The Moment Wemby CHANGED EVERYTHING | Are We Watching Greatness Happen? | The MJ38 Show #135

Every once in a while, sports gives you a moment that feels bigger than the game itself.

In this episode of The MJ38 Show, we dive into the Spurs playoff run, Victor Wembanyama’s overtime shot, San Antonio’s energy, the lucky shirt moment, the possibility of another Spurs dynasty, and what it feels like to witness greatness before everyone fully realizes what is happening.

This conversation starts with Spurs fans lining up at Academy for shirts after a historic win, then turns into a deeper discussion about Wemby, sports mythology, magic moments, the feeling of being in “the good old days,” Drake, artistic greatness, faith, culture, and how certain moments in life make the subjective and objective collide.

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We talk about:

- Victor Wembanyama’s playoff moment
- Spurs vs OKC
- The Spurs returning to the Finals conversation
- San Antonio culture
- Lucky shirts and sports superstition
- The beginning of a possible dynasty
- Drake, Iceman, and witnessing greatness
- Forrest Frank vs secular music
- Faith, culture, and artistic expression
- Why some moments feel written

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SPEAKER_02 0:11

135. And life is good. A lot of time.

SPEAKER_03 0:16

My God is good. Did you have a lot of time? What's up? Just process. Your shirt is the uh God is great. Yes, you have the shirt. That's the shirt.

SPEAKER_02 0:25

Yes, man.

SPEAKER_03 0:26

Did you go to an academy? Yes, man. You're an animal.

SPEAKER_02 0:29

Victoria went to an academy, dog. A savage. I was like eating. We got home around like midnight. Maybe a little afterwards. And then she calls me at like 12:15 or so. She gets out a little bit after I get home. And it's like Saturday night. Spurs Bucks. Buckets, they win. Spurs OKC, not the Bucks. Game seven. Yeah, they did it. And then she's like, Academy has like, they're opening at midnight and they're giving out shirts. Well, not giving out shirts, like have the shirts on sale. And then they sold out. She's like over into the next morning. And uh yeah, uh she was going and I was like eating an H E B meal. And I was like, I kind of want you to go. Or like, this is like a thing, you know what I'm saying? And she's like, the line is crazy. It's like literally wrapped around the building, around the building, like around the building, almost all four corners. It's like a far, a big line. But yeah, she ended up waiting. I was like, I'll pull up. And then we just, yeah, we just did the academy thing. I was like, this shirt is more than a shirt, you know what I'm saying? This is deeper. This is a moment. This is a moment. This is a this is a thing in history that's gonna go down, you know. It's like a the narratives are so crazy and the story's so wild. The parallels between it are an inch and a mile.

SPEAKER_03 1:47

You know, you know, in the office when Andy's like, I wish we knew we were in the good old days when they were just like the days. Like I just want to tell San Antonio, like, you're in the good old days right now. This is it.

SPEAKER_02 1:57

So I want to make a song about that.

SPEAKER_03 2:01

Yes. This is it right now. So, yeah, Cap getting a shirt from that moment. Because yeah, I came home from our friend's house as a huge Spurs fan.

SPEAKER_02 2:09

Oh, we'll dive into that in a second. Oh we'll pray real quick, we'll jump into this energy. But dear Heavenly Father, we kinda want to come see you in this moment and allow it to be inspired by you. We ask that we are able to let go of ourselves and let your Holy Spirit guide us in speech and in intention and bring us and the viewership and listenership closer to you, into the ideologies of you and the true spirit and feeling of what it means to be a servant of you in all three aspects. Like Pastor was talking about this past weekend. Allow us to do so in your holy name. Jesus Christ pray. Amen. Spurs energy, the shirt. It's so much of a moment, dawg. I'm freaking, we're actually gonna go to game one, dog.

SPEAKER_03 2:50

Whoa.

SPEAKER_02 2:51

We're gonna go to game one. Whoa. By the time this comes out, it'll be game three in New York.

SPEAKER_03 2:55

Whoa.

SPEAKER_02 2:56

So hopefully we're going in 2-0. Spurs sweep, dawg. What you think logistically, realistically? Spurs and six, Spurs and seven. Does Wimby do it to him? We'll be at game three when this comes out. But we're going to game one, and it's like uh, I don't even know. Like this, something took over me. I was like, we're gonna go to this thing because this thing is this thing is crazy.

SPEAKER_03 3:19

Something took over me.

SPEAKER_02 3:23

I was like it, because we on that drive where we're talking about the lucky shirt, but we're also talking about I was like, there's the the parallels between these two dynasties are so funny. And this was back whenever there was OKC game one, and I was like, Yeah, this they got like the legendary big man, they got dope point guard, and they got a dope six men off the bench, and Brian or uh Dylan Harper, who's a lefty, they'd be coming in, he's a slasher. I love I want the Harper Junior. I was like, that's so that's so just Parker, Duncan, Ginobili, and like it's just such a cool parallel and a cool story narrative that it's the the Spurs got going for him right now.

SPEAKER_03 3:57

You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 3:58

I believe in that. And now they're playing the Knicks, which is a rematch of their first championship ever in the 1999 finals. Okay, if the NBA is writing that script, they're writing Okay, it's heat.

SPEAKER_03 4:11

That's fine.

SPEAKER_02 4:12

You keep writing, that's fine. That's why I was like, I don't know if they need to, because in the football analogy, I remember thinking about the narrative. I was like, I'm not sure what's gonna happen here, but the story's gonna play out. I think the story's gonna play out is that Patty Mahomes loses to Tom Brady, and Tom Brady goes and does his thing one more time, potentially, or whatever, and then uh Patty starts going on his run. Like a passing of the torch almost. And then I was like, I'm not sure if they have to do that with OKC exactly, because they don't really have uh they are like the recent champ. But either way, do what you gotta do. And the story I think might be that they're repeating their dynasty. And this is the beginning of it, and it's something special. And Wamby's first finals game. Whamby's first finals game.

SPEAKER_03 4:57

It's it's amazing. It's amazing in this moment. Also, I saw I go sing young Wamby. Who's the this is the second time that the Spurs have beaten the Spurs no, I can't remember what it is. One of their players won a game seven in the Western Conference Finals on his birthday against OKC. But he was on a different team and then they came and did the same thing. Harrison Barnes, I think. Yeah, right. Okay. What is that? What is that? Like, you know what I mean? That's a weird parallel. His birthday wins, yeah. And at game seven against the Thunder to go to the to the chip. To the chip, dog. Do you see that as a as someone who reads markets for profit? And the narrative, what's going on here?

SPEAKER_02 5:44

Oh my god, no one knows what's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_03 5:46

It made me want to put racks on the spurs. Like, this guy wins in game seven on his birthday. The foreshadowing happened, did you not know? But anyways, I going to game one is sick. What do I think is gonna happen in seven games? Um dude, I kind of just feel like they might win in six. That's like the but I'd love to see him go to game seven. It's gonna go to six or seven games. I don't think it's gonna be a short series. The Knicks are good, bro. That's a problem for like I want to tell them boys to like if I was a coach, man. Dude, no, if that's happening right now, bro.

SPEAKER_02 6:23

We might be seeing young, like MJ-esque energy entering the league right now, dog.

SPEAKER_03 6:28

He lost his first. That's why I'm I'm like a little worried. I wanted them to chill. Jordan never lost. Or sorry, what are we talking about? He lost to the Pistons before he went on his first three-chip run.

SPEAKER_02 6:38

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:39

And that's why I'm like, the Knicks are good. I hope that they're not the Pistons in a Jordan-like scenario. Because they're just so excited. He was so excited to beat Shy and go to the chip. I wanted to be like, chill out, we gotta play in like five days, dog. Like, this can't be your Super Bowl. Yeah, this is this has to be some jobs not finished.

SPEAKER_02 6:57

I would have been like, Job's not finished.

SPEAKER_04 6:59

Ain't nobody popping up. Job's not finished. That's all they're watching, dog.

SPEAKER_02 7:02

Force them to watch it. Yeah, just watch Kobe. I think after they win game two in the finals, he's still on the job's not finished. Because Brunson lost to Shy last year, right? Uh no, it was uh Tyrese and the Pacers going on a historic run. Historic run. Hallie going out of nowhere, dude. Halley going bananies is one of the craziest postseasons in basketball. And they lost in game seven to the Thunder. But then, yeah, the Spurs they ended up doing it, figuring it out, doing something. They got Wimby, they're young, they're crazy. The parallel between them and the old 90s Spurs is crazy. RS 2000s.

SPEAKER_00 7:44

Going on a run.

SPEAKER_02 7:48

And Wimby hitting them shots, bro. Just hitting that OT shot. That's hitting the half court buzzer beater.

