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#301 - Industrial Print Unpacked: Decor, Packaging and Direct-to-Product with Agfa
In this FuturePrint Podcast episode, host Marcus Timson reconnects with long-time partner and industry voice Marc Graindourze of Agfa to explore where industrial inkjet really is in late 2025 – and what comes next.
Graindourze starts by defining industrial print in simple, concrete terms: print that becomes part of the product, not just a label or message. Using décor laminates as a benchmark, he explains how inkjet has successfully replaced gravure by slotting into existing impregnation and pressing lines without forcing manufacturers to re-engineer their plants.
The conversation ranges across Agfa’s core focus areas – décor, packaging and direct-to-product printing – and highlights how the economics of digital have quietly improved. Lower ink consumption, faster changeovers and better process understanding mean that, on a total cost-per-square-metre basis, inkjet can now undercut analogue in many decorative applications. Examples include high-speed preprint corrugated with unique QR codes for e-commerce and edge banding for furniture.
Timson and Graindourze also preview the new FuturePrint Industrial Print event at Motorworld Munich (21–22 January 2026). Designed as a focused, hybrid alternative to traditional trade shows, the event aims to connect the specialist inkjet ecosystem – inks, printheads, integrators, software and automation suppliers – with decision-makers in automotive, med-tech, consumer electronics and other manufacturing sectors. A dedicated day on AI for industrial print will sit alongside exhibits, talks and live application “workshop” spaces.
Throughout, Graindourze stresses that success in industrial inkjet depends on collaboration and clarity. General-purpose UV and water-based ink sets can often be adapted for new applications, but only when industrial partners are explicit about their requirements and prepared to rethink workflows to exploit digital’s strengths.
For anyone interested in how inkjet is reshaping advanced manufacturing – and why Munich could mark an important inflection point – this is an episode not to miss.
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SPEAKER_01:Welcome to the latest episode of the Future Print podcast. It's Marcus Timpson here from FuturePrint. I'm happy to have with me Mark Glendos from ACFL. ACFL have long been one of our FuturePrint partners and predating them. ACFLA were one of our founding exhibitors at the imprint show. So they've always been a big supporter of innovation and inkjet development into new industrial markets. First off, welcome to the podcast, Mark. Even though I haven't done this for quite some time and we haven't interviewed, I haven't interviewed you for ages, but we've known one another for years. But it's been really nice to reconnect. So welcome to the podcast, Mark.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, thanks for agent. And I'm happy with your uh first statements. It's really true. We are in a innovator in Injet, and it's one of the reasons that I I like the cooperation to be a partner of FuturePrint because it gives us a face to the market, a voice to the market, uh, to talk um with you, uh, your expertise, your your excellent events, your network. So it's it's what we need in the industry.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, thank you. And it and and and I think that is one of the keys to FuturePrint is the fact that we have that innovative community of which MAC was one of the leaders in, and um and the excitement around the technology developing into new areas and new markets, which which is um interesting, challenging, and exciting all in all in one, really. Um today we're gonna have a little bit of a focus around Munich um and the future print industrial print event, which is 21st, 22nd of January at Motorworld in Munich. Before we get into talking one, obviously the future print event represents something new, I think. Future print industrial print. Um we view the word in or the phrase industrial print really to mean printing that is part of the process of manufacturing and that can be either functional or decorative, and that's trap one is really industrial print technology for advanced manufacturing, and we'll get into what how that's developing and how that's changing. The idea of the future print industrial print really was born out of the need, as used at them with future print for this innovative community of of um in innovators, funny enough, um, to showcase what's possible with the technology in a variety of markets, from on the one hand, automotive, med-tech consumer electronics, micards, um, on a more functional level, but equally into decorative areas, um, of which electron plays a big role in too, um, surface decoration and so on. If you're thinking we use we still use the imagery of a house to depict how how wide and varied and the breadth and depth of industrial printing, and when ink is playing a greater role, and um that's evolving and developing all the time with technological advances, and often I think the wider community doesn't quite realize what is possible, right? And I think that's something that we've always had to do is educate, right, Mark?