21 Things A Serious Christian Should Consider About Israel & The Jewish People PART 2

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Welcome to the Jonathan Shuttlesworth Podcast. To stay connected, go to revivaltoday.com. And now here is Evangelist Jonathan.

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Welcome to our brand new church in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Good to be with you. It's Jonathan looking like I just took over a Costco, but the thing is getting done even as we speak and permitted. Good to be with you. This is part two of 21 Things a serious Christian should consider about Israel and the Jewish people. Glad to have you on. Share the broadcast as it has become in vogue to dismiss at the best Israel and the Jewish people. And then at worst, just lay into them. I was playing video games and they dropped me in with a random team, and I lost track of the amount of times I heard the effing Jews control the world. It's like exactly what the Bible prophesied is coming in that there's going to be a worldwide turning against Israel and the Jewish people. So I did more studying today. And um, the real foundation of the issue, I'm not even gonna cut gonna cover in this broadcast. And that's why I want to finish today. I was gonna take it in three parts, but I'm gonna try to finish, knock out the last 14 on this broadcast. So we'll move at a quick pace. And then I would like to get in tomorrow to what they call dispensationalism: the rapture of the church of the Lord Jesus Christ, a literal tribulation, a literal antichrist. I want to get into that because that's the crux of it. 21 things a serious Christian should consider about Israel and the Jewish people. We did seven yesterday. Number one, the 1948 rebirth of Israel. That's a rough one. Up until up through May 13th, 1948, you could believe one way and me believe another. But the fact that all of the Jews were regathered from all over the earth and into one uh nation again, that could, that was not fulfilled in 70 AD. That was not, that was fulfilled then. And um, anything you bought before 1948 basically said, though the Bible says that'll happen, you know, uh it must mean something symbolic, but then it happened. So it'd be worth stepping back and and um going back over uh what you believe again. Number two, Satan bound, yet the nations are still deceived. If you believe that Satan's bound, like many, not all, but many of the people that that teach the other way that God's plan with Israel is done, we're actually past the tribulation or omillenalism, Satan's bound. Number three, the the 144,000 uh saved from the tribes of Israel. Number three. Number four, Jesus' literal return to the Mount of Olives. Number five, the warning in Romans chapter 11. Number six, the unconditional and eternal Abrahamic covenant. Number seven, Ezekiel's physical restoration of Israel. If you missed yesterday's broadcast, I would go back and watch it, and you can get those seven in depth. Twenty-one things a serious Christian should consider about Israel and the Jewish people. Part two. Number eight, Isaiah 11, 6 through 9. In that day, the wolf and the lamb will live together, the leopard will lie down with the baby goat, the calf and the yearling will be safe with the lion. A little child will lead them all. The cow will graze near the bear, the cub and the calf will lie down together, the lion will eat hay like a cow. The baby will play safely near the hole of a cobra. Yes, a little child will put its hand in a nest of deadly snakes without harm. You know what's interesting before we we read nine? That shows you how much Satan's involved in. You know, there's not gonna be any car crashes in the millennial reign of Christ. There's not gonna be any death, no crying, no pain. So, you know, as much as I preach that your life is a product of your decisions, and they are, Satan is one wicked bastard, apparently. Nine. Nothing will hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain, for as the waters fill the sea, so the earth will be filled with the with people who know the Lord. 65, 17 to 25. Look, I am creating new heavens and a new earth, and no one will even think about the old ones anymore. Be glad, rejoice forever in my creation, and look, I will create Jerusalem as a place of happiness. Her people will be a source of joy. I will rejoice over Jerusalem and delight in my people, and the sound of weeping and crying will be heard in it no more. No longer will babies die when only a few days old, see? So Satan is directly and indirectly responsible for all calamity and problem. Once he's off the scene, all this goes away. No longer will babies die when only a few days old. No longer will adults die before they've lived a full life. No longer will people be considered old at 100. Only the cursed will die that young. In those days, people will live in the houses they build and eat the fruit of their own vineyards. Unlike the past, invaders will not take. By the way, go back to 21, and then we dealt with this yesterday that the majority of the people that don't see things my way explain scriptures through symbolism. And I told you, if if if you follow me, I follow a rule of Bible interpretation. Interpret, take the Bible literally wherever possible, where not possible, search for the literal meaning. So then even this is where you get into prosperity, that God's power causes you to live in houses that you build and eat the fruit of your own vineyards, where, you know, for the other people, prosperity is symbolic. Everything's symbolic. But if you take it literally, as you've seen, if you've been following us for seven years, it'll take you on a wild ride, this Bible. Unlike the past, invaders will not take their houses and confiscate their vineyards, for my people will live as long as trees, and my chosen ones will have time to enjoy their hard-won games. They will not work in vain, and their children will not be doomed to misfortune. So think of that. If that's seen as something that the devil does that stops when he's bound, then working with nothing no money or uh anything to show for it is part of the curse. And then when you're blessed, you can have that now. And their children will not be doomed to misfortune, for they are people blessed by the Lord, and their children too will be blessed. I will answer them before they even call to me, while they're still talking about their needs. I will go ahead and answer their prayers. The wolf and the lamb will feed together, the lion will eat hay like a cow, but the snakes will eat dust. So snakes, God's still irritated about the Garden of Eden, apparently. In those days no one will be hurt or destroyed on my holy mountain. I the Lord have spoken. Number eight, Isaiah's descriptions of peace. Twenty-one things a serious Christian should consider about Israel and the Jewish people. What's up, Melbourne, Australia? Isaiah 11, 6 through 9 and 65, 17 through 25 describe wolves lying down with lambs, children playing near cobras, no more hurting or destroying on God's holy mountain than people living extremely long lives. How does any of that accurately describe the current church age? If we're already in the fulfilled kingdom, why does the world still look nothing like the peaceful paradise these passages describe? Number nine, Zechariah 12, 10. Then I will pour out a spirit of grace and prayer on the family of David and on the people of Jerusalem. They will look on me, whom they have pierced, and mourn for him as for an only son. They will grieve bitterly for him as for a firstborn son who has died. Zechariah 14, 1 through 9. Watch for the day of the Lord is coming, when your possessions will be plundered right in front of you. I will gather all the nations to fight against Jerusalem. The city will be taken, the houses looted, and the women raped. Half the population will be taken into captivity, and the rest will be left among the ruins of the city. Then the Lord will go out to fight against those nations, as he has fought in times past. On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will split apart, making a wide valley running from east to west. Half the mountain will move toward the north and half toward the south. You will flee through this valley, for it will reach across to Azal. Yes, you will flee as you did from the earthquake in the days of King Uzziah of Judah. Then the Lord my God will come, and all his holy ones with him. On that day the sources of light will no longer shine. Yet there will be continuous day. Only the Lord knows how this could happen. There will be no normal day and night, for at evening time it will still be light. On that day, life-giving waters will flow out from Jerusalem, half toward the Dead Sea, half toward the Mediterranean, flowing continuously in both summer and water. Dr. Lester Summerall taught that when Christ returns and the mountain splits, what this is saying here is that Jesus is going to heal the Dead Sea. There's going to be fresh water that flows into it, and it won't be the even the Dead Sea won't be dead anymore when Christ returns. On that day, life-giving waters will flow out from Jerusalem, half toward the Dead Sea, half toward the Mediterranean, flowing continuously in both summer and winter. And the Lord will be king over all the earth. On that day there will be one Lord, his name alone will be worshipped. Number nine, Zechariah 12 through 14's final events. Zechariah 12 through 14 describes the nations attacking Jerusalem, the house of David and inhabitants of Jerusalem looking on the one they have pierced, and mourning as for an only son, and the Lord personally fighting for Israel. How do you explain these chapters without any future role for national Israel? And by the way, that that's what I'm attacking. Is uh do you have Carrie's interview with the teeth?

