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Your Average Witch Podcast
Heather Of NVus Alien On Witchcraft, Paranormal Curiosity, And Building A Sovereign Practice
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We sit down with Heather of NVus Alien to talk tarot, shadow work, and the messy magic of the liminal. From feng shui altars and Magdalene archetypes to a time-loop haunting in Oklahoma, we trace how curiosity, sovereignty, and honest pre-work shape lasting change.
• Witch as temperament rather than label
• Envious Alien’s mix of paranormal, conspiracies, and tarot
• Altars, feng shui, and symbolic objects that anchor intent
• Baptist upbringing, Magdalene roses, and archetypal healing
• From FAFO experiments to sovereign, seasonal practice
• Tarot plus journaling as pre-work for clear ritual aims
• Patience, manifesting, and the Aries moon problem
• Shadow work, initiation, and the necessity of the liminal
• Finding community online while living in the Bible Belt
• Scott Cunningham’s influence and quantum-leaning frameworks
• Time-bent haunting at the Stone Lion Inn and devotion as a battery
• Books on haunted travel and why the human story matters
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After 2 month hiatus, welcome back to Your Average Witch! If you have a witch you want me to talk to, let me know! I’m looking for guests for 2026. In this episode I’m talking with Heather of NVus Alien. We talked about tarot, journaling, and shadow work. Now let’s get to the stories.
00:00:46.91
Kimothy
Heather, hello. Welcome to the show.
00:00:49.33
Heather
Hi.
00:00:50.98
Kimothy
Can you please introduce yourself and let everybody know who you are and what you do and where they can find you?
00:00:57.26
Heather
Okay. This is always the part that I get messed up on because I'm usually on the other side of this. So, I am Heather. I've been a tarot reader since the dawn of age of time.
00:01:13.63
Heather
I started reading when I was about 15. I was ninth grade. I'm 51 now. So for a while. What else do I do? I do a podcast called NVus Alien.
00:01:26.10
Heather
I teach psychic development. And I geek out on anything having to do with the paranormal. So that's what I'm doing right now.
00:01:37.95
Kimothy
What is NVus Alien? That's a good name.
00:01:40.91
Heather
It is a podcast about anything I want it to be. So it started out as like a paranormal podcast, but as the years have gone on, it is now a podcast about, me like well, it's like conspiracy theories, paranormal, UFOs, um fringe stuff, anything that anybody isn't talking about, i'm I'm probably talking about it. And then, you know, and then I throw some tarot in there for a fun.
00:02:08.36
Heather
whenever we want we're like oh today's the day we're gonna do some tarot readings and just kind of throw it out there so
00:02:14.72
Kimothy
That sounds fun. That sounds like my listeners type of thing.
00:02:18.31
Heather
yeah it's definitely something um where people are like i don't know about this and then you know we start talking and then like um one of my best friends is is a co-host sometimes more, more so than not. But we just start talking about stuff. And like the last episode is kind of a weird one where we talk about a synchronicity and just some of the weird things that have happened to us doing a ritual at an abbey.
00:02:43.70
Heather
And then it like literally branched out for five years where the, that ritual kept coming back around and like the weirdest kind of ways. And then it finally ended Hopefully.
00:02:59.79
Kimothy
That's cool. Cool.
00:03:00.69
Heather
Cross your fingers. oh So um we kind of put an end to it and we talked about it because it's something that people don't talk about a lot about how when you do a ritual, it kind of has a life of its own and and it it'll it'll keep playing out until it doesn't want to anymore. and So yeah, that's the kind of stuff we talk about. It's just odds and ends and just weird things.
00:03:27.06
Kimothyi
cool So do you call yourself a witch?
00:03:32.03
Heather
Um, sure.
00:03:35.80
Heather
oh yeah.
00:03:36.55
Kimothy
Or you don't, either way, what does the word mean to you and why or why does it not apply to you?
00:03:43.13
Heather
Well, it does apply to me. i mean, I started, my goodness, when did I start doing witchcraft? ah I don't know. See, that's the thing. Um,
00:03:56.27
Heather
i so I tell people that I started when I was 26, but I was talking to my sister about this. um She's like, remember when you did this little thing and like when you were in ninth grade or eighth grade? i'm like, what are even talking about? So um she said that during that time, I was communicating with the other side and I had like a a thought form friend that I created and all these things. And so I'm like, Hmm, was I, was I doing all kinds of like little rituals without even really realizing it, not knowing what I was doing.
00:04:28.30
Heather
um But so I think, I think ah being a witch is just kind of innately into my blood or something. i don't know. It's,
00:04:40.48
Heather
So when people call me a witch, I think it's kind of funny because it's more in my personality than it is something that I, you know, how does ah how i like it's not a moniker to me. Does that make sense?
00:04:53.94
Kimothy
less a practice and more just yourself.
00:04:58.12
Heather
Yeah, that. it's It's more just something that I've always done, not realizing. and I think I got serious about it in my 20s. Like I had my son and that kind of opened a,
00:05:10.51
Heather
a door for me. ah For whatever reason, having ah child ah kind of pushed me into taking it more seriously and studying it more and But it's not something that I set out to do as, I'm going to be a witch now. I didn't even think it was spiritual either. i think that's i think that's part of the reason why...
00:05:42.01
Heather
I don't really, I mean, I call myself a witch, but like, ah I'm not like, yeah, I'm a witch. Cause it, it's kind of like,
00:05:51.00
Heather
I don't know how to explain it better. It's like, it's kind of, it's not, again, it's not something where I set out to do that. Or like, can people call me a tarot reader? I kind of think that's funny too. um Because I, yeah, I read tarot and I've been reading tarot forever. And, yeah,
00:06:08.66
Heather
but It's so much a part of who I am that I don't even think of it that way.
