The Sacred Speaks
Join depth psychotherapist and Jungian scholar Dr. John W. Price in an ongoing exploration of the mysteries that stir beneath the surface of ordinary life. Through wide-ranging conversations with experts, artists, scholars, saints, and skeptics, this podcast uncovers the symbolic, spiritual, and psychological layers hidden in plain sight.
Rooted in the understanding that life itself initiates us, The Sacred Speaks explores how our experiences—grief, wonder, rupture, longing—are invitations to grow, transform, and show up more fully in the world. At its core, the project asks: What if consciousness is always speaking to us—through dreams, synchronicities, crises, or beauty—beckoning us into a deeper, more expansive relationship with ourselves and the mystery we live within?
The Sacred Speaks
82: Jose Leal – Psychotherapy, Religion, & Fairytales
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We begin our conversation exploring José’s background, and with the likes of Dr. Andew Samuels and Dr. Clarissa Pinkola Estés as mentors, his intellectual, professional, and spiritual orientation ranges from depth psychology and meditation to attachment and spiritually integrated psychotherapy. First up is one of José’s papers on spirituality and psychotherapy wherein he takes a critical look at “Jungian” approaches and identifies some of the dangers of both ungrounded psychotherapy and spirituality. We discuss the nature of therapy, ways psychotherapy can support and transform suffering, the nature of the relationship in therapy, meditation, development of a private spiritual process, religion and defining related terms such as spirituality and mysticism, the taxonomy of healers and therapists, the shadow side of spiritual work and healing professions, shamanism, fairytales, the archetype defined, inflation in healing work, differences between mythology and fairytales, we analyze the fairytale “Sleeping Beauty,” or “Briar Rose,” and the importance of inviting the unexplored psychological aspects of self.
Bio:
José has an M.A in Jungian and Post-Jungian Studies from the University of Essex, where Andrew Samuels was his academic supervisor, and an MSc in Systemic Psychotherapy from the Milton Erikson Institute from Monterrey. Since 2013, he has trained with Dr. Clarissa Pinkola Estés. He works as a psychotherapist in private practice and writes the column ‘The Spiritually Ambivalent Therapist’ for Thresholds, a Journal of Psychotherapy and Spirituality, from the British Association of Counseling and Psychotherapy.
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