Sports Charcha

S2 EP4 - Who is your Manager?

February 25, 2022 Sports Charcha Season 2 Episode 4
Sports Charcha
S2 EP4 - Who is your Manager?
Show Notes Transcript

Attack or Defend? Result or Process? Are these the basic criterias to define a coach or a coaching style and how do we see the biggest and the most successful managers/coaches across various sports? Man City’s ability to produce unlikely upsets have the EPL title race wide open whereas every top team in Serie A dropped points. 

US Women’s Soccer players changing the face of Women in team sports, Indian Women’s disappointing display in NZ, a 16yr old Grandmaster upsetting Magnus Carlsen and has the NBA All Star just become a celebrity event?  

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Participant #1:
Here's a God of the game. Attack or defend, result or process. Are these the basic criteria to define a coach? And how do we see the biggest and the most successful managers across various sports? Man City's ability to produce unlikely upsets have the EPL titles race wide open, whereas every top team in series are dropped points, there was women's soccer players changing the face of women in team sports. Indian women's disappointing display in New Zealand, a 16 year old Grandmaster upsetting, Magnus Carlson and half the NBA All Stars just become another celebrity event. Let's go.

Participant #1:
Hello and welcome to Sports Church. We are back with another episode, another topic, but the same cohost Ishan Hi. Hey, guys. Hope you had a great week. We have a very interesting topic today. I'm very excited to talk about it with the ballster.