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, it's exactly uh I would say exactly the same words, to be honest. And what I like about the new format is I've been present in many of your tech events in Cambridge, Valencia, which are very nice to connect the cooperative partners in finding solutions because very rarely one company has the full solution, it's often a combination of chemistry, the inks, the consumables, the print system, the software, the color management, automation, so many parts come together, and you you have been able to bring those partners together. But it's much more difficult to bring the industries to those events. At in print, you have done that. At the tech event so far, it was more difficult. Now I see a big opportunity in this Muni event also because of the location, the style, the hybrid format I would say, of not being purely a conference. It's more an innovative environment where people can can have ideas. You have a section on a full day on artificial intelligence, you have the uh the integrator speaking, you have even a small workshop, I would say, present on site. So it's a very open format to the industries. So you will have the connection of those partners that that can present themselves with their knowledge, their innovation skills directly to the industries. The location, of course, is very much uh in favor of the automotive world where there is a huge potential. So I I like this format that you are even more focused than imprint because imprint was a bit very big, open scale, um more traditional trade show event. Well, here it's more focused event. Um also the investment of exhibitor is reasonable, I would say, for such an event. It's also the new style of of events. So I really like the hybrid format to to focus on the industries. And that's what I'm really hoping that you are able to attract those people in in a huge amount to make it a successful event.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, thank you. And I think I think you're right that um in terms of the format and the profile, the the tech community, as you've said, we've managed to achieve at the Cambridge event. But the missing link really is connecting the tech community with the industrial community, really. And um in large part because that community is very focused on needing to digitalise, to respond to fast moving conditions, changing demand, supply chain challenges, um, labour skill shortages. So there are lots of macro pressures, I think, placing um this kind of technology and this special advantages it brings, both to cost savings and agility, that I think is going to pay off and play dividends. And what we've, as you've hinted at there, the format hit hybrid, we used to be trade show organizers, we more laterally visited trade shows. And I think COVID was a a little bit of a line in the sand for many reasons, both with the fact we can digitally communicate buyers, do a lot of research digitally, but also large trade shows can be quite exhausting and quite difficult to find innovation, quite expensive, hugely expensive rehibitors. So while they retain the relevance, I don't think they quite have the dominance they they once had. So I love you was to try to create a format that was a little bit kinder on budget, a little bit kinder on time, and to provide that focused access that you can get a lot done in a day, and more importantly, meet the right people. Like you've um the technology is one thing, but it's the people behind that technology that that's critical because you used to collaboration is so vital when creating a new machine or a new um technology solution for manufacturing. Every line is different, every business is different. It's not always, in fact, often is not an off-the-shelf solution, so it has to be customized often, doesn't it? And that's like usage. Explain a bit about ECFA and how you collaborate, Mark, because that that that would um you you kind of hinted at it then. It's really an important part of the whole process, isn't it?
SPEAKER_03:Indeed, it's also the reason why we wanted to participate with this event. Uh but but first of all, you you said something very important meeting the right people. So the people of the industries that will come to the tech event, they can be 100% assured the right people from the in-jet part are there and they are able to meet them. And you are, I know you're searching, and we're every exhibitor is helping you in that, to just invite the correct people that are influencing the decisions on how to implement in-jet in the industries from a technical but also a bit commercial side to see now's the moment to invest in this. And that's what we need, and that's what you're trying to set up here. And that's also the reason why ACFA is participating because we are successful in some parts of the applications you mentioned, like decorative printing, yes, but we also have many other parts of solutions that are capable to be used in other applications, but are not always known by those people that should know. And it's exactly that what imprinted, and that what we really need in in the new format. And that's why I'm so enthusiastic about this event, because we will be able to tell, for instance, in the world of automotive, look, we have products for direct to product printing that can help you in the inside of your car or for parts, or even for for other parts, pair parts where you need to print on some marking and coding, some instructions. We have a fantastic writing to print on something dark colored, etc. So there are a lot of part of the solution that we need we cooperate with companies, with the printed suppliers, the curing or drying um integrators. We are all part of that community to help those people that it's being used correctly in a satisfying way, because you know the typical advantages of injet are more and more visible in the packaging, for instance. Lower waste, fast reaction time, um in-between time between two jobs, very, very short. That's in decoration winner. So you have a lot of things you can is proven technology by in-jet printing, but should be translated into other applications, and that's where I see the biggest focus for myself. To present ACFA, look, we are doing that. Here's uh two slides of examples we have successful, but now let's focus on where we should become successful, where we can help the industry. That's my focus.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and with your role market, I mean, knowing you now for many many years, that's obviously work you enjoy doing yourself, right? It's you find it quite uh challenging, interesting.