SPEAKER_03 7:54

You need magic moments. Like, like give me documentary footage. Like I can strike lightning. That Wimby gave you footage, they're gonna show there's gonna be there'll be a big story. That's what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying? That's magic moments, baby. That's what that's what life's constituted of. Like romance me with the poetry that is your motion, you know? That was he made you fall in love on that show. Special. Special, something's crazy's going on here, man. I don't know what's happening. You see the virals. I lay down my life for the Spurs, man. For Wimpy? For Wimpy. I love Wimpy. It's like Wimpy made you fall in love with him with that shot, you know?

SPEAKER_02 8:34

And then finish it. They finish it in game seven. The finish in game seven is crazy. I literally had the in the restaurant, everyone was going nuts. Yeah, yeah. I imagine, dude. It's a small restaurant, but uh yeah, so yeah, it's chanting ghost spurs go. It's like screaming it in the dining room, everybody. After they win game seven, downtown San Antonio, and then outside on outside of our patio area, there is where they're having the drone show, Nike commercial with the alien drone show. Because people go outside and they're like, I thought they were lighting fireworks at the Tower of the Americas, but no, it was the spaceship green drone show, Nike commercial life or Wimby.

SPEAKER_03 9:19

That's cool. That's I'm sorry. Your life is a movie, dog. Like, that's as cool as it gets, bro. That's why he's got the shirt, yo. That's why he's going to game one, yo. Like, it's happening. I'm in. It's happening.

SPEAKER_02 9:32

I want to watch, because uh, I was like, maybe we could skip it, and like when we might they might have it like because they're young, they could have a good run, and we have another chance to go to a final scan. True, you know what I'm saying? I was like, nah, maybe you should just go. Just just just to go.

SPEAKER_03 9:47

You never know. You never know what's gonna happen. Yeah, it's crossing the barrier of and it's dope. Yes. I had this thought the other day when I was I was out there psychonauting around and I found this thought, and it was I think psychedelic is where the subjective meets the objective, like they're meeting in this place where it's like the same, and that is a psychedelic experience where like what's happening in your subjective reality, and then like a plane flies over by, and it's like you're like that's like we are meshing with the I know that's what everybody's seeing, but like what that just happened with my and my mental scope is beyond that's psychedelic, and so I feel like that's what's happening with like the Spurs, like your subjective story, and then the objective, like this y'all, you guys are like it's happening to you, that's becoming your story. These five guys who just go to practice and shit are like becoming basketball, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's like psychedelic. Like, how could you not like it's happening right now? It's like, yeah, I wanted to get one for me and one for Demi. I'm like, why? I'm like, because I was here when it happened. I was a witness, yo. I was a witness, and you get to witness like the skylight up. I don't know why, but that's like some Drake shit, bro. Like, what color the tower tonight? Dude, the alien for real going nuts, going crazy. And in the last month, two towers have been lit up for something crazy happening. It's like Drake paid like hundreds of thousands of dollars to turn the CN Tower like frosted and installed shit on it to do it, and then like the Wemby Tower thing happened, and both of those went viral in the last month. It's like, yeah, that's cool. That's like the coolest stuff. We're the coolest stuff going on. That's cool. You see like the Nike stuff going viral with all the nuns and the aliens?

SPEAKER_02 11:28

No. Oh man's aliens, Nike, dude.

SPEAKER_03 11:32

They're heat, bro. It's like there's one picture and it's like in black and white, and it's like twenty nuns sitting in a like a church choir, and then it's like Wimby at the end, and then they're all praying, and then you just like scroll to the next one, and it's like one page, and then it just shows Wimby at the end being like huge, and it's just like their captions are heat too. There's like six or seven different ones that have come out with like uh like uh just pray was one of them, and it was like Wimby face to face with Shy with like a whole like church behind him. It's just like just pray, and Chai was like looking scared, like nervous, you know. Heat, bro, going viral all all over the internet right now. Right here in San Antonio, right here, right here on your shirt. Whenby game one, he's going to it.

SPEAKER_02 12:14

Wemby.

SPEAKER_03 12:15

Okay, how do you not? Yeah, dude.

SPEAKER_02 12:17

Whenby's first, it's Wemby's first. That's the other thing, too. It's Wemby's first. We'll see. That that's always gonna be true. And he could be this could be the start of the dynasty. That's what that's what I think is happening right now. I was like, because I think Patty had to lose to Tom in the pursuit of going to the final finals, and I think yeah, Jordan Jordan never lost in the final finals. Or even seeing it in Kobe, seeing his first finals, just people, the story, I guess the narrative attached to it. And it's crazy because they're also young and no one expected this. But some people did because they're like good, but they're young, and it was a lot of objections and questions and potential.

SPEAKER_00 12:57

But they go hard.

unknown 12:58

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 13:00

They go hard. I don't know what to tell you, dude. Something happened in here, bro. The city's going up, bro. They won around 10 o'clock and they were honking well into like the one and 1 a.m.

SPEAKER_03 13:12

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:13

Downtown going nuts.

SPEAKER_03 13:14

I get home at 1.15, dude. I'm pulling up, but there's an academy right next to where I live, so I'm just like, there's no way that they're still selling shirts. Like, I don't really know how it worked. They won like three hours ago, you know what I'm saying? And then I get there, and then sure enough, lying wrapped around the block, a guy walks out, and he just looks like not super receptive to my energy. And I'm like debating, I'm like, should I just wait in this line right now and just get a shirt? Like, I'm here, like literally the account of my house. Line out the door. What I'm in this moment, too. You know what I'm saying? I know I'm not a Spurs fan, but like I'm falling in love too. What are y'all doing?

SPEAKER_02 13:47

What are you what are energy doing right now?

SPEAKER_03 13:50

Yeah, this is this is crazy.

SPEAKER_04 13:51

I was like, I'm emotionally inspired, I'm emotionally moved. Yeah, I want to do this.

SPEAKER_02 13:59

I get it, bro. I know it's late. I'm willing to wait in line for two hours.

SPEAKER_03 14:04

Yeah. To get a shirt. To commemorate this one. And the guy was like, I was like, how long did you wait, man? And he goes, Fucking four hours, man. No, slammed the car door.

SPEAKER_04 14:16

And I was like, Did he have a bag?

SPEAKER_02 14:18

Did he have shirts? Yeah. Okay, okay, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_03 14:20

But I was just like, it'd be about 5 a.m. if I waited four hours. I don't I don't think I can logistically do that. On my current timeline, I can and then I was just people were giving up too. You could see people walking back to their cars, and I was just like, nah, man, I've got like an hour left of like awakeness period before I just pass out. And then I was on tick Instagram, and they were like, selling that shirt, like you could get it shipped to you, like it'd be here in like two or three days. Yeah, and it's not the same thing. See, I'm not, I wasn't there. I didn't even buy the shirt on the, I was like, I'm good, actually. Like, uh, I'm I'm awaiting it's cool because my wife was down, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 15:01

I was like, I'll do it with you, that's tight. I'll pull up with you. Oh, wait, and line, this is tight. This is a cool kind of moment. This is a cool thing. Yes, mainly for her story. I get the piggyback, it's dope.

SPEAKER_03 15:12

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's sick. I feel you.

SPEAKER_02 15:15

That's what I thought it was such a moment, too, just like objectively. If someone watches like basketball objectively, I'm just like, this team, they could do it. The Knicks are good, but they could do it. I don't know. I think they're a different team than they were even like three months ago. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 15:28

The Spurs, yeah, dude. Yes, this new identity they have of like the four slashers. The slashers, dude.

SPEAKER_04 15:34

The hashlinging slashers, dude.

SPEAKER_03 15:36

Dude, I love it, bro. Castle will put you on a poster, bro. He'll make your stock go down, bro. Like, do you really you don't want to see him?

SPEAKER_02 15:44

Oh no, he's he's he's like that for real. He's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 15:47

Big and physical, like it's not that there's nothing easy about that matchup.

SPEAKER_02 15:50

He's crazy, Dylan Harper's crazy, Wimby's crazy, and Dylan Harper's same thing, bro, with the boy coming off the bench, though. He's a rookie, dude.

SPEAKER_03 15:59

Carter Bryant's a rookie, dude. That guy also, like, both of those guys doing the role that they're doing right now is what's taking them over the top, in my opinion. Because like the matchups are like Wimby's taking out their one, probably beating their one, their best guy, like canceling him out. And then it's like, well, who's their next best guy? And then it's weird because it's like Castle and Wimby had to handle Shy and Chet, like make sure that they don't go bananas. And together they were able to like do that with the supporting cast. Why? It's like, okay, well, who's the other, who's the the third? It's like Castle and then Harper, but then who's the other guy that's the Frenchell and Champagny? Yes, both of those guys, bro. Winning the matchups. Haslinging slashers, bro. Like, who's your next 10 threes, bro? Who's your third and fourth best guy on your roster? They're handling those guys, and it's like, okay, well, who's the next guy you got coming in? And we're like Harper holds the line, getting bucks on your ass, actually. Like, I feel like it's crazy, bro.

