Are you starting to notice a pattern in how your masculine and feminine energies play out in your relationships? Ready to more deeply understand why you may be still experiencing dynamics that no longer serve you? In this episode, India Leigh and energy healer Tina Madeline explore the profound influence of these two divine energies in our lives and relationships. Tina shares her unique perspective on how to liberate ourselves from generational trauma and rewrite previously limiting scripts, illuminating the path to balancing and healing our masculine and feminine energies and paving the way for wholeness and self-love.
Learn more about Tina Madelyn at tinamadelyn.com
Learn more about, book a session with or contact India Leigh at indialeigh.com
Are you starting to notice a pattern in how your masculine and feminine energies play out in your relationships? Ready to more deeply understand why you may be still experiencing dynamics that no longer serve you? In this episode, India Leigh and energy healer Tina Madeline explore the profound influence of these two divine energies in our lives and relationships. Tina shares her unique perspective on how to liberate ourselves from generational trauma and rewrite previously limiting scripts, illuminating the path to balancing and healing our masculine and feminine energies and paving the way for wholeness and self-love.
Learn more about Tina Madelyn at tinamadelyn.com
Learn more about, book a session with or contact India Leigh at indialeigh.com
Hi, this is Intuitive India Lee and this is the Guides podcast. This episode I'm so excited to share with you. Tina Madeline and she is someone that works with energy in such an exciting way. She has just this indescribable, indefinable way of helping you to embody your divine masculine energy and your divine feminine energy and also to understand your wounded masculine energy and your wounded feminine energy and how these things show themselves and really getting to know, how to get to know those aspects of yourself. You know the healed masculine and feminine parts of you and the wounded masculine and feminine parts of you, and how to recognize when each is coming out, how to balance it.
Speaker 1:She's helped me tremendously in my own healing work and I'm very excited to share her with you here as we explore those feminine, masculine energies and how to attract in the wholeness, in those energies that you are embodying Sort of lava lamp we're all going through as we heal those energies within us, have them reflected to us in relationship, and you work with these energies all the time in your work. How do you do that? Yeah, how do you work with them? How do they show up for you and your work?
Speaker 2:Well, if we're taking it from, even like what's happening right now, right, with all of the energies that we're going through, we're really consolidating what's a distorted version of the divine, of the masculine and distorted version of the feminine, because those energies are looking to be purified within us. Right, because we both have masculine energy essence and we both have feminine energy essence. So it does not matter what body you're in, you have both, and so, ultimately, we're wanting those essences in ourselves to be in the deepest alignment with our heart, our mind and our soul. And any distortional energy, any programming, any let's say even past life energy or karmic energy, is trying to. It's like kind of getting that spiritual washing machine and spinning around and saying we got to wash out what kind of you internalize in the distortion of these energies versus the higher quality and frequency of these energies.
Speaker 1:Which you could also think of as healing wounds, or you could also think of as breaking generational curses. You could call it a million things, but or generational trauma is the same thing it is. It is refining these energies within us so that, because the goal or the place we're heading is harmony between these energies, right and balance.
Speaker 2:Yeah and right. So it's also that it's all those things we label them under many different guises but also ancestral energy, right? So what did your paternal ancestors do, 100,000 times over, that now you've inherited? What did your maternal ancestors do that now you have just inherited, not because you did anything right or wrong, but you just happen to be in this, this bloodline that you're also choosing, probably as a soul, to purify.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and isn't the really the heartbreak that I've personally been going through lately, that I've been feeling in my mind and body, and that I hear others talk about, is that heartbreaking place we're at where we can now look back and see the pain that we've put ourselves through, the suffering that we've put ourselves through and we've put our partners through maybe our children, maybe our parents, maybe our siblings, because of those structures, because of those templates that were passed down over hundreds and hundreds of years. And we are the generation that gets to look at it and go, oh yikes, that you know up until our most recent relationships go, oh no, you know, that's so heartbreaking to see. And what I'm looking around and seeing in just about everyone I'm working with is whether you've been married, you know, for decades, or you're divorced, or you're single, or whatever your relationship status, everyone seems to be in this place of stepping back from the relationship dynamic and going, wow, we, we need to really just sort of take all this in before we try to do anything else with this relationship, right?