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I know, I know what the Catholic Church teaches. We are the new Israel. That's what the church teaches. We are the fulfillment.

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Pause. We have lots of Catholic people that come to our church. I have Catholic people in my family. Wouldn't you feel uncomfortable? I would not like if I heard anyone say, Jonathan, yeah, I know what people are saying, but Jonathan says this. Like, why do you think I'm telling you the scriptures? I didn't say it. Zachariah said it. I didn't say it. Isaiah said it. I don't know how you can be comfortable as a Catholic just accepting the teaching of the church. I don't like that. Especially when the Bible teaches there's going to be a great falling away from the faith. Why would you just blindly accept the teaching of any church, including mine? Sort of from the beginning?

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I know, I know what the Catholic Church teaches. We are the new Israel. That's what the church teaches. We are the fulfillment of the old Israel. I mean, look at Jesus fulfilled it all on the cross. There is, he he got when he said it is finished, the old was completely done. There is the new covenant now. Those who are in Christ, that is the new people of God. It is very clear. This isn't even debatable. I don't even know why we're having this debate. Which is why Bishop Barron and Cardinal Dolan should be like, yeah, it's what we believe. We are the new Israel. The land means nothing anymore.

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That's what you're on record saying. The land of Israel means nothing anymore. Seems to mean something to quite a few people that have nuclear weapons and stuff. You know, how do you not take a step back and wonder why things have not all gravitated towards the exact place where the Bible says everything's gonna go down? Why hasn't society as powerful as America is, with by far the highest GDP? The earth is not centered around what's going on in Indianapolis or Washington, D.C.

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even.

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Or Toronto, or South America, or China. All eyes are exactly where the Bible says they would be. That's that's an insane position for her to take. Continue.

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Yes, it's the Holy Land. But that's not some biblical what are they gonna? What's scary, Tucker, is these people like Paula White and Ted Cruz and Dan Patrick, they believe that there will be the Dome of the Rock will be torn down and they will rebuild that third temple. They're saying it now. Look at Pete Hexeth. There will be a rebuilding of this temple. Oh, I know. It is heretical and it is anti-Christian. I I know that because they're gonna bring in the animal sacrifices again. And the most anti-Semitic thing that they believe is that two-thirds of the Jews are gonna be slaughtered. That's what these people believe. They're just manipulating them and using them. They don't really care.

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Oh, I everything you've said is true. I mean, Jesus describes himself as the temple.

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Yes. So He is the temple.

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He says that.

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He is the land that was slain. The final sacrifice.

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So yeah. So that's what you have out there. And that's not oh, she that's just her saying that. That video didn't get like nine views or nine hundred views or nine hundred thousand views. It got, it's out there. And it makes people, you know, just start spouting nonsense like uh you're some idiot who doesn't know the Bible if you believe that Israel is worth focusing on. And the Jewish people should sh be focused on. And certainly not um have have what comes out of Catholicism and Reform theology, which which it is anti-Semitic. You know, to bring up the Catholic Church like you care about Jews. Tell me one uh uh what the admission policy was of Jewish students to Catholic schools, you know, reform too. There is a Jew-hating element to those branches of Christianity. How do you explain these chapters without any future role for national Israel? How do you account for the detailed focus on Jerusalem, the house of David, and ethnic inhabitants if they have no remaining role in God's plan? 21 things a serious cons Christian should consider about Israel. So that's what she said. Land doesn't matter, the Jews, whatever God was gonna do with the Jews, that's been done. Well, there's forward-looking scripture that deals specifically with the Jewish people. Is that true? Did that lady get the vaccine and then got injured by it? You have uh ChatGPT? What's her name? Carrie Jean? Carrie Prageen? What is it? Is Kerry Prageen on record as saying that she got vaccinated and got injured by the vaccine? And if so, what did she say about it?

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I wasn't able to find any confirmed statement from Carrie Prageen about being vaccinated or claiming.

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Is that it? Um, Carrie Prageen Prejean that was on Tucker Carlson, did she get vaccinated for COVID and get injured by it? Is she on record of making statements like that?

