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We catch up with animation historian and producer Arnold Leibovit on his newly restored, re-edited Blu-ray release of The Puppetoon Movie, built from a 4K scan of the original 35mm negative. We also dig into the legacy of George Pal, the new documentary and other extras, and a live theater event that brings classic sci-fi and Puppetoons back to the big screen.
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Before he made Destination Moon. Before he made War of the Worlds. Before he made the Time Machine. George Pell made Puppeton. Join your hosts Gumby, Hokie, and Arnie the Dinosaur as they explore the puppet animation masterpieces of George Pell. Enter the magical world of Pell and his rarely seen Academy Award-winning puppetun. All right. Let's swing it. A one, a two, a three, a four.
Tim MillardHi, Tim Millard here. Today we're catching up with animation historian and producer Arnold Leibovit, who has been on the podcast several times to discuss his ongoing work with George Powell's Puppet Tunes. Arnie, it's good to see you again.
Arnold LeibovitIt's great to see you, Tim. How have you been?
Tim MillardGood. And I see you have all of your uh great props in the background. I love that uh all the fun stuff. Well, let's dive right in because every time I talk to you on the podcast, there's something fun that you're doing. Uh I'm always amazed at how you're just so active in the Puppetoon world. But you have a brand new Blu-ray coming out with the restoration of the Puppettoon movie, and I wanted to know more about that. So tell us about it.
Arnold LeibovitWell, I made the film in 1987 uh with the help of Mrs. George Powell. Uh we compiled uh many of the most well-known at the time puppet tunes that had been uh available, several of the Academy Award-winning puppetons, Tulip Show Grow, John Henry and the Inky Pooh, Tubby the Tuba, uh which is beloved, and a whole lot of European puppet tunes. And uh that's that's what I've decided to restore. And it's it's very different than what's been released before. Because people are thinking it's the same thing we did like from before, and it's not. Every pro every one I do is a new release. The whole point is it's new, it's something you haven't seen. It's a whole new package, it's a whole new release, it has all new extras, everything. But it's also restored. Right. Far better than anything had been done before because I restored it from the 35mm negative, which I had never done before. Uh, we only use the inner positive in the past because I was a little wary of taking my negative, sending it over to for a facility, and having them transfer the negative, because if anything happened to the negative, you know, I'd be gone. And I was always so nervous about that, and so I never did it. So I I took the chance. I said, so I took the negative for the very first time. I sent it to a laser graphics scanning lady who did it for me, which is the best scanner in the world. It was like a $150,000 scanner, and she uh she did a fantastic job, and it looks amazing with the new restorations. It's beautiful. Uh you know, you you get the clarity, and you'll see that in the film. It's um it's like a whole new movie.
Director’s Cut Changes And New Audio
Tim MillardYeah, I mean, I've seen the trailer and it looks fantastic. Do I have it correct here? It's a 4K scan from that original 35mm negative. I mean, that's exactly what we talk about in terms of the studio scans. So, from what I can see of the footage you've shared, looks fantastic. Now, did you make any changes to the length of this original film, or is it primarily a restoration?
Gumby’s Feature Debut And Big Names
A New Documentary And Rare Extras
Arnold LeibovitOh no, I did. I re-edited the film. It's a it's a director's cut. Okay. For instance, I added Wilbur the Lion as an example, which wasn't in the original. I wanted to add it, so I did it, have a new restoration of Wilbur, and that's in the film. And then I redid all the transitions in the film. All the opticals and transitions have been redone and upgraded, so they're all new, looks better, cleaner, and in addition to that, all the original titles of the puppetons, the ones that I removed from the other one, the beginning credits, the end credits of the key puppet tunes have all been reinstated for this release. And that's going to have been a big issue people have talked about for years. So that's been done. Plus, the fact it's a new stereo mix, it's a new 5.1 surround, it was all done, redone again. It's literally like a whole new movie. I mean, it's practically a whole new movie starting all over again. Plus, the new introductory piece, which was with Gumby and Pokey. We shot, you know, an epilogue and prologue sequence, which was a very elaborate thing that we decided to do as a decision I made. I didn't want to just string together a bunch of shorts. I decided to come up with a whole movie introduction with original animation, stop-motion animation. And it's the first time Gumby ever appeared in a feature-length film. It's the very first time it was ever used in a feature-length film. Gumby and Pokey, Art Cloaky, helped me do that. Uh, Dallas McKinnon, the original voice of Gumby, is the voice of Gumby. Peter Kleino, who was the original animator of Gumby, did the animation. Gene Warren Jr. with Fantasy II. They did Terminator, Gremlins, all these big-scale movies. Their company helped me with the animation. Buddy Baker was hired, the Walt Disney composer, a famous composer that did, you know, The Haunted Mansion and Epcot in Disneyland, The Wonderful World of Disney. He was the composer for the film. So I have one of the literally Disney legends doing the music for the film. And of course, voice-wise, Paul Freeze is the voice of Arnie the Dinosaur, the Pillsbury Doughboy, and all the characters in the film. And everyone in your audience must certainly know who Paul Freeze is, the greatest voice actor that's legend that's ever lived. And so the film is amazing in that sense. It's a wonderful, legendary, historical thing. I decided it's about time to talk about how it all happened. So on the disc, I decided to make an extra, which is what the disc is. It's got all these extras I added. And one of them is a new documentary.
