Worship and Leadership by LifePoint Creative
This podcast was intended to resource our Dream Teamers at LifePoint Church, with biblical fundamentals on worship, life and a variety of leadership principles.
Worship and Leadership by LifePoint Creative
Caring for Others and Yourself
What if the hustle culture that's supposed to drive our success is actually derailing our well-being? Join us for an eye-opening discussion with the insightful Pastor Beau Jensen and the remarkable Ms. Sonja Vick, as we unravel the intricate tapestry of rest and pastoral care. Our conversation takes root in biblical teachings, with Ms. Sonja illuminating the concept of rest as a divine gift from Genesis, intended to counter-balance the grind of everyday labor. Together, we confront cultural misconceptions that equate rest with laziness and tackle the external pressures, such as inflation, that make rest feel like an indulgence rather than a necessity. From embracing solitude with God to exploring the transformative power of forgiveness, this conversation offers practical strategies to cultivate a life grounded in rest and spiritual fulfillment.
Hey, what's up everybody? Welcome to our Worship and Leadership podcast by LifePoint Creative. It's me, your boy Cousin Willie, up in the building today, and I'm so excited that we get to hang out with you all for the next few moments. Hey, as a reminder, this podcast was created with the intent to resource our Dream Teamers at LifePoint Church in Clarksville, tennessee, and now also in Bayshore, long Island Come on somebody. But we're excited because we know that many of you are listening from different places and I want to say thank you for taking the time to tune in and join us today. And with me in the studio I have the one and the only, tiffany. The Terrific what's up Tiff.
Speaker 1:Hey, everybody Come on Now, tiff listen. I'm really excited because I feel like we have royalty and nobility in the room with us today. You know what I'm saying, right, yeah. So, hey, everybody, y'all give it up for Pastor Bo Jensen, let's go, come on, it's a great Monday. It is a great Monday. Yes, it really is.
Speaker 4:We have a great topic today. We really do.
Speaker 1:Yes, and Bo, listen, man, I'm excited. Who else is joining us in the studio, me? We have the amazing. Come on, incomparable. Come on. Often duplicated, never replicated. Oh, come on. Often imitated, hey, but never facsimilated. Say it one more time she's often duplicated, uh-huh, but never replicated. Yes, the one, the one, the only, the only.
Speaker 5:Miss Sonia V, let's go. Hello everyone. Hello everyone, Glad to be here.
Speaker 1:I want to thank you, Miss Sonia, for joining us today. How are you doing?
Speaker 5:I am blessed.
Speaker 1:Doing well. Well, praise God. So glad y'all could join us today. We're going to have a lot of fun. Yeah, I felt like we were having some great discussion beforehand and it was so good. Tiffany was like, hey, hold on now we got to save that, we got to hit record.
Speaker 2:Right right.
Speaker 1:Hurry, hurry. So today's episode we're talking through pastoral care and caring for others.
Speaker 4:Can we pause for a second?
Speaker 1:Let's pause.
Speaker 4:I think, Pastor Willie, you need some care on this.
Speaker 3:Monday. Oh no, because his football team the Alabama Crimson Tide.
Speaker 4:Oh Lord, they stumbled and fell Lord.
Speaker 2:He was just waiting for that report?
Speaker 1:The Tennessee Volunteers? Yeah, I was. I was waiting. You know what, though it doesn't matter.
Speaker 4:So we scheduled you an appointment.
Speaker 1:Thank, you For this week. And next week and the week after and the week after, I'm going to need three weeks. Y'all struggling, we struggling, brother, praise God, but you know what?
Speaker 4:All of heaven rejoices Come on somebody. All of heaven rejoices when one Alabama football team loses in the state of Tennessee, but it's happened twice this year, hallelujah. Let's talk about real spiritual things now Jesus help us.
Speaker 5:We'll get them a schedule, just rip right off.
Speaker 1:Kicking a man while he's down Putting salt in the wound. But we have a great pastoral care team. We absolutely do and I do thank God for them.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:And I am going to get on their acuity. Ms Sonja, just clear your next three weeks. I need intensive pastoral care and guidance. Yep, I'm dealing with some unforgiveness in my heart towards my fellow brethren. Thank you so care, that is a word that has a broad meaning and a wide meaning. And, miss sonja, you was dropping some straight up truth nuggets, bombs, whatever you want to call them and talking through pastoral care, and I was telling you that we always like to start with a high view theological and then kind of talk through how we do things LifePoint and then get practical. So would you just share with our global audience no pressure about really this idea of rest from God's perspective and how God wants to give us rest. You take the floor.
Speaker 5:Well, I think we need to go back to the book of Genesis and really understand that God gave the children of Israel Sabbath for a reason they were coming out of bondage, they had some hard taskmasters, they were expected to work and not really have the supplies that they needed to complete the task, and so once they left Egypt we've heard Pastor Mike say it so many times God was wanting to get Egypt out of them, and part of that remedy was the Sabbath, learning the rhythm of rest. And so one of my favorite scriptures is also Matthew 11, verses 28 through 30. And Jesus really lets us know that he wants to give us rest. And so we struggle with that in our humanity because our calendars are overfilled. They're filled to the brim Even. As Pastor Stephanie was saying yesterday, we need to be prayerful about what we are committing to, what we get to say yes to in this season, what we should say no to, but it's keeping that margin that's necessary that can help us rest.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a great point. To your point, I think we tend to think because we are workers, we're hard workers, we like to make things happen, rest almost feels unnatural, it almost feels undeserved. And even in certain cultures I would say even in our American culture rest can almost seem like laziness If people need to take a break, if they need to get a respite. But no, scripture doesn't necessarily say that, does it? Scripture actually teaches us the opposite. Like you said, rest is a good thing, rest is a gift from God. So, pastor Bo, why do people struggle with the idea of resting in the first place? Again, you do a lot of pastoral care appointments. Why do people struggle with the notion, the idea of resting?
Speaker 4:Well, I think our culture is a culture of hustle. Okay, yeah, so we're constantly hustling, right, we're constantly trying to figure out. You know, we have inflation, so we feel like we have to do something to. You know, make extra money, so we'll make ourselves even more busy, take overtime, and we'll sacrifice certain areas of our life for, honestly, a dollar, sure, and um, the result is we get tired, we get, you know, we get in.