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No, there's no record of Kerry Prajean, now baller, claiming she got the COVID vaccine and was injured by it. She's been vocal against vaccine mandates and religious exemptions. She's even making a film about nurses fired for refusing the shot.

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Just checking. So she can't blame it on the COVID vaccine. Because that would have made sense to say something like that. Number 10. No. Yes. So we've done eight and nine. Number ten, twenty-one things a serious Christian should consider about Israel and the Jewish people. Jeremiah 31, 35 to 37. It is the Lord who provides the sun to light the day, and the moon and the stars to light the night, and who stirs the sea into roaring waves. His name is the Lord of hosts, and this is what he says. I am as likely to reject my people Israel as I am to abolish the laws of nature. This is what the Lord says. Just as the heavens cannot be measured, and the foundation of the earth cannot be explored, so I will not consider casting them away for the evil they have done. I, the Lord, have spoken. Let me see King James for 36 and 37. If those ordinances, if those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, let me see 35. Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar, the Lord of hosts is his name. If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel shall also cease from being a nation before me forever. Thus saith the Lord, if heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord. Number 10, the miraculous preservation of the Jewish people. This is a big one. How do you account for the Jewish people's miraculous preservation as a distinct group of people for almost 2,000 years of exile and dispersion, followed by their regathering to the land? Something that has literally never happened to any other nation in history. Every nation that got conquered, the people remarried into whoever, and they're done. Look at Adallis' family in a couple generations. Her mom and dad are full-blooded Puerto Ricans. They move to American America. Her daughter marries me. We have Camila. Camila can't speak Spanish. Camila doesn't dress, you know, Puerto Rican. She dressed like a white kid from Pennsylvania. When you move to a nation, you become like that nation. Some of you have parents like that. You know, you're Nigerian, you come to the United States, you go to the RCCG, the grandmas are all in the colorful head wrap and gowns, and the kids are all in jeans and hoodies. So this that's in two generations. How do you preserve your language when it's illegal to speak your language in the countries you go to and preserve your culture and your ethnicity under the fiercest persecution possible? Yes, somebody said, I enjoy your teaching. However, many reformers love the Jewish people and believe in their future conversion. I'm not saying Carrie Prajean is represents your views if you oppose me, or um that she's your bright light that you wish was representing the opposing viewpoint. But seeing as Tucker and her, and I'm not attacking, um you haven't heard me say, no, no, no, nobody with a shred of intelligence doesn't believe in a pre-tribulation rapture. I believe in a pre-tribulation rapture. If you want to call it dispensationalism, I'm a hundred percent on board with it and have major problems with with the opposing viewpoint, which I'm gonna get into hopefully tomorrow, if I can finish this. But these are major people with being funded by nations that hate Jewish people and hate Israel that are spreading this through Christianity. And it's time to smack it in the face. Something that has literally never happened to any other ancient nation in history. What are the odds that one ancient people would survive millennia of persecution and dispersion intact, only to return to their land if God had not sovereignly preserved them? 11. Revelation 20, 4 through 6, Psalm 2.9, and Revelation 19, 15. Then I saw thrones, and the people sitting on them had been given the authority to judge, and I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony about Jesus and for proclaiming the word of God. They had not worshipped the beast or his statue, nor accepted his mark on their forehead or their hands. They all came to life again and they reigned with Christ for a thousand years. By the way, I was talking about this with my father on the drive-in. If you believe that all these prophecies were fulfilled when Nero attacked Jerusalem in 70 AD or whatever, then it's been almost 2,000 years since then. So the millennial millennial reign of Christ would be over. And we'd be like in a heavenly state. See, the passage of time became very problematic for what's called covenant theology that God's done with the Jewish people and now with us, because the time passed where things should have happened that didn't happen. You know, as Dr. Lester Summerall said, if Satan is bound right now in the bottomless pit, somebody needs to let him know. We are not seeing right now what was supposed to happen with Satan being bound and everything with the Jewish people's already done and happened during the Roman Empire. There was never a time during the Roman Empire where the Jewish people Were dispersed to all nations and then regathered. That happened May 14th, 1948. That's not where he finished, was it? I thought I already read that. Five? This is the first resurrection. The resurrection of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years ended. Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. For them the second death holds no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him a thousand years. Revelation 19, 15. From his mouth came a sharp sword to strike down the nations. He will rule them with an iron rod. He will release the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty, like juice flowing from a wine press. Twenty-one things a serious Christian should consider about Israel and the Jewish people. Number 11, Jesus ruling with a rod of iron in the millennium. If we are supposedly living in the millennium right now, which again, that passed, if you feel this was fulfilled in the Roman Empire, we're way past a thousand years. We're 44 years away from being 2,000 years. Yeah. If we're supposedly living in the millennium right now, where is Jesus ruling the nations with a rod of iron and dashing them like pottery, as described in the very passages that define this future reign? How does the current state of the world match a time when Christ is actively ruling the nations with a rod of iron? Number 12. Matthew 7, 15 through 20. I'm just going to take one phrase out of that because I'm not dealing with the text specifically, but I want to get a concept over to you. You will know them by their fruits. You can identify people and theology by the fruit that it produces. Number 12, the fruit of the theology that I'm teaching you, as opposed to what fruit has the other theology produced. I don't like the fruit that other theologies produce. John MacArthur's theology produces a bunch of online argumentative jerks that just pick ministries apart. I don't, you don't see any reformed people doing evangelistic crusades or building large churches. They're in decline because that type of teaching apparently produces a fruit. It makes people angry and critics. You can identify theology by fruit. Now, that example I gave doesn't have to do with this. I'm just telling you, if you, I like to watch when someone teaches something, what do their followers become? If I'm millennial replacement theology, that's what Kerry Prajeen was talking about. If I'm millennial replacement theology where the church replaces Israel, is the correct biblical view. Why has it never produced even one notable, large-scale, spirit-filled crusade evangelist with a verified miracle ministry? You can look that up yourself. Do you find it strange that T.L. Osborne, Billy Graham, Morris Sorello, Oral Roberts, Kenneth Hagan, uh, who am I leaving out? A.A. Allen. I'm not saying they all had great ends, but I'm saying everybody that built John Osteen, huge churches, Mass Crusade evangelism, that is produced by pre-tribulation, rapture, theology. They all hold that. And there's nobody that holds that view that you heard that lady say, or Tucker, that's on the mission field winning people to Christ. You know what they're all doing? What she's doing. They're all on podcasts. Like a bunch of you watching me right now probably are. Your whole ministry is just podcasts and posting and arguing with people on X and Instagram and Facebook. You have no contribution that's discernible to the kingdom of God. Why did you go to Bible college and then learn this and then not go into the ministry? I would take a step back and ask myself that question. And then why does this other type of theology produce my dad? I was talking about with my dad on the way in. He said, one theology produces people who make disciples, the other theology produces people who enjoy debate. I've had people ask me, you should debate so-and-so. Why? I've got four churches that God's entrusted me with, and I have I do evangelistic crusades every week. That's what that's what I'm doing. I'm not on a podcast tour, I'm not on a conference speaking circuit bashing other ministries. Reinhard Bonkey, T.L. Osborne, Orl Roberts, and others have all come from the premillennial tradition that honors God, that honor God's ongoing plan for Israel. If replacement theology is the true interpretation, why does it seem to consistently produce less dynamic, less miraculous fruit in global evangelism compared to views that affirm God's plan for Israel? Bishop Oyadepo, Pastor Ataboye? How many you want to name? Robert Kyanja's work in Uganda, all produced out of the same flow. And it's interesting that when you had the re-outpouring of the Holy Spirit in Azusa Street, it formed a certain theology that caused, that's about to go to 800 million people worldwide, or about to go to 1 billion people worldwide. It's at 800 million right now. In a hundred years. Reformed has a uh let me ask. How many members do reformed churches have worldwide?