Tim MillardIt's called Tell us about this uh 50-minute documentary extra.
Arnold LeibovitYep, it's a whole new movie I made. It's called The Puppeton Movie A Legacy Revisited. And it stars Joe Dante, uh Phil Tippett, Dennis Muren, Peter Lord with Wallace and Gromit, uh Jerry Beck's in it. He's he does some uh an introduction in there. Uh you have uh Mick Garris, who is a producer, a director, just a whole host of people commenting. Floyd Norman is in it, the Disney animator, and and Bob Kurtz also with Kurtz and Friends. He's in it too. It's this wonderful collection of people commenting on the history, the tribute to George Powell, the making of the puppetune, how we did it, the people that worked on the film, and it kind of is something that should have been done years ago. So literally it's like a it's a whole separate movie.
Tim MillardThat's broadcast length basically of a documentary. And why did you feel that it needed that? You know, that you could do that.
Arnold LeibovitIs it because so much time has passed or mean why I didn't do it before or why I did it now?
Tim MillardNo, why you did it now.
Arnold LeibovitI did it because I f I was I had nothing else to do, right?
Tim MillardSo uh I just I I doubt that because uh I've seen how much output you do. I I'm assuming it's because you wanted to get this all down.
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Arnold LeibovitI wanted to get it all down. I felt it was something I should have done a long time ago. The problem is a lot of the people that worked on the film have passed away. Exactly. Yeah, and that was a big concern. I wanted to give them their credit, the credit due to those people, the tremendous contributions they made to the project. I had people that knew them talking about them. Um you're talking about the lineage of George Powell linked to the past, the son who worked on the sequence, his father did the original Time Machine, he got the Academy Award with George Powell. So there's that linkage and and uh Pete's connection to Gumby and Pokey, and then uh you have the whole history of the animation business that are kind of tied into this sequence. Yeah. Uh the Kyoto brothers, Puppets, Dave Allen, who the animator who did primeval's. Uh you have all these people that worked on it, contributed to it. It's really a wonderful uh tribute, in a way. And that I decided that's why it needed to happen. I needed to kind of explain it. And you'll and you'll see I'm I'm doing screenings of it. And and for people that buy the disc, they'll get to see that. There's also an extra with Peter Lord from London. He did a whole thing on George Powell and how George Powell influenced him in the making of his films and how he got started. And then there's a whole series of extras I did of films that have never been seen before of George Powell's movies uh from European uh archives that I managed to get, restored them. It's a whole new uh product, is what I'm getting at. It's not like just a retread.
Tim MillardWell, this is much more than I had originally when you had told me about it, because I was thinking it was more just oh, oh, hey, this is a Blu-ray version with a little bit of a uh remaster thrown in there, that's terrific, and some and some extras. No, this is really a whole new movie. And then, of course, going back to that original scan, that's gonna make such a big difference. But you've added so much more to it, and that's amazing. And then one thing we haven't even mentioned yet is this booklet. Tell us about this booklet that also is a part of the Blu-ray release.