SPEAKER_03:There's always a big team, uh you have a face to to me often speaking, but I'm just a face to the industry. Uh there's a whole big team behind it. Uh that's the advantage of ACFA as a as a key player in Injet that you are you're well organized with a big RD team, you have application know-how, you have a fantastic running supply chain. Um so I have a full team backup in my backup, let's say, in this way, that that is supportive. I'm I'm trying to connect and and define the projects and define the partners and so on. But it's it's not a one-man job, of course. Uh that's the advantage of a big company. But it's important to be a face to the to the industry, and that's that's why we are partner of FuturePrint, and that's why this event is important. That I also speak on many conferences here in decorative, in packaging, also walk the floor. But as you mentioned, you need to find the right people to talk to. And on a on a big trade show, that's quite difficult. On a more oriented event like this, I hope this will be much more successful to find the right people that understand what you're doing. That's the first thing that is needed. Understand what injet can bring for their specific application.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah. So it's still an educational role, but equally, an event like this, I think we'll get we're able to get people that are at least of in informed and primed and interested. So you have the quality of the.
SPEAKER_03:Luckily, we do not, and and then there's there often no examples where in-jet is reliable in use and also where it's commercially viable. Because over the last 10 years, what what did I see as a biggest change in Inkjet? It's the commercial viability, because everything has become cheaper in the end. Why it's more reliable, the ink consumption has come down, the in-between times have beginning to come down. Why? Because people have learned to print inkjet in a digital way and not just do their analog traditional workflow but change just the printing method by in-jet and do all the rest the same, but then you're not a winner. You have to try to learn how to work. Instead of having three, four, five big jobs a day. Now you have maybe twenty smaller jobs a day. If you do not adapt, you will not make money with that. But the companies that are willing to make it happen, they have learned that and they are successful with Vinjet because they they use it in the right way.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so what you're saying there is often often the misconception is that digital is seen perhaps because of the proliferation of smart technology, we see it replacing old analog in our consumer lives, then actually in a manufacturing environment, it shouldn't be seen as a a replacement technology, really.
SPEAKER_03:That's one thing, huh? Uh but it can be a replacement, but often it's an addition. You can do something different with it, you can do much shorter run lengths. But if you do it clever, um you know, always people say uh an injun thing is very expensive uh by the liter price, but you really have to look to the TCO of a square meter printed. And when you look to that case, it can be even much cheaper than analog. It all depends on how you use it. And uh Edge band is a nice example, edge band of furniture. Uh if you you do that with an inject printer compared to gravure, in gravure it's linked to your uh your substrate making, your extrusion of your ABS, for instance, which is very slow, and your printer is connected, and you have one file printing for for days sometimes at the same time while an inject. You print 50 meters a minute, for instance, much wider. Later you slit in the the bands, you you do in 10 seconds a job change from one file to the other. So you print faster. If your substrate is uh colored, bulk colored, which is very typical in this market, your ink consumption is very, very low, a few milliliters per square meter, and you're very cost effective, you're much cheaper than the analog one. So a liter price is something very confusing to the people, but you really need to look to the TCO, and then in many cases, in decoration, it is cheaper. It's all about how you set it up. In automotive, uh it's something different, I think. Then it's more about a special series, and you can combine the automation by handling either your your printhead on on a robot, either your part you want to print can have different strange shapes. You you bring it in front of the the printhead that you have your print gap controlled, and then you can jet and build up your image. And by the way, we see those print gaps, the drawing distance have gradually increased over the years, and now we have applications up to 20 millimeters with a good quality. So, also there the technology of the combination of printhead, ink, and a form to drive the piezo printed has so much improved that you can extend the print gap. This is incredibly important for automotive. And in general, product decorator product print, addict print on the product, which there is a huge range of applications you can there is a lot to grow there. Typically, these series are relatively low amount of products to be printed, so ideal for India, low waste, fast reaction. Every design can be personal. There's a lot of the wind there, and and I think that's an opportunity for the January event to show that to the automotive world.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah. I think I think I think uh look one of the key differences from the the time that we launched the imprint show to now is the uh development really of Inks as a a viable functional printing methodology for um, like you said, all these technical markets where it's to some extent even fluid deposition, not printing, and um that wasn't the case, I don't know, 12 years ago when the first show in London. Um so it's so it's the technology's evolved, the chemistry has evolved, and um it's quite it's quite incredible what's possible also with 3D in additive as well, there's stuff like that at the show. So it's like, wow, this is this is truly exceptional technology, isn't it? It's quite unique. I don't think there's anything else in the printing world like that that can work in so many different industries in so many different ways, with such challenges posed to it, withn't it with chemistry challenges, physics, engineering. It's uh pretty amazing stuff.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, you're right. And uh so so non-contact print method is definitely a big advantage. But I I still I I think twelve years ago we had a discussion what is industrial printing?