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Globally, reformed churches have significant membership. The World Communion of Reformed Churches reports over 100 million members across more than a hundred countries. When did Reformed churches start? Reformed churches trace their origins back to the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century.

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Okay, well, specifically. So you have 100 million people since the 1500s. Did he say 16th century? Did he say 16th century? Anybody here? Okay. So in 500 years, you have a hundred million people. In a hundred years, the other ones produced 800 million on fire. You know, I won't say they're all on fire. Christians. I would look at that. One theology produces casting out devils, healing the sick. The other produces arguing with people who cast out devils and heal the sick. I looked it up. You know, I tr I'm I'm being as fair as I possibly can. I asked Gronk and Chat GPT, please name me a notable crusade evangelist or, you know, mega church builder who espouses replacement theology. They both told me there's none. So if I'm missing one, you can let me know. The largest churches on earth are pastor founded and pastored by people that all hold the same view. At least something to consider. When Charles Finney had his his major revival in Rochester, what would the largest crowd be?

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In Charles Finney's major revival in Rochester, New York, 1830 to 31, the power wasn't really in massive outdoor crowds. Instead, it was in the state. Give me a number. We don't have exact headcounts like modern events, but historians estimate that individual church services and meetings at the height of the Rochester revival could draw hundreds. Over the months, thousands were converted.

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Okay, tell me, well, give me some crowds for the larger crowds for T. L. Osborne and Reinhardt Bunkey.

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When it comes to T. L. Osborne and Reinhardt Bunkey, they drew truly massive crowds. In Africa, Bunky's largest events reportedly saw well over a million people gathered in open-air fields. Osborne, in his global evangelism, also drew crowds in the hundreds of thousands, particularly in large outdoor crusades in places like Africa and Asia. These were some of the largest evangelistic gatherings in history.

