Why Does Following God Feel Weird Now? | Why Modern Faith Feels Uncomfortable | The MJ38 Show #133

What if the thing that makes you feel weird is actually the thing pulling you closer to who you’re supposed to become?

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In this episode of The MJ38 Show  we talk about:
- Vacation
- Discipline
- Yoga & working out on vacation
- Reading the Bible in public
- Social awkwardness
- Faith 
- Identity
- Personality
- Transformation
- Testimony
- Debate
and what it means to follow God in a culture where serious faith can feel strange.

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The conversation starts with trying to have the best day possible through movement, discipline, and spiritual alignment — then turns into a deeper question:

How loud should your faith be?

We get into public Christianity, being “weird” in modern culture, representing Christ without performing, the line between authenticity and ego, the discipline of spiritual fitness, the power of testimony, and why some truths can’t be fully understood until you live them.

This episode also touches on Jordan Peterson-style ideas around personality integration, the metaphysics of suffering, debate, truth, the resurrection of Jesus, and why faith is not just something you believe — it becomes something you practice.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_06 0:11

133, back from Vacay, turning a new leaf. Let's turn some leaves, dog. Yes. Razor Blade. Yeah, dog. We talked about that. We'll jump into that in a second. But I'll hop in with a quick prayer. And then we'll take it from here. Dear Heavenly Father, we come to you in this moment and we offer our line of consciousness and our ability to interpret experience. We offer that to you and allow that to take over. We sacrifice our own will and our own efforts in this conversation and just will you to take it over entirely and completely beyond our comprehension and allow everyone to hear what they need to hear and walk forward in the way that they deem true and wise. Align us with that true and wise. We ask you in Jesus Christ's name and we thank you for everything you've done. We trust you fully.

unknown 0:59

Amen.

SPEAKER_09 1:00

Amen.

SPEAKER_06 1:02

Time in new leaves, vacay, chapters in the story. We're gonna see what happens in the next three to six months. One week at a time, that's all we got. Try to follow God as closely as we can. Closely as we can. We were talking about doing yoga on your vacay. Yes. Working out on vacation. Yes. I'm down. I'm gay.

SPEAKER_08 1:25

It's a must.

SPEAKER_06 1:26

You get something, I think. Yeah. It's a little extra.

SPEAKER_08 1:30

If I want to have the best day I can possibly have, it the hitting a workout in the morning is like a must. I'm trying to think of a way to quantify it, but I'm just I know how I feel if I don't work out, and then how I feel if I do work out. So if you want to have a great day, just hit that workout. So give yourself like a natural antidepressant is one way I describe it. All right.

SPEAKER_06 1:50

But we're talking about also before the pot motion and creating emotion. There's something attached to that doing the workout or doing the thing and like moving your body.

SPEAKER_08 1:59

Yeah, I don't have good language for this to sell it, but like I know for facts that the biochemistry that occurs in your brain during and post-workout, and the delta and change of the amount of like serotonin and oxytocin and dopamine that you're producing, you know what I mean? It's like positive emotions, you know. Yeah, yeah, it's all the thing, all the things that make, yeah. And that give you any positive emotion, all of those things go up, and then all the things that would give you like negative emotion, like um uh cortisol and uh I think mostly cortisol production, honestly, is what breeds a lot of anxiety in your brain. That's like a result of that, like a fear of bad future is a better term for anxiety. So, all that to say, if you want to have a phenomenal day, you hit the workout, you'll feel literally feel different afterwards. Yeah, we did the yoga the day of my wedding, and I was like, Yeah. Dude, we had to do something. That was also like, I'm like, yo, we gotta work out, you gotta get a sweat. Get something going. Yeah, for sure. Something slight.

SPEAKER_01 2:56

Dude, yeah, it sounds like a gym bra, but yeah, not for real dog. It feels great. I'm telling you.

SPEAKER_08 3:01

Dude, yeah, I was selling it. At some point, I'll stop working out, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_06 3:05

Yeah, we ran a we ran a little bit on our at Thanksgiving. Like as a fam. He was like out there running a couple miles Thanksgiving morning. Yes, came back, watched some football. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, it's a good time.

SPEAKER_08 3:18

Packers got it in. It's a good time. Joe Rogan describes it like sometimes your body's like a dog. You just gotta go walk the dog. Yes, like so that the dog can be like settled into itself, you know? And then your body craves that, whatever. I don't know, can't tell you why, but yoga on a big day. Dude, I'm moving yourself, bro. Yes, had dreams about being a yoga instructor. Really? Well, it's just like fascinating. Okay, it's not necessarily that I want to be a dream or like ideations, uh like thoughts, aspirations, dude. Shout out, Drake. Inspiring a lot of great word choice here. Uh ideations was was the one that hit. Okay. But it was while I'm doing the yoga, right? And then it was just like I would study this to the point of being like I this and I'm thinking about the instructor guy on the video too. I'm like, the level of yogi that he's at, where he's just like able to like walk through flows. This is the thing. If you can be like, okay, we're gonna like mentally here, we're gonna open our hips, we're gonna open our quads, and then we're gonna do a quad and hip heavy flow. That's what he's seeing when he makes these videos. And I'm just like getting getting shown yoga position, and I'm like, it's difficult. But then, like, as I open everything up and you get through the workout, and then you also feel the targeting of the muscles later, all that just uh there's clearly an art there. I would love to study it enough to understand that art on some level, but you know, life is life. Taking yoga classes for sure. Okay, the easiest way to do it is just on your YouTube, just do uh 20-minute beginner yoga for men. That's 90% of the time, that's what I look up, and then start with that, and then there's a couple guys that are really good. But the why you should do it is because like mentally, it gets so crazy in your mental while you're doing it, and then also you can see progress in things, and that kind of blows your mind, and you're like, How am I where's that coming from? And it's like it's coming for you're doing a lot of core stuff, like opening your spine up gives you more mobility, which gives you a little bit more strength. Um, I don't know. There's something about the mind-blowing factor of your own body doing cool stuff that's super worth it. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. You feel like I feel like an action figure. There's there's one, okay. Imagine.

SPEAKER_00 5:36

Like yoga's for real, dog.

SPEAKER_08 5:38

Right leg out, and then pick your left leg up and then carry it straight over. So you're like in an L position sideways, and then you're holding that, and then it's like, okay, now I want you to like take your left leg over there and then like meet your both legs at the top, and then switch legs in like a fluid motion, and then roll over while you do it too. Like the eventually, after like 30 seconds of doing this with this guy, I'm like going for it, and I'm like doing the full rotation, and I was like, yo, this is crazy, bro. Like, I don't know, super into this right now. Okay, it's cool, it's fine. Let's go. Highly recommend yoga for real. That's yoga talk.

SPEAKER_06 6:15

Moving your body talk, it's deeper than that. Feels good on vacation, working out. Yes, yes, yoga in the sun, bible at the pool. That's where we ran into this too. Okay, what's uh what's going on there?

SPEAKER_08 6:28

I'm already feeling like I'm a little extra. I'm doing like shirtless.

SPEAKER_00 6:32

Is it extra to be bringing the faith into the public though?

SPEAKER_08 6:35

I don't know. I don't think I didn't really like uh how loud do you have to be? That's a thing.

SPEAKER_06 6:42

That's a thing. How much expression are you trying to achieve?

SPEAKER_08 6:45

I felt like it was super chill. Here's another thing is like my Bible, it's like little pages, right? And then they're like blowing in the wind real crazy because they're like Bible pages, right? And then I don't know, like I feel like the Holy Spirit like stepped into my body, and then in one motion, I just like put both of my hands. Um, imagine I'm making like L's with both of my fingers for the podcast listeners, and I just like put them in the center of the Bible, and then I just like went like that and like expanded, like I'm saying, um, like that's the scene. It like if you can imagine me just on the podcast audio, and then all the pages were like perfectly in my fingertips and all my fingertips like this. And I just like held the Bible with my finger, like my thumbs and my index fingers on each corner of the Bible, and it didn't move at all anymore. But I did it like outside of myself a little bit, and then it just worked so perfectly. I was like, I was like, yo, new skill acquired. Like, I don't know where that came from, and that made me feel like the Holy Spirit was kind of telling me, like, people read the Bible outside, like I promise. Like, this is not the first person I've shown how to hold their Bible in the wind. Like, yes, it's it's okay for you. You should be reading your Bible out here. I'm happy you're reading your Bible out here. This is a good thing. It's like reaffirmed in my own spirit that when when that thing kind of took over me and was like, Yeah, you're not the first person I've shown how to read the Bible in the wind.

