The Guides With Intuitive India Leigh
Guides come in many forms: spirit guides, angels, our own higher selves, our inner children, our bodies — and we serve as earthly guides for each other as we share, reflect and activate our unique and powerful gifts, experiences, perspectives and energies. Through spirit-centered messages and conversations, intuitive reader, clairvoyant, claircognizant and coach India Leigh leads listeners through guidance, metaphysical and mystical teachings and more. Listen to and learn from energy readings and gain spiritual insights from India and a wide array of other teachers and guides. You can learn more about India and book a personal session at indialeigh.com.
The Guides With Intuitive India Leigh
Wake the Hell Up: Demystifying Spirituality With David Hanzel
Ever feel like spirituality has become unnecessarily complicated? In this refreshingly honest conversation, medium David Hanzel cuts through the noise to reveal what truly matters on your spiritual journey.
David shares how breaking free from external expectations allowed him to write authentically about spirituality without worrying what others might think. The conversation takes a fascinating turn as we explores our relationship with time and existence. "The past isn't past," he reveals. "It's never been the past or the future. It's always been this moment." This perspective transforms how we view not only our current lives but concepts like past lives – seeing them as different perspectives of the same eternal consciousness rather than separate existences.
Whether you're new to spirituality or have been on the path for years, this episode offers practical wisdom for cutting through spiritual myths and reconnecting with your innate knowing.
David's book Wake the Hell Up: Demystifying Spiritual Myths to Uncover Your Authentic Self is available on Amazon, Barnes & Noble, and other major platforms.
Connect with David Hanzel at theywhispertome.com
Learn more about, book a session with or contact India Leigh at indialeigh.com
Hi, this is Intuitive India, lee, and this is the Guides Podcast, and this episode is a conversation with the wonderful, amazing medium, david Hansel, just one of my favorite people to work with and talk to, and we have known each other for nearly a decade now and he is just such an incredible guide, earthly guide, for all things, spiritual and energy and the other side, mystifying the spiritual experience and um really helping you if you are someone who is just, you know, coming into your working, awareness of all things metaphysical and the other side. And so we really delve into um the spiritual myths and realities of living in alignment with your highest truth, your most authentic self, and really weaving together all those dimensions of being that you know that we are physical and spiritual and everything in between. So we'll dive into our conversation right now.
Speaker 2:I'll tell you the secret. It took me forever and I'm still working on my other biography thing, and that's something different. I even changed it from when I showed it to you years ago. Something different, I even changed it from when I showed it to you years ago. And this book I just got the inspiration for it and I thought you know, for now I'm going to get inspired, I'm just going to start doing it. And then I worried. I did a long period of time about worrying. Okay, I have to write a book a certain way. This is how books are. And then one day I just said you know what F it, I'm just going to write it in my voice. I don't care about grammar, I care about how I sound, I don't care if I say the word really, I don't care if I say spirit instead of the spirit, I don't care, I'm going to write it the way I want to do it. I'm the one publishing it. So screw everybody else.
Speaker 2:And once yeah, so releasing yourself from that social history, from social, some social norms even. It's got to sound like this that's not what a real author, a literary author, sounds like. Well, what this one sounds like, so do pen right.
Speaker 1:So so, yeah, you've inspired, inspired me to to make that happen, and and it does feel like. What do you feel like having done that now Almost like a few times, because you have, I know, a few drafts that you're also working on all the time, and so you've published this and and you're, you've got so much else in the works. What do you feel is unique about presenting the teachings of spirit and the teachings of you as a vessel, spirit and a teacher in that form, versus other ways videos and blog even?
Speaker 2:Writing-wise. Yeah, what's different? Well, for me, even like with the spiritual book, that that was just a quick one. I wanted to get that one out there and I thought it was important to get it out there. Um, just because a lot of people have written to me and said, wow, that really cleared up some stuff. Thank you for saying it, because we thought about this but we didn't want to say it out loud because everybody else in the spiritual community would tell us blah, blah, blah and I screwed the spiritual community. You know, you got to do what you do as far as the well.
Speaker 2:My next one is called God's not a dude and that's that one is all about and I've never deconstructed from. But I do research now, I do tons of research. So, whatever I talk about, like everything I even talked about in my spiritual book, I researched it first and I do something called sparring, where I can put it in spar mode, where I put out a concept and it comes back with what every naysayer or every other skeptical thing or science would come back at me and tell me and I would say I hear you, but this is what I'm saying and I said you cannot deprove and I'd have it go through. Can you disprove this, can you? And it'd be like we cannot disprove your theory, we can still say because. Then it'd go back and forth because I'd ask my guys I'm like, are these theories? I'm doing, I mean, I'm listening to you guys and I'm listening to all the information. They're like no, you're interpreting the way you're supposed to interpret it and you're interpreting on a large scale.
Speaker 2:There's so many people out there who do not know what an inner child is. There's so many people who do not understand that concept. Some people literally think if I I say inner child, they literally go. I don't. When I have an inner child, I'm like, not literally, not literally a inner child inside you. I said you have moments, you have memories, you have an essence of you that is still there back from, because you're the same exact person you were then you were five. You're just seeing things from another point of view. Somewhere along the line you acquired knowledge and that's why you're seeing it as a perceived adult now, even though your spirit is no much older than it was when you were born. It's the same, exact, it's just different perspectives. I find that when I write it in a book, it lets the reader sit there for a minute and go wait. Let me reread that.
