Sports Charcha

S2 EP3 - Is 40 the new 30?

February 18, 2022 Season 2 Episode 3
Sports Charcha
S2 EP3 - Is 40 the new 30?
Show Notes Transcript

Is 40 the new 30? What makes these sports stars continue to excel beyond the so-called age-limit? Well talking about age-limits, CSK continued bringing the Uncles’ army together in the latest IPL Mega Auction. Who bought cheap and who got caught into the Auction Dynamics?  NFL a sports event or one of the greatest entertainment shows ever?  Whereas in European football action, ManCity continues to dominate EPL and interesting top of the table races in Italy and Espana! Let's go!

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Is 40, the new 30. What makes these boat staff continue to excel beyond the Socalled age limit? Well, talking about age limits, CSK continued bringing the uncle's army together in the latest IPL mega option. Who bought cheap and who got caught into the auction dynamics? Is NFL a sports event or one of the greatest entertainment shows ever? Whereas in European football action, Manchester City continue to dominate EPL, an interesting top of the table races in Italy and Espana. Let's go.

Participant #1:
Hello and welcome to Sports Church season two, episode three where we are not just going to talk about sports updates, but we are going to do something different. We are going to go deeper into certain topics related to sports. Now before we get into all those details, let me welcome Ishan to the show. Hi guys. Sorry for the long break we've had but we're really excited to get this episode on the way. I know you guys are going why there are no new episodes. So we will begin this with apologies from both of us. I was busy with the IPL auctions. I was doing something for the auctions. Issa right now has a lot on his lap. But here we are back again with a fresh new format with a fresh new episode to entertain you guys. In fact, a lot of strange things have happened in the last two, two and a half weeks. And the strangest thing was I watched a Super Bowl game. Yes, I did watch the finals between Rams and Bengals. Or should I say Rams and Bengals. Anyways, I watch something that I never understood at all. I don't understand the sport. I don't understand NFL at all. In India it's called Glorified hopscotch. Basically hopscotch we are. But yeah, anyways, it was a fun game. It was a fun game. I was trying to watch it completely like someone who's absorbing this entire content in one go because there was a lot going on. I mean this has been going on for a very long time. Nfl fans, people who watch NFL exactly know what I'm talking about. But yeah, I got to understand the game a little bit. I got to understand the pointing a little bit. But yeah, I'm still like one out of ten when it comes to NFL knowledge. All I know is the two teams who played were Rams and Bengal. I have a weird conspiracy theory that NFL wanted to show this in India, this particular Super Bowl in India because the names of the teams were Rams and Bengals. It is Rams by the way. But if you said Ramsey, make it religious conversation, you can Bala. But I think that's a very interesting point you make. Bengals and Rams playing the Super Bowl final. I think it was a great game. It turned out to be quite a clincher with the Rams winning it at the end. I have to say Rams, right? For this episode. Okay, the Rams winning it at the end. Odell Beckham Jr. For people who do not know, has had a quite tumultuous career in the NFL. He started with the New York Giant, took probably one of the greatest catches you will ever see in sport. And then he never had a Super Bowl medal to claim for his legacy. He moved to the Rams controversially after having a failed season with the Browns last season. And he's now a Super Bowl champion. Unbelievable effort. He's definitely going on now that he has a ring on his hand. In a way, he's going to definitely go down as one of the greatest wide receivers in the game. Great, man. So that's good. And for those who are ardent Arsenal fans, you might know that the one who owned Ramses or Rams or Rams is Stan Crow Inca. And especially for all the EPL Club fans like Liverpool, Manchester United and Arsenal, who are American owners and have this feeling that your club has been given that Foster kid kind of a treatment. My recommendation is when you present the EPL trophy, present it to the owners. These guys love to receive trophies in front of an entire crowd. I found it weird, but I know I don't understand the logic behind it, but tickets their way of doing it. Even in an NBA, you see the owner being there when the trophy presentation happens. I don't know how it happens in MLB, but definitely NFL and NBA. The two biggest sports in America have their owners receiving the trophy. It's an American thing, Bala. If you look at the MLS as well, if the owners will get it. Also, I think it also goes down. If you look at the team size of an American sport, look at