SPEAKER_06 8:08

I was like, You felt that synapse fire within yourself to like use this action to help keep your pages down in the wind.

SPEAKER_08 8:15

Yeah, because like and you felt like it was ancestral, yeah, or like a a a guiding hand inside, like the Holy Spirit was like, do this. Like it just like worked through me. I don't know, I don't know where that came from. It's just like and then all the corners were like held down perfectly, and there was like not a problem anymore. And I could just like read like perfectly, you know what I mean? It was super lit. So then I felt like once I was out there like reading my Bible, like I didn't look like a noob. The Holy Spirit was like, I'm not gonna, I don't know, like on some level, anyone who's looking over at this guy isn't gonna seem like my page is going everywhere, and I'm like trying to hold it down, and my Bible's getting ruined. It's like no, you just and I was like, Oh my goodness, okay, cool. It's like wind's going crazy, and then none of my Bible pages are even like shaking at all. It felt like the like the lowest amount of like I saw God in that moment, you know what I mean? I feel you. That was really cool. Yeah. Um, yeah, I feel like God is with me for sure. On the first day, too, there was like these clouds, right? And it was cloudy, cloudy, cloudy. And then there's this one little patch where like the sun was right behind that little patch, and that patch was just a little bit thinner with its clouds, and like a hole that was like just enough for the sun to be like right behind that hole, and then I could like see the sun a little bit more because it had like a sunglass effect from this little patch of gray sky. So the sun's like shining through, and it's almost like a spotlight through what is like a gray day, and it was super nice because you're getting you're getting more UV rays in the cloudy, anyways. But then the sun ended up coming out later. But it was just weird because I felt like uh also in that moment God was like like more or less like I'm with you here. Like, this is a good thing. I'm happy that you're on vacation. I'm happy that you're like uh went to a sacred place where you're allowed to process your thoughts and have transformation. Like, that's also not the first time people have done this, Matthew. Like you're pretty cliche, actually, bro.

SPEAKER_06 10:05

This is this is this this is a part of the story. This is the thing in the story. Yeah. Story's happening.

SPEAKER_08 10:12

Yeah, so those are some of my thoughts, man. Just God's presence was really cool. The vacay, trying to enjoy a vacation, but then you bring the Bible out in the public space. There it is. Porque no, you know, it just felt weird, all of it felt weird.

SPEAKER_00 10:26

But it had to be Is it weird though?

SPEAKER_08 10:28

Okay, yes, these are the questions. Well, it's uh what abnormal? Is what part of it? A little atypical, yeah, somewhat alarming. That's all I see.

SPEAKER_01 10:41

I'm like, yeah, let's go. You know, like ghost burst go. Let's go, dog. That's my team. That's what's up, dude.

SPEAKER_08 10:47

Yeah, I'm saying, bro. But then, yeah, no, people don't feel like that. Just like people had to identify me, I think. There's a couple times with the hotel staff where they're like, What's this guy's deal? Like, I was like, I'm just here for the vibes, man. What's this guy's deal? What are you doing here? Yeah, I told the guy doing here. I was like, I'm just on vacation. You guys had a great rate. But the one dude I was like, uh telling him what blah blah blah, but I'm about to go listen to this new Drake album by the pool. I'm pretty excited that it dropped this weekend. And then he like cracked up and he was like, Nice, bro. Like, yeah, I was listening, I was listening to it this morning. That's fire, that's cool. You get to do that. And then he was like, This guy's a bro, he's chill, you know what I mean? But they had to like figure me out, you know, and be like, like White Lotus, though. Yeah, right. You never know, bro. Never know it's going on people's stories, yeah, the stories. But yeah, um, so going on a doing a crazy workout in the gym and then doing churless yoga outside in the field and then taking the Bible to the pool. Several times in a row, I was like, this is a little weird. This is I can understand from the perspective of this hotel staff trying to figure out what I'm on right now. Like, what is this? What yeah, it just seems like a lot. I was like, is it a lot? I was like, I don't think so. But it was weird because also like the environment I was in was like maybe it would be different if it was a place where a lot of people just go on vacation. Like, I think there was like a big wedding going on, and then there was a big corporate event going on for this festival in Burnett. So people were like not exactly the same kind of crowd as us, but maybe if more people are leisurely on vacation at like the beach, I would imagine there's probably people that just like go read the Bible on the beach. How many people are reading the Bible?

SPEAKER_06 12:42

I don't know. Yeah. I guess we're I was thinking about it. I think we're kind of called to the to be as far as being like, where's the line is like what's public enough with my faith, but like too much to like offend somebody? Like what we're into now. But then also we all need to be uh we need to have the power to evangelize, but we don't have to be trying to evangelize everybody. People who aren't ready for it, when the season's ripe, you'll be able to reap, but sometimes you know, all you can do is plant the seed or water the seed or whatever.

SPEAKER_08 13:17

Being influence, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 13:18

We're always influencing.

SPEAKER_08 13:20

Yeah, that's the thing, is you are actively influencing, are you like honoring that properly, I guess, or like with C B C it's like uh the the kind I don't know how they say it, but they something along the lines are like if you're claiming to be like you know, um on the team with CBC and like you're gonna wear the merch and stuff like that, you're like uphold yourself to a standard of conduct that wouldn't be like respectful of the nature of what we're doing here as a ministry, more or less. And I was like it sat first of all, it sat with me. Secondly, I decided it was good, and it's nice that they're calling people to hold a standard of behavior. Like you're gonna represent us, like it's important that you like don't be acting a fool on the ground. And I was like, that's fair. Then that should be what you're doing with Jesus too, I guess, is also the translatable for me, you know?

SPEAKER_06 14:18

Yeah, I don't know. I feel like it has like a maybe potential is like social potentiality for chaos and the idea of what we're into now as far as being offended.

SPEAKER_08 14:35

Yeah It's a bigger question of like where's that line between um like the culture and the Christian, you know? The secular or like Yeah the secular or the what's the opposite like the Chr the Christ Christ world? I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 14:57

Or like yeah, more uh I guess it's yeah, some um Christian influence or inspired content, I guess, or like uh yeah, secular versus non-secular music. Yeah, we're finding it Jesus worship praise, or is it like uh Connor and Nick D that are like kind of like clean rap?

SPEAKER_08 15:17

Is that also dude? They're like blurring the lines. They're really nuanced about it. One time Nick D's like talking shit and he's like, Yeah, I don't use Christ to like run my numbers up. Like more or less that's what he was saying in response to somebody is like, God, like I follow God, but I don't I don't use that as a platform to make myself bigger than I am in my own lane. It's like I feel like that would be using God's name in vain. And I was just like, that's kind of tough. Okay, but I don't so at least he's like aware of it, he's thinking about it. He might have the wrong conclusion drawn. Force conclusion might be better, in my opinion, where it's like just like giving everything to Jesus, run to Jesus, dude. Like drop everything you have and run to Jesus, you know. You don't exist, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Drake's music is great, but it's like it's about Drake. It's like it's not about Jesus. So if you were with childlike faith, just to like see Jesus and run towards him, you wouldn't be like, but Jersey! Like no, you'd make all your music for Christ.

SPEAKER_06 16:21

Mm-hmm. Fects. Fects. The lines are blurred a little bit, but these are the questions. Mm-hmm. And then another question under that is like, how loud should you just be with your personality in general? You know what I'm saying? Even if your personality is like I've died with Christ, it's like how loud about that should you be? And then, like, just like everyone who's themselves, I don't know, expressing themselves, choosing to say things and like what you do and what you wear, and what you're about.

SPEAKER_10 16:56

I don't know. What's your code of conduct? What's your standard of behavior?

SPEAKER_04 17:03

What you bow? What you bow, dog? What's real to you? What makes sense to you?

