Bill Hunt Discusses Paramount/Warner Bros Merger PLUS WB's 2026 4K Slate

We sit down with Bill Hunt of The Digital Bits to unpack the Paramount–Warner twist and his thoughts on the merger's impact on physical media. We also discuss how replication bottlenecks and layoffs are reshaping the industry. Then we review Warner Bros' entire 2026 4K slate, their boutique licensing partners, and why there is an urgency to keep buying physical media.
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Transcript

Bill Hunt’s Origins In Physical Media

Tim Millard 0:07

So, Bill, how uh how long have you been reporting on physical media?

Bill Hunt 0:11

My goodness. Uh 28 plus years, uh closing in on closing in on 30. Wow. Since the very beginning of DVD, basically, and I've been involved in the industry before that. I went to film school at the University of Wisconsin. And uh but I was a uh for the my first 10 years out of college, I was a video producer. Right. You know, doing actual corporate content and things like that. So it wasn't uh wasn't until 97 when when DVD happened, and I I started hearing about it before it came out from my industry friends that I started started doing what I'm doing.

Tim Millard 0:44

Yeah. So roughly 30 years, physical media. How long have you been doing social media?

Bill Hunt 0:52

Uh not since the beginning, it uh oddly. I mean, obviously a website. Um, but yeah, I mean, we didn't I don't think we really started the bits social media presence until gosh. Uh we were a few years behind, I think. Was it w social media was sort of like 2010, 2012?

Tim Millard 1:10

Are we talking like iPhone 2005? Yeah, I don't know.

Bill Hunt 1:13

Yeah, something like that. Yeah. Like I I think, you know, Facebook, I think is probably where we had the first presence, but the but like Twitter X, um, and I but but I don't do like I don't do Instagram.

Tim Millard 1:25

So so 30 years physical media, yeah, maybe 20 years social media. Anybody on social media ever think they know more about physical media than you?

Bill Hunt 1:35

Oh, you see you see that occasionally. Yeah. Or do you see people who don't, you know, don't know who I am, who who, you know, because if if you've been following this stuff for a long time, most people know who I am, but there are lots of younger kids who are just kind of getting into it or, you know, for the first time and they they they they they will hear about it. The funny thing is, though, I just out of curiosity, I asked uh AI. I checked with like ChatGPT, checked with Garok, checked with Gemini, like, you know, because you Google yourself, right, to see what people are saying. And and and I Google myself and it seemed to get it pretty right. Or I did this, you know, the ask AI. Um, and so I thought I asked another question, which is like in the last 30 years, what is what's been the best source of accurate information about upcoming releases, about these formats, about the format wars, et cetera, et cetera. And they all listed the all of them. The bits was like the top thing. And it's like, okay, I'm I'm proud of that. I'm proud of that. We worked hard for that.

Tim Millard 2:34

So I guess it, I guess what it shows is that the uh the Gemini is actually correct.

Bill Hunt 2:42

I I I want to believe it is for sure. I mean, you know, it's we've we've definitely worked very, very hard over the years to sort of get to be the most sort of accurate source of that information.

Social Media, Reputation, And Accuracy

Tim Millard 2:52

Yeah. Well, if you don't know by now, joining me today is Bill Hunt, editor of the digital bits. And we're going to talk about the uh the big elephant in the room, the paramount Warner Brothers news, of course. But uh we're also going to discuss physical media news, and that includes the Warner Brothers 4K coming out in 2026. We're obviously several months in now, so we'll also talk about some of the titles that already came out and her. Curious to get your feedback on that, and then maybe some other titles and some other partners of Warner Brothers uh as well. So that we'll wrap all that in together and it'll be a lot of fun. But let's start there with the news that Paramount won the bid for Warner Brothers Discovery and Netflix bowed out. Where were you? What was your reaction when you first heard the news?

Setting The Table: Paramount Wins Warner

Why Netflix Might Have Been Better

Bill Hunt 3:45

Yeah, I I was very surprised. Um because it it seemed like, you know, Netflix had it wrapped up, right? There there was all the talk about the deal was signed and it was the agreement and that sort of thing. I think the reality is I was doing a Patreon video and and I started my phone started blowing up and I, you know, it was added on silent mode. Um and when I got on, when I stopped recording the Patreon video, I looked and I was, yeah, and it was kind of shocking. I I suppose in some sense it it's not, because I think it's it seemed to me fairly clear that that a lot of the the sort of deck was tipped in Paramount's favor, um, and that the Netflix you know purchase would have been a bit of an uphill climb for a lot of reasons. But um yeah, I was surprised. I mean, I I personally thought that the Netflix purchase would be better. Um and there are a lot of reasons for that. I mean, I g because I know the popular opinion immediately was, oh no, Netflix is a streamer, and that's bad for the film industry, and they've made comments about uh, you know, the how the industry needs to change and and theatrical windows aren't the future anymore. And um and I know that that was all true, but I think that blinded people to a couple things. One of which is that I think Netflix is a really, really smartly run company. Um they are very smart, and when they commit to something, they're all in. And they are they they tend to be very ahead of the game, right? They were ahead of the game on streaming. Um, they were they were ahead of the game on the mail order DVD rentals. Um I think they're very, very savvy. And the my problem with with the Paramount Skydance purchase is that when Skydance purchased Paramount, the first thing they did, Lee, in the lead up to that purchase, first thing they did was parachute an executive team onto the Melrose lot, and they just started firing people. And they fired a lot of people. I mean a lot of people. And I can tell you that, you know, I used to know 20, 30 people over in home entertainment at Paramount, and they're almost all gone now. Almost all of them are gone. And what we've seen in the last year or so is the the Paramount's catalog for case slate has just evaporated. They're still releasing titles, but they're rebrands, they're repackages of existing titles they've done previously, you know, elite case titles that are now in steelbook packaging or whatever it might be. That was sort of the middle of last year. After that, they really only had two, which was Minority Report and Catch Me If You Can for Spielberg, I think, in December. Um, but that work had already been done. And since then, there's been absolutely nothing, even though now they've signed a distribution deal with Alliance Entertainment. Um but there's the and and I know that there's a couple of titles they're trying to get going, but it's just, you know, Paramount used to be one of the bright spots in terms of 4K catalog. They used to do, you know, a dozen or or two a year. Um, and that's just completely dried up. And so that's that's really very frustrating. And my worry is, you know, what happens if if um, you know, the the Sky Dance, Paramount Sky Dance people parachute under the Burbank lot and and do the same thing. And that is not outside the realm of possibility. Right.

