In this episode, India talks relationships, marriage, separation and coparenting with Ryan McLaughlin, a unique consciousness-minded mediator who works in the collaborative law, which seeks to transcend the often emotionally and mentally insensitive or even destructive constraints of traditional legal approaches to relationship changes -- specifically divorce and coparenting. This is an exploration into the intersection of spirituality and legality in relationships and personal growth, with tons of perspective, inquiry and insight around the shifting balance between feminine and masculine energies ... and, yes, there will be tarot cards.
Connect with Ryan at facebook.com/talkwithryanm
Learn more about, book a session with or contact India Leigh at indialeigh.com
In this episode, India talks relationships, marriage, separation and coparenting with Ryan McLaughlin, a unique consciousness-minded mediator who works in the collaborative law, which seeks to transcend the often emotionally and mentally insensitive or even destructive constraints of traditional legal approaches to relationship changes -- specifically divorce and coparenting. This is an exploration into the intersection of spirituality and legality in relationships and personal growth, with tons of perspective, inquiry and insight around the shifting balance between feminine and masculine energies ... and, yes, there will be tarot cards.
Connect with Ryan at facebook.com/talkwithryanm
Learn more about, book a session with or contact India Leigh at indialeigh.com
Hi, it's India Lee, and this is the latest incarnation of my podcast which, like myself, has gone through many, many embodiments, and now it is the guides. That is the title that's been revealed to me by my guides, because this podcast is all about what guides us, who guides us, how we guide each other and what guidance is coming through. And everything in your life is a guide to some extent, and certainly everyone, every aspect of yourself. So in this episode we are delving into a relationship and we're delving into it from a really interesting point of view. I'm talking with Ryan McLaughlin, who is a mediator, but he's an alternative mediator. He is a lawyer. He does help people who are navigating through changing the nature of their relationship, talking about new names, changing. Are they married, are they not? What kind of parents, parenting roles are they going to have? Just redefining those roles, which is a natural fit for this podcast, because for as long as I've been doing readings, spirit has been flowing through messages about how our relationships are changing, particularly our romantic ones. They're changing and the social structures around those are changing. So we're going to dive in and look at that from an ever-evolving legal standpoint and a real life standpoint and weave that in with the spiritual aspect, and there's also a nice dose of masculine and feminine balance here. So I'm honored and excited to connect you now with Ryan, and we'll just get into the episode now.
Speaker 1:Ryan McLaughlin, I've known you by many incarnations over the past seven or eight years and I've known of you before that because your legacy just ripples out. You're one of those people people talk about, as you probably know, in beautiful ways, and so thank you for being here with me and your. Now. Your current incarnation that we'll definitely talk about is McLaughlin Law and Mediation and probably many other things. But I do want to tap into today for myself and for everyone listening your capacity as a mediator, as someone in the law field, especially dealing with relationships with family, with partnership, because I think it's so fascinating the way spirit is unintended, marrying the worlds of the real, the material, the legal and the spiritual, and you embody that so beautifully because, as it says on your homepage, you're a different kind of mediator, You're not conventional and.
Speaker 1:I'd love for you to talk about that and how you're experiencing that in your work, and then let's explore some things around partnership and family and legal and spiritual and all that stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, marrying of the spiritual and the real.
Speaker 2:The real? Yeah, I definitely think that that is occurring. I think that there's a guy by the name of Stu Webb who is an older guy I think he might be in his 90s right now and he started the collaborative law, the field, the discipline, the practice of collaborative law, where people who are getting divorced say we want lawyers outside of court. He started this thing and it represented a fundamental shift because previously it was like you hire a lawyer, I hire a lawyer, we fucking wage war and spend money. And it was stressful and I was stressing him out and it wasn't good for him. He was like why are we doing this? And I think that it's so. From that it's collaborative laws grown worldwide and this was like two decades ago, I think. Don't quote me on that.
Speaker 1:Collaborative law.
Speaker 2:Collaborative. We're going to work together.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I think the spiritual question is like why are we waging war against each other?
Speaker 1:Yeah, why aren't we collaborating?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that you can frame it as a spiritual question, or you can frame it as like I don't want to die in five years of a heart attack, or I don't want to spend 80 grand on an attorney.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I think it's kind of.
Speaker 1:I don't want my kids to experience this energy. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't want to experience this. It doesn't feel great, it feels toxic, it feels bad, it feels horrible, it feels like yeah, like you're being bled, yeah.