Participant #1:
Great. So we have a lot to talk about, as Ishan said. But we will start with the biggest upset of the weekend. In fact, in fact, I should actually say the second biggest upset of the weekend, the biggest upset of the weekend. We will talk about that towards the end of this episode and the speed point section. But the second biggest offset of the weekend is spurs defeating City. I feel this result defied a lot of logic, but if you actually look a little further, Conte actually had a very good record against Pep and Pep has a poor record against spurs in general. No, I think it was I saw the game. It was incredible. Very dramatic, obviously, with almost like an injury time winner by Harry Kane. Great game by Klisteski. He's 21 years old. I don't think he ever completed 90 minutes. He was pretty dead by the end of it. But contest kept him on and that made the difference because he had the last assist. But I think you're right in terms of like City has these games or I would say Pet has these games under his belt a couple of times this season where everything in a way falls apart. Like spurs came into this game with a horrible run. Nobody expected this and they pulled it out and it made the Premiership a little more interesting. Nobody thought it would be. But it's suddenly a little more interesting. Yeah. And Lowpool definitely have more than a slipping chance at the title. And even the top four race also become interesting. Like spurs, who are actually slipping away in terms of the top four challenge, suddenly become again one of the front runners to finish in top four. And to add to that, United had a good result. Arsenal had a very good result. Chelsea again had a very good result. So apart from Chelsea, 12456 are really interesting. Chelsea seems to be caught perfectly in the middle of these two chaos and has found that spot at number three right now. They're pretty safe there. Yeah. And I think Chelsea with the squad, I'm a little disappointed with how boring their football is. Meaning watching their games is a bit of a struggle, especially in the last couple of months. But they didn't look like they had a result coming against Crystal Palace, but a late goal I think got the three points they needed. But I think you're right. United finally had a result, but also Spores I think would be my favorite for top four because they've got so many games in hand. If they win those games, they're going to be quite clear on through into top four. But spurs are spurs. They're like the Napoli of the Premiership. You can never count them in for anything. That's a very interesting comparison, actually. Great. So since we are talking about Pep always has a game like this every season and how content coaches like Mourinho always has a way to get to Pep like these managers, I don't know, maybe they're not doing anything. It's just they are inside Pep's head all the time. So Pep always tries to overthink and outsmart these coaches and kind of shoots at his own foot most of the time. And we have seen this time and again. Now this actually kind of segues nicely into the topic that we actually wanted to discuss for this episode, which is the different styles of coaching or managing. Whatever you want to call now Isha what I consider is the two most popular broad categories, let's say a defensive coach and an offensive coach. So when I say a defensive coach or an offensive coach, what comes to your mind first? I mean, how do you fundamentally identify someone as an offensive coach or let's say a defensive coach when you look at defensive. Right. Like the tradition was the time when we grew up watching football. Right. Defensive courts was probably the time, if you recall, the likes of AC Milan, the Juventus of that time. They are not low scoring teams, but the foundation of the team was built on solid defense. And obviously the icons of our generation at that time were all defenders. Right? If you ask anyone who saw those years of Italian football, they would probably remember the names of defenders more than forwards. Barring, Ronaldo, Nasario. Right. We all know the Maldini, the Nestas, the Costa, Kurtas, the Canobaros. Those are the legendary defenders. And that's what made Italian football at that time such a stall word. So I think I would say defensive football right now is the word used by social media. Parking the bus that I do not believe is defensive football. Defensive football is using defense as a foundation to build an attack. And one of the biggest proponents of that was Jose Marino who focused on counterattacking football. Like the Jose Marino, the Real Madrid with Jose Mourinho was a site team to be reckoned with. Like they broke Pets Barcelona's regime in more ways than one, not just on the football beach. Moorini also poked people's eyes on the sidelines as well. There are other tactics deployed but not that I'm very proud of it, but that is my definition of defensive football. But when it comes to offensive football, you're looking at the gegenpress of clop, you're looking at even if you look at Zidane, all about flair, anchor, tea flare, individual brilliance will always steer the way Pep as well. Other than the Tikitaka during Barcelona, the city, Pep is extremely attacking. What do you think? Who are the defensive coaches or the defensive style that come to your mind? Again, I Echo with what you are saying at the base level. Yes. Even a defensive coach is someone who makes difference as a foundation. Like we start with defense and then we move forward and our offensive coach is like we will attack and attack is the best form of defense. Offense is the best form of defense kind of philosophy. Now Pepsi Croix philosophy is if we have the ball all the time, that means that the opposition can never take the ball and score a goal. So that's the basic foundation of that croissian philosophy of football. So as you said, when you talk about Italian football, the great Aragosaki, that era and now it has been passed on to the