Speaker 4:We're constantly in a hurry in general, right, and so the result, the cause of that, is we're short with our wife or short with our kids, we don't have a lot of grace for things, and so that's the end result of a hurried life, of a hustle culture.
Speaker 4:And I mean, I have to constantly deal with that myself because I feel that tension in the American culture of constantly trying to figure out the next thing. Part of that is my personality as well. That has a play in that, but it's something that I feel like God has really challenged me over the last year to slow down, don't be in such a hurry. You know, enjoy the moment, you know, and I think age helps with that a little bit as well, seeing your kids grow up a little bit and you realize, oh, I don't have as much time as I once thought I did, sure, yeah, and so those are some of the factors that I feel like God's been speaking to me here lately, and so that's where I feel like we're at right now with our cultures. We just have this culture of hustle, culture of in a hurry.
Speaker 4:I saw, even just yesterday, driving down the road with my daughter, who's 15 years old. She's learning how to drive. She's about to pull out of a gas station and the guy behind us is just laying on the horn. And I'm thinking, bro, I told her, I just said, hey, just just chill, just chill, you know. And he got in such a hurry he went around her, almost caused an accident, just to get around us just in a hurry for nothing.
Speaker 2:It's a Sunday afternoon.
Speaker 4:I mean, I don't know if he was late to work. I don't think he was it six o'clock, you know, and that and at night, you know, and.
Speaker 2:But that's our culture.
Speaker 4:That's our culture in us. In essence, we don't slow down really for anything. You know and I think I said this before too, like if you notice at a stoplight you know, I think john mark colmer said this in his book ruthless elimination of her yeah, we want to get in the other lane. Yeah, you know, if there's no other cars in that lane, we'll get in that other lane, just to get in the other lane. If there's no other cars in that lane, we'll get in that other lane just to get ahead.
Speaker 4:And it's like are you really going to get there faster? So it's just this constant hustle for more constant hustle to get somewhere, and the end result is we're tired, we don't give the people that we love our best, and so I feel like that's why Jesus is like come and take upon my yoke, because it's easy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, I like that. His yoke is easy. So so we're all. We're all saddled and yoked with something, and and Jesus is inviting us to exchange, right, if he's inviting us, hey, listen. No, you're yoked, you've got a burden. You're saddled with something. Mine is easy, though. Yeah, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think even just taking time to pause and reflect on that Rest isn't something that just happens, naturally, it's not something that we happen upon. So I think honoring that Sabbath doesn't mean like I know, this day I'm not doing it. It does know, like this day I'm not doing. It does know like this day I'm going to rest. But you prepare for that rest.
Speaker 2:Yes so like I know, if I'm going to take Saturday at home and I have a sink full of dirty dishes, I'm going to be looking at those dirty dishes.
Speaker 3:You know.
Speaker 2:So, like Friday night, I'm going to do the dish, like I'm going to prepare myself for that rest in a way that I know I'm going to be able to like fully rest, cause we do have have a culture of, of hustle and all the things, and I think it's just knowing yourself and knowing what you're going to be distracted by and intentionally setting aside those distractions and taking that time to rest doesn't just happen, it is counter-cultural and it is. It does seem weird, but how can you make space for that? What do you need to set aside in your schedule? What do you need to get out of the way earlier in the week and how can you take that time to just fully rest? Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 5:As Tiffany was speaking, romans 12, verses 1 and 2, came up, but I want to read it out of the message translation, and it says so here's what I want you to do God helping you. So that's already implying that we need God's help to do this. And so take your everyday, ordinary life, your sleeping, eating, going to work and walking around life and place it before God as an offering. Embracing what God does for you is the best thing you can do for him. Don't become so well adjusted to your culture that you fit into it without even thinking. Instead, fix your attention on God. You'll be changed from the inside out, and so we're talking about that. Right, what culture is kind of dictating, but we get to do this with.
Speaker 5:God's help in choosing his rhythm that are better for us.
Speaker 1:I love that man that is so good. So we're allowing God to change our minds. First of all, don't be conformed to the culture, and then we have to allow God to renew our minds.
Speaker 5:Because, again.
Speaker 1:Like you said, man, that's the culture we live in. It's a hustle culture. Yeah, work, you know, work is the prize, rest is seen as a detraction, rest is for the weak, rest is for those who don't have the right kind of mindset. So, pastor Bo, you know you serve here as our Rossview campus pastor, and obviously those of us on staff and I think all of us on staff Pastor Mike and Pastor Stephanie have said that all of us on staff are called to engage in pastoral care, and I think all of us do to some extent in one way or another. But as a pastor, though, you are called to lead and shepherd others uniquely. God has gifted you uniquely to do that. But then, you agree, there's this tension, though, of caring for others and pouring out, but then also caring for yourself. Right, and there ain't no handbook for that, like there ain't no chapter and verse that specifically says how we do this. So how do you, bo Jensen, how do you find yourself helping to navigate or manage that tension in a way that keeps you effective?
Speaker 4:Yeah, I think for myself, you know, it starts out with working out, having a rhythm of working out, you know, physically doing something, because I'm not doing necessarily physical labor. So doing something that's physically hard and I try to do that early in the mornings gets my I mean, it gets the blood pumping, it kind of gets your mind ready for the day, right and interacting with people. Obviously, scripture reading and prayer. You know I don't want to overlook those things. Those things are essential to any believer, right, having the Holy Spirit speak to you through reading of scripture or through prayer, yeah, and obviously the Holy Spirit can speak to you in other ways as well, absolutely. But I think, starting there, I'm in the fourth quarter of the year and so typically my diet kind of shifts at this time of the year a little bit.
Speaker 4:I allow myself to eat more unhealthy things, but I think having a healthy diet does help. An outlet that you have for yourself, it rejuvenates you, gets you ready to come back on a, whether it's a Sunday or a Monday, wherever your workday starts and I think sometimes that can even become busy too. You can get in a rhythm of you. Just you know, you can get obsessed with your hobby, so that can even become something that you need to pull back from.
Speaker 3:And.
