The Wilderness : Part 3 - Before the Gates Close

Part three of The Wilderness.

After navigating the challenges of Land's End, Rob, Faye and Hewy are forced to change their plans and head for Padstow. With narrowing options, shallow waters and a harbour gate that waits for no one, the journey becomes a race against time and tide.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:37

It was at that stage where I just thought, right, what am I gonna do? What am I gonna do about this? I'm not gonna sit here and I'm not gonna be crying on my own boat and and and just being like lost. And like I say, there weren't really many options, but there was one option, which was a place called Padstow. And Padstow is a one of the most tidal places in the UK, and uh it sits at the kind of end of the river camel. The river camel. Did you know there's a river camel in the UK, Steve? I was surprised.

SPEAKER_01 1:12

I've had the privilege of being to Padstow a couple of times, so I had a very I had a vague awareness of it. But of course, I was stood on land eating um that famous chef's fish and chips, whose name I can't remember. Rick Stein's fish and chips, and then sat in the harbour uh having a restaurant meal with my wife looking out and over that little harbour and then the beach, um, and then up to St. I said St. Ives.

SPEAKER_00 1:35

Um but um so you you just say again, you said Pad Store was an option, but it has yeah, it was an option, but um the reason I I dismissed it and we were gonna go for Milford Haven is it's a notoriously technically tricky, tricky um entrance. You can only get in there two hours either side of high water because it completely dries out. So if you get it wrong, which many boats have, you can end up I was gonna say in in the SHIT, but you end up in the sand.

SPEAKER_01 2:12

Yeah, we we have uh I think these podcasts, every time I save them, I click expletive, uh not the kids. So we we can be as loose as we want to be, Rob.

SPEAKER_00 2:21

Um okay. Oh, you're gonna regret saying that.

SPEAKER_01 2:23

You were in the ship, mate. Come on, that's yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:26

We were. I mean, we're we were in this bloody gorgeous turquoise shit, if I'm honest with you. Um and I dismissed it because I just didn't feel competent enough to navigate that estuary and get into and because as well, uh when you go where I say you can get in two hours either side of high water, there's a tidal gate at in this little tiny harbour, and they they physically close it, so you can't get in because if they didn't close it, all the water would come out of the harbour, and all the boats wouldn't in the harbour would ground. That's how that's how tidal we're talking, right?

SPEAKER_01 2:56

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:57

Yeah, so you've got a very narrow window to get in there. You've got a very, very tricky technical um shifting sandbars. One of the one of the bars is called the Doom Bar. There's a famous beer named after it. I know you probably had a Doom bar in the time. Yeah, yeah. Well, it's named after that sandbar, right?

SPEAKER_01 3:13

Oh, I didn't know that, right?

SPEAKER_00 3:15

Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. And and it's it's a big old sandbar, and they shift, right? And you know, they try and keep the channel up to date, but it's it it's technical for me. It was technical. All the locals would say it's fine, but first time, newbie, you know, this stuff we've been through. I was like, I'll give that a miss. But at this point, where I'm pulling myself together in the cockpit of the boat, getting my kind of electronic charts out, and I'm thinking, is it possible to get to padstone? And this was quite a technical, tricky, you know. I've got tide tables out with tide times and heights, and I'm working out, I'm interpolating and I'm extrapolating tidal graphs and stuff like that, and I'm looking at the distance that we've got to go and what the average speed would need to be to get there. Could we do it on the angle of sail that the wind was presenting to us? And um long story short, I was like, we could possibly do this. It's possible. It's possible, but it's not a no, but it's not a yes.

SPEAKER_01 4:18

Yeah, you hadn't ruled it out, but it wasn't certainly wasn't guaranteed.

SPEAKER_00 4:22

No, no. Um, but I said to Faye, look, I'm really sorry about this. And she was like, Well, you're apologizing for him, but I still took full responsibility for it, even though I had no control over it. Yeah, um and I said, We're going to pad store. And Faye was relieved, and but I outlined to her what it meant, just so she was clear, you know. Like I didn't want her to go, wow, it's really shallow around here, what's all this, you know? And she needed to know what what what what was ahead of us. And then I plotted a chart, uh, plotted a course, and uh the dinghy racing came in really, really well there, Steve, because the thing is when you change direction in a sailboat, it slows you down. So you want to keep your changing changes of directions down to a minimum, right? To get to get to A to B as quickly as possible. So I honestly we got there in three tacks, which was just like just incredible when you looked at the passage we needed to do. Attack is a movement through the wind where the sails change and stuff like that, right?

