Thriving in the Eye of the Hurricane | Joseph Nguyen: “Helping others realize their divine purpose”

In this episode with Joseph Nguyen, live on Zoom: (Airdate: May, 17th) "Helping others realize their divine purpose
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In episode #16 of “Thriving in the Eye of the Hurricane, we welcome Joseph Nguyen.
Joseph Nguyen is a spiritual thought leader who has a mission of helping others realize their divine purpose, unlock the infinite potential of their own mind, and live an abundant life free from psychological suffering. He spends most of his time writing, coaching, teaching, speaking, and sharing timeless wisdom to help people discover their own divinity from within and how they are the answer they’ve been looking for their entire lives.
With Joe’s usual style, topics could possibly range from any of the following, so get ready to discuss:
The root cause of all psychological and emotional suffering and how to end it
How to become unaffected by negative thoughts and feelings
How to experience unconditional love, peace, and joy in the present, no matter what our external circumstances look like
How to instantly create a new experience of life if you don’t like the one you’re in right now
How to break free from a negative thought loop when we inevitably get caught in one
How to let go of anxiety, self-doubt, self-sabotage, and any self-destructive habits
How to effortlessly create from a state of abundance, flow, and ease
How to develop the superpower of being okay with not knowing and uncertainty
How to access your intuition and inner wisdom that goes beyond the limitations of thinking
Joe’s bestselling book on Amazon: https://book.josephnguyen.org/launch
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Well welcome everybody to I don't know which episode is which episode is and I think it's 16th 16th episode of thriving in the eye of the hurricane podcast. So welcome to all of you. Again today on this beautiful spring day here in Minnesota, the flowers are all blooming, I've never seen so many wild birds and birds nesting outside my window, it's just been such a delightful time of the year for rebirth. And in that spirit, we have a wonderful, youthful young, budding star, I would call him in the three principals named Joseph nagging who someone I worked with briefly. And he was one of those clients that just caught on, right away. Anything I'd say, Oh my God, that's just so true. And it would just resonate with him. And he's this AOC is smiling face here. He's just so full of innocence, presence, and joy. And it's very contagious. And as a coach himself, he started seeing the power of three principles, and the simplicity of the three principles. And he got inspired to start writing his own book. And so I would consider Joseph A rising young star in the three principles community, a very fresh, powerful, innocent, humble. So in the way he writes in the way he speaks, and he just has, you're just gonna, you're in for a real treat. And so, as I was thinking of Who do I want to have on here, next, because I've had on a lot of people who were in the book initially that I interviewed for the book. But Joseph is like, gives me hope for the next generation here. You know, as you know, some of us are passing the torch on to the younger generation, us old timers, that hung out with Sidney banks in the early days. And we're been teaching a lot of people, but it's time to pass it on to the Peters and the Josias of the world. So many 1000s, hundreds of 1000s of new people are coming into the three principles. And each of them has their own unique way of presenting it. So I'm gonna say Joseph as a coach. That's what he does for a living, but he has been an entrepreneur, he has an extraordinary story of helping his mom and helping her create an incredibly successful business as just a teenager. So he's, he's just got HAL has a lot to offer the world in many ways. But in terms of his depth of understanding, the source of truth being within us. And speaking from that truth, and such a simple way. I encourage all of you to read his new book that she wrote in three months, which is amazing, called Don't believe everything you think, and it's on Amazon, and it's already exploded in sales. Nikki has a million followers on Tiktok and Facebook and all the social media. So he he's just we asked him before Well, how did you get so successful? And he said I didn't try to be successful or something like that, but I'm gonna let you you share your story Joseph and, and maybe start tell us a little bit about yourself and what inspired you to write this book and what was it like writing it? What did you learn from that experience of writing the book? Thank you first of all, for such a incredible intro. Oh my gosh, I've never heard someone talk about me for that extended amount of time. So that is a new experience. But I'm really just trying to be like you Joe. My better half so thank you for everything you've done for me and and Michael as well and all that you've shared it's it's been a just a monumental day. I just contribution to my own personal journey. And now it's just a never ending stream of, of creative expression of myself the truth, everything that I am and what I can possibly offer to the world. And so I'll start just by the inspiration for the book. And I never really thought I would write a book this soon. I think deep down, I knew, to some extent, I think all of us know what we want to do in