SPEAKER_06 17:11

Some people give your life to guys make sense to me.

SPEAKER_08 17:14

They don't want you. Are we radicals? Like, I don't, you know. I don't know. But no, dude. On a political spectrum, if I'm worried about offending somebody like that because I'm like reading the Bible, I'm not I'm not hyper worried about that. That's a Texan in me. I was like, oh, we're my politics. But no, I guess it was just I was I guess like hyper conscious and asking myself the question like um there might be better social ramifications for just like blending in more instead of being like wearing like uh I wasn't wearing anything crazy, bro. I was wearing like a matching button up and swim trunks, it's just fi, just heat, you know, just push B. But nothing crazy though, you know what I mean? And I still just felt like uh like I was clearly a sore thumb on some level, or like this a couple times these bros were like, Hey, what's up, bro? It's good to see you man. You having a good stay? Everything good? Can anything for you? Hospitality was like phenomenal. But I was like, Am I just weird though? Like this, I'm just a weird person, like legitimately, to want to work out really hard on vacation and then want to do like shirtless yoga in this field, and then want to go read the Bible by the pool. Like, I might just be like a weird person when I think about like what is what are people? You know what I mean? Statistically weird for sure. Outlier. And I was like, is that a good or a bad thing? Did I do this to myself? Is this what I want to be doing? Am I wearing this like it's a personality? Like, where do I exist? You know? I do a temperature check.

SPEAKER_05 18:50

Those are questions, yeah, those are questions, dog.

SPEAKER_08 18:53

Yeah, that's what, yeah, that's what okay. Sorry, it's hard to like boil all the way down unless we go all the way down. You gotta symbol.

SPEAKER_01 19:01

It's a slow cook.

SPEAKER_08 19:02

I was getting simmed to the to the point where I was asking those questions, you know, like this stuff was weighing on me for like hours in different forms and fashions. Yeah, and there's the drizzy cadence that was backing it all up. I could feel it coming in when I'm thinking about it. Little wobble to his head. So pause, pause, so we're at the pool asking myself, you know, I don't I don't think I'm doing anything outside of like maybe we're doing it, maybe I'm doing it too loud. Maybe I should should I just read the Bible in the room so I'm not like doing me too loud.

SPEAKER_06 19:34

But even then, it's like uh what you're wearing, what you're listening to, what you're talking about, what your tattoos you got in your body. I'm just like, if I'm at the pool, I'm repping, dog.

SPEAKER_08 19:45

Yeah, right. You never you can't really put those up. And I don't I don't want to anyways, like you know what I'm saying? It's like I'm on a vacation to be free. Like, I'm just gonna do what I want to do. That's the whole point of coming here, you know?

SPEAKER_06 19:57

Yeah, I want to work out.

SPEAKER_08 19:58

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:00

It feels great, can't recommend it enough. We've been pushing that for a minute on this episode. It's worth it, dog.

SPEAKER_08 20:06

Yeah, I talk about biochemistry more than anything.

SPEAKER_06 20:09

Yeah, did that yoga or doing that yoga on the wedding day was definitely like recommend like a good a good way to some people go play golf or something, whatever they gotta do. Doing something, remembering that day. Or at least I was like, yeah, we did yoga that that morning or whatever. Afternoon.

SPEAKER_08 20:25

It's on ice, dude. Yeah, like if we had more time, maybe a run like would have been great too. But I think Yeah, I think your wedding would be objectively better if you did yoga before you got married. Scientifically, I think you're just like would have higher highs. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 20:42

Some light workout, something slight.

SPEAKER_09 20:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 20:44

And workout is meaning movement of body, exercise in some form or fashion.

SPEAKER_08 20:51

But you feel good. For a man, this is also unreleased. We're in here.

unknown 20:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 20:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:57

The conditions in which change your experience. That's what we're saying here.

SPEAKER_05 21:00

It's transcendence stuff.

SPEAKER_08 21:03

Dude, trying to comprehend transcendence has been like a whole thing lately. Just as Mike, hopefully, for the last time. It's literally beyond us. It's so hard to talk about. It's so much. Because it's beyond you. Beyond us. Yeah. Come on. We're just trying. We're just trying our best. So, yeah, I could read the Bible in the room, right? But uh no. No, but no, but no, but not for any real legitimate reason why I should do that. So then, and you can even get about it. Everybody was doing it, bro. Everybody was doing it, bro.

SPEAKER_00 21:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 21:35

I just bought the.

SPEAKER_06 21:36

In this thing that we do all the time is how I do this thing that we do all the time.

SPEAKER_08 21:39

That's what I'm trying to read this for like 20 minutes, y'all. Even just looking at me like that, like I'm just trying to read this thing for like 20 minutes a day.

SPEAKER_07 21:45

Like, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_08 21:47

I think it's a do I feel weird? Yes. But then if we talk about it at all, I don't really feel weird anymore. I think it's just I don't how does anybody know how to act at all? I guess is part of it.

SPEAKER_01 21:56

What books are they bringing? What books are you bringing to the pool?

SPEAKER_08 22:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 22:00

What book are you bringing to the pool?

SPEAKER_06 22:03

Mm-hmm. Family Few, top five answers. What do you think?

SPEAKER_04 22:09

Uh I think Bible would be up there.

SPEAKER_08 22:12

It would be up there, dog. I don't know. I don't know if I've ever seen anybody reading the Bible by the pool. I don't know. I held off too. I didn't have a drink until I finished my Bible reading time. So it was like it's a clean run. CBC, you know what I'm saying? I'm trying to be out there drinking, reading my Bible wearing a rubble shirt.

SPEAKER_06 22:26

What other kind of books are people reading? Like romance novels? Ladies?

SPEAKER_08 22:30

I think so.

SPEAKER_06 22:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_08 22:31

I think so for sure. I I read Green Lights at the Pool. Whatever, whatever's popular in the culture at the time. That's what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like I like looking at what books are out in the airport because that's like literally gonna be there, they're saying like, this is a banger, we're gonna charge you like 50 bucks for it, but you can get the newest, hottest book. Here you go for your flight. Like that's kind of how they advertise in the airports. And at Barnes and Noble, they have a section for like current bestsellers. So Green Lights was a current bestseller when I went read that book. It was heat. Um Maps of Meaning, trying to look trying to listen to that.

unknown 23:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 23:04

Jordan Peterson book would be great. JVP's the boy and the man. I don't know how you're not doing some kind of self-help book. Maybe a little more flavor on it than that, but some kind of the other book I took was a Jocko book. It's like Extreme Ownership.

SPEAKER_06 23:19

Just trying to I saw I saw his protein at the gas station last night, and I was like, I'm gonna get a choco protein. I can't trust none of these other brand stuff, but I see your name on it. I gotta trust I trust Choco, you know? Trust for sure. You know, there's probably nothing bad in there, nothing too bad.

SPEAKER_08 23:35

Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure. For sure, you know? Yeah, there's some I'm sure he has to cross some lines to get cheaper supplies. Grass fed protein, whatever. Yeah, it's good shape. It's choco. It's good shape, bro. Facts. Yeah, come on. It's choco. So that's how his book's amazing. I mean, it's like Extreme Ownership, How Navy Seals Lead and Win. And I was just like trying to go back there because I didn't read it all the first time. Something like that, bro. You know what I mean? That's what I'm taking to a pool. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_06 24:06

But no, the Bible is. There's not that many books you put on that list. The family feudancers, what kind of books people bring into the pool when you read? What do you see people reading? Like crossword, maybe or something.

SPEAKER_08 24:18

It's a Kindle, a lot of Kindles. So you don't really know. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_07 24:23

You don't really know.

SPEAKER_08 24:24

But even the little book. I can't name some of the other. Alchemist would be an okay read. Spiritual laws will be an okay read of the pool.

SPEAKER_06 24:31

Um like a spiritual book.

SPEAKER_08 24:34

That's where I'm at. Am I weird? You know what I mean? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 24:38

That's where I'm at. This is the question I kept running into. Yeah, okay, yeah. Yeah, I'm there with you. We swimming all the way down.

SPEAKER_08 24:49

Yeah. Um so maybe a little bit for sure. Then how much do I care? Atypical, atypical in today's culture.