Speaker 4:I've been there before where you know one of my, you know, something that rejuvenates me is hunting or fishing or something that's out in the outdoors. But I can get so obsessed with that to where I need to retreat even from that. You know, and you know I I'm. This may sound crazy, you know last week was fall break right, yeah yeah, I got up almost every single day earlier than I would during a work week really, because I wanted to go hunting, yeah, and then get back home to spend time with the family yeah so get back home, spend time with them, and I found myself like I'm not really resting during fall break at all, yeah, yeah
Speaker 4:you know I'm resting, kind of sort of like it was peaceful in the woods, seeing nature. That's rejuvenating to my spirit, yeah. But it got as the week kind of went on. Um, you know, I'd had the intent on on Saturday this past weekend I had the intent to continue to hunt, yeah, and I just felt the Lord just kind of just say, uh, you need a rest, you know, before you get back into coming back to church and going back to the office, and so I didn't go hunting on Saturday morning at all and I just felt.
Speaker 4:I felt this peace though, yeah, and I don't know if anybody else can identify with what that's like, but I just felt this peace. I think it also helps to have people in your life that can affirm that in your life and you know, my father even affirmed it you know he's like in your life and you know, my father even affirmed it you know, he's like, yeah, take, take time to rest you know Um, and so I don't know, I just slept in, got up, did a, did a workout, just had a slow morning.
Speaker 4:And, man, what a peaceful day, especially, you know, at around I don't know, six o'clock, six, 30, I got to celebrate a Vols victory.
Speaker 2:So what a great day.
Speaker 4:And again it's a part of that rhythm of hearing the Holy Spirit and knowing when it's time. And I don't get it right all the time, sure, but that's how I rest, how I rejuvenate, how I can be my best during the week when I'm serving others.
Speaker 1:That's great. Ms Sonja, how can people at large really manage that tension? You know you have parents and business owners just like Bo was talking about all these different tensions and so how can people manage those well?
Speaker 5:I think we have to know that there will be tension.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 5:Right, it's never going to just be tiptoeing through the tulip fields all day, so I think we get to invite the Lord in, just as I read out of Romans 12 in the message translation we get to invite God into that space and we get to allow Him, by the Holy Spirit, to help us make the right choices. Even, as you said earlier, people struggle with rest because they perceive it as being lazy. You know, we get to, I guess, reclaim what God has given us and we really need to know that if we're not at our best, we really aren't being as great to the ones that we want to care for.
Speaker 5:And so the best way to do that is to really I love what Tiffany said, it's true be intentional about scheduling it and preparing. And so even when I referenced the Sabbath. It may not be a full day. If it can be, that's great, but if it's some dedicated time that you really have, to just disconnect.
Speaker 5:That's what's most important. And, pastor Willie, if I may, because I just was reading out of Psalms, chapter 62. Absolutely, and I want to read two verses Verse 1, and this is a Psalm written by David, and verse 1 says I wait quietly before God for my victory comes from him. And verse 1 says I wait quietly before God for my victory comes from him. But then, when you get to verse 5, he says let all that I am wait quietly before God for my hope is in him.
Speaker 3:So when all?
Speaker 5:of us, our whole being, can become still. It reestablishes our hope being in God. We realize that he's our Source capital S. There is no other option, and so I say it all the time because I believe it to be true. It's like being on an airplane the pre-flight talks that we have to get any of us that have been on a flight. The flight attendants walk us through all the drills, but they say, if ever the oxygen masks descend, we have to put our oxygen mask on first before we can provide assistance to our children, loved ones or whomever may be sitting next to us.
Speaker 5:This is the same thing. In wanting to come alongside to help others, we have to have established healthy rhythms so that we can support them as they are discovering their own, Because they may not be the same, but God will reveal to them what theirs are.
Speaker 1:That's so good, ms Sonja. I love that. So I just had this thought too. In talking through self-care, one aspect of it is rest. But you know we're multifaceted beings, you know we need rest. But I finished rereading the book the Emotionally Healthy Leader. I think that's just a game-changing book. If y'all haven't read that, get that book, the Emotionally Healthy Leader. When I think about care, part of it, I think, is also sometimes having to do deep dives and examine parts of our lives that may be incomplete or there may be some hurt there, maybe some fatigue, some pain or maybe even some lies that we're believing about ourselves or about others or about God himself. So I just want to throw this open to anybody that wants to answer. But I'm looking over at Tiff Thinking through self-care. So we're mind, body and spirit. So how can we incorporate self-care holistically? Rest is a big portion of it. But what other ways can we really care for ourselves so that we can care for others?
Speaker 2:I think number one. We have to always remember that we are all children of a most high God Like we are all his children, that's right. So he sees us all, he loves us all. He has created us all purposefully. None of us are here on accident Right and just sitting in that you know like we get to love others Like we get to see that in others, but like it's you too you know, like it is me too, I am a child of God, like I am valuable in this kingdom, you know.
Speaker 2:And just sitting in that, because sometimes we can get an outward focus instead of just remembering like, okay, he cares, I'm here too.
Speaker 3:Yeah, right.
Speaker 2:And then just knowing yourself and just always reevaluating because seasons change people change you know, maybe you're like your purpose is changed, Maybe, maybe what you're doing has changed. So if you're always stuck in the same thing, like nope, this is where I was called, this is what I do, this is how I rest. Like it's going to get stale.
Speaker 3:It's going to get stagnant.
Speaker 2:So I think, just having questions that you ask yourself like you know, why am I? You know, like I mentioned the dishes, I know when I get overwhelmed, my house tends to get messier, Like if I'm looking around and I can see like oh, there's a laundry, but like I get over and it just kind of piles on itself. So I know, like if I can see it getting worse, I know like I need to take some time and take care of this, because it just compounds on itself.
Speaker 2:So I kind of know that cycle with myself, like I know that's where I'm at. So it's knowing yourself.
Speaker 5:It's knowing where you're so good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, when you're. What happens when you start to get stressed?
Speaker 3:out or like.
Speaker 2:Pastor Bo had said like others, maybe you know having people in your life that kind of call that out and are like, hey, I noticed you've been a little bit more irritable lately.
Speaker 3:Is everything okay Wow.
Speaker 2:Have people in your life that aren't afraid to say that to you especially if you are irritable because you might be like I don't know what you're talking about you know, but but have people around you that you know we're going to say that and that you allow to know you that way. Be vulnerable with people, um, with the right people with the right people.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and don't, and don't be afraid to allow your spouse to speak, right. Yeah, I hope Rachel ain't listening to this.