00:06:18.56
Kimothy
Well, do you have any sort of regular practice that you'll share?
00:06:24.57
Heather
ah As far as like witchcraft?
00:06:27.20
Kimothy
Yeah.
00:06:28.10
Heather
Oh yeah. I mean, i one of the things that I i love to do is, I know this sounds weird, but I love to incorporate feng shui with my my practice.
00:06:40.34
Heather
And so, like, my my altar is placed in a ah certain direction, and um I have certain symbols, and I can't... What's the word? Iconography?
00:06:51.76
Heather
That is related to that, like, right now. um I'm working on ah bringing in better partners in my life, whether that be um romantic or just...
00:07:08.08
Heather
people in general, like, I want to upgrade my...
00:07:14.85
Heather
the character of people in my life.
00:07:16.43
Kimothy
I like the idea of upgrading them.
00:07:19.96
Heather
Yeah, because, like, my default is not so good. um And so, um I put... Okay, this is weird, but it it makes sense to me.
00:07:31.39
Heather
Um... So when my sister got married, um ah her and her wife, they they gave out each a duck and one of them is blue and that's my sister's.
00:07:43.78
Heather
And then her wife ah gave us a little duck that is yellow. um And I was like, oh, this is so cute. And in feng shui, ah when you put ducks together, um that is your soul partner or people in your life that are supposed to be in your soul family.
00:07:58.97
Kimothy
Bye.
00:08:01.12
Heather
So I took those ducks and say we're already like part of a wedding and then I put them on a mirror. um and then I surrounded it with um antlers because I'm really into like the forest naturey kind of stuff.
00:08:16.72
Heather
ah And it's like sitting there on my altar as like, look, I'm reflecting this and it's it's part of my, my natural habitat. Cause I live in the forest.
00:08:27.60
Heather
Um, So things like that. Those are the kind of things that I like to do because every time I look at it, it reminds me that, hey, you're allowed to have like awesome people in your life. You're allowed to have an awesome relationship that, you know, it doesn't reflect your shadow.
00:08:45.87
Heather
um And then behind that, I have my Archangel Michael. um And um then I have a very into Mary Magdalene. So I have her up there.
00:08:59.12
Heather
And then behind that, I have peacocks. Because peacocks are about being the star of your own life. So, yeah.
00:09:05.50
Kimothy
Oh.
00:09:06.87
Heather
So, like, every like that's that's how I like to do things. I like to, like, put things on my altar or around me that remind me of what the hell I'm doing every day.
00:09:19.00
Heather
Because I'm a Pisces, so I'm very, like, woo! All over the place. Yeah.
00:09:26.62
Kimothy
So i gotta ask, um did you grow up Catholic?
00:09:33.99
Heather
No.
00:09:35.22
Kimothy
Oh.
00:09:36.25
Heather
My family's, I know, right?
00:09:36.32
Kimothy
Huh.
00:09:38.84
Heather
My family is ah Sicilian though. So, I mean, I'm sure it's in there somewhere. um But I was actually raised Baptist.
00:09:47.29
Kimothy
Me too. But I don't, we didn't, I don't.
00:09:52.72
Kimothy
Maybe I was bad at church. i not Not even maybe. I was bad at church. I don't remember hearing about Mary Magdalene or
00:10:04.44
Heather
Nope.
00:10:04.51
Kimothy
angels that much it's like flashing back like did i learn about that ah all i remember is roll on sweet chariot yeah because that's healthy to teach your children
00:10:05.59
Heather
No, I stole it from the Catholics. but I'm not going
00:10:14.55
Heather
to No.
00:10:18.26
Heather
All i remember is, if if you're not good, you're going to go to hell. So I spent my whole childhood thinking and I was going to go to hell if I wasn't good. And then I was like, wait a minute. Wait a minute.
00:10:30.03
Heather
Right. There's something off about this. um And I started questioning it about... in eighth grade um but like that's the scary part about my background is that I was a really good Baptist like um I knew the scriptures I want like I literally won awards and stuff um for like being a good Christian and then I don't know what happened I just sort of went this doesn't sound right to me and then I just started reading and looking into other things and
00:11:05.79
Heather
The other side of that made more sense to me. But as far as Archangel Michael and Mary Magdalene, um I did a lot of training to be a ah Magdalene Rose Priestess, which brings in the...
00:11:24.66
Heather
ah not the Not the Catholic Mary Magdalene and not the Catholic Mother Mary, but I guess they're ascended master versions of them. And so it's really about like moving into the the roses, and each rose represents a different aspect of yourself than whatever you're trying to achieve or attain, and then moving into that through their ascended master energy.
00:11:49.60
Heather
It's very archetypal. Yeah.
00:11:51.80
Kimothy
Huh.
00:11:53.14
Heather
Yeah. and it's it's very quantum. It's very much about, like, a lot of it was um about, okay, so, like, the white rose is about bringing back your innocence, you know, ah like, kind of a refresh of, like, whatever you've done, it doesn't really matter anymore. We're going to kind of rebirth it, and then you go into the pink rose, and the pink rose is Lady Nada, and that's about ah elementals, fairies, like, moving into, like, the the nature aspect of life, so, like,
00:12:23.96
Heather
Tapping into like the Gaia energy and then the Mary Magdalene or the Red Rose is about reclaiming your femininity. So like dealing with like any kind of sexual trauma you have dealing with any kind of like wounded femininity you have and and rebirthing yourself through that. And it's all about the Yoni energy.