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In history, thank you. So the guy that wrote Finney, I'm I I I know about Finney and Moody. I'm talking about people that had more people come to Christ in one altar call than in their whole meetings. And they've all got the same theology. Worth noting. I remember making that decision when I was 19 in Bible school, and you had professors debating against this kind of stuff. Man, it's interesting that all these guys that are shaking the world all believe the exact same thing. Number 13. The alignment of the church's enemies with Israel's enemies. Twenty-one things a serious Christian should consider about Israel and the Jewish people. You should consider the alignment of the church's enemies with Israel's enemies. If replacement theology is true and modern Israel, the Jewish people, no longer hold any special special place in God's plan, why do the most outspoken enemies of the church, prominent witches, Satanists, and occultists? This is why I uh had no problem voting for Donald Trump. Well, the witches are voting for Kamel and Hillary? The Church of Satan has endorsed Kamel and Hillary? You know, when all the the um trans movement has endorsed Kamel and Hillary? When every enemy of righteousness is on one side, maybe go on the other side. Why do the most outspoken enemies of the church, prominent witches, Satanists, and occultists, also overwhelmingly treat Israel and the Jewish people as their enemy? You ever notice that? You never have a trans rally waving Israel flags and saying, uh holding up posters that say, get the Palestinians off our land. It's from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free, calling for the slaughter of the Jewish people. Why does every demon-possessed lunatic hate Israel? I'm not saying if you hate Israel, you're a demon-possessed lunatic. I'm saying people who are demon-possessed lunatics hate Israel. You could go downtown in most of the cities in the United States right now or Canada, and somebody that's on meth or crack is mumbling anti-Semitic stuff to themselves. If in Israel, if Jews. So what why is it? Why is the devil always like talking about one group of people that he doesn't like? I would try to like not join in. Why did Hitler get obsessed with one group of people? Why did Benito Mussolini get obsessed with one group of people? Herod get obsessed. Yeah, I mean, on down the line. Prominent witches, Satanists and occultists overwhelmingly treat Israel and the Jewish people as their enemy. Once you set aside the rare transactivist exceptions, there's a couple Jewish ones, virtually none of these figures are publicly outspoken in support of Israel or the Jews. I've never had a demon manifest in one of my services and call for Israel to be free and for the Jewish people to have a place to worship. Ever. And you have the exact opposite. Start cursing the Jews, cursing Israel. Why would spiritual forces that hate Christianity consistently align themselves against the very same people and land that replacement theology says God is finished with? Like, for example, I'm gonna go preach in the prison on Thursday. If I went to the violent offender's wing and I had a Palestinian flag, I probably wouldn't have any trouble. And that uh black and white picnic tablecloth thing, that'd probably make friends. If I walked in with a star of David, might have a couple of puncture wounds in the old lungs. Why do demon-possessed people hate Israel? Why do demon-possessed people hate Trump? Not saying if you hate Trump, you're demon-possessed. Why would spiritual forces that hate Christianity consistently align themselves against the very same people in land that replacement theology says God is finished with? Isn't it curious how the spiritual forces most opposed to the church seem to share the exact same intense animosity toward Israel that replacement theology claims is now irrelevant to God? Isn't it curious how the spiritual forces most opposed to the church seem to share the exact same intense animosity toward Israel that replacement theology claims is now irrelevant to God? Who do Islamic jihadists hate? Christians and Jews. Why is that? Why do we always get grouped together? 21 things a serious Christian should consider about Israel and the Jewish people. Number 14, I entitled this, No Jews, no news. And I spelled Jews J-O-O-S. No Jews, right in the comments, no Jews, no news. Hyper focus on the heirs of Israel. Jonathan, you you you you say that a Christian should support Israel. Did you know they're having a gay pride parade? Okay. Is there nothing wicked going on in any of the countries surrounding them? I'm not saying the current national. Jesus is gonna come back and throw the leadership of Israel out and set himself up as leader of Israel. Nothing I'm teaching is that we patently back Israel no matter what they do. And you know, I you have to love Benjamin Netanyahu on down the line. I mean, Israel's impeaching or indicting Benjamin Netanyahu. I'm not I'm not using this that Israel's got carte blanche to do whatever they want and they don't do any wrong. But I'll give you an example. How many of you by the show of emoji hands, thanks, Eric and Sally, how many of you by show of emoji hands saw that Israeli soldier tear down that statue of Jesus in Lebanon and cut its head off, the head off the statue. Anybody besides me? Made the news. Let me ask you a question. Once the Israeli army found out about it, they apologized. Now, I'm not stupid. I know there's Jews that hate Christians. Just like there's Christians, well, they're not real Christians. You can't hate anybody and be a Christian. Except Dr. Falgy. So I I know that. You know, I had somebody ask me, Jonathan, when are you gonna speak out against the mistreatment of Christians in Israel? What's the safest place for a Christian to operate in Israel right now? Let me get grok. As a full gospel Christian pastor, what country in the Middle East would it be safest for me to operate as a pastor and preach the gospel? I don't consider Cyprus part of the Middle East. And uh remember that Hezbollah has an active war going on in Lebanon, Israel is your safest option by a wide margin.

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It's the only country in the Middle East where Christians can openly worship, operate churches, preach the gospel within Christian communities, and access holy sites with legal protection and no state persecution. Everywhere else carries real risks for a full gospel pastor focused on preaching and evangelism. Jordan gives Christians some social standing and parliamentary seats, but authorities monitor and have expelled foreign Christians for illegal preaching or proselytizing Muslims. Apostasy laws and restrictions on missionary activity make open evangelism tricky. Gulf states, UAE, Bahrain, etc., let expatriates worship in designated compounds, but strictly ban proselytizing. You could lose your visa or face jail for sharing the gospel outside your own group. Lebanon is off the table right now with Hezbollah's active war and instability. The rest of the region, Egypt, Syria, Turkey, Iran, Saudi, Yemen, ranges from heavy restrictions to outright danger for converts or evangelists. Israel isn't perfect. There can be social pushback from ultra-orthodox groups, and aggressive targeting of Jewish Israelis for conversion sometimes creates tension. But legally, you can preach and pastor far more freely than anywhere else in the region. The Christian population there is actually growing, which tells you something. If your calling is specifically to reach Muslims with the gospel, that's a harder road anywhere in the Middle East. Most countries create a lot of people.