baseball, look at NBA, look at NFL, American football, and the average match day, there are about 26 to 27 people in the matchday squad. Imagine how long a medal ceremony would be if that was the case. Unlike in football, where they just give it to the starting eleven and the coach and the management staff. So I think that could also be one of the reason. But you're completely right. Super bowl. I think even if you're not a fan of the sport or you don't know anything about it, watch it like a movie because it is actually, I would say, other than probably WrestleMania, one of the greatest shows, entertaining shows on Earth. Like this year's half Time show, right? One of the biggest plugs of the Super Bowl is the half time show every big person in the music industry praised to be invited to perform. And this year, because it was in La, it had the West Coast hip hop Legends guy who I was born listening to, Dr. Dre, Eminem, 50 Cent, Snoop Dogg, everyone performing. And it got goosebumps for me because, like my childhood memory back. And I think I did that with 40, 50,000 people in the Stadium as well. I think it was very smart thing, as you were saying, to present it on Hot Star this year because American sports, these guys are businessmen, right? These guys know that the biggest market is Asia. And what better way to start getting the taste of it by showing up a Super Bowl game with Rams and Bengals and the greatest hip hop line up. So it was amazing. Congratulations to the Rams. I think let's segue to another sad story. Not a sad story, but probably one of the most successful, if not the most successful careers in sport, Tom Brady. But he obviously been playing the sport for about 24 years. And his career has been divided into two parts, twelve years each. And in twelve years each is seven super. I got seven. So four Super Bowl Beach. So it's unbelievable. Probably most historic career in sport. And he finally called it quits this year at the age of 41, 42. I used 44, actually. Yeah. And it's unbelievable. Did you read a bit about Tom Brady and his career? Of course, the only thing I know about NFL is Tom Brady. I mean, this guy is truly a legend. As you said, he has won seven Super Bowl champion, three time MVP. He's been selected to the Pro Bowl record 15 times, retired at the age of 44 at the peak of his game. He was not winning. In fact, he won the Super Bowl last season. So truly an amazing career, an amazing legend, which indeed provides a nice segue into our first topic to discuss. So we have been witnessing this for a while, not just in NFL, but across various ports. In fact, to give you an example, 2012, when Federal won the Wimbledon, everyone thought that this is it. He's going to retire. He's won the Championship that he loves the most. He already had the record of winning the maximum number of Grand Slams. So he's going to retire. Great fever, wonderful career. What a legend. Awesome. But here we are in 2022, still talking about the possibility of Federal playing one more Wimbledon and not just playing one more Wimbledon, entering the Championship as one of the favorites, if not the favorite, at least one of the top five favorites. Now this is where we are going to discuss now in this Millennium, in fact, post 2000, we have seen more and more examples of sports personalities, sports athletes who have managed to continue to play at the highest level even beyond the age of 35, 36. I mean, we have tons of examples. We can talk about this Christian ornando there is Roger Federal, others, in fact, Nadal, Jokovich, Francisco, Doty. In fact, our such intelligent look at Leander Pays, Tom Brady himself. We just talked about who retired at the age of 44. So what do you think are the major factors, other things that has made these players to play more at the highest level. I think there are two parts to it. One, obviously, is the advancement in how people players are taking care of their health. Right. If you look at LeBron James, he's 38 this year. He's still dominant, still in the top three best players in the NBA right now. And he spends over a million plus dollars a year on his health, on his fitness. If you look at Christian or Ronaldo Chisel figure at the age of 35, 36. Right. But I think the biggest if you look at it, there are a lot of players who are still don't last more than 35. But the players who do have one thing that nobody else does, that's the mentality of winning. They're obsessed with it. Right. If you look at Tom Brady, Tom Brady could have called it after his third or fourth Super Bowl, and he would have still been the greatest of all time. But he won three more after that. Lebron James probably could have said, I won my fourth and third NBA title. He would still be one of the goals of the sport. Same with Ronaldo. But they're obsessed with winning. They're obsessed with being competitive. Because if you look at the likes of LeBron, if you look at the likes of Ronaldo, I'm giving you