00:12:49.38
Heather
um um then you you like you move into Inanna. which is no rose, but Inanna is like about you know the whole rebirthing process. like And you go through a whole death ceremony to to rebirth yourself as you as you should be, as you want to be, and then kind of moving through your your life.
00:13:11.45
Heather
So it was kind of an intense little a bit of time there. But um now i I really, because of that, I really...
00:13:22.60
Heather
resonate with Mary Magdalene and so I use her as my feminine archetype and then I just really like Archangel Michael I don't know why I just decided that he should be there so
00:14:10.86
Kimothy
And what was that called again? Because I have never heard of any of this.
00:14:14.57
Heather
Oh really? It's called the Magdalene Rose Temple Yeah
00:14:15.30
Kimothy
Huh. That sounds really interesting.
00:14:24.39
Heather
I don't know why I was drawn to it. I looked it up one time on YouTube and i was like, these are my people!
00:14:31.77
Heather
Give it all to me. I went through a whole program. ah and did so much with it. and um One of the causes too is about like healing the earth, which I find to be so fascinating, the idea of healing the earth, because it kind of moves into druidry and hedgewitch stuff and um It's very quantum too, because a lot of it is about moving your your energy into the crystalline like parts of the universe where you're like moving underground and and using the the water and the circuitry of the the water tables and the crystals under the ground to move your own energy to manifest, but also to heal. And I was like, that is so cool.
00:15:20.82
Heather
ah love that for me.
00:15:28.03
Kimothy
So what would you say is the biggest motivator in your practice? And has it changed since you first started?
00:15:37.56
Heather
Yeah, it's changed a lot. My biggest motivator, so when I was younger, and my biggest motivator just to see, it was an FAFO situation. but Let's see, what let's see what I can do. ah oh So it was just throwing stuff at the wall to kind of see like, like,
00:15:56.54
Heather
how can I manifest? Like, what are my abilities? How do i how do I do this? Like, like, what do I like to do? So I tried a lot of stuff. um That's kind of my personality, though. It's like, i'm I'm not a person to like, read a book and then be like, okay, now I'm gonna do it. No, I'm all like, oh, the books are there. Let's just see what I can do. And then afterwards, let's see.
00:16:16.31
Kimothy
Yes.
00:16:17.12
Heather
Let's see if there's any kind of like, system for this so um definitely my my practice has become way more intentional and I'm really about sovereignty so all of all of my practice is really about that it's it's how do i how do i create a life that I want what does that look like um
00:16:49.03
Heather
Forget about the rules. Forget about other people. Just forget about all that. Like, what do I want? And so I'm, that's really my practice. It's very intentional. And the other thing too is as I've gotten, i used to think this was so trite, but as I've gotten older, i really believe in like, well, maybe it's because I live in in the woods, but I really believe in kind of being harmonious with nature and,
00:17:18.53
Heather
um really using the energy of the of the seasons and using the energy of the trees and how things like the flow of water and like really finding inspiration in those kinds of things um And even the feral parts, you know, of ah Mother Nature, like we have tornadoes here a lot and hurricanes.. And even that to me is like, okay, you know, that that's part of nature. That's that's part of of how things work. So how do I embrace that? How do i be comfortable with that? You know? um So that's really where my my practice has gone recently. Well, like in the last 10 years.
00:18:11.84
Kimothy
What do you feel like is your biggest struggle with it?
00:18:18.73
Heather
being cool with whatever happens. Like, I have an Aries moon. I'm so...
00:18:24.22
Kimothy
Me too.
00:18:25.21
Heather
Oh, doing i really?
00:18:26.64
Kimothy
Yeah.
00:18:26.85
Heather
you know.
00:18:27.83
Kimothy
I wanna burn everybody's house down.
00:18:29.58
Heather
Right? I'm so impatient. So impatient. um I think that's my biggest struggle, is... especially like manifesting bigger things. I just want it to happen. I i want the path to be laid out before me. And sometimes it's like, nope, you got to some detours first. Or it's like, hey, you haven't done your shadow work on this. So we're going to...
00:18:54.25
Kimothy
Hey, shut up. Just give me what I said.
00:18:56.02
Heather
Right, exactly. It's like, na no, no, no. We're going to throw you in some stuff. um We want the word to be clear. And I'm like I don't need clear routes, whatever. just yeah But i I think that's my biggest struggle. It's that even practicing as long as I have, i Have not learned the art of patience.
00:19:14.65
Kimothy
overrated.
00:19:15.74
Heather
yeah I feel ya.
00:19:20.32
Kimothy
What would you say is your favorite tool in your practice? It doesn't necessarily have to be a physical object. It can be like music or I don't know, a smell.
00:19:31.16
Heather
Well, it's not a smell. It's ah tarot. Tarot and journaling are like my two biggest... um I know it's very simple, but... um I love no' I love the part everybody else hates I love pre-work
00:19:49.83
Heather
I love to be like okay i want this thing what's in the way let's tarot about it so i always put down cards to kind of see what am I doing and and then I love to journal about it and I love to write about it and kind of feel it out so that way when I actually do ritual, I know what I'm doing versus like not knowing. Cause like, if I want a bunch of money, why do I want the money? Where is it going to go? How, how do I feel about that? Is it because I'm looking for something else? Am I feeling insecure? So if I'm feeling insecure, what's going to make that better? And how am I going to put that into my ritual so that I don't like mess it up?
00:20:31.11
Heather
But that's my favorite tool is tarot and journaling.
00:20:35.02
Kimothy
oh that makes me feel once again like I should journal all my friends right now are talking about journals and planners today specifically yeah it's kind of odd so I guess I'm kind of butthurt about that message how about mind your own business
00:20:42.74
Heather
Yeah. Oh, wow. ah
00:20:54.16
Heather
and Right?