Tim Millard 6:52

Yeah. Well, I mean, a lot of argument out there that Netflix really wouldn't have done anything better than Paramount in terms of we'll never know. I mean, at this point, we'll never know. And I think that, you know, the there's kind of two two ways of looking at it. One is the big picture of the industry, and that's what a lot of Hollywood I think is working through right now is you know, the fact that, hey, these studios are there's getting to be less of them.

Bill Hunt 7:19

Yeah.

Tim Millard 7:20

And I'm referencing, of course, the Disney, you know, purchase of Fox a while back, but that's a fear about the industry overall in Hollywood. And then you and I are a little more myopic in terms of we're looking specifically at these home entertainment groups and things of that nature as well. And that, you know, those don't always have the same response from me anyway, because you know, to your point of what they did there with the Paramount Home Video, that's very scary. Because I talk primarily about Warner Brothers releases. Yeah. And uh I worked at Warner Brothers and and still have friends over there. So, you know, that's uh that's a scary thought.

Bill Hunt 7:58

To interject briefly, you uh you and I also know what happened at 20th Century Studios, at 20th Century Fox, right? When Disney purchased it, right? That whole catalog went behind the sort of Disney Disney wall. Um, and not only are we not getting a lot of Disney 4K catalog, we're not getting very much, you know, 20th Century Fox or 20th Century Studios 4K catalog. It's just only in the last year that we've started to get a few, really, but you know, it's like and as as physical media fans, that's huge for us.

Tim Millard 8:27

Yeah, yeah. And and I know a few people who were at Fox, went over to uh Disney, they stayed on, but have recently been laid off. Uh kind of quietly uh because it wasn't in the news or anything, but even they are shrinking that area. So it makes it hard to think that they're somehow going to increase. Though this deal that they have with Sony releasing, is that helping? Have you seen a bump there?

Layoffs, Lost Expertise, And 4K Slowdown

Bill Hunt 8:56

It is helping. Yeah, it is certainly helping. And and and for example, uh uh it's interesting because about two and a half, two and a half to three years ago, I was asked by some folks at Disney for a list of 4K titles that I thought, catalog titles that I thought would be really big sellers on the format. And so I gave them a list of about 50 titles. And I said, here's an A list of like really good titles, there's a B list of kind of deeper cuts, but they're those those all would sell well. And there was nothing for for a while. And then last year, the the top three titles on that A list of titles that I gave them, Tombstone, Kingdom of Heaven, Master and Commander, boom, boom, boom, they all came out, right? And there were several other titles that came out as well. And what was really interesting is they sold so well, they couldn't keep them in stock anywhere. And that has been the real problem is that Disney did sort of try to get back into it a little bit more last year. And there's a bottleneck in terms of replication for particularly 100 gig discs, right? So that's why you've also seen a lot of titles be bumped down to 66 gig discs and, you know, instead of 100 gig. But yeah, they couldn't make enough. They just couldn't make enough. And obviously with the tariffs and all the other stuff that's happened in the last year or two, it's that whole situation has gotten so complicated that I think what happened is they got snake bit a little bit and they sort of throttled back a little. And so now they're a little more cautious than they were even a year ago. And and and so we'll see. I I I know there are a couple, there are a few things coming this year, and they tell me that toward the end of the year, especially there's gonna be some more, but it that replication bottleneck is a real problem right now for 4K discs.

Tim Millard 10:30

Yeah, yeah, it's across the board of, you know, for all the studios, it's impacted uh one archive, which uh I talked about probably the most of any on the extras here. You know, you you try to set a release date and you can get your pre-order in, but nothing is showing up at your door on Street Gate, or or very little is. And uh the fact that even the biggest of the titles, the the the 4Ks, that those aren't showing up on time tells you just how dire it is in terms of that bottleneck.

Bill Hunt 11:01

Well, and it used to be that the studios would announce these titles months in advance and they would send out a press release and they would let us all know, right? And now what happens is we know they're coming. We find out that they're coming, but they don't announce until right before street date, what right before the planned street date. And I think the reason is is because they are just scrambling to make as many as they can to meet demand for that first month. And and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Right.

Disney–Fox Lessons And Sony’s Help

Tim Millard 11:27

Well, uh, and part of the team for home video are the people who work on those press releases. Yeah. And you might think, well, does that go through corporate communications? No, corporate communications is is for the studio. You have uh a team that just works on the home entertainment releases, and there's just not many of them left. So that also is a part of it because it's not just one person who sits down and writes that release. You have other people reviewing it because let's let's be fair to the person writing the release. They don't know everything about every title. Check this over. And and so you you do this, and there's always something that's being reviewed and uh you know by you if you're working on it or somebody else. For me, I would only look at the part that really had to do with the extras, you know, that were gonna be on that disc, make sure that was correct. Or, hey, you forgot that we actually have a one or two more items there. Or, hey, let's point this one out because it's you know, it's an audio commentary with the director or or an actor. Let's really point that out. So uh now you're just gonna, you know, you're gonna get very little minimal communication, unfortunately, as part of all of this layoffs.

Bill Hunt 12:37

Yeah. Yeah. It's it's definitely the the physical media industry is not what it once was. Even, I mean, there are great it's what's great is there are headlines lately that, you know, younger people are to Gen Z and stuff is is kind of rediscovering physical media and Blu-ray and DVD and 4K are starting to kind of rise again a little bit after plateauing for a long time. But it's still people don't realize the industry is not what it was even 10 years ago. It's it's it's like it it's it's a shadow of itself in terms of the people in the industry who are fighting to get these these titles out.

Tim Millard 13:07

When we last talked like uh uh on the podcast, it was a few years back, and you said that was the future. That that's where we were going to be going. Uh have you seen that basically kind of come true, come to fruition? Because on the one hand, you have this kind of wow, there's so many titles coming out, and and you know, it doesn't feel like there's a real abundance of stuff, which is true, right? But there's there's less replication options, so you get these bottlenecks, and and I think what is kind of the the mirage or the false is that you've got more titles coming out, but they're selling a lot less units.

