The Guides With Intuitive India Leigh
Guides come in many forms: spirit guides, angels, our own higher selves, our inner children, our bodies — and we serve as earthly guides for each other as we share, reflect and activate our unique and powerful gifts, experiences, perspectives and energies. Through spirit-centered messages and conversations, intuitive reader, clairvoyant, claircognizant and coach India Leigh leads listeners through guidance, metaphysical and mystical teachings and more. Listen to and learn from energy readings and gain spiritual insights from India and a wide array of other teachers and guides. You can learn more about India and book a personal session at indialeigh.com.
The Guides With Intuitive India Leigh
A New Way to Work: Inspired Career Change with Dan Swift
What happens when we throw away the rulebook on careers and start following our soul's calling instead? In this expansive conversation with podcaster Dan Swift, we explore the profound shift happening in how we approach work, purpose and abundance.
Our discussion ventures into the healing of masculine energy around work identity. For generations, men particularly have defined themselves by their occupation and productivity. Now, we're collectively learning to derive our sense of worth from internal fulfillment rather than external validation. Dan brilliantly explains his brother's concept of "the hungry ghost"—our tendency to chase external achievements to fill an internal void that can never be satisfied without addressing deeper needs.
The most compelling revelation? When we follow what truly lights our fire, opportunities appear without effort. The universe provides "winks" confirming we're on the right path—not through grinding effort, but through flow and trust. This requires surrendering our conditioning around "responsible" approaches to career and abundance, opening instead to what feels aligned and joyful.
Dan perfectly embodies this bridge between worlds with his day job, career-focused podcast, and new supernatural-themed "Wondering Monsters" podcast. This juxtaposition isn't contradictory but complementary, showing how we can honor practical responsibilities while expanding into soul-aligned interests.
Ready to transform your relationship with work? Listen now and discover why following your passion isn't just spiritually fulfilling—it's becoming the most practical path forward in our rapidly evolving world.
Check out Dan’s podcast at https://timewediscuss.com/podcast.php
Learn more about, book a session with or contact India Leigh at indialeigh.com
Hi, this is Intuitive India Lee, and this is the Guide's Podcast, and this episode is a conversation with Dan Swift, who explores through his podcast Time we Discuss. He explores different ways of working. You know, really unconventional ways of serving or having a job. That's how we connected, because he was interviewing me about being a professional, intuitive and card reader, and so I wanted to talk with him about what he has noticed, about the ways that what we do for a living, as we have called it in the past, about the ways that that is shifting and changing. And our conversation went to some interesting places, especially if you're someone who has been thinking at all about or feeling at all into moving and focusing more on your soul's passion as the way that you welcome in abundance, you know, moving away from the traditional ideas of how you have to work or what that means work or what that means. And also Dan has just launched another podcast that seems to go into the realm of the supernatural as well, so that's kind of cool. He's sort of moving between both worlds in a way that I think you will connect with.
Speaker 1:So this is our conversation, enjoy, connect with. So this is our conversation, enjoy, dan. I have been really excited to talk to you because I know that you focus in your podcast on the occupations and the things that we do for career and especially unconventional things that we do, like being a tarot reader or you know those wild and different kinds of things presenting person. You know, you may understand or you may have a perspective that I'd love to hear about on the role that what we do or how we earn or how we serve plays into just your perception of self from that masculine point of view. I'd really love to hear about that and why this area appeals to you so much.
Speaker 2:Wow, okay. So ever since I oh God, how far back does this go I've always been kind of like a people pleaser, always wanted to. I have this internal drive to help people and make things better. I've always been that way. I've always been, you know, the one to kind of put others before myself, um, sometimes to my detriment, um, but it's very much internal that, um, this need to to help other people, you know the fellow human, and kind of get them to move forward. And I've always been that way and every job I've had and not so much hobby, but every job that I've had it's always been in that capacity. There's always been that element of like customer service, to try to help people make things better on their end.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, and you know, I love that feeling of using what could be a weakness or maybe is a weakness or a difficulty in other areas of life, like people pleasing. That's something that a lot of us have a wound around. It's something that a lot of us have a wound around. I love what you're saying about using that as service, saying, okay, this could really hurt me and has hurt me probably in my personal life, this need to kind of have others be happy, but how can I use this in a way that really serves?