SPEAKER_01 5:24

Right. So you only made three movement changes, which is which was quite incredible.

SPEAKER_00 5:29

Considering what the tide was doing, considering what the wind was doing, it was amazing because I was leaving it till really late. We were getting quite close to inshore, and then we were attacked offshore again, and then movement.

SPEAKER_01 5:39

But so you know, you're right, so right right now, Rob, this is a race against time now.

SPEAKER_00 5:44

Yes, it literally is a race against time, whether I liked it or not. You say when someone could say, well, it's not a race, it is a race.

SPEAKER_01 5:51

It is a race because I've paradoxically, you've had eight weeks taking your time very intimately across the south coast and really enjoying paying attention and stopping off. Now all of a sudden you've rounded land's end and you're wind against with the potential of an overnighter, um, while emotional and feeling guilty and disturbed, and you have pressure on now to get there in time.

SPEAKER_00 6:20

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:21

Jesus.

SPEAKER_00 6:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:25

Talk about a shifting gear of emotions. You're on the boat crying with your tears getting a hug, and then you're open and awake and looking at charts and then going right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:37

That was a difficult, that was a difficult technical situation to be in, and I'm I'm glad we trained for that, you know, and because otherwise we wouldn't have been able to do it, that's for certain. Yeah, but um, you know, there's um it was during that passage where I started to understand more about the relationship between sailors and their boats. Um the boat was, you know, I here I am floundering, and well, the boat was in its element or in her element.

SPEAKER_01 7:01

Right.

SPEAKER_00 7:03

I the message I got from the boat was don't worry, I've got this.

SPEAKER_01 7:07

We can do this, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:09

Yeah, the boat was firing through the water, Steve, and close to the hull to close to its maximum speed. Just I mean, we were literally taking off and slamming through the water, you know, and each time the boat was just like groaning. This was not in like a in a in a stupidly stupid way that could damage the boat. This is what the boat was designed to do.

SPEAKER_01 7:32

It was built, it's doing what it's built for, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:34

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's cap and what I know now is she's she's capable of way more than that, right? What I know now, right? But the boat was just doing what she needed to do to get us there, and then I could see that the entrance to to Patstone, and it was a relief, but I was also shitting myself because because we'd arrived there with not a lot of time, right? Um and the tide was coming out of the River Camel, which meant that when we were gone, when we made our passage down the harbour toward down the estuary towards um, you know, through the channel down towards the padstow harbour, the tide was coming against us, so it was slowing us down. And what happens is that through the states of the tide, once you went towards you getting to high water, the tide speeds up and then it slows down and then it goes the other way. Yeah, and it does that in in a predictable way, actually. So I knew that even though I've got two knots of tide against me, so if I'm doing five knots in my boat, I'm now doing three because there's two knots of tide against me, right? I know that it's only going to get worse here, it's only going to get stronger. This um this uh this tide, and when it gets strong, it's getting lower and lower and lower and lower as the cycles go by, right?

SPEAKER_01 8:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 8:56

Um, and and um before I entered the uh harbour, I radioed the harbour, and uh I said uh padstore, padstore. This is reach out, reach out. Um just looking for uh a bit of an indication as to whether or not you if you can get in there. Reach out, reach out. This is padstore, padstore, go, you can get in. Music to my ears, Steve. Oh right.

SPEAKER_01 9:21

So he didn't say no, you need to turn around.

SPEAKER_00 9:24

No, he says you can do it. So we're navigating down, we're getting the bolts set up, we've got to get fenders down, we've got to get the lines ready, you know, and I'm I'm like glued, laser focused on all these boys that are telling me where to go and where not to go, most importantly. The tide's getting stronger, I'm having to put more revs on the engine, the engine, which I didn't like doing because if it died now, oh my god. Um, but it didn't, and um, I'm making my way down. I mean, Jesus, Steve, at times there was like 50 centimetres under the keel, um, which is not a lot of margin for error.