Bill Hunt 13:47

Yeah. They're selling less, and you know, there's also more mistakes, right? So you might buy a title and out of every like five titles you get, there might be one that has a disk error or like some kind of replication problem. And then you have to go through either hopefully you can exchange the disk or return it, but you might have to go through a replacement program, and that takes, you know, as you know, it can take months to get uh a disk back. And and again, as you said, the studios don't have as many people as before. So, you know, I think for example, for Warner Brothers, there's like literally one person who handles all of their customer service needs. So it's like, can you imagine if uh if if there are three, four thousand people trying to get a replacement disc and there's literally one person handling it, right? It's this is sort of the problem. And and and uh so yeah, it's just I mean, and and then when it comes to 4K players, there's only really two mainstream manufacturers now. There are a couple of sort of boutique manufacturers that are much more expensive, but yeah, it's it's it's not it's weird. It's not what it was. And I and it's a shame because I really think that we're getting a greater number of really interesting titles than ever before. Right. Um you know, and finally, I think last year and this year we're starting to see titles that we people have been really waiting for a long time. But yeah, it's just it feels like everything is sort of on a on a it's like a little bit of a house of cards, you know what I mean? You never know what what announcement or what world event or you know, whatever it might be that could just just slow everything to a halt.

Replication Bottlenecks And Late Street Dates

Tim Millard 15:15

Yeah. Hey, let's get back to that that Paramount uh Warner Brothers, uh, because we strayed uh away from that for a second. But I don't know if you got a chance to see. I I just did a short video that I put up on YouTube. And basically there, I didn't get into who should, who shouldn't, which way, it's you know I I basically was like, look, as fans of physical media, as people who have loved and supported for decades, you know, from buying VHSs, many people even back to Laserdisc, but uh VHSs, DVDs, Blu-rays, 4Ks now, and whatever the future might might bring, because these things are so much kind of uh at higher levels of of corporate America and Wall Street that it's really hard to to for the individual collector to feel like they have any anything that they can do. And I just I just basically reminded people look, one thing we can do, we can keep buying, and that will still hit the bottom line, and it will help the Warner Archives and the and the Warner Home Entertainment. It's it it by no means guarantees anything. Right, right. It does two things. It it does help their bottom line, and number two, it's what we want to do anyway, and and you know, we want to fill our shelves like you have behind you and I have behind me. Yeah, right, exactly, exactly. Yeah, and and and you know, I'll replace the DVD with the Blu-ray or Blu-ray with the 4K so that uh I I don't fill up this whole room here, but you know, we we enjoy it, and it's something that uh that those of us who are dedicated to it, that the studios rely on, they rely on us to to keep that business going. So it's hard to really feel like we could make a much difference in terms of whatever our opinion is on these, but you know, I I do hope that if this all goes forward, uh that uh the fact that Warner Brothers has, I think for a good uh chunk of the history of of Blu-ray and DVD and and 4K been one of the biggest distributors of online payment. I know when I was there, we were number one year after year after year, and other companies would use us, including Paramount uh to release a lot of their catalog. And I have hope, some hope that the people who are left can continue to do their work and time time will tell and we'll see. But unlike unlike the Disney where they bought Fox, they did not buy the lot. Right. You know, uh Fox kept the name, they kept the lot, but they sold the content library and and the theatrical part of it. There is some hope that Warner Brothers, the brand, just how successful it's been, how large it is, that it can continue even with these mergers, these purchases, you know, from Discovery, now Paramount looks like, and whatever the future has to hold.

Bill Hunt 18:10

Yeah, you would like to think, you would like to think that Warner Brothers will continue to be a studio with a heritage and all the institutional knowledge, right? And rather than just what happened to Fox, which it's just basically becomes a brand within the sort of Disney Empire, and to a lesser extent Paramount with with Skydance. Uh so yeah, we can hope we can certainly hope. I mean, I I really do, you know, I know that there's there it was one of the things you mentioned is that Paramount is gonna probably keep both lots, um, which in theory is good, right? But of course, you know, that's only as good as uh do they keep all the employees or the do they keep enough of the of the the long-term employees at each studio to to really have retain that institutional knowledge? Because that's obviously the key in terms of uh, you know, catalog and just in turn, just in understanding the history and understanding what's in the vault, right? That kind of thing.

Fewer Staff, More Errors, And Player Shortages

Tim Millard 19:00

Yeah. And I understand why, you know, people have responded to to the video I put up, and people have been, yeah, you know, they're they're a little more cynical. And I get that. I get the fact that uh people say, well, you know, when Wall Street is running things, it's hard not to get a little cynical uh because the creatives aren't aren't making all the decisions. Yeah. And so, you know, a lot of people get let go. Even when I got let go after AT ⁇ T uh made the purchase of Warner Brothers and then they decided to uh bring on Discovery. I mean, so many great creative people were let go from Warner Brothers that I'd worked with. Yeah, so many great creative people at HBO. I'm talking about people who developed the shows, wrote the shows, and produced the shows. Yeah. And and yet HBO still is very strong, still doing quite well. It somehow survived all of that because I was I wasn't sure. And then Warner Brothers TV. I did so much work with Warner Brothers TV and the heyday of the uh 2005 to 2020, the heyday of all the DC shows and CW and just so much content. You know, the Big Bang Theory, which I worked on, and and Two and a Half Men, and all of these great shows were created by people. Right. They are creative people who create these shows. But one thing I will remind people is that a lot of that content aired on CBS. There's been a long-standing good relationship between CBS, Warner Brothers television, uh, in terms of selling of product, and guess who owns CBS? Well, Paramount. So uh, you know, I see glimmers of hope. I may be naive and I may be proven wrong, but I do see glimmers of hope. And of course, you know, we don't know that it's actually going to finalize uh at the time we're talking, but just based on what we do kind of know and where we see it kind of going. Uh and as I said, the characters in the library, the Bugs Bunnies, the Tom and Jerry's, you know, the Clark Gables and the Humphrey Bogarts, they'll endure through this whole process. We're just kind of worried about the home entertainment group. Yeah, for sure. For sure.