life, the things that we want to accomplish, and more importantly, the impact that we want to have. And writing a book was one of those things. But I always saw I mean, I'm only 24. And so I always thought, oh, yeah, I'll write a book whenever I'm, quote, unquote, successful, whatever that means. And after I've built a business and had a live my life, and then I can give back to the next generation, by writing a book when I'm in my 40s 50s, when I've, quote unquote, had some downtime. And so it wasn't until I this book kind of came out of nowhere. I think that's how most miracles are, and all great works. And it was out of my own frustration, and my own suffering. So it was born out of it. Out of a lot of pain, and a lot of emotional turmoil, just because my whole life, I've been trying to find the answer to the question of why am I here? And who am I? I've always thought about those things. I don't know why I kind of been plagued with those just types of questions for my entire existence ever since I was probably like, eight to 10. I just didn't understand why I was here and why most people didn't understand why they're here also. But it just always came back. And so throughout my entire life, you could probably imagine how much anxiety that causes a little kid. Because I think it causes anyone anxiety, if you're if you're, I don't know, 3040 5060s anybody any age, yeah, 70s still still young as ever. And so that I just had so much anxiety in my life, I didn't know why I was here, what I was doing my purpose in life, I didn't know what my gifts were, I didn't know what I can contribute to the world. But I knew deep down that I really wanted to contribute something to this world. So with that, I started my own business and try to help my parents get out of a million dollars worth of debt. And that's how I started my whole entire journey. But throughout that whole entire process, even though I was making a really good living, and scaled the business up to multiple, six figures, I was still really, really empty. I was relatively successful by most people's means, but I still felt like I was just doing it as a means to an end. So just trying to get money or just trying to make a living or just trying to, quote unquote, become free. But the more ironically, the more success, quote unquote, I had, the more anxiety I had, the more negative thinking I had going on just the more problems like they the old adage of more money, more problems I was living that I was definitely just piling it on. Like the there is a direct correlation with my bank account, and the success of the business and how much anxiety I had. And I think that's very true for a lot of people who experience I would say physical success without being properly grounded in truth in themselves in an awareness that goes beyond themselves. So that's what I really went through. And I again, was plagued with the question of, I don't know why I'm here. I, quote, unquote, made it and I am more miserable now than I ever was before. And it was just a downward spiral until finally one day hit rock bottom. And I think, I think for most people, unless you're really self aware, somehow, you have to hit rock bottom before you take that leap of faith because there's nowhere else to go. And that leap of faith is into the unknown, into something that you knew you've always wanted to do. And just following your intuition, because you've run out of logical reasons to do things. And so that's what I did. And at that rock bottom, I was literally fetal position in my bed. Just didn't know what to do. I've had multiple moments like that, but this one was the worst of all. I was in $40,000 worth of debt, just a really bad business partner split. I didn't like what I was doing at all. I had a client base but I really hated doing what I was doing, which was advertising. And for some reason, everything I loved I started to hate. And in that moment of that rock bottom, I asked myself the question of What do I want to do with my life? Just why am I here? And I think this one question kind of springboarded me into something new. And it was the question of who was actually my favorite question of all time, but it was if I had infinite money. So if I had infinite money, like pretty much all the time in the world, and I had infinite resources, I had no fear and receive no recognition for what I did. What would I create? Or what would I do with my life? And I didn't understand the power of that question. When I asked it, but the first things that came up for me, were coaching, writing, and speaking, those were the three words that popped into my mind. And I think everybody has those just ruminating in the back. But we very rarely get a chance for it to surface. So that's when I heard and I just knew that I had to move into that direction. Even though I had no idea what what that looked like, I didn't have any coaching clients, I don't really know how to coach and I've been trained as a coach. I also never learned how to write a book or did anything in that regard. And I really hated language arts and writing growing up, absolutely hated it. And so it seemed like the most unlikely thing to do. But I just went with it anyway. Because there's no other option for me, I just didn't know what else to do. And I was just going to, like, might as well go down this path. And so that's, that's really what I did. But that question was so amazing, because it removed all essentially, my ego died. Like, at that moment, I