00:20:56.90
Heather
You can talk it out, too.
00:20:58.95
Kimothy
that's usually what I do but then I don't remember any of it
00:20:59.05
Heather
I mean, that's... I mean, I... Yeah, see, I i mean, and this is probably controversial, but… I do you have vent thread or like a ideas thread in my chat tpt and I'm like I don't want to hear anything from you I just want to put it out there and then later on going to ask you about it but um that is super helpful to me just because it I trauma dump and then it's sitting there because it transcribes it for you and then if i if I want feedback on it I'll get it but if not it's just sitting there so I can look through it yep yeah
00:21:33.57
Kimothy
Do you literally speak it? Huh.
00:21:37.17
Heather
Yeah, yell at it.
00:21:39.06
Kimothy
Oh.
00:21:39.93
Heather
I told you, I have an Aries moon. oh So like if I'm really frustrated or something or so, I have an ideas thread. So my ideas thread is like, oh my God, I have this great idea and I got to figure out how to do this.
00:21:51.98
Heather
um Don't give me any feedback. Just let me say it out loud. If if i i but I need something from you, I'll ask. And then later on when I'm out of the ideas mode, And then I go through and I read it and I go, okay, what the hell does this mean? And then it'll give me a bullet point of like what I meant to say.
00:22:08.22
Heather
So that, that helps me. um And then I also have a vent thread because I do get mad about things a lot and I get really frustrated. And so I tell it, don't, don't, I don't need any feedback. I just need to yell.
00:22:21.31
Heather
And then I yell at it and then it goes, I'm really sorry you're feeling this way. And i'm like, okay, okay, thanks. And then that's the end of that. And then I tell my therapist about it later, but it's, I don't know. I, I find that if I speak it out, um it's easier. So I do journal, but I bullet point journal. And then I yell a lot at my chat, GPT. After. The journaling comes after.
00:22:54.82
Kimothy
Okay.
00:22:55.90
Heather
it Right.
00:22:58.86
Kimothy
The fact that I really get that is bothering me.
00:23:06.11
Heather
Look, there's layers to this. Yeah.
00:23:14.04
Kimothy
What is something you wish was discussed more in the magical community?
00:23:17.86
Heather
Oh my goodness. So many things. So many things. um I think the big one, though, for me is people don't talk about the shadow enough. Like, there's a lot of, like, light washing or gatekeeping or, like, We don't want to talk about anything bad. I'm all, bro, come on now. Just let's talk about it. Let's talk about how like when you heal, like you have to go into the shadow and it is a hard place to go.
00:23:52.75
Heather
you have to face yourself. You have to look in the mirror and it's tough. But, you know, transportation is a thing. So if you can go into those places and really be afraid and be okay with your wounds, you come out, you the other side, a healed person, you come out the other side, like I said, transmutation is a thing, you know, we use a violent flame, and we, we come out of it, and we come into the light, but I don't think people really want to talk about that, I don't think people want to have that conversation, because it's uncomfortable, and, you know, the other thing is initiation, like, I'm big on initiation,
00:24:31.34
Heather
where There are phases of initiation, which is you have the thought, you want to do the thing. And then the second part of initiation is going into the liminal. And that's where you face your fears. And then you come out of it, the other side rebirth. That's the third phase of initiation. But everyone wants to talk about the the phoenix rising from the ashes. They don't want to talk about the actual, like, the burning up. Yeah.
00:24:53.84
Kimothy
What is, oh my God, that's such a good analogy.
00:24:57.32
Heather
Yeah.
00:24:58.37
Kimothy
Oh, holy crap.
00:25:00.05
Heather
Because the burning up is where the magic happens. But that's also the worst part of it. That is the. You know. So. um I wish we had more. Realistic important conversations about magic. Because that's what magic is. Anytime you manifest. You have to go through the all three stages. Of the initiation. And if you don't go through. it That's the other thing too. If you don't go through the second phase of the initiation. Which is the liminal.
00:25:27.61
Heather
Where we have to do the transmutation. If we don't. then we have to go back to the beginning and you're like, why do I keep repeating all the same patterns? Well, because you failed the initiation. You wanted to go straight to the third rebirth, but you're not there. So until we learn the patterns, we will continually be in the same spot and our manifesting won't work the way it needs to. Half of it will be there 25% or whatever, but yeah. yeah
00:25:54.83
Kimothy
Okay, I'm... This may be removed from the pod, I don't know. But I am going to start doing a roundtable with some of my patrons and hopefully with guests where we discuss this the answers to this question. Would you be interested in participating in one if we did it about this?
00:26:19.03
Heather
Absolutely. like um would love to.
00:26:20.83
Kimothy
Yay! Cool. Okay. So Sarah, Jadie, and Angela, and Melissa, and everyone, get ready. Casey.
00:26:31.95
Heather
I'll drag you through the fire. It'll be fine.
00:26:34.69
Kimothy
Let's get our feelings hurt.
00:26:36.21
Heather
ah Right. It'll be fine. Okay. I always, it's the big joke around here is if I'm not making you cry, then I didn't do my job. So like ah reading and then doing terror with me or any kind of coaching should come with a warning because it never fails. and I'm like, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. Like, they're like, it's fine. It's fine.
00:27:01.51
Kimothy
But this is the way it is.
00:27:03.01
Heather
Yeah. Yeah.
00:27:10.62
Kimothy
So especially after COVID, in-person community has been kind of hard to find. how Have you taken any steps to build community near you in person? And do you have any resources to share?