Keep Buying: How Fans Influence Outcomes

Bill Hunt 21:12

And it's, you know, because uh, as you said, you know, the stuff is people are cynical about sort of Wall Street and these sort of business interests. And the problem is it's it's very much Wall Street that that told the studios, well, you have to have a streaming operation. Like if you want to be a serious studio, you've got to have a streamer. And the problem is, is there's only so many television households in the U.S., right? So and and and I think it's 119, 120, something like that, million TV households in the US. And every household has got a budget for two, maybe three streamer services, right? And and a little with a little bit of overlap. But otherwise, you know, you you're capped. You're totally capped. You can't, there's a ceiling that you can't exceed go past. Even if you try to go international, the problem is that everywhere you go around the world to do to start streaming, you have to build the infrastructure and you have to maintain the infrastructure, right? So there's just a ceiling. Streaming is only going to be so profitable. And that profit is typically going to be determined by your audience and how much churn there is and how much you spend on content. Yeah. So in theory, these libraries should always be evergreen, right? They should always be evergreen. But here's the problem with streaming and with digital. If you have a favorite film and you, you know, you're a diehard fan of, you know, Gone with the Wind or Ben Her or whatever it is, you know, when a brand new version of that film comes out on a new format in a box with lots of cool extras and great new remastering and stuff, you might go out and spend 50 to 100 bucks on that, right? You if it's really special, you might do that. Yeah. But once you purchase it digitally, you will probably never buy it again. And so physical media allows the it allows new generations to keep discovering and rediscovering this content, right? Because lots of people probably watching this today weren't here for the dawn of the DVD or even Blu-ray, but like their older brothers or their parents were, or their old older siblings were, and then they were younger at the time, but then they discovered their their family's collection, right? And they got into it. And physical media keeps that stuff fresh. It keeps it in people's minds. And it feels special, right? It's like a box that just feels like a special thing. But if you're just talking about clicking on a stream, you know, or paying, you know, spending like $9.99 to buy the digital rights, at that point it just, it's not special anymore. And you're not likely ever to buy it again. So by pivoting completely to streaming, what the studios realized is oh my God, we're cutting off like one of the biggest sources of revenue for us, and or a big source of revenue, but also the source of revenue that keeps it, keeps it special, that keeps it evergreen, right? For for fans of this stuff. So yeah, it was a it was, you know, and that's the world we live in now. We're we're never gonna not go back to having streaming. But I hope, and I would like, and I'm sure you're on the same boat, I would love to see a world where these two things can coexist and that both both of them are given equal weight and given equal seriousness, right? Because the physical media, you know, whenever you go to do a new physical media release, typically you go into the vault, you get out the assets, you do a remaster or preservation. So that physical media from the very, very beginning, especially with DVD on, that's how the studios financed the preservation of their catalog. And that's that's that's that's very important. Even in an all-streaming world, you've got to you've got to preserve those assets. Every every you know, 10, 15 years, you have to go in and look and see where the see where we are. And do they do we need a new scan? Do we need a new safety negative or whatever it might be, right? So So hopefully, you know, that world where these things can coexist will will last for a while. I I don't know that I would make any bets on anything, but I but I'm hoping it lasts as long as possible, right? Because I I love this stuff.

Tim Millard 25:03

Right, right. Doomsday scenario, you don't you don't see physical media going away completely ever, do you? In theory, no.

Bill Hunt 25:10

Um, but it's possible. You know, I mean, let's I mean, I was just gonna throw out a hypothetical. Most of the chips that that go into players and hardware um are because this is all your player is the computer, right? This is all a computer. So most of the chips that go into those devices are are, you know, they're made in Taiwan, and most of this stuff is packaged in China. And let's let's imagine that there's some kind of a conflict with, you know, China decides to invade Taiwan or, you know, whatever it might be, whatever it may be. You know, and I know by the way, because disk replication, there's only so much disk media that's produced, and there's a limited number of factories do that. There's only like three major replicator plants around the world that do most of the physical media, three or four. So there's all of these kind of single point failures. And you could imagine some kind of, you know, some kind of global event or something that happened that might disrupt that flow. And all it takes is is one or two things. Obviously, we had a pandemic not that long ago. There's, you know, the the recent tariffs. I mean, these things can happen, right? So you just you just don't know.

Tim Millard 26:15

Yeah, I I hadn't really thought about it, but you could you could get cut off if if nobody is making the players anymore.

Bill Hunt 26:22

I mean, we're down to two. I mean, back in the heyday, there were six, seven companies making Blu-ray players. Now it's, you know, we're down to like two or maybe I think it's I think it's about maybe three or four, but only two really mainstream ones that make affordable ones, right?

Tim Millard 26:36

Yeah, yeah. All right, enough, enough negative there. We aren't there yet. We are we we actually have a lot of great stuff coming out. Yes.

Speaker 2 26:47

Keep hope alive.

Streaming’s Ceiling And Why Discs Matter

Tim Millard 26:48

Well, part of me is like, hey, you know, about the future. Yeah right now, I am loving it. I like I'm loving life as a physical media collector right now. This is not 2008, 2010, Lord of the Rings, you know, boxheads and like amazing, where we're breaking new ground. But still, I'm loving these 4Ks. So let's talk about these uh the Warner Brothers 4Ks that we know about because you posted about this. Uh you kind of broke that story. I think before we get into the stuff that hasn't released, let's talk about these amazing ones that have released. And I'm talking, I'm talking to you, Ben Her. I mean, yeah, I mean, you've done a review, and uh I didn't read it because I wanted to watch mine first. Right. Oh, totally understand. I got mine, and then I'm like, what? Bill's got a review up already? I was like, and I did see your blompes, like, this is amazing. Like you hadn't even finished reviewing the whole disc. But tell us about it. Uh the reviews out there, of course, people can go through it and read the whole thing on your uh uh website.

Bill Hunt 27:54

Tell us a little bit about this one. So I think it's a it's an 8K scan, but the the negative is gorgeous. I mean, the negative is in great shape, right? It is one of the best classic film restorations in 4K that I've ever seen. It's right up there with like the searchers that Warner Archive did, with Jaws that Universal put out a couple of years ago. It is astonishing. It is astonishing how good this film looks. And yet it still looks like film, right? The the grain is still there. Um, but they went in and they digitally, I believe, redid some of the transitions that are typically optically printed in the past, right? So you'd get a generation loss in quality when there was a fade or a dissolve or something. It's just it's stunning. I I popped it in the moment I got it. Yeah. And I started marveling at it so much that I ended up having to watch the entire film like that moment and dropped everything and watched it.