Speaker 1:You know she's right now. Hey, man, yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean it's got to be people. You know love you and you know, hopefully your spouse is high up on that list. It's hard to receive that from your spouse. It is, it is.
Speaker 4:But they're the ones that see it the most. Yeah, they're around you more than anybody else, because they're going to pay the price for it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're going to pay the price for your correct and health. Yeah, and your children will too, and they will too. Now your children.
Speaker 4:Hopefully aren't correcting you on that well, sometimes they can.
Speaker 1:My kids they have.
Speaker 4:They got the migraine sometimes they can, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:I can remind you real quick I was going to say God will use children. He will and then I have to remind them real quick. I don't see your name on none of these bills.
Speaker 2:Hush it up and go clean that kitchen.
Speaker 5:Well, even just the temperature of your house.
Speaker 2:Is that a little bit of pride, pastor Willie? Yeah, I mean, I've always noticed.
Speaker 3:We'll pray for you, we'll work it out in pastoral care I'm on your Q&A.
Speaker 5:Uh-oh, uh-oh, he's already got his appointment I that's so true what Tiffany said. That's why community is important right. Because, even though we're talking about this and it is important that we really schedule time for ourselves it means that we can also have good, healthy, community, safe people that help us along the way. So we are never meant to do this life alone. Even though we can have times of solitude with God, he's never asking us to live a life of isolation. So those are two different things. Rest is not laziness.
Speaker 3:We get to be intentional.
Speaker 5:We're intentional about a lot of things. We need to ask ourselves why we struggle with this, because what I can promise is our God does not. And if we invite him in. He'll reveal to us how necessary it is for us and how we would be better off because of adapting our rhythms, that's so good.
Speaker 4:As you were saying that I think laziness. This is my definition. Laziness is with no intent to do anything Like you have no intention to do anything in your future. You're not pre-planning, you don't have an agenda. But true rest has an agenda that's scheduled into your calendar.
Speaker 5:Gotcha so good.
Speaker 4:That and again I'm stealing from John Mark Comer again.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Shout out. But I think also rest includes prayer.
Speaker 3:Sure, at some point Absolutely Rest with no prayer.
Speaker 4:I mean that's meditation at best and I don't even think I think you can have meditation with God. I think the scripture she just read and I'm going to butcher it, that silence aspect of it, I think that is good. Solitude, you know, being quiet before the Lord. I think that's really good. I think that rejuvenates you, I think that helps you hear from the Lord. I think we need to have that as a part of our daily rhythm, from the Lord. I think we need to have that as a part of our daily rhythm. But I also think you know again that intentionality. There's no shame in resting with intentionality. It's when you have no intentions, when you have no plan. That's true laziness.
Speaker 5:All right, Pastor Bo.
Speaker 4:Come on, that's the word right there.
Speaker 5:I like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're right. Yeah, I mean when we rest, we're doing so so that we can continue to remain effective.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's really a productivity break. Right, I'm working, I am being productive, I'm being industrious, I rest and I recharge, I refill so that I remain productive? Absolutely Again. You know, again I went on vacation for a week. Well, the intention wasn't to say, oh, I'm just going to go on vacation, I'll come back whenever I feel like it. Or I'm going to come back and say you know what, bo, I don't feel like being a discipleship pastor. You got it. No, so that I can remain in my role here at LifePoint Church and remain effective in that role. Yes. So your point, laziness, yeah, laziness has no end in sight.
Speaker 1:There's no horizon for laziness which is why it is a sin, because God doesn't call us to that.
Speaker 4:He actually calls us to be effective, and the reality is you can go on a vacation and never rest.
Speaker 1:True.
Speaker 4:Now, that's true.
Speaker 1:People have said often I need a vacation from my vacation.
Speaker 3:Well, that means you did it wrong.
Speaker 4:You didn't do it right, there's a difference between a vacation that is so I can go on a vacation and go hiking and do all these things outdoors and it rejuvenates me. But it'll wear my wife out, okay, because it doesn't do the same thing for her.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so going to the beach, sitting at the beach, relaxing, sitting there staring at the ocean for seven days, doing nothing, rejuvenates her, that's true. Rest for her.
Speaker 3:Absolutely. That's not rest for me.
Speaker 4:That's just boring. That's boring After the third day of looking at the ocean. I'm like Lord. What are we doing here? My Lord, let's get in the ocean, Come on, Fish something out of it or something so you can really. You can go on a vacation, you can never and never have never have rest.
Speaker 4:You can go to the lake and never have rest. Yeah, I've noticed people at the lake. I'm just being real. Can I just go on a tangent? Real, go ahead on a tangent. I've noticed people that go to the lake and they work as hard as they can getting the house packed, groceries, everything they do. It takes so much work to get to the lake to rest, quote, unquote. And then you got to unpack it all and what I have found is the other people that come visit you at the lake. They get to rest, come on, but you're the one doing all the work.
Speaker 5:That sounds a little bit like Martha.
Speaker 4:You got to understand that sometimes what you think is going to be rest actually isn't rest at all.
Speaker 1:You're preaching now, brother. I got to get my organ going. Where is it at? I didn't hear it.
Speaker 3:You're still working on it over there.
Speaker 4:Just like Alabama football technicalities.
Speaker 2:Don't get the organ out now. You got to get the wall.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm preaching bro.
Speaker 5:That was good though, pastor Bo, because it's so true, I think sometimes we aren't as gracious to ourselves as God is Right, and I think we really struggle with that and again, I think that's a tension point.
Speaker 3:Pastor.
Speaker 5:Willie, but it's so important for us to learn that it's not even balanced, because I don't think we ever reach this place of balance. Right this place of balance. But I believe we can just adopt new rhythms and we can learn to be gracious to ourselves and put ourselves on the calendar, and we will be better for it and the people in our lives will reap great dividends because of it. And so, yeah, we can do better.