The Booklet And Archive Photos
Arnold LeibovitOh, with every one of these releases, I I like to do a booklet because I want to give the historical context. But it gives me the opportunity to also show some of these rare technocolor photographs of the puppet tunes that don't get a chance to be seen. So I pulled out of the archive a number of the original Technicolor photographic material that was actually shot on set that I have, and I put some of that into the booklet. So, in a way, you're getting like a piece of a book, in a way, of what could happen if we ever did a book. And then it's 28 pages. Plus, the fact uh my graphic designer is Jim Titus, who is really literally, in my opinion, the greatest graphic designer in the whole country. He does uh stuff for Spielberg and Lucas. He's done Superman for You for Warner Brothers. He's does so many uh of the movies and soundtracks, and he has just a wonderful sense of uh style and uh design, and you'll see it in the poster that we've created, all those graphics he did. It's so perfect.
Tim MillardOh yeah, no, it's beautiful. Yeah, it's beautiful. Now I want to go back for one second, Arnie, and just for those folks who are watching this or listening to this who don't really understand your relationship to the Puppet Tunes, just give me like a one-minute rundown on why you created the Puppeton movie in the beginning and your relationship to George Powell.
How The Puppetoon Movie Began
Arnold LeibovitWell, it started with meeting George Powell. I mean, I was friends with him for a good year, year and a half before he died. And that made a great impact on me. I was working on a project. I talk about this in the booklet a little bit, and I do discuss it, and uh sent a project to him, basically, that I was interested in for him to work. I wanted to be involved, and he he was interested in trying to. This back in the back in the 80s? Uh yeah, it was around 1978, 79. Oh, 78, okay. Actually, the way the story goes is I was a friend of Dan O'Bannon, who uh wrote Alien with uh Ron Schusset, and uh he also made a film called Darkstar with John Carpenter, and he was a good friend of mine, and he uh he kind of took me under his wing. He really loved my project, and he said, you know, you should take it to George Powell. And I was thinking, George Powell, is he still around? You know, I wasn't sure if you know I I had followed him as a kid because Time Machine was my life-changing film for me, and I was like, oh my god. So I got to meet him, I got to go to the house and we got friendly and we talked, and that's how it all started with George. And he was a wonderful man, and uh it was an honor to have really a privilege just to been able to be with the man. He was such a sweet, warm, self-effacing. You never know he was a genius, really. He was just such a wonderful guy.
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Arnold LeibovitAnyway, he passed away uh about a year, year and a half after that, and I stayed in touch with Mrs. Powell, and I told Mrs. Powell we need to do a tribute to George, and uh that led to my making a documentary on his life, you know, like three, four years later. Yep. And it was called The Fantasy Film Worlds of George Powell, which was a very big tribute we showed at the Motion Picture Academy. All the people involved in George's career were there, all the stars that made the film, Rod Taylor, Jalton Heston, Janet Lee, Tony Curtis, you name it. Everyone had worked with George was there. It was a wonderful evening. And uh that kind of kicked things off for me. And the way it happened on the Puppeton movie itself, I was uh basically in George's office at his home. And um I saw a bunch of films in the closet, you know, they were like on the floor. And I asked Mrs. Perell, uh, I said, uh, what are those? She said, well, there were films that George used to show to audiences when he used to go around to conventions. So it was like a he demon like a demonstration reels. I said, Why don't we look at them? So she just happened to have a Bellen Howell projector, an old Bell and Howell projector, which is the way people used to watch movies at that time. And I was one of those film geek kind of guys. I knew how to use a projector. And so I hooked, I we took the projector, put it in the living room, we set up a screen, they had a he had a screen, we set up a screen in the living room, and we and the first reel that I put on the projector was Tubby the Tuba. It was in 16 millimeter. It was a technicolor 16 millimeter print of Tubby the Tuba. I'd only seen it on television in black and white. I'd never seen it in color before, and I was just blown away. I couldn't believe how beautiful it looked and how what a beautiful, sweet, animated story it was. And I said to Joka, I said, we gotta do something about this. We've got to preserve these things so people can see them. And that was the beginning of making the Puppeton movie. That's fantastic. Yeah. I love that story. And that led to this unbelievable 40-year, you know, Odyssey that I've been restoring puppetons, bringing the works to the world audiences, uh, showing his features, his movies, and doing the restorations. And it's been a life, you know, a miracle, really a life miracle for me. Yeah. Yeah. You know? The passion. It was love, definitely a passion for sure. Yeah you know. I eventually remade the time machine uh with Steven Spielberg, but he was such a tremendous fan of George Powell. I mean, George was like the magic two words that opened the doors for me. You know, really. But that's the way it's been ever since. But along the way, I met a lot of other people in the industry. I became friends with Robert Wise, which is what this screening coming up we can talk about.