SPEAKER_02 16:52

It's crazy, bro. It's crazy. It's it's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 16:55

Vassell getting fired up, dunking on boys.

SPEAKER_02 16:57

Blocking, yeah, blocking chat, dude. Going off, man. It's just a such a crazy time in sports right now, specifically. This could be the start of something crazy. They're all so young, 22, 21, and both the rookies are 20. That's like, and then Vasel's like 24, Champagne's like 25 or 24. Yeah, someone at ballpark, and then Deara Fox.

SPEAKER_03 17:22

It's also crazy for me because like I've never been in a position in sports where like I've seen athletes. Like, some people have a relationship with the stadium or like the team in a way where you get to like see the athletes more than ever. No, me, never. Then like I've seen Vassel, I've seen Carter Bryant, like I've seen Mitch Robinson with my eyes. This close. Yeah. Shaking hands. And then like when I'm watching them on the court, that's like it's when I see Vassell getting like fired up on the court, I'm like, oh I like that Vassell. I didn't know he I don't think it's like that. I see like composed.

SPEAKER_02 17:55

He meeting threes, bro. Yeah. Crazy, bro. Crazy, bro. It's just such a cool, it's such a cool narrative for the Spurs. For their franchise. And the repeat of playing the Knicks again is such a crazy. So I'm like, okay, so then the question is, do they do it though? Is this really that? Is this really the start of the championship? Or are they gonna start it next year? Or is it ever gonna happen?

SPEAKER_03 18:17

They can do it. That's the thing. That's the thing. You guys gotta hoop, bro. I think they're down to do that though. Yeah. I think they're down to do that. They're in a put Oh, I just realized that they just entered a special, like we could do it. I could see like elder, what do they call it? The the franchise locker room. They that there's a locker room in the Spurs facility for like Ginobli. Alumni. Yeah, alumni locker room, yeah. So that and they're like in and out of the facility a lot, but I feel like they probably had a meeting this week where it's like, hey, like fucking everybody out but us. It's just us. We need to like dial in. You guys are entering a special place now. Like very few men know what this feels like right here to be in the championship game. Uh like locking in is like not enough.

SPEAKER_02 19:00

You guys gotta like uh just another game seven. It's just another game seven. Whatever we just did, like we just gotta whatever we're we're we're writing right now. Yes, just execute.

SPEAKER_03 19:12

Pressure is a good thing.

SPEAKER_02 19:14

We don't make mistakes. If we don't make mistakes, we can do it. We just can't beat ourselves. We'll have a chance.

SPEAKER_03 19:23

We'll see if it happens.

SPEAKER_02 19:24

We'll see if it happens.

SPEAKER_03 19:26

I think it might.

SPEAKER_02 19:27

I think it might be the beginning of another they've won five championships from 99 to 14.

SPEAKER_03 19:35

It could be an easy series, maybe another five championships over the next 10 years. I think this series goes like 4-2. But an easy 4-2. It's gonna be like a 3-1, 3-2, 4-2. I bet one team's gonna go up 3-1. Because it's a mental thing. I think somebody's gonna mentally not be there for it. I think Limby might be there with the monks and the nuns. If he comes out and just beats the Knicks by 30 in game one, bro, they're gonna fall apart. They're gonna fall apart. Like I could see Kat and be and Kat and Brunson being like, Brunson's not enough, bro. He's not enough.

SPEAKER_02 20:10

I think our defense can the defense of the Spurs can do it, can can hold them. They were just I don't know. We'll see what happens, dog. Either way, it's historic. It's such a such a cool run and such a random part of life that I'm able to like take part in. No, it's sick, bro. And we live in San Antonio, go to church of San Antonio, one of the biggest growing churches in the country. Yeah, it's like this is all dope. What's going on here? Pastor Ed wearing a Spurs jersey in the sermons. He's all in, this is what happens. I'm with you, dog. We went to Taco Palenque after I felt like Pastor Red. I was like, I've never been here. There's one like right next to the academy. And then Victoria was like, Yeah, let's just go to Taco P. Let's go try it out. I was like, okay. But it was solid. It was good. Yeah, I've been there. But never been there. It's only so many things open light. But he was the only association I had with that place is I'm pretty sure he has mentioned it before in a sermon.

SPEAKER_03 21:08

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02 21:09

And I was like, it's dope that this moment exists for like both of us.

SPEAKER_03 21:15

Like, I know what you're talking about now. Yeah, you're in a community. Community leaders, people who understand the experience. And then we have the Spurs doing great. The craziest thing I saw probably was they were just like packed. The streets outside the Spurs facility where the Spurs leave with their cars. And then we're just like, there was like a little parade going on. And everyone was driving slow with their cars to like leave the facility on this long road. And then these people were just lined up like with signs and like going nuts. Yeah, gate seven. They're like gate seven. There's some of them are reaching their hands out, like Dylan Harper's like dabbing people up outside his car and stuff like that. And I was like, dude, can you imagine, bro? Be like, what a crazy this is like high school fuck football. This is like varsity blues happening right now. It's like the things you watch in movies, people going crazy. We're going crazy right now.

SPEAKER_02 22:07

Crazy.

SPEAKER_03 22:08

It's cool. It's cool. Yeah. If I if this were the Colts and they were in the AFC Championship, I would have been like the Super Bowl's hard to get tickets too. Like, how much to go to the AFC Championship? Like, you want to get it?

SPEAKER_02 22:16

The Super Bowl's a little different.

SPEAKER_03 22:17

I want to be a part of that. I want to witness these things. It's only one, one and done. Yeah. Tickets are really expensive, and it's like a Hollywood event, too. So people go out for like other reasons. They can charge a lot more for tickets. Not just football fans going to that. Then with the finals, bro. Holy shit, bro.

SPEAKER_02 22:34

That's gonna be lit, dog. It's gonna be lit. If we can get game one, that's gonna be sick. Dude, Donald Trump's gonna be sick coming out 1-0. Yeah, dude. Stamin' game. Every game is game seven, bro. From here on out, guys. Like, we just gotta maintain that energy. Or that that that depth of gravity, appreciate it to the fullest, because it's true. Every game, every possession is so important.

SPEAKER_00 23:00

And they're all important. But there is like literally game seven. Yeah, it's a whole different thing.

SPEAKER_02 23:10

It's a do-or-die. Elimination game, bro. Game six, they were down three, two. They won six and seven back to back. They won game six with like 27 points. Oh man.

SPEAKER_03 23:22

That's what I'm saying. They have the ability to dominate. They pretty much won game seven handedly.

SPEAKER_02 23:27

They were pretty much the whole time, except for like maybe minute or so, two minutes. I'm not sure the exact time it's, but yeah, they were pretty much in the lead pretty handily for or not handily, but at least they weren't playing scared or like playing from behind or getting lucky.

SPEAKER_03 23:42

Everybody was hitting buckets. Seven players in double digits. Y'all boys gotta sleep, eat right, stay in the gym, turn off all the outside noise, live and breathe this shit, bro. Oh yeah, I need y'all here with me in the trench. That's in the trench, bro. Are we sleeping here for two weeks? Come on, bro. Let's go. Yeah, for real. It's sleep. Sleep, dog, for real. I need you fucking sleeping for all.

SPEAKER_02 24:05

Get some good sleep.

SPEAKER_03 24:06

Yeah. Stay within your habit range, but like, dude, sleep. Eat, do a little cardio. Take care of yourself.

SPEAKER_02 24:13

Yeah, good enough sleep, water, nutrients, all the things, bro. All the things, bro. Yeah, this is like you to dial in.

SPEAKER_03 24:20

I saw this clip of Alan Iverson where he was like, dial in with me. Man, what you know about basketball, man? It's like. AI? Yeah. Okay, the answer. He's like, you're you're over here telling me about why did I go 4 for 10 from threes? And he's like, uh, maybe it was worse than that. Maybe it was like four for 15 for three pointers. And he's like, that's God. I don't know. Like, I know, I don't know, which means you definitely don't know. And then you ask me why I know. I'm like, that's God. Like, I can't control that. Like at the end of the day, I compete. I do my best and I compete. And then what happens out there, game to game? It's like, that's God. And then that just like clicked in my heart on some level, is like uh all these guys, like ultimately, if they everyone's like doing their best, you know. It's like, are you really getting good sleep? And are you really doing the right like workout, nutrients, and then things leading up to performance? Once you're in performance, you can only give your best. That's all you can ever do, you know?

SPEAKER_01 25:18

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 25:20

And then some magic does have an alien, you said with the aliens and the nuns. That was the advertisement. Yeah, they're approaching them on Nike. Oh, on Nike. It would be easy to Yeah, and the alien, yeah. It's the the the Wimby and the nuns of the game.

SPEAKER_03 25:33

Yeah, yeah. That's like the brand, you know. I think I just have something safe because there's crazy part of it.

