Military Action, Moral Outrage, and the Texas Primary

This week, Carmen and Andrea dig into a chaotic stretch of news: U.S. military action in Iran and Ecuador, the limits of the 25th Amendment, and the growing sense that the country is being run by people wildly unprepared for the power they hold. 

They talk honestly about the rage, exhaustion, and moral whiplash so many people are feeling as cruelty becomes policy - from border‑camp conditions to the normalization of violence and dehumanization. Andrea opens up about the emotional toll, and Carmen grounds the conversation in clarity, accountability, and the reminder that wanting justice is not the same as abandoning your own ethics.
The two also break down the Texas primary - James Talarico’s win, Jasmine Crockett’s grace, and the voter‑suppression tactics that signal what’s ahead for November. 

It’s raw, unfiltered, and deeply human. A conversation about power, consequences, and what it means to stay awake in a moment designed to wear people down.

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Transcript

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[00:00:00] Carmen: Hey, Andrea. How you doing?

[00:00:04] Andrea (2): Hey girl.

[00:00:06] Carmen (2): Sorry, I have to be a little fake and pretend we're just coming online. How you doing? We missed you.

[00:00:13] Andrea (2): Uh, well, you know what? You guys did a great job. I watched it the other day and I was like, she don't need me. Look at that.

[00:00:21] Carmen (2): Oh, we need you. We always need you. Um,

[00:00:25] Andrea (2): It was a great show I thought.

[00:00:27] Carmen (2): It was a great show. Right. And it's a little bit evergreen, I think. 'cause

[00:00:32] Andrea (2): I was like, me and Billy,

[00:00:35] Carmen (2): oh man. You know what you, here's the thing. You and him should just do the show without me. As long as I get like any income that may come from it in the future, I'm totally okay with walking away, you

[00:00:48] Andrea (2): they would just be like me and him going, exactly, yes.

[00:00:53] Carmen (2): I

[00:00:53] Andrea (2): a right. You know, like.

[00:00:55] Carmen (2): know, right? There would be no show. No. Like, um, but yeah. [00:01:00] But welcome back. I missed you and I do love Billy, and I think that was fun. And I think next week I'm not gonna mention, um, exactly what's happening next week, but I think that'll be fun too. You know, um, if that works out. So, 'cause that'll be a little bit different than the norm as well.

[00:01:15] Carmen (2): So, um, all right. Well it's so funny, I sent you a list of things we should talk about, and somehow I bypassed the entire war.

[00:01:25] Andrea (2): Carmen, it's a military action. Let's be precise. Yes, there are bombs and missiles and drones and AI guided, uh, you know, uh, targets including schools with small children.

[00:01:46] Carmen (2): Yeah.

[00:01:47] Andrea (2): is a military action.

[00:01:49] Carmen (2): Right. And, and, um, people in the United States, the military, um, we've had deaths and we've had many deaths on the Iranian side, but again, military [00:02:00] action, right?

[00:02:01] Andrea (2): Yeah, yeah. Let's not forget the, um, military action also happening now in Ecuador with troops on the ground. So we're taking it. We're like Mr. Worldwide over here.

[00:02:14] Carmen (2): I just, you know, like, I didn't really look into this, but it was, you know, like as I was sitting here kind of thinking about what we're gonna talk about in the show, what is the point of the 25th Amendment if we're not ever going to use it, isn't it the 25th amendment that would remove a psycho from office?

[00:02:33] Andrea (2): Well, you have to have, uh, a cabinet with people of integrity, which, you know, he like. When the adults were in the room during the first administration, we didn't have that at this point. Now look at who we've got in the cabinet. You know, Christie Nome and the fucking defense guy with the tattoos, and you know, like there's [00:03:00] nobody there.

[00:03:01] Carmen (2): I'm sorry, Andrea, I need to correct you. Pete Hegseth is the Secretary of War, right? He's not the Secretary of Defense. Can you imagine? Like even these little pathetic things like the Gulf of America, duh. You know, like all these stupid, they're just all imbecile. They're all incompetent. Iles.

[00:03:23] Andrea (2): It's all just indicative of like smallness.

[00:03:28] Carmen (2): in. Yeah, I'll say it's small. Dick Energy.

[00:03:31] Andrea (2): I mean, yes, that, but just like a smallness of character. Right.

[00:03:36] Carmen (2): Oh, I'm sorry. I thought we were talking about Pete. He

[00:03:39] Andrea (2): Well, I mean, yes, for sure there's that going on a hundred percent, but like overall, it's like I feel so small and insecure in myself that I have to like rage out and do these small petty things that I know are gonna trigger the libs and you know, whatever.