Ancelotis, the QUANTESS, the Saris. Now Sari is a different case. Sari is probably the odd one out of all the Italian coaches. He's someone who likes to play through the press, play the ball more than the traditional Italian style. So that is one way of looking at it. Now if we kind of split this defensive and offensive into two other further branches. Now again, I'm not trying to tag one as negative or positive. Let me just actually let's just put the Disclaimer out very clearly to whosoever is listening. We are not saying any style of coaching is a bad or a good style of coaching. We totally agree and accept that there are more than one way to win a game. Every place has its own merits and image in its own ways. Now coming back to the point, coaches that focus on result and are very flexible in terms of changing their process and how they are achieving it was to someone who is very, very rigid on the process. Like for example, context. If you put context, let's say it's a defensive coach, but he is someone who puts process first. He's very clear on where a player should stand, where a ball should go, where the receiver should receive the ball, et cetera. And like other courses like for example, we talk about this exhibitions a lot, who is like more players. It also comes up another question that pops to mind. These are the guys who were outstanding footballers themselves. If you look at Antonio Conte, you look at Pep Guardiola, you look at Zidane, Ancelotti, right? So they know the ins and outs of football, about what worked, what doesn't work. Right. But I think I just came to mind in football, especially, there are defense and offense, but it's so much more than that in terms of managerial styles. You know, if you look at the biggest criticism, said Angelo Dan Had, was that they are people's managers. They like to make the team happy at the risk of a lot of things. Right. Zidane was heavily criticized. Like, he's not a tactician, he just talks to the players. Well, motivates them and what can they say? They're talking to Zidane. But hey, he went back to back to back Champions leagues. Right. Pep Guardiola is a perfectionist. Like, we've seen so many of those Amazon Prime shows, all or nothing for Man City, which was like an incredible like, it opened up my perspective about Pep Guardiola in so many ways because he is obsessed with the sport. That's the fundamental part about Pep Guardiola. He's obsessed every minute he thinks about football and he cannot associate with players in his team who do not. So everyone is under pressure all the time. Right. And how does that team, how does that passion translate on the football pitch is all everything that they pass. So that's why when you're playing at that high pressure level, sometimes it breaks. And that's why I think we expect those results out of a Pep team. But I think also comes down to that question to you, Bala, any non footballing coaches Besides say more that come to your mind that have a very distinct style. So when it comes to other than football, the one other team sport that I have watched a lot in my life as cricket. So obviously, if I have to turn my eye away from football, it naturally falls on cricket. Now, cricket coaching as a concept came in only towards the late 80s and the early 90s. And cricket is again a kind of sport where captain carries a lot of responsibility in terms of on field tactics and et cetera. That's why in cricket, you find a level headed person more than like the best player in the team need not always be the captain. That need not always be the case in cricket. So, yeah, when it comes to cricket, the one coach that actually showed the importance of cricket coach was Dave Wattmore, because he brought that Sri Lankan team. I mean, people like us who have watched Sri Lanka somewhere in the early 90s where they are not a great team. I mean, I have watched silence before 92, 91 that time, and they were not a great team. So from that, in four years winning the World Cup, that was quite transformational. He brought in a lot of modern techniques into cricket coaching. He bought a lot of processes because until then, it's just man management. As he was just pointing out, cricket cricket coach was more man management. And the captain let the captain decide what happens on the field. So coach's responsibilities to only to make sure that coaches are basically like managers. People who watch the 83 movie will understand the guy that the one who played punka's a manager. I think it's a very good point, especially in the 96 World Cup. Right. I think you're referring to the 96 World Cup for people who don't know which Sri Lanka won. The one big transformation, in fact, that changed the game in ODI cricket was how to attack in the first 15 overs. Led by Sanna Jay, Surya and Kalu with Harana, Sri Lanka took every team by surprise, by their attacking prowess. And just like all out attack, no matter what in the first 15 hours, nobody actually ever did that. Nobody even thought of it. That killing restrictions on this is where you blast. So I think in most of the matches in the first 15 hours, Sri Lanka already 100 plus runs, which are unthinkable at that time, actually, sorry, to be fair, that idea of power hitting, the first power hitting was started in 92 by Martin Crew. So there was this player called Mark Great Batch. So New Zealand the left hander opener. So Martin used this technique to let Grade Batch go. And New Zealand won every game and they only lost to Pakistan. Let's put it this way, the Sri Lankan opener made it global. Agree, 100%. The one who made it global, the one who made it successful was Jeffy and Kalijar. There is absolutely no doubt about that. You're very right about cricket is more of a captain sport. But I think there are a couple of examples that I have in mind who basically helped the team change their mentality. When you look at Ian Wright for India, India was at that time very average. John Wright. Sorry, my bad. There's so many right.