SPEAKER_06 24:57

I think it's coming back though. That's why CBC calls you to be a little different, dog. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_08 25:04

Yeah, bro. For sure. Um I just think I saw this Michael Jordan clip where he's like, don't wear who you are into a conversation. It's like be in the conversation, like be formidable in the conversation, and then let them find out who you are. And I was like, that's it's a short clip, but I was like, yo, shit's hard, safe for sure. But that also weighed in my brain. It's not the same thing in the same context because he's talking about like uh in basketball, more or less. Like, I'm not trying to be Michael Jordan before I end up in the moment. I'm trying to show them who Michael Jordan is in the moment. And I was like, I think I can see, like, you don't have to wear yourself into anything, you can just be in the moment. That was kind of like the thing where I was like, Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just because we're weird doesn't mean I have to wear weird out loud for people to be like, it's like drawing attention to it for no reason. It's like disrupting culture. Almost being a troll. Almost.

SPEAKER_06 26:00

There's something there connected to the troll energy or the the desire to control, yeah, and and to control the situation in a troll-like fashion. There's something there. Desire to do that, I think.

SPEAKER_08 26:15

I don't know. For the lows? Nihilism? Yeah, see that's what I'm saying. I'm not powered by nihilism. So I think that that was like an anxiety-ridden version of the thing that I'm evaluating, which is like we are weird for sure in society. If people talk to me, I don't have to be like straight into metaphysical stuff, you know what I mean? Yeah, just be in the moment. Yeah, do what you're doing. It's cool. Yeah, you can just express yourself like you can just be funny, bro. You can just be fun. Just make like have fun.

SPEAKER_06 26:46

Try to contribute to the moment that makes it a little bit better.

SPEAKER_08 26:49

And if someone asks you what you think, you can tell them what you think without saying why you think. And then if they ask you why you think, you can use a funny story to explain it. You don't have to be like they don't have to go into the jujitsu. I'm like, all the way. Like I thought about it, I probably thought about it. You know what I'm saying? But you don't have to be wearing that out on the skin like all the time, you know. I do want to be authentic for sure, but this would be like a more nuanced personality. Which is the kind of stuff I was trying to I was trying to assemble down there on vacation.

SPEAKER_06 27:19

It's deep, it's deep. Nuance, transcendence.

SPEAKER_08 27:24

And the personality you're wearing comes from what? You developed it because of a situation at some point in your life. You developed this personality. It's like, is it serving you still? Is it still true? What's changed since you were the person that made that? Did you lose things? Did that is it like were there good things back there you don't have anymore? Should you take some of that back with you? It's like uh all of that was true. It's not like you can just make a new personality, but it also reminded me when we were like, Grace, like, I'm watching scary movies now. And I'm like, part of it was just like personality change, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_06 27:58

That's someone who we used to not do this thing, now I do this thing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 28:04

Yeah. People who do things. That's us. That's us.

SPEAKER_03 28:18

Oh god.

SPEAKER_08 28:21

Oh, I was having a stepped on your line, dude. That was fucking that's us. Classic, bro. That's a that's a classic.

SPEAKER_03 28:27

People who do things, bro.

SPEAKER_08 28:28

I want that guy on the meme board. That's us. That's classic. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:36

No, I'm all of us, bro.

SPEAKER_08 28:39

Yeah. There were some uh yeah, anyways. I don't know. What are your thoughts on being weird?

SPEAKER_01 28:49

I'm here for it. I'm here for it.

SPEAKER_06 28:51

But yeah, now you're I think you're hitting something whenever just talking about being you don't have to wear you into every conversation or over just be in the conversation. You don't have to be overly expressive of I guess to what level? Because you need to like stand up for what you believe is true nobly. You know what I'm saying? Don't be a prick about it.

SPEAKER_02 29:14

You know?

SPEAKER_06 29:18

You'll be like Jon Snow. Don't be a prick about it. Don't be a prick about it.

SPEAKER_08 29:24

Yeah, no, I'm with you. Yeah, I feel you.

SPEAKER_06 29:28

There's a uh people see Joffrey do things, and people see Jon Snow do things, and they know one is better than the other, one is more admirable than the other.

SPEAKER_08 29:36

Tell it to the Yoggies. Yeah, yes.

SPEAKER_00 29:40

I'm telling you, bro. You wanna be Joffrey? Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 29:43

Is that what you want? Is that who you want to be? You wanna be Ramsey or whatever his name is? Ramsey Bolton? Terrible.

SPEAKER_08 29:51

No, I agree with you. There is a collective, subconscious that would agree that we're not trying to be like that. Yeah, but advisable.

SPEAKER_06 30:03

Despicable. Unadvisable. Go on.

SPEAKER_07 30:13

I'm with you.

SPEAKER_08 30:15

Um Yeah, I I think personality integration is one of the more difficult things about being a person. And doing it gracefully is nearly impossible. Having grace for that is super important because you have like brothers and sisters, and like you're in a relationship with someone isn't who isn't like the final version of who they want to be, you know?

SPEAKER_06 30:41

Continually transforming dog. Yeah, you gotta be around Sisyphus dog. What is that? Pushing the stones, pushing the stones up the mountain.

SPEAKER_07 30:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 30:53

Forever, that's us. And they've talked they had to do the or on they did like an amazing race rendition of that, or what I was like associated with one of the challenges on the show The Amazing Race, where people go around the world, relatively around the world, from country to country, continent to continent, in a certain amount of time. If you're last, you're eliminated. One of the things was the Sisyphus story where they're pushing, and then they're like, it's the I guess they're implying that it was the a curse given to this person's Sisyphus to make them just be under the feeling and duress and stress and anxiety of never getting anything done. And then I was like, I think that's that's true, and I think there's also like an extra layer to that of and it's also like maybe also the feeling of or at least the feeling of always having something to do. There's never, we're never not. That's like that is what we're what we've got going on here.

SPEAKER_07 31:48

Yes.

SPEAKER_06 31:49

You know what I'm saying? You will you will push the stones with the mountaintops, but that's all there is to all there is to do here.

SPEAKER_09 31:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 31:57

And you can get to the top of one, or you know, to the mountaintop, and then like, but you're skin's continually doing that forever. It's like, oh, okay. You will finish things, but you there will always be things to be finished. Always. So it's like, oh, that's those things are always there.

SPEAKER_08 32:21

Okay, well that's us. Couple branches to go here. Let's go. One, you're weird as fuck for no one know who that guy is. Just listening to like Shane Gillis talk. It would be funny to podcast with him. Thank you for teaching me. I'm so fascinated by it. Also, weird as fuck over here. Thank you. Okay, thank you. I forgot what that story, because it's like you know the story of pushing it to the top, but you don't like the story of it's just like what's the metaphysics? What happened there? What's the takeaway? Takeaway is partially that it's like that's all that there is, it's all that anybody is, constantly is. It will crush you also in case you don't want to like play the game of push the mountain up the top, so it's like unavoidable. Good to remember that. Cast life. I think perhaps uh yeah, being in this conversation. The rolling of the stone. Just roll the stone. It's like well, then should you evangelize in public? It's like uh help you move the stone. Yeah, I can't agree with you more. It's actually really hard to discern when the Holy Spirit's telling you to say something. Really, that's a hard thing to how do you not feel like a narcissist when you're saying God's talking to me? It's like the natural inclination for me to be like, I'm probably like being compulsive, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_06 33:40

Maybe or at least if you're trying to aim it towards praying for people or trying to make the s situation more positive, less suffering, legitimately.

SPEAKER_10 33:56

Yeah, you know?