think there's lots of periods of times where that happens. But in that moment, that question caused me to let go of that old version of myself, and to really explore the possibilities that were here. So that question, removed the excuse of money, that question remove the excuse of resources or time, it removed the excuse of fear. And it removed the excuse of recognition. Because a lot of times, I think we will myself included, I always did things so that other people could see so that I could feel good about myself for a very short time, and then it kind of spirals out of nowhere. So that that completely removes all of the things that the ego latches on to or the thinking minds latches on to, to try to control things. And so with that, that's really what happened, it removed all logical reasoning, I would say it in the mind, and that it burst, the, I would say, made room for intuition to come through for truth to be made self evident in that moment, and then I just followed it. And pretty much ever since then, I've just followed that still small voice instead of the really loud, obnoxious, thinking mind that it seems to have a stranglehold on the mind. So I would always then go and consult my intuition instead of what do I think I should do in this moment? Because honestly, when we're following our intuition, or truth, or the universe, Infinite Intelligence, there is no logic in that just like love, there is no logical reason that we quote unquote, love someone else, love ourselves, love our family, significant other spouse. There is no logical reason there. And so I just realized that connection, and I was like, Okay, let me just follow love at all times. And I just really wanted to live my life based off of that just pure love, pure positivity. And just live a life that I really enjoy every moment instead of just constantly worrying all the time. So that was the beginning of my question to the three principals. So I think at that point, I found out about Michael Neal took his course on business, or executive coaching, is introduced into the three principles, then really wanted a coach. And so that's how I found Joe. And then that's when I really got into the three principles. And that completely just changed my life because I've been searching for the answers to this whole problem my entire life. And I remember I remember very distinctly that, at some point, I wanted to find out the universal truths. Just in the entire world there. I felt like there were principles that were true everywhere, universal truths. And I don't know why I thought that that was really weird to think. And I'm like, there's gotta be something greater than the mind greater than religions greater than all the things that we have created. Just with our thinking mind, and I feel like there has to be some sort of underlying thing that unites all things that are that it's the whole entire world is guided by. And lo and behold, the three principles just plopped into my life out of nowhere. And I've never looked back since. And I just still can't believe to this day that there is something out there like that, that explains just how everything works and why it works in that way. And it might not be the answer that we're that the thinking mind wants, but it is the truth. And then we don't really have to question it or not question it, but we don't really have to justify it. And I always say that the truth needs no justification, it just is. And we can experience it for ourselves, there's, we don't have to convince anybody, we don't really have to try to persuade in any way. And that's kind of the beauty of this. And I really love it. And it's just so empowering, to be able to know this. And it's not like it was some new revolutionary idea. It's been here pretty much forever, for the existence of time, and everything here. And so I think that's just so beautiful, that it's been tried tested true, you can see it in everything. That's how you know the truth. It's one very simple like Citibank says, but to It's in everything, and you can see it everywhere. So that's, honestly how I've been able to find so much peace, through the three principles, and just realizing that thinking is really the root cause of all suffering. And if I let go of thinking, and just allow pure thought to come through, there's a big distinction between thought and thinking, just allowing thought, the language of, you know, the universe really to speak through me at any moment in time. And people call that many different things. Infinite Intelligence, quantum field, intuition. But all those are the same thing is there's still small voice in the back of our minds that always knows what to do. And when we follow it, we feel light, energized, full of peace, love, joy. And when we start thinking about the thoughts, then that's when we start suffering, and going into a vicious cycle of negative thinking. And that's what breeds all of the negative emotions that we do not enjoy as humans. But that is that is a short synopsis of the journey of writing the book is so beautiful, Joseph, thank you so much. What you just said is just get me on the edge of my seat, honestly. And that's the interesting thing about hearing truth come through a new voice or another human being. In its purest form it, it always seems new. It always seems fresh, it always seems like, wow, that is so true. And the next thing is, why didn't I think of that? But what you're saying Joseph is, and what you discovered is that it is in