SPEAKER_02 25:42

It's gonna be a whole thing. It is a whole thing. It's cool. Stories while this is happening. But yeah, that was that's part of the story behind the shirt, and that's why it's so dope.

unknown 25:53

Whamby!

SPEAKER_02 25:55

Wamby that's San Antonio talk. They're coming in, yeah. That's just culture right now, it's dope. And even yeah, CBC blowing up continued growth, continued pretty upsetting solid growth year to year, I think.

SPEAKER_03 26:15

I actually love that place. Yeah, it's it's uh it's a brand. It's amazing. It's a good church. So we'll see. Yeah. Yeah, this is what I'm talking about, bruv. Jersey.

SPEAKER_02 26:46

Aliens are nice.

SPEAKER_03 26:48

Yeah, Drake's album is amazing. I think it's so funny that uh it's such a cliche all over the internet. Of like people who are like uh too into Drake's music. And so hating on Drake a little bit is like a brand, and then Kendrick really tapped into that brand, which is like just hating Drake energy. I don't know how anybody could listen to that music just going into music to listen to music and not be like, this is going crazy. I was listening to that album yesterday and I was just like just on a different level, on a different level in my life, on a different level of thinking and feeling and being just like so felt like in tune with myself and free and like inspired, can't explain it. His music just always does that to me. There's like one song for every album that I'll just like transcend with into Drake. We doing that. He's doing that, he be doing that, yeah. You can it's he's got some he's got some bars. I feel so weird and awkward. Like, I don't want to be like a loser and be like, I love Drake, like it's not very attractive for whatever reason. But I'm telling you, bro, like you gotta respect it, dude. He said some stuff, bro. He said some things.

SPEAKER_02 28:06

I don't know where he stands.

SPEAKER_03 28:10

And his acting is hilarious. Have you seen any of the clips of his moving company show?

SPEAKER_02 28:16

I don't think so.

SPEAKER_03 28:17

Dude, they're so funny. I'm gonna watch it. I posted one on my story the other day, where he's just like he owns a moving company, and then there's like another moving company, and then they like end up somehow. Maybe he thinks that the other moving company is like taking some of his routes, and then he gets into like confrontation with like the boss of the other moving company, but the other boss is like just a normal dude, but Drake's very much like treating it like it's like a mob, but he's like making fun of it, but all he's hilarious, bro. It's so funny. He's like, You got guys, huh? I got guys, okay. I got guys, guys, okay. He's just like in he's like, What are you talking about, bro? And he's like, You guys are just guys, man, you know. But I've got my men, my guys are men, yeah. It's like going back and forth with this guy, but you can tell he's like doing the bit, hilarious. Caleb Presley, hilarious, bro. So funny. But yeah, people hate on him, and people make it weird to be like, yeah, he's fucking up there for me for sure. Dude, he said some thanks, he's got some music out there. With that being said, I'm gonna drop a great uh Drake's Greatest Bangers playlist, make it public on Spotify. There's enough songs out like 9 a.m. in Dallas and 8 p.m. in Charlotte, and uh Make Them Pay. And I'm trying to think of the one where he's like, you know, boat rocking too much on some Aliya shit. Middle of the ocean, middle of the ocean. There's enough songs out there now where I could put a playlist of like 10 or 12 that were like the best song from every album that transcended me. And then that playlist is like pretty untouchable, honestly. Yeah, yeah, dude. Champagne poetry, pretty much untouchable, man. Like Jesus Walks, like one of the only people coming out of the East. What's weird is he's not even American, bro. He's like Canadian, bro. It's like you don't even think about that yet.

SPEAKER_02 30:08

Canadian on the grassy. Yeah. Yeah, we get to see his run. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. From the joke. From best I ever had. Yeah. On the radio.

SPEAKER_03 30:23

I jammed that song for sure. Okay, who's this guy?

SPEAKER_02 30:28

It's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 30:29

Yeah, bro. If you're getting ready to go out for the night, put on APM in Charlotte, tell me that I'll do something to you. Like, just tell yeah, I don't think you can, bro. Put you on some different shit, bro. I don't know. What is that? What is that thing I'm quantifying? Makes you feel makes you feel weird, makes you feel something, you know.

SPEAKER_02 30:47

Yes, connection with an artist or with their expression of interpreting life.

SPEAKER_03 30:53

So that might be different for different people. That's what I'm saying. What Drake does for me, he might not do for you for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's another realization I came to. It's all subjective. So then who's doing things like people? Yeah, there's so there's a psychedelic nature where the subjective meets the objective, and then greatness somehow leaks into that. You know what I mean? I think Drake is so good that he can do that for a broad number of people, which is what gives him status metaphysically. And then we give him status physically because maybe other reasons, you know, but why does it work? It's because like, yeah, he can help people transcend. You know what I'm saying? There's a lot of artists doing that at a high level for a lot of people. Help people transcend, that's hard. That's it. But yeah, bar none, like the only argument against Drake is like the Kendrick argument, which is like that dude is corny and not really like that. Plus, the music is West Coast or app is different than what he makes. So some people just might not like that sound. It's like I like bars, I like do do do do do do do do do do do. Give me who's who's the realist in the room that can articulate that in the best way.

SPEAKER_02 31:57

Because even if you cannot maybe different mediums of like artistic expression, different like styles of paint. Yeah. Or sculpting versus photography. For sure. Different expressions.

SPEAKER_03 32:11

And then those people who like that music will say, that music isn't good. This is better hip-hop. What are we talking about? Hip hop? What are we competing for? A Super Bowl. It's like, well then the champion would be the person that's more hip-hop. It's like But then there's a another thing going on where it's like the people that like that versus the people that like Drake. What's the difference between those kinds of people? It does feel like there's like a clash of that energy that makes this argument valid, you know? They are like the two best for two different reasons. Which one is better?

unknown 32:47

Doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_03 32:48

No, it doesn't matter. Not at all. Doesn't matter. Who gives a fuck? Okay, who gives a fuck? Cool. But then yeah, but then it comes to then the last part of the equation is is Drake. You know. The A minor claims. I don't know everything.

SPEAKER_02 33:07

I don't know everything. So you never know anything, you know?

SPEAKER_03 33:13

His whole energy on Iceman is like, yeah, they're loud, they're weird as fuck. And I lost a lot of friends because they just made up lies about me. And that sucked. And it made me cold. I'm the Iceman. Please. That is kind of lame. That is kind of corny. I get it for sure. You don't want to. Fair enough.

SPEAKER_02 33:33

Fair enough.

SPEAKER_03 33:34

That's a fair knock. I get it. But some of the stuff he's just, it's just a medium and access for this guy to make music and that music slaps, bro. For real. He's dropping 30 songs, you know, 30 plus, whatever. Three albums worth. Oh man.

unknown 33:51

Iceman code.

SPEAKER_03 33:53

That's what I'm saying. It's not not every song is like that song for me. But the way that he releases albums, there's always a couple of that songs for me. Whisper My Name goes hard, dude. It's not even lyrically. Like, make them pay is better. But Whisper Under My Name goes hard. I'll go hard to that song. It's not even that good. It's not even that catchy. I don't know what it is. But I'll be going crazy to that song. Yeah. Don't on the workout play list. I was just rumbling at work, being very competent. High-pace, high-level, John Wicken. Well my neighbor don't say it too loud. That was the freaking montage music for sure. It's played in my head all night. Anyways, that's Drake Talk. Listen to the album Iceman's Great. Drizzle. But also, then it's just like, how much of this, how much of a taste for Coke do I want? Pause. Coca-Cola. Forest Frank is very clearly more like Gatorade for your spirit.

SPEAKER_02 34:53

Mm-hmm. Yeah, I guess it's kind of like a theme we've we've been talking about recently as far as like the clash between what is like considered the secular world or culture in general.

SPEAKER_03 35:05

It's like what do they where do they blend? What do they blend? Or like maybe that's the new palette. It's like blending that tastefully is the art we can be making, you know. I was rapping yesterday in the car, and yeah, I did it perfectly. Like this hard four, and then finished it with like I think I was saying my dog, and at the end I was like, my something about give something about my God, give me the give me the words to figure out how to express this thing. And I spent the four bars like saying this, and I don't really know how to say this. My God, please give me the words to something something. This shit was going crazy. I was like, that was it. That was like the forest Frank Drake Tabo, you know what I'm saying? So life, life, life, life. And then clearly I like asked God for help because I don't know how to do this, this, this, this. Then, but then I'm going crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy. I don't know, whatever. You know what I'm saying? You can write that music too. There's a lane for that. We're doing that with the podcast too.

unknown 35:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:55

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:59

Those are the Drake thoughts. Driz. I haven't heard it. I've only heard you know, I've only heard some of the snippets for sure. And then whenever you show me a couple of the songs, too. I don't know. I still have I haven't heard listen to Joe Rogan in a while either.