Speaker 1:I do kind of trip out on that thought sometimes, where I'm like. You know, this is essentially the same moment that I was living when I was seven. It's just that that moment has stretched through many happenings on this earth, but it's like essentially the same moment, like it is.
Speaker 2:People ask me about the other side. That was as life goes on too, even from my nde, and I've realized that when people talk about like the past, which is actually not past but I mean that's the way we say it and people understand it like that but the past isn't past. The past is here. It's never been the past, it's never been the future. It's always been this moment. We're always living in it.
Speaker 2:Um, yeah, but even when you think about reincarnations, people get so caught up on a past life. It's like it's good to know them. If you're curious and you're, and you're supposed, then you're supposed to seek that out, then go do it, for whatever reason you used to do. But if you're not, don't let somebody tell you that you have to know what you did in another life because you weren't in another life. You're you. You're who you are now. That's who you are. You are concentrating on this one.
Speaker 2:When you think about your past lives, it's the same as us thinking about our childhood. It's kind of like oh yeah, that's there, yes, but I'm not in that moment right now. It's the same with past lives. It's like I'm here right now. I know this happened, but I'm not in that moment, right now. It's the same with past lives. It's like I'm here right now. I know this happened, but I'm not there. I'm here, yeah. So it's the same exact thing.
Speaker 2:We don't people always say you know, do you forget stuff when you die? And you can do forget all your past lives? It's like no, in fact you have more memory of it, kind of like after my coma, I had more memory of when I was younger. I remember a lot more things than I did before the coma. Yeah, memories get unlocked. Same thing when you pass, memories get unlocked. So you remember certain periods of time where you were observing something, either as a younger person, a different person, a female, a female person, a doctor person, a male person, you know whatever and how person you were or thing you know.
Speaker 1:We start identifying with the smudgy lens. It's like if you had glasses that had scratches and smudges on them. And so as you look at the world, you're like, wow, wherever I go, there's that one big line in front of me. You know and and your mind is telling you all that all the time. Like you know, I am this and I always have this thing. But that's really like a scratch on the lens where it's like no, that thing is not there. You're perceiving that through your mind filter that's scratchy and scratchy and dirty. But if you took those off, you know you would be perceiving from a different level. That's always clear.
Speaker 2:And you can make a good point. Basically, what we're doing are putting on different tints of sunglasses.
Speaker 1:Yes, exactly, or taking them off.
Speaker 1:Yeah, or taking them off and I think we just identify so much with yes, exactly, you know, and you got to see what's there for you, yeah, or taking them off, taking them off, and I think we just identify so much with the view that we've had the most through those glasses. So it's like, you know, for most of my life I've perceived myself in this way. You know, because I can think back to even different lifetimes within this lifetime. You know, my 20s or whatever. It's like. Oh my, my god, that life was so different and that me would not identify with this me any more than I identify with that exactly it's the same for your past lives too.
Speaker 2:that past life might not identify with this one, because I'm the same way I'll look back of when I was like in my 20s and I'm like. That's not even me. It doesn't feel like me, it's an experience, that's all I know.
Speaker 1:But the essence of our core is the same and so it's just. It is something where I feel like what we're coming into and I love that your book is aimed at people who are just starting to um, to start to make room for this possibility but what we're coming into essentially is a is an ability to toggle back and forth between the mind and and the heart or the spirit.
Speaker 1:And you know, to, to, to switch those lenses quickly, to be like, okay, now I'm looking through my mind eye. Okay, now I'm looking through my heart eye. Okay, now I'm looking through my eye of intuition, you know, and to really understand that it's all going to be just like you said. That way of perceiving it's not changing the essence of who we are it's not even even after death.
Speaker 2:You know I was trying to voice and I'll probably get it out there in some way. But if we would stop going through this life as if it was going to end, things would change. You would do things differently automatically. So I tell people don't fear death. Death is nothing. That's an illusion. That's something that everybody says has to happen and that's just it.
Speaker 2:But if you do everything here with the undertone that someday you're going to die, so you either have to hurry up or you're too late, but what if you just do it? What if you? Just what if? What if, when you're 70 years old, you said I'm going to study to be a ballerina, but people are like you're 70. Why not? Why not study? Why not start learning you? You can just keep learning it.
Speaker 2:Well, what if you know you'll die and you won't be able to do it? That's not true. Life continues. You don't know where you continue to. You may die in this life and immediately come up at another life at that same level at the end of that and continue on from there. You don't know.
Speaker 2:So why would you take that chance of saying I'm not going to start something now, knowing that I can't finish it. Why don't you just start it now? Who cares, you know, is that 90 year old going to be that 70 year old, going to turn 85 and then maybe have the heart attack and not ever get on stage? To our perception, yes, but to their perception, no, because they're still living someplace. They're still doing something someplace, wherever that is, whatever they've chosen, they're still doing it and they still have that with them. They still have that knowledge of that.