00:27:28.03
Heather
I live in the outback of the Bible Belt. like I live here in the woods. like There's literally 2,000 people in my ah my town. ah So I don't really talk to too many people. um Sometimes I'm like, what am I doing here? ah So community resources are really hard to find. um the The friends that I do have are are all witches, of course, but it's really hard. It's really hard. And how I found community is a lot through the internet and and just like-minded people. So I used to teach psychic development online for like a lot of years. It was called the Divine Wild Woman and it was a program.
00:28:18.20
Heather
And for whatever reason, the people that ended up buying my program ended up becoming like my best friends. And even though I don't teach anymore, those people still are in my life. It's kind of weird because I'm like, how did we meet? And they're like, you taught a class. and I'm like, oh, yeah, i forgot about that. um
00:28:41.72
Kimothy
That makes me happy.
00:28:43.36
Heather
Yeah. So because they... I think of just attracted like-minded people, but around here it's really, really hard. And i do have some friends, because I'm not far, I'm only 30 minutes from Eureka Springs, and Eureka Springs is is very open. um But we we do circles and we do other things. I haven't in a while, but it is something that we try to do. and you know, anybody is welcome.
00:29:17.46
Heather
But that is something that I struggle with. I'm not going lie. it I struggle with it. And one of my friends the other day asked me ah she said, you dress so down. like, what do you mean? She's like, I never see you wear pentagrams or I never see you wear like anything that's related to what you do. and I was like, yeah, that's, that's some purpose ah because I don't, I don't want to be bound to a ah description of who I am or i don't want any like anyone to have any kind of first impression of me that I can't get around because it's really important for me to walk through this area and kind of disappear and let me do what I want in the
00:30:13.56
Heather
in my own little secret world um that might may sound delusional and everyone's like, oh, you're hiding. I'm like, no, I'm not hiding. Don't worry. I'm just not blasting it out to the universe either. Like I'm not blasting it out to everybody. ah And so that's kind of how I do things. Like if you have a conversation with me, you know, i'm there there's whistles. there' There's words that I use or are concepts that I talk about that if you're in the know, you'll know. And if you're not, well, then too bad.
00:30:46.60
Kimothy
I bet there's other things that you don't outwardly portray that have nothing to do with witchcraft. you just It's just not the way you do things.
00:30:56.45
Heather
Yeah, I mean, I come off very, people tell me, they're like, you come off very innocent. And I'm like, good, good.
00:31:04.74
Kimothy
my favorite
00:31:06.70
Heather
You come off very innocuous. I'm like, that's great. That's what I want to hear. um
00:31:12.45
Kimothy
My favorite quote is about that.
00:31:14.68
Heather
ah what is it?
00:31:16.07
Kimothy
I always portray myself as the soul of innocence, to better further my works of corruption.
00:31:21.60
Heather
that' That's me. That's me to a T. Yeah, I've i've learned long ago that um You can get away with more if you just kind of let it go.
00:31:29.80
Kimothy
Yup.
00:31:31.40
Heather
ah So i I use that to my benefit. And I i i don't think that's a bad thing. i Again, i say things. And if you know, you know. And if you don't, well, then, okay, that's fine.
00:31:50.52
Kimothy
Think about the three biggest influences on your practice. It doesn't have to be a person. It can be like a book or scientific theory, whatever. Thank them for the effect they've had on your practice.
00:32:03.40
Heather
My three biggest influences.
00:32:05.70
Kimothy
Yeah.
00:32:11.00
Heather
Well, I know this is going to sound a little egotistical, but one of the things that i I love the most about my practice is my own curiosity. Because i don't tend to just stay in one lane. um I love listening to other people talk about their practice. Because I'm like, oh you do it so different. That's so interesting.
00:32:36.23
Heather
So I really love that. I love talking to other people about things that they do. And then sometimes I'm like, girl, you crazy. But I appreciate that. I appreciate how people make their practice their own. And sometimes I'm like, oh, that's that's brilliant. Why did I never think of that? And so I incorporate into my own. And I think that's a,
00:33:01.46
Heather
I think that's a strength. And I think that's something that I need to pat my own self on the back for it because I don't play by a lot of rules. And that's my design. And even my own thoughts about my own practice. I've told people I'm wrong. i'm Like, well, why do you think I'm wrong? I don't care that I'm wrong. I just want know why you think that. Like, what's what's your thought process behind that?
00:33:24.29
Kimothy
convince me.
00:33:24.43
Heather
ah Right. you're you're not You're not upsetting me. I just kind of want to know. um The other thing, let's see, two more. Oh, damn. All right. The biggest influences. You know, this is going to sound so Wicca, but Cunningham, Scott Cunningham, like influenced me a lot in my early 20s. um I had all of his books. I bought them all um from bookstores because we didn't have online yet.
00:33:57.13
Kimothy
yeah yeah
00:33:58.59
Heather
So I had to search them out.
00:34:00.07
Kimothy
Walden books. Yeah.
00:34:01.44
Heather
Yeah, yeah. Barnes & Noble. There was some at Barnes & Noble that I found. um And um I learned a lot about oils and about herbs and about planetary alignments and all that from him. ah So I took what I needed and left the rest. But I can say with certainty, without his books, I would not be where I am today because he he showed me the things i was passionate about, which was like herbs, oils, candles, crystals, that kind of thing. And just just learning that really helped me shape stuff.