those two examples because they really stand out in our discussion that they come from nothing and when they come from nothing and they work so hard to become something, it's very difficult for them to let that go. And automatically that mentality has enabled them to continue winning and continue being successful. So while I agree health and fitness has taken huge grown leaps and bounds, but we only talk about the guys above 30 who are still in the top tier of sports. We don't talk about average to below or above average who are at 35 and above. Right. Because they're very few. There are a lot of great players who retired at 40 because they are either injured or they lost the passion for the sport. But if you look at Martina Nabratilova, Raphael Adele, Roger Federer, LeBron James, Tom Brady, all of these guys kept winning. They're still winning. Right. So that's what sets them apart, the mentality as well as the fitness going hand in hand. And obviously, just to end the point, I think it's also the proper dedication to the sport. Like they don't have any distractions if you look at it. Yeah, absolutely. I totally Echo what you're saying. In fact, I would like to pick one thing that you said. I want to continue on. That the one that you're talking about when you said Christianoido and LeBron James came from nothing and this is all they have done in their life. So I remember when Suchin was retiring, such an out of the age of 40, when such in was retiring, when I think Hasha or someone was asking what was going through your mind when you starting to think about calling it quits? He was saying that this is all I have done ever since I was six, ever since I was six or ever since I was seven. Playing cricket is all I have done in my life. So now the fear of letting it go actually made me continue to play that game for a long time. Because if I don't have cricket, I'm suddenly like, I'm looking at my life and going like, what do I have now in my life? So it takes a lot of time for these players to come out of it, try to understand the life outside the game. And obviously at one point of time, they have to call it quits. So to find the right time to get out, it's really, really great. I'm not saying great. It'll be like, really an awesome experience to go through as a professional athlete. It's almost like a Dystopian shot. Shank redemption, right? You've been doing the same thing for so long. You don't know anything outside what to do if it ends. And I think that you're very correct with such an example. I think all of these guys feel that way. True. Just another player. I would like to bring it a notice. One who I thought was very inspirational in terms of inspirational playing for a longer time was Leander Peace, someone I really looked up to. But yeah, like, talking about Leander piece reminded me of that documentary I saw was The Breakpoint or The Breakpoint about him and Mahesh Buputi. It was a good show, but yeah, Leander Peace made it was a little annoyingly dramatic throughout the entire show. So that kind of made it a little tough to watch. But other than that, it's actually a good watch because Lean Dupes and Mahesh Pupati, where the thing in the late 90s, when country had someone like such intelligence, it was Leahdrippers and Mahesh Bupati who were dominating the sports news in India. They were that big. And when I say in the 90s, someone is bigger than such an in sports, you have to understand how big that I'll tell you a funny story before we segue into the next topic. I used to play tennis when I was a kid, and I was pretty good. And I remember in Amdabad, where I used to play, there was ATP tournament very new in India. Gouran Nivana Switch had come to play, and all the players in the Academy were chosen as ball boys. And so one of the finals was Gouran Evans, which was Lee and Peace. And I was this fat chubby kid wouldn't give two shits about being a ball boy. And I remember I was on Leander Peace's side, and I dosed off leaning on the wall, and suddenly I got a tap on my chest saying, hey, kiddo, do you mind if you give me the ball? I need to stop sorry to disturb you. And that was the end of it. And I had a dog, a golden retriever at that time and called Agassi because I was Andrea Agassi Buck. And that was the year Leander Page had a big tip with Andre Agassi in the US Open November deal. And so my mom asked Leander that could you write an autograph for my son and my dog? Lovely. I will. What's your dog's name? So my mom said deliberately Agassi autograph, saying all the best wishes to Ishawn and Agassi listeners, Ishan, please take a photo of it and send it to me. We are posting this on social media. This is a great story, man. This is a very lovely story. When was this? This was when I was like six or seven years.

Participant #1:
Awesome. What a great story. Van, on that great note, we will end this section and in the next section we will talk about what happened in the IPL mega auction.