Speaker 2:So that's what I think some people who come in here sometimes that's almost how I think of children who come in here with knowing how to do stuff, prodigies did that same thing. They were doing something in a life and it was going all the way to the end. And when that life ended, they said I'm going to continue, I'm just continuing to do it, I'm just continuing to do it. And they just ended up being born and went into it and just there I am never even had to stop on the way. They might not have went to a spirit world and sat there for however long it was, and said, well, that was a cool life. They might've just continued their life.
Speaker 2:Mm they might have just continued their life. Because who says you can't Nobody, ever. I think people fail to remember. No one ever said that you die. Go into a tunnel of light and see all your loved ones, your pets and everything, and they go. Oh what happened? And then you live there for a little while and then you reincarnate and come back. You don't have to do that. You can go straight through.
Speaker 1:You can go straight on through, and so many souls do yeah you know, people forget about that yeah, so I I believe that one of the things that resonates so much about your writing and and your videos and every way that you communicate is your, your voice, because your voice, like you said, it's how you speak, it's how you express and it's so uniquely. You and even the book title wake the hell up, but it's like it's just dating, you know, and that's just, that's just you, because you don't, you don and you know. It's your energy to not worry about perceptions and you know what people's judgments and things like that. So I feel like that helps people receive you know truths, because they know that you're not Well.
Speaker 2:I'm still learning that. It's not just something that I know inherently. I'm still learning that myself. I just something that I know inherently. I'm still learning that myself.
Speaker 2:I'm still practicing and every day just saying I'm just going to do what I'm going to do, yeah, I just met today on tiktok and I said right at the end of my video on tiktok today, I said you can comment or you don't have to comment. I don't even care on this one. I'm not looking for clicks. Yeah, it was just all about what not to fall for, you know, and that's just all you got to do yeah, is there.
Speaker 1:Is there a voice in you that kind of works against you sometimes, that that foggy lens and if you know, and makes you kind of what if people do think this or what if people? What does that voice say, if it says anything?
Speaker 2:You know, I do have at times. There are times, like when I make certain videos or make certain things, I rewrite, rewrite, rewrite rewrite.
Speaker 2:And the reason it is is because I'll put it through and I'll go back through and I read it. I read it in my voice, I read it to myself and I think to myself put yourself in other people's positions, how are they feeling about this? And then I'll go. You know what I'm sounding too much like this or too much like that, and even though that's my voice and it's okay, that's not what people need. So I adjust my voice for that. So it's all about kind of stepping into everybody else.
Speaker 2:It's kind of like recognizing that my voice will say even though that's you, you don't need to be that angry, because I've written things from a 3D point of view, a 4D point of view and a 5D point of view, and a lot more of my stuff comes from a 4D point of view, which is the questioning. I'm always questioning. I usually don't do the 3D point of view anymore, but every once in a while I'll say what is my 5D point of view? And I like the 5D point of view. And the 5D point of view is I just don't give a shit. I mean I'm sorry, I don't care about this, that and the other thing. I mean I care about people and all that. But I don't care how you're going to do this, I'm just going to say it. This is the way I have the information. I know I'm going to say it and I can say it this way and I'll like scold myself and say, david, you can't say it like that because that you're just being angry.
Speaker 2:Dave, you want to write from 5D Dave. 5d Dave isn't angry about anything, because 5D Dave says everything's cool, everything's the truth, everything's OK. Say what you need to say. I go from that opinion, so I try that more and more and more and more. I mean still sarcastic. Dave steps in. You know, of course. You know. Start acting, dave, don't take things too way, too too serious. Dave, uh, that's always going to be there. I think that's the only reason. I think like I get so much information from these guys, because they're like we'll give you the information you just translated in that way, because you can understand the way we say it yes like oh okay, so that's what I am.
Speaker 2:I'm your simpleton and I don't mind that. I don't mind that at all. I don't mind that at all.
Speaker 1:I just try to keep things as simple as I possibly possibly can you, but you do reach people that way and you know you here and there I used to think, how many do I reach?
Speaker 2:and then I thought you know, I somebody you know. I always said, even like when my readings, I was like, don't worry about you, you want as many people as you can to do it. And even if five people get it, that's all that was needed for that one message. Maybe you were only speaking to five people, and that's okay. One day you're going to speak to a thousand people. One day you're going to speak to five people, and that's okay. One day you're going to speak to a thousand people. One day you're going to speak to five people, you know, and that's just it.
Speaker 2:You can't get caught up in that. If you get caught up in anything other than that, like, why isn't anybody watching my stuff? Yeah, I always say when I say that, why isn't anybody watching this? I'm going to make something that everyone's going to watch and that one doesn't get watched. But it's the one that I go. You don't know, I don't give a shit. I just got to make this one because it's really on my nerves and I feel like I got to say it. And then I say it and a billion people watch it yeah, and, and so the book focuses on demystifying spirit myths.
Speaker 1:And what do you feel like is the one where you were like, okay, this is the biggie, this is the one that if I can get people to to understand that this is not true, it's really going to make a big difference.