everyone, and it's always there. I love the subtitle of your book. Would you talk a little bit about that subtitle? Because I think that the title is Don't believe everything you think. But the subtitle says so much. And I wish you could just talk about that for a second. Yeah, the subtitle that was a really interesting one. It's why it's why thinking is the beginning and end of suffering. And I was trying to figure out a way to encapsulate this, this issue with thinking. And when I heard that was, again, that was a divine download, there is no way I could have thought of that myself, because that was pure ingenuity. But what that means to me is that because thinking is the root cause of all of our suffering, right? That is why it is the beginning of our suffering, but also the end when we choose to not have to listen to the thinking mind. And that's why it's the end. So as soon as we realize that, we understand the genesis of the suffering, but also the I would say omega like the end of it. And that's it, it closes the loop. And it allows us to be able to just see it as it is and not really have to believe it. So once I saw that for myself And realize that oh, oh my Wait, I really don't have to believe everything that I think what goes on in my head it, it isn't all truth. That was when there was a chink in the armor, I would say of, of that thinking mind the ego. And that was the entryway to truth, which is a really interesting metaphor, because you really do have to go through it in order to overcome it. Like the only way through it the only way to get Yeah, it's the only way to get past hell is through it. That's exactly it. So just going right in there and understanding that, you know, it's not like repressing thinking at all, it's, it's realizing it, and seeing that, Oh, it's okay. It's there, and we can welcome it with open arms. And we don't have to believe it. But we can certainly acknowledge it, and allow it to be there and it will pass. So that was why I created that that subtitle, because it's so true. And it is extremely empowering to, to come to that realization that that we really all know deep down inside. But I just as a therapist, coach, trainer, writer, teacher, to learn, to be able to learn from one of your youngest students is really quite an experience. I just love this, that. And that's, of course, that's what my, my dream, my inspiration, my wish was to be able to train the next generation of people in the past this torch to pass this on to others, because it's it will live forever, through the passing on of our own insights, our own understanding. And that's what you've done with this book. That one of the things that hit me the most I couldn't put this book that it's not that long, it's pretty short, but it's very short, tight. And one of the things that struck me the deepest, I think was that it's in the state of no thought. In the moment when we recognize that were thinking and don't believe everything you're thinking, it kind of it's like a, an etch in Sketch, you shake the box, and it's blank again. And in that state of no thought is where everything is created from. But it's created from not the intellect or the ego, your habits, but it's being created from New Thought, divine thought, original thought, whatever moniker you want to put on that it's in the state of no thought that we know everything that we need to know. And you talk about that in such a practical way, throughout the book of how it prevents worry how it prevents stress, and striving in your businesses or you know, in in relationships with your health. And it's in those moments where you're not thinking that you get your, your connection to universal thought. One thought, divine thought. And as a student of SIDS, he would often you give these conferences and you think it's going to be an all day conference, he talk for an hour or two and say, Well, why don't you guys just go, I think we've had enough Why don't you just go to the beach for the rest of the day or have a nice time. Or like, wait a minute, we paid money for this, you know, we want to get our money's worth out of this. And it said knew when you were full. And you'd get into overthinking it. And it was time to just you couldn't think we're on set anyway, your brain just shrivel into a little puddle of nothingness. And you're gonna level up and so you couldn't really do anything anyway. But it was in that time of not thinking that dreams are born, visions are born. A new life is born. And you talk you talk about it in your book. It's such a fresh, truthful, humble, no nonsense ordinary way that really reaches people. There's no no lingo in this book. So I highly encourage people to get everybody else's before they sell out quick. Yeah, and that was one that was actually later on in the book and I didn't think about putting it into there until it was literally in the middle of writing and I realized that there's something missing once we Stop thinking that what? Like, what happens it like, what am I just gonna let go of all my thinking and just be a couch potato. And that was one of my greatest worries when I first got introduced to this concept into spirituality and especially the three principles I read The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle and one of my greatest worries was, okay, if I let go of everything, am I just going to just just be like, couch potato, just nothing like, I don't know what I'm going to do with myself. But it's actually the opposite