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So there it is. You heard her say, Israel by a wide margin. So you get a video. I mean, how can you not see this all of a sudden information campaign to turn people against Israel and Jews? There's a video of an ultra-Orthodox guy spitting on a Christian. It's like from 2015. And they he would do it again, just like that one guy pulled the statue of Jesus down and cut the head off. Ultra-Orthodox Jews hate Christ. I know that. But you know who else does? Everybody in all the surrounding countries that's Islamic. And the worst thing you have a Jew doing, or an Israeli, is pulling a statue of Christ down and cutting his head off. I could show you videos, many of them, of actual Christians getting their heads cut off. So let me ask you a question. Write it down, write it down for me in the comments. No Jews, J-O-O-S, no Jews, no news. What got more media coverage? The statue of Jesus being pulled down and his head being cut off by that soldier? Or entire churches of people in Nigeria being abducted by Islamic jihadists and killed? By far the statue. You know why? No Jews, no news. If it can't make Jews look bad, it doesn't make the news. Anyone can see that. What's another example of no Jews, no news? I'll give you one for the future. When Israel rebuilds that statue of Jesus, like they said they're gonna do, and in a little bit, Islamic Hezbollah elements pull it down and desecrate it, and then do worse than that to the Christians in the area. Will that make the news? Do you know why? No Jews, no news. If it doesn't make Jews look bad, if it can't turn help turn Christians against Jewish people, then the news has no interest in it. Hyperfocus on Israel and hyperfocus on the mistreatment of Christians in Israel. If replacement theology is true in modern Israel, it holds no special significance to God, why do so many of its critics intensely hyperfocus on and loudly condemn every real or alleged instance of mistreatment of Christians inside Israel? Many of the people who who ascribe to replacement theology and feel Israel doesn't matter anymore and the Jewish people don't matter, all they do is post about it. Jews don't post about Jewish things as much as people that are replacement theology. The Israeli Tourism Board doesn't post about Israel as much as Reformed and Catholic and Replacement Theology people do. It's all their posts. They can barely go a day without talking about Israel. Hyper focus on Israel. While largely ignoring or downplaying the dramatically worse systematic persecution of Christians in every surrounding Middle Eastern nation. Gaza under Hamas, Syria, Iran, Yemen, Lebanon. You know, there's you know why I'm saying this? There's literally people that believe Israel's like the most dangerous place for Christians in the Middle East. Lots of them. Israel hates Christians. Israel is one of the most persecuted pro-persecution towards Christian nations there is. Oh, yeah? Then go wear a big cross and drape yourself with an American flag and walk through Palestine and let me know how it goes. Walk through any of those nations. Why the obsessive double standard and selective outrage if Israel is supposedly just another ordinary secular nation? Why the intense selective outrage, specifically toward Israel, if it's truly just like any other nation with no remaining covenant significance? Again, if you feel like Israel is no different than any other nation and the Jewish people and whatever God had to do with them ended around 70 AD or whatever, why do you talk about it all the time? 15. Disproportionate global influence and blessing. Isn't it interesting that people that feel like Jewish people don't have a blessing through the Abrahamic covenant? Because now that's through Christ only. The same people will say Jews control the world. Do you know when you ask the average person what percentage of the world is uh world's population is Jewish, the average answer is 20%. It's 0.2%. How can you not see, like taking now, I've covered plenty of theology, and I'm going to continue to cover theology. But let's take a step from theology and say, you don't believe the blessing of Abraham is active in Jewish people's lives? Then how do you explain the extreme disproportionate global influence and blessing that's visibly on the Jewish people? Do you find it strange that one of the smallest people groups on earth has produced a massively disproportionate level of global influence? The global Jewish population is about 15 to 16 million people out of 8 plus billion, roughly 0.2% of the world's population. Yet historically, around 22% of all Nobel Prize winners have been Jewish. That's over a hundred times their share relative to the global population. In broader influence, estimates suggest 15 to 18 percent of global billionaires have Jewish background. Again, 0.2 percent of the population, 15 to 18 percent of billionaires have a Jewish background. You know Elon Musk is not Jewish, but was raised with Jews? Rubs off on you. They've been historically overrepresented in finance, law, medicine, science, and technology. How does the people that make up one-fifth of one percent of humanity consistently produce a fifth or more of the world's top intellectual and scientific achievements? How do you explain this extraordinary, persistent pattern of blessing and influence on such a tiny group if God has completely withdrawn his hand from them? And why haven't they been overrun? I don't know if I can find the article. They interviewed somebody from uh, I think it was Hamas, when they did that rocket fire into Israel, and they said their iron dome intercepts all our rockets. And I've watched, this is their enemy. I've watched that when Iron Dome doesn't intercept, their God changes the direction of the of the rocket. That's what he said. So at what point do you, you know, if you're him, do you realize maybe I'm on the wrong side of this? And one point, and at what point if you're Tucker and Kerry, do you not look and say, wait a minute, there is a blessing on this group of people. They're underrepresented in prison, overrepresented in good things. That's an accident. Number 16. And by the way, that article it was in the New York Times, if I don't, if if my memory serves me correctly. 2015 or 2016. We watch as their God changes the direction of the rockets. How many people are in Israel? Six million? Let me ask. How many Jews in Israel?

SPEAKER_05 49:33

About seven point eight million Jews live in Israel right now.

SPEAKER_02 49:37

Thanks. Israel sent seven point eight million Jews surrounded by 220 million people that want them wiped off the face of the earth and they can't touch them. Let me get a uh grok again. In this latest war with Iran in the last 50 to 60 days, how many how many Jewish people have died in Israel from rocket attacks from Iran or missiles?

SPEAKER_05 50:17

Around 28 civilians. That's the number of Israelis killed directly by Iranian missile and drone strikes since the war kicked off at the end of February 2026.