Participant #1:
At that time, India was a very average fielding team. What he did was that he made India fit, like as a team. He like promoted and focused on fitness, that you have to be great athletes before being great cricketers. And it suddenly saw a huge change in how Indian cricket players started fielding behaving on the pitch. That was the rise of the mammoth cast. Yuvarat Singh, our greatest ever fielders were Azarudin in slips, Jadeja and Robin Singh,

Participant #1:
they were great fielders, but it was not such a high bar to cross. But then suddenly with the momma care, the Yuraj things, it just changed the game for us. We just started looking at cricket very differently. And I think that's mentality, I think that is the greatest contribution a coach can bring into cricket, especially. How do you change the mentality into everything you do? And we have other great examples. John Buchanan for the Australian cricket team that dominating years, you have Gary Kirsten soon after John Wright. So yeah, I think in cricket it's more about the mentality, more than actual tactics. Actually, just to round this entire topic. And you've kind of Interestingly brought in the concept of cricket coaches and how cricket coaches work. You gave some really great examples. John Buchanan Gadget. Now if you look at all these coaches right, and especially in cricket, I'm saying it's also very important for a coach to let the captain be the face and coach be the man behind the scenes type, like don't step over the captain's face. And which is exactly what Greg Chappell tried to do, which is exactly what Greg Chapel tried to do. He wanted to be the man to be in front of cameras. And that Gangoli didn't like. So he kept Ganglia out of the team. And the perfect replacement is Raul Travis. I'm not trying to I love Ravelra. I've said this many times, but he can be kind of a pushover. So it was easy for Greg Chapel to deal with Rahul Travid so that he can go over Rahul Travis and access the team by himself, which is, again, if you see the example of Gary Krishna, he didn't do it. He absolutely let Donate takes the power and the same thing. Even Ravisha stated it. So he kind of let Koli take the center stage. And that's why it's not just the coach, it's the coach captain that brings in that success. So for Blue Canon, you had Steve, you had Ricky Ponting. I mean, exceptional leaders, like leaders of top notch quality. So very interesting to read different types of coaching and any significant. Sorry, you're saying something. I think that in terms of mentality, I wanted to pivot to a sport that I follow a lot, that's basketball. And the one coach that comes into my mind who basically probably in the Mount Rushmore of coaching across all sports is Greg Papovich for the San Antonio Spurs. Now, just to give you a little high level know, how about him? He's been the coach of the San Antonio Spurs for about 23 seasons. In that time, there have been about 300 plus coaching changes across all teams in NBA. But he is too tall as one. Out of the 23 seasons, he has had a winning record in basketball. It's called the plus 500 record. So if you have a 50% plus winning ratio across 82 games in the regular season, you have a winning record that's across all American sport. After 23 seasons, he's had it in 22 seasons. Wow. He's had five NBA titles. And the one thing he did and one of his greatest mantras, people can use it in business is like how to create an unselfish team. How can you create a team that works as a team, not for the individual. And it promotes that. There are certain another discussion I can do on Greg Popewit. He has pillars where he basically helps young kids who are coming from College to his NBA. How do he opens up the world to them, like let them be involved in politics. He himself has a voice. He was one of the biggest speakers for Black Lives Matter and he helps people grow as individuals and men and those guys become his team. He's done so much for the sport. He's done so much for the entire organization of a large and over and above. It's just tactical, because basketball is a very tactical sport. It's not about one superstar convenient title. Otherwise Michael Jordan would have had 20. Right. It doesn't work like that. It's all about how do you function as a team? How do you create cohesion? So Greg Poppovich came to my mind because anyone who listening read up about him. There's so much to be learnt in life about how Greg Popovich does. Yeah. And also people who have watched The Last Dance, like me, might keep Phil Jackson as one of the examples or even Steve. Again, Phil Jackson. Just to end this point, Phil Jackson had a very different style. He was an aggressive coach and he believed in something called ISO ball, which is the superstar needs to have the ball at all times. And at that time the superstar was Michael Jordan. And later on when he was the Lakers coach, it was Kobe Bryant. Hence created the rift between Jordan and Pippin, Kobe Bryant and Shaquille O'Neill because they thought they were the biggest star. Right. So it's a different strategy, equally successful. On that great note, let's end this discussion. I hope you guys had fun listening to our opinions on what we think about various coaching and managerial styles. Now if you guys want us to discuss any other topic, please do let us know. We are on Twitter, we are on Instagram. At the rate sports Church. It's one word, no space between sports and Church. Please do like comment subscribe and also let us know if there is anything that you want us to discuss and obviously you can leave your comments and feedback, et cetera there. Great. That brings us to the end of this section. And in the next section we have our Speed Point section where we will quickly go through the updates from around the world of sports.

Participant #1:
Hello and welcome back to Sportstrate. We are now in the Speed Point section where as I was saying in the first section, we are going to discuss the biggest upset of the weekend. It is the 16 year old Indian Grandmaster R Pragnanda. See, I can pronounce it nicely picked up. A big win. I mean he stunned world number one Magnus Carlson. I mean, people who don't know who Magnus Carlson is, who have been living under the rock, please. He is the world champion right now. He's world champion chess. Do you think after the match Magnus consultant shall rematch?