SPEAKER_03 36:21

It's different right now. Huh? So you're on some different that's that's that's like Wemby with the nuns, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 36:30

That's a different mode. Yeah, I know, it's weird. I still even want to have a desire to listen to it. Or just like because comparatively looked to like uh Big Sean's album, definitely listening to that. And I had like a different playlist, you know what I'm saying? Of those those songs in that category. But yeah, that's a I don't know, recently, relatively recently. It's just been enforced, right? And live free. But like, I don't know, it's the same way I don't really like want to drink coke anymore, yeah. Or like a soda, you know what I'm saying? I guess like with some I can stand on that a little bit. That's all I like wanna, you know. It's it's it's weird. It's been a little different. But then yeah, how much is like okay to blend? I don't know. I think there's legitimacy and truth and just people talking art, you know what I'm saying? Like how what should you watch? You're not watching Game of Thrones or like you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 37:34

No, Breaking Bad. No, there's something good about integrating these things. Yes. So I'm saying I'm not saying it's good straight from Christ, but I am saying that there's something good for your it's good to be able to integrate, like, yeah, like you watch Breaking Bad, like that's was that bad for your spirit? Right, you know what I'm saying? Like it's great art, yeah, yeah. It's data, it's data, it's all just data and you're a little older. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Like Drake's takeaways aren't good takeaways. Forrest Frank's takeaways are great takeaways, but the art, the art itself, like the data that I'm collecting while I'm listening to this, or just even processing your own emotions through someone else's medium, you know what I mean? Like sometimes you can be upset and you want to get to forgiveness, and but then like to be able to work through and process upset into forgiveness is like a process, then like using art as a transformative tool to help the process of like uh like processing emotions is I think that's part of what being a human is, you know. Like, how do you process anything? And then sometimes it's like through internal, like you, but then like how do you learn how to think in a way that you can process something that had to come from some kind of like influence, and then influence happens usually through like wisdom past or like through art experienced. Otherwise, like how are you gonna be influenced to do anything? But regardless, that's the so listening to Drake and then going through the stuff that he's saying and let it connect with myself and then come out the other side and be like, Yeah, no, I still like Forrest Frank better, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 39:16

I don't want to be I don't know if I want to be like that in a long run. I don't know. I should follow your heart. Follow your heart.

SPEAKER_03 39:39

Sometimes you're witnessing greatness. Sometimes you're witnessing greatness. That's that's all I'm saying. Iceman is great, bro. Yeah, there you go. Artists, Michael Jackson, yeah, dude. The very top. Everyone would agree he was like crazy for the culture, dude. What best I ever had did to me, what over does for me, and what a what champagne poetry does to me, so different. So different. So if you're like, yeah, no, Drake is like blah blah blah, I'm like, yo, well, I don't even know if you digest albums, but digesting that album, it's greatness. It's greatness for sure. Let's go. Same thing with Wimbanyama. How do you not? I'm like, this is greatness happening all around me. It's crazy. How do you not? Greatness. It's greatness. That's a lot of cultural, culturally relevant stuff. What do you been up to, bro? Things have been happening, bro. Going game one type shit. It's crazy. Can't talk.

SPEAKER_02 40:31

Just been working on a weekend. Summertime is here. It's gonna be hot. Went to Six Flags, Water Park, chilling yesterday, and yeah, dude, summertime, new rotation, new scheduling. Don't have to worry about the drive to, pick up from aspect of the school, nature of the beast. So I was like, ah man, it was kind of nice to have something to yeah, like make you get up a little earlier sometimes.

SPEAKER_00 41:02

Yeah. But yeah, sometime chilling. It's gonna be dope.

SPEAKER_02 41:10

And then this this finals is gonna be over here in a couple weeks, and then we're chillin' to a football.

SPEAKER_03 41:14

Dude, I know. That's a whole uh That's a gap.

SPEAKER_02 41:17

That's a gap in the story.

SPEAKER_03 41:19

I like it when I was gonna do it.

SPEAKER_02 41:20

I was thinking about it because I was like, whenever I'm in the NFL season, I've just like come into a more of a witness of I'm like super aware of life. Like during that time, especially this last year, it's like I'm just I'm not even trying to like get the pics right necessarily. I'm just adding more attention to what I'm seeing and putting more emphasis on things. And because I don't know if wearing this shirt or not is gonna change the outcome of this game, or or even if even if pick picking this game is gonna have a change of the outcome of this game, what's going on here? But I'm just gonna try to follow something outside of myself to look that to decide for me. And whatever the outcome is, the outcome is. As long as I'm like dying on the right hill, yeah, I'm okay with that.

SPEAKER_03 42:04

Yeah, you know, yeah, it gets hard to discern even at that point, because it's like just because I saw the thing, does that mean do it or don't do it is based on my personacity for the situation in which I saw it. Those feelings can be hard to navigate.

SPEAKER_04 42:21

How much significance should I give to this?

SPEAKER_03 42:23

Yeah, yeah. And is it positive or negatively aligned? Like, maybe I saw them and I'm supposed to not pick them because of the thing I saw, you know? Yeah, maybe I was thinking about them when someone spilled something or something like that.

SPEAKER_02 42:33

Right, right, right. Like, oh, stay away from that. Yeah, should I stay away from that?

SPEAKER_03 42:38

There's this one time this lady was just her energy was so poignant, and I was just like, Who are you rooting for this weekend? She's like, The Steelers, and I was like, picking the Steelers, bro. It's like a six-year-old grandma, and then the Steelers covered, and I was like, bruh, I knew her energy was fucking special. She was glowing.

SPEAKER_02 42:52

Who knows? Yeah, yeah, but I feel like we're gonna have that in football.

SPEAKER_00 42:59

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:02

We have right now with this purse, it's gonna be tight.

unknown 43:04

It's tight.

SPEAKER_02 43:06

Yeah, you're right. But then little gap until that other time. But it's gonna be it's just the uh it's bigger than football. The story, it's all story. And that was one of the nuggets I kind of took away from the conversation about the looking shirt with the wife, and I was like, she's like, yeah, you wearing the shirt's not gonna change like the outcome of your of like the story of the game. And I was like, because like because it doesn't involve you, like you're not involved in the game. Like the game is its own thing happening. And I was like, yeah, but my it is my story, so I do have some control of it because I'm the one watching it, and it's happening in my story, or I'm like the one who's viewing it and trying to see what it is, interplaying with it.

SPEAKER_03 43:49

She's right, it is objective, and your perception is subjective. You don't have any control over that.

SPEAKER_00 43:56

It's like, I don't I don't think so.

SPEAKER_03 44:00

You're playing with a psychedelic realm where those things meet. Like, yes.

SPEAKER_02 44:04

Because it is true that what's the story that's going to play out here?

SPEAKER_03 44:08

You pick that shirt and they won that game. That is true. There is correlation there. There is a you're like undeniably there's correlation there. And there's no telling. There's no telling which one drew which one to which. That's inconcludable.

SPEAKER_02 44:20

But what is concludable is that there might be forks in the road where you have this shirt, but you don't have it in the car, and you gotta go go back inside to get it. It's like, do you go back inside to get it? Or do you just like you know it's like no? I'm gonna go get it. Does that play anything into the anything of the effect of any story?

SPEAKER_03 44:40

You know what I'm saying? Yes, because it's like your confirmed data. Like in your data of yes, like for storyline, it's now foreshadowing.

SPEAKER_00 44:52

A deeper story.

SPEAKER_02 44:53

It's the deepest story, man. We're just little people.

SPEAKER_03 44:56

That's what I'm saying. Is okay, like they're not no, like, no. Um, but then there's the thing that's in the middle that's like not flat ground, it's psychedelic in nature where everything is everything, and it was all perfect. And then, like, we're we're thinking like in 2D, but like the 2D stops and the 3D starts where the subjective meets the objective, and then that does exist. Like that thing is real, it's palpable, it's great. This is what's happening. Like, yes, that's why everyone's drawn to it, and that's why it's amazing or phenomena. That's why you have that shirt. It's because, like, in this in this crazy realm we're living in right now, like, you can't tell me that it doesn't make a difference, you know what I mean? Like, I'm going to go get it, it's outside of me. How many Oklahoma City fans felt like that on game seven? Had to take that L. A lot, dude. That's when Alan Iverson's like, that's God. Because ultimately, I think it's like, your superhero isn't like we wanted him to lose. We wanted Shy to lose. What did he represent? Most of the people did, yeah. Most of the I'm sure objective viewers watching the game were ruined for Wimby. Sometimes the bad guys win, sometimes they do. But it didn't happen when in the case of Shy. So I think that that plays into the narrative somehow.

SPEAKER_02 46:07

That shot. Game one talk. Rewrote the story. I can't, I can't even.

SPEAKER_04 46:13

You fell in love with him at that shot, bro.