[00:03:58] Carmen (2): Somebody just wrote that on a [00:04:00] YouTube comment on a video, uh, that I posted. They were saying all the right things and then, and then they were like, but hopefully you won't fall into that, you know, lefty lib. And I'm like, I, I can't even. Deal with these comments, like being a lefty lib right now is where you wanna be.

[00:04:19] Carmen (2): I'm just saying like, that's where the cool people are right now. I'm sorry. I don't even know why you think that's a diss. You know,

[00:04:28] Andrea (2): if you care anything about humanity at this point, you are a left.

[00:04:33] Carmen (2): you're a lefty lip and, and, and you're so totally fucking woke beyond measure. You know, like I

[00:04:40] Andrea (2): okay.

[00:04:41] Carmen (2): I just don't get it.

[00:04:42] Andrea (2): Okay. I don't know. I,

[00:04:44] Carmen (2): Look, if you've lost Nick Fuentes, right? I sent you that fucking idiot who I would never promote at, and I'm not promoting him. He's a fucking idiot. But they've lost him. How can you

[00:04:56] Andrea (2): okay, so here's my take on that. Like it's drift, [00:05:00] obviously, right? But you have to look at like, I don't think there's some change in ideology or he's come to Jesus or anything, but if you look at,

[00:05:11] Carmen (2): Sorry, sorry that that saying of come to Jesus doesn't work anymore the way you think it does, but God.

[00:05:17] Andrea (2): you know what I mean? Um, but like it's clear that there's a shift such that like, it's all about money, right? Like the, those people are all about where can I get my money?

[00:05:29] Carmen (2): Right.

[00:05:30] Andrea (2): Right? And so far it's been like, you know, triggering people into anger and rage baiting and, and whatever. There's a shift now such that.

[00:05:41] Andrea (2): He has to side with dems and lefties and libs in order to make his money, right? Like this regime is so fucking unpopular, is so evil, is doing so many things that are just beyond the pale that the grifters now are [00:06:00] seeing. Like I've gotta shift.

[00:06:02] Carmen (2): That's.

[00:06:03] Andrea (2): That's where we're at.

[00:06:04] Carmen (2): No, and you know what, I, I totally believe that all those podcast bros, you know, that are the reason why this man is back in office again. I mean, there are a lot of reasons, but this kind of, it, it is the grift, it is the continual manipulation of the American people and giving people false reasons to be angry and hateful of black and brown people, or trans people, or anybody that they can.

[00:06:32] Carmen (2): You know, pigeonhole or whatever that word is, like, to make them the bad boogie guy. You know, the,

[00:06:39] Andrea (2): I mean like

[00:06:39] Carmen (2): the what?

[00:06:40] Andrea (2): Cat ladies,

[00:06:41] Carmen (2): Yeah. The cal, whatever it is. Like, I just like, they, they totally turned around and manipulated you. And, and, and the thing that kills me, Andrea, it's the, the people that keep doubling down.

[00:06:57] Andrea (2): Yeah.

[00:06:58] Carmen (2): Yeah. But anyways, whatever. [00:07:00] Okay, so the war with Iran, I'm sorry, the, what are we calling it? The military? The military action. Yeah, that's, uh, I don't really have much more to say about it. 'cause here's the truth about it. First of all, we all know we shouldn't be there. I mean, even Trump supporters know we shouldn't be there.

[00:07:18] Carmen (2): Um, but I, I don't even know enough about the politics of. Iran to speak on it brilliantly enough to explain why. I'm just being honest and I'm sharing that because look it, it's okay not to understand everything that's going on. Like I think that's the other part of this too. Like I am so sick and tired of hearing people talking on shit, and they don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

[00:07:47] Andrea (2): A hundred percent. I mean, I would say not to throw it out, you know, like you and I are pretty informed, right? Like we read and what. Whatnot like

[00:07:56] Carmen (2): We read. It's so sad. Like [00:08:00] that's a qualification now. You know? We

[00:08:03] Andrea (2): we read. Um, but I mean, like, I think we do our best to try to stay informed about what's happening, right. Um, and to try to be critical in, in understanding it, right. Um. And like you, I really don't know shit about Iran. I, I don't like, I have kind of a really basic understanding of some history of our involvement there, going back to like the fifties.

[00:08:27] Andrea (2): Um, but that's about it truly.

[00:08:31] Carmen (2): right.

[00:08:32] Andrea (2): And so to hear other people suddenly become experts, you know, these are the people who were experts in like. You know, public health and other things, you know, like the expertise just like rolls into them. I, I don't even understand. It's like, you know, uh, so to hear other people sort of spout off about it is like maybe slow your role and for you a book?

[00:08:59] Andrea (2): I [00:09:00] don't

[00:09:00] Carmen (2): Read a, read a book. Read, read something. Yeah. I, I think that's kind of also, you know, like I've, I've stepped away from people. It's not even a laziness. It's so disingenuous. Right? It's, it's not even that they're lazy, that bothers me. It's just, I don't know, just spewing hatred and spewing, you know, all of this performative, Donald Trump, blah, blah.