Speaker 2:And what have you found with that? So it's interesting. So, specifically with my podcast. So I originally started that. I'll give you the kind of short version. So, basically, my wife was no longer satisfied with her job, so she was looking to find a new job and she had been working in that industry for like 15 years and after, you know, we were talking back and forth, she decided that or we decided, I guess, that she was going to resign and take some time off, and this was, I believe, the spring of 23. And she was home during the summer, got to be home with the kids and everything like that. And while she was doing this she was trying to figure out, you know, what she wanted to be when she grew up and you know we talked about different things and she she looked into getting a career coach and you know, try to like different took the different tests to see what she would be good at, and the results came back pretty how do I want to phrase this? Not very insightful. They were not good.
Speaker 1:Like in high school when I took that test that told me I should be a florist.
Speaker 2:Yes, and they probably haven't updated the job since then. She came back. It was like a military officer, you know, and we're in our forties. It's like I'm pretty sure that that ship has sailed, you know military officer, not an option and either pilot, airline pilot or flight attendant.
Speaker 2:I can't. It was one of those, I don't remember which one. Those were like the top two and I was just amazed that in 2023, this is the best that this test had to offer. So I started looking for, you know, any any good person would do that wants to help people. I'm like I can figure this out. I can. There's gotta be other interesting interesting is the key interesting things out there. And I'm looking all over and I'm not finding any good resources and I'm thinking, you know, maybe I can create something.
Speaker 2:I know that at the time there was like a lot of people doing stuff on YouTube, a lot of people going down the podcast road, especially ever since, like COVID, I think that kind of people really got creative with that sort of thing. So I ended up, you know, I thought about it in the fall of 2023, talked to my wife about it. She's like if you want to do it, do it. And I was like I don't know, because I always get these crazy ideas and I'm kind of like an ADHD almost in that realm not to disrespect anyone that has a diagnosis, but I'm very focused challenge. I'll be all about something and I'll be into it for like months. That's like, oh, but what about this shiny object over here?
Speaker 1:But you're a Sagittarius, so that makes total sense.
Speaker 2:Yes, so she said if you want to do it, do it. I said, okay, let me, let me think about this. So this is the fall. And then it was like early December we had another conversation. I was like you know what, I think I want to give this a try.
Speaker 2:And at the time it was like not only, and actually at the time I think she had already started working a new job, so for her this wasn't really relevant anymore. But I found it interesting and I was like you know what, maybe other people could find this helpful, other people that were in her situation where it's like you're in the middle of your career, you want to pivot careers entirely. You know what skills can you leverage to make that transition a little easier? Do you need to go back into school or anything like that? Can't you just volunteer? What are your options?
Speaker 2:And then, similarly, for any young adults that are just starting their career journey, you know what options do they have? Because college isn't for everyone. College is getting way crazy expensive. So what options do they have? Because college isn't for everyone, college is getting way crazy expensive. So I tried to go into it with you know what opportunities are out there? What do you really need to do it, and I figured you know, even though at the time, like my wife, no longer needed that help but other people may. So that's kind of how that's. That perspective has helped me with my most current endeavor.
Speaker 1:Which is your podcast? Yes, so what do you see as sort of the common or a thread that goes throughout when you're talking to everyone about these things that they do? What do you hear that you see as kind of the theme?