Speaker 1:It is. I just saw an image of like dog fighting. It is, in some ways, the old way was kind of barbaric, of like I've got a team, you've got a team and we're going to see which team wins and there really isn't much interest in the spirit, the heart, the harmony, all of that. I mean, that's what it grew into. I'm sure that's not what it always was. Like everything, like business, like anything else, it just sort of became this monster that we created Right, and now people like you are coming in and receding and re-growing and recultivating what it is to be to mediate, to bring balance to things, which is what law is supposed to be all about, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think I don't know what law is supposed to be all about. That's a good question. I think it's like principled on justice, but what does that even mean? Right?
Speaker 1:well, in the tarot we have the justice card and it is the scales, the woman holding the scales. She's blindfolded, typically, and she's weighing things out and she's not looking at things through her physical eyes. She's feeling into things with spirit and I love just so. I know we were talking in astrology before we started, but you and I are both. We both carry the Libra energy. The Libra energy is represented by that justice card and so what we have here today is a masculine energy, predominantly an effeminate energy, predominantly two Libra energies talking about justice, talking about those scales.
Speaker 1:During the last few days of Libra season, before we go into the depths of Scorpio, which is Halloween, and we're exploring the veils thinning and we're exploring the mysteries of the other side and on this, ooh, I get all the chills when I'm talking about this, but this is a really auspicious time to be talking about this balance, because one thing that I've seen coming through in readings and sessions and the sessions I do with people, where we're filling into what is your energy saying, what is your higher self, your guidance, guiding you to do in this situation in your life All the messages have been coming through around this is a time when it's very important to tune into that balance within yourself masculine, feminine, yin yang, reciprocity, giving, taking what are you bringing to the relationships in your life, to the connections in your life, and allowing those relationships and connections to be redefined. And that's something I imagine you're seeing in real time on the ground in these arrangements that people are being guided through that are not what we used to do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the redefining, that's hard, that's super, that's hard shit. I mean, because to redefine is to say that's a euphemism for, like you had an affair maybe, and now we're restructuring our family. I don't know where we're gonna live. I don't like, yeah, what was the word you used? Redefining. Redefining, yeah, you're redefining, but that's hard work.
Speaker 1:Well, and I love that, because, aren't we okay? So think about defining. That's a dictionary, right, we're defining words. It's all about these words. It's interesting because you just said and I love this because we are looking at both sides you just said, okay, so redefining is sort of like a euphemism, for you had an affair, this happened, and looking at it in a different way, well, isn't it interesting how, in the definitions, we're looking at a definition right there, affair, what is that? It's a looking at.
Speaker 1:Well, this is the structural social agreement we made and you broke that. That is called this in our paradigm here. Right, and you're right, we're shifting paradigms where we're saying, okay, we're not gonna just have nothing matters, nothing's nothing, we could just it's a free for all. Of course we're not, because we have these structures within our family that do matter, but we are gonna redefine how we're calling things so that we can open up light to come in. We're not just gonna call it this, you did this. We're gonna say I've been in a role, I've been in a role where I'm hurting and I've been in a place where I've been feeling disconnected, and let's talk about ways that we can stay connected as parents or as people who once loved each other, as friends. Whatever you wanna stay connected as and allow more light, more space, more air, more room to come in.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm, yeah, I think that's true. I think an affair is a label, since we're talking about it, or infidelity, or emotional affair, physical affair, whatever.
Speaker 1:Or abandonment.
Speaker 2:Abandonment. I think it's like. The interesting question is I think I've seen this a lot is like okay, so the one person, person A, slept with someone else outside of the relationship. But why did they do that Right? Was person B working all the time? Were they neglectful? So it seems to take the idea of fault like who did what wrong and like make that term irrelevant, like it's both partners, both people in the relationship, something systemically built and built and built and built and built and built and built and built.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and don't you do that through going deeper, through not looking at going okay, this is what it is and now let's just deal with that and make consequences happen. But going deeper into and this is something I know through knowing you, that you have the ability to guide people through is going deeper into what's really happening, exploring what the layers are underneath this appearance of what seems to be going on, and helping people get to that truth. Yeah, I've made it till that time.