SPEAKER_02 46:15

For real. I was just like, oh, this is dope. This is beyond dope. This is the dopest dope. It was an H E B what has happened. Over time, jumping around.

SPEAKER_03 46:27

Yeah, I want to get downtown for Audacity.

SPEAKER_02 46:29

This man. The audacity.

SPEAKER_03 46:31

That's different, bro. That's different.

SPEAKER_02 46:33

And then to finish it. Oh my god. It's crazy, bro. It's a dope story. And then to finish it in seven. It's dope. And yeah, they're there. I've seen at least um Dylan Harper and when we talk about like it's not done. Like, we still have four more to go. Like, we know we know what's up, Dog.

SPEAKER_03 46:51

Four more wins forever.

SPEAKER_02 46:52

Job's not finished, bro.

SPEAKER_03 46:52

That's the first thing that came to my mind. Kobe energy, dog. Like, job's not finished. Don't pop a single fucking bottle in this building. Do not, I mean, you guys can go sell it, go have dinner or something, but damn. Not here, not yet. We're not there. We're not done. Such a fine line. I have to celebrate the win, but the job's not finished. Soak it in, though, because this is rare.

unknown 47:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 47:14

You're in a rare place.

SPEAKER_02 47:15

I was just soaking it in on my on my drive home last Saturday night after they won the game seven. Yeah. Just driving home.

SPEAKER_03 47:22

What are you listening to?

SPEAKER_02 47:23

I think I don't think I was listening to anything actually. I think I was just uh ever there was this the streets are packed, bro. Even just like getting home. It took me like 20 minutes. Where it only takes like five to listen. And just peep. Just enough to love it. People, yeah, I was like, just soak it in. Just soak it in right now. Like, this is dope. This is dope, dog. Just won the game seven in a crazy series.

SPEAKER_03 47:44

It's like we're watching the beginning of the 30 for 30. Yeah. Yeah, we gotta get to the parade, bro. If they win, we gotta we gotta go. So I'm I'm trying to beat it. I wanna go there. You know what I'm saying? I wanna I wanna I wanna say what's up.

SPEAKER_02 47:57

I'm here for this, bro. This is tight.

SPEAKER_03 47:59

I'm trying to be in the case.

SPEAKER_02 48:00

Especially because my wife is so for it, you know what I'm saying? It's so like the diehard fan since the beginning.

SPEAKER_03 48:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:05

You know? It's like that's that's tight.

SPEAKER_03 48:08

So I'm saying that this that's what's happening to my daughter. Is like the the childhood thing that like gravitates it into your thing. I'm like, oh no, it's gonna be a thing for you, especially if the next like 10 years this happens, you know.

SPEAKER_02 48:22

We don't know the end, we don't know the extent if this is truly what it could be. That's not in the dynasty, but I don't know. They might lose though. It could happen. By the way, even getting this far is dope for such a young team. Everyone counted about.

SPEAKER_03 48:36

Everyone counted about an amazing season. They're busting ass all season.

SPEAKER_02 48:41

Yeah. They're good, I'm glad. Look at defense, too. That's the other thing. They got some Carter Bryant, he honed it down. Awesome defense. He was holding down shy a little bit, or at least from what I saw in one of the games.

SPEAKER_03 48:55

Being a physical, just rookie spoiling Delph Harper's slasher. He's working on a mixtape right now.

SPEAKER_00 49:06

Yeah, dog is tight. Okay, a story.

SPEAKER_02 49:11

It's a Spurs, but it's so much bigger than the Spurs.

SPEAKER_00 49:14

It's just life itself.

SPEAKER_02 49:16

Yes. The narrative's playing out. Repeats for another five chip dynasty, potentially.

SPEAKER_03 49:25

Good lord. Starting with the Knicks. What do you want? Five and six years? Five and ten. Dude, that's a let's place that bet, bro.

SPEAKER_02 49:33

Is that what we just is that what we see here? Or five and thirteen, five and fourteen?

SPEAKER_03 49:38

No, dude. The one the window's shorter than that. I want to give them like three and six. Cause you think in six years they'll still be hooping like this? I don't know. I don't know. They need like three and five. If they go back to back, that would be like we'd be good. It'd be good for a couple of like, you know what I'm saying? We're at the top for a while. The first team to go back to back in a minute. They gotta get one first. They gotta get one done. Get it running, get it rolling.

SPEAKER_02 50:06

Yeah, it hasn't been a repeat champion in the last uh how many years. Like five or six, because what it was the Thunder last year, and then before that it was the Celtics, right? And before that it was the and the Lakers were in 2020. I think the the Bucks are in there somewhere, and the Nuggets. So we'll see who's this year.

SPEAKER_03 50:35

They just need everybody. They need everybody to come back and keep getting better. They could do it. They're young, they're young as hell. That's the thing about them is like when you play dynasty leagues, like youth matters. Like you take it into account. You have to, and all your measurables. And then the Spurs like number one in that for greatness per age. Yeah, they're in a position.

SPEAKER_02 50:57

It could be a rhyme. It's really cool. It's so tight though. But yeah, story's a story, and then what should we have to talk? Life in life and yeah, man.

SPEAKER_00 51:07

Just uh enjoying music.

SPEAKER_03 51:14

That's one thing for sure. Feeling like uh the impact that it can have as far as just like your mental state and where you're at, feeling more free, feeling more um in the pocket of myself, if that makes sense. And then I'll make it like better, faster, quicker, more nuanced responses and reactions to the stimuli that is life because I'm more in the pocket. And then uh it just feels good. And then just wondering, like, what is you, what is me? Is there like a is there a line between like who you want to be and who you are, or is who you are more like fueled by who you want to be, or is what you want to be actually what you want to be? Like dissect it like it used to you're like there is no me. What do you what is that you say? Like, I'm a ghost. You know what I'm saying? So that's another thing is like maybe what you define as me is just like an ago construct, and then what you are is more objective. That's the it's the objective versus subjective thing. Are you a subjective thing or are you an objective thing? And then if you are objective, is your subjective aligned with that objective? Because then your life could be psychedelic, and that's kind of like well, I just put it together right here, that those are those those thoughts were bleeding into each other, trying to think just understand, you know what I'm saying? I understand what's going on here. I'm not trying to think about myself too much, but this is where my introspections are trying to understand.

SPEAKER_02 52:45

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what we're here for. Yeah. We're just dissecting thinking.

SPEAKER_03 52:50

What is the you?

SPEAKER_02 52:52

Nothing that interacts with the chaos, or is interpreting story, experiencing story. And then is it objective story, or is it your story? How much control do you have of the story? You have some say for sure. You have some power.

SPEAKER_03 53:15

You're animated. Yeah, maybe narrative is like a snowball. It's like the more you don't move yourself around or self-contradict your own what you have going on, your narrative will snowball and become like more nuanced and more crazy the more time you've spent in a current narrative, but you could also like deconstruct and reconstruct narrative, like just move and get a new job or something like that. But then the narrative's ability to like light up your day and make things feel like uh serendipitous and synchronistic. Yeah, you need kind of like a snowball going for that to happen. Sometimes God just wipes the board and pushes everybody's boulders down at the bottom of the hill. It's like that's what that's what it's gonna feel like after the playoffs. It feels like we're gonna be like, okay, well, where do I align my what's happening while what's happening? What happened here? What happened here? Yeah.

unknown 54:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:08

There's that going on, and then I also learned about this thing. There's a podcast that had Chris Williamson and Tom Segura and Matt McCusker and Dr. Who's the fucking?

SPEAKER_02 54:20

Oh, uh uh Huberman? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:23

And uh it's really good. One thing they were talking about, man, I don't want to say like uh what it's called on our podcast. Oh no.

SPEAKER_02 54:33

Talk around it, walk around it. What are we talking about?

SPEAKER_03 54:39

We call it like stupid maxing. Okay. So that it's called like in front of free will maxing, looks maxing, free will maxing. Oh no, this is uh stupid maxing. Okay, I heard. And this is where you don't do any introspection, and you just wake up and you just like do do do do do do do non-stop. And then thinking about stuff too much is like not good for our culture. Chris Williamson's like, that's my brand. But Dana White is uh into this stupid maxing, and then there's this other popular podcast figure who's uh he has a podcast called uh I don't know, but the the guests that they get on that podcast are like crazy. Forget what it's called, but it's like they've had like uh like um Tesla, what's his name? Elon Elon Musk, like Mark Cuban, um I think they had Trump on there. It's like all beyond A tier people coming through. So then he's like, Yeah, I don't know. But then that that that makes sense to me too, you know what I'm saying? It's like on some level, on some level, maybe too much introspection is like uh a product of like some kind of trauma or something like that. Like our capacity to want to introspect comes from a place of things not being the way we want them to be, and then sometimes we need to like just be more in tune with life on a not bad things aren't always gonna happen level, so I don't need to be in so introspective and do so much mental jujitsu, just like go do my day, you know. I think there's they were talking about the pros and cons of that kind of philosophy.