just evaporate? Yeah, yeah. And it was amazing to see what happens out of it. And there's so many different concepts that explain this, for example, in art, or something or music. They always say, boredom breeds creativity. If you put a child alone, with one or two things around them in a blank room, they're going to be bored, but they're going to come up with games, that they can play with themselves, or do something with the materials that they have at hand. And I think that's the most beautiful thing on earth. And that really does come from emptying the mind. So that something new can come in. And I think I have one of the my favorite ways to explain it is that everything comes from nothing. In order for there to be new creation, there must first be space. And that's exactly the same thing with our minds. For there to be new thoughts, we must first create space in our minds by emptying. And just like how we can't fill up a cup that's already full, we have to first empty it in order for something new to come in. Same thing is there's so many biblical references to this, I'm not religious by any means. But many times you always hear something like you can't pour new wine into old wineskins. Otherwise, it'll break. There's just countless stories of similar experiences of of this truth being expressed in so many different ways. But that's really it. And so once there's, it's literally starting with a blank canvas, like you can't paint on something that's already there's a painting there, that would defeat the whole purpose of it. So we have to start new, and start from scratch. And that's kind of how I live each day now. And just not having to worry about the past or the future, because that's, quote, unquote, keeping a lot of that thinking going on. And it's just not necessary. And that will only perpetuate the same thoughts, I think, I think there's a stat or something where we have Is it over 50 or 60% of the same thoughts that we had yesterday? There's a really cool study on it. But if that's the case, that's really concerning, because I really don't want to live the same life over and over again, if I'm going to continue to suffer, and so then I'm just like, Okay, what if I just let go of all that, all that negative thinking and start new every single day, and see what happens? And it's such a beautiful thing. And throughout writing my book, I felt that same way. It's very scary, actually. Right? Because like, we can talk about it conceptually and be like, yeah, like empty my mind. That's perfect. And then when we go to do it, oh, my God, it's a whole different story. Right? Like, it's not as simple as Oh, yeah, let me just empty my mind even though it can be. But then these thoughts come in and say, Okay, well, then who am I am not what I think, or what's going to happen if I stopped thinking entirely like, how do I do anything? How do I function in the world? And my book literally goes in that order. It's like, what the heck do I do? And what's so amazing is that this is why the three principles is so amazing is because it gives us these principles that we can fall back on when we do like go thinking. And one of those principles is infinite intelligence. And just like universal thought, so when we give up our own personal thinking, we fall back into this universal thought. That's intuition. That is the quantum field that is all possibilities in the universe. So that's what happens when we let go of our thinking. And that's how divine downloads happen. That's how you get this hit of inspiration out of nowhere, saying you should quit your job, or you should write this book, or you should, something as simple as you should go take a walk right now. And all of a sudden, when you go take that walk, you bump into an old friend they haven't seen in a while and boom, like you have another rekindled friendship or you meet a new business partner or anything like that. There's so many moments that we have in our lives that we look back when we just gave up thinking and just did what came to us, and miracles happened. And that happens, not by accident, but on purpose because you've let go of what you thought you knew. You let go of your old self and you allowed space for something new to come in. It's a guaranteed miracle every time when you do that there Just like it just happens every single time. The caveat is, is really scary doing that. Okay. And so there's a flip side to it, which I don't think too many people talk about. But I think it really helps to address it. And it's that when we give up our own thinking, It's so scary. Because we had to start again, we don't know what's going to happen. And as soon as we let go of our old thinking, This automatically means we are in the unknown. And as humans, that is very scary, because we like certainty, we like predictability, we like knowing what's going to happen, we like control, the thinking mind that is at least. And so when we let go of that thinking, you will be confronted with fear, you will be confronted with uncertainty, but it's okay. To the degree that you become okay with uncertainty, not knowing fear. That is the degree in which you will experience more and more miracles in your life every single day. Once you are okay, with not being okay, things just pop into your life that you would have never imagined, just like me writing this book. And me being here on this podcast, people popping up into your life, new opportunities show up out of nowhere. And it is really beautiful