SPEAKER_01 10:01

So you get an indication on dial somewhere about depth. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00 10:05

Yes, yes, very important, yeah. Um, and then and then I hear on the radio, reach out, reach out. This is Padstow, Padstow over. And it's like Steve, do you know when when you listen, you listen to the radio all day, right, on a boat, and you hear all this chatter going on, and and it's always like someone talking to someone else. But every now and then your name appears and you go, Oh, someone's talking to me, right? It's a bit like when a policeman appears and you've done nothing wrong, but you automatically go, Oh god, like what am I doing? Like, yeah, but it's weird, isn't it? It's like that with the radio as well. And I'm like, yeah, padstore, pad store, this is reach out, reach out, over, go ahead over. And he's and he says, Reach out, padstore, you need to get a move on, you've got 10 minutes. And I'm looking at it and I'm thinking, 10 minutes? I need like 14 minutes. And what he was telling me was, in 10 minutes, I'm closing these gates, whether you're coming or not. And I've got no choice about that because all the other boats that are.

SPEAKER_01 11:03

I mean, what what happens if you're 60 seconds late? What happens? The gates are shut.

SPEAKER_00 11:08

The gates are shut. There was a fallback plan, and it would have meant there's a little patch of water outside the harbour where they've maintained the depth, where the RNLI have got a floating boy, which they attach the lifeboat to. Right. And and uh you would have we would have spent the night on that, basically. Um, which would meant like we would surrounded by almost quicksand stuff, right? Um, and you wouldn't be able to get in the harbour because um you know they've shut the gates. So, I mean, look, it was there was a fallback plan, but in my mind, it ain't happening. 10 minutes, 10 minutes, 10 minutes. So Steve, by this point, right, we've been on the go for 18 hours. Right? From uh just first light, and now it's tea tide. Yeah, I don't know, it must must have been like 15 hours, something like that, but still a long shift, right? And it's hot, it's sunny, it's salty, it's windy, it's yeah, tired, mentally tired, yeah, emotionally tired, really, really done in. And I thought, I am getting over this tidal gate, I don't care. I'm getting across that. We are getting across that. And the more I put the revs on, the slower we're going because the river camel is just deluging against us, and again the harbour master comes on again. Reach out, I'm telling you, you've got not got long here. And I'm like, look, you'd be able to see the mast now, and there, so there's a there's what we call a sill, C-I-L-L. I don't know if you've heard of a tidal sill. So that is like the bottom of the tidal gate to keep the water in, and then the gates coming over the top of it. But that's the thing you'd hit if the water, if there wasn't enough water to get over it, you'd hit this tidal sill metal, basically. And our keel's made of lead, so there'd have been a significant contact if we'd if we'd hit it. And I was like, I'm going for it. And and uh and the harbour master actually said, What's your draft again? With the draft is how far does your keel go underwater? And I said, two metres. He went, Oh, two metres. I thought it was 1.8. And I'm like, No. So he his calculations are off by and I thought I'm going and I'm getting in there, and we sailed over that sail with 10 centimetres under 10 centimetres.

SPEAKER_01 13:23

All that you know you must have been holding your breath.

SPEAKER_00 13:29

I was I was waiting for a uh and then the doors the door the doors shut behind you. They were literally closed as soon as we got through.

SPEAKER_01 13:42

Yeah. You were the last boat.

SPEAKER_00 13:44

You were the last ones in limping in.

SPEAKER_01 13:46

Wow. So just to my just describe now that you've just got past that sill, the doors are shut, what's happening?