SPEAKER_02 56:20

Okay, this is with Tom Segura.

SPEAKER_03 56:22

Yeah, how was it? It was good, the podcast, yeah. Yeah, for sure. I liked it a lot. Okay, word. Humberman was going off a lot, but I mean the cast was amazing. Scientifically, what was he trying to back the idea more of I guess how do you how do you not think?

SPEAKER_02 56:38

Or like you know what I'm saying? Like it's it's it's impossible to not be thinking though. But there is, I guess, a degree and extent of introspection. Like getting too into your thoughts, or that that's the idea, right? Is to go the opposite of that and to just try to be more, I guess not physical. Can't be like doing something all the time. I guess like accomplishing tasks, maybe I'm doing something physically. But you're always thinking to something. At least about that. At least about doing that and doing that, taking the thoughts it takes to do that. And even then within there, you're still there's still some of you in there, or still some thinking going on. The ability for it to pop up.

SPEAKER_03 57:23

Yeah, dude. I don't I think uh I think it's an integration of it.

SPEAKER_02 57:27

I think what they're saying So what were they saying about or what what did Huberman have any scientific pointings towards any particular No?

SPEAKER_03 57:35

I think they were just talking about it as like a philosophy, not like from a scientific perspective on that one. Okay, word. What were they saying? Where'd you align? I think it's a just a renaissance of there is a lot of introversion talk on the internet right now, and then like the the proper integration model is a lot of execute and then watching film after practice, but then practice is like practice, you know what I mean? So like you don't necessarily want to be like thinking about uh what you're gonna look like on film while you're executing, but you do want to keep in mind that you're doing your best because this is gonna be on film, and later I'm gonna watch this film, and I need to like do a good job right now.

SPEAKER_02 58:13

I need to remember my coaches, I need to like be able to remember the things we talked about, like yeah, and integrate them, and integrate them properly right here, and let that influence my behavior and expectations of reality. Yes, and let me dance with everybody, let me let me dance there.

SPEAKER_03 58:27

So I'm gonna have to do something different than I did last time, too. It's like how well do I that's a dance, you know what I mean? It's like what I know and what I am trying to be told to do, and then execute, perform, execute, perform, come up with better. But we do that shit, you know what I'm saying? I do I do that shit, you know. I've been doing that, so that's not like uh what's that a reference to? It's an idea for sure. Oh, as far as just being like introspective, yeah. So I think you know, that's why this stupid maxing has become a thing, is because we there it's just the party saying like integrate it properly, and then Chris Williamson doesn't ever be like, there's some times where you should turn this off. He's just very deep in being very deep, you know. So I think that that's what's happening in the public sphere or the thought sphere, where we talk about what's on the collective subconscious and we call it podcasting.

SPEAKER_02 59:26

Dude, I don't know. With a proper integration, there is, I guess, like the idea of balance, you know, pretty much in all things. So that makes sense that there would be a balance to that, and that would make. I guess I don't I'm I'm still trying to figure out you said Dana White is about this stupid maxing. Yeah. What's his interpretation? How does he what what is it exactly in his mind? It's like this introversion is or what does it make him do?

SPEAKER_03 59:50

The introversion is a result of you being emotionally um like compromised, like your emotional system is activated too much about what's happening. It's like you need to turn off those emotional regulators, and then you're keeping them on by being introspective. And so um, like your execution and your performance start your day and through what you have to do in these moments where you want to be your best self, it shouldn't be like motivated by the emotional reactors in your brain. And then what's happening is too much of that is happening, and it's like hurting you guys. Are I'm like watching you lose because of this. I don't really know if it's like bad for the culture or where he's coming from, but some other guy had brought it up, and then Dana White was like, Yeah, I agree with that guy. I feel like part of what I'm doing that I'm doing well is not being I'm not thinking about all this shit so much. I'm just like doing what I gotta do, and then you know, I don't know what do you do? You have a cigar at the end of the week and you think about it, go to the pool every other weekend, think about it. Like I at some point.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:50

Hmm. Hmm.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:53

Everybody's going at life differently, too. If you could just set up a program where I do this day and then everything goes perfectly, and it just comes down to doing this day, like sure, yeah. You could just execute all the time. Eventually you're gonna have to think about is this what I want to do? Is this what I'm doing? What am I doing? What's it doing to me? All these things, man. All these things, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:16

Yeah, but there's I think an aspect to it to where it's like there are there is a story happening to you as well, but you're also doing, you're experiencing and influencing the the story. Cause you can like lose the weight or break the addiction or break the chat or like change the story, you know what I'm saying? Like lose the weight or whatever. You can you can you can do it. Like there is like a real things be happening, you know, or like the the the narrative of the stories. There's the ability for you to touch the to influence it at least to some degree for sure. I guess we were talking a little bit about it being like an objective story happening to you. Or what was your point? Or what were we talking about before? Uh Huberman and them talking about Stupid Maxing.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:02

Stupid maxing. Because we'll be talking about our thoughts so much.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:06

You know what I'm saying? I think even if you're not I think I think the thing is I'm trying to connect to it is that you're always thinking, like that's always happening. And then there's like something like what is you that becomes introspective or like takes it to a different psychedelic place. If it's just when are you not thinking about what you're thinking about? Or you know what I'm saying? Like you can there's a a time for you whenever you're if working out is a part of your thing that you're doing, there are gonna be moments where you're like you're still there, even in the the stupid maxing of trying to take yourself out of it mentally when you're working out, it's like no, you're still there. You're just like keeping yourself trying to like what are you what are you doing there? Trying to keep yourself down from whatever extends outward and has an introspective perspective and angle, you know what I'm saying? You're just like keeping that down here, but then what is the you that's keeping that down here? Or like the the thing that's controlling how much you're letting yourself think about what you're thinking about. Maybe it's part of the ego as well to be able to separate and think about what we're thinking about because we're always thinking about something. You know, should be God. But your mind is always on. That's the thing I'm trying to point to as well. It's always on.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:36

So I'm not um not thinking when you're still, like the capacity to not be thinking about things, not have your mind racing. That's part of meditation. Yeah, I think maybe that's what Dana White would point to. Like being in the more in the flow state of just being still. Your mind is like things come to your awareness. You work out problems, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 1:04:02

Like, develop ways of thinking about things. Yeah, bruh.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:06

Bruh, I'm thinking about stuff and the stuff. Bro, those things I'm thinking about, like, boom.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:13

I'm just trying to capture and remember and bring it back to y'all. And that's when I'm like, My story's just happening. I'm just trying to tell it.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:18

Well, have you ever thought about stuff?

SPEAKER_04 1:04:21

Yeah, we're just people doing things thinking about stuff.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:24

So then when I'm like, when you were thinking about stuff and you were thinking about this kind of stuff, did you ever get to this thought right here? Like, me too. Like, I also got to that thought right there. And then I just realized this thing about that thought. Did you ever think about that? Like, personally, for me, I want to read books that people like Doran Peterson are like, Yeah, you ever thought about this, this, and this? Then you get to this thing. That's like Pinocchio. You're like, oh shit, that's crazy. Because I'm thinking about stuff. Like, ever since I was a kid, I'd be like, I gotta think about this later. This is a lot to process, if I'm being honest with everybody. Yeah, trying to understand stuff. It's a little much using your learning model. When are you supposed to stop using your learning model to understand stuff?

unknown 1:05:04

Right?

SPEAKER_03 1:05:04

As a kid, you're like, why does this car go? Did you not ask that question? What is truth? I feel like there's definitely an explorative nature to kids where Demi's like trying to learn stuff, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:16

Yes, that was a thing that had came to my mind whenever we were talking about something in the very beginning of the pod. It's just the uh the exploratory nature, not necessarily because it's so awful, but because like I guess that it's maybe intrinsically within us to just go into the unknown, like in an in as a as an infant would, you know what I'm saying? Or as a child just wants to go outside or go to the park or whatever, just wants to go. Yeah, has the intention to go outside and knows that outside is like relatively this is this is home, you know what I'm saying? Like, let me venture away from my home. That's our temptation. Or that's the that's that that's part of the curse that we got here is being a human. Yeah. Why would you leave your home?