00:34:51.52
Heather
My third influence? Okay. I really believe that going to the the Magdalene Rose Temple put my magic on this like whole different level because all of a sudden I was thinking more quantum about stuff. And I really feel like that practice gave me more confidence in kind of incorporating. So there's just there's this like paranormal aspect to me that is different than most people because I really love working with like spiritualism and I love working with ghosts and elementals and the other side like I'm very enmeshed in that and uh when I went through that whole program it really helped me be okay with it like it's okay that you're you're incorporating all these things because all I ever heard about was ancestors and I'm like and I don't want to talk to my ancestors just like they're not fun um
00:35:53.22
Heather
But like, how else can I incorporate that into it a different way? And so I learned about the Ascended Masters and I learned about more about elementals and fairy magic and not to be afraid of it because everyone's like, fairy magic, you're going to die. And I'm like, no, you're not. It's just fine. It's fine. as long as you As long as you know what you're getting yourself into and as long as you have a talk and know that you're dealing with trickster energy and you're like, okay, I know you're a trickster. I'm going to put some rules into place and yeah. I understand you're going to break the rules. We got it, but let's just do it anyway. That kind of thing. And um yeah, so it's made my my practice a little more quantum and a little more strangely earthy.
00:36:40.29
Kimothy
Nobody said curiosity before and I love it.
00:36:44.95
Heather
Yeah. Yeah. I'm a Sagittarius rising, so...
00:36:51.63
Kimothy
That makes sense.
00:36:53.92
Heather
Yeah.
00:36:55.39
Kimothy
Who do you think I should have on the show next?
00:36:58.73
Heather
Oh, that's a good question. Um So I think my friend Stephanie, who I work with a lot, she has such an interesting kind of ah take on spirituality. I don't know that she she calls herself a witch even though she does like the violent flame stuff and She's all about transmutation and Bridget and fire and Kali.
00:37:29.57
Heather
um So she's kind fierce, but in this very quiet, eloquent kind of way. And I i always wonder about her because she's an Aquarius, so she seems so chill. But then the things that she talks about and the things that she does, I'm like, okay, there's some hidden rage there somewhere that is fueling all of your practice. I love that for you.
00:37:55.45
Heather
so she's an interesting dichotomy and she loves human design that's like her baby and she's so good at it and um yeah she's she's very fascinating because uh she'll take human design and put it into like a ah quantum kind of thing like well this is the energy of the human design and this is how it works in the world and this is what you can expect from it and it's very um
00:37:58.61
Kimothy
Ooh.
00:38:21.28
Heather
and And these are prophecies that are probably going to happen because of this. And this is how it's going to work in like politics and stuff. And she's always right. And it just, I don't know. i look at those charts and I'm all like, I don't even know what you're talking about, but great. Awesome.
00:38:41.50
Kimothy
So she works with human design, but ah how it relates to politics? Not completely, I understand that, but i that never occurred to me.
00:38:50.92
Heather
Yeah, and the cycles of, oh yeah, like the cycles of
00:38:53.22
Kimothy
Hmm.
00:38:57.12
Heather
of people, culture, how it lands. um Right now, like, she's talking about how. We're going to, so I don't, I don't know, you have to ask her, but there's something about the Phoenix. This is what I got from it. There's something about the Phoenix and there's something about how we were going into like this ah from a very like community based a world where like, you know, the one world kind of new world order situation to, we're kind of dumping that and we're moving into more like singularity, like singularity, meaning like communities, like,
00:39:16.15
Kimothy
Yeah.
00:39:36.31
Heather
Like, we're no longer relying on the government. We're relying on our communities instead because we're not all one anymore.
00:39:42.38
Kimothy
yeah
00:39:42.60
Heather
We're not, you know, so we're like relying on each other more and relying on our little groups. um That's what she means by singularity and how that works more with tribes and stuff like that. um And it's all in the human design, she said. And I'm like, okay, I believe you. is like I don't know where you're getting this and I can't read your charts. So.
00:40:07.51
Heather
But she also works with children, too. That's the big thing that she loves. um Her programs are all based on, like, ah this is your human design chart, and these are your kids' human design chart. And so if you want to get along with your kids, this is how you do it. And this is how you talk to them.
00:40:21.50
Kimothy
ah
00:40:22.33
Heather
Yeah, which is super interesting, too. um And she ah she's very much about the land. She she has a farm, and she ah works with bees. so
00:40:38.86
Kimothy
Cool. I'll get with you after. That sounds interesting.
00:40:40.46
Heather
Okay. Yeah, she's a very interesting person because it's she incorporates all these different things and then if you talk to her, she's like, eh, I'm not really doing anything. And I'm like, oh, okay. She's like, I'm going to bake some cookies now. I'm like, great. Okay, you just like transmitted all this energy and predicted the future and now you're like, eh, I gotta to go bake cookies. Awesome. That's how she is.
00:41:19.06
Kimothy
Okay. Is there anything else you wanted to bring up? any Any events you're going to be doing? Anything going on with your business? Anything like that?
00:41:32.42
Heather
No. I'm doing tarot readings. That's what I do. i coach people. Usually my tarot readings turn into like, you ask me about one thing. If you ask me about your boyfriend, it's going to turn into a whole conversation about your patterns and your wounds and why you attract to people that you attract.
00:41:59.49
Heather
um So it's not for the faint of heart, but i am that's really what I've been doing. I just been doing readings and laying low. um I have written five books. I forget to tell people that. Um, So, I mean, if you want to look at my books, my name, it's on Amazon. Or if you don't like Amazon, I totally get it. um I'm in Barnes & Noble. um I'm in all the bookstores, apparently, and the CVS is because people keep sending me pictures of my books on end caps at CVS. Like, I have a whole, have a whole, like, a collage of, like, hey, I found your books again at CVS.
00:42:32.42
Kimothy
that is funny
00:42:38.74
Heather
So, like, great. Yeah.