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28, which is 28 too many. Not not looking for anybody to die. That's a miracle. You had a world power that everybody was afraid to attack for 40 years, regardless of what atrocities they were funding or directly responsible for, because they have a massive missile operation and it's gonna be trouble. And you've had they've they've launched all their rockets and they killed 28 people. Can barely touch them. 16. Romans 11, 25 to 26. I'm thinking I'm gonna get through these. For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits, that blindness in part is happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved, as it is written, there shall come out of Sion the deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob. Let me see, 25. 1125. For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery. So, Lord willing, I'll teach on this tomorrow or uh Thursday. That ye should be wise in your own conceits, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles become in. 25. So would you say that it's simple to evangelize Jewish people? No. Statistically, it's not. Do you know why? Because a blindness, once Christ was rejected, the Bible says a blindness has come on the people of Israel. As far as Christ. Don't want him, don't like him, can't see it, until the fullness of the Gentiles become in. Meaning that right now, this is the time of the Gentiles, and that time is coming to an end, which is why the focus is coming back off of America and Europe and going straight back to the Middle East, like the Bible says. And then when that happens, 26. And so all Israel shall be saved. So it's not 12,000 saved from every tribe. It's 12,000 Jewish evangelists from every tribe. All Israel will be saved. Have you ever noticed that Israel, the Jewish people, um, move as a unit? They didn't have a 55% vote for Trump, 45% vote for Kamala. There's districts where Jews vote 98% one way, 2% another way. They move as a unit, it's how they've stayed together. So just like they've essentially unilaterally rejected Christ, when the Antichrist betrays them after they receive him as Messiah and they see they were had, the blindness will come off of them and all Israel will be saved. As it is written. That's what's going to happen. Number 16. 21 things a serious Christian should consider about Israel and the Jewish people. Number 16, all Israel shall be saved, future, not past. If Israel has been replaced, Paul's statement makes no sense. Until temporary condition, all Israel equals distinct from Gentiles. This is clearly future, not fulfilled in the church age. How does all Israel will be saved fit comfortably into a theology that says national Israel has been permanently replaced by the church? Number 17, Romans 11, 28 and 29. As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes. But as touching the election, they are beloved for the Father's sakes. For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. Let me see 20 and 29 in NLT out of curiosity. Many of the people of Israel now are now enemies of the gospel. Yeah, so when you see the guy get the head cut off, uh cut Jesus' head off the statue, tear a cross down, spit on a Christian. Yes, many of the people of Israel are now enemies of the gospel. And this benefits you Gentiles. Yet they are still the people he loves because he chose their ancestors, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Put that back, 28. So that tells you you can't say that passed away in Christ. This is after the resurrection. Paul, a Jew among Jews, said the Jews are still the people God loves because he chose their ancestors Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. It's an eternal covenant. 29. For God's gifts and his call can never be withdrawn. God never withdraws his gifts. Replacement theology requires God to revoke promises. As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes. But as touching the election, they are beloved for the Father's sakes. For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. If God cancels Israel's promises, this verse is false. What does it mean for God's gifts and callings to be without repentance? If he can simply cancel his covenants with Israel, the children of Abraham, after saying it's an eternal covenant? Number 18. Jeremiah 31, 35 and 36. Thus saith the Lord, which giveth we already read this one. I think. 36. Yep. God stakes, number 18, God's covenant with Israel tied to fixed creation. God stakes Israel's existence on the stability of the universe. If those ordinances depart, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me forever. To deny Israel's future is to say the sun, moon, and stars can fail. If Israel's future as a nation is canceled, what does that say about the reality the reliability of the sun and moon and stars continuing as God ordained? Number 19. Luke 1, 32 and 33. He shall be great, and he shall be called the Son of the Highest, and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David, and he shall reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there shall be no end. Number 19, the Davidic throne has not yet been fulfilled, literally. Jesus has not yet ruled from David's throne on earth. The Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David, and he shall reign over the house of Jacob forever. David's throne is earthly in Jerusalem. That has not happened yet. Therefore, future fulfillment requires Israel. Where and when has Jesus yet sat on the literal throne of his father David to reign over the house of Jacob? Number 20. I'm gonna do it. Acts 1, 6, and 7. Oh, you found it. 2014. I never forgot this article. That's why I remembered it off the top of my head. It's insane. Israel miracle? Gaza Strip, Hamas complain. Their God changes the paths of our rockets in midair. Headlines in Israel claim miracles are protecting the Jews during the Gaza Strip Ground War, with one headline proclaiming that Hamas terrorists are complaining about God changing the direction of rockets in midair. Hamas uh where is it? The article claims that Hamas has become frustrated with Israel's miracles. The Talmud tells us that in no way are we to depend on miracles. It argues that we must not desist from our obligations and must not wait for miraculous intervention from the supernatural. It's a good teaching. How perfectly relevant are both of these views today. We witness hourly miracles, as one of the terrorists from Gaza was reported to say when asked why they couldn't aim their rockets more effectively. So they asked this terrorist, why don't you guys do a better job firing your rockets? We do aim them, but their God changes their path in mid-air. And when our God is not busy doing that, he's ensuring that the high-tech brain power of our startup nation is working overtime to produce yet another Iron Dome battery to protect our cities and us. Quite a quote. If I was that guy, I would like to think about what I said. And why is my God not helping? Why does every missile they fire hit exactly where they aimed it? Maybe I'm on the wrong side. But few people can ever do that. Few people can ever take a step back and go, you know what? I didn't get this right. Number 20, Acts 1, 6, and 7. When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom of Israel? And he said unto them, It's not for you to know the times of the seasons which the Father has put in his own power. Number 20, the disciples expected a restored Israel. This is a great one. Write it down in the comments if you would. The disciples expected a restored Israel after the resurrection. Jesus did not correct their expectation. He affirmed the timing was not yet. Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? Jesus didn't say. That's wrong theology. He said it's not for you to know the time. Why didn't Jesus correct the disciples' expectation of a restored national kingdom to Israel if that hope was theologically misguided? And number 21. Anybody in the control desk surprised that I was able to do it? Zechariah 12, 12 to 3. Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling to all the people round about when they shall be in the sea, when they shall be in the siege, both against Judah and against Jerusalem. And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people. That's now. All that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces. Though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it. I want to ask something that I should have asked before the broadcast, but I'm curious of this. Um Grok. When Britain was in charge of Jerusalem, did they do anything that ticked off the Jews or do something that in retrospect um they shouldn't have done to uh Israel and Jerusalem?

SPEAKER_05 1:01:50

Very few. Most reports put direct deaths from Iranian missiles in the dozens, not hundreds of people.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:56

Just asking my old question. In the main fireups, like the Wakey Wakey. That's not the question I asked. When Britain held the mandate for Jerusalem and what is now Israel, did they do anything during that time that was that uh was offensive to the Jewish people or that maybe in retrospect they shouldn't have done to Israel?

SPEAKER_05 1:02:25

Yeah, the big one that still gets talked about is the 1939 White Paper. Britain caped Jewish immigration at just 75,000 over the next five years, right when Jews in Europe were desperately fleeing Nazi persecution right before the Holocaust kicked into high gear. After that, any more immigration would need Arab approval.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:47

That's what I thought. So I'm gonna go back there. So now check this out. And in that day I will make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people. All that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces. Meaning, if you mess with it, I'll take you out. There's there's a curse. Like if you touch this city and you mess with the Jews, you are gonna suffer a curse. So this is just now we could go through history, but let's take a recent example. Let me go back to Gronk. When the British Empire wronged the people, the Jews, by not allowing them to go back into their homeland when they were in control of Jerusalem. Tell me how far the British Empire stretched then, and then tell me how far it stretches now, and and how how badly Britain is doing economically in 2026 relative to the rest of Europe and relative to how great they used to be as an economic superpower.