Tim Millard 28:47

And we're talking a very long film. It's got intermission. It's Yeah.

Bill Hunt 28:51

It takes And it's and by the way, both the the the uh it's split over two discs, right? And the first disc is uh which has most of the movie, is a hundred the longer half, right? Is a hundred gigs so it's the bit rates are just through the roof. It's just oh, it is is just beautiful. And and then, you know, Warner Brothers, it's like they're they've they're pricing their discs so affordably that it was, I think it was you could get it for like 25 bucks on on Amazon and places, and it's just man, worth every penny.

Tim Millard 29:19

Well, I'm looking at your review just at the at the top where you put the A. Yeah. You have film program grade A plus, video grade, A plus, audio grade A. And uh the extras come in at a A minus, but it's still it's A across the board. Yeah. And I mean, there's always usually something you can find fault in in a release, but this one is just uh it's a home run.

Bill Hunt 29:47

Yeah, oh 100% home run. The only the the only thing, and by the way, the extra is a minus. The only reason we gave it the minus because there were a couple of things that had been included on the on previous DB limited editions that didn't carry over. And so if you've got the that beautiful limited edition package, you might still want to keep that for that sort of thing. But yeah, you can't, I mean, the A V quality is so good, it's just you I mean, yeah, you you can't go wrong. I mean, even with a blind purchase in that title, you can't go wrong. It's just if you just if you care about this stuff like we do, it's just astonishing.

Tim Millard 30:18

And that that came out, well, I guess in February. February. And the same, the same street date. Let me pull up this other one. We had All the President's Men, which I just watched a couple of days ago.

Speaker 2 30:30

Yeah.

Tim Millard 30:31

And I thought it too was terrific. I mean, terrific film, but I mean the 4K. What were your what was your take on that?

Bill Hunt 30:38

Yeah, also, yeah, also very good. I'm not, I think one of my guys, well, I think maybe Steven reviewed that on the bits, but yeah, I mean, also very good. It's you know, obviously they they, you know, there's Warner Archive does their stuff, Warner Warner Discovery Home, Warner Bros. Discovery Home Video does their stuff, and then obviously they licensed them some of the things out, but Warner Proper, they do such a great job of you know, of remastering it, and they really have kind of upped their game in the last couple of years. And and you can always count on those titles to be really top rate in terms of picture and sound quality. It's pretty terrific.

Could Physical Media Disappear

Tim Millard 31:10

Yeah, I I loved it. Uh I mean, what's funny is uh I was trying to think when, you know, when did I see that film? Yeah. And um my dad, who was not a movie guy, dragged the whole family to go see that one. I was so young, I had no idea what the story was about. And uh uh, but of course, those of us uh you know who are older, we understand what had happened there at Watergate. I think if I think a young person now, if they were to watch this and the the quality of the the 4K, it's terrific. Now, the storytelling is a little is a little bit uh stylistically different, but uh I I personally enjoy it. That was kind of the heyday of when we actually looked up to journalists. Do you remember that? Where are the journalists who actually, you know, the the industry has been destroyed, but that film really was an era and a time where journalists were doing terrific work.

Bill Hunt 32:07

Well, there was sort of an expectation of certain kind of standards for for journalism, but also for politics, right? There's certain kinds of behavior that were acceptable and were not, and and yeah, it was a it was very much a different time for sure. And obviously in the 70s, too, that was, you know, post a lot the the America in particular was jaded, right? That was post-Vietnam. There was just yeah, there was a lot of there was a lot of stuff in the air, and and I people sort of had different expectations. And even just as moviegoers, you talked about how your dad dragged the whole family to go see that late 70s, early 80s was a time when you you just if something came out, you just went to see it because you had no idea what to expect, but you were constantly almost every weekend, there was some, you know, two or three movies that today we consider like iconic, right? That were amazing. And and you could just do that.

Tim Millard 32:54

And and it the the 70s films, you know, they have a certain look to them. And I I I you know I enjoyed.

Speaker 2 33:01

So a new Hollywood aesthetic. Yeah, yeah.

Celebrating Recent 4Ks: Ben-Hur And More

Tim Millard 33:05

Uh, and of course, we lost Robert Redford, you know, not too far back. So that's great seeing him in that film. It's always uh gee, you get you get to be our age and you start losing these actors that you grew up looking up to and idolizing. And uh that's the sad part. The good part, they're forever on film, looking terrific, their performances are captured.

Bill Hunt 33:28

Well, to me, 4K, like the fact that we can we can not only appreciate those performances that these actors gave, but we can now appreciate them better than we ever have before, right? Because it's like if you've only seen them on television or or DVD or whatever, or even Blu-ray, you've never seen seen what, you know, basically what's on the negative, right? And it's unless you actually went to the theater even in the in the very first, you know, the beginning of it, right? So yeah, it's I I love that. I love like watching Ben Hur, just seeing Charles Haston in his prime. It was just I mean, wow, you know, it was a thing.

Tim Millard 34:04

He's manly. You know, uh my dad was military, so I grew up in this kind of manly, you know, environment. And I watched Ben Hur and I'm like, that was an era. That was like masculinity. But it's fun to see an era and how it represents certain things like masculinity or journalism or whatever it might be. That's the beauty of these films, that it captures that through the creative process uh of the filmmakers of that era. Well, let's move on to some more of what's coming in 26. I don't know if you have a list uh in front of you, but what are some of the ones that you want to run down, or maybe we should run through all the ones that you've heard of anyway?