00:42:40.37
Kimothy
that's so random
00:42:41.67
Heather
I know. but they're all about um ghost stories and places that I've been. I love to travel um and go to haunted locations and then write about it. um So if you live in Arizona, Arkansas, or Oklahoma, I've written a book about it. Well, I wrote two about Arizona.
00:43:04.15
Heather
I've written two about Arkansas and then one about Oklahoma. Um... they're just different places you can go and different fun stories and 90% of these places are you can go to and you can look at them yourself like I went to the the spook light um well it's on the border of Missouri and Arkansas I mean Missouri a border of Oklahoma and Missouri um so I technically put it in my Oklahoma book um because like literally like you go over the line and then you go back um
00:43:40.65
Heather
But that was really interesting and that's something I feel like everybody should do because it is the weirdest phenomenon it ever. um And you can literally just drive there and watch it. And it's, I didn't think it was real. Let me just tell you. I've seen a lot of crap in my life. I thought this has got to be fake and it showed up and I was like, what the hell is that? And it literally like for days, I was like, there's no way I saw what I saw. There's no way. Like I was so like, i don't know.
00:44:08.14
Heather
That was one of those things where I was like, That has to be a natural phenomenon. It just has to be because it literally shows up and then it just leaves. and there's And the weird thing is I was there at like one in the morning and there were cars lined up at different locations waiting for it to happen. So it's like predictable. It's so weird.
00:44:34.21
Kimothy
but I'm going to have to look at the Arizona ones.
00:44:36.81
Heather
It's so random that I'm talking about this. um Yeah, so I used to live in Tucson for like 10 years. So I wrote about all of the haunted places in Tucson.
00:44:47.45
Kimothy
Hell yes. Good.
00:44:49.70
Heather
Yeah, and Phoenix and...
00:44:53.34
Kimothy
I don't go to Phoenix. That's I don't do that. It's too big and too hot.
00:44:57.70
Heather
And Jerome and ah Cottonwood.
00:44:59.30
Kimothy
Ooh.
00:45:01.95
Heather
Like all those places all around there.
00:45:04.52
Kimothy
cool
00:45:05.45
Heather
Yeah.
00:45:08.67
Kimothy
so the last two things thing number one is please tell me a story yeah whatever you want it doesn't even have to be related witches it could be something goofy that happened to you three days ago that you've just been like man i've been thinking about this dumb thing that happened
00:45:14.24
Heather
A story? About what? Anything? Oh, okay. A story… Well, I had a really weird experience in a haunted location just recently, and it's been on my mind. It's been on my mind because...
00:45:43.83
Heather
It's the weirdest thing. but So we went to this place in Guthrie, Oklahoma. And um I have this theory about certain haunted locations. Like, why do certain places just become batteries for activity and then other places don't? And so I've been ah been playing around with this idea of, like, what it is so we go to this haunted location and um i wrote about it in my area oklahoma book um it's called the stone lion inn it's in guthrie oklahoma and um it's it's a really it's a really weird story because when i went and looked at it i looked at it the middle of the night and because like we couldn't find the place we finally found it this is five years ago um and i went and i looked in the we it wasn't open at the time so we just took pictures of the outside because i really just needed pictures
00:46:40.91
Heather
um and Stephanie was with me, and she said, you see any any ghosts, like, in the windows or anything like that? there anything you're picking up on? And I'm like, this place doesn't really seem haunted to me, honestly. All I see is a woman with, like, white hair standing on the second floor in the window, and she's looking really sad, and I don't know, her hair is pulled back, and she's just looking out the window, and so Stephanie Googles, and she's like, that's none of the ghosts in the place, and I'm like,
00:47:10.94
Heather
okay, totally random and weird, but that's what I saw. And she's like, I believe you. Um, maybe it'll come around eventually. So I did all this research on it. I'm like, what did pick up? Because none of the ghosts there are they all children in that place. Uh, it children is the big phenomenon there. And I'm like, did not pick up one child. So five years later, ah go there.
00:47:36.19
Heather
Um, And I do the, I stay there for three days and do the murder mystery and all this stuff. And I'm like, well, they left me here with my own devices because they they don't, ah we rented out the whole place. There was a bunch of us. um And so, of course, I'm going to investigate it. And then like, if anybody wants to investigate, I got equipment, let's go. And so I decided that it's going to be a teaching moment. So I taught everybody how to do this stuff. But anyway, I go there.
00:48:07.02
Heather
And I'm still not picking up on any of the ghosts that are supposed to be there. And um the second day we investigated, we picked up on the the owner of the place who had just died in February of 2024. And i was like, well, that's totally weird because I just saw her on the internet. She was doing an interview and it's kind of weird because I saw her. But I looked and it was right before she died that she did this interview. um And I looked at her and she's talking through the spirit box and she's talking about through us and she's giving all these really detailed answers and I'm all like, hmm, I should look at a picture of her.
00:48:44.98
Heather
and I looked at a picture of her and it was a lady in the window that I saw five years ago. and I was like, oh, oh what? And this is, this is so weird. Like, and now we're talking to or her in this place. Like, was that like one of those like moments or like circular moments where, I saw something like future oriented five years ago because I knew that I was going to talk to her on the other side in her bed and breakfast later on.
00:49:20.56
Heather
ah And it really, really sat with me because later we found out that like she put her heart and soul in that place and she… She picked out every piece of furniture in that Airbnb. She did everything. Like, she... It was her baby. And it was almost like the house was her.
00:49:46.08
Heather
Like, it was a total monster house moment or rose red moment. And I was like, of course I would see her in the window. of course I would. Because that's the end, the revealing energy that nobody even thinks about. yeah. Yeah. That has effect...
00:50:05.10
Kimothy
Have you done that before?
00:50:07.08
Heather
What do you mean?