[00:09:24] Carmen (2): Shut the fuck up. You know what I mean? Like, there's no, like, I can't even deal with it anymore. And so I feel. Anyways, I don't know enough about Iran, and when I say that, I also know that means most likely no one in his cabinet along with him probably understand the ramifications. Like I feel very comfortable, and I said this with Billy last week.

[00:09:47] Carmen (2): The reason why I know we're in trouble is because I am absolutely 100% sure I would do a better job of running any one of these departments. I know I would. Than anybody who's in office [00:10:00] right now.

[00:10:00] Andrea (2): I run my kitchen better than these folks are running. The Department of Defense. The Department of Education, fucking DHS, I mean like, come on, come on.

[00:10:13] Carmen (2): Oh my God. Yeah. So we're, we're in a bit of a situation, so we'll just say that. Um, let's talk about some, about Texas turning blue, because that has never been talked about before. But were you paying attention at all to the, I forget his James Tele Rico and Jasmine Crockett.

[00:10:34] Andrea (2): no, I'll be honest. I knew that it was happening, but I wasn't, not like, that's all I know about it.

[00:10:40] Carmen (2): So James Teleco won, uh, the primary and, uh, I have to say I was kind of bummed. I like it. Look it, this is how our country should run. We should have the best of the best competing against each other. Great quality, well-informed, amazing human beings [00:11:00] where you don't know who to choose. 'cause they're so amazing, you know?

[00:11:04] Carmen (2): So I was really bummed because I really liked. Jasmine Crockett a lot, you know? Uh, but the really cool thing was, was of course, because they're both professionals, they're both brilliant. When James Tall Rico won and he gave his acceptance speech the following day, um, of course he was like, I wanna earn.

[00:11:26] Carmen (2): Your vote, those people that voted for Jasmine Crockett, my colleague, like the, there was no, this animosity and hatred and it was like, you, you know, you know they're gonna work together to, and she also put out a statement and also said she had called him and they're gonna work together. I miss that. Like I loved that.

[00:11:46] Carmen (2): And when I was watching him, 'cause at first I was like, man, I wish he didn't win. By the time his speech was over, I was like, I love him. And I'm just so glad. I mean, I had nothing to do with voting in Texas, but you know, just [00:12:00] these two, I miss that kind of politics, you know,

[00:12:03] Andrea (2): Well, it's a level of civility and professionalism that is, you know,

[00:12:10] Carmen (2): missing.

[00:12:11] Andrea (2): like sort of out the window lately, you know, because when it happens, it feels so like, oh my God, look what they did. And it's like, that's actually the way it's supposed to work.

[00:12:20] Carmen (2): I know. I

[00:12:22] Andrea (2): We're actually supposed to, as you said, be choosing from the best of the best.

[00:12:27] Carmen (2): Yeah.

[00:12:28] Andrea (2): Right. And then. In a democracy when you lose,

[00:12:34] Carmen (2): You are gracious.

[00:12:35] Andrea (2): You are gracious about, well, not, not even just gracious, but like, you accept it

[00:12:40] Carmen (2): Oh yeah.

[00:12:40] Andrea (2): and, and you, you know, you support the person who did win because that's what's good for the people in the country.

[00:12:54] Carmen (2): But that would be that you care about the people in the country, so it wouldn't be about your ego [00:13:00] and the fact that, again, we go back to that, you know, having, I keep saying small dick energy, but you know, just not being able, I mean, Donald Trump is still trying to re-litigate the 2020 elections. He lost, you know?

[00:13:15] Carmen (2): But here's the thing. The reason why the Texas thing is actually more important is because, and you probably didn't see this at all, um, but Jasmine Crockett, a lot of the voters, uh, that were going out to vote, uh, in the midst of it, were told that they couldn't vote at the place they thought they could go vote at.

[00:13:32] Carmen (2): And they had to be. I mean, and so here's the thing, I think that's a microcosm of what we're gonna see in this upcoming election for sure. Uh,

[00:13:42] Andrea (2): look, I think that's for me like. Honestly, I don't think Texas is turning blue,

[00:13:47] Carmen (2): I don't either. I don't

[00:13:49] Andrea (2): I think that that is the takeaway is they are going to make it as hard as possible for you to cast your vote. So you need, you, [00:14:00] everybody need to figure out your plan and make sure that your vote, that you get to vote, that your vote gets counted.

[00:14:07] Andrea (2): I mean, I know it's gonna be work, but that's what people need to do. We need

[00:14:11] Carmen (2): Here's the thing. They were also doing slimy things like sending out mailers, you know, information to people telling them to vote on a different day if they were Democrats, that was not the date of, I'm like, that's fucking lame. Like, I don't care what you believe, the idea that you're going to cheat on that level.