SPEAKER_08 33:58

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't disagree with you. How many times a day should should you say, Let me pray for you? Nah, yeah, okay. Because you could say it like to everybody. And sometimes I feel like if you have good discernment, you're like, for whatever reason, you're like, dude, can I just pray with you, man? So I want to pray with you, man. I don't know, man. I don't know where this line is. I think we're we're finding it, we're establishing it. We're doing our role as Adam to like label it, say like, here's the line, this is where we're at. I felt a little weird at the full rate in the Bible, but discernibly it was the right thing to do. Yoga again felt weird. I was at the bar later, I was like, hey man, sorry you ran up on me while I was uh doing vacation yoga. It's a little vulnerable there. Then try to explain. There's also something about uh it feels like you're so ringing out your spine is like a common term they use for when you're like twisting. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, okay, I'll here for that. So like once you're at like the full stretch, the only thing you could do, sometimes the next thing you can do is like engage your abs, or it'll be like um now lean forward and you'll get like the oh my gosh, okay. That's the full extent of the movement. Like you thought you were there. So in the twist, they'll be like, okay, you're here now, just like keep your chin up to the sky, big back, and then wring out your spine, and you'll like you can like feel that, you know what I mean? It's like like a sponge, mutilated, yeah, like simple energy, dude.

SPEAKER_04 35:35

You gotta mutilate it.

SPEAKER_08 35:36

And I felt things like leaving me. I felt like I was like squeezing out like sludge. Felt really good. You're bringing a towel, really good, and then I wanted trying to tell this guy while we're ordering frozen margaritas. I was bringing out the sludge, brother. Sorry, I'm weird sludge.

SPEAKER_04 35:58

Yeah, we're hard as people doing things, man.

SPEAKER_10 36:06

Oh man.

SPEAKER_04 36:07

You know his hand.

SPEAKER_08 36:08

Yeah, yeah. Yes, dude. It's yeah, Bakanay is weird too, but people love him.

SPEAKER_01 36:15

That's one of the hardest scenes. That's one of the hardest, like, not I guess it's like counting with cameo. Yeah, he's not in that movie for very long.

SPEAKER_06 36:22

No, that's one of the hardest cameos in movie history.

SPEAKER_08 36:24

Yeah, it's a good scene for sure. Yeah, he's he's phenomenal. He's he's great. Interstellar, bro. Come on. So uh at any rate, boy. I don't really know how we integrate that. We'll figure it out as we go. Yeah, try to be as graceful as possible. Level up with gracefulness, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 36:40

Do grace and truth. Wield truth in grace.

unknown 36:47

Shh.

SPEAKER_06 36:48

And being open to being like shown new truth, and like they you may not be always right about everything all the time.

SPEAKER_09 36:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 36:55

Yeah, be open to that. There might be something there is something out outside of our comprehension.

SPEAKER_10 37:04

So you need to accept that too.

SPEAKER_06 37:07

But you do what you believe is truth and be willing to listen to truth. That's why we have debates. That's what the debate like centered around. Like this is these are the tr this is the question or the situation in question or the idea in question, and we're gonna try to figure out what the truth is.

SPEAKER_10 37:26

What's what's going on here?

SPEAKER_06 37:30

Or I guess to win but you need to win the debate, is it I guess kind of the competitive factor within that. But even then, you need you can't get lost in the trying to win the debate. You gotta bring your mo you gotta bring your strongest case, but you gotta, you know, say like, yes, you're gonna have to show me, you know, meet me at the rim, bro. You're gonna have to show me somehow we're gonna have to be people that do things to see what happens.

SPEAKER_08 38:00

Dude, you made me realize sometimes personally I'm fighting a metaphysical dragon, demon, like this thing. Like, I'm like, no, this is the root. Like, I see the root, like, so then the words come, and then I'm like, the root. Like, I'm just trying to like, but no, like it you have to not get caught up in the competition of the winning instead of being like this idea is flawed fundamentally because of this, and I think that it stems from this kind of thinking, which is not good. But you can't do that without going through the arguments and like actually being open to them being right in some sense. That's like the only way um I think that like you could you could actually win a debate, you know what I mean? Um, it because because if you get lost trying to not listen to the actual argument or give any credit to it, or being open to this other truth, then you miss the mark, and your learning model isn't as adapted as it could be. So you're how how fixated and localized on the actual truth are you if there's missing data that you're unwilling to take, you know what I mean? And then you can end up being wrong on a minor level, and you never make it to the major level because you weren't focused on like the actual fact. You were like, you know what I'm saying? Just trying to win the debate.

SPEAKER_02 39:18

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_08 39:19

So yeah, I'm with you. I feel I've lost debates. I feel like that's a fatal flaw for me. It's not to like be in the strongman straw man all the time. It's like, how is your argument right and how is my argument wrong? And let me churn through that instead of trying to like hide the partial flaws in my argument, presenting my strongest case with a lot of examples. It's like a way you could do yourself a disservice by trying to win. It's also like, why are we debating? I I don't sometimes I guess we have to figure out problems.

SPEAKER_06 39:57

People's interpretations clash, or people's interpretation of what the true truth is.

SPEAKER_07 40:02

Sure.

SPEAKER_06 40:02

Based on something different.

SPEAKER_07 40:04

Sure.

SPEAKER_06 40:06

What do you believe that is allowing you to act the way you do or do the things you do, or what do you think is going on here? And then we have these eyewitness accounts. I think there's been so many I maybe I'm just partial to it or seeing it more. But it's a lot of like uh those Jeremiah Johnson guys are talking about the Shroud of Tarn people or like uh the the people who are writing books like searching religious spirituality based foundational questions, and they're coming out like, okay, this is kind of crazy, bro. I think Jesus like did that, bro. You know what I'm saying? If that's true. Like we don't know what that means. We can't really comprehend it, but we can like give our lives to it, and that's what we should all do. He did that. It's like, oh that's a big a big thing that's like uh separating people, you know?

SPEAKER_08 41:12

Yeah. Yeah. That's like one of the fundamental keystones of Christianity is if Jesus walked out of the grave, Winston Churchill said that guy can say whatever he does. If he did that for real, like think about that.

SPEAKER_00 41:29

And you're so willing to say that he did it? It's like, how do you how are you so sure?

SPEAKER_08 41:34

That's where it gets crazy. It's like the Bible's the most reviewed book of all time. Every single college has a religious studies department in it. It's like a lot of colleges have like departments dedicated, and I promise you, one of the like the most important classes is like the biblical history classes. These people, these people read that stuff, like all the translations, all the the lineage of the history of the Gutenberg Bible, all the way up to like the current that we have. It's like not a lot of people have an argument where like it's just like this was this is a lie. This is all a lie.

SPEAKER_06 42:11

It's like I don't that that's just not something that's like me, me with met with with Wes Huff, dog. Yeah, me with him. Yeah, me and him at the wreck without it.

SPEAKER_08 42:21

Yeah, if I had him as my chat GPT, you'd be cooked. Yeah, no, whatever argument you can bring to like a scientific like breach of um there's a thing in like crime where it's like if the evidence gets lost from like the cop has to like find the evidence and then bag it and then like take it to the station. But if it gets lost somewhere, and there's like time where the log doesn't quite check out properly, then it's like uh you can use that to get out of trouble if you're a bad guy. And I think that's what sometimes people are looking for in the Bible. It's like there's no there's no point in time where this wasn't making sense up until now. It's like Tracy, like like there was Rome, you know what I mean? This is like Romans, and then they had like a lot of documented history, so it's like if you believe anything coming out of Rome, you know, you'd have to believe that Jesus existed because it's he's like documented in their history. It sounds like you were gonna throw Rome out.

SPEAKER_00 43:18

It's like how sure are you that anyone existed like past like a 200 years ago? How do you know about any of them? Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_08 43:25

Where are they? Like see, people aren't thinking about that stuff most of the time. That's like where it gets but then you'll get into a conversation with somebody where you're like, Well, hold on, if you're talking about someone doesn't exist, it's like, how much do you believe in any kind of documentation?

SPEAKER_06 43:40

Yeah, Alexander the Great, Genghis Khan. Yeah. Whatever.

SPEAKER_08 43:44

Where did we lose our accuracy?

SPEAKER_06 43:46

Socrates, Aristotle, these people. Yeah, where do you start to question the validity of where's it get fuzzy?

SPEAKER_08 43:53

Yeah, yeah, there it is. That's what I'm trying to say, like uh where's the where's the gap in the timeline that makes it not credible anymore? You know? Right. Chain of chain of fucking something. That's what it's called. Chain of creation. There's that's the legal term for it, is like chain of custody, I think is what it's called. It's not a clear chain of custody on the evidence, then it doesn't count in court. It's like the chain of custody for this like Jesus argument is from when it happened until now. Like you can like go all the way back. Ask what's up. You know, so that's what he studies. So since you believe in stuff, we will do stuff.