Speaker 2:Oh man, Okay, so one of them which I haven't heard in a while, actually, but one of them is communication. You know, if you can communicate very well, that's going to get you pretty far. If you're willing to be that person to do something, that's going to get you far. If you're willing to solve problems for a person or organization, if you're willing to take that initiative, that is going to get you far. Sometimes the degree isn't always necessary. Is going to get you far. Sometimes the degree isn't always necessary. Sometimes real world experience can be traded for a degree. Sometimes that is the case. What are the good trends am I hearing? I'll have to dwell on that a little more. I think yeah yeah.
Speaker 1:So one of the things that I focus on in my work working with energies and helping people balance those energies is first, you know, I sort of threw to it a little bit in the beginning talking about the masculine energy.
Speaker 1:First, you know, we have both within us.
Speaker 1:We all have masculine, feminine and different mixes of each and we are, I feel, always bringing understanding and healing to those, the limitations and the places.
Speaker 1:We shine in each of those energies, and a lot of that we get from our ancestry, a lot of that we get from our own soul journey.
Speaker 1:You know, a lot of it just comes with the blueprint of who we individually are. But we do connect as a collective in these ways where our masculine energies are all going through something together and our feminine energies are all going through something together and our feminine energies are all going through something together. We can see that planet wide, we can see the ways these themes are playing out and, with the masculine energy and wounds, what I've seen is a lot of challenge in trying to find a perception of self that isn't entirely built around a job in the traditional sense of the job, because it certainly has been for hundreds and thousands of years that that's what the number one important thing for the masculine was is what's your job and what's your function and how do you feel like as a person carrying that energy, how do you feel like you've been bringing new light to that particular place that needs healing and love and openness?
Speaker 2:a really good question. I think for me, trying to get people to explore more what's what makes them happy on the side, on the inside, what brings them value on the inside, is kind of most important, and I try to tell people, I tell my kids, that you know. One thing I like to say too, and I'm sure I'm not the only parent that has said this you know people can make mistakes, and I've said this during my day job, I've said this to my staff you know you can make mistakes. I don't care what this mistake is, I don't care how bad it is, but you got to learn from it and and I think the job, the profession, needs to have a similar role in that you need to be happy and you need to have value to that. It needs to, it needs to do something on the inside to you. If it's not, if you're just, you know, in it for for the paycheck or the convenience or this, that or the other, um, it's it's time to look for something else.
Speaker 2:I think happiness is so important. It's so underrated, I feel. You know I've heard so many people talk about being like trapped in their job, where maybe they have their mortgages. You know that they have to pay the mortgage, you know, and they need that job. They can't afford to to exit and take a job that gives them more happiness rather than the paycheck. But happiness is so, so important. And time I try to tell people that, too, we only have so much time. That's the only thing that you can never get more time. You can offload different tasks to trade for time, but you can never get more time. That's the only thing you have that. You can offload different tasks to kind of like trade for time Right, but you can never get more time. That's the only thing you have, that you can't get more of it. So I try to encourage people that you know your time is very valuable. You choose what you want to do with it.
Speaker 1:It's very valuable and your focus is so valuable because we know that we are subconsciously creating our reality and manifesting all the time with what we're focusing on, whether we want to or not. So if we're focusing on, I don't like this job and I'm not making enough and it's just making me unhappy. If that's where most of our energy and focus is going, even if it feels like that's where it has to go, that's still perpetuating that reality, unfortunately.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's so interesting. I've heard so many people talk about that too, where it's like that desire to essentially you make it happen, you put the idea out there, and so many people it sounds so much like a new age nonsense it really does. But it's so interesting that so many people have said I chose to do this, I was going to work and it did, and the stories that go along with that are just crazy.
Speaker 1:It's amazing because, you know, and it's all about seeing beyond our beliefs that are limiting us, because we this, I can't have that, and really just challenging those and kind of stepping outside our own personal mind matrix and saying, oh well, you know, let's see. Let me focus on this in a way that is open and in a way that allows the universe to co-create something with me. That's a better fit, and let me see where that goes. I love what you said about how it's really not an option anymore. I don't think you said it exactly that way, but what I heard was it's really not an option anymore for us to be miserable and unhappy in our jobs and continue.