to see. So to those who have the courage to step into the unknown, to really be the pioneer and have their own life. And having the courage to start with a blank canvas to create whatever you want, that's the reward of it. When you have the courage to step into the unknown, the reward is literally everything. When you give up every, like when you give up all the old, then you are presented and granted the new, just infinite possibilities in that moment. So there is that price, but it's that price is completely irrelevant compared to to what could be. And it is really amazing. So that's kind of what I would say about the other side of not thinking, well, I could listen to you all day are amazing. You know, when you were talking I was what came to my mind when I you know I'm at a different stage in my career than you are I'm kind of the tail end of where I'm where I've been a long journey here. And I so I've been reflecting back from time to time about how all the things the miracles that have happened in my life, the coincidences, the opportunities that seem to come out of nowhere, it was almost always at one of those dark moments where I didn't really know now what now what do I do you know, or I was kind of in this not knowing in a way almost feeling a little scared or uncertain of the future. But knowing the principles allowed me to be kind of quiet and that and trust that hey, every time this happens, it really works out great. That's when that opportunity for this thing or that thing that it looking back on those were gifts that seemed to fall out of the sky out of nowhere. And so I thought my if I write another book if I do a memoir, it would be called journey on the magic carpet ride because it's it's in the subtitle would be happy go lucky that when I'm when I'm not insecure about the future, when I'm not concerned about how I'm doing when I'm just happy when I'm content in this moment is when the miracles seem to happen. So I that's what I was just resonating with what you said but I'd like to open it up to the rest of the group here because others here may want to make a comment or ask a question of Joseph. So if you want to just go down to the bottom there were as reactions and click on that you can raise your hand, click on the raise hand and we'll call on you anyone Bueller, Bueller? Well, I would love to speak. I, Joseph My goodness, what a privilege it is to be with you today. This is just incredible. So fresh and light and hearing and peaceful? How are your parents handling all this? That is a very funny question. I love that, um, thank you so much, Lynn for sharing that. My parents it is quite the journey with them. And it still is, if I'm going to be completely honest, because they are probably one of the most devout Catholics I have ever seen. And there are pros and cons to being very, very religious. And I've seen both sides of it. Not nothing is right or wrong in this case. But so I was born and raised Catholic. At some point, I actually wanted to be a Catholic priests just like Joe. And then I kind of started to question all the things that were going on. Like, why is it that we only go to church for one hour a week? And don't do anything else for the rest of the week? Or how come no one seems to enjoy church? Or there's just like so many things that were really odd. And it was like, Why? Why do I feel like I was born into this world as not good enough. And I have to spend the rest of my life trying to, to prove that I am by by these works and factions. And no one seemed to have the answers. And so because of that, it kind of ventured off on my own I, you could say, left the church, I don't really know my stance with it. I think when you're born Catholic, you're baptized, you're always Catholic. But then I started to venture off on my own and start to explore the spiritual side of things. And through that, I had a lot of conflict with my parents, because they, you know, images, everything in, in our culture, and how we're presented and how they're viewed by their family and friends, is of utmost importance. So for them to be one of the most devout Catholics, my dad was going to be a deacon, and he wanted to be a priest prior. They basically were setting the example for all their kids and all all of like, our family looks up to us our family as like the portrait family, right? Like, this is what it's supposed to be like. Yeah, yeah. And so there's a lot of pressure there, understandably, on my parents. So once I left that caused a whole, really big backlash, and they were not happy, they questioned everything, they were really upset. My mom still brings it up to this day, like, Are you not going to come back and like, it got to the point where I asked my mom, mom, like, she was really having a tough time with this, and life and the debt and all of this, and my, my dad, and I asked her mom, like what's going to make you happy in this world, and she said, When my son, one gets a college degree, which I don't have, and two, when my son is Catholic again. And I just told her, Mom, I'm so sorry. But you're going to spend the rest of your life absolutely miserable. If you're going to, to put a constraint, I just warned her. And it was so difficult for me to go through because I saw how my actions led to her misery. But I knew that it was her thinking about my actions which caused her to suffer. So to hold those two conflicting thoughts. In my mind, it was incredibly difficult. And it was not easy. But I knew the