Speaker 2:100%. We're all being asked to rewrite the script. The script was written in an old, old, old old form where of survival, typically right, we're surviving in our defense mechanisms of getting our needs met. We've learned to get our needs met through these very, sometimes even manipulative ways because that's what we thought we had to do, and so, as we're then becoming more conscious as humans, we can say, oh wait, that behavior doesn't serve me anymore. That doesn't feel right to me, like it's registering on a deeper level and people's even systems in their bodies that's making them having to stop and pause and actually consciously say this is what I'm choosing for myself, this is what I'm choosing for myself.
Speaker 1:I know today I was listening to someone talking about their struggle and relationship and and it distilled down to you know she was sort of dating someone but wasn't really sure if they were even dating. But you know the the the thing that she needed to be able to step into asking for was, simply, I am entitled to, I deserve and I get to have clarity on what the people in my life feel and view me as. I get to have that. I get to ask them what. You know, how do you see me? Because that was such a wound of you know. Well, they get to show up, however. They show up and I don't get to ask, and you know I just have to take what I can get, and that was her word.
Speaker 1:It shows up in a million ways. You know I have a, a right and I deserve to have someone show up and put in as much work as I put in to the connection or I have a right to. You know and I deserve, like you've taught me in our work together, you know to have support and and receive, you know, positivity from a partner and just the things that we're becoming clear that, hey, we can ask for this and we can, we can let it in, but the difficulty is none of us have ever before seen in the physical world what we're asking for. We haven't seen it. We haven't seen it modeled, we haven't seen it. We haven't seen it in our relationships. So it's kind of like you know, it feels kind of like making a wish with pixie dust for a little while yes, isn't that the truth?
Speaker 2:and in what a task? Because we're being asked to be the evidence. Yeah, to show up and saying, okay, if it doesn't exist, become the evidence for others that this actually does exist. Because on a very deep cellular memory level, we do remember what the divine template looks like. We do remember what it feels like to be in deep union in ourselves and with others. So in some ways, we, we are lucky enough to have this activated right now to know, okay, this is what feels right now. How do I, like get through all the distortional energy of what's been kind of like just layered on top of that? That's not the highest truth, but has been deep survival, patriarchal model, 4 000 years of a matrix that says, no, this is what the template's going to be instead, yeah, it's, it's.
Speaker 1:Uh, we're the heavy lifters yeah, and heavy is white word, as I tell you. The other night I was, I was laying there and all the physical pain I get it in the form of headaches and and body pain, and I and I was laying there at night, just, you know, going through that ringer, and then you get the you know nightmares or whatever you have the pleasure of getting along with it. And I was talking to my guides and I and I said you know something along the lines of why won't? Because you know, when you get to that core wound, it was why, why can't anyone love me the way I need to be loved? And because the ego's answer has always been oh, because there's something wrong with you. You shouldn't need that, you know. And then it was like well, I know that's not true.
Speaker 1:So why can't? Why can't anyone love me the way I need to be loved? In spirit, my guide said to me, or my higher self said to me well, are you? Can you love you the way you need to be loved? And then my answer was kind of, I guess not right now, because I'm not, I'm hiding from this, you know, I'm not being with myself in how I need to be loved in this moment, or I wouldn't be feeling asking that question. So isn't that so much of it? And when we hear loving ourselves or being our own masculine and feminine until you feel it, it can sound very trite and annoying and frustrating and infuriating. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And and and right, and it's this, it's a mental construct, so it's like my masculine energy should do this, my feminine energy should do this, and so, yeah, it's actually, it's really deep embodiment work. Right, this has to get truly embodied to understand it, and it is, it's a layered experience.