[00:14:31] Carmen (2): You know what I mean? Like just. I think that's what makes me so sad. So about the Texas thing, that's, that's what I thought was actually the bigger news item that people didn't talk about was,

[00:14:44] Andrea (2): I totally agree,

[00:14:45] Carmen (2): yeah. So, uh, I look it John Corny is. Say what you want about the man, but the fact that he is going against a man, like he's the Republican in Texas and they, they didn't have a 51 percentage, [00:15:00] whatever, so they have to do another runoff and it's gonna be two months and more money spent.

[00:15:04] Carmen (2): But the guy he's running against, whose name I don't even know, I'm like, what's his name? Paxton? Isn't he like a bad guy?

[00:15:14] Andrea (2): Uh, yes. Yes he is. I think he was the attorney general there and there were some, I don't know all the ins and outs, but I remember that at some point he probably should have been in jail, but for whatever reason was not. Um, so yeah,

[00:15:30] Carmen (2): Yeah. I mean, but this is what happens when we have someone like Donald Trump who becomes president even though he is been convicted and you know what I mean? Like this is kind of the whole,

[00:15:39] Andrea (2): debased us all.

[00:15:40] Carmen (2): it's to base us all. 

[00:15:42] Carmen (2): All right. Well, we've covered everything.

[00:15:44] Andrea (2): We've covered it. Okay, so let me, speaking of being debased, I've been thinking about this a lot over the last week because, so I thought I would bring it up here because

[00:15:53] Carmen (2): Should we explain what debased means in case someone doesn't know?

[00:15:56] Andrea (2): uh, use a dictionary, please. Um, [00:16:00] no, we shouldn't explain it.

[00:16:03] Carmen (2): Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

[00:16:06] Andrea (2): So. I'm in a dark place right now and I wanna explain to you like, I mean, I understand like, you know, we're all sort of in a dark place, but like, you know, I've been there for a while, but like a couple of things, you know, over the last week, I'm just gonna bring up this one that, um, I happened to see yesterday was, um, uh, Congresswoman McBath, Lucy McBath was questioning Christie Nome.

[00:16:34] Andrea (2): And she was describing the conditions at one of the concentration camps and saying like, you know, this person, this, uh, man, I, unfortunately, I can't remember his name, but, um, you know, he had to, in her words, crawl over feces and mold and, you know, human fluids, which I don't even wanna know what that means.

[00:16:54] Andrea (2): Um, in order to take a shower, right. Go through all of that to [00:17:00] take a shower and, you know, no is saying like, all of our facilities are up to the highest standards and blah, blah, blah. And I just was thinking like, this is what I want for them. Like, I want these people in like Alligator Alcatraz and Sea Cot and like, you know, and then I was like, actually, I, I.

[00:17:23] Andrea (2): I'm in a place right now where I want worse, like I actually want to see them suffer. Like a prison is not enough because I want to see the suffering.

[00:17:34] Carmen (2): Okay. You have to be clear, because I know you're emotional right now, but you mean you want to see Christie Nome? You wanna see Pam Bondy,

[00:17:41] Andrea (2): Yes, like everybody involved with this administration, I want what they are subjecting other people too, to happen to them and. That is troubling to me because that's not who I am. If you asked me do you wanna see people tortured, I would [00:18:00] say no. And I'm like, only, just a little bit kidding. Like I, and so I am starting to feel this sense of debasement of my own ethics, where like, I want, like this level of evil is so sickening to me. That like, I want the vengeance and I want, you know, like, like medieval capital punishment. You know what I mean? Like this is what I'm talking about. And you know, I am like anti-capitalism punishment. So like I bring this up because it's been troubling me, but also because I would imagine maybe some other people feel this way.

[00:18:39] Andrea (2): Like it's, it's seeping into who I am

[00:18:43] Carmen (2): Mm-hmm.

[00:18:44] Andrea (2): and that sucks. I don't know what to do with that. I'll just put it out there.

[00:18:50] Carmen (2): I think it's normal to feel the way you're feeling. Um, I'm putting on my therapist hat now, but I do, I I really do think [00:19:00] it's normal. I think the difference, Andrea, is that even though your anger is going there and you know that that's what you want, you want to see them suffer for the pain that they're doing to other people.

[00:19:15] Carmen (2): At the end of the day, you would never do it. You would never actually do it. You would never like, and I think that's where the difference is. Whereas, and I'm gonna throw it this way, people believed Donald Trump voted for Donald Trump and then watched people, human beings being dragged by ice, being thrown into cars, being treated like crap.