truth, which was beyond me, which was beyond her, which was beyond religion, that we're all talking about the same thing, the way that she talks about God, Catholicism, the church, Jesus, it's all the same things that I'm talking about as well. It's just in a different context. It's just a different language. And so, I slowly over time, she she actually begun to see it because she saw the changes that I made in my life, and how peaceful and calm I was. And all of a sudden, she's like, son like, what are you doing? Like, like, how are you? How can I be as peaceful as you? And that's when the gates kind of opened for us to connect on a much deeper level, than putting labels on things and saying that you have to be x in order for you to be, you know, free to enter Heaven or for us to look a certain way. So, now my mom, you know, is actually really proud of me and my brother, but it was a definitely hell going through, like four or five years. years of just constant arguing back and forth suffering tears. I can't even count the number of times. Like she'd literally text me. She actually did this pretty recently to, like, I think, like two months ago where she texted me, Son, I'm in church for Lent, and I'm crying because you're not here. I'm like, That is That is crazy. And you know what, what am I supposed to say to that? But I still just said, Mom, I love you. I'm always here with you. I'm there with you in the church if you want me to, I'm literally praying for you to in my own way. Maybe not the Our Father, but I'm here with you. And I love you no matter what. And I think overall, like she'll just relapse sometimes. But when she comes back, she she sees like, This is amazing. Like, I can't believe we can like talk like this. And she's super proud of the book. There's all the success there. Now she's like, championing the book, and just handing it out to every single person she meets. Whenever she introduces me, she always just intros it with Oh, yeah, he's an author. Like that. Like, now people just know me as an author. Yeah. So like, I met her, her employees the other day, and all they call me now is like, Oh, you're the author, right. And so that's how I walk around. Now with this title, I don't enjoy that, really, I just want to be known as like a person. But I find that quite pretty comical. But she, she is much happier now and has found a lot of peace in her life. Despite, you know, a lot of difficult times, you know, relationships and, you know, family is not always good. And she sees how much her own like brothers and sisters suffer. And now she's always the person that everyone goes to for help just to try to find some peace in their lives. So and she's now I listened to her talk to her to her brothers and sisters. I'm like, Oh, Mom, that's so good. She's like dropping truth bombs, like, like, just tapped in. She's like counseling some, some of my cousins that are having depression, it's crazy. To see the person that she's evolved into, which is just more of herself. So it is quite the journey. And I think that's with everything in life, there is no, just perfect path to peace. It's going to be pretty messy, but quite enjoyable when we understand like, where to come from, and what we're grounded in. How did that answer your question? Go ahead. Sorry. When did you want to respond? You have to unmute yourself. Well, great, I just wow, what a beautiful journey. What I did hear you say that your mom was proud of your brother too. But we're struggling with Joe. So my brother. Yes, he, he also kind of went down the same path as me with leaving the church and kind of doing following our own intuition and our own inspiration, instead of following the traditional path of what everyone else was doing. Which means he didn't go to college either. I dropped out. He didn't even go. He graduated high school year early, just so that he'd never had to go again. And now he's pursuing music and creating just amazing, amazing life changing music that moves him and as a byproduct moves other people. And he literally he just hit a million streams a month, just like I think a couple days ago from starting, like one or two years ago. And nobody believed him, that he could actually do it. My parents definitely didn't, because they're like, Yeah, it's like pretty much impossible. It's one in a bajillion that you get to make it as a musician. But just the unwavering FAITH that he had that I had in him too. Obviously, we have self doubt from time to time, but it's just that overwhelming love of the craft of music of just being able to express ourselves. That's what we followed. And I'm so proud of him to for for doing that. And my parents were not happy when you did not go to college. I left the church too. But now that he's making music, that's changing lives, my parents love championing him too, and just introducing him as the musician. And now one of his songs is one of the top 50 charting in Malaysia. Random, I don't know why it's charging over there, but it's crazy. And he gets comments every single day, I think 10 to 20 comments saying, Your music is so amazing, it moves me emotionally. Like, it's helping me get through depression, it's helping me calm my anxiety. It's, it's helping me become more of myself. And really, it really inspires me to pursue the thing that I cherish most in life as well. And that's why she's proud of him as well. But again, that was not a not a pretty journey. You really have to, once you hear the truth, once you