Speaker 1:As you're looking at these things with couples and with parents, with people. I'm sure, since you are working in a legal capacity, there's probably a point where you're directing people to their own explorations, whether it's through counseling or something else. But how do you begin to help share that light of truth on a situation in a way that can keep everyone connected, that can keep everyone honest with their own experience? How do you open people up to hear those truths about themselves and each other?
Speaker 2:Well, so, yeah, so I'm in a legal capacity, usually in the legal world, as a mediator. But it's funny. Yesterday we had a mediation where the couple is splitting and we were talking about the house. Who is going to which is usually the biggest on the financial side. There's two issues in a divorce. There's the kids in the house, basically. So we were talking about the house and it's quite complicated as to like let's run, okay, so party A can stay in the house, party B can stay in the house, or the parties can sell the house. Then there's like what would a refi look like and what are the interest rates? And blah, blah, blah, blah, blah blah. It's quite overwhelming and it gets like more financially complicated when you add in other assets like buyouts from retirement.
Speaker 2:At the end of the mediation, it was a two-hour session. At the end of the two-hour session, it was like total overwhelm and the parties had no way to decide amongst these options, like what the hell are we going to do? Are we going to do this, that, the other thing? And so I was like this conversation that we're having with words doesn't seem like it's helping. I was like we could pull tarot card. Yeah, yeah, they laughed right. They're like that's ridiculous, don't be ridiculous. And I was joking, but I was also serious, right, because I think like how are you going to get there?
Speaker 1:Because what you're saying is we're in the head. Would you like to get into the energy? Would you like to get into the heart? That's essentially what you're saying. You're saying we could deal in this. You know, matrix-y head place forever and pick apart these details, but are you interested in knowing what's going on at a deeper level? You know, in the other bodies of being, in the spirit, body of being in your heart, body of being, and many times people are saying no, I'm not interested in that.
Speaker 1:And a lot of what I'm seeing, ryan, in the sessions, in the readings, is that people in the connections they're in masculine, feminine and gender irrelevant. You can be in a masculine, feminine connection with the same gender, but people are more and more deciding that one thing Do I want to go deeper into my heart, into my spirit, in my life and follow that guidance, or do I want to stay up here in the head? It's essentially do I want to leave the matrix? That's really what it is and you know, do I want to step out of this perceived reality that I've been living in within my identity, within my relationships and it's been being reflected to me in my relationships and typically in the readings I'm doing, in the sessions I'm doing, one person in the partnership is saying yes, and the other person is saying I don't want to do that or I'm not ready to do that, or I'm scared to do that, or whatever. And the readings are really all about how do I navigate this connection with my feminine, with my masculine partner when I want to free myself from this headspace and they don't, or they're not ready, or they're scared, they're not willing to be vulnerable, whatever it is.
Speaker 1:And it really comes down in the readings to spirit saying you cannot control what is going on with that other person's decisions, their journey.
Speaker 1:You cannot control the other person's decisions, cannot control the outcome when it has to do with them. All you can control is your own decision, which does become kind of maddening when you're in a partnership, when you've created children together, when you're living in a home together, when you've got businesses together. It becomes this sort of I don't know do you call that like a cat's cradle, that tingly thing, where you're like how in the world do I get out of here? And the only way out truly is through what you said. Let's go deeper, let's go into the spirit, let's see what the energy's saying let's deal with the truth of that and let's get rid of all this mumbo jumbo that we're running around in circles about. That you said is overwhelming is completely, and it's designed to be. It's designed to be overwhelming so that we're cut off from that part of ourselves that is going to make things real simple, real clear and probably really painful, because that's what we're trying to avoid.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so there's no time, there's so, so, so radical acceptance, yeah, of your partner's Lack of ability to think with their heart is what your or their decision not to.
Speaker 1:They're free will decision not to because they could be able, they could be, they could, but they, but they're just, they're just not choosing it and there's no condom condemnation there. I mean, the spirit says you know, hey, I'll deal with them, I'll give them another lifetime, or whatever. It's up to us as humans to be like yeah, I got to accept that we have to do it with our children, with our parents, with our partners. We have to say, but you know what, with children and parents, it's almost kind of easier, right, because you can't, you can't change the nature of that relationship. You have to accept it. It has to make you radical.