[00:19:43] Carmen (2): People being shot by ice. And cheering that shit on. You know what I mean? Like that's the difference. Whereas we were incense, like you, I know what you're saying. I, I want Donald Trump. You know, like people keep saying like, oh, I hope [00:20:00] he dies in office. It's gonna happen tomorrow. They won't say the die word 'cause it gets you off of social media or whatever.

[00:20:05] Carmen (2): But that's what they're saying. And I'm like, oh hell to the no. I want him to live through a ripe old age of like 102 with all of his sensibilities as he has them today and be in prison. You know what I mean? Like I want him to have to suffer the same injustice. Exactly what you're saying, but more important to me.

[00:20:24] Carmen (2): This is where I'm a little bit different. I don't give a fuck about that man, but all the enablers. All the Republican people, like for me, what you are feeling about those dumb asses, I feel about the Republicans who should know better and have allowed this to happen. Like I wanna

[00:20:42] Andrea (2): I include all of them in this. I include all of them in this.

[00:20:45] Carmen (2): Okay. Then there's no therapy to be had 'cause I'm on the same page, bitch. Like, you know what I mean? Like Yeah. I think it's a hard time. I think we have to walk through it the way we walk through it, but. Look it. I [00:21:00] think the real thing that differentiates us is that we wouldn't do that. We wouldn't actually put Christine Nome in a concentration camp where she'd have to walk through feces or whatever, and you know, like there was a picture of women in one of the concentration camps.

[00:21:18] Carmen (2): They were all like lined up trying to sleep right or whatever, and they're wearing diapers. Because there's no tampons and no, um, maxi pads or whatever they're called, like all of the, I make it sound like I've never used them. It's been a minute, but, but there's no hygiene things for women, sanitary napkins for women to be using when they have their period.

[00:21:47] Carmen (2): And it's an actual picture that somebody took that should not have taken it, but they took it. So, you know, and look, fuck the standards. This fucking bitch [00:22:00] is saying that it's up to, no, we don't house people in warehouses in concentration camps. That's not who we are. We're not Nazis. And clearly, and people get all upset.

[00:22:13] Carmen (2): This isn't that. It's not, it's the, this is the exact same thing. It's the exact same thing. We're doing the exact same thing. You might not like that it is attached to Hitler and Germany, but this is exactly the same motherfucking thing. We're taking human beings that we believe are less than us or don't deserve to be here or are have done something wrong by just mere.

[00:22:40] Carmen (2): Fucking existing and wanting a better life. And because of our system of not knowing how to fucking make immigration an easier thing or a better thing, we've now housed people, human beings in warehouses where they're sleeping like animals. That [00:23:00] is Nazi Germany. That is what happened, and I am, I'm right there with you.

[00:23:06] Carmen (2): I'm right there with you. Still at the end of the motherfucking day, I would never allow any human being to be tortured in that way. 'cause that's not who I am. And that is not what the United States of America ever should be. But we've done it before. Right? Let's not forget about the Japanese and the internment camps, right?

[00:23:27] Carmen (2): Let's not forget what we've done to the Tuske, Tuskegee airmen. Let's not forget what we've done with slavery. Like this is the fucking history of our country people. We're reliving it again because fucking people don't wanna wake the fuck up. I'm sorry. Did I just go a little too off there?

[00:23:47] Andrea (2): Thanks for talking me off the ledge, Carmen.

[00:23:53] Carmen (2): I'm happy, Andrea.

[00:23:56] Andrea (2): I'm in a dark place. Okay, now there's no [00:24:00] light whatsoever. Thanks.

[00:24:05] Carmen (2): I know. I'm so sorry. I dunno what just happened.

[00:24:09] Andrea (2): No, I look that's. That's it, right? Like there's rage, there's actual rage that I feel and like there is. I'm just owning up to that dark part of me that's like, fuck yeah, I wanna see these people tortured, you know?

[00:24:28] Carmen (2): Maybe what you have to do is just let it out. I feel better. I like, I just listen. I think that's also part of it too, right? We we're trying so hard to keep believing in the humanity of who we are, and then we keep seeing evidence to the contrary. I mean, that's kind of

[00:24:47] Andrea (2): I mean, like, I think, you know, we've, we try to hold on to these, these like points of light, you know, people who are doing good things and, and showing that humanity. [00:25:00] But it, it, and those are important. I don't wanna say, but you know, and there is a relentless onslaught of bullshit, of hate and, and torture and evil.

[00:25:15] Andrea (2): I mean, I don't use the word evil, but this is fucking evil.

[00:25:19] Carmen (2): This is evil. Yeah. Yeah. And now that he's using, I feel like he's using the military as a toy. Like they think this is. Fun or interesting or okay to do, to go to war and, and, and just keep bombing. I feel like they're just bombing places to bomb them. Right? Remember it started off with all of the boats that were like the whole Venezuela thing, like any boat, they were just bombing them.