SPEAKER_00 13:59

Well, we'd like I said, we'd we'd been listening to the sea all day um and the wind and the boat slamming through. Um and there was just this silence, Steve. But like in terms of the sea, I couldn't hear the sea anymore, I couldn't hear the wind anymore. And it was replaced with a summer uh summer's day where people were eating ice creams and fish and chips, and and there was just a chatter of families interacting with each other and having clearly having a good time, you know, and uh and and and I remember looking at Faye and thinking, what a what a juxtaposition, like what a you know, going through this gate, and then it was like someone flicking a switch, and it was just like, wow, what a beautiful day, and no one knows here at all what we've just been through, or cares really. Um but then we had to get the boat tied up, and it was to a tidal wall, like a wall, and the harbour master was down, and he was shouting. And I was like, Oh my god, and you know, so you didn't really have time to um to no to no to relax. No, but then like I mean, there was all these people blocking where we needed to tie the lines to and stuff, and then I saw Faye, which Faye's a quite a you know reserved lady. Um, she doesn't shout much and and stuff, which I'm thankful for. Uh, but when she does shout, take notice, right? Yeah, or she or she's teaching taekwondo. Um and she she shouted up at this wall, like right up to someone, excuse me, can someone please catch this line? Because she physically couldn't um couldn't catch on to it at that point. And then this this man appeared in the in a pink shirt and it was called Stu, and he was from the boat in front of us, and he was like, Hi guys, nice to meet you, and tied us up and stuff. And uh the harbour master's officers over there, and um, you know, gave us some orientation and and stuff, and yeah, immediately like set us at ease. Um, and then invited us over for drinks later on. And I still know Stu now, I call him Padstore Stu, you know. And he was an experienced boat owner and was able to just uh listen to our story of going around land's end. And the first thing he said to us was, Wow, guys, you've just done an amazing journey there. Well done for your first season. That is just superb work. Yeah, wow, and it was the first time I'd getting any real feedback from a proper sailor, Steve, right?

SPEAKER_01 16:28

Well, and you the win in the end got acknowledged.

SPEAKER_00 16:32

Yeah, yeah, it did. But but but um, I mean, we went for showers, and then I said, I mean, there's a pub within spitting distance. I says to Faye, I says, Look, you go and have your shower. Um, I'll see you in the pub, right? Um, yeah, and I've never been seasick, uh, which I'm touch would. Um, but I've had I got land sickness from the bounciness of that journey. I was stood in, I mean, I when I was in the shower, I closed my eyes and then he fell through the shower door. You're wobbling because I was just wobbling all over the place, right? And then when I was at the bar, I had to put two hands on the bar of this pub, and this barmaid came over and she says, What yeah? Sir, and I says, I'll have a pint of anything. That real ill there is just fine. Um, and and uh she and I'm I'm literally moving around and she's looking at me as if to say, Well, am I gonna serve him? I says, Look, I haven't had a drink yet. You can put me on a big night if you want. I've just been out to sea all day and I can't really stand up very well. And she just she thought it was hilarious, right? Uh, but I got my pint, Steve, and it was gone in three sips, and I got another.

SPEAKER_01 17:39

Oh man. Uh, I mean, it it's such a um I mean, just I I know I've got to heard the hints of this story before, but just listening to it live now, I notice even my own emotions, like my own feelings of just as a co-podcaster listening to you retelling this story, um uh from the calmness of the bear to the getting round land's end and then realizing that the white horses were going to cause real problems, and the emotion and doubt and worry, and then suddenly this getting into action and chasing and focus and the adrenaline that must have been needed to get through that uh harbour door. Um, and as the uh Huey, our four-legged friend, has rejoined us here.

SPEAKER_00 18:24

Um you remember that, don't you?

SPEAKER_01 18:26

Yeah, she's like uh she's turning up just at the moment that uh she see how she turned up just as the story gets to the harbour. Yep. Yeah, she sends the uh the Zen energy turning around. You're in the pub wobbling a bit with your pint. Um knackered. Yeah. I mean, it must have been complete exhaustion.

SPEAKER_00 18:47

Um it was, and as it turned out, um, we ended up staying in Padsdore for a week. So this place that we'd never intended on going to, we were stuck there for a week because the doors that I talked to you about failed and they couldn't open or close them properly. Um, so I went to the harbour master and said, Oh, we're gonna be leaving in the morning. He went, Hmm, I don't think so. I says, What do you mean? He says, Well, the doors need to be fixed, they've broken. And I was like, Well, how long's that gonna take? And he's like, Well, maybe a few days, maybe a week. And there's me saying, 'But we've got a plan, like we need to,' he's like, sorry, what would you want me to do? You can't get out. And it turned out to be one of the most beautiful weeks we had, you know. Like we we were laughing to each other and I saying, Oh, well, here we are, walking down this lovely country lane in Cornwall, surrounded by the flowers, on our way to a farm shop to buy some local produce. And oh well, we're stuck here for another six days. Oh, disaster. What a shame. Yeah, so we had a glorious week, and um, my mate Padstow Stew, we'd we'd work this little little scheme out between us that all the there's loads of pasty shops in Padstow, they're selling Cornish pasties, and they all claim to be award-winning, world-beating pasties. All of them are world champions, but some of them are pretty good, right? And at 10 to 4 in the afternoon, they put all the pasties that they've got remaining in the window, and they're a pound each. Now these go for a five at each during the day, Steve. Right. Uh, and we we would go in at uh 10 to 4 and we would get like pasties for like days, and you know, and get them for a pound. It was our little our little ritual. Then we go for a pint, obviously, you know, and it was nice.