Speaker 1:Yeah, One thing I love about your work is that it's kind of like when counselors or therapists use sock puppets to play out things you will. You will have the person that are working with cast their divine feminine or their divine masculine, put a face on them and then work with that energy, you know, as an actor or whoever you want to envision them as, because then you can picture this feminine energy or masculine energy, and work with it, and that's helped me a whole lot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean right, especially, I think, because mainly I work with women, right that like they don't have a concept of like what, what is a real model of divine masculine look like. So, if you think about, well, who am I attracted to? Because I'm, who am I attracted to Tell someone a lot around what their internal masculine looks like? What helps? It helps to actually have that Like visualization and then start teasing it out to make it feel more real, because it can feel very, very foreign, absolutely.
Speaker 1:And then you also helped point out where the ingrained beliefs about the masculine and feminine are within you, like if you don't believe you can expect direct communication from the masculine, it's it's you help to uncover. Oh, I think I have to, you know, decode everything that the masculine tells me, or I have to make up a story because they're not going to tell me how they feel. You know, and that's helped me a lot too. One thing that you really helped me with is to get out of having a mental relationship with someone where I'm kind of imposing what I think they're feeling, or what I want them to be feeling, or what I I'm afraid they're feeling, and really deal with. What is, you know, listening and going. All right, if I was just to literally listen to what this person is telling me and not impose any of my narrative on it, what would it show me?
Speaker 2:And that's been so eye opening for the good and for like, oh my God, uh oh yeah, it's an amazing that it because we especially if we're empathic, right, I think we always want to take well, they're saying this, but they also are this, they're wired like this, so they meant it this way, so we do. We have a whole narrative to kind of soften it sometimes. But you're right, if they, if we just take it at face value and then we're, then if we're trying to heal that, it's also mirroring back for oneself. Oh, I'm going to have to own that. I am worthy of clarity, worthy of clear communication. How can I be more clear? And if the other person cannot be clear or there's just an incompatibility, it's an invitation to say this is not my most compatible relationship, this is not my most compatible situation.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and with that particular one, when you say we have like the deck double stacked against us because the feminine energy has always been taught, you know, it's like beauty in the beast, like oh, they're really, you know, lovable. You have to see the beauty inside, you know. And then the feminin's, or the masculine, has been taught like, well, that feminine is not going to listen to you anyway.
Speaker 1:They're just going to you know, talk, talk, talk over your whatever. So why bother? Or you know they don't want to hear what you. They don't really want to hear your truth. Both of those things are kind of, you know, in the way. So it's a double, double wound. You know which we're working with so often of you know, repelling each other with those double wounds and the message right now that I feel like spirit is really giving the feminine. I'd love your perspective on the messages that the masculine's getting and I know the feminine's been getting from spirit. You need to turn that focus inward now. You need to learn to focus on yourself. You need to learn to be in your own truth and stop projecting out all of these other realities unto people. You know, and that's what we're practicing doing. Where do you feel the masculine is with the healing process?
Speaker 2:I think they're being faced with their shadow right, that their shadow is not this bad thing, but they have to. Actually, in order to have any alchemy, which means to heal it, to understand it, to take the goodness out of it and to leave what's not working, they have to own it, and I think a lot of them are being confronted and the universe keeps bringing situations into their worldview to keep confronting this aspect of them and typically the masculine's programming is to go into defense or go into I have to defend this because I'm therefore they're thinking this about me I must be bad. So they've internalized something very in their own core wound, typically, Well, yeah, they're not going to be heard or something, so they can stay locked in unless there's that opening in their soul that's ready to confront that and heal that in themselves too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and the feminine has to, right now, resist the urge to go in after it and pull it out, because that's not, it's the biggest disservice to the.
Speaker 2:it's the biggest disservice if we're looking at it from masculine feminine relations in the external and we'll just use the feminine. Has been trained, especially because most women are motherly and, in an essence, will then actually start to be being the inner child and the masculine.