SPEAKER_01:And yeah, that was gonna be my next question, and well done. How you define it, but it but it's a good it's a good one because it's it it gets misconstrued sometimes, right? So what what do you what's your definition of industrial printing?
SPEAKER_03:I use your definition for it's it's uh in the end the print is part of the product when you really see it in a very narrow way. The the print is not a message, it's not a label, it's not uh an advertisement, it's part of your product. And and the example that is most interesting for ACFA and most advanced is the one that you print on a decor paper with the ink, you impregnate with resin, and then you press it into a laminate. So your ink is really part of the product. That's that's an example that everybody will understand. You it's not printing on something, it's not a message, it's the function, it's the design comes from your print. And this is typically the case in decorative printing. So that is really the definition for me. The the print is not a message, it's the product in the end. And this has a map many applications. This has many uh implications. Why? Because if you want to implement injet as a replacement for an existing print technology, you need to fit in the total process setup what happens before and what happens after. So talking again about printing for the laminates, we we've changed gravure to injet. But if all the next steps of the impregnation and the pressing would have needed to change because of the injet, it would be a no-go because the investment level would be so huge that now you just replace gravure by injet and the other processes stay the same. No investment in that part. So that's the reason why it's successful. And secondly, of course, that companies, big companies, the the Deco printers as we call them, have learned to print digital. And have taken up the the challenge to make it work. And they're doing that. Um and they're very reliable, they have they have they are using the in-ject cooperative between the all the parts of the solution in the correct way. And that's what we need to promote as an example. But then consider what is special about the other applications that we consider industry. Packaging is typically one of the parts that you have in the house of applications, as I call it, which is all your on your invitation also. And and the packaging is a is a big growth potential for injet. It's still relatively small, except label. But when you look to folding carton boxes, corrugated boxes, there are systems now, but they are slow in taking up by the market. I understand it's also sometimes big investments of those prints. But their injet brings a lot of potential. In a previous podcast a few weeks ago, we specifically touched uh ACFA and consumables for printing on carton packaging. And there we are we are developing a lot. We have a lot of projects in this field. We believe that this will be with water-based thing. This is in this case will be very successful. You have preprint corrugated, for instance, where we are uh very involved and where we are making big progresses where you can uh print, for instance, um on the e-commerce box uh um QR codes which are unique, but you you you can do them in preprint at very high speed at the same speed of a color heater. So again, that's really industrial because you combine injet with the existing technology specifically developed for making colour heated boxes. That's the strength of injet, it's easy to combine. You have no print master, you can do it single pass, high speed, inline, connected. That's one of the key advantages of injet. And of course, non-contact again brings a lot of opportunities. So packaging is definitely one part of the intention. And next to decoration, and last but not least, the the direct-to-product printing is the third focus for me for the for the event.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah. Direct to product could could be within packaging, but equally in any part of uh manufacturing, I suppose, because of the advantages of it printing onto onto perhaps difficult shapes that aren't necessarily possible with analog and not at the variety and the agility and so on. So that that is something that continues to develop and was present 12 years ago, but perhaps it's become more refined now and more integrated into manufacturing, I would imagine. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Of course, screen printing is often used a lot in those kind of applications. It's a challenge to be a good alternative to screen printing. While many others it have been gravure as a reference or offset or even flexo, uh, especially packaging, those are important, but indirect to product, and the the challenge is on between screen screen printing and injet.