Speaker 1:So let me ask the both of you this, pastor Bo and Miss Sonja. For those of you who don't know, miss Sonja is our pastoral care director and she does an incredible job. I think we all would agree in this room, even our camera, especially our cameraman, jacob. Come on. So you know, here at LifePoint Church, you know we do, obviously, pastoral care, we take appointments and things like that. And so, as you are talking with people who are coming in frustrated, becoming in fatigue, becoming overworked, becoming stressed, angry, confused, how do you help them land the plane at that place of rest? I read this quote years ago. It said when work is your guide, then rest becomes a sin. When work is your guide, rest becomes a sin.
Speaker 1:And all this conversation that we've had, I thought to myself that's why rest feels so unnatural, because we're serving the wrong God Culture, the God of hustle. He only says more, but Jesus says rest. So you know, in these pastoral care sessions, because you know you only get so many sessions with people, so how do you help them matriculate through God's word, through these promises of rest, like, where do you start with someone like that? They come in and they just, I think God's angry at me. I think God's word through these promises of rest, like where do you start with someone like that? They come in and they just I don't. I think God's angry at me. I think God's this, I think God's that how do you help them land a plan on rest?
Speaker 5:I think. First and foremost, I want them to feel safe enough to really be real and vulnerable, because that's the only healing that we can receive when we are authentically who we are Right. And so there's no shame, there's no condemnation.
Speaker 3:Amen.
Speaker 5:You know we're safe in his care. But oftentimes I start by asking people if they believe God loves them.
Speaker 3:Mm.
Speaker 5:And it's amazing that so many of us are his children. We have said yes to Jesus, but we still struggle with really accepting and living confidently within God's ability to love us. And so oftentimes I'll read out of Romans, chapter eight let's read verses 31 through 39. If God be for us, who could be against?
Speaker 3:us.
Speaker 5:No one who accuses you. No one Can anything separate us from the love of God? And so I like reading it from different translations because it kind of brings a different feel to it, because a lot of times that's our very struggle we're striving for the wrong person or Right. Or thing to love us. But when we can rest in his love, it shifts everything. And so I then ask them about their rhythm, their spiritual rhythm.
Speaker 3:Okay, okay, tell me Okay.
Speaker 5:What does your week look like? Where do you see God?
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 5:How do you do life with him? You know, and sometimes that's foreign and that's a great place to start, because we can simply start. But we need to spend time with him, not to learn of him, learn about him. The information, to quote book chapter verse All of that is great. But are we getting to know our God, His character, that he's trustworthy, that His love is unchanging?
Speaker 5:Nothing can ever separate us from the love of God that he really is for you. He's not angry with you. That's good. And repentance is a gift. Yes, it is. I love that. You ain't even got to think about it, you ain't even got to pray about it. You ain't even got to pray about it. But it's very true. I had a lot of conversations that repentance when we realize that maybe we've fallen away, we get to repent and start again. And he's faithful and just to not only forgive us, but he cleanses us.
Speaker 5:So, we get to start fresh. So, stop looking back, let's start. I think Pastor Stephanie said it yesterday so well. Let's start today moving ahead. And that's what we get to do even in this space. And so it's really the more we incorporate God, the better off we'll be. And not just for head knowledge. We're talking about heart knowledge, heart knowledge. That will bring about a transformation that really does start within. Again, referencing Romans 12, verses 1 and 2.
Speaker 1:That's so good. Come on, Pastor Bo. You got your hands folded there like a wise old sage.
Speaker 4:Well, it's the first time anybody's ever said that about me, anybody's ever called you wise.
Speaker 1:huh yeah, praise God, but I'm getting a little wisdom.
Speaker 4:You got some wisdom.
Speaker 1:You got some grace coming, coming through. It's coming through, come on, it's a crown of glory, it is. So I wanted to kind of wrap up, just, you know, thinking through practically and you had teased it out, pastor Bo, about ways that you care for yourself. Practically speaking, ms Sanya, I wanted to toss it to you and then back to you, pastor Boat, in ways that folks can practically care for themselves. Well, so, ms Sanya, what are some ways that you care for yourself that you can keep being the amazing leader that you are?
Speaker 5:I schedule it Okay and I'm intentional about it Okay and I had to pay attention to rhythms that work for me Right. Some time ago I used to try the evenings.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 5:Until I found myself reading the same verse seven and eight times. My lid's getting heavy and I closed the Bible. You're right, I'm going to try it again tomorrow.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 5:And I really thank God for helping me to realize I could do it differently. So I get up, yeah, yeah, and I get the solitude, I get the silence. I don't have to have the music that can be great, but sometimes just to be with him is more than enough Because he's always wanting to speak to us. We just have to create the space and availability to really be ready to hear.
Speaker 3:That's great so.
Speaker 5:I'm intentional about scheduling it and I safeguard that. That, yeah, that's great, so I'm intentional about scheduling it? Yeah, and I safeguard that.
Speaker 1:That's good. That's good being intentional, but then also being protective.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Of it as well. Terrific Tiff. What are some practical ways that you self-care?
Speaker 2:I think it's just shifting how I thought about it. Okay, I love how Miss Sonia uses the word with so many times and not for you know, being with the Lord, Because I think we can.
Speaker 2:You know I think Pastor Stephanie even referenced you could do so many good things, and they're not necessarily God things, but you're trying to like I used to think I had to earn his love, so resting in him felt like being lazy, it felt like I wasn't doing anything, Like okay, God, what's next? All right, it's been five minutes, what's next? You know, like, what do you have for me?
Speaker 3:Right, right right.
Speaker 2:Maybe he doesn't have anything for me that time. He just wants to spend some time.
Speaker 3:Come on.
Speaker 2:So if I look at it as spending time with the Lord, I'm setting aside distractions, sure.
Speaker 3:I aside distractions.
Speaker 2:I'm setting aside my to-do list, I'm setting aside all of the things and I am just resting in that, Whether it is in prayer or just taking some time to just relax and rest in the fact that I am loved by Him, whether it's going to do something that I enjoy just knowing that if I'm going to do anything with him, I need to be filled.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to. You know, and I know you hear all the time you know you're not going to pour from an empty cup but you're not, you're not. And it is with intention to be filled up. So you know, I do, I do love to. I had a friend that used to call it this and I love like being your own best friend.