Speaker 1:And it's not because the universe, the divine wisdom that we all are kind of wired into, is saying well, the future is one where we have to be completely energetically invested and aligned in what we're doing. It feels like the universe is saying we don't have any more time to mess around. We don't have any more. No energy can be wasted. All energy has to go toward passion and something that feels good in order for it to work.
Speaker 1:And it feels like this can be frustrating for people who are like well, I just need to understand exactly how my job, my career, is going to play out, and it requires so much surrender and openness to follow your passion, to follow that call. You know, it's not like I set out and was like in five years I want to be a professional card reader. It just sort of evolved from where my soul was pulling me and before I knew it, that's what was happening. But it's frustrating to the mind that very much wants to be like well, I need to know what the steps are and what they're going to lead to. And the universe is like well, we don't exactly work that way anymore. Yeah, so I feel, with with what you're doing and talking to people who are doing things in different ways that that do fulfill them, it's helping to open up that energy and open up those perceptions around what work even has to be.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and don't you feel like there's so much fear kind of woven into the concept of work and career? Because the fear is, am I going to, you know, make enough? Am I going to generate what I need? And that's such a scarce place to come from, a scarce place to come from, and we're seeing it play out where even the richest billionaires can end up in that sort of scarcity energy, because that's where they're coming from. It's sort of never enough.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, I don't know if this is a real phrase or not, but I've heard my brother use this. He calls it the hungry ghost. I don't know if this is a real phrase or not, but I've heard my brother use this. He calls it the hungry ghost. I don't know if that's a real thing or not or if he made that. That's his own terminology. But the idea of constantly chasing something on the outside to feed something on the inside and you can never.
Speaker 2:Unless you address what's actually happening on the inside, it's always going to be hungry. That's the hungry ghost.
Speaker 1:Address what's actually happening on the inside it's always going to be hungry because of the hungry ghost. Wow, that's awesome. Please tell your brother that's an amazing term. Yeah, and yeah, it's so true. And we can so subconsciously be focusing outwardly.
Speaker 1:I know, sometimes, even in this work, where my whole job is just to tune into what spirit's saying and get it out there my whole job is just to tune into what Spirit's saying and get it out there. Sometimes my ego can get in there and be like well, how are you making all of it happen? How are you creating more opportunities for this, that and the other? You better get going, and I have to. You know, spirit has to kind of remind me by going oh, wait a minute, you're not controlling these things, things and move through those barriers, because there is such a reflexive or habitual focus outward that we really are conditioned from young, young to do. And you know, I feel like this young generation of kids that we're parenting, hopefully, are already starting with a more inward focused. You know. Well, let me start with what do I love. Let me start with what speaks to me, and that's certainly not what previous generations were taught to start from.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, as you go to school, you get good grades. You go to college, you get a degree. You get a good job. You get good money. It was all yeah.
Speaker 1:And it was more about, I think, like you were talking about with the test your wife took. It's more about what are you good at.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And sometimes what you're good at is very different from what feeds your passion and your soul. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And you can be good at something and and, and you know, then when you get paid for it, you're like, geez, I kind of wish I wasn't good at this. I don't like doing it, yeah, yeah. And so we're really shuffling around all the components that go into our perception of who we are when we show up in a paid purpose and how we want to direct that moving forward rather than letting the outside world direct us. Yeah, that's so different. Different for those of us who are maybe, you know, born before the 2000s. I think if you're born after the 2000s, maybe it doesn't feel that different. It's like, how else would you do it? But for those of us who do have more years of like, no, we had to do what we had to do and the way we had to do it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's so funny too with um, with, with the education system. You know the different things, that that the kids are learning and not learning. You know, and I remember, you know, when we were kids it was, you know, I had your, your rote memorization. You know these things that you had to know, you said over and over and over again until you remembered it till you know, like the back of your hand, and some of those things they, they don't have them, they're not doing it. It's so. It's so amazing too. Have you noticed this where?