[00:25:45] Carmen (2): And I'm like, when did we become so calloused? Like, just so another word people need to look up, you know, like when did we become these people who like just it look it. Again, I, I hate Donald Trump with an absolute [00:26:00] passion every day, every single day, and I. I do think part of the problem that's happening with a lot of, uh, people who are Democrats, left-leaning liberals, woke people, whatever the fuck you wanna call the people who are correct in this scenario, is that we don't know what to do with all that rage.

[00:26:19] Carmen (2): It doesn't matter how much we try to protest or we do whatever, but we have to keep doing it. We have to keep doing it. We have to keep doing what we need to do to get past this, and we have to figure out ways to make sure we vote in November because they're gonna do everything they can. And it's weird, all while trying to enrich themselves with billions of dollars, scamming the American people, making people hate each other and think that the real problem, like we've talked about this before, is like each other and not the billionaires who are just. Donald Trump is a billionaire from just this year being in office.

[00:26:57] Andrea (2): Yeah, that man did not have that much money [00:27:00] before he became president the first time.

[00:27:02] Carmen (2): He didn't,

[00:27:03] Andrea (2): all about enriching himself primarily, and all of the people around him who will be beholden to him for him, enriching them.

[00:27:15] Carmen (2): Can you imagine? What's that guy's name? Cash Patel, who went to the hockey, whatever. I'm like, that would've been a huge scandal. He would've resigned if it was anyone else, you know, that went to the hockey game at the Olympics. Thousands and thousands of American dollars to take a, you know what, it's just I, Hmm. I'm trying

[00:27:39] Andrea (2): It is hard because you want to call these things out, but it's also like the it there is a new one every fucking hour.

[00:27:49] Carmen (2): There

[00:27:49] Andrea (2): This is all we would do.

[00:27:52] Carmen (2): Yeah. How do we fix it, Andrea? How do we fix it all? Can you just answer that question

[00:27:58] Andrea (2): yeah, yeah. [00:28:00] I, I don't know. I saw something really briefly this morning. Um, and I don't, I truly don't know if this is the answer, but I thought it was interesting, and I have no idea who it was, but it was a, a woman. I think she was on TikTok. I don't know. Anyway, she was saying, um, that she feels like. The, the sort of grift and the hypocrisy and all of that is so strong that the, the, the pendulum swing will be towards like earnestness and kindness.

[00:28:35] Andrea (2): You know? I mean, if you look at, and I think she was specifically talking about Tyler Rico, is that how you

[00:28:39] Carmen (2): James Teleco. Yeah, I mean that is

[00:28:41] Andrea (2): um, and Mond, you know what I mean? Like she was just saying like, it. People are responding to that, people are longing for that and, and maybe that's the shift. So maybe like, I hate to, I hate to be this person because it's kind of, not me, but [00:29:00] like maybe we all just need to be more kind.

[00:29:02] Andrea (2): I don't know. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. I don't know what the answer is, but I do feel like we have to somehow desire and elevate. Honesty and integrity and, and you know, those kinds of things that are actually truly important to us.

[00:29:23] Carmen (2): I think there so. What I'm upset about is I don't want the pendulum to be the thing. Right? I mean, I get it. It's the idea that, you know, once something is so extreme this way, it inevitably has to go back to the other way. And that's kind of the idea. It's the pendulum For those people who don't know, um.

[00:29:43] Carmen (2): But for me, it feels like we as human beings should be more invested in doing the right thing all the time. Right? We should always be invested in trying to be the best we can be. And I think, I think she's right, but for me [00:30:00] that's not good enough. I, I don't want it to be because we've had such an extreme of pain.

[00:30:05] Carmen (2): Now we're gonna go the other way. You know, like, because it is about James Teleco and, um, Jasmine Crockett to a certain extent. This idea that she's kind, you know, she's very like in your face, da da da da da. And people are like, you know what? We don't want that anymore 'cause we're getting that so much.

[00:30:20] Carmen (2): But no, no, but she's right. She's just coming from a place of fire, right? It's kind of like the Gavin Newsom thing versus the Pritzker thing, right? Kind of people want to go back to a thing of where we just have civility and kindness or whatever. And what I'm saying is those people have been fighting this all along.

[00:30:39] Carmen (2): They have been fighting this since day one. Um, and I wish we were more. Fired up about being good and right and decent, and that it wouldn't be about the pendulum, but I do think she's right. I think, does that make sense?

[00:30:56] Andrea (2): I think that there are a lot of people who have been fired up, you [00:31:00] know, for a long time. Um, for sure.

[00:31:02] Carmen (2): Yeah. But now people are going again, like people don't want that anymore. You see what I'm saying? Like, that's what I'm afraid of,

[00:31:09] Andrea (2): yeah.