Speaker 2:Okay, so she's like you know I'm going to do this tonight, even though I'm tired. I'm going to get my dishes done and get that load of laundry put away, cause I'm going to be my own best friend. I don't want to wake up in the morning and be like I've got all this stuff to do you know, so it's like caring for yourself. I'm going to get this stuff out of the way and.
Speaker 2:I'm going to wake up feeling like, okay, god, you know, good morning. Not like dragged down by this to-do list, and not that it's a hustle, because I do think, like culture, there's such a tension in our culture to be hustling and to be self-focused. But then when you look at the church culture, it could be the opposite, where focusing on yourself and self-care is selfish when it's not. You know, you just got to do it with the Lord. Yeah, and you got to do it, you know.
Speaker 1:That's great.
Speaker 2:Not with your own focus.
Speaker 1:That's so good.
Speaker 5:I wanted to read a quote, if I may.
Speaker 5:Absolutely yes From a book called Margin the Overload Syndrome by Richard Swenson, and it says he says God does not have to depend on human exhaustion to get his work done. God is not so desperate for resources to accomplish his purposes that we have to abandon the raising of our children in order to accommodate him. God is not so despairing of where to turn next that he has to ask us to go without sleep five nights in a row, that he has to ask us to go without sleep five nights in a row. Chronic overloading is not a prerequisite for authentic Christianity. Quite the contrary. Overloading is often what we do when we forget who God is.
Speaker 3:Love it.
Speaker 5:Man who was that? By Richard Swenson. The book is called Margin. It's an older book, wow.
Speaker 1:It's an older book. Y'all grab that book. Margin by Richard Swenson. Richard Swenson.
Speaker 2:The book is called Margin. It's an older book.
Speaker 1:Wow, wow, it's an older book, y'all grab that book yeah, margin by Richard Swenson, and get a highlighter.
Speaker 5:And get a highlighter. Yeah, right there, man, that was good. Yeah, that was powerful.
Speaker 1:I thought that would sum up in a nutshell pretty much what we're talking about. So, practically speaking, one of the things I love to do is cook. Pastor Micah told me this years ago as a matter of fact, he told me this when I first got on staff because I'd seen him in his office one day and it looked like he was making a wallet, a leather wallet. I was like, hey man, what are you doing? He's like, yeah, I'm leatherworking. And I was like, oh okay, and I thought he was doing it like to sell, because you know, he's like Pastor Bo, he's a very enterprising kind of thinker like that. But I don't know if y'all know this like Bo is like the consummate businessman.
Speaker 3:Yes, he is Dreamer, he is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's a visionary for sure, and so. But he told me he said it's just a habit that he picked up. And one of his mentors told him when you work with your mind because most of us really do work with our minds here, when I really do a manual you need to relax with your hands. And he said he knew it was a hobby because he told me, he said he didn't care if he got better at it or not. The goal wasn't to improve and be the world's best leather maker or worker.
Speaker 1:It was just it was a way to de-stress and I thought, man, that makes a lot of sense. Again, for those of you that don't know, in my prior life I was in construction. I used to build things. I was an iron worker by trade, so I used to do nothing but work with my hands. So coming into ministry is different for me. So I'm like, yeah, so like cutting my grass, I love doing that. Pushing along more, riding along more. I love doing that. I can de-stress, I, I'll go over my day, I pray. I absolutely love doing that, working on my car. My dad, he was a mechanic in the Army for 25 years so he taught me how to turn wrenches and I just love being out there. I'm not trying to figure anything out. A lot of times I'm just saying, oh, let me take this apart to see if it needs to be replaced, and then cooking, just anything, where I'm following my hands and I'm not chef.
Speaker 2:But that mac and cheese be smacking Right If you ever feel like that mac and cheese be smacking.
Speaker 1:Thank you, brother, to your point. I do enjoy doing it but, again, I'm not trying to improve, I'm not trying to be the best at it. So there are those of you that work with your minds. You need to relax with your hands. Those of you that work with your hands, you need to relax with your minds.
Speaker 3:Listen to a podcast.
Speaker 2:Read a book.
Speaker 1:Reading a book. That's going to be a great way to care for yourself. Some other practical ways is I just have a short list of 15. Oh, I'm not going to read them all, though. One thing is to take micro breaks, so this is something that is just taking short breaks throughout the day. You can stretch, you can breathe deeply, step away from your workstation, step away from your work environment.
Speaker 4:For a little bit. Yeah, if you work with your mind. Take 10 minutes, do 10 push-ups. Yeah, a push-up a minute. Come on now. I mean, hopefully you can do more than that, right? I'm just saying that's a great idea, though I've done that before. I just need a stretch, need to do some pushups, right, absolutely, get you one of those desks that elevate Come on somebody.
Speaker 5:That's what I do. Change your environment too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, one thing I do, I love, and I've been convicted of this, like even here in our office there are people parking lot while you're taking a phone call. Yeah, you can get a mile in quick, right. So that's two birds with one stone. But, just like you said, you're changing your environment and that's helpful. It does wonders for your mind, it does wonders for your clarity, for your thing, it does wonders for your spirit, for your heart. It's refueling and refreshing. It doesn't feel like it, but your inner man, your inner woman is being strengthened as well.
Speaker 1:You had mentioned it earlier healthy eating, healthy snacks. Some of us just need to clean up our diet. How about this one y'all? What about this? A digital detox, set aside a time every day to unplug from all technology, from all devices. I call my phone my electronic leash, all devices. Yeah, you know it's. I call my phone my electronic leash. This is a leash. Can I get an amen from somebody? Man, this thing is, I mean, I feel like it's just sewn into my hip Sometimes.
Speaker 4:sometimes I feel like it's the devil. Now I have to rebuke.
Speaker 1:You have to rebuke and I know my wife does Right, so we have to do a digital detox sometimes which is going to be hard. Yes, ma'am, I think people need to know.
Speaker 5:So I don't think you need to start that Right With great stretches of time. I think you need to start. Maybe give yourself 20 minutes, the very first time, absolutely and actually put it in another room. Right, yeah, and then maybe work up to 30 minutes. Yeah, do that incrementally. Right, and then maybe work up to 30 minutes. Do that incrementally so that you really are leaning in. This is supposed to be life-giving, life-producing.