SPEAKER_01 44:29

You're doing stuff right now. Yeah. Listening to me.

SPEAKER_08 44:31

There's a 50% chance that you believe in stuff happens. Yeah. That happens. 100% chance. So then, but then the question is. So he existed, right? Because you believe in history. And then, like, because of Roman history, if you take any stock into that, he was crucified. And then now, just like the dis the only real disconnect that you could get to if you believe all the other set objective realities is that he walked out of the grave. That's like the that's the jump. That's why it's a cornerstone argument Christianity. It's like if you believe that happened, then Easter's the one. That's where it all like that was a great finale. The greatest story of all time. Because like the whole the whole who's on who's done that?

SPEAKER_06 45:15

Nobody, dude.

SPEAKER_08 45:16

One. That's what I'm saying. There's one. There's one. I'm with you. I'm with you.

SPEAKER_06 45:22

I guess there was people. He he raised people from the dead, and that happened once, I think, in the Old Testament as well. People coming back from the dead. I think Elisha or Elijah. I think it's Elisha, maybe. Brought someone back from the dead in the Old Testament. And then Jesus studied multiple times in the New Testament. And then himself. But uh I think aside from that, it's never happened, you know?

unknown 45:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 45:47

And there was some, there was the the the separation of the uh did they talk about the what you call it? The Sadducees and the what's the main name for Pharisees? Pharisees, yeah. Pharisees and Sadducees. I guess like there are two different groups that believed in different parts. It even happened then. They had a New Testament and an Old Testament variation, or like uh the Sadducees only believed in the Torah. They just believed in the first five books. Like Genesis, Deuteronomy, Numbers, Exodus, and Leviticus. They only believed in those five books. And then, but this resurrection that happened with this Elisha character happened after that. So they didn't believe in that. But that was in a different book later on, not in the first five of the Torah. It's like the Moses story, pretty much. Then Adam and Eve, and up until then, and then the carrying out of that. Joshua like takes over after that. Because Moses dies.

SPEAKER_08 46:40

And Joshua's that one that takes them into the promised land. Yeah, across the across the Red Sea, parts of the Red Sea. Moses, yeah. But there's another, I think there's another point in time where they have to walk through the Jordan River. Not sure what it is. Yeah, they have to walk through another body of water to get where they're going. Yes, I think that's where they stack the stones. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's Joshua. Yeah.

unknown 47:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 47:05

But even then, there was a, you know what I'm saying? So at that point, people didn't take those that canon after that, you know what I'm saying? As far as even the political groups, social groups back in the day. So there was even the separation of them, they're like, nah, like they didn't believe in resurrection at all.

SPEAKER_08 47:20

So then to have See, this is the systematic approach to what we believed, though. This is where the convolution. Yeah. The convolution lives. Like, if you're really gonna have a critique over it, it's like it's crazy that that's true, that there was already like a separation of belief for what real was, and also just like the canon of the library being like up for debate is another like point of convolution that Joe Rogan points out well. It's like this is a canon. That's just people though. That's just people though. Okay, what are you saying? That's just people though.

SPEAKER_06 47:53

That's like the one speck of the we are the one little one little in in perfect. Yeah, yeah. Well, people are messed up.

SPEAKER_08 48:04

People sucks. We're all doing things, it's gotta count for that. Yeah, yeah. Dude, the book is the book, bro. We're in perfect sinners, bro. It's also like the fortune, it's like magical. That's what I'm saying. It's like you read it and it's good for you. Like, that doesn't make sense, bro. I I understand what Justin was talking about the other week when you were like, God is good. It's like it's so hard to you have to take the medicine to like then feel better than to be like, Whoa, that was weird, you know. But I'm telling you, like, I heard this rapper talking about uh something maniacal things.

SPEAKER_01 48:38

No, no, no.

SPEAKER_08 48:38

Okay, it's not for his brain song. He's like, popped out that grain, like I popped out the hood. Some something about my life got so good when I put my head in that book, and it's just like you would think, like, oh, I'm gonna have to read this book and digest it and then apply it and then transform, it's gonna be like this whole thing. It's like literally just reading, it's like the yoga part. Like, reading the Bible is just like good for your head, like you will feel better. Like, I can't explain it. It's magic. And then to say, like, that it's not perfect, like God told me how to hold the pages, man. I'm telling you, it's like this thing is like it's it's special, bro. Like, there was like pre-written instructions on how to do do the reading in there. So, yeah. Hold it down. That's for the argument that says because there's been so much separation of like political canon tied with religious canon, tied with how the chains of history march forward through war. How did we get this canon? And what's behavioral canon? What's the behavioral canon?

SPEAKER_06 49:37

Yeah, yeah. And people are acting, or I guess they had the idea of there was this uh I think it was on Live Free with Josh Howarton and a guy, he had written a book just kind of recounting the more or less Christian nature or the Christian sort of influence in the like the creating of America, like in 1776 and like those preceding and proceeding years.

SPEAKER_07 49:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 49:59

And uh just a lot of evidence, or just like a lot of ideas and and like uh information pointing towards the idea that yes, like these were like people who believed in this Christian thing for real. Yeah, or at least claim to like builds built upon it. Our legal system, or you know what I'm saying? Like the innocent is proven guess proven guilty. Freedom speech.

SPEAKER_08 50:21

That's actually two big ones, huge. Right to bear arms to protect your freedom of speech. Mind blowing. Second track on the album. Yeah, mind blowing.

SPEAKER_03 50:32

Intro is crazy, dog. Yeah, the intro to the minute or the bill of rights, the second amendment.

SPEAKER_08 50:38

Go crazy, dude. Yeah, I think that all the time about the second amendment. I'm like, what a banger follow-up. Like just like say what you want and you're go for it. Yeah, that's crazy, bro.

SPEAKER_06 50:49

Built on that, wielding the sword for real, being able to speak your truth or being able to speak at all, you know what I'm saying? And like being willing to talk about it for real, for real. Not just like, okay, I'm just gonna kill this person, you know what I'm saying? It's like in that case, you don't have to be right, you know what I'm saying? If you're willing to play at that level, right, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_08 51:06

Right, it's a problem.

SPEAKER_06 51:08

Yeah, it's like that's kind of what I was Squid Games is kind of pointing out. It's like you need to at that level, it's oh man, Allah so sauce in that dude.

SPEAKER_08 51:19

It's a problem. No, I know what you mean. Yeah, being right's not enough, doing the right thing's not enough. If somebody's willing to like just cheat and like I thought about this, this is like a core thought back in the day. It's like the evil, that's that's the problem with the evil.

SPEAKER_06 51:31

Like, it is willing to do the thing, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 51:34

Like, how did Jon Snow make it so far? Well, evil evil was just trying to like kill him the whole time. Be like, this is gonna make this guy not a problem. He was playing the most true evil, yes. Um, and they were they were trying to kill him, you know what I'm saying? They're they were trying to take him off the ball.

SPEAKER_06 51:46

He was the least equipped, you know what I'm saying? His squad wasn't nothing, dog. Yeah, yeah, the the night, the knights of the of the wall. It was a laughing stock, bro. Tyrion, we talk about that for real. And they're facing the most true danger for real, for real.

SPEAKER_08 52:02

He's the most noble hero in that story. That's he and it points to this magic like karma armor that you have. It's like pursuing the highest ideal with your best intentions with the most effort that you can. Creates an environment where the evil can't kill you, you know? You conquer it, which is crazy.

SPEAKER_01 52:20

Yeah, yeah, no.

SPEAKER_06 52:24

That should care. The only one for real. But Jesus had done it to others for sure, and then it happened once in the Old Testament. So it's like, do you even believe in like that at all? Or do you and then do you believe that it happened to this guy? Because if you believe he's a real person, then he had to have died, and then the question is like, okay, now where what's the uh what's the hang-up? Or some people think he's really dead, or he's like died for real. Okay, well, as a historian, uh he lived as a person, he died for sure.