Speaker 2:It's not as even as much about saying that it's not true, because everything has a truth to it. Everything has a subjective truth to it. But what I want people to understand is I wrote that book a lot. I don't know if you saw my video my latest Angel of the Switchblade, my first one out there about the reptilians and that was based off the podcast I was doing with that person and every time that I had relatable, you know, mine was based off a childhood book that I love so much.
Speaker 2:Paranormal and stuff like that is not a scary movie to me. It's something I grew up with, it's part of my life and it's not scary. I go back to my life. I'm like, even though some things were scary back then, not one thing hurt me nothing. Yeah, hurt me, you know, but anyway, what I wanted people to know is it's the sensationalism of spirituality right now. That's what's so dangerous to know is it's the sensationalism of spirituality right now. That's what's so dangerous. The world is going through the shift. The shift is here. It started, we're here and the shift is basically saying are you ready to drop this fake stuff and remember who you are, or do you want to stay in the land of make-believe, it's okay.
Speaker 2:And that's what I tell people. You stay in the land and make believe. I'm calling out the land and make relief If I can tell you this is the land to make believe that you're watching. It's not a objective truth, it's a subjective truth, you know, and if you can get that, you can start making your own decisions and then your vibration can go and you'll be happier. And you'd be surprised once you know these things about that.
Speaker 2:That's why I said wake the the hell up. I just want to go, come on, stop thinking that politics and religion rule your life. They don't. The price of bread really freaking doesn't matter. None of that stuff matters unless you make it matter. Yeah, you can step away from that. You know the news. Every news station in the world freaking lies, even the good ones that you like, everybody does. Everybody tells a false truth. They have to. It's part of their job, because they newscasters. They wouldn't have their job if they didn't have some sort of aura or something to present to people that is entertaining in some way. Yeah, so I get it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you have to remember just because they said it to you. You can't always blame them. You're the one who listened.
Speaker 1:True. And that's the whole thing, yeah, empowering yourself and saying I'm going to listen to my truth first and then entertain whatever anybody else has to say.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the thing that, um right now I'm going to tell you too, a lot of times, what's most important is people who do say bad stuff. It's very important that you listen to that and that you get caught up in that, because that's how you know what you prefer not to have. That's how you can tell yourself from the. You can't tell yourself from everything else until you have a weird feeling about it. Right, you know what I mean. It's like Catholics are going to bug me. Well, you know why? Because you're probably not Catholic. So you can move on from that and let them go be that. Yeah, well, I don't like christians. Don't be a christian. I like protestant. Okay, go be protestant. That's totally cool. That's what you're vibing towards. That's where you're supposed to be at this moment. Go ahead and do it. You know that's how you find out what you like and what you don't like by the bad stuff coming in. So it's it's evil, isn't? That is a necessity at some point.
Speaker 1:It's amazing to me how much we will focus externally on trying to correct whatever's happening outside of ourselves with, like you said, a group or whoever, when you know it is reflecting something inside and that's uncomfortable. But when you do focus on that thing it's reflecting, you know, whatever it is. Maybe you don't like you know Catholics, because they are imposing restrictions on you, but if you look I mean on people, but if you look at the restrictions you're imposing within yourself, on you, posing within yourself on you, you probably there's a lot of them and it's so much more doable we can control it to you know, to focus on what can I change within myself? I don't know. I've always been the most activated, I guess, when I hear disempowerment, know, when I hear someone not understanding that they do have power and their power is to connect with their expression of divine energy, their expression of spirit. You know, when we're so busy focusing on other expressions that are not ours, it's just so disempowering. That's the thing that, to me, really, you have to pick your.
Speaker 2:You have to pick your perception. Yeah, you know what I mean. And if you want to, if you, if you like the negative feelings and all that because they serve you in some way, then perceive all the negative things you want. Right, that's cool. Every, every bad thing in the world can exist. You go have a good time with it. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1:But if it's making you unhappy, why do it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, why are you doing it? Yeah, then that's on you, because we literally have the chance. We literally can change ourselves at any point in time. I know people will say to me I never get this, I never get that. I'm like that's because that's what you believe. Would you stop believing that, please?
Speaker 2:there's other things I have. Do you believe you can breathe? Oh yeah, I believe I can breathe. How do you know you can breathe? It just happens. Well, that's how you need to think about all those other things, because they just are. It just is. That's just all it is. There's no other way around.
Speaker 1:It's such a habit issue, you know. I mean um, and, and those of us who have broken any big habit, big compulsive habit, whether it's smoking or eating too much sugar or, you know, gambling or whatever it is it's like it just really takes building a new habit and that's that just. I think the reason we hate that so much is that it just it just kind of we just have to do it. There's no shortcut around it, there's no. You know, you just have to allow yourself to build that new habit of. I am going to practice, you know, lifting this mental limitation off of myself. I am going to practice giving myself something new to focus on. I am going to practice trusting the universe, or trusting my own judgment or higher self or whatever.
Speaker 2:It is. I mean, as long as you start with everything, with every intention you have, as long as your intention right off the bat is this is possible. Yeah, that's all you got to say to yourself this is possible. I want to be this as soon as you go. I don't know if I can do that. Why, why we even start out something like that? No, do it.
Speaker 1:Right, and I love how you're. You're talking about the inner child, because that was the most powerful time in our lives, you know, before we learned to put on the scratchy glasses or to have the bad mental habits. It's like that was the powerful time where we were in touch with that potential, you know, and that and that truth of who we could be.
