmm. It's Job. It's Job.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:45

Yeah. It's Job. This was the thought I had when we were talking about that. But I was like Simma. Similar on the backbone. Semodale. Daryl Strawberry, also another guy who same thing. I want to be as potent as that guy, as stout as him. Yeah, stout. That guy smells like Jesus. Can I explain it? The aroma. I like this Yeshua hoodie too. Yeah. That was fi.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:10

Here for it.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:11

Do you understand? I'm gonna be honest, I don't really understand what Yeshua means, or like I don't get the reference.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:16

It just means Jesus. That's just like was it Jesus the person?

SPEAKER_03 1:21:22

Or Jesus wasn't alive back then, so what were they referencing? Just the name. The name Jesus. But was Jesus walking around on earth at that point in time? So how did they know that? It was like he was called it was prophesized. What was? That that his name Yeshua would come.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:40

Um I think they just referred to him as the Messiah. I don't think they knew him as Yeshua. That the Messiah would come. Maybe, I don't know, I'm not 100% sure.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:50

I'm not either.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:50

Oh I think Yeshua's just like Jesus, like there was other Jesuses, I'm pretty sure, like at the time. Like Jesus of Nazareth is like the specificity behind him. It was like a name for it's like Jesus for like for people. And Yeshua is just the original pronunciation of that name. Pronunciation. Pronunciation. Yeah. God. And that name I'm sure has been around for a long time.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:12

God.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:13

Okay, cool. And then I'm pretty sure the angel came and told him Microsoft told her his name's gonna be Jesus. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:20

Yes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:22

God saves is his name. There was another Jesus on the cross, on the three crosses with him, right? Am I mistaken that?

SPEAKER_04 1:22:29

Um something about Barabbas and Jesus. Yeah, I think Barabbas' name was Jesus. That's what it was. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The guy he got traded out for.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:38

Yeah. His name was Jesus. Which is kind of crazy. Yeah. But he wasn't Yeshua. Or Yeshua is just is Jesus in a different language? Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay.

unknown 1:22:50

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:51

Thanks for flushing that out with me.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:52

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's a whole that's a crazy story. His name is Jesus Barabbas. Crazy story. Son of the Father. It's like his last name translation. Yes, that's what I'm trying to reference. Yeah, but I don't know it. Traded out with Jesus. Son of man, son of the Father. It was the uh, I guess there's like an old, or whenever he Jesus gets traded out, it's like, do you want the prisoner to go to the cross, or does Jesus got to go to the cross? And the public voted for the Jesus to go to the cross instead of this little criminal or whatever prisoner. So then he like traded his place in that in that regard. And that's like a shout out to the Old Testament when they had like the Day of Atonement, they would take two sheep or two lambs, and then cast the sins of the people upon one and then like let it go out to the wilderness and then sacrifice the other one. And then Jesus was the one that got sacrificed for us, and Brabbers was the one that got led away. But they're like two identical lambs, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 1:23:44

And then also it's different the the transformational part is because the one that the sin got casted on was like go into the wilderness and they sacrificed the holy one. But instead, Jesus took the sins of the world and then was crucified, and those sins like died on the cross with him more or less, rather than being allowed to go out and then continue to haunt us more or less. And that was like a transformational point, like also sub subtextually referencing what Jesus was doing right there. Yeah, it's thank you, Jesus.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:14

Yeah. The perfect one. You know, that's a crazy shout out. But yeah, so yes, I guess it's just that the name, the name itself. Cool. But there were other Jesus walking around too. That's powerful, dude. There's a guy, but not a guy. But yes, a guy. Same way we're like the same way we're not like kind of like yes, we are. It's like you are a human, but you're not, but you are. It's like you're the Holy Spirit, like in flesh as well. But you're not the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit animates us, but we have no access to it and control it with it and interaction in a way that's not been allowed or not been uh perceivable or not been accessible since Jesus gave us the Holy Spirit. This Holy Spirit would come upon people, but now we have it like readily available all the time.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:00

You can call on it anytime. So that's dope. And thank God. If you align yourself with truth or the right spirit, or you're trying your hardest to act in a holy way or in the name of God, and you call on the Holy Spirit with genuine energy, it will be there for you. Like it will you can call on it to help you, you can call on it to to tell you what to do. And it'll be and it'll tell you the right thing to do. It really will, you know. And that's crazy. It's like you're not making it up if you're genuinely entering that place, you know? Yeah, legitimately asking you the question. Yeah. For everybody can have that. Yeah, being health and the metaphysics are more real than the reality. What the shirt represents is more real than what's on the shirt. The same thing with like being embodied by the Holy Spirit being more real than like Matthew the person, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 1:25:48

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeshua, Daryl Strawberry, life, men's conference, spirituality, Christ.

unknown 1:25:57

Christ.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:58

Anybody from CBC is watching. Thank you for men's conference. Thank you for doing what you're doing.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:03

Amazing. Got the merch, it's amazing. Hopefully, you walk in power and in wisdom. That's all you can really ask for. Strength and guidance. Although I'm wishing for my friends talk annoying with the oil.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:19

Yo! Alright, I'm good.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:22

I love you guys. Love you. We'll see you in a bit here. See you next time. Peace.