Speaker 1:But with a partner, with the law, with these things that you can, you can change. That's when we get into the power struggle. That's when we're like if you don't grow, I'm going to do this, that are the other. If you don't change, I'm going to do this, that are the other. Or if you keep trying to make me grow or change, right, and it feels like you get called in by spirit, by these people, and you probably notice like, wow, the people who are calling me in are exactly the people that like spirits, just putting you where you need to be. You get called in by people who go. I want to go deeper than that. I want to. I know there's something else here and you know it's. It's amazing to see this new part of of our collective consciousness evolving, where maybe we can bring consciousness into legality, we can bring it into business, we can bring it into these other areas that have been off limits before.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it's interesting because I think that like like an affair wanting to pull a tarot card, for instance, or being open to it and not being like, no, that's, that's fucking ludicrous. Being like, yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I think it's like you don't arrive at that place that without having been somewhere else, like what? So for me it's like yeah, I'm open to it Because I'm burned out, I'm tired. Like yeah, I've already thought, like I've already gone down the road of like let's grind and think and over thing, so, like yeah, so I think like, so, like the bottom. So if someone else is like no, I'm fundamentally opposed to tarot cards. I think they're silly. Okay, I think there's a story there of like how they got there, though that probably makes sense. Maybe in five years when, like I don't know, maybe maybe not, maybe, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Well and honestly, so much of it has to do with you say, with the, with the different programming we get as masculine, feminine as a feminine, you're a child you get these messages that are like it's totally fine to believe in magic and princess stuff and fairies and that's part of being a feminine. Right, it's fine, you know, you can, you can believe in the mysteries and all that. As a masculine, though, if it seems to me, from what I've perceived, that that stuff you better be quiet about it.
Speaker 1:You're going to get beat up if you say you're into that stuff, you're going to get you know labeled the feminine, you're going to get persecuted or you better be prepared to be a real strong masculine, you know, in order to even, like you said, propose something like that, in order to even say let's feel into it deeper and so that, like the masculine and the men I work with, I have I admire the women to, but I have the deepest admiration for the men who come to my readings and go. I do want to feel into this, knowing that they've been getting messages all their lives that that is not available to them, not okay for them to do, and you're someone who, you know, really put down that burden a long time ago.
Speaker 1:I feel, because you know the legend that I did know of you as I met you, as, as Ryan, love each other the name, that you had that time and you had gone through the journey of the world and so the soul and life events to get to that place. And I believe you know, in your incarnation on this earth you were brought through probably a lot of those. You can, you can say what you believe, but this is from looking at you. Well, spirit said now I'm going to put you in this human construct of the law, of all these technical things that you've put so many hours and brainpower into learning, and you're going to bring it to people in a way that is going to be infused with spirit, energy, with the understanding of the world, and you're going to be infused with a deeper level and and clearly not in a way that's, that's unprofessional, because you're clearly, you know, a professional. You come to people as a professional. You're like I, I know my stuff and and then you're able to kind of infuse it into. That is what I mean.
Speaker 1:I'm the same way. I don't. I don't come to people as a you know woo, woo energy. I was a journalist, that kind of people going hey, this is a result of serious life events and Spirit literally telling me this is now my job, I'm now a reporter for spirit, okay, and you know treating it very professionally, and so that's what we all are doing now is taking our spirit selves more seriously, and I feel like partnerships, marriages, things like that are probably the scariest place to do that.
Speaker 2:What do you feel? I mean, maybe your opinion is different, but do you feel that there's increasing openness to a conversation?
Speaker 1:It's truly coming in waves. It's coming in tsunami waves. So what happens is that's why, you know, as a planet we're having to kind of be broken down in these waves by spirit. Something big will happen, like the pandemic, and we get kind of compromised in our ability to resist right. And then spirit brings in a big wave of consciousness, all of us, we're getting much more in touch with ourselves during that time, our guidance, in whatever way we were. Then we have that resistance wave a couple years of.
Speaker 1:Oh, let's get back to you know, let's get serious and you know let's focus on politics and this and that you know. And then there's one other wave of uh-oh, now we can't resist. So it's coming in waves and I feel like right now we're in the middle of a bit of a resistance wave. It's not as big as in the past, but a bit of a. I feel right now the masculine energy is in a place of.