Speaker 2:And then all of a sudden we're not in man-woman relations or masculine feminine integration, because it doesn't matter what body you're in, we're looking at mother child, father child, and then of course we're not going to get our needs met and then of course no one's going to evolve and grow, but we're going to stay really stuck in an infantile template.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Not attractive for anybody.
Speaker 2:No, no, I mean, they can only last for so long. It feels good for the moment, perhaps, but it's really. There's a lot of fear, a lot of fear, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1:And a lot of undermining of our own value. So I'm going to throw a couple real-world scenarios at you and see what guidance you would give people. These are a couple I've heard lately. One is someone I had a session with yesterday who is currently living with the person that she is married to but is contemplating why. No, our relationship is changing. She's recognizing we're not matching in what we, like you said, it's not an energetic match, but spirit. She can tell that spirit's making changes to happen and it's a good thing that they're taking this distance.
Speaker 1:But she was kind of just wanting to know, like you know, but should I just go ahead and get a divorce, leave or should I? You know, and what I kept getting for her was you're going to know, you're not going to doubt, you're going to know when there's that moment of if you need to change your living situation. You're going to know that In the meantime, focus on yourself, you know, allow yourself to sort of be in this safe energy. But so much of what our feminine minds want and I don't know if the masculine energy is like this but so much as we want that clarity, we want to know where is this going, because that nesting or whatever it's like. We want to know where this investment you know is going and where do I need to be partner wise. So what guidance would you give someone whose relationship is in transition and they want to give it that space, but it's like, do I need to, just, you know, make a move? What happens here?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean right, it's nuanced because it's so particular to each person's circumstances, but if I just did like broad stroke it, I would say each person in her situation, she has to ask herself what do I want, what are my deal breakers, what am I requiring for this relationship to last, and what would be the things that actually are indicators that I'm complete, and I agree with you. Sometimes we just have deep clarity and we know when something isn't working for us. People will stay in that kind of in between state, though, because they have that little piece of hope or they're holding onto something, but they actually haven't asked for what they want and need with clarity.
Speaker 2:If they have and then that other person is not choosing to give it to them, gaslighting them or you know then that's your answer they're giving you silence. That they're stonewalling you, that's your answer. If they are participating, then all of a sudden guess what? You have clarity to make a real decision, which we all need. I think it's so frustrating that we were always trying to solve something for two people, but it took two people to create a healthy relationship. So if someone leaves, usually they've been in that space for a very, very long time. Oh yeah, they have to find the clarity in themselves of what are their yeses and what are their noes, and how are they honoring that fully and then bringing it to the other person to then find their yes and no and come to a conclusion. It's very assertive, it's very.
Speaker 1:In some ways, is where we become very 3D, yeah, and I would say yes, and it is a very 3D, very practical issue, because for so many people it does have to do with your practical needs as well as your emotional and romantic needs, so which are practical as well, but it's all wound up in your survival.
Speaker 1:But I would say for the younger generations, I guess if you're born like 1990 or or more recent, you probably have a different set of relationship issues than those of us who are older than that, because those of us born before 1990, I would say are dealing with some pretty deeply set wounds because not only did we inherit those things, but now we've had several decades of reinforcing them in our relationships. It's like what you just said about not doing the relationship for both people. I would say that I and most women my age probably don't even know what that would be like to not try to do it for everybody, because that's just sort of what you're indoctrinated is what is you're doing. But so, fortunately, with each generation I think we're getting closer and closer, and the ones that are coming up now they'll have watched us go through this, so they'll have a whole different template to work with. But it all depends on how deeply set that template is within yourself, on top of your ancestry right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 100%. I think it's interesting and maybe this is just seeing younger people. There's a lot of wisdom in them, that they have a different wisdom than maybe us older folks that are going through this really, really deep change that they somehow get this stuff as soon as they get it. They get it Like they're not spending this time having to really chew on it or digest it, like they understand. Oh yeah, that doesn't feel good, I'm more of the amor and they get it on this interesting level that I'm like oh, thank God, thank.