Speaker 2:And then, just little by little, those new habits get formed and I like to tell people you know what, when you're talking about that, this isn't. This isn't exactly the way I think about it, but it's very close. When we're children growing up, like right away, that's probably the closest we are to being animals. At that point, because of the fact we're just doing things, we're not worried about time, we're not worried about how things are done. We're learning how things are done, the way we're perceiving anything can happen.
Speaker 2:I can pick up a coat hanger and go in the woods and I'm an army man now. I've got everything. That's what an animal does. Animals do the same thing. They don't care, they're not worried about their watch, they don't care about time. They're just in the moment all the time, and that's what children are. They're in the moment until an adult might mess it up or adults come into play. But I think that's the closest time when we are in the animals and that's to me that animal part of you, that little fluffy, kitty part of you, is also like your inner child part. That's your. That's the part that says I'm just here right now, enjoying the hell out of life and I don't even know what the hell is about so maybe if you don't connect with the inner child thing, you can connect with the inner animal thing.
Speaker 2:You know, yeah, that's, I guess that's what I'm trying to say. If somebody can't connect to. I don't understand my inner child. Okay, then it's your inner, it's your inner puppy, it's your inner kitty, it's that. One just goes. I don't even know when it's lunchtime or it's not lunchtime. I know that I feel hungry, so I'm going to eat now. You're not worried about what time you're eating, you're not worrying about any of that, you're just doing it.
Speaker 1:I think people need to get back to that every once in a while yeah, because really the biggest difference between, like animal presence, that the present, the presence that an animal can embody, and what we're capable of, the difference is really the free will part, you know, because spirit does give us that ability to decide, do you know?
Speaker 1:And to kind of have the perspective that our minds have of, oh I have these choices and I can participate in this or not, and that's the part that animals don't have. But it's like, if you do kind of strip it down to what if I didn't have that, what would I? What would I be guided into, what would I feel the flow is taking me into? And then you can maybe practice, like with the glasses, okay, but I do have free will. So what do I want to choose? And just kind of, I don't know, I'm seeing so much in our conversation around those choices, choosing. Am I looking at this from the mind or the heart? Am I looking at this from a place of free will or not? Am I looking at this from a place of habit or choice?
Speaker 2:and you know, just choosing is that is right there. That's that's the mechanism I think of life is just making choices and choosing what you want, not what you think everybody else tells you you should do, don't? You don't have to do that, you know? That's that's. That's pretty much all we're talking about. It's pretty much that whole book is about is just wake up. It's not always this, it's not always that. There's different ways to look at things.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's a lot of different ways yeah, and the big message I've I've been seeing come up a lot lately has been that you're most empowered when you're operating in what is, in what is truly showing up in front of you, rather than letting that mind lure you into. You know well, what about those other people and what about them, and comparing and trying to fix, fix, if you're just sort of functioning in that animal presence way of what's showing up in front of me, what is the truth of what's showing up in front of me and how can I, you know, engage with that in a way that is, you know, expansive and good and, you know, brings possibilities yeah, you gotta.
Speaker 2:You gotta give yourself choices to different ways to look at it. And plus, you know what, though? People do need guidance in a way? Yeah, because even like um, even like like, I'm glad I went through my paranormal experiences growing up. I'm glad I did all the paranormal with you know who and all that, and we went on all those things. It was fun, although, like, more and more as I got through it, I got to see stuff that I wasn't agreeing with and I was like I'm not agreeing with this and they're like why? It's like because it's not true. They're like that's an opinion. It's like it's not an opinion, it's literal, objective fact. It's not true, you know, it's just not it's.
Speaker 2:I'm all about this sort of like science and I hate to get off run a rampage here, but, like science, a lot of times science doesn't say something isn't just proven, it just says we don't have the proof yet. So you know, it's kind of like when people go. Well, I just did a thing about um nde. Somebody said David, could you tell me, do you think that NDEs are what you see as caused by the DMT that's released in the brain? Because people were going around saying you know, when people die DMT releases and DMT is that trip. Everybody goes on where they see things and all that. And like I had to respond to it, it's like no, because we make DMT and near-death experiences aren't like a DMT trip. I mean near-death experiences. There's a certain thing that happens in all of them, there's a common thread in all of it, but in DMT there's not. And our brains and science because I even went back, because I looked it up I'm like does science proven that dmt, dmt is that? And then it came back when I did all the research was like no, all science has said was dmt is released in the brain during ndes sometimes. Well, it does, but it's and and but not enough. Because they literally have to take dmt and put it in an IV into somebody in order to get them to have the illusions and the weird things they have, you know. So that's what I mean.
Speaker 2:Science will just say we're not going to say the NDE is true, but we're going to say we also can't say that an NDE is caused by DMT. You know, that's what I try to get people to think about. Don't just let one thing tell you. This is how it is. Just like when people ask me what is your NDEs, what is it like to die? I'm like I can't tell you. I know what it's like when I die. I know what it's like when the people die who I talk to. You know that on the other side, I know that, but I can never sit here and say this is the order of how things are going to go, because you know what's so funny is to me.