Tim MillardI was like, Yeah, we'll talk about that in just a second.
Arnold LeibovitUm I was friends with Gene Roddenberry, who did Star Trek. But all these people were influenced by George. He was sort of the mentor to all of these key people in Hollywood in the 1950s and 60s. He was Mr. Sci-Fi, really, before there was sci-fi. He was Mr. Animation before there was you know stop motion animation. He basically sort of invented so much of what we be able to see today that's been made ever since. Uh all the special effects, CGI animation, all these things we see today, the Disney Studios. George was a friend of Walt Disney's. Right. That relationship influenced the animators at the Disney Studios. I I knew all the nine old men at the time, and you know, they had an influence in by seeing the puppetons in the making of Snow White and Pinocchio, and eventually led to Disneyland and audio animatronics. I mean, after all, it's a small world, is a puppeton.
Tim MillardExactly.
Arnold LeibovitAnd so there's this linkage there that's just so enormous from my perspective on how the industry worked and how it all happened. And I'm not just being this isn't just hyperbole. This is actual input that I received from dozens and dozens and dozens of people. And you see that in some of these documentaries that I did. People talk about this.
Theater Screenings And A Sci-Fi Night
Tim MillardWell, this Blu-ray comes out uh I think sometime in late April this year. You're taking pre-orders. I'll be sure to put the link in to the uh show notes here so that people can uh put in their pre-orders with you so that they can get that as soon as it comes out. I'm really looking forward to it. So it should be fantastic. I I I love it. And I'm glad that we had a chance to talk about it. Now let's shift gears for a minute because like you did last year when we talked, you are doing some more of these screenings in theaters. So tell us about the one you have coming up.
Arnold LeibovitOh, I've done several of these fantasy uh screenings of science fiction movies. Uh we've done War of the Worlds, The Time Machine, we did Forbidden Planet with Robbie the Robot on stage. Well, I've decided to go off on my own. Now I'm doing a whole new sequence of these at the Frida Cinema in Santa Ana, which is only about 15 minutes from Disneyland. And uh we're going to show the Day the Earth Stood Still. It's the 75th anniversary of Day the Earth Stood Still, restored on a big screen. I don't think anyone's seen it on a movie screen. Even I haven't seen it on a movie screen before. So that's a big deal.
Tim MillardYeah.
Arnold LeibovitPlus the fact I was a friend with Robert Wise, the director, uh, who uh was another mentor for of mine. And so I get to talk about that, introduce the Day the Earth Stood Still, and also show two puppet tunes that I've restored. I try to show a couple of puppet tunes with every one of these showings, and there's nothing like seeing a puppeton on the big screen in Technicolor as it was originally intended to be seen. It's a whole new experience when you see a puppetune.
Tim MillardYeah. Yeah, I I went to I went to the one last year, and it really is fantastic seeing them. I l I love it. Seeing them on the big screen. You see them at home and you see how great they are, but uh the theatrical experience is fantastic.
Arnold LeibovitThe audience, it's really the audience that makes the difference because you when you watch a puppet tune with an audience, you see the audience laughing, applauding. You understand what it's all about. You know that the audience participation, the experiential effect of being in a movie theater, watching these movies, is what it was intended for, and it makes a a hundred percent difference in how you appreciate a movie. And that's what really is so exciting. So we're showing that. We're also big news is the eight-foot Gort robot from Day the Earth Stood Still is going to appear on stage live at the theater for when we do this show. And so people will be able to take their picture with them. The fellow that's bringing it has a special framing picture thing that he's set up as well. So if you want a professional thing, he'll you'll work with him and he'll do it for you. But you'll be able to take a picture with yourself and Gord, eight foot gourt, and then at five o'clock before that show starts, we're gonna do a premiere of the documentary that I made on the Puppeton movie. See, it's called A Legacy Revisited, which has all the star people I mentioned earlier that are in it. Some of them actu actually are going to be coming to the theater. We're gonna show that at five o'clock before it. And it's a way to launch, in a way, the puppeton movie Blu-ray. It's sort of a it's a way to launch it in a way. So I'm showing that to an audience. And a theater is basically closing down just for this. I mean, they're dedicating that whole evening for this, so it should be pretty good.