Participant #1:
This is not the Rocky movie, man, but yeah, amazing achievement. I'm in India actually. We have known to produce Grandmasters Young Grandmasters a lot. And this is like another feather in India's chess cap, you know, one interesting electrode, like I have once played against. I mean, it's not the right way to put it. There was this chess tournament. I used to play a lot of chess as a kid, so I used to go to these chess tournaments and play a lot. Never used to win. And then towards the end of one of the chess tournament, Mr. Was the special guest to give away the prices. So as like a flagship event, they wanted to do a rapid chess tournament where Anand plays against 30, 35 kids at the same time. Like, he walks across 30, 35 sting at the same time and place. So I was one of those 35 kids, obviously lost. How many moves does it take for you? Yeah, it was about like seven or eight moves, man. It was not even a contest after that. I was at all only like watching him, only guys for people who are followers of Christiana Ronaldo, Lionel Messi, Bala gets awed by Vishnathan. Hey, why not, man? He's legend talking about history, US soccer and the Women's Players Association, they agreed to settle equal pay lawsuit. Now Ishan why do we think this is a very significant moment in sporting history? I think one of the reasons this work is that it's all about timing, right. US sport or US football has been so much money being invested into it, especially in the men's side. But if you look at the last decade or so, which among the men of the females, which are the ones that have got success, it's the women's side, right. The men have struggled to qualify for Olympics, for the World Cup. Sorry. And this year might again be a tough struggle for them. But the women's team has been winning the World Cup. They're the most successful team to play the sport. And the timing of this lawsuit came at a time where the women's sport in US soccer was the one people were actually going to the stadiums to watch and not the men's. Right. And hence this played all in their favor because why this is so monumental in all of sport, not just football, is that recognition has always been a problem in the women's side of the sport. And we've seen that in the American sports year after year. We've seen the first NBA head coach in the women's be a female. We are now seeing it in baseball. But this is very important because it's a big flaw. It's a big disparity. I think tennis resolved it to an extent where they increase, significantly increase the payouts for the women's Champions. But this is very important in the women's sport because you somehow feel that the women's World Cup is there. But then after that, nobody watches women's football. But that needs to change. Right. And that has to be led by Champions. There has to be led by personalities. So you look at Megan RUPINO, Alex Morgan, these guys are like they're like superstars, right? They're not just fighting for football. They're fighting as like individual leaders on their own. So I think the timing of this was great. And I think this is amazing news. Amazing news for the rest of the world in women's sport. Yeah. And we both have been crying for a woman's IPO for a very long time. I know you love women's big bash League, the quality that brings in the kind of entertainment that brings in. Also, as you said, it's not just in women's football or women's soccer. Every other major football association of football body or any team sport in general. Those authorities should have a better look at themselves and they should start changing ASAP. This has been as you said, it's been unfair for a very long time. And I hope this is the beginning where people start seeing these popular team sport as gender neutral and not being men's sport. So hope this brings in that necessary change. I want point to say, I might get a lot of hate for it. I want your opinion on it. Women's in tennis, right. I think Novak Jokovic was one of the guys who the rebel. We all know, and we'll get to him as well. But he said that there needs to be a differentiator in price if men are playing five sets and women are playing three. What do you think about that? No, I don't think I agree with that.

Participant #1:
I don't know how to articulate it. Okay. Let me put this this way. You're paying for the entertainment, right? You're not paying for the longevity of the game just because you're playing for five sets. That means I have to pay you more. I play for three sets. I have to pay you less. Now in that case, then in men's game, also, many games ends in presets, right? So, like, what will I pay less for a three set game? I'll demand five set play five set every time. So I don't think that argument is a very valid argument. Like, for example, you can watch a test match, a seven hour test match for a lesser cost in the Stadium than watching a 90 minutes football match. That's a very good point. How long you play? Very matter. All right. Sticking to women's sports, India women's team, are they tour. In fact, they are in the middle of a tour in New Zealand, and unfortunately, they have lost all their games. So the entire series has one T 25 ODIs. So we lost the single T 20, and we have lost four ODIs. And the fifth one is tomorrow morning. I mean, we are recording this on Wednesday night, 23rd 5th. So tomorrow morning, Indian time, the fifth ODI will be played. There was a slight controversy before the beginning of the series that Smithy Mandana. Two other places, Magna Singh and Reynokasing, were actually kept under quarantine for a longer period the last I read, it was still a mystery that they didn't know what's happening. But the New Zealand authorities have kind of put them in a higher risk category so that they had to quarantine for a longer period because of which Swatti couldn't feature in the first four games. She just played the last ODI and naturally she really couldn't make any impact. There has been a lot of controversy on Harmon captaincy. Also, people have started questioning her credibility for being the ODI captain. So, yeah, interesting changes you could expect in India. The flavor of the season right now, India, and it's captain season. That's true. That actually beautifully segues up into the next one, which is the India West Indies series that just ended. India is still going on. I didn't even care, man. I don't even know what's going on. I just know that India won all the games. We didn't do the single game, one or two games. There was a slight resistance from West Indies, but apart from that, there was absolutely nothing. It was fun to watch some absolute power hitting from the Western Dutchman or batters. Yeah, man. But the thing is that it's powerful hitters for fighting a lost cause. It was almost like a charity game. Not too fun to watch. I saw a couple of games while I was at drinking session and it still wasn't enjoyable after many drinks because, you know, the result from the onset. But yeah, meaning the news. I think we need to pivot to the new test captain, which we all knew who it was going to be. Mr. Rod Sharma. Surprise, surprise. Hey, I was not in the test quote for many years, but hey, now I'm captain, so I don't know how that will go. I have my doubts about that because I believe is unbelievable. Rightful captain in the shorter format, long format. I don't know. Cool. I see a bit of Donating Roacharma. He's very tactical. He understands his player strengths and weakness very well and he's able to communicate that to the players. Also, every time I've seen him turning up to Bombara for Mumbai Indians, Bomba always picks him up a kick. I mean, he kind of like knows it's a click. He has that thing with Bomra. But Balla, if you were Mumbai Indian captain, you would also turn to Boomerang.