Speaker 1:to me, the proof of these things being divine, or being the universe, or being spirit, it actually is the fact that we question it so much. Yeah, because it's like, you know, if we, just as humans, were wired differently and we just sort of accepted a new, that you know? Yeah, of course it's. We're experiencing what's on the other side and of course we're yeah, of course that's all part of life.
Speaker 1:It's like we would just never question that, we would be already aware. And to me, the fact that we question is proof that our time here on Earth is designed to kind of give us an experience, and, like many spiritual authors have written, of forgetting and then remembering. Because why else would we even ask, why else would we even doubt, why else would we be so hot to try to disprove everything that's that's spiritual? What is that about? We don't try to disprove other aspects of our experience?
Speaker 2:you know.
Speaker 1:So it's like why would we do that other than?
Speaker 2:we're also.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's part of it the world has run amok lately and it's kind of fun and interesting to watch because even like um, I have nothing against atheists. I'm like I under, I, from what I know from the spiritual side of things, atheists that. And then it's a really tough one to choose Real atheists, not the TikTok atheists that go prove to me there's a God. We don't care. I've had an atheist asking that. Can you prove to me there's? You know this and that and the other thing? And I'm like, no, I don't need to. No, if you don't believe it that's's totally cool.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to spend my time proving you something unless you really want proof. Otherwise, no, because I can give you all the proof in the world that I have. But because of how you're thinking you're going to go. Well, that doesn't mean that.
Speaker 1:Okay, well there you go, then it doesn't then move on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but yeah, everybody, every like you said, everybody's starting to ask and even other communities, like real communities, are going. You know, maybe there is something. I just talked to a lady. I just did a reading the other day for a woman and she lost her mother not long ago and her mom and dad and her she was the only child were like the three musketeers. I mean, they had a really beautiful life and that woman had oh, she just showed me some really cool things, very nature orientated family. They were very cool. They were arborists too, which was really cool. But anyway, I'm sitting there thinking she was telling me about her dad doesn't believe it yet and I said, well, I don't, you're not supposed to make him believe that she's still here. He has to come to that himself, and his mom kept telling me he'll get it one day. But he didn't come here for that and that's what made me remember that too, some people did not come into this life to remember that right they wanted the full experience of not knowing anything throughout their entire life.
Speaker 2:Those people I can respect.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Those people I can respect, but it's the people that I know.
Speaker 1:It's like you just want to disprove people you want to do everything, it's when it just starts feeling like a waste of time and energy. It's like what is the point If, like you said at the beginning, if you want to and you choose to live a life that is purely 3d and you and that is your focus, that is, like you said, respectable, that's a choice, do those people don't generally spend their time bashing people who are, you know, choosing another path either, because they're just focused on their 3d path. But if you, if you are and if you're choosing to, I do believe this and I am going to live this way, knowing that we're all connected, knowing that you know I'm growing, expanding in this lifetime, great, it's that place in the middle where there's a, there's a whole bunch of energy being put on. You know, well, let's debate it. That, to me, just feels like such a huge waste of time.
Speaker 2:It's a waste of time. Yeah, you said something very important earlier, which is important. You were talking about how gosh how I was going to put this you said how people in 3d, who are really in 3d, they just, they don't care, they're just there. And then you said people. Now, the interesting thing, you said, is like it's the people who want to debate it. They are waking up to that information. Like you said before, they, they must be, they must know that there's something different is why they're asking about it.
Speaker 2:Just like you said yeah why would we question stuff if we didn't have a question about it? So those people like call themselves out because it's like questioning. Why do you want me to explain it so much? Is it because you kind of know that there's something different and you're just don't know?
Speaker 1:how to else, because you're struggling and it's because you're struggling inside. Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's like it's because you're struggling and it's because you're struggling inside. Yeah, I mean, it's like it's like when people are the worst homophobes because they're struggling with their own sexuality. It's like you know, I mean you. The fact that you want to debate something that's so, you know, such a waste of time to debate is be lying. The certainty that you're pretending to have.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and we've only had like what a spirituality like this kind of spirituality is really only been in the forefront now. For what? Like maybe 20 years now or so, like really hardcore getting there. Well, we have to undo hundreds of thousands of years of a bunch of men who wrote stories in a book, and so we're just. You know that's. But hey, we got logic. We got logic on our side because and we got, we got stuff on our side because at least we also have science that may not believe in what we do, but they also question that stuff as well too. So I always look at science as you're not my enemy. You know you're not my enemy, even though you just try to disprove some stuff I know about. I get it, that's okay, that's okay, but I'm very happy that you're. But you're letting everybody know no, listen, we gotta have some kind of proof. No one has proof about some things written in that book. I mean, there's like literally zero proof.
Speaker 1:You know it's just whether you resonate with it, feel it or not. I mean, that's your proof, and I love what you said, too, about um this you know, resistance or this desire to debate or question it, doesn't come out of nowhere. It does come out of, you know, hundreds of years, thousands of years of conditioning and things being handed down and things that happened as a result of fear and things that really did happen back in the time of crusades, and you know real, real persecution and all these things that that are a very good reason to be afraid of, being spiritual or whatever. Um, you know, I still have people come to me regularly saying I was raised, you know, very christian. Is this okay to, to be tapping directly into, to divine? You know information and it's like, yeah, it's extra okay.