Speaker 1:I see that I have to change in these ways, but I really don't know how to do it. And I'm supposed to know because I'm the masculine. That's what I've been told. And how do I get over that? Um, you know that the masculine is needing direction, which is why, when there are divine masculine embodiments like yourself who are coming through, going, I'm going to show that direction. Your role is going to be more important than ever Because, yes, there's openness, yes, there's willingness, but there's got to be someone leading us over those waves of resistance, and that's where you're coming in, that's where this work is coming in. But yeah, I do. I do feel we're being definitely prepared for kind of a revolution. That is happening. It's not going to be all at once, but it's happening in the way we handle everything. I mean our children are going to have a totally different way of dealing with this stuff than we have, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think you're right. I like yeah, that's very well said. I don't know if it's a wave Like I have a few colleagues, not very many, but I'm conversant with and for us, we're all similarly situated age wise and that kind of like ties to family. You know, you're just like. You're basically just like drowning, trying to like, trying to work, have kids who you interact with, have a spouse who you interact with, have a job that you're, you know, decent at, and then take care of yourself. It's like, so we're in this place of like, yeah, how the hell are we going to get through this? You know, yeah, and I think that generates like openness, for sure, but also like, hey, I'm not going to be able to work eight hour days in the office. It's just not going to like, something's got to give. I think people are realizing that they're like, hey, I got to get outside and spend time in nature. I got to like go get a massage, otherwise, dot dot, dot, you know, fill in the horrible ending to the story.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and I love the word you said earlier of radical acceptance, Because I do believe that's what the feminine energy has had to come come to a while ago radical acceptance. And I believe that the masculine energy, because the masculine energy has been wired to be stronger in different ways and the masculine energy has been wired to resist, to be strong, to be in control I mean that's all that masculine has been told for centuries. They have to be it. That doesn't change easily and that radical acceptance is what each masculine energy is being brought into, one by one, Some of it through their relationships, some of it through their work that they're like I cannot do this anymore. It kills my soul. I cannot stay connected with my children and do this at the same time, and staying connected with my children is the priority which is new for the masculine right, I mean that wasn't something their fathers taught them, that that was the priority and that's, you know, I always hear that biblical line of the child shall lead them, you know, and that's that's where we're at.
Speaker 1:The children are leading us in changing. And I believe that watching this, this generation of dads yourself and and the other dads and watching what, what, what they want with their kids, what they're prioritizing having with their kids, for their kids, through their kids, is leading the way, because that's connecting them inevitably with their own inner child that's been so locked away, so in chains, so put, you know, to work. And now that those little boy children are being set free, you know they can go join the little girl children that are playing, and one by one, that's happening, but it's definitely radical. It's radical, like you said. It says radical surrender. It's an, it's a.
Speaker 1:My way is not going to work anymore, even though I was taught that it always has to. That's a real brain puzzle that I, as a feminine energy, can't even imagine. Nobody ever told me that I was supposed to have all the solutions for me and everybody else all the time, you know, and and that's a masculine burden is hey, this is your role, if you're gonna, if you're gonna be a responsible masculine, you gotta figure out how to get the solutions, have them all the time for everybody, and then how do you get to the end of that? You know how do you get to the wall where you can finally hit the wall and go yeah, now the feminists got to their wall in relationship, because the message we did get was what you need to make all the relationships work all the time harmony at all costs.
Speaker 1:Don't care about your happiness, just make sure the family and the, the, the partner, is happy. That wall's been hit, of course, but now the masculine's got to hit their wall of. I can't do this. I've got to look to spirit for the direction, for the way, and then, thank God, I can. I can hear it in what you're saying about connecting with other masculine's, other parents, other men, that you're supporting each other in that, that you're supporting each other and going, hey, I don't know, do you know? No, I don't know, let's surrender and find what's beyond this. And then you and your capacity as mediator are bringing this to other men. When you say, hey, why don't we pull a card? That man might be like that's silly, but in the back of their head they're going Well, it sure seems to be showing him something. I need to maybe ask questions.
Speaker 2:Totally. I mean, I don't know, I hope so. It is yeah, I hope so.
Speaker 1:It is for some, for some, and you know, yeah, what do you feel? No-transcript. I'm fascinated by you, know, because it's one thing to be fully immersed in Woo Woo and I've got, you know, seven decks in front of me right now, and you know it's one thing to do that. But I'm fascinated by you being in the capacity of your being and you know, doing this work, having to go before judges and whatnot, the system and still remaining centered spiritually. I mean, I know you have a strong background in yoga as an instructor. You have been, you know, meditating, doing spiritual work, for years and years. How do you feed that, maintain that, while you're still heavily planted in the 3D?