Participant #1:
So moving on, guys. I think all of you have the IPL auctions in mind. And I think this brings us to something very interesting that Bala was doing all of last week and more. And one of the results where we can blame him for not having the podcast. He was doing a lot of number crunching, Bala's numbers on building up analysis, predictions for how the auctions would potentially look like it was a really cool project that I was privy to. I saw a lot of data points that obviously I didn't understand, but because Bala made it, I thought it made sense. So Bala, before I ask you pointed questions about it, I want to know what was your thought process building this out? How did this idea come up to you? Just talk about, talk about the experience. So I always had this fascination about how I feel options, valuation works in terms of how teams value a player or a set of players based on their strategy. And I got to know from one of the leading sports analysts in the country that none of the franchises look into data when they go to auctions. So most of the time, pretty much all the time there is no database logic that justifies paying, let's say 15 quarter to your art sing or whatever, 1616 quotes, whatever they paid for, Chris Morris, et cetera. So that kind of got me a bit going and I really wanted to explore this more and see how can we bring in a bit of data and a bit of process to value a player, at least to give a range to see how much a player is worth in terms of minimum and maximum value. So that's when it started, I started collecting data. I started looking into I started Googling. I started looking at Internet for free copies. I'm not going to do this for money because I was doing it for myself as like a passion project, kind of stuff. So I did find some interesting data. There are sites that give you data, revenue wise, et cetera. So I collected T 20 international and T 20 domestic data for the last six years across venues, across face of play. Like I had batting data, bowling data during par play, during midlovers, during death overs, venue wise, form wise, etc. And so all this data were pivoted across various factors. And based on all this, I estimated the minimum and maximum range of players value. And I have to say it did come out really well. And many players, to my surprise and to many surprise, many people's surprise fell within the range. I was suggesting amazing. Meaning I saw your tableau sheets about valuation. They were really cool. I think all of our listeners, I think one day when Bala you should make that data public. You can also check it out. I'll share the links in the footnotes. Awesome. I think that brings me to the interesting part of it. Now that the options have happened, people have painted, people have resurrected and come back to do the auctions again, I'm going to ask you questions based on what your thoughts on the options were. So let's start with the funding. The interesting one, who do you think was the smartest pick? Which player do you think was the smartest pick? This IPL option. Now this is a mixture of both data and a little bit of personal bias. So this is not purely database answer what I'm giving. So the best pick for me bargained by has to be David Waner. For me, I thought Dele was extremely smart to pick him at that rate. Someone who is red hot right now, someone who can drag a team to success, who has done it more than once for a franchise and for his country, a leader, a bond leader, someone who can inspire people around. So I thought that to me was the best bar game pick of all. David Warner. Yeah, David Warner is the best pick by Daily. Del back home, as you all know it's first in the IPL was daily. Who is the most overvalued pick over valued? Wow. Okay, this is again a lot of data, et cetera. But then I thought one Indu Hasaranga was too much. And I also honestly thought Isshankishan 15 crosses way too much for a player who is just a wicket keeper. 15 cross was a little too much. But now this is where the Holy grail of auction dynamics comes into picture. So while I was following these auctions, right, I was completely immersed in it. I had a laptop in my hand. I had an Excel sheet open every time when a player comes, I kept punching the data, punching the details. I was tweeting first day I was fully on social media. I was tweeting throughout starting from eleven till next six. And I realized that social media is not a very great place to be. There a lot of random negativity going on there. I got a little too much of it. Two people started, oh, man, I don't know, strictly they're existing. But if an SR made those initial blunders in their decision, they didn't buy a play for a very long time. If you remember, people started posting tweets like it just felt, I know I can just ignore all this and move on. But when you are in