SPEAKER_08 52:56

So like you either believe he died and came back or died and just died. That's it. That's where it's that uh testimony of the people that saw him, right? That's the people because not everybody saw him. But you're saying that the testimony of the people that saw him resurrected, you're like, oh, that is lies, all that's cap, all that's propaganda. That's the myth, that's the that's the legend, that's where that's where he became like a cult leader.

SPEAKER_06 53:24

Or he didn't really die on the cross, or whatever the the reasoning is whatever it is, and then to to really believe that and act upon that is a whole nother thing. And people don't even want to get to that first part.

SPEAKER_08 53:38

Yeah. These are the holdouts of like it only boils down to so many, you know? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_06 53:48

And it's shape how you act, man. It's behavioral patterns, man. People believed in that stuff more, man. It was more culturally acceptable than like to read your Bible at the pool in the 1950s, you know what I'm saying? Versus doing it today. It's a little more weird, it feels like, right?

SPEAKER_02 54:02

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_08 54:03

Mm-hmm. I felt weird. I felt out of place. But doing that in the 50s, though. Maybe not so much. I don't think so. I just don't know. What do you people what does anybody read the Bible for? I'm like trying to read, like, it's interesting to read it, like like get in Matthew and just get going. So then it's like got a story to it, because it's like this guy told this story for this reason, like this, because he's trying to do this. Like even Luke gets into a point where it's like he really believed that um no, culturally, they believed that like eyewitness testimony was more valuable for sure than second eyewitness testimony. And that was like because there was this cultural thing of like if you were there, then like you would know. Or like the people who were older in society carried more weight, you would be more in line to tell the truth here, and your truth would matter more.

SPEAKER_06 54:50

Yes, like it's literally like legitimately tell the truth.

SPEAKER_08 54:53

Totally, yes. Yeah, um, like in a court for sure.

SPEAKER_06 54:56

You can know what happened for real.

SPEAKER_08 54:58

Hopefully, yeah, right. That that would be like what you want, I guess, back then. It's that valuable. And then it was old people too, like I guess in these political conversations and stuff like that. It was like there was like a priority or preference towards someone who was older because like they knew more, and so, but it was like a real cultural thing of like eyewitness testimony and like uh wisdom allegedly supposed to be getting like the say-so in these environments. So Luke's like really aware of that, and he's like, This is not firsthand testimony, I guess, because Luke's not one of the twelve. So he's doing a collection of like his understanding of the testimonies from like Mark and Matthew. Yeah, direct witnesses, yes, and um and he's saying, like, more or less like because he knows that there's a separation and a gap there, that in the writing he tries really hard to like use these sermons and these examples that are so um like prominent in the culture right now that it's kind of undeniable that these ones like came from a place, like the reason why this whole city knows this one story really well is because it's from the Peter and Peter was there and then he like taught that there and stuff like that. So like Luke's trying to like make up for that, like off rip. But that's always I can see how that's like a like as soon as it starts getting like two generations away from Jesus, they're like gonna be some man, they could have been lying, or who was really there? Who could really know?

SPEAKER_06 56:26

There's a little bit of us that can get into there and the ego and the pulling away, the questioning.

SPEAKER_08 56:30

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 56:31

So Luke's trying to like get into it the thing that questions the truth and rebels, Satan itself, whatever's going on, the snake, it's there. The stone in the mountain. You're physical.

SPEAKER_08 56:44

He saw Jesus. They're trying to tell their grandkids, you know what I mean? It gets tough.

SPEAKER_06 56:51

Yeah, once it gets to 20, 40, 80, 60, 100, 500 years, start to lose something. You know, there is something more, yeah. The the eyewitness testimony of someone is telling the truth. We get to legitimately know what's going on.

SPEAKER_08 57:10

Yeah, yeah. And so all that to say, it was a problem for Luke, who's like one generation separated. And then flash of today when people have these arguments about like the translations or like the passed down generations of this story, make it lose accuracy. It's like it's always going to be a critique of Jesus, I suppose. And what what weight does it carry today? How much should I live my life like that right now? Was he even right back then? It's like these are the these are the holdouts. It's just some of it's like just hard to experience something until you're experiencing it. I can't can't I can't really truly make you understand why yoga is great for you.

SPEAKER_06 57:52

We were talking about all this, and then it brought me to a thought in the within that earlier, but now I remembering because the thing is Pastor Fred was talking about it on Easter. Like you could do that. We're talking about the ability for someone to debate you at the level of theology or like debate, but you can't debate the test like the testimony. You can't question my experience. Like, all I can give you is my testimony of my experience, and my experience is pretty tight.

SPEAKER_07 58:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 58:19

Ultimately, if I'm being honest, is like I'm trying to legitimately be authentic and be myself and be legitimately striving towards a better version of myself, even by my own standards and measures, and those standards and measures are all influenced by Christ. And I'm trying to do all those things to the best of my ability. I'm like, I'm uh you need to separate it into like a longer haul as well. You can't just expect working out's like the greatest translation of all time, bro. You know what I'm saying? It takes time, it takes time, it takes weeks, months, days, weeks, months, years, decades. And then once you stop working out, it's like, oh, like, where'd it go? You know what I'm saying? All you got's a season, all you have is a day. Yeah, man. So you have is now you gotta spiritually work out too. You gotta go get through that. You gotta try to put your mental frame on that, try to set your actions on that. Start with reading the Bible and praying. Reading the Bible and praying. Start with that. Meditation. Even just sitting down for a little bit. That's kind of what praying is too, but to a degree, kind of mix it too a little bit. Also, like or even just like writing down prayers on a prayer journal. It's like doing that. That's like some bag and buys, some squats, some comp hell lifts, and some spiritual fitness.

SPEAKER_10 59:41

And do that, and see what's up, see what happens.

SPEAKER_08 59:45

The micro to the macro, it's all phenomenal. The testimony. You can't debate my testimony. I'm sorry. Can't debate that body of work. This is my first this is my this is my dojo. Yeah. Don't hustle on this. People could say that you're imbalanced, a little bit crazy, definitely weird. I do not exist. That's what I'm saying. People would be like, No, but but these are gonna be the arguments because like people are people and people and we're just people doing stuff.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:20

That's us and thinking stuff too. Yeah, pushing the mountain up the up the thing, so it's like totally, and then it's also exhaust mentally and spiritually, emotionally, psychologically, abstractly exhausting as well. Yeah, yeah, cowboy, doing things, thinking about stuff. If you're loving feeling things about those thoughts about that stuff.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:44

That's that's experience. That's what we're doing here. That's what we're doing here. Yeah, so I can't uh you can't debate my testimony, you can't do it. That's what I'm saying. You can't do it. You can't tell me working out doesn't work. You can't tell me. You can't tell me I didn't feel better after working out. Yeah. Right after doing the yoga. Yeah, facts, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:04

It's like that was a waste of time. Like, I don't think so. I think that was pretty great.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:08

It's phenomenal.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:09

I feel pretty great about that, actually.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:11

I'm like having to pull myself away from this.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:13

I feel physically and abstractly. It's like that was good, that was good. Good little wrestle with some chaos, that's organized chaos, doing something that's hard. Yeah, there's like a developing push the boulder stat. Doing hard things.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:29

Yeah, that's true. It's like the yoga gets it's it starts to get sweet. It's like I felt like I was wringing out sludge, felt great. Um, there's like a release. The release feels good. Like you're you are tight, like your spine doesn't get like uh fully expanded and retracted in a way very often throughout your normal day where you can like stretch everything out, and there is something innately endogenously uh impactful about the fact that you're a person carrying a load all the time. It's like when you address that and like change that up, your mind is like, whoa. And that's at a baseline level, I promise that's true. Like that's that's what's going on there fundamentally as a thing. Then it gets all the way to like a psychedelic place where you're like, I swear, every time I'm really into it, I'm like tripping, bro. My thoughts are like inverted on each other. During yoga, yeah, every time inverted thoughts, dude. There was one time I definitely was got outside of my body. Like I was doing this hard. Did someone debate you out of that? No, dude.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:36

No, no, we're in here. We're experiencing experience, thinking about stuff, doing things. It's us, yeah, dude.