Speaker 5:It is not supposed to cause undue stress, and so we understand, when you have littles at school, that you want the school to be able to contact you, but I promise God is where you cannot be, and so 20 minutes away is okay. 30 minutes away is okay. I'm going to date myself because I remember leaving home People really didn't have cell phones, right, and there was the old fashioned answering machine. You call people's homes and you didn't's right, you know what I'm saying, and so you don't even realize what you're missing, because this has become so.
Speaker 5:we're just, we're conditioned to it. I got to have the phone all the time. I'm answering emails, I'm responding to texts right away.
Speaker 3:Right. But no, you get to be present, right where you are, and I heard someone say a long time ago be where your feet are, and oftentimes we are not.
Speaker 5:We are not, our feet are in one space, but our minds may be a week down the road planning something yeah.
Speaker 1:That's great. That's why I think the dinner table is a great time.
Speaker 2:Like hey, we're here as a family, like intentionally.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:That phone, you know yes.
Speaker 1:No, that's great. That could be another form of self-care there. Yes, being with your loved ones at the dinner table together, pouring in with one another hey, how was your day? My day was great, or laughing, being silly, playing a board game together. That's a form of self-care.
Speaker 4:And that's even where you can do family devotion.
Speaker 1:Yes, read a scripture real quick, absolutely hey what do you think this means yeah?
Speaker 4:Ask your kids Right or even share what hey? This stuck out to me today when I was reading scripture. I think that's one of the best places to do like a family devotional is at the table Right.
Speaker 1:Ms Sutton, you had alluded to it the planning being organized. Some of y'all just need to organize your life. Get you a planner and put things on the calendar, make you some lists, organize things based on priority and importance and knock those things out.
Speaker 4:Let me say this too, and this is maybe for somebody that's a business leader owner Maybe you need to invest into hiring somebody that helps you with that Come on, it could be the greatest investment you make. Come on. Pay them well to help you organize your life.
Speaker 5:Pastor Willie, I know I kind of shared about the pre-flight talk that we get when we board an airplane.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 5:But you asked me about women that I get a chance to sit in the room with, and oftentimes when they're sharing, I ask them how's your breathing? And even when I ask that first, it seems odd, but what happens when abnormal rhythms become normalized is we're not even breathing correctly. God is good and he's sustaining us, but it isn't necessarily healthy, and so, even when you reference the micro, breaks breath as prayer is a wonderful practice that you could do anywhere.
Speaker 1:Anywhere yeah.
Speaker 5:Just learning to take good deep breaths. All of us know what it feels like when anxiety is trying to overtake us yeah. You know, when we're feeling pressure, that if we could pull back enough just to be still and really breathe, that's good. Take two or three deep breaths, come on and really believe. There are devotionals built around this.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 5:But you could really take the 23rd Psalm. The Lord is my shepherd.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's good yeah.
Speaker 5:I have everything's good. Yeah, I have everything I need. Come on, that could carry you throughout the day.
Speaker 1:That's so good.
Speaker 5:And so breath as prayer is something you could do in the car.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 5:You know when you're waiting to be called back for an appointment, but it helps you to really be more present. Yeah, that's good disappointment, but it helps you to really be more present.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's good, First with God and then right where you are, because oftentimes we are not where our feet are.
Speaker 1:That's a good quote right there. Come on, I love this. This is so good. Well, listen as we close up. I just wanted to toss it to everybody here in the room and see if you guys had any final thoughts regarding self-care. Pass the ball, start with you, we'll work our way around.
Speaker 4:I think we've said a lot. I think you just got to do it. I have Nike polo on, I have Nike socks on, I have Nike shoes on. Just do it, just do it.
Speaker 1:That's all I got to say. I love it, miss Sonia.
Speaker 5:If you don't know where to start. Schedule a care appointment.
Speaker 4:It's good.
Speaker 5:We have many people on our team who would be great to sit in the space with you to really give you the opportunity to talk through what your life's rhythms are and you get to allow God to meet you so that the rhythms that you adopt are yours, to meet you, so that the rhythms that you adopt are yours and they really will refresh you and cause you to encounter.
Speaker 1:God in fresh new ways.
Speaker 5:This is personal. It's not one size fits all.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's so good. And, for those of you that are listening, you can schedule a care appointment here with us at lifepointchurchtv slash care. I had to help you out, brother. Thank you, brother. I'm here for you. Thank you. That's at lifepointchurchtv slash care. I had to help you out, brother. Thank you, brother. I'm here for you, thank you, Thank you. We fist bumping in the studio, miss Tiffany, terrific, any closing thoughts.
Speaker 2:I would say, yeah, schedule that care appointment and then don't be so hard on yourself.
Speaker 5:Absolutely.
Speaker 2:If the things that you try at first don't work. Right, you know sometimes I have people that say, like, go, just go take a bath. I can't, I'm not a bath, I get antsy in the bathtub, I'm like I got to get out of it. It's gross, I don't know. I can't just sit still that long and not be doing so, I don't know. Anyways, it works for some people Like I'm just not a bad person.
Speaker 1:I love it If you know like.
Speaker 2:I know that does not relax me.
Speaker 5:I don't just want to sit there Like but I want to shower and get out and do something else. You know, it is true, you have to find what works.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, so don't put yourself in somebody else's box and like think that's going't work for me. Find what works for you and give yourself some grace and some time to find that and schedule that and once you have it scheduled, be consistent with it and be flexible, you know?
Speaker 4:Yeah, to that point. I'm not trying to be a bodybuilder when I lift weights, right?
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's not my goal. My goal is to be healthy for myself. That's great.
Speaker 2:So do.
Speaker 4:I think Arnold Schwarzenegger like he looked really great as a bodybuilder, but I know I'm not ever going to look like that. Right, Right and I'm okay with that. That's really good. You have to be okay with where God has you right now, with the small changes that you're making right now. Be okay with that and know that those are big victories for you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's good yeah.
Speaker 5:One step at a time. Come on Invite God in.
Speaker 1:Invite him in.
Speaker 5:We don't have to overthink anything.
Speaker 1:That's it.
Speaker 5:We get to ask the one who created us.