it, right, it's a little difficult to get out of it. So that's when the second day, I'm not going to be there. So, yeah, I was doing that. It's a dark place, my friend. It's a dark place. Yeah, that's why I didn't do that. So when you see a player, when he comes out first, you think that this player could be five crore value, six core value. But when you pass on the player and we get that player back again later, that player will look more valuable to you. And this I realized with CSK a lot, because by the time when someone like Raul de Vatya came in for the bid, CSK didn't have a lot of players, a lot of core players. So suddenly Raulthio will become more valuable to CSK than any other team around. Now that's when I started thinking like, how can I bring this into the model? How can we build an auction dynamics? And that will be a fascinating challenge. And that's where I'm actually planning to continue my work on this. I'm going to build something that can predict the auction dynamics that will be brilliant to work on. Got it. I think now, since you're very passionate in the essence of time, I'm going to make this a rapid fire so that you don't give me explanation. Just give me an answer. Because I forgot the last answer to the question. But okay, quick, rapid fire. Without looking at data, just on what your thought was. Smartest option in terms of a team like, which team do you think is the best? My pick will be Deli Capitals. I thought they were very good. Their strategy was very clear. They didn't get into an auction fight. Probably one or two players. I don't remember much, but pretty much many of the players, they went in early and they got out early too. Okay, worst. Worst is a tie, I would say between Mumbai Indians and CSK. I'm saying it's worse because the data didn't suggest they did good, but they have done it the most number of times. So you will have to trust their instincts and their process at some level. Okay. And in terms of we were talking about this, there was an insane amount of quality in the Unsold section, which I'm sure they will be acquired midway through the season, as it always does. But which two players, in your mind were real big surprises that they weren't bought by any team. My first thought was Steve Smith. I still I know he hasn't had a great time with Australia for a while now, but I still think Steve Smith are too close, at least at base price. I'm not saying fight for them at the base price. Steve Smith Two Crow will be a very valuable addition and surge China especially. Let's say if you are a new team like if you have a team that hasn't won IPL, someone like Suarez, China within the dressing room talking to players around will be a very valuable addition. I think that's why also something picked

Participant #1:
that will be a good one. I must add with bias attacks. I think KKR moving for was a very smart place. Yeah, it was amazing. That was a good play by us. Yeah. Who do you think? I mean, as a KKR fan, where do you stand? I knew for a fact that we'll go hard for Cumins and I'm very happy we got him back. I'm happy that we got Sharias here. I'm okay with Rani because Rani had experience and he leveraged about 2034 game in the IPLAN that he might not give you 150 strike rate. But the player I'm really excited about in matching the world is Brevis Jr. Abd. Very excited to see what he does because he's almost an unknown entity for the world. Right. People have only seen him in the World Cup and seen him as a competitive analysis of Abd. But as we all know and have loved Abd over the years, Abd Williams, it's a huge act to follow. It will be very interesting to see how he does. My Indians, I agree with you are very poor in the way they planned out and thought about the options. I don't know what strategy they had in mind, but they are still Mumbai Indians and as long as they are with Sharma they are going to be favorite by default. Just to add to the Mumbai Indian points, especially with regards to the purchase of Deval Brewers. Mumbai Indians have always done this. They've always invested heavily on the next upcoming talent. That's how they picked up Karen Polar. That's how they picked up players like Corey Anderson. There was Richard Lee, B Maxwell, some has worked, some hasn't worked. So it has always been a hit and miss for Mi. So that's why, as you rightly pointed out, I'm also kind of looking forward to seeing how Bruce response to this challenge because that will be very interesting thing to watch out for in this IPO. I'm excited for Joffra Archer and Bahama opening the bowling though. That's not going to happen. That's not going to happen this season anyway. So we'll see. Moving on. All right guys, that's about it for the IPL mega auction. In the next section, we will do a quick roundup of all the European football action and some cricket too.