Bill Hunt 34:42

Well, I can tell you so I I've pretty well tracked down through multiple sources uh the entire main uh slate, 4K slate for the year for Warner Brothers. Obviously, a couple of these titles could change, and and lots of them haven't been announced yet. Uh Sleeper, Barry Levinson's Sleepers was just announced. That's coming out on uh 421. And a title hasn't now this one hasn't been announced yet, but I know it's coming. And it's this is one that really makes me happy is the Wachowski Speed Racer. Um I I love this film. And I uh when I walked out of that film in the theater in 2008, I thought that's a masterpiece. That's a masterpiece in the same way that The Matrix was, right? In a different way, but in but in a similar way in terms of just pushing the film aesthetic of cinematography and editing, pushing it forward another quantum leap past what what they did with the with The Matrix. And it blew me away. But of course, this was a this is a shamelessly optimistic, candy-colored movie that came out right at the same time as like Iron Man and The Dark Knight, when everyone was like the gritty, dark realism was the thing everybody was in the mood for. So nobody knew what to think about Speed Racer. Um, but I love that film, and it's been really lovely to see in the last five five or six years how there's all these think pieces online now and YouTube videos where people are going, wow, you know what? Speed Racer was really that pretty amazing. And, you know, the aesthetic that they advanced in that film is something that we didn't really see again until um until uh Mad Max Fury Road, right, came out, until uh the Spider-Man animated Spider-Man into the Spider-Verse did some very similar things, right? But this film did that almost 10 years earlier. And uh I love it. So I and it also, the other thing about that film is when it came out on Blu-ray, it was only on a BD25, wasn't even a BD50, so it was very compressed. It only had lossy Dolby Digital, it didn't have lossless audio. So to see this film finally getting the qual the sort of love and care it deserves, I'm so excited. I've I've pushed for this film on in 4K for years, I've championed it. So excited for it.

WB's 2026 4K Slate: Speed Racer And Beyond

Tim Millard 36:54

And you've been mentioning it uh on X, how excited you are that this one's coming out. May 19th. So I was working at at home video and I remember um Paul loved it. My my boss there at that time, Paul Hempstreet, really enjoyed it. He was working on it, I believe. And when it when it didn't do the box office that people were hoping or expecting, uh, I remember he was very disappointed. But uh uh, you know, sometimes certain things need a little bit of seasoning, I guess.

Bill Hunt 37:22

Just ahead of their time. I mean, uh the funny thing is the first time I saw Speed Racer was Ronnie Sass, Ronnie Sass, or from Ronnie Sass at Warner Brothers, got me into a pr a studio screening on the Warner lot in that in the Ross Theater, right? Which is an amazing theater, one of the best in town. And I was a huge fan of the original anime from the 1960s as a kid. It was the first thing I ever loved as a kid. I used to run home from school to see it on UHF TV, right? And I walked out of that theater on just on Cloud Nine, man, because there's so many little touches in that film that if you are a fan of that original anime, they just it's clear how much love went into that, went into the the the Wachowski's put into Speed Racer. So yeah, um it's to me that's a that's one of the sort of holy grail titles I've been and I'm really excited for it. So Okay, what else? Uh so in it looks like June. Um it's this is starting to appear for pre-order, but the it's not dated anywhere yet. But I my sources tell me it's probably June 16th, somewhere about that that time, is Chuck Russell's Eraser, the Schwarzenegger film. So from 1996. So that's coming in in June. Right. Um after that, so now the only other title that is has actually been revealed officially, which just happened, as you know, a couple couple weeks ago. Um, Warner Brothers teased that they're finally doing Gone with the Wind in 4K later in the year. And my guess is that'll be the big holiday title, right? That'll be the big holiday title. So Gone with the Wind is coming. But in terms of other titles, there are a couple that were sort of talked about last year that got delayed, one of which was Martin Campbell's Green Lantern 2011 film. Um my guess is that probably got delayed because of the new lanterns TV series. Oh so sometime later this year, it would be my understanding is Green Lantern, that Green Lantern film is going to come out. And there are four more that I know are coming at some point or that have been talked about. Five more, actually, pardon me. One of them is Gravity, Alfonso Coran's Gravity. That's being talked about. These should all be coming. There might be a little bit of changes here and there, but these are all pretty well confirmed. Um, P.T. Anderson's Magnolia is coming. Uh Tim Burton's Mars Attacks is coming, Neil Jordan's Interview with the Vampire at some point. And the final one is Frank Oz's Little Shop of Horrors. And that's a title that had been talked about last year, but Frank actually the remaster had been done last year, and he actually went out to do some screenings and he did a couple of QA's and he and he said, Yeah, this is coming at some point. And my sources tell me it's finally coming, it's likely to come this year. So that's pretty much for Warner Brothers proper, not including like Warner Archive or any license and stuff. That's pretty much the slate that you're looking at. That's like 12 titles.

Tim Millard 40:03

And just for those who don't know, for the Warner Archive, uh George Feltenstein, we uh in the podcast with me, he has said that there will be some 4K coming this year. No number, but just uh last year there were, I think, three releases that fell within the calendar year. The searchers was at the tail end of 24. So um it could be two, it could be three, but we'll see how that uh plays out. But there will be something more in the classic catalog area, not the the ones that are from the 90s and and yeah, more recent.

Bill Hunt 40:39

So there will be that as well. And obviously that's a nice balance, right? Like uh because these these titles I mentioned are all titles that people have, you know, they're they're all kind of in that range of things that people have wanted in 4K for a while. So it's cool to kind of start seeing some of that stuff. And then you've got obviously George and the Warner Archive people doing like the great real deep catalog stuff. Yeah. Classics, right? Um, and so it's nice to see that kind of variety. And and again, you know, one or two of these titles they could move around, one of them, you know, cut one or two of them could slip into early next year, kind of a thing, because that happens, but those are those are kind of all all on the docket.

Tim Millard 41:14

And and of course, the the the biggie for classic movie fans is gone with the win from 1939, and people have been waiting so long for this uh to come out on 4K. That is gonna be exciting, that falls under classic uh film, but at such a high degree of popularity that the main Warner Brothers Home Entertainment will be releasing that. One note I want to say is that it's the same group of people at Warner Brothers restoring whether it be for Warner Brothers Home Entertainment 4K or Warner Archive 4K. So the quality is just superb, as you previously mentioned.

Boutique Deals: Arrow, Criterion, Vinegar Syndrome

Bill Hunt 41:53

Yeah, Warner has their has their own team at Warner Warner Motion Picture Imaging right on the lot there that is just their first rate. They're as good as it gets.

Tim Millard 42:01

Yeah, as good as it gets, right. And then I I because of what is coming out next weekend, which I believe is the Oscars, I did want to ask you about a couple of these right over my shoulder for those watching. Uh the 4K's came out, you know, over last year they came out. And I want to get your uh opinion on them in terms of which one might win the Oscar because it does appear to be a two-horse race.

Speaker 2 42:26

Yes.

Tim Millard 42:33

It would appear to the Oscar win for best picture, because both one battle after another and Sinners have been taking the awards from the Golden Globes and BAFTAs and and other places. So they seem primed. Uh, do you have uh a pick there?