Participant #1:
Very valid point. Yeah. It's not master tactician. I mean, anyone can do it. It's not like some strategic thing happening here. If he turns to Cruunal Pandya in the 19th over, then wins a match with that, then that is great. Captain.

Participant #1:
Nothing happened in La Liga this weekend. I mean, nothing happened in sense, nothing significant happen. All the top teams won their game, in fact, one quite comfortably except for saving RIAO and in Bundasliga. It's the same old buy and winning dot one winning. Nothing has changed. There also in League PSG lost, but there are still some million points away from the second team and they are going to walk away with the League title. However, in Syria, things got a little interesting. All the seven teams lost points, drop points. Milan drop points against number 20th team Salanter again after a disappointing loss to Liverpool in the Champions League. With Champions League, they again lost to Sasuvallo at home tunnel. So again, we were talking about this last week that Interseason can go from awesome to awful in no time and looks like they have to do something very quickly to let this slide stop. Otherwise, Napoli again drew their game. Ubi drew their game against Torino. Atlanta lost. Atlanta again is on a slippery slope. Looks like they will slip out of the top four finish. Looks like you might seek it. So Roma dropped points. Moreno kicked the ball into the stands, got red carded. And apparently he made a telephone gesture to the referee who apparently whose father was accused or one of the accused referees in the culture police scandal. So he kind of made this gesture as the referee. Now, again, I'll have to make this very clear that he did the gesture, but no one knew why he did it. The reason is speculation. What we are saying is speculation. So we just have to make that very clear. All in all, it was a very normal Mourinho match. Basically, he's becoming this caricature man. I don't know. I have a lot of respect for him still. So it kind of pains me a little to see him do like this. So we had NBA Allstar this weekend. Apart from the fact that it was played between Team LeBron and Team Durant, I knew nothing about it. So, Ian, why don't you help us out? I'll be very honest with you. As every year passes, the NBA All Star is becoming more of a fun filled enjoyment, entertainment scheme and not actually let's see the stars play against and with each other. It's unfortunate because I preferred it the old way where you could see Kobe Bryant or Michael Jordan against each other, fighting it out. It was more east versus west. There was a lot to play for. Now it's just dream team building, like Tiptop Curt, cricket, team banner types. But even in that we saw Team Durant, Team LeBron had stepped Curry, who actually had one of the greatest All Star games ever. He hit 16 three pointers, four of them without looking. And when I say without looking, it's very different in basketball, what he did was he shot the ball and there are iconic photos of this. You can see it on Instagram. He shoots the ball and turns his back to it while the ball is in the air, which means he knows it's going in. And these are like from the logo, from the halfway quote, he's doing this and he's done this all season. But to do this in the biggest stage, not in the most important state, but the biggest stage where the world is watching is incredible. The other entertaining part which is a bit stupid to be, was that Randy Singh was part of the celebrity All Star game. I have no idea how he obviously was atrocious but because he was saying a lot of people watched it and congratulated him. But good for us. Like hey, obviously Astak could pick it up like India case superstar and everyone will like what the fuck Indian is in NBA. But no, it was but it was fun. This is a continuation of our previous episode topic. We are talking about how NFL is trying to enter Indian market. Maybe this is the way NBA is trying to enter NBA has done this for a really long time in terms of doing it the right way. I feel in sport. Before Kobe every year. They used to have exhibition games in Bombay where two proper NBA team used to have a friendly they used to have NBA camps. Nba India camp used to be pretty good. Like used to have Legends coming, actually taking coaching sessions with Indian players and kids. So they did it the right way. Like how football there was, how Arsenal did it many years ago in India about building footballing camps. But this is more gimmicky, this is more money making basically Run VAS thing as a face. I'll admit that I like him, but come on man, I agree. I totally agree. Yes, sports loyalist. It hurts you get such a to play the celebrity game. Although highest matters in basketball. I still feel like he's done something in sport, but Ranvir is a little different. All right guys, that's about it for today's episode. As usual, we had a lot of fun recording it. I hope you guys had a lot of fun listening to it. 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