Speaker 1:if you are listening to what lights your fire, the opportunities get created for you. Yeah, you don't have to find them. Is that what you see too?
Speaker 2:I would completely agree with that, yeah.
Speaker 1:So what's something that has surprised you in exploring all these different ways to serve and align with abundance? What's something that has really shocked you?
Speaker 2:So one thing that's been really interesting so when I first started doing this, when I first started doing my podcast, it was the mentality.
Speaker 2:It's like I want to do this, I want this to be, I want to be successful doing this, I am willing to put in the hard work and the time to do this. And it's so interesting that every time and this doesn't happen that often, you know, but it's enough over the, you know, 18, 19 months that I've been doing this it's interesting that every time where it's like this is hard this is a hard balancing life and my day job, you know, and my hobbies, my passion is hard balancing this it's like can I keep doing this? And then something happens. It's like a little wink and it's like, yes, you can, you can keep doing this, and then something happens, it's like a little wink and it's like, yes, you can, you can keep doing this. I'm going to throw you this little tiny life preserver. So I think, on a broader scale, that is something that has really surprised me, and it's happened more than once, more than once.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we call those in the woo-woo world, we call those confirmations, because that's spirit letting you know and it is a wink from spirit letting you know I see what you're doing, you're on the right track in moving in this new direction. Because what I'm finding, or what I'm learning more and more is true, is that the universe, or divine knowledge, wants us to have ease, wants us to have. I mean, that's why it's called flow. You know, it's not to our soul, you know, not to our mind, but to our soul to work this one job. But they also want to go in this other direction. And how do I cross that bridge? How do I tip those scales?
Speaker 1:And the answer from the guides is always move toward what feels good, trust that that's the right direction and allow the things that sort of defy what your mind says to come in. And so we're conditioned and taught in a lot of ways that we should, like you said, buckle down and move into what's hard and grind at what's hard, but actually Spirit says no, you should really be moving away from that and move toward what feels easier, more effortless, but also satisfying. Not, you know, easier like oh, I just like not doing anything because that you know, but that you're safe and supported by the universe in moving into what does feel in flow and that the abundance part will come. It just requires a lot of faith and surrender and a lot of really asking for help from the and being willing to be vulnerable with spirit and with maybe, other people and say I feel called in this direction. And I don't know what that looks like, but I'm just, you know, putting it out there that I feel called in this direction and so often that energy alone will bring in the connections and opportunities. Because you're just saying I want to move in this direction.
Speaker 1:But a lot of times we're sort of tug of war-ing ourselves Because we're like, well, I'm trying to, but it's not working, and it's like, well, that trying energy should tell you that there's some inner resistance, because you're kind of saying, yes, I want to go and flow, but then you're pulling yourself back to this other thing, but it's like, but, I have to. And it's like, well, we have to drop the end of that rope in the tug of war that is attached to those mind beliefs. We just have to, and that's the hard part. Right, yeah, in what ways? Right now, are you feeling yourself doing that, I know.
Speaker 1:For me it's like all right, I'm looking ahead at the bills for next month and I don't exactly know, I don't have planned paychecks that are going to match this amount, but I'm flowing with what I know, that my guidance is saying and and I'm just trusting, and somehow things are kind of balancing out. And that's me facing my fear, because I feel like everything should be predicted and buckled down and you know that's the responsible thing to do, but it's more responsible, actually, and spiritized, to be open and trust, you know. So in what way is that challenge being presented to you lately?
Speaker 2:Sure For me, but mostly just time, um, trying to be, trying to be present for the family, trying to be present for my job, trying to balance my, my hobbies, which bring me joy, um, trying to to balance out Um. And then that include the podcast, you know, and I actually started a second podcast with two friends. Actually, it launched today and that's. It's a lot of it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 1:It's Leo season, perfect timing. And what's the name of that one?