Speaker 1:He knows how we're wired and if we give him space, he will tell us where he'd like to meet us and it will work for us. That's so good man. That is so, so good. Psalm 91, I believe it said yeah, when you call to me, I will answer. When you call, I want to invite anybody listening here. Maybe you start there, like you said. Start there with reaching out to the Lord. Say God, I need help. God, I'm struggling. God, I feel like I'm drowning. God, I feel like I'm overwhelmed. I feel like the building is on fire. I feel like I don't know which way is up. I don't know who to trust. Just call out to him and then he will answer. It's okay.
Speaker 5:And God, I don't know if I trust you because life has been so hard. Be honest, God. Where?
Speaker 3:are you?
Speaker 1:at on this I got an issue with you. He can take it. He does not have a fragile ego and I'm thankful I got a fragile ego, ms Sonja.
Speaker 5:I'm a ego maniac. It's not as fragile as you're trying to say. I know Amen.
Speaker 1:We had a care appointment earlier this morning. I was already on the calendar. She's taking me through Empower training y'all. She's taking me through Empower training.
Speaker 4:Y'all.
Speaker 1:And it's good. It's good training. First of all, it is it is really good training.
Speaker 4:Some good donuts too. That are just mine, man, there's some delicious donuts Care Care.
Speaker 1:Yes, ma'am, it was caring. Let me tell you something I felt the glutenides and the sugar I did. It's the fourth quarter, it's the fourth.
Speaker 4:It's the fourth quarter, but what about the good information? Yes.
Speaker 1:The nuggets the nuggets were great. The nuggets were really, really good in that training. Yeah, it actually was.
Speaker 4:It really was.
Speaker 5:Not literal chicken nuggets.
Speaker 4:No.
Speaker 5:But golden gems G-E-M-S.
Speaker 4:I will say real quick one of the nuggets that I got you could forgive somebody without reconciling with them. That's right, and I thought that was really good. That's a good nugget.
Speaker 2:And that's actually a form of self-care? Yeah, it sure is.
Speaker 4:And that really spoke to me this morning. I needed to hear that.
Speaker 5:Well, forgiveness and reconciliation are two different things.
Speaker 1:Right, right yeah.
Speaker 5:And I think we need to create the space to have those conversations.
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 5:But forgiveness is for us.
Speaker 4:Yeah, those conversations right, but forgiveness is for us? Yeah, it is. It is Because and I'll tell you I can give more context to it, because maybe it'll help somebody I've reached out to somebody specifically over the last, I think it was two weeks ago. They've not reached back out to me, like I've not responded, and I'm like. I just want to them to know like hey, we're good, I'm good, I have no offense, we're good.
Speaker 4:They just haven't ever responded back and I'm like, hey, I'd love to take you out to lunch, I'd love to do this, yeah. And so this morning they helped me just process through some of those things that I was going through, like man, like where do I stand, you know, do I text again?
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:You know, and I think at a certain point you've got to know you're right with God. You've extended forgiveness to them and the ball is in their court, absolutely, and if they pass it back, you'll be ready to receive it. That's great, and if they don't, life goes on and you can move on. That's great.
Speaker 5:But I think it's a whole different way of looking at that. I love what you said. It's so true, but I think that we just get to honor God with being obedient which it sounds like we did. And we get to trust him with the outcome.
Speaker 1:Amen, that's so good, full stop.
Speaker 5:Full stop.
Speaker 1:That's good.
Speaker 5:It's not even on them. No, it's not about the other person, it's about us, absolutely, and our right relationship with the Lord. That's it, full stop.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you did what God called you to do and I'm looking on this list here, and that is one of the ways we can. Self-care is just boundaries, yes, managing expectations. I'm not requiring any more or any less of this person. That's right. I'm going to love them right where they are. I'm going to treat them right where they're at, and that can be safe. Somebody needs to hear that Some of y'all y'all just need to set boundaries. That's how you're going to care for yourself. You just say yes to everything and I'm telling you right now, by the Holy Spirit, some of y'all need to just set some boundaries. That is the best way you can care for yourself. Everybody repeat after me Say the word. No, you can say it, you're allowed to say no.
Speaker 4:Say it in a different language, absolutely no.
Speaker 1:No, Nine. Yeah, there you go. You don't have to say yes to everything. You can set boundaries and that's part of that forgiveness piece too.
Speaker 1:Some of you, you can forgive, or you can apologize and just set the boundary and say hey, listen, I forgive you. This relationship, the shape of this relationship, has forever changed. The dynamic has changed, but I do forgive you. I've canceled the debt against you. I've dropped whatever rock that I have. I'm going to stop pursuing justice, and even some of y'all I'm going to stop pursuing vengeance. That's okay. Can I give you permission right now, though, as a pastor, to go ahead and care for yourself by setting a boundary Absolutely.
Speaker 1:You don't have to let that person back into your life. That's okay. You'll see him in heaven.
Speaker 5:And if I, I would like to say cause I know you love to give resources Good Boundaries and Goodbyes by Lisa Turker is phenomenal.
Speaker 1:Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 5:The whole premise of that book is learning to love others without losing the best of who we are. We should not be in any relationships that cause us to lose the best of who we are, not from a selfish standpoint, as Tiffany said earlier, but as a son or daughter of God yeah, come on. He wants us at our best.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 5:He sent his best for us to be able to live a free and healthy life. Yeah, so let's be in pursuit of that.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Come on, so so good. Hey, listen, thank y'all so much. Miss Sonia, pastor Bo, appreciate you. Tiffany the Terrific, seriously, thank you all so much for jumping in today. Man, I am full. I don't know about y'all, I'm full.
Speaker 5:I am too. I've been rocking back and forth because it's been so good.
Speaker 1:Amen. Come on Well. Once again, I want to thank everybody for tuning in and spending time with us. If you're a guest with us and would like to know more about our church and our ministry, you can find us online at wwwlifepointchurchtv. You can also follow us on Instagram at LifePointChurch, or you can follow our creative social media at LifePointCreative. Hey, do your boy Cousin, willie, a favor. Share this podcast with your friends and family, leave us a review. You can even email us. However, we can serve you. We are here for y'all Until next time. It's your boy Cousin with the terrific Tiffany. Oh yeah, thank you, miss Sonia. Thank you. Thank you, pastor Bo.
Speaker 4:Appreciate it.
Speaker 1:Love y'all, grace and peace out.
Speaker 5:God bless.