SPEAKER_01 20:27

Ah, bad still, stew. Uh yeah, it just that's just what I'm talking about, the kindness of strangers, right? Um, yeah. Uh along the way. Um, if you if we pause now and just think about um, you know, back to our original orientation of a of an unplanned, lighter, more spirited life, and if we also think about uh the the framing of my podcast, our leadership voices, unquote, what does that mean for leadership? Um, when you look back on this story so far, coming out of Eastbourne with a failing engine, getting around Portland Bill pretty well, having thought it was going to be very, very challenging, but you took it on anyway and ended up being beautiful across that harbour, that bay for seven hours. And then the stillness of being in the bay before land's end, and then suddenly this 16 hours of terror, really, and emotion and adrenaline. Um what what have you what did you learn most, do you think, in those periods? Um, about yourself, about sailing, about leadership? Might be different answers to those questions. Um as you look back now here with me in this moment at 1021 UK, 1121 Malta, 26th of May. Yeah, what do you what comes to you about what you think you've learned?

SPEAKER_00 21:57

Well, I mean, uh because i I've got a I've got Almost separate between what I learned at that point versus what do I know now three years later. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:05

Yeah, a long, a long time has passed.

SPEAKER_00 22:06

Yeah. Yeah, at that point, at that point, Steve, um I learned that I spent an awful lot of time out of situations worrying about a time when I was gonna be in these situations. Right. Um and that uh when I found myself in those situations and I include Faye in in that as well, we were actually uh capable of way more than we'd we'd ever imagined, right? Um because you know, being in being in that situation and coming out of it smelling of roses, right? It was just I just didn't think it was possible. Like if I if I'd if before we'd set off on that day from Mully and Cove and coming round and coming round Land's End, if if if if I if someone could have told me what was going to happen, I'd I would never have left. I would never have left stave.

SPEAKER_01 23:08

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 23:09

But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But even though even though at the end of that experience, it was absolutely fantastic. And we had one of the highlights of our entire trip around the UK and met people that I stay in contact with to this day.

SPEAKER_01 23:26

Yeah, I mean, that's transformation, right? I mean, that's what we might call that transformation in some in some frame. And I I think you know the you know, the um my re-entry to this podcast was framed around a person close to me that's been very unwell, and I knew I couldn't fix them, couldn't save them. Um, and I I completely relate to the um the dance between spending a huge amount of time worrying about how what might happen and worrying about what might can I get there, will it work, can I will I cope? What what if, what if, what if? And then looking back now and realizing that for me and the people around the personnel and the personnel themselves are being capable of way more than they would have expected to be capable of. I said to my I said to my wife, it's uh it's it's quite interesting. How um did you really think we would be capable of experiencing what we've experienced? Um, and that's what you're saying, you know. And you are you were capable, you and Faye and Huey were capable of way more than you thought you could be capable of. So that's an interesting lesson for leadership and for life, and for actually, once you're in those situations, you will be capable of more than you believe you're capable of. Fear will trigger right a lot. But the energy that must be taken up in worrying about what hasn't happened yet. Um, I mean, that's certainly been a big shift for me. I mean, I don't think I was a huge worrier about uh things going wrong uh in my life, but I would certainly worry about making sure it was right and creating the right positive paths for people around me and making sure that their lives were good and you know, my eldest son look after them. You know, you must look after them. Um, I would spend a lot of time worrying about making sure it was right for them rather than worrying that it went wrong. You know, it must be right, you know, I think would be would there be a lot of energy going into it. Whereas now I do quite often find myself saying, uh, yeah, there's no point worrying about that. Not happened yet. There's nothing's happened yet. Why would I why would I worry about that? Um yeah, and that largely because even in the now, you need quite a lot of energy just for the now. Like if you use all of that energy to pay attention to here, you probably haven't got any energy to worry about anything else anyway.