Speaker 1:God, yeah, and thank God also that they're masculine and feminine energies aren't as separated as the older generations are. You know, and they even look at the older generations that are like what are you doing? Like why are your energies so starkly separated that way? So they're much more fluid and I just you know, I feel like with every generation you just can learn a lot from watching that. I don't know why it's handled there, but so another scenario is someone who's not in a relationship but who wants to be open to one or wants to date. How would you guide them to go about getting into that from an energetically aware place?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a great question. I think a valuable exercise is going back and listing all of your exes and then saying and looking at them and saying what did I learn from this relationship? What worked, what didn't work, what did I learn? Am I still in resentment and have I forgiven this person? And if you go through each person, you're gonna get a really good understanding of what your trauma patterns are and also what your needs are in relationship. And so it's like then having an honest dialogue with yourself, saying, if I'm willing to go out and date, I'm gonna be honest about my needs and I have to be able to speak them. Many people do not know. They think they know. Oh, here's my love language is touch. My love language is access service. That's all very valuable, but really putting that on the table this is how I want to be loved is really important, because one of the things my mentors taught me was we must teach people how to love us. If we assume that they know, then we're probably gonna be disappointed.
Speaker 2:We have to be able to really clearly communicate that but also then write as within, so without, as above, so below, or we really have to give ourselves that deep love, kindness, compassion, tenderness that we crave from their relationship. Because then, if I am giving it to myself, I'm not coming to this relationship needy and needing you to give me anything. I'm wanting you to enhance my life, I'm wanting you to compliment my life, not fill a void. So I think it's saying where am I at in that place? Am I dating because I'm lonely or am I dating because I'm truly ready also to show up to love someone else as a divine partner? Because it's a cool order, right? It's not about often we go into I'm, I want to be loved, I want to be loved. But when we're really in a high place of consciousness it's saying how do I want to show up ready to love someone else, right, right, but that's because I loved myself first.
Speaker 1:Yeah, looking first at not at who will love me and and how do I find the person who will love me and who I can love, but also how do I want to love and how do I want to be loved. Yeah, just you know. Just like you think about your sole purpose and your job, you know how do I want to feel when I do my work. How do I want to feel when I experienced, how do I want to feel when I live in my dream house. Same thing, how do I want to feel when I'm in this partnership and then calling that, in manifesting that energy because it will come through the path, that Spirit says oh, that's that energy is going to go through this person that you know can be in your life. There was something that just came up with, the calling it in. I'll come back to it. Is it ran away from me? It was like a little fishy.
Speaker 2:Well, india. I'll say something else about what I find is a phenomenon that happens when especially if you've been doing the work and you've been healing your wounds you've been going to therapy and like all this is like, okay, I get this and I'm ready. When, then, you decree to the universe, I'm ready to call in my divine conscious partner Everything not like it's going to show up to make sure you're sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's not it and that's you said. You're saying that you want this. Have you truly healed from this? Because I'm not. The universe is very sophisticated and showing you your wounding, and so when we're really really cleaning up our stuff and we're really getting in our boundaries and our self love, we must say no to things that were once very seductive or enticing, but just familiar, Yep.
Speaker 1:Yep, the thing that got away was I wanted to mention the four agreements book because just today the second agreement came up, which was don't take anything personally when you go into even relationship with that mindset of you know this person is a whole, this is a whole person with their own perceptions and their own things that have already happened.
Speaker 1:That nothing to do with me and I'm going to just notice those things and see, you know, from that place, if we're meant we are definitely not taught to do that that almost sounds archaic, you know, like arranged marriage or something. But if we, you know which, in some ways maybe they were onto something, because maybe they were looking and going. You know, when people back, when people in ancient times were more in touch with their spirit selves and the earth, they probably did have a better sense of what would flow and work, you know, and they could probably trust the people who love them to know, oh, this is going to be good, you know, maybe, but now we are making it so personal and making it so. Is this person rejecting me, you know? Is this person giving me a stamp, or I mean literally, but with apps? Is this person, you know, approving me or not. That seems to have thrown a whole other wrench in things, because then we're just letting our egos go haywire with this whole rejection wound and that also because of artificial intelligence.