00:50:08.30
Kimothy
Sort of that weird time-shifty thing.
00:50:11.67
Heather
Yeah. Yeah.
00:50:14.36
Kimothy
Huh.
00:50:14.51
Heather
And that's that's the thing. it um It confuses me because I'm writing this book and I'm trying to figure out who was the lady in the window. like There was nothing here about the lady in the window. and She was sad and she was like grieving um And through communication with her in her B&B, I realized, and a bunch of us realized, it wasn't just me. It was like the whole group was like, she's sad because they're selling it.
00:50:47.72
Heather
She's sad that they're selling it. And this is her baby. And like, even on the other side, she's so overprotective of it. um In her last days,
00:50:55.13
Kimothy
That she went back in time to show you.
00:50:57.81
Heather
i got guess, I don't know.
00:51:00.23
Kimothy
What the hell? that's cool.
00:51:02.10
Heather
yeah it's weird. I'm not go lie. It's weird. It's, it's weird because like, i don't know. Like it was, it was a weird thing. Um, and, um, yeah, there was just all these like little random things that happened all weekend where like birthdays matched up time shifts, just like,
00:51:27.40
Heather
I don't know. It was a really weird weekend, but I just remember thinking, oh, the house is for sale. The business is for sale. And she doesn't want it to go to anybody who's not going to respect it. And it's almost like even on the other side, she's permeating this house. And her last day, she opted to move back in to the third floor.
00:51:50.94
Heather
kind of be close to the house, even though she had another house. It was just I don't know, stories like that really get to me because it's never about the ghost. It's always about the human experience attached to the house. And that's probably why I didn't pick up on any of the other like silly little ghosts in there because she probably knew that I would listen. So, yeah.
00:52:21.13
Kimothy
That's interesting.
00:52:22.32
Heather
And she was low-key doing, like, seances in the cemetery and stuff. And we found pentagrams and a witch's broom in there. And I'm like, she's a witch. ah And nobody knows because nobody understands what this stuff is. So that might have been it, too.
00:52:39.21
Kimothy
Ah Well, thank you for the story.
00:52:44.16
Heather
Yeah, you're welcome. I hope that was a good one.
00:52:47.00
Kimothy
It was. So the second thing I ask is for a recommendation. It does not have to be witch related at all. Just whatever you are into this week, recommend it
00:52:59.76
Heather
A recommendation?
00:53:01.20
Kimothy
Yep. Like, what song are you listening to? What's your favorite snack today? Whatever. Something like that. Anything at all that you were, if you met up with your best friend, you were like, you got to try this thing. That.
00:53:13.52
Heather
Okay, something totally random. But I made jalapeno jelly. And I was like, nah, this can't be good. like like Like, who makes this? um But one of my friends was like, yeah, it's really, really good. So I made it. um You're supposed to eat it with, like, cream cheese. Or, like, well, I ate it with onion dip on Triscuits. And, oh, my gosh, it was the most amazing, spicy, sweet, savory thing I've ever eaten in my whole life. That's, like, pretty much what I ate for lunch for all week.
00:53:50.11
Kimothy
Cool.
00:53:51.15
Heather
Yeah. Yeah.
00:53:51.95
Kimothy
So pepper jelly or making it yourself?
00:53:55.89
Heather
I made it myself. Yeah. i
00:53:57.19
Kimothy
No, I mean, which one are you recommending?
00:54:00.30
Heather
I, yeah I recommend you make it.
00:54:01.54
Kimothy
Or are you recommending yours?
00:54:01.78
Heather
you No, it's not mine. Uh, make it yourself. It's really easy. to take jalainoss in You and you put them in simple syrup. Like you would any other kind of jelly or jam. Um, it's really, and I put some, um, I had some pickled ginger and instead of vinegar, i put in ah some pickled ginger, uh,
00:54:24.47
Kimothy
Juice.
00:54:24.93
Heather
the liquid yeah and made it yeah it made it more earthy and it it like had this a little tang to it that was very good so yeah
00:54:25.80
Kimothy
Huh. Cool. So will you craft a spell with me if we find out that we are able to if if if our practices don't mesh then they don't. But if they do, do you want to try it?
00:54:48.41
Heather
Sure what do you like to do? What are we going to work on?
00:54:55.20
Kimothy
I don't know. i Like ah protection? We could hex somebody specifically towards the middle of the eastern US?
00:55:07.49
Heather
that I don't like the color orange um anymore.
00:55:12.55
Kimothy
Me neither.
00:55:14.97
Heather
and I don't really like... i don't know. i just i don't i don't like anybody i just don't like anybody that you know takes away healthcare care and SNAP benefits from millions of people to build a ballroom.
00:55:19.91
Kimothy
Buttholes?
00:55:29.07
Heather
But I don't know who we keep talking about. But yeah... um ah Not my friend. Don't like it. Not happy with it.
00:55:42.90
Kimothy
I'm going like blank.
00:55:42.98
Heather
Yeah.
00:55:43.68
Kimothy
I can't remember what other, what it like what's in, what else do I want to do? I have no idea.
00:55:50.18
Heather
Yeah, I mean, I think that's a I think it's a worthy cause, though, because I mean, like I always say, clots and prayers, you know, you don't really need to
00:55:50.78
Kimothy
Health, whatever, any of these.
00:56:00.81
Heather
We don't really need to like super move that energy too much. It's already there. you're like You don't have to like work too hard at it. It's... I think that's the best kind of spell is when you're when you're using... Especially with hexes. If you're using their own weaknesses against them, then you you don't really... You know what
00:56:22.67
Kimothy
So what specific thing are we gonna work on? (fades out)
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