Community Nostalgia And Closing Links
Tim MillardAnd what date is that again?
Arnold LeibovitApril 18th. April 18th. I thought was a good day, April 18th. Starts at five, doors open at four. And what's so nice about these screenings is the people, it's so amazing. I mean, there's a company called Monsters in Motion that's one of the biggest uh sellers of uh science fiction models and movies and music and everything, and they they're they're a supporter of this as well. They're in uh Orange County. And with them come all of these science fiction and fantasy and animation people. It's like this community of all these people that just love this the history and the nostalgia and and the things they grew up with as kids. So the great at the great aspect of it are the people, the you and me, they're the people that just love the kind of things that we love. And that's the beauty of it. It's the it's the people, I'm telling you. The people are wonderful, and that's why I really enjoy doing it. Yeah, really the people.
Tim MillardThat's a lot of fun. And then are you having any uh special guests uh that you can mention yet coming to the screening?
Arnold LeibovitWell, it's I don't know for sure, but I've invited several of them uh you know that are that were in the documentary. Bob Kurtz may come with Floyd Norman. I I can't say anymore because I don't know for sure all the people are coming up. There are a few people.
Tim MillardWell, I I recall last year you had some special guests show up and that was kind of fun as well.
Arnold LeibovitIt just doesn't happen in LA that often where you have, you know, uh Robbie the robot, for instance, talking to an audience. Right. You know. Uh and and here having Gort in front of an audience at a screening of the day the earth stood still. Yeah. It's literally the first time this has ever happened. Of all of movie history, you think that someone would have done that. And here we are. I said, why not? Let's try it. So I think that's pretty amazing, you know? It's like a first. Literally a first. Yeah, that's awesome.
Tim MillardWell, I I I know I know Jerry has been posting about this. Uh he's good friends with you. You have so many friends in the industry, both in the animation industry as well as just the film industry. You are a champion for George Powell and these puppetons. I mean, what more can be said there? And I'm always glad, you know, to let people know about the work you're doing. That is always fantastic. But I'm also happy to see these theatrical screenings because, like you said, who of us, or very few of us, have actually seen the puppetons on the big screen and or films that are celebrating their 75th anniversary, like the day the earth stood still. Most of us did not see it, you know, obviously when it first was out. It's wonderful that you're doing it.
Arnold LeibovitYou know, it's nothing's nothing, there's really nothing quite quite like it. There's an emotional connection here that's real, it's really palpable. Uh, when I did the screening for the Time Machine, for instance, we did that uh last year, the one that you went to, and then I did also at the Frida.
Tim MillardYep.
Arnold LeibovitI mean, there were people in the audience that actually uh either knew George or had worked with people that worked with George, that came to the theater, uh, people that knew Paul Frees, for instance, and I also showed my documentary, and people were literally in tears. I mean, people were hugging each other. That's a wonderful thing. So I I'm really a big believer in this uh aspect, and so uh in my later years, this has actually become a big part of my uh the joy of living for me.
Tim MillardWell, Arnie, as always, it's great to get uh uh you on the podcast, hear your enthusiasm about these great puppeton cartoons, the movies you're working on, the Blu-rays you're releasing, the live events that you have going on. It's always a joy to talk to you about these things. So thanks again for coming on the podcast.
Arnold LeibovitAnd thank you. And I appreciate what you're doing and the work you do because you've been doing a great job of profiling some of this great, great material and subject matter. And I do I appreciate you greatly for that. So thank you.
Tim MillardWe have kindred spirits and wanting to be sure that uh we can get this stuff out on physical media and that uh people know where to buy it and how to buy it and and everything like that. Uh, so it's terrific. Thanks, Arnie.
Arnold LeibovitThank you.
Tim MillardIf you'd like to learn more about the director's cut of the Puppeton movie that's coming out on Blu-ray at the end of April, I have some links here in the show notes so that you can either pre-order or just get more information about the work that Arnie does. So if you don't know the Puppet Tunes, I really, really, really encourage you to learn more and explore them. And of course, we'll have more information in the show notes about this event in Santa Anna. Right there, not too far from Disneyland, and uh the showing of the day that the earth stood still. Until next time, you've been listening to Tim Ballard, Stacey Plackly Upset about animation.