SPEAKER_03 1:05:57

It's your home. Stay in your home. When you're 30, you're like, I just want to get home.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:03

I just want to go home.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:06

But we chose to leave. We chose to leave home.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:09

It's this poll. It's this call, it's called to adventure, or at least like the call to adventure.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:15

Yeah, that's it for sure. And yeah, she's like, I want to go out there. And every time I'm going out there, I'm taking what's not home and turning it from super not home to like explored territory, known territory, familiar territory. Yes. Not quite home, but like pretty close to it. Yes. Just outside the home. Okay, let me go a little bit further out and see what's going on. Okay, I'm just gonna keep on mapping out what's going on here. Yes. Is it safe to go out here? Maybe we should never go outside. It's a whole thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:45

It is the wealthy. Bad things can happen here for sure. Do they happen? Yeah. We're taking precautions. Do bad things happen often? Not usually. We're supposed to be able to enjoy this. Supposed to integrate with chaos. That's yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:01

Allow people to establish a home that is mutually beneficial to everybody else. It's like we're trying to hopefully influence that, navigate that, navigate those waters. It's feeling good, chilling. The love of God. Grace and mercy. There's food, safety, showers, we chose to turn it away. Everything you need to restore. Maybe because it's maybe it's good. Because maybe it's not good to keep the the kid inside all day. Are you gonna say so never let it explore the outside world? You know what I'm saying? Yes. What are we talking about here? How eatable do we want to? How eatable do you want to get?

SPEAKER_03 1:07:42

Yes. Yes. That's a Muslim. Yes. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:53

Being a none is better for some.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:56

A lot can be too much. Mm-hmm. So I think the same thing kind of with like the Christian secular talk is like we have this nature to like venture out into unknown territory and learn things and then like what come back to Christ and freak beg for forgiveness. It's like Christian motif. Like that we can't be, we can't be Christ. We can't be without sin. It's like, why? You know? Maybe possibly because there's some kind of this integration between home and exploring territory. Like, why did we why did Eve eat the apple and not just be happy in the garden? You know what I mean? It feels like a similar symbolism there.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:40

Yeah, why would she choose to eat the apple unless she subconsciously or was made to believe that doing so was better than not doing so?

SPEAKER_03 1:08:48

Or for the human's I'm gonna turn that sound off. For the human's capacity to like dance in between what is right and wrong to find what is greater good, and that greater good is Christ-like energy.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:03

The greatest good.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:04

This word on bananas.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:06

And he's the greatest good. Yeah, man. Just following Christ. And how much it integrates. And we're always trying to establish a home. Because whatever the home does not, it's like, yeah, it's like the wildy is the wilde. And then your home is like the bank. It's like you're not gonna not nothing bad's gonna happen to you in the bank. You know what I'm saying? Like you're not gonna die in the bank of this video game of RuneScape. But then if you go out into the wildy, it's like PvP and you could die out there. Or I guess you could always die to like monsters, but other people can kill you out here. You know what I'm saying? So like there's something that happens there. We want people to establish homes and then have a state system that helps facilitate that to whatever extent it possibly can in a positive direction.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:57

All I wanted to do was go to the worldly as a kid. You're doing everything you're doing so that you can go to the worldly. It's the same way when like kids want to go to like the party. You know what I mean? Like they want to go to where the chaos is, like a true, like uh, where is it happening? You know? Like I feel like the same way kind of with you going to game one. You're like, I want to go to like the the Thunderdome. Like, where is what's happening happening as it's happening? It's unknown.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:27

Watching it in live acting to Shakespeare. To have been a San Antonio fan watching game one in OKC where he hits that shot. To be there in game seven, that's just like what a game to go to. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, what a game to go to. Either way, you're a part of it, just go into a game, but still, it's like those ones are like, that's art. That's crazy. Even the dunk, whatever they lost in game two, the dunk from Castle was like, oh my god. Dear Lord.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:00

Oh, forget that. I'll remember where I was. Yeah, dude. I remember that day and that week perfectly. That's when I kind of learned who he was. I was like, oh, oh, so you're not taking anybody's anybody's stuff. You'll dunk on anybody, huh? That's kind of nuts. No, just go for it. Does your favorite basketball player dunk on anybody at any time? Like only 10 of those guys out there.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:23

Yeah, he's crazy. He's awesome. Oh, that's so fun to watch. It's a thing. Where's the action at? Where's the this is the thing that we're all agreeing is a culturally, culturally relevant thing, so much so to where people, hundreds and thousands of people will wait around dozens of academies. And I guess these academies had, or maybe not dozens, however many there's in San Antonio, I guess. But they all had staff, and yeah, like I asked, I was like, so at least like had y'all like on standby, or like she's like, Yeah, I guess we we could we kind of volunteered, and then um geez. I was like, well, what if they like lost though? That would have sucked.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:00

Pretty much.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:01

So back for Oklahoma, right? That's what I was saying too. Because I was like, that means there's a whole bunch of Oklahoma City who has their covers finals championships, and where are they going? Where are they going? I think they're going to Africa or something like that, right? That was a a common, a common thought process.

unknown 1:12:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:20

I've seen, but yeah, they're they were there, they're already. So what are we all agreeing to? That's like, I'm gonna go wait in line for a shirt. It's kind of crazy, man. It's literally 2 a.m. out here, Doug.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:32

I'll give you some shirts. I don't know. It's a thing. It's a mob, too. It's the mob, it's a mob though. No, like the mob, like uh like mob thinking. Like it's so much bigger than us now that like I almost went and got a shirt too. I'm like, well, I'm part of the mob. Facebook.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:54

It's Facebook.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:56

Like it's bigger than us. It's the whole city is on it, which makes the whole city want to be on it, which makes us want to be on it, you know. Like the feedback loop is insane. How can you say no? It's like, and then you're like in the moment, you know, like the whole everywhere in San Antonio, the whole room was watching like the last two minutes of that game when they were like up eight. It's like, you know, every basket was like and then we get a turnover, like going crazy, like everybody, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 1:13:25

Yeah, everybody, dog, going nuts, bro. Harper hitting a step back three, Lou Corner with the chase down block.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:37

Reggie did eight and twenty seconds. Anything was left for grabs, bro. Anything could have happened in those last two minutes. They held it down, bro. Like two or three stops.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:50

They got some defense, they got some killers, they got some dogs. It's so cool. So that's cool. I like this guy. San Antonio's popping. I heard they want to build another.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:01

Entertainment nightlife district coming to San Antonio. Entertainment nightlife district. I don't know. They want to build some stuff. San Antonio wants to blow up one time. Prime for it. Come on, baby. It's primed for it. Come on, baby. We want a fun little run. And it's really primed for it. There's some cool stuff to do here, some cool places to go, some cool people here. Life's life. Life's life, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:28

We out here. Just trying to do what we gotta do. Just trying to follow Jesus at it. That's ultimately what we're trying to do. It's just trying tough to figure out how to integrate that. But we gotta try to gotta make way to integrate that. Same way we make mental way to do anything. It's not that hard. They can be simple. They can be simple. Just going for a walk, or like the idea of working out, like being stepping towards trying to take care of yourself at that level or with that intention.

unknown 1:15:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:03

It's like, well, at least it's gonna go for a walk. It's like a step in the positive direction. At least I'm gonna look at this verse or like a verse a day or whatever. Or verse every couple days.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:14

Just download the app. Whatever. Anytime I go on YouTube, I'm trying to watch some kind of Bible study before I watch like YouTube. It's like a easy, integratable thing. It's like I open YouTube, and I'm like, oh hold on, let me like. Scripture right here, like something over here. So watch that for like 10-15 minutes and then do whatever I'm gonna do. It's like it feels the exact same thing as like, let me just like do abs before I leave. Yeah, yeah. You know, I'm gonna go on a walk real quick.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:41

A little bit of calves real quick, some little bit of abs, a little extra. Let me do something. I'm gonna express my will here. I'm gonna do something. I'm gonna make a choice. You make choices and things change. That's all I'm saying. It's all I'm saying. There's only one choice that really even matters, anyway. That's a cheat code.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:01

That's all I'm saying. I hear an instrumental behind you. Yeah, dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:09

Things change, bro. Oh man. I guess I was probably gonna sign off. I'm probably gonna head over and get some cheese from Costco's before I head back to the cribos. And then you're picking up a little baby down. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're gonna go. Kidget. The exploratory nature of the child. Yeah, it's real, bro. You want to venture outside of home, and maybe it's good too. Maybe it's better than not, you know? Maybe it is. Integratable. Oh yeah, navigate that with truth and love. And strength and courage.

unknown 1:16:41

It's a lot. It's a lot.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:44

But it's worth it. It's better than not. Yes. Yeah, that's a whole brand. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:55

That's pretty much it. That's pretty much it. Any words?

SPEAKER_03 1:16:59

No, man. Just keep cooking. Just keep cooking. Whatever you're doing. Keep cooking. Keep cooking. Things change. Things change. Let us simmer. Things change. See you. Shout out to you.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:13

Shout out to Spurs. San Antonio blowing up. We love it. We're here for it. Trying to get in it. I'm here for it. Been here for a minute. I've been here for a while. Living in San Antonio. Being part of San Antonio. But stories change. Things change.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:32

People change. Christ. Except for Christ.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:40

Oh, yeah. We love you. We'll see you in a million years. Rolling through the city to the light show. Really ain't no telling where we might go. I just thought this would come in my