SPEAKER_01:Interesting. And that's obviously your focus, which is quite varied, actually, isn't it? Um, from decor to direct to product and and also packaging. It must give you a very good impression of how not only the challenges technically in the manufacturing spaces they represent are maybe a little different, sometimes maybe there's maybe similar, but equally the people that operate them and the the the mindset behind them, because I hear a lot from them the market, for instance, that some markets are more conservative than others. So people are a bit more resistant to change in one market. Packaging um is obviously huge. One would imagine faster moving, but not necessarily true. What what what do you see as the status really of the industrial link jet printing market today? What's what's your what's your viewpoint of that? I mean, whether or not it's it's growth-oriented or or or potential or whatever, really, what do you see?
SPEAKER_03:What I see, first of all, is that that customers that we have for many years are more and more successful and doing the economics right. But of course, we need much more of these. What is a good sign that during this year, every month, I have involved in new projects for new applications. So it's not stopping at all. You see companies, often market leaders, picking up the idea, starting the projects. Some of them do them really clever, taking part of the solution existing, integrate them, and then the project is relatively fast. But sometimes still they want to start from scratch, and then it's a long project. So it depends a bit on who is in charge and who has the technology skills. Also, because many people um go from one company to the other. So an in-jet expert that goes moves to uh um a company who's big in a certain application, brings his knowledge into that team and and start and you have a faster start. So that's also a good thing about people changing roles and changing jobs can help us a lot because you have some experts that that go into the industries. I see that happen more and more. That's a very good sign for our future. So, but we need we need faster pickup in in some applications where you see it's a proven technology by some companies. Um why it's not more general pickup that's sometimes strange to understand why it goes slow. Uh, if you you once did this nice figure with early adopters and and the full adoption, etc. It's it's still very valid. It's the reality of 2025, also, still. So that's not changed, that model is is in place. Um Keramics, of course, being the one time where it went very fast into full adoption, economically a fantastic story, also. So that certainly pushed the technology to to uh overtake uh the screen printing very fast, but it was quite unique, often it's more subtile the differences, and thereby also the take up is slower. Um since I'm a chemist and since I'm I'm a bit of an ink expert, uh I still also want to bring it a bit to the consumables. So you there you see two trends, I would say. You have UV injetting that has been around for a longer time in many industries and still is growing because it has very good uh intrinsic advantage by stability, reliability. Um, the drying goes easy by LED cure, it goes very fast, it's instant dry. You have a lot of open head time with UV, etc. So adhesion is a bit easier. So you still see UV growing. On the other hand, there is a lot of interest in water-based ink solutions for many reasons. Um materials are cheaper. Um you need more from the solution to make it reliable, but that's happening, that's available. Uh certainly in in packaging, when it's a porous media, it's more logical to go water-based. So we we are also working on both uh uh tracks. Uh it's both are growing and and are important to be present. But one point I I want to go back to one of your remarks on when is it working? So you you often develop uh a new ink set with some applications in mind, yeah. And that's quite opposite to uh a logistic mechanism would say, uh, just develop one ink set which can do all that that's not possible in chemistry. That's too ambitious. But on the other hand, in many cases, we have developed a certain ink set for a range of applications, and later we see uh that ink set is much more general purpose as we we thought in the beginning. We have a general purpose single parse UV ink set that is used to print on plastics direct to product, but it also works direct to wood. If you add a primer that is also jettable and curable, you can print on glass, you can print on very difficult plastics and appeasion, you can print on metal. So very often you learn by application work in working with partners my my general purpose ink, which is often the one in in single parse UV, we send out as a starter ink. Let's try this one and see what it brings, and then you give your uh your remarks what it cannot do. And very often they say, Yeah, but it's perfect, it's what I need. So that's also the good thing about uh inkjet. It's uh you you have developed over the years a certain number of ink sets, and you use them to to start a new project and learn and then say, Okay, for this one and it's high volume, we can tune that ink for a specific specification, yes, or we can keep stay at the existing one, which then of course helps in picking up develop fast, have experience with the thing. We have produced it many times, we know the reliability of the production, etc. And and the customer can profit from that. And that's something unique by chemistry, I think, that you can can play with the chemistry to to to make a general purpose ink, or a very dedicated ink set that can only do that one job.