Speaker 2:Yeah, texting and the apps and social media it's also creates an addiction pattern in the psyche, right. So in some ways, when we will talk about, oh well, there's hot and cold energy, or it's come here, go away, or oh, they liked me and then they didn't respond, so we've never been actually thrown into the cauldron of reality, which also keeps the brain on a scientific level in addiction patterns as the same, the very same way it would as if you were on cocaine.
Speaker 1:And it removes a very important part of a relationship, which is feeling someone being present with someone, feeling their energy, feeling their body language, feeling their intonations. It's like you're just removing all that and expecting yourself to be able to interact in this meaningful way, and it's almost absurd.
Speaker 2:And then do words and actions match, Because it's easy on technology to be like. People love to speak all kinds of wonderful things, but then it's showing up outside of that, you know it doesn't have to.
Speaker 1:I almost think now that if you're in a romantic relationship, you should probably not do texting at all, unless it's like you know emergency stuff, like you should not communicate by text because you're just adding a whole other layer of stress that no one needs.
Speaker 2:I mean, unless you have the same text. Love language, yeah, okay, right, because then it's like oh, you're not going to get into that weird withdrawal pattern.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Someone who isn't available. But yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1:I'd just be like you know what, in person only.
Speaker 2:That's yeah, but that's no. No, I self right, Nobody need in person. Yes, you should have an agent to really know. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so much of it is the believing that you are worthy of what you need, right. So, like with the person I was talking about earlier who just needed to know, like, are we even dating? You know, she obviously had a belief that, like I don't even really deserve, like I don't, I'm asking too much to even, you know, ask what is the nature of this? Yeah, and you know, sometimes we just really don't believe.
Speaker 1:We deserve what it is we need, yeah, and then sabotage and try to control and manipulate people into giving it to us, without them really knowing that that's what we need. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So right now feels like what we're trying to do as people is simultaneously heal these things and interact in relationship, and I really have felt spirit giving us a big old timeout, saying like how about you just focus on the healing? Mm-hmm. But that is extremely uncomfortable for people, self included, because you really have to find other ways to fill yourself. It's like if you quit any other habit, you know you just have to find other healthy habits and you know. But that's part of self love, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, because we, if we can get our own mask, we can internalize a healthy masculine and feminine within ourselves and they become best friends and they become and they co-create together within right, because the feminine is the noun, the masculine is the verb, it's the feminine is omega, the masculine is alpha.
Speaker 2:This is there's a polarity here within us for sacred union. So we can't really get it outside of ourselves unless we're actually doing a very deep dive within ourselves to heal. Where am I actually not in a good relationship with myself? Where is the dream split? Where is there not good communication? Where am I not taking care of myself? But I actually am lonely for someone else to take care of me, right? This is all our existential dive. Also, when we're healing this, to face our own loneliness and not abandon ourselves in our loneliness because we're so used to externally getting our needs met not that we don't need that or require that to feel good, to feel healthy, to feel whole. But if we have it missing inside of us, we'll find a partner that will mirror that back for us and then we'll bring the missing boat.
Speaker 2:So we heal the part of me that's. I'm just using lonely as an example, because that comes up a lot for people on this journey that are asked to kind of do the deep dive within. How do I love the one so deeply that's lonely right now and not abandon myself, not reject this part of myself or judge this part of myself, but embrace it as part of the human condition and part of the healing journey?