Bill Hunt 42:49

You know, I think both films are deserving, and it's really uh to me, it's really hard to pick because they they seem to be really neck and neck. So uh, you know, it's clearly going to be those two titles are gonna, I think, dominate most of the lot of the lot of the bigger categories. And unless some crazy thing happens where the two of them split the vote and then a third film sort of squeaks in. I mean, but I it seems to be those two films, you're absolutely right. And I and they're both really interesting movies.

Tim Millard 43:16

Yeah, they're both uh very well done original films, and not everybody's gonna like both movies. I understand that, but um, I think it's amazing that those are both coming out. This you know came out this last year from Warner Brothers. It just shows the amount of great product that they're putting out.

Bill Hunt 43:38

Um man. And well, but then you look at the year before, too. I mean, the Barbie movie and the Dune Dune movies, like I there's nothing I'm looking forward to more right now than Dune part three. I mean, those first two were extraordinary. So they're they really are. Warner Brothers really does catch you.

Tim Millard 43:55

Because I'm a part of the Producers Guild and one battle after another won the award just the other night, more best picture, and I think probably. 80% of the time the Producer Field Award winner has gone on to win. I'm going to say that one might uh might be the winner, but uh they're both fantastic. Now, the 4K, let's talk about those just briefly. They are both fantastic as well, I thought.

Bill Hunt 44:23

Yeah, yeah. Really great transfers and and uh the HDR makes a difference on each one. And yeah, yeah, they're both really good disks.

Tim Millard 44:31

And our good friend Constantine Nasser did all the extras on the centers, and those are fantastic. Yeah.

Bill Hunt 44:38

Constantine's been doing great work for a long time. So it's terrific to see that stuff.

Tim Millard 44:43

In terms of non-4K releases, I'll just say from the Warner Archive that George uh has said multiple times that there is just, I think, 80 or more films being worked on for release this year. And I mean, it's fantastic, uh just in terms of the quantity that we're looking at. And that doesn't even include the animation or TV. So uh, I mean, we'll see how this all plays out, but it's it's setting up for a fantastic year here. And then I did want to ask you about these announcements. I think Vinegar Syndrome announced a while back that they secured a major licensing deal. I don't know if you know anything about that.

Bill Hunt 45:28

Yeah, yeah, I can tell you that Warner Brothers has licensed about 200 to 250 titles to the various boutiques. So that would be like Vinegar Syndrome, Aero Video, Criterion, and some to shout Shout Factory. There are a lot of great titles coming. There are a lot of great titles. We've already seen Arrow put out Caliber, which is like I have to ask you about that. We'll just take a minute.

Tim Millard 45:58

I looked at your review, and I I think it just came out. You gave that an amazing review.

Shout Studios Turbulence And Stabilization

Bill Hunt 46:04

It's gorgeous. It's gorgeous. Yeah. And that's a film that is very much obviously fantasy film. I mean, that is sort of the high water mark of fantasy films, right? For the 70s and 80s kind of kind of time frame. And it's got a beautiful cinematography, and it's, you know, with color and soft focus and filters and to give it that sort of otherworldly look. And it's also, you know, a little bit of a a gritty texture to it, right? There's a there's a certain kind of grain and and that that is in the image and should be. It shouldn't look real too super glossy. And they nailed it. Oh my god, the the the Warner MPI transfer and the and the grading and the work that Arrow did, it's just like, uh, it's it's it's exactly what it should be and exactly what you want it to be. And I everybody I know who's seen it just is like, wow.

Tim Millard 46:49

Like I see you gave it A's across the board. You and Tim uh gave it A's across the board. Yeah, yeah. I sidetracked us from the the overall discussion of all of these. But when you see that and you you know that there's more coming, yeah, it's a great sign to see them coming from Arrow with such great extras and great transfer and everything.

Bill Hunt 47:11

This licensing deal, these licensing deals, I should say, because there are multiple deals, are enough to keep some of these boutique labels busy for two, three years. And in terms of the kinds of titles that they include, odds are if there's a film that you love from the Warner Brothers sort of new line, kind of that that that library, um, I would say odds are good that most of the films that you're looking for are probably on the docket at some point here in the next few years.

Tim Millard 47:39

Well, you you just do the simple math of what George at uh the Warner Archive has said is is coming out or is being worked on. And then what you just said. I mean, there's gonna be a wealth of uh of films that people can look for their faves to purchase. And I think the the vinegar syndrome ones will be more focused on made-for-TV, horror thrillers, and cult classics, I think is what their press release said.

Bill Hunt 48:04

Yeah, yeah. Their stuff tends to be a little more esoteric, but it's like, wow. I mean, just the idea that even those films are are getting like 4K attention, you know, and it and it's just uh it's amazing. It's amazing. And again, all of these films, you you know, if you if you unless you were in the theater on opening weekend when these films came out, you probably haven't seen the way they're really supposed to look and the way they really do look, right? Yeah. So in some ways, it is a great time just for the sheer volume of 4K catalog releases that are forthcoming.

Tim Millard 48:36

Let's uh talk about the Criterion one. One of them that you just recently did a review on, I think Tim did here on that 1935 Errol Flynn classic, Captain Blood. Um, which a lot of people waited a long time for that one. Yeah, a long time. Yeah. So there's a lot of good uh Criterion uh and Warner Brothers titles being released there.

Bill Hunt 49:02

And if you're gonna take their time with their releases, they do, you know, they will get the rights and they will, it'll take it might take a while to see the disc.

How To Buy Smart In A Bottleneck

Tim Millard 49:11

But Bill, Bill, they have it's gonna take a little longer because you know maybe Netflix wants them to release uh K-pop Demon Hunters or Frankenstein, and they have to put that on the schedule. But I I thought that was interesting. I thought that was interesting that uh, well, number one, Frankenstein deserves to be released on physical media. Good for sure, Lord. Um, and and you know, it that was a fantastic film. That's one where you're like, I mean, I know Netflix did a uh uh what two one or two-week window around the country, but I think here in LA it was like a three-week window. It was a little bit longer here in terms of giving people a chance to see it in theaters because of the uh Del Toro and and just the cast and everything that are behind that one. So yeah, so there should be a lot of good stuff coming from Criterion. I think that covers a lot of the Warner Brothers that we know about anyway. Yeah. I would just mention a couple of uh animation titles for fans of the extras here, obviously coming up in just a couple weeks. We do have the Looney Tunes Collector's Vault Volume 2. It kind of fell off the radar a little bit because we talked about it so far back. Yeah, yeah. But I mean, I am very excited about that. And then another one that I I posted about back in November, but I don't know if I mentioned it on the podcast. And that is the HBO Max Originals uh Looney Tunes cartoons, and that complete series will come out on DVD in May. I know, DVD, but still it will be an instance where cartoons that were put out on a streamer now end up on physical media. So that's always a good thing.