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah, it's like a fine-tuning. You have you have your standardized um ink formulations for very stable, mature applications that you've known for many, many years, and I guess it's been able to play with the formula almost almost by experimentation to tweak and then you discover a a little bit of a breakthrough for a certain application that then accelerates progress, doesn't it? Because the more and more the more and more fluid the position an ink um chemistry is refined, the the better ink genet will grow, won't it? I mean, it's simple, isn't it, really? Because it's um it it's it's a huge amount, not only because of the cost of ink, but because of the the ability that InkGenet has as a very imaginable technology solution that, like you said, it can do personalization, but it's often it's about just being able to print on demand right at the last minute, creating things in the moment, turning things around. That agility must be critical these days. I I I think with cost pressures and all the other ones I mentioned, like you know, supply chain disruption, fast changing demand, and so on, and that shift to digitalization, right? And I guess going back to one of the things you've said, it's getting to the right people, isn't it? Often it's the mindset, people with a strategic vision and and and want to want to manufacture or produce smarter.
SPEAKER_03:Correct. Also, 10 years ago, mostly our projects were the companies building the printers, and uh the application was the second focus. Now it's the first focus. That's the real change. At that moment, uh the ink chemistry has to work with the printer, print reliable, cure good, etc. etc. But if it doesn't do the application, you have no commercial solution, and that aspect changed over the years. That the application is more in front of the development than just making the ink work on the printer. You need both, but we do understand, and as an industry, do this better than in the past, and that's part of the success, and that's the way you can attract the industry is by showing we listen to you, what do you need? And it's important that they tell us exactly what they need. The worst projects are those with um with a target that is always changing. So you developed an int, and they said, Oh, but you also need to comply with this and this and this uh test. Then you're running after your target. That's a nightmare. So it's important that the industries understand that you need to know from the beginning the key uh needs for that application. Then you can develop something in a collaborative way, or you can say, But I have a general purpose inset that might do the job. It's all about knowing the right specifications in full. The more you know them from day one, the better you will do your project. And the more successful you will be and the lower development cost. It's all about that. It's not only the cost of the final thing, but you need a clever way to develop a solution together and and assembling together all the pieces of the puzzle to bring a solution to your new industry customer. And it's that's what we learned over the years, and now it's a way how to present that to the to the people that pick up Inkjet for the industrial need. And that's why you can help us uh at the tech event.
SPEAKER_01:Absolutely, and I and I think that's also sort of smarter thinking at the beginning for smarter printing, isn't it? And and and that's that's kind of it. And I think with the with the event in Munich, really, yes, there's technology on view, yes, that the yes, there will be um some great talks from people like Mark and others who are genuinely experts, but really the value is connecting with the right people, with the right experience, and an access to um and an openness to to collaborate as well. And I think that's that's quite unique about this. It's the only event really, I think, what I've ever um worked within when you you get a broad number of people, um businesses working on one project, and and that willingness and openness to collaborate is quite energizing and exciting as well, and um, and that's what we all get in Munich. You're getting some great content, you'll get some great technology, you'll get but ultimately it you're getting the cream of the industry in terms of the technical competence, and I think that is the critical value. So thank you for joining us, Mark. Any other final thoughts before we uh wrap up the year? And uh we'll probably have another chat at some point in the future, we get to get some viewpoints from you then. Any any final thoughts?
SPEAKER_03:Well, I think you you did a fantastic wrap-up. It's really about um the cooperation and extend that into more into the industries. Um I think we can convince them of the cooperation between the ink-jet uh solutions to that we can bring that together for them. And um now it's time to to more generally apply it to a wider range of industries.
SPEAKER_01:Thank you for joining us, Mark. Looking forward to seeing you in Munich. And thank you for it. And thank you for being such an active kind of um ambassador and promoter and and and um participant. Appreciate it. Thank you very much.
SPEAKER_03:My pleasure. Thank you, thank you, Marcus.
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