Participant #1:
Hello and welcome back to Sports Searcher. To the Speed point section. We will quickly start with EPL round of updates now last weekend we saw Manchester City, City and Liverpool marching their journey towards Liverpool won their game against Burnley. It was a very tough game. One away win, three points and Manchester City, they were just Manchester City, they just bulldozed. Norwood City for Raheem. Sterling scored a hattrick. Manchester United once again went ahead initially went into the half time with a one lead coming back and once again conceding within two minutes of the beginning of the second half. They do their game against Southampton. One one, but that's not where it ends. Looks like no team want to finish on fourth because Tottenham lost to Wolves. Lost is an understatement. They got bullied by Wolves. It was a mixture of happiness and sadness to see Antonio Conte in the sidelines, so that was a little fun to watch. And West Ham almost lost but again got a point against Lester City. Arsenal without having to kick the ball this entire weekend turned out to be the actual winner of this game week in APL. Also, there are some interesting shake ups going on the relegation zone. I mean, Watford looks nailed on getting relegated, but you have Burnley, Everton leads, even Brentford could get dragged into it. So in the next two to three game weeks have an eye on the relegation zone. Also, there's going to be a lot of movers and shakers. There now Ishan let's quickly round up what happened in the land of Espana. So a lot happened in the land of Spain. Benzema. Real Madrid drew with Villarreal in a boring game but still remain top of the table. They started first time for the first time since August. Quite a miracle to see him on the pitch. Benzema. Sorry. Atletico Madrid, as usual, cannot stop Conceding goals. They won a dramatic four three game with Getafe with Hermosa who was very famously bullied by adamantra last week with Barcelona scoring a 93rd fourth minute bicycle kick to give them the win. By the way, quick facts. They have now conceded more goals already than Simone has in his last eight season with Atletico Madrid. And this is not even like we are not even like 60% over the season. Bad beyond scored equalizer for Barcelona. The guy who never gets any credit hit upon Barcelona has seven strikers and the guy who everyone says is the worst is constantly rescuing them and he did the same in the Catalonia Dabi against Espanol. Espanol actually delivered the victory, but Barcelona will thank the lucky stars to escape with a point which gives them some hope and actually confidence to fight for that fourth position as we speak. So we have granted out a very tough two nil victory against L Chase so they remain four points behind Real Madrid. It's going to be a tough fight as we know because there is a severe realm of game pending this season as well. So that's my quick summary of La Liga. It's getting really exciting. Oh, sorry. We have a new League leader. It's the other side of Milan. It's the red side of Milan. It's the Rosanneres who are now on top with 55 points. Yes, there has a game in hand obviously. But as it stands, Milan are on top of 55 points because the number two are number three team. Well, they were number one and number three before the week started. Inter and Napoli drew their respective game. Inter has been having this problem throughout the season. They are not able to get through the line when it comes to big games. The only team they have defeated in the top four, top five is only Napoli now against them. Also they drew they lost in AC Milan last week in the Milan Dabi. So their position is getting slightly trickier and in fact they are going to play Liverpool now in this week in the Champions League. So Interseason can go from awesome to awful in no time. They'll have to be very careful next three, four games. In the other big game, Juventus and Atlanta, they also drew one all again, Urete are now on fourth after making all those big signings. It looks like it's working for them. They are again two points ahead of Atlanta. But again, Atlanta has a game in hand. So very interesting. The top three, it's not top two, it's actually top three. You cannot consider Napoli just because they are Napoli. Yes, I understand people have been following and watching Seria for a very long time. When they see Napoli in top three, they know that they are going to slip up. But there is a feeling, there is a feeling that this Napoli could be different. So very interesting race going on in Syria. Keep watching for that. The only highlight I have for Bundesliga is that buy and lost and they got trashed wallop by Bokham 42. In fact, it was four goals in the first half itself. But that didn't scare Levandowski away because he scored the two goals. So even when buy and lose, Lewandowski scores one. But they are still way behind buying in the Bundesliga. So not too many things that have changed, but buying lost to the beginning of headline. All right guys, that's it for today. In fact, I have to say this time we had even more fun recording. In fact, this is the format we are trying to pivot into. We just don't want to be a podcast where you can get updates. We want to discuss both. In fact, that is the first and foremost reason why Ishaan and I wanted to start this podcast where we can go deep, talk about more about sports, how it means to us, and what various perspectives we can bring into the game. So that's what we are going to do. We are going to discuss more and more topics like this. Now, if you want us to discuss any topics. If you think that there is something that we can discuss, we can go deep into why don't you leave us in the comments section or you can follow us on Twitter on Instagram we are everywhere at the rate sports search, please find us click on subscribe, click on follow we will keep you updating you all the time. Now for all the Champions League fans tonight, the Champions League action starts again. Yes, we are recording this on Tuesday, 15th, February, 11:00 p.m. Ishan is keeping all his fingers crossed, even his toe nails and everything crossed for real Madrid. They are playing PSG that much is happening in about 2 hours time. If I'm not wrong yeah, in another 2 hours time. Another big game this week is the Liverpool intermittent and game that's again a massive game so watch out for all that now. We will come back again next week with more interesting topic to go and discuss. 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