Speaker 2:So that one's called the Wondering Monsters Podcast what's the name of that, and it's about just the three of us having conversations about weird things. I love it. And just the three of us having conversations about weird things, I love it. And then we kind of we talked a little bit about the hit, so we dropped four episodes today to like really just start it. Yeah, so there was one on the Ouija board, the one on Bloody Mary, liminal Spaces and the Necronomicon, and the one after that is going to come out in two weeks. It's more than a two-week schedule now. It's going to come out in two weeks, it's on a two-week schedule now.
Speaker 2:It's going to be about zombies and it's already recorded. Just it'll drop in two weeks. How fun. But it's all about. It's just us having a conversation. We talk a little bit about the history behind it, where the different ideas come from, but then we also have some fun with it. It's like, you know, if this thing really worked as advertised, what would that look like? You know, if Bloody Mary were real, you know how could it be real, how would that actually work and stuff like that. And we try to keep open mind about everything and we at the end-.
Speaker 1:We've already said it twice, so stop right there. But you're not looking in a mirror, so I think you're okay. Well, so I'm like my childhood superstitions are still in there. I'm like, don't you say it again?
Speaker 2:I agree.
Speaker 1:Well, so I love that and I'm noticing just because I'm a reader and I read into symbols, I'm noticing with you in particular that you have these juxtapositions going. So one is just in your podcast. You have one that focuses on, in a sense, time how are we spending our time? Let's talk about the time that we're working and those things. And then you have this other one that's focusing on wondering and letting your mind wander into the, and letting your mind wander into the supernatural and the surreal and the paranormal. And it's interesting how you were kind of describing work that way too. There's the day job and then there's the things that you pursue, and so, just sort of observing you and just paying attention to that, I'm seeing you kind of in the middle of that bridge, that kind of rope bridge going like I'm just enjoying being on the bridge right now and I wonder, you know it'll be interesting to and it feels like you are kind of moving more and more, you know, to that I mean, you know there's no accidents, so there's a reason that we're having this discussion and, yeah, it's very interesting.
Speaker 1:What do you, you know, noticing that kind of those things within ourselves where, oh, look, I'm kind of playing with these aspects of myself, and we're all doing it, especially right now. I mean, this podcast is evergreen, but when we're recording it, it's Leo season, which is all about the self, and how does the self connect with joy? How does our self express and sometimes, like what you're describing that's in more than one way express, and sometimes that, like what you're describing, that's in more than one way. And also we're getting to know all these different parts of ourselves right now in a really deep way. It feels like, with everything happening globally, we're all being sort of strongly encouraged to focus within, to sort of keep our sanity, and so we're becoming all the more self-aware, right, and more observant of these different things within ourselves.
Speaker 1:Love that. So I love the opportunity for people hearing this to go. Well, I'm going to listen to Dan talk about work and now I'm going to go listen to him talk about zombies, and let's do both. Yeah, I love that. Be some, let's do both. Yeah, I love that. So anything else you'd like to add for anybody listening or, um, anything having to do with what's your most? Uh, you know this podcast is called the guides, so it's about spiritual guides, but also us being each other's kind of soul guides in a way. So what would you like to offer as an earthly soul guide for people listening?
Speaker 2:Well, when it comes to the Time we Discuss podcast, there are a lot of people there that offer really, really just great advice and it can really be taken, you know, in any direction. I've had a number of different coaches and they all do a number of different things. Um, I've had some people that um, like yourself, that have very unconventional careers, um, and, and it just goes to show that, so this, I gotta say this one um in, oh, I want to say it's like two or three weeks. I think I have a professional exorcist. That episode drops in like two or three weeks, so it's like early August I think, and things like that. I never would have dreamed that someone could do that professionally.