Speaker 1:Yeah. So in your daily life, how do you embody these two energies? What does it literally look like for you, as you're processing life, to embody your feminine and your masculine and have a conversation between them?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean it's a great question. I have done a lot of work, so I feel like I've internalized a lot of it. So it kind of feels like I'm all, for the most part, on the same page. Of course, there's always parts that are needing refinement. I would say it's like if I have goals, I'm basically my feminine dream, I'm presenting that for the day. So maybe it's just like I need to like book things on my calendar, maybe I need to do very 3D task, I need to go to the bank, I need to go grocery shopping, I need to do all these things. Now I can just do those mindlessly and they're just like, oh, I have to do these things, blah, blah, blah. But if I really take the time to slow down, I'm realizing, oh, I have a need and I'm meeting a need. My feminine is requiring nourishment, my masculine is actually meeting that need. What would it be like for me to really like, bring that out and really thank my own masculine for doing that for myself? I can probably give you some. I'll give you some big ticket examples that are maybe more palpable of when this comes in for me. Okay, so here's an example.
Speaker 2:I really wanted artificial grass in my little casita here and it was a pricey thing, and I kept talking myself out of it because I kept seeing, I want this grass, I want to be able to do this in my garden and I can plant these things. And I just kept talking myself out of it and what I realized was this is my feminine having a dream and my masculine and his scarcity thinking Well, you don't need that. Why would you need that? You can go without it. Why you can't do anything, all the excuses, right, that if a partner was saying this to me, I would be devastated.
Speaker 2:That he just pushed my dream because this is my vision that I want for myself, right? And so in that moment I thought, oh, I'm asking my masculine to complete a dream for me and a task for me. Will he bypass me, my scarcity thinking, and push past that illusion and meet the dream that's come through me? Because it has come through me. It means it's doable, it means I'm the only one putting limitations on it. And so then I had a dialogue with myself around okay, this is why I want it, this is the purpose of it, and I got it. He did that. So I say he and she just to kind of to have these parts make sense, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then he made it happen. Yeah, Made it happen. And then I was sitting there thinking I just, I just did the thing that I would want my partner to do for me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and he just eliminated the possibility of attracting in a partner who would not do that for you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, or say they're going to do it or someday. I mean, I have a whole history of wounding, of like, oh honey, someday, oh honey, someday, right. And so here I am, oh, someday. Well, someday may never come and living, I'm kind of live now and I'm also in my feminine, trying to embrace beauty and pleasure and joy. And here's this thing that would actually provide that for me and it was doable. It wasn't like I couldn't do it, right, I was just in my limitation, thinking, and so that makes it really clear.
Speaker 1:Thank you, because now I'm thinking of lots of examples, like maybe you feel like treating yourself and you're feminine, and so you go shopping and, and you know, you find a few outfits and then the credit card bill comes and you're like, oh, I was so stupid and I I shouldn't have, you know, been so, you know, extravagant. And now you know, and just berating yourself, that might be like, you know, your mask, your inner masculine, judging you and making you feel bad for for being lighthearted and and being.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Uh-huh, and it's so personal, right, this is such a personal thing around you. What are you? Because only you know what you want to create. You know you want. I'll actually give you another example, because it's just happened and I didn't realize it till kind of after the fact.
Speaker 2:Um, but I was um out and getting a drink with some friends and they didn't have the garnish of the orange. But the orange is the thing that kind of made the drink without the orange. It didn't, it wasn't the same and for whatever reason, I was uh thinking there I'm by all these restaurants, one of them has to have an orange, right? So the woman, the waitress brings me this drink, which was great, and I was like I'll be back. So I didn't think about it, got up, went to one place. They didn't have any oranges either. Strange thing, I go to the next place and I go to and I do have a garnish of an orange. Yeah, actually I do. Gives me this, I go back, I put it in my drink and I and I had it and I thought you know what? I just didn't make myself an inconvenience If I'm sitting here thinking like I could take no for the first answer, but something in my spirit really wanted to enjoy it this way, yeah, and desired the pleasure.
Speaker 2:The feminine is very nuanced in what she likes. Right, she goes. No, I wanted the thing with the umbrella, I wanted the thing. I wanted the. It wasn't that shade of red, it was this shade of red, so right. So our feminine has a very nuanced way of doing it. So afterwards I thought, oh, my masculine just took care of my feminine and it took me what? Two minutes to do, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And the thing that I'm getting about this is I actually had a dream a few years back when I was, when I was dating a man, and in the dream I met a restaurant and I had ordered grapes and there were no grapes. And in the dream he said to me I'll go get you grapes and I go, you will. Like. I was so like shocked that someone would do that for me in the dream. And he's like, yeah, I'll do that. And he, in the dream, he went and bought me grapes and then I woke up and I was like that's what I want and your subconscious was telling you that you want this kind of masculine energy.