SPEAKER_00 26:02

Um I was I I I was particularly bad sleep because yeah, I spent conscious hours worrying, but when I when I um I've always been a sleepwalker. And when I get when I get particularly kind of worried, concerned about anything, I sleepwalk more. And I was having I was having dreams where the boat was sinking, and you know, we well while we were sleeping and stuff, and I was starting to sleepwalk as well. Uh I remember, I mean, I mentioned uh Brixham. Brixham in the Brixham harbour, we were on like a floating pontoon. It's not there now, it got destroyed in a storm. But it's literally a pontoon where you know, if you want to get off your boat, you've got to get in a little dinghy and then and then and then paddle to shore. And I'm up at one o'clock in the morning on this floating pontoon in my dressing gown, fiddling about with our ropes. And Faye wakes up, where's Rob? Oh, he's outside, and I'm saying to Faye, You haven't tied these ropes up properly.

SPEAKER_01 26:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:51

And she so she gets off the boat and she's starting to tie the ropes up, and I'm like, No, you need to do that again. She takes it up and just puts it on again. I say, You still haven't done it right. And she says, she looks at me and she says, Are you asleep? And I say, I say, I think I am. And then she's just like, Why get back to bed, you dummy? You know, and that's just me, like, you know, having some kind of subconscious um dream about sinking, getting up, checking the lines, and then and then just you know.

SPEAKER_01 27:23

Yeah. So the the message is what then for all of us. The message is what between us, what's the message here? Um in relation to where to place your energy and attention and how to sit with worry and uh fear.

SPEAKER_00 27:40

Get out and get into it. Honestly, just get out and get into whatever that is, and you will be absolutely fine, and you will show yourself that you're fine as well. You're capable of way more, Steve. You said it before.

SPEAKER_01 27:55

Yeah. Yeah, I was um I was on a we're gonna pause now and take a break, I think. Um, and then we can discuss um how the next adventures come. Um, but uh interestingly, I was uh I don't search, I don't surf on social media much myself, but there are a couple of men's groups that I follow. Um and they're and they're dedicated to the spirits of men and dedicated to uh male, you know, reducing male suicide and and all of those things, um, which I think is an important topic. And uh one of these guys was posting something just to say it was a with a picture and some music, and he said, I'm struggling a bit right now, I'm facing the wall. If any of you that have found your way through that, what would you recommend? And there was lots of advice and lots of stories, lots of encouragement for this person. And I just responded and said, Look, uh I to your get on and get into it. I said, Look, what I learned about my own journey, my own spiritual journey was was the most helpful thing in the end is to actually build a relationship with your mind, not not ignore it, to actually to face it, accept it, work with it, right? It's a part of you, so work with it. You might need a bit of help to do that, of course, but uh work with it. Don't ignore it, don't try and run away from it, don't try and deny it, be interested in it, run towards it, right? You'll be kidd you, you'll be surprised what you're capable of. Yes, with maybe a little bit of support from people around you or a therapist or a coach or whatever, you know, a good friend. Um so I completely agree with you. It's uh uh fear and doubt will will maybe pull us away and want to hide away, whereas actually get in, uh get stuck in and see what happens. And you will be you will be you will be you will surprise yourself. And I think it's that stepping in and owning that is the transformation, right? That's what's happened to you. You and fair, you you live that ex that 15-16 hours.

SPEAKER_00 30:04

Uh I'll never forget it, Steve. Never forget it. No, the thing is as well, like you mentioned it before, we recorded the whole thing, right? It's a video of it. I've watched it, you know, and I I I know what's going on, I know how I felt. And that's one of the one of the one of the greatest gifts we gave to ourselves this entire trip was that we did we we did video it. And and Steve, I will treasure those memories for as long as they live. I'll I can I can picture myself being you know in a position where maybe we've stopped sailing, and I'll still look back on those videos because there's some of the most difficult but most happy times I've ever had.

SPEAKER_01 30:36

And lovely. Lovely. Let's pause there. We're gonna take a break, and we shall be back with um more stories of the wilderness and getting there around the UK shores. I'll pause us there, Rob. Go well, Matt.

SPEAKER_00 30:50

Thank you, Steve.