[00:31:09] Carmen (2): you know?

[00:31:10] Andrea (2): Uh, yeah, I don't know. I, I don't know if I see that, but, um, um. I mean, look, I, you know what, whatever you wanna call it, cycle, pendulum, whatever, like that's, that is just the way that it is right there. There will be a cycle where we move through this and you know, hopefully sooner rather than later, you

[00:31:28] Carmen (2): I know the thing that I'm pushing back on is the cycle part, right? Is because then it's like inevitable that we have to go through so much pain in order to feel so much okayness. And I'm saying as human beings, we can actually live in a place where there's actually more joy on a regular basis when we're actually doing the right thing and not being motherfucking manipulated on a regular

[00:31:51] Andrea (2): hope.

[00:31:52] Carmen (2): What.

[00:31:53] Andrea (2): I said one would hope that we can get there.

[00:31:55] Carmen (2): Right. But I, I mean, I see what you're saying, but to me, I'm just kind of, I guess I'm just going [00:32:00] all in the weeds right now. I'm just so disappointed in the United States, the human beings of the United States, uh, red states, what the fuck is wrong with you? You know, like at this point, how, you know, just, just being manipulated to begin with.

[00:32:14] Carmen (2): Okay. Whatever you get into the cult, okay? Whatever. You are now hurting, like, and, and some people are still doubling down and it's pretty, um, interesting. I will say this, I talked about this a little bit on the show with Billy is, um, it's interesting to watch people who were Trump supporters who have now turned the corner a little bit trying to, and.

[00:32:39] Carmen (2): There's different ways to do it. One of the ways is not to go on TikTok and talk about that you've seen the light, because everyone and their mother is going to come down hard on you. But it's interesting to watch that happen too, like just people who are like, I'm just going to keep my mouth motherfucking shut.

[00:32:54] Carmen (2): It's probably your best advice and make sure you go out and vote. You know what I mean?

[00:32:58] Andrea (2): Yeah, I, I mean, [00:33:00] we kind of touched on this before, like, we don't need your pronouncement. Okay. Like zip it, lock it, put it in your pocket and go do some work. You know what I mean? Like.

[00:33:09] Carmen (2): Right.

[00:33:10] Andrea (2): Nobody needs to hear about your come to Jesus.

[00:33:15] Carmen (2): I know, right? It's a, it it, it's a tough one though. And look, it, I don't, I was trying to think of a time when maybe I did something so wrong that I had to kind of, you know, save face and come back and the, the problem is, anything that I did that was so wrong didn't actually torture or kill other people.

[00:33:34] Carmen (2): So I just.

[00:33:36] Andrea (2): Pretty much only affected me.

[00:33:39] Carmen (2): Exactly. only like, you know, like I lost my job or something. You know what I mean?

[00:33:45] Andrea (2): I.

[00:33:45] Carmen (2): I like Right. My actions didn't affect thousands of other people, human beings, you know what I mean? So, and again, I'm not trying to be mean, but there is a little part of me that means like you, you have to get, you are fucking [00:34:00] due.

[00:34:00] Carmen (2): You gotta take. You can apologize. You can say you did the wrong thing. You can admit that it was a mistake, but then be ready to hear some people be a little pissed off about it. You are like, that's part of it. You gotta take the hits now you gotta be able to take it and be like, all right, this is my punishment for the mistake I made.

[00:34:21] Carmen (2): I'm sorry. That's how

[00:34:22] Andrea (2): did that and like what, you know, have some contrition and, and be focused on how you're gonna do better.

[00:34:31] Carmen (2): Yeah, seriously. If it was me, I would be like, you know what? Fuck Donald Trump. I've been saying that under my breath the whole time. Nobody knows how you voted. Lie your ass off. You've been doing it the whole time, just. Flip it now. I don't know why. It's really interesting to watch some of the people, I think people have stopped doing it 'cause they're just getting roasted.

[00:34:52] Carmen (2): You know what I mean?

[00:34:52] Andrea (2): Yeah, I mean, I guess like, I'm just trying to think of like, what would I wanna hear from a three time Donald Trump voter. I mean, and you know, the answer [00:35:00] to that is absolutely fucking nothing. But, but you know, if I did have to hear from them, I guess I would want to hear them talk about. What they've learned.

[00:35:11] Andrea (2): Right. What have you learned here and what are you going to do with that? Um,

[00:35:17] Carmen (2): it's not about, at least not at the moment, it's not about what they've learned, it's about now it's affecting them personally.

[00:35:23] Andrea (2): well, I know that's what I'm saying, like I'm not going to hear that because I don't think they learned anything. But that's the only thing that I would want to hear is.