Speaker 2:So there's so many things out there that if you want to do something, really think about what brings you joy, what brings you happiness, and you can look at any of these. I have over 130 episodes out. You can look at any of them and they're going to offer you something specific to what you want to do, even if it's a different occupation or career. But if you find one that's in line with you know what you want to do. You know, check that one out first obviously but there's so many interesting people, so many interesting stories.
Speaker 2:There's so many people where it's like they, they had all of this turbulence in their life and you know they, they managed to work through it and they made it happen. And I don't want people to think that you know it's so easy when you look at successful people and it's like, well, yeah, but they're not in my shoes, like it's different for them. It's so easy to you know to say that and give that excuse. But there's just so many people that it's like, no, they, they were in your shoes. You know they may have been a different size, but they were in your shoes, been a different size, but they were in your shoes.
Speaker 1:I love that you say that, because, uh, you know, especially with the energetic and spiritual careers and, and like you're saying, whether it's working with energetic cleansing, which is what you're talking about, or working as a medium where you're connecting with people on the other side, or are doing what I do and feeling into messages, or whether you're doing, you know, massage therapy and you're helping people heal in their bodies, whatever it is, these are things that you are being activated in doing for a reason. You are being activated in doing for a reason. It's not like you know, it's not a fad, it's not anything that we're doing because society is telling us to, it's coming from somewhere. This, you know, wave of awareness, and I love that you're saying, you know, don't give in to the voice that says, well, that's for somebody else to do and not me, that's some magical person that was born with this and not me.
Speaker 1:Or, like we think about celebrities, or it's like, well, that's just a whole different thing because certainly, certainly, we all have the sensitivities to some degree to share those healing gifts and those ways of to to provide, because what we're doing right now as a planet is channeling and bringing in a whole lot of healing and a whole lot of balancing, to a whole lot of imbalance, I'll just say. But you know that was cumulative, so it will be cumulative to allow this new stuff in to, you know to, and it really is new but old, because isn't it just the, the where we started? I mean we started as humans being much more connected to our spirit, knowing, I mean certainly, native, indigenous people had you know so much deeper of a connection with our spirit selves and our energetic selves. So we're really just coming full circle, but on a new level, yeah.
Speaker 2:That makes sense. There is something more I want to add too. I just thought about this so many. Many, many years ago I heard this recording of a professional speaker. His name was Randy Gage, and one of the things that he said that really stuck with me and I'm paraphrasing because it's been a while, but it was when you're thinking about something that seems like it's impossible to do, say to yourself if it were possible, how would it be done? And the idea is that it puts you in more of a creative mental process to try to solve that problem on conquering the impossible. So if someone is thinking they're in an impossible situation, think about if it were possible, how could I do it.
Speaker 1:Yes, I love that, and that just in itself opens your mind up, because your mind is so programmed to be like well, it's not so, I'm not going to think about it, but if you go, but if it were, but if it were, and that's really all it takes is just that little bit of opening, and then the universe is like okay, good, Now we can show you all these possibilities and all these. That's when you meet people you're like I don't know how I met them, I mean, you know, or, or you come across something and you're like I don't know how that even hit my radar. But that's how the universe works. It's like, well, you open the door, but then we get a little scared and we're like let's close the door because it's scary, and we do that dance, Like I was talking about the rope bridge, you know, for a while and that's okay too Just sort of listening to, well, what feels best to me Because that's really, since the universe is coming from a place of love, that's what we want to listen to is what does what feels loving, you know?
Speaker 1:Oh, Dan, I really love talking to you. You offer such a beautiful perspective and I appreciate you sharing and being so open and so just up for whatever.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. I'm happy to, happy to talk, happy to be here. It was awesome having you on my show too. We had a really good conversation, so it's nice to connect again.
Speaker 1:Thank you, and I will include all the ways people can connect with you in the details of the podcast, and I hope we get to talk again soon.
Speaker 2:Oh, awesome. Thank you so much.