Speaker 1:Wow, Well, and it works the opposite way I mentioned too, Like if you're a masculine, you know, and and you're just working yourself to death and you're just so tired and you're, you're feeling drained, letting your inner feminine take you for a massage, or, you know, let, let, let you be taken care of and pampered, and, you know, let yourself. But men have such a there's such a stigma with things that involve self care. But letting yourself I mean, they're used to being, I know there's not as much now, thank goodness, but yeah, letting yourself be your own feminine caretaker too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and then you know, and then in some ways also it takes the pressure off of a relationship. Right, If I know how to do that for myself, I'm not in the oh, I'm, I'm seeking this kind of fantasy. I'm, I'm, you know, and I'm not getting it and I'm not in the neediness of it. It's like, oh, I actually know how to do that for myself and it feels really good. It's actually really simple. I'm just yes to myself, which means I can then say yes to others, because I have filled my own cup, and my cup runneth over for for all of me, for the whole of me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so much of what we're doing is not eliminate. Not eliminating the need for relationship or eliminating the need for masculine, feminine. It's not that saying loving yourself is saying I don't need anyone. It's changing what we are allowing a partnership to be. Because in the old world a partnership had to be about survival. It had to be about you do this, I'll do this, you do this. It had to be conditional. We're leaving that old world behind. The spirit says it's now time we get to have a world that is unconditional, a world where things can just flow, a world where things can just be balanced and reciprocal. It is just an ungraceful flop at times into this new way, but it really is happening One by one. It's just not pretty sometimes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think also a piece of this that's us. I mean, these are just like. It's easy to get the nuanced detail as an individual, but if we macro and look at this, we live in a culture that lost all its initiations. A boy being initiated into a man there was a rite of passage that he would go through that his psyche then would develop and he would step into that place. This would be natural. This wouldn't be something that get the reading of a book he went through with other men who knew this was what we needed to do to become conscious, to become whole, become in our maturity. Same thing with women. There was rites of passages from the maiden to the mother, to the crown. So these are coming back into consciousness really well right now.
Speaker 2:So these two, we can be hard on someone, but they may be stuck in a very young consciousness. They really need these rites of passage or they need some way for someone to help train them or help evoke in them these other qualities. So we're all like one of my teachers would say, elder Melodomus Ome, who passed away, but he would say we live in a sibling society. So we're looking to our sibling like, hey, how do you do this? Hey, how do you do this? But they're just your sibling, they're not your elder. So as we're growing up and we're like the way showers for this, we're also stepping into the place of being able to be the folks that have the initiations and that can help people grow into the maturity, to be then in conscious relationship. So it's a real commitment to the self and to consciousness, and to humanity and to each other.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it can be difficult, but it's definitely worth it, because I know that if you're on this path, if you're doing this work, you can say, if you really pay attention, you could say, yeah, I'm seeing the improvement, I'm seeing the results, I'm seeing my reality change, and it's just painful at times, but it's happening, trusting spirit just flowing with it, and I'm just so grateful for you and the work that you do. It really is transformative and magical and I'm so happy to share you with everybody here and so anybody who wants to get in touch with you, to work with you. Tina Madeline, what's your contact information?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so my website, which is just tinamadelinecom all one word and or my phone number, which is 917-312-6659, text or fine for inquiries and stuff, so yeah.
Speaker 1:And you can do it over Zoom and yes, it's a wonderful. I've really enjoyed working with you and I've enjoyed everything you've taught me and everybody here, and thank you so much.
Speaker 2:Thank you, india. I appreciate it so much. Appreciate you, you too.
Speaker 1:Thank you.