SPEAKER_08 1:02:43

Yeah, and so that's what I'm trying to tell the world right now is like if you've never felt out of your body, I can understand how it might be difficult for you to understand how this one time I fell out of my body, but you you can try the yoga. I'm telling yoga got me there. That's the same thing ultimately up to Jesus, is what I'm trying to say, too. It's like fine, find whatever we're you're we're all making bargains and justifications. We're all like striking deals with our conscious all the time. Place some bets. Yeah, dude. Place bets, striking deals, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:15

Place again. We'll place your bets.

SPEAKER_08 1:03:17

I'll I'll be okay with that because of this. I'm okay with that because of this. Well, I'll do that because of this. You justifications and you're making deals with yourself with what's acceptable. And then it's like for whatever uh for whatever reasons like the Jesus stuff, like uh most people's justifications are like their best bets. It's like I get it, like you're doing yeah, you know what I mean. My bet on Jesus.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:43

Yeah, well betting on something.

SPEAKER_08 1:03:44

But yeah, put all your chips. What do you believe? What do you believe is real? What do you believe is true? For some reason they have holdouts, they have these holdouts. There's so many bets to be placed all in DraftKings. I know, but it's everywhere. It's everywhere. You'll believe in Jalen Brunson, but you won't believe in Jesus.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:07

I don't uh in Popey Trust, man. There's just there's just something there's a Spurs Jesus. Remember that?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:15

Social figure here.

SPEAKER_08 1:04:16

Prominence.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:17

Go, Spurs, go. Come on, man. Spurs Jesus.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:21

There's these holdouts, man. When it's coming back, he's coming back to Texas, dog. He's coming back to Texas, dog. We don't see him our grandchildren, or maybe our great grandchildren.

SPEAKER_08 1:04:30

That'll be sweet, dude. That'll be sweet. I think it'd be pretty cool. I understand, but they're throwing a chip on it. You know, I'll bet my life on it.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:41

Yeah, I guess throwing a little on it. And what's the holdout on that? Even it's hard. He's coming back. Maybe not to Texas. Put a chip on Texas.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:49

I think Texas, dog. Life on that. There's a lot of cities. Okay, okay. Within the the prop beta's coming back. Yes. It's like we're gonna problem apart like it's coming back.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:06

Well, not experience experience. Is it gonna be nighttime or daytime? Am I gonna be sleeping for it? Am I gonna be awake for it?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:13

Probably.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:14

Dude, it has to think daytime, right? In the clouds, we're gonna see him in the clouds. At a different time. How does how does Jesus you're right? You're right. Because Japan's on the other side, right? But but but God. But Jesus.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:29

Outside of my comprehension, it's gonna be dead wrong. Dead wrong.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:33

No, it's just like I think at one point it says that the sun's gonna the sun's gonna die, and that's there won't be any sun or any moon. So it's gonna be like dark all the time. I don't think it'll be dark all the time. I think God's gonna like show us we're in a room.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:45

I think it might be out of there at that point.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:47

Okay, yeah. I can't remember if that was supposed to be before or after that moment.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:50

I'm not sure what happens with us as far as uh the idea of the rapture when that happened, like getting harvested. How would you know unless you run the mic? Get on the pool maybe sometimes. Because I don't know either. You know what I mean? Yeah, no, it's a whole thing. It's inexhaustible. And we'll keep on pushing on that. Believe in that. That's trying to guide some of the actions and habits I'm trying to form, the battles I'm struggling with.

SPEAKER_08 1:06:16

Dude, yeah. So from the average person, from the everybody else at the pool's perspective, I think that they're like, yeah, Christianity is like the right way to live, you know, it's like salad. It's like a good diet. I know what I'm supposed to do. We know what we're supposed to do. I mean, we're for the most part, we're doing an okay job doing what we're supposed to do. And then, you know, when people die, we pray for them, we bury them, and we think about God or whatever, you know what I mean? And then, like, we're tired, like, we're like, what would God, what should I do? I gotta figure out for myself, what would Jesus do? What would Jesus do? What if what's gonna happen in the rapture? Like, I think that that there is a separation there, and I'm probably okay with that, but but at least I understand it now too. I'm trying to like conceptualize things. Like Jordan Peterson, kind of a crazy person. Thank God he exists. Love him to death. But he's phenomenal for a reason.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:10

He's just been truth, though.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:12

Just been truth, though.

SPEAKER_08 1:07:14

He's talking about some out there stuff.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:16

He's out there.

SPEAKER_08 1:07:19

When I went out of my body, dude and it's fully wrapped around, and I was trying to hold this pose, and then I'm like thinking to myself, like, pushing, I'm pushed past my limits, and I'm like, there is no way that I could get to that next, like I could feel like there's one more spot. I'm like, there's no way that I could get there unless I like I was like, unless I just like got like out of my body, and I did. And then I went into place, and I was like hovering above me just for like maybe like five to eight seconds, and I was just like, yo, whoa. And that's it looked like there was like a box, and I could like see the me and like a little bit of the surrounding, and then I was like above that, and then it was just like all black all around me. And it's like one little boop boop, and I was like one little one by one went back into there, and then like came back out of the stretch, and I was like, Yoga's fucking crazy, yo. So yeah, highly recommend the inverted thoughts, the it's like the answers to your questions, redefine the questions, and then the redefining of the question gives you context that you didn't have before. And then what does that context mean? That's a whole nother question. It becomes pretty inverted on itself, but then you're actually getting in there, actually re-working some stuff out at a moment where this guy had a bird, he's like, Do you want to hold the bird? And I was like, Is he cool with that? And then he was like, Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's he'll just like jump over to your arm. I was like, he's not gonna like freak out or anything like that. He's like, No. And I was like, okay, and then he like jumped on my arm and then was like chilling with me. But I'm like kind of a nervous wreck, like, not sure if this is gonna, but then I'm like, no, give him good energy, you know. I'm chill, I'm cool, cool. I'm talking, I'm talking. And then I just had this weird feeling of like, it's weird how I just expected that to not be. I expected the bird to not be cool with that. I expected it to not go well for him to freak out, for me to be afraid. Like, I just like went in there with like this this would be my expectation of holding that bird. So it would go, it was it would go poorly, and I would not have enjoyed the experience. And then immediately afterwards, I was like, do I do that with everything? Is that is that a subconscious like it felt like this like here's one interaction to show you this one thing that's kind of deep in there that you should think about. And I was like, that feels like the psychedelic part of the experience. It's like went from bird to internal trauma potentially, which is good because I was trying to work through some of that shit, you know. Ultimately, I don't think I do that, but I think that the urge to do that might start to appear, and I gotta like not not become one of those people that expects bad things, you know? Yeah, yeah. Just be cool. Just been like, yeah, man, what do I do? I just hold the burn. That would have been what a cool guy would have done, I guess. Someone is not afraid of bad things.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:19

Don't snow. Give me that burn. Give me that burn.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:30

Oh man. Oh man, I was gonna say, I think I actually gotta get going here in a second, though.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:34

But um, was there any parting words for the beautiful people in their coming weeks, life itself? Final thoughts.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:45

Keep cooking, keep moving, keep it moving, pass around. Pass around, keep moving, keep them moving.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:51

Um I love how they recirculated.

SPEAKER_08 1:10:54

Mind blower.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:56

What are the odds?

SPEAKER_08 1:10:58

Odds are insurmountable, and Jesus wins every time. If you have holdouts, I get it, I get it. I think uh it's crazy because I think like the bigger your holdouts, maybe it's just like the bigger your heart is, or like the more worship you have to give, or like you really don't want to compromise what you claim to be sacred. But then I feel like Jesus will get in there, you know what I mean? And then once you have all that sacred to give Jesus, it's gonna be like amazing. So if you have holdouts, like that's cool, man. Work through them, you know what I mean? But you know, you know, really work through them. Don't just have these holdouts for no reason. Like, you gotta really think that stuff. You gotta really think. They were lying. What do you cheer for, dog? What do you cheer for, dog?

SPEAKER_06 1:11:43

Have a whole nother podcast.

SPEAKER_08 1:11:45

But we all here. We will we love you, we will have a whole nother podcast. Of course. Continue on. I love you.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:56

Love you all. We'll see you in a billion years. Rolling through the city to the light show.