Speaker 1:So, whether it's a mantra, whether it's a prayer or whether it's a spell, we're all doing the same thing we're just calling it something different yes, but I do want to honor, uh, the journey of the people who do have a lot of ingrained fear. I don't have to be one of those, you know, because I just didn't inherit a lot of religious resistance, but I do understand that when you did, when you did inherit a lot of barriers between you know, your own inner guidance and spirit and the world, you know, and the world was literally telling you don't listen to that. I mean, I can see why it would be.
Speaker 2:I do and I feel for those people. I really do, because, yeah, I did not. I came into this world with the knowing of some things, so I had it easy.
Speaker 1:I never had to deconstruct from something and what if you came into the world with a knowing and somebody actively was telling you that was wrong all the time? Yeah, that would be really really hard.
Speaker 2:Well, they were, I mean they were doing all this stuff that I knew when I was younger. They'd always tell me that's wrong. Like you know, I wanted to talk to angels. You can't talk to angels, only people in the church can. And I'm like, oh, that's crap, it's not true.
Speaker 1:So your knowing was so deeply rooted that even them telling you you were wrong didn't.
Speaker 2:Well, it didn't work. Yeah, nothing worked, Even when, yeah, like I said, when I was five years old and they put me in that Sunday school and the teachers started talking about hell and I came out and I was like that's not a real thing. I mean, my mom's, they still remember that.
Speaker 1:And you know a little bit now getting older, but they go yeah.
Speaker 2:And you're like that's not real. That's the dumbest thing I ever heard and I'm like fricking five you know, and so.
Speaker 1:I just always knew.
Speaker 2:I just always knew that wasn't you know and but you know. But then I went through parts of. I was told later on, even like in the spiritual thing, that God was male and female. But they said in like in a different way, they made God a more human aspect, even in spirituality did. And it took me years to deconstruct from that. And I'm not saying what they said was a bad thing because it's like like Mother Nature and all that they'll call Mother and Father God.
Speaker 2:I think that's very beautiful, but for what I was learning and how I was learning it, for me me it didn't make sense and go with what I needed. I needed to know as god's neither man, woman or any of these things or a person. But I understood how they were um, talking to that spirit, you know, and it was quite beautiful, it was so nature-based, so. So that's like the worst that I had to deconstruct from. That wasn't even a deconstruction, that was just a oh, that's how you see them through your glasses, that's cool. Yeah, yeah, at least that's beautiful. You know, it's like some people see, you know some people's glasses. See, god is some mean man up there getting ready to throw you in a lake of fire. I? I'm like what do you need to take those glasses off, dear? That's why you're so angry, you know.
Speaker 1:Right or worse. They sort of portray God in a way where it's like you have to do what I say or God's going to get you. It's sort of like a boogeyman kind of thing. And that's the you know the idea. I love thinking of you being five and saying I know the truth and nobody could kind of you know tell me otherwise because that, again, is just proof of that. You know, I have a pure knowing, a pure experiential knowing that you're not going to be able to change within me.
Speaker 1:And I feel like that clarity, that kind of where you just know this connection, you know what I feel is my truth. I feel like that can be very threatening to other humans, especially in the past, because then those humans can't be controlled as easily and so it really does come back back down to that sense of power and disempowerment and can I control? You know this person or not? And I feel like that's when we say like what's the? What's the point of fighting spirituality?
Speaker 2:that's probably the point is that they don't, that you can't control people who are spiritual beings. You can't control a spiritual being because it's like you. You have no control over me. We're one. We're all together in this this is it.
Speaker 2:You can't control me, you have nothing to do with it. You know, and that's true. I mean I felt like that most of me well, not most of my life. I mean it took. It took a long time. I mean I got pressure. I got pressured by society, where I knew I was supposed to be something, but society wanted me to be something else and I said, well, if you can't beat them, join them. And I tried to be normal, and normal did not work for me. Um, it didn't work. You know, and I'm glad I went through all that crap. People say aren't you sad? You're sad. You went through all that terrible stuff like, no, I'm not, why, right, you know the?
Speaker 2:The cool thing about being spiritual, too, is knowing that this isn't my first and last dance here. This is, I can do whatever. This is nothing, it's a short little blip. Yeah, so just go on. I do like the people who think is like the all is more of a magical sense. Those people, I mean the, the nature people, or even, you know, the people that I love the way. I love their colored lenses. I think they're beautiful and they're not wrong. It's just how we're seeing something. We can all dress it up however we want to, it's still there exactly, exactly.
Speaker 1:It's like you know, um, it's like when, when you are connecting with angels, and then some people will want to be like well, how do you know?
Speaker 2:it's an angel over it and it's like, well, um, whatever perception I'm having of this energy, yeah, it's it, it's fine yeah, angels is good, because I love when people ask me about angels, because I've been working them forever since and I guess I'm calling them angels because that's what we call them while we're here, right you know.