[00:35:33] Carmen (2): Right,

[00:35:34] Andrea (2): I thought this, and now I see the light. Um, and now I understand I was misled. I wa you know, I, whatever. I had these thoughts in my head, like, I wanna hear that.

[00:35:48] Andrea (2): I don't think any of them are saying that, or, you know,

[00:35:52] Carmen (2): I mean,

[00:35:53] Andrea (2): or in a place of that learning.

[00:35:54] Carmen (2): I think some will get there. I still have faith in the American, United States people. I do. [00:36:00] I I, I,

[00:36:02] Andrea (2): She said so strongly.

[00:36:04] Carmen (2): I know there was a time I really said it strongly. It really does make me sad. Like I really, it's so painful. I know, but I still have pain a little bit I think. I think for me it's. Listen, when we told you you were misogynistic or you were racist, or you know, and you got defensive about it because you don't wanna hear those words.

[00:36:29] Carmen (2): I think for me it's, it's for you to actually understand what it means to be racist and to be misogynistic, doesn't mean that you have to be a bad person. When you reject it, you become a bad person. But if you could actually do the work and be like, how is it? I was misogyny. I don't even know what that means exactly, like what did I do as a person to come across as racist or misogynistic?

[00:36:55] Carmen (2): When you start doing that work, when you start understanding what that means [00:37:00] for you, we can actually move. Forward. And it's kind of like the thing with racism, you know, people get so offended to be called racist and it's because you won't let it settle to understand what it means, you know? And again, it goes back to what we were talking about the beginning.

[00:37:16] Carmen (2): Like we don't know our own history. We don't know our own history. And it's because as a country we have decided that what happens to black and brown and and Japanese Asian people and whatever is not as important as. We won, we win. We're this, we are that. And only white people get to be the story told and and that's not true.

[00:37:42] Carmen (2): It's not true. And it's not all bad for white folk. It's not all bad, but it's not all good either, right? It's like, but if we could embrace our real history, the amount of power we would have as a people would

[00:37:55] Andrea (2): Yeah, it's not all bad. We're all good for anybody.

[00:37:59] Carmen (2): for anybody. [00:38:00] Right.

[00:38:02] Andrea (2): I mean, I can point to a lot of Latino, you know, leaders and folks, you know what I mean? Who. Did not do right by their people. Like they're all over the place. Right. And it's just like you said, it's like the power in embracing all of who you are,

[00:38:22] Carmen (2): Mm-hmm.

[00:38:23] Andrea (2): all of your history and, and learning from that, looking at that and being like, okay, what, what happened here?

[00:38:30] Andrea (2): How can we be better?

[00:38:32] Carmen (2): Exactly. And if you know anything about South Africa and apartheid, I mean, I think that's when I started understanding the intricacies of learning about the full history. Of a country and what it means for a people. Right. And like the whole Nelson Mandela thing, and Deur, and I mean, this is like, and I know I'm, I'm talking to a very different audience, but I'm just saying it's kind of that same thing.

[00:38:57] Carmen (2): If we could just, you can look at Nazi Germany, but [00:39:00] everybody's so touchy feely about it. But Germany is a much more powerful, insane people because they didn't turn around and say, Nope, that didn't happen. You know what I mean? They didn't, they what? I had nothing to do with that. I wasn't here back then.

[00:39:18] Carmen (2): That's not me. That's not what Germany, the country has done. And it's like, for some reason in the United States, we're just having a difficult time of it. And I, I, I'm gonna say it over and over again, it's because we don't know our history that we are in this situation today. Yeah.

[00:39:38] Andrea (2): Watch those history documentaries. People

[00:39:43] Carmen (2): Or read or read them.

[00:39:46] Andrea (2): definitely first choice. Read second choice. Get yourself on, you know,

[00:39:52] Carmen (2): right. Or you could exactly look it. If you are, look, watch them. Look, here's the great thing. Next week hopefully we're gonna have a great, [00:40:00] uh, guest on the show and, um, I'm looking forward to it and we'll see, uh, if that might help some people

[00:40:06] Andrea (2): excited. I'm fangirling about it.

[00:40:09] Carmen (2): I fan girling about, I'm fan girling about it too, I guess.

[00:40:13] Carmen (2): I dunno. But um, but yeah, everyone, thank you so much for hanging out with us today and, um, you know, I don't know. Let's keep our spirits up, I think. Are you okay, Andrea? Jui? Feel better now that we've had

[00:40:25] Andrea (2): be okay. I've, I've released

[00:40:29] Carmen (2): He released. Thanks everyone. And remember at the end of the day, it really is all about the joy. Bye everyone.

[00:40:36] Andrea (2): hi.

[00:40:38] Carmen (2): That was funny. I'm sorry.

[00:40:40] Andrea (2): Oh my God.