Bill Hunt 50:53

Yeah, and the thing of it is you never know, right? Because if if they sell well on DVD, someone may go, Oh, wow, we this is this actually did better than we thought. Maybe we should do a Blu-ray, right? I mean, that's just how this works, especially now.

Tim Millard 51:06

You mentioned it a little bit earlier, but uh uh what about Shout Studios? Do you know anything that they were doing?

Bill Hunt 51:14

I can't talk too speci really specifically about specific titles. They have they have they definitely have some things in the works. But obviously they went through kind of a rough period of transition. They have kind of gone through a period of transition. I think in was it January of 2023, Oak Tree Capital purchased purchased Shout Factory and rebranded them Shout Studios, right? And then just last year, July 2025, they purchased FilmRise and then they kind of merged FilmRise and Shout into this new company, Radial Entertainment. And unfortunately, as part of that, a lot of people from Shout sort of were downsized, were let go. And the Shout website that fans really, really love, that direct-to-consumer website they had where you could see what was coming, and if you pre-ordered a disc from them, you got additional swag and things like that. That kind of went away, and sadly, and I think that was a huge mistake. And now you can basically it's the Groove website, I think, which I think is studio distribution services uh website, basically. So now you can you can sort of see what's coming there, but it's it's just a shame because that Shout Factory website was great for for the fans, for the for the consumers. But uh, especially if you were direct. And Shout had worked really, really hard over the years to cultivate a loyal, dedicated audience of of collectors. So there was a lot of turmoil there. And for a while, what I was hearing was pretty dire from in from inside. Like it sort of felt like the film rise people were kind of taking over, and a lot of the Shout people were sort of being ousted. Recently, however, I've sort of learned that that's kind of that situation's kind of stabilized. And while Shout doesn't have the kind of output this year planned for this year that they had for say like a couple years ago, there's still some some definitely some very, very good titles coming from Shout Studios to 4K and obviously Blu-ray and clearly G Kids, they've got their partnership with G Kids and there's some good stuff there. Um so yeah, it it it feels like things have stabilized a little bit, and I and I hope toward the you know throughout the year we're gonna see more good Shout 4K and Blu-ray stuff start to kind of rise to the surface again. Um once things uh now that things have settled down.

Tim Millard 53:20

That's good news. I mean, oh overall. Definitely for the you know, physical media fan, we want all of these boutique agencies to survive because they're the ones that, as you said, they curate with us in mind. And not just not just the the more casual, I'll pick something up if it's uh a really, really well-known type.

Bill Hunt 53:41

Yeah, it's it's sort of like criterion or whatever. Or I mean now, even AR, there are a lot of brands now that are basically people know, collectors know that if if if this comes out from a certain label, you know it's going to be quality. So some people will even just blind buy stuff, knowing that that's the case, right? So and look, I mean, and and and uh obviously all of these companies are working with limited resources and nothing's perfect, right? There's always, you know, an odd little weird thing that happens here or there, or you know, it might be an error on a disk kind of a thing. But but one thing is, and I know you know this is true too, Tim, the people that are working on this stuff within the industry really do, you know, th yes, there are studio executives who sort of are just doing the best they can and don't really know, and maybe you've come from another industry or whatever, but the sort of rank and file people that are really working on these discs really they care. They really do care. They're passionate and they and they're live working with limited resources sometimes, but they really do care.

Tim Millard 54:34

So yeah. Well, I I guess we'll probably expect more delays on street date because there's so much product coming.

Speaker 2 54:44

Yeah.

Tim Millard 54:44

That bottleneck is still gonna be an issue, but it is good so everybody can just have some patience when you see something and it has a a a pre-order with the street date. You know, if you want to get it, get it, get that pre-order in there. But know that if it just if it shifts by a week or two, that's just the way the industry is right now. We all need to kind of just go with it across all the studios and boutiques.

Bill Hunt 55:07

Yeah. And I think if you can, if you can buy direct, if the if these boutiques with these labels have a direct-to-consumer site, buy direct, buy direct, right? You can because you can hopefully have a better odds of making sure you get a copy. You know, and then there's also you know, retailers like Diabolic DVD and Orbit and some, you know, that they do a good do a really good job of trying to meet their customers' needs. You know, and then you've got the larger places like Amazon and Walmart that are kind of hit or miss. And I know people have trouble with Amazon sometimes pre-ordering, and then pre-orders just don't show up for weeks and things like that. But the point is, is when you see a title that you love, I think it's really, you know, don't wait, man. Don't wait. Because you just don't know if you're ever going to get a chance. These these 4K releases some might be the last physical media versions of some of these films we get, right? I think if it's something you love, man, don't wait. Because again, the more people are buying these things and sending that signal to the industry that we want these discs. We want these great movies and animated series and TV series, we want them on physical media, the longer this is gonna last for all of us.

Tim Millard 56:11

Yeah, yeah, for sure. Hey Bill, it's great. Thanks for sharing your your uh opinions about uh the whole Paramount Warner Brothers thing. And then, of course, the specifics about these titles coming from uh Warner Brothers and some of the boutique studios who are releasing Warner Brothers product. Uh appreciate that. I I know I learned a lot, and I hope uh the listeners did as well.

Bill Hunt 56:32

It's always a pleasure, Tim, man. It's it's good uh it's good to talk with you, my friend.

Closing Thoughts And Resources

Tim Millard 56:38

Well, Bill is a terrific guy and he knows so much about physical media. He is a great resource, so I'll have all of his links there in the podcast show notes for those of you who want to know more about his website or speed to the team. If you aren't yet subscribed or following the show, appreciate it if you do that. That helps out and allows us to get you the content right away. Until next time, today, slightly up to test, about it to community.