Speaker 2:But, um, people, I was saying what do they look like? And when I was younger, people used to show pictures. I'm like, oh, those are really pretty and all that, but that's not when I see them. You know, yeah, I, yeah, I've learned that angels, um, wherever somebody says this is how I see angels, I'm like, well, you know what? That's absolutely correct, right, because an angel is going to let you see that angel, exactly as you need to see that angel If it's got one eye and feathers, or if it's got, you know, if it's a beautiful tall woman or a tall man with a sword and chiseled chest. Whatever you need to see, that's how they're going to present themselves. That's what I love about stuff like that.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, and it's just so much of spirit work and mediumship and intuitive work. It's just going with what you're getting and not wasting the time doubting or resisting it, because the more you go with what you're getting, the more you go with that flow, the more kind of evidence and reinforcement you get that you're like, yeah, this is actually really happening. You know, you don't get that. If you stay stuck in the doubt, you don't get that great confirmation.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, you don't get that. If you stay stuck in the doubt, you don't get that great confirmation. Yeah, no, you don't. And you know I tell this topic whatever you believe, is that long as it takes you to a place where you feel good.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That's where you're supposed to be. I mean, you're going to have times where you feel bad, but you feel good because, inherently, the whole universe, the whole, everything, all there is, it doesn't lean. Actually the funny thing is is it doesn't lean towards bad or good, it's all in the middle, everything's in the middle. That is the most beautiful place to be if you don't know where to go. Be in the middle, because that's like to me the spirit world. It's very positive, of course. Positive usually, the what we say light and dark. But we'll call positive light and negative dark, we'll call positive light and negative dark, even though that's not really how it is.
Speaker 2:Everything does tend to lean towards the light because of the fact, only because there's no destruction in that. If in that light part it's constant creation, there's constant more. But when you're in the darker part there's constant resistance. That's where there's lack of creation. That's why I tell people the part is not necessarily light or dark, but the part that is constantly wanting to create. That's the part everybody loves, that's what we always are going to. That would be the light, that would be the angels, that would be God, that would be good, that would be those feelings, because all those things are creative Whenever there's creativity. Whenever you're in a negative part, you stop creating. Yeah, because you're just settling, you're just there, you're just resistance. Nothing can be good, nothing can be good.
Speaker 1:That's why we have to kind of allow and we have to kind of allow that to be also because it's part of the balance, but we don't have to, like we said, spend a lot of energy pushing against it or trying to make it otherwise or yeah, just sort of okay, well, I was in the negative.
Speaker 1:Now I'm gonna go back toward the, the, the. It's like, when there's a storm and then there's sun, it's like, yeah, there's gonna be both, but you can still be happy when the sun comes out. You can still gravitate toward that.
Speaker 2:You can still yeah, you're dimension with ebb and flow, so you might as well just ride the wave and enjoy it how you learn so much, exactly, exactly, and um, oh my gosh, I love this conversation.
Speaker 1:That feels like a good place to to conclude, though, so where can people find the book? Wake the hell up.
Speaker 2:You can find that book pretty much anywhere. You can get a printable version on Amazon as well as Amazon Kindle. You can find it. Oh, oh my gosh. I got a bunch of places. I didn't even look it up. You can go to the link in my link tree. You can um, let me see if I can't quick look up D2D and it'll tell me every place. I never even bothered to look it up. I I forgot I wrote it. It's like I wrote it just because I needed to write it.
Speaker 1:Right, well, you were in the moment of writing it and then you, and then you published it, and then you're like okay, I'm in the moment of having done that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, now I'm done writing it, you know, and I am writing two more. So but, um, wow, actually, if you just even go to drafted digital origital, or if you go to Amazon and you just look up Rate, the Hell Up. By David Hansel.
Speaker 1:I'm sure there's a link on your website.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's a link in my website. There's a link in my bio. If you follow me on TikTok and go to my bio, I have about 106,000, 107,000 followers. So if it's not that, it's a fake. I got a lot of people who are. You know they are fake, fake. Oh, here we go Now I can tell you everywhere. I just found it. Finally, edit, barnes, noble, apple Bugs, everland, toledo, overdrive, amazon, kindle, hoopla, viva, la Gartner, fable you can find it pretty much anywhere.
Speaker 2:It's just wake the hell up demystifying spiritual myths to uncover your authentic self. Because that's basically the book is in the brights. I always say the one thing we always are doing in this life are trying to. We run into obstacles and things, no matter whether they're good or bad. What they're doing is pointing us back towards one thing we always are doing in this life are trying to. We run into obstacles and things, no matter whether they're good or bad. What they're doing is pointing us back towards ourself, and that's why I wrote the book. I just wanted to put some here's, some extra things for you to help point you back towards yourself. So if you don't agree with what I wrote, that's cool, because that's the kind of self you are, then If you do agree, then that's the kind of self you are but it's either way you're going to figure out and it's easy for the purpose of awareness, because you know it's not for being selfish or self-centered.
Speaker 1:The purpose is awareness because when we're aware of everything within ourselves, then we can just be in more flow with with what is and be our most powerful and be our happiest, like you said. That's what I love is that you always, you know, remind us that it's about enjoying it yeah, it's about being happy.
Speaker 2:Don't worry about when you die, don't worry about all those things, just do your thing have a good time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thank you, dave, thank you thank you india.