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Back then, around 1917 to 1920, when Britain took Jerusalem and later controlled mandatory Palestine, the British Empire was at its peak. It covered about 13.7 million square miles, roughly 24 to 26 percent of the Earth's land surface, and ruled over a quarter of the world's population. It was the largest empire in history, stretching across every continent. Today, the UK controls 14 British overseas territories, places like the Falklands, Gibraltar, Cayman Islands, and a few tiny islands. That's a tiny fraction of its former size, mostly scattered specks with under 300,000 people total. No global empire anymore. Economically, in 2026, Britain's a shadow of its old superpower self. At its peak, the empire accounted for something like 20 to 25% of world GDP and dominated global trade. Now the UK alone is around 3% of world GDP, still the fifth largest economy nominally, at about $4.26 trillion. But its relative weight has collapsed. Relative to the rest of Europe this year, it's mixed but not great. Growth forecasts for 2026 have been repeatedly downgraded. IMF and OECD now put it around 0.8%, similar to Germany and France, slightly behind the Eurozone average. Some earlier predictions had it as Europe's fastest grower, but recent revisions due to energy shocks and other factors pulled it back. It's no longer the economic giant it once was. It's just one mid-tier European economy among others, struggling with slow growth like much of Western Europe, while Eastern Europe grows faster. The days of Britain as the workshop of the world are long gone.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:41

Let me ask you a question. I I zoned out. You said in its prime, Britain was what percentage of world GDP, and then what is it today?

SPEAKER_05 1:05:54

At its prime around 1870, the whole British Empire accounted for about 24%. Of world GDP. By 1913, that had slipped to roughly 20%. Today, just the UK on its own is around 2% of global GDP. That's a massive drop from dominating a quarter of the world economy. Oh, 25%. All right, thank you.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:16

So there you go. And uh I'm not teaching on today, but I should, but I don't, I'm not. I don't have the notes and I want to do it off the cuff. That's not the only place that touched Jerusalem and went down. Because if I'm wrong, then you can say, who cares about um Israel and the Jews? But if I'm right and it's an eternal covenant, then I will bless those that bless thee and curse those that curse thee, is still in effect. And I believe it is, and a lot of America believes it is, which is why America backs Israel. The Bible roots of America have knit America to Israel. Because the average person might not even be able to explain it like I am, but you, you know, nah, I want to turn our back on Israel. I think something bad. It's like a for a lot of people, it's just superstition. But for me, you know, for all the people who say Israel's a wicked nation. Well, first of all, the Bible told you it was that they they turned their back and then Christ will come and drive the unrighteousness out. But you want to know how I look at it with Israel and and um from a Christian perspective? If my daughter left my house, Camila, and moved in with an abusive boyfriend and they did drugs together, and she had cut herself off from me and wanted to take my calls, would it make me feel better if someone else attacked her? Nope. I'd still kill you. Even though I'm out of relationship with her by her own choices. And on the flip side, if I heard that you got her a place to live and you made sure she had food when she was on the street, I would uh find out who took care of my daughter and do something nice for him. And that's how God feels about the apple of his eye. Because, I mean, go back and read Genesis beginning at chapter 12. God really loved Abraham, really loved him. And the gifts and callings of God are without repentance, and the stuff he said, he, I will take care of your descendants forever. And we've been able through Christ to be graphed in and enjoy the. I mean, good Lord, man, I gotta fight it on every side. I'm fighting on this side now, and then the pulpit I gotta fight that we can actually have the blessing of Abraham. Then you got the other side that believes we are the blessing of Abraham, but can't have any of the money. So number 21. Zechariah 12, 2 and 3. I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about when they shall be in the siege, both against Judah and against Jerusalem. And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people. All that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it. I would not adopt a theology that made it cool to be part of the earth gathered against it. I mean, you follow this new wave of people, they won't come out and say some of them will, but you know, Hitler actually had some good points. Hitler was actually like the hero of World War II that was deposed by evil Zionist America. If that's the route you want to go, knock yourself out. Jerusalem remains central in end time prophecy. If Israel is irrelevant, why is Jerusalem the focal point? I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about. Not Rome, not New York, not the church, a literal city. Why would end times prophecy revolve so specifically around the literal Jerusalem if National Israel and its capital no longer matter in God's plan? And my friend, in understanding all this, it is not to just be right and know you're right. It should put an urgency. It's why this theology produced Ryan Hart Bonkey and Teal Osborne and Bishop Oyadepo and Pastor Etaboye and uh Billy Graham and Lester Summer and John Osteen. You should, when you see these things begin to happen, look up. It's why I'm looking for Iran to come up with the gospel. My friend, we are not in the last days. We are in the final moments of the last days. The time of the Gentiles is coming to a close, and the focus is gonna shift back to Israel and is shifting back to Israel. There is an imminent catching away of the church. There is a literal church. And now that's what I'm gonna teach on tomorrow. If you enjoyed yesterday and today, do not miss tomorrow. Because tomorrow I'm gonna get to the true root of why there's a division in the church, what they call dispensationalism and covenant theology, and this is gonna make everything make sense to you. What should you do once you understand all this? You should give your life to the building of churches and the winning of the lost and the discipleship of men and women. And if you're with us, that's what we do. Have you ever made Jesus Christ your Lord and Savior? If not, I want you to do that with me right now. Pray this prayer with me. If you've heard the word and you realize I'm on the outside of this, I need to come to God through his son Jesus Christ. Say this out loud. Heavenly Father, I admit that I've sinned. I repent. I believe in my heart, you raise Jesus from the dead. I confess with my mouth, Jesus is Lord and my Savior. Right now, I receive forgiveness. By the blood of Jesus, I am saved. In Jesus' name, amen.

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