Speaker 2:That's a great question.
Speaker 1:Thank you.
Speaker 2:I think it's really hard. I think that it's really really really hard and maybe, like, life is really hard, not just like the court system and the legal system, maybe life is really really hard. Or maybe it's not really hard and it's just a projection, like maybe the legal system, because I've often I've talked to lawyers and they're like, oh no, no, no, no, like our colleagues are great, like our experience has been great, so it's just. I think my experience has been. It's really really, really hard. Like hard in the ways that you say, like intimidating, like you have like a clear power dynamic. There's rules, they're enforced. If you fuck up, you fuck up. It's not like there's hugs and kisses. It's been hard. I think the way that like it's evolved for me is I just fucking like went through the dark, dark, dark, dark, dark, dark, dark, dark, dark and was like I don't believe in Jesus, but come to Jesus, or maybe you just get broken down and stressed and then you kind of like I did DBT, I did lots of therapy.
Speaker 1:So anxiety is kind of a tool, isn't it? Because I mean, that's what started all this for me, that's what bridged my dark, dark, dark, dark, dark dark from journalism to this was anxiety, because I mean with the help of the birth of my child. But all of that makes 10,. You know, my brain, my mind, was just eating itself, you know, with can't handle, can't do, can't achieve, can't. You know can't and but have to. And so it was eating itself, can't but have to, can't but have to, can't but have to. And then when it finally, like, I guess, ate itself, got to whatever point it got to, that's when the lightning bolt of spirit came through and was like, would you like another way?
Speaker 1:So yeah, whatever that is whether it's Jesus or spirit or universe or whatever it is. That is the point we have to get to, isn't it? And just going yeah, there, my mind is 1111, right when we said that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think so. I think you have to at least that's how it happened for me, because otherwise it's like it's like it's like an alcoholic thing too, like no, no, no, like I'm good I can. Yeah, until you can't write until like your wife or your you know whatever says I don't want to, I'm not going to continue on this way and then you change, you know, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so you're right, it is, it is, and whether the tool is anxiety, because it sounds like you're worried, like me, where it's like my own brain is going to get me if I don't submit to spirit kind of thing, you know, because we will just lock ourselves in that little cell of worry and of you know what the ego says has to happen. And yeah, the only way, I mean the only way out, when that happens for me is spirit, you know, just saying hey, hey, spirit, my mind won't let me out of there, would you please. You know, free me. And it happens every time, in whatever way, because it's someone reaching out with something I just needed to hear, right. Then Sometimes it's, you know, just going ahead and having an emotion that I want to have or whatever. But that breaking point can be like less and less and less traumatic, you know, and all of us have some helpers like that. The anxiety, you know, leads to physical stuff. With me, I'll get a headache. That's a helper I've come to learn, because it's like the minute I get a headache, neck, ache, whatever, shut it down, stop thinking, because otherwise I won't stop, I won't stop unless my body, my head, does that stuff. So for, like you're saying, whether it's not it could be not anxiety for some people, but alcohol, I'm going to keep doing this as long as it works and I need something that's going to stop it. So with some people, people who can drink and function and drink and function, yeah, they need a relationship that's like that's not going to work for me, or you know, or with some people with you know, the cheating thing we talked about. If it's like their addiction is patterns of self-sabotaging behavior, that's going to be the thing that continues until it can't. I mean that point of until it can't is actually a much bigger helper than we give it credit for.
Speaker 1:And this week Spirit's been showing me the image of a baby learning to walk and how. You know you got to put that baby down and stand over there and be like you can do it, come over here. And the baby's like pick me up, I don't want you, sister in Christ. It's like I hate this. You're mean. If some babies and you can't pick them up, you have to be like come on, you can do it for a while, because they're not going to learn otherwise. And Spirit's been saying that's what I have to do with you, because you will be carried by the addiction, the, whatever, the, whatever, as long as you can. And I want you to be able to walk, you know. I want you to be able to experience what it is to do that, yeah, so if anyone wants to reach out to you and learn more about your gifts and what you offer through mediation, how can they do that?
Speaker 2:Talk with Ryan at gmailcom. Okay.
Speaker 1:Thank you for being here. Thank you, it's such a joy and honor and we'll connect again soon.