know the truth, you really have to stick by it. And it's going to ruffle feathers around you, because no one sees it yet. And you have to be that immovable pillar and hold the truth for not only yourself, but for others until they're ready to see it as well. And it could be yours. But again, our happiness is not dependent on whether they find peace or not. It's whether we have that now. And that's all that really matters. And it's impossible not to have an impact when you come from that place. Well, thanks for asking that question limit that triggered incredible lesson about the power of your example, your the power of attraction versus promotion, you know, it's like you're not trying to convince anyone, Joseph, you're just being who you are, you're being your true self, your true essence, you're living from that. And that's all of that is springing, forth, everything, all these miracles that are happening for you and your brother, and your mom, and everybody around you. Any anybody else want to make a comment? Or a question? Joy? Thank you. You are so inspiring. Joy longer. Thanks, Joy. Did you want to say something joy? Yeah, unmute yourself, Joy. I was just on my way out. And he to you know, cut out short, so I'm hoping to watch the recording again. But I learned the principles about 20 years ago, I don't know if you would remember Joe, but dick and he had a contract with the Ingham County Health Department. So I worked for extension and traveled down to Lansing once a month. But I have to say to Joseph that that was my biggest aha was I didn't have to believe everything. I thought that was so huge. And who knew that would turn into a book. So of course, I've just ordered it. I can't wait to read it. And thank you so much for for being you and that listening to what other people you know, wanted you to be. So that took amazing courage. And thanks so much. Thank you so much joy. Damian has his hand up. Unmute yourself. Hi, Joe. I listened to the whole thing. I was just doing stuff around the house, I said the video off. Um, thank you for the podcast. And I've been wrestling throughout a book and I studied some of the principles and Abraham Hicks and a lot of teachers Byron, Katie, probably five or six different teachers meeting, it's all the same. It's all it's all the same thing, meaning everybody teaches it's outside the box. You know, you have to do this by these rules, which is not true. It's like what works for you. And in intuitively, intuition is in charge. So what I got out of this is first of all, thank you for writing the book. Because I've been wrestling to write a book you know, I've been in the AACA and a 12 step programs and once you this, you're always this I don't believe that. So I have Mike the thing that you said the loudest was just got out of the way and like you don't want let me just thinking about writing a book. Let me see what happens. That's what I got out of it. You know, and so it's sort of given me valid ation of permission, like, just start writing again. You know, and the thing is that people been telling me, and I heard from you is you're not saying anything, you're just saying, Look, this is my experience. This is who I used to be. And that's not me no more. And that's me, you know, I used to be a different kind of unconscious character. And now I'm a conscious character. And just to write about that, so you gave a good reminder, you know, you know what I mean? And, yeah, like you said, the book is short, I'll check it out. And it's not about you have to write like, this is the system, this is blah, blah, blah, you know, you made it you made a reminder to me, it's just about how were you, you know, that my book is mainly, you know, being stuck on stupid and people that are stuck on stupid and are stupid, we just get stuck there sometimes. So it's a good reminder, it's a good reminder. So I appreciate that. And I just want to say thank you. Thank you so much as well. I do want to say a few notes fun actually writing the book and in the process of it, because it does illuminate so much about the creation process, which I think is one of the most beautiful processes we can go through in life. So and I think you illustrated it perfectly, Damien in terms of like, writing a book. And just there are no rules to writing a book. If you look up on Google, how to write a good book, everyone's gonna have their own agenda on what that is. And I didn't do a single one of those things that they said. And the book is just taking off. And I never taken a course on it. I didn't even read a book on how to write a book. I didn't consult anyone about hating what advice you have on writing none of that. I just, I was like, it's just a book. It's just it's just word. So let me just see what happens. So I got a I got a good question. What is two things? What is one thing? I wish I didn't follow at once. What's one thing? You know what, I'm glad I followed that. So I'm glad I did not follow anything other than my own intuition. Okay. I didn't follow any articles. I didn't follow any books. I didn't follow anything, even though my own thinking mind. Because it was saying, You need to for I'll just walk through examples of what it was saying. The thinking mind was saying things like, you have no experience, you have no credentials. You don't even have a college degree. You are super young 24, you've lived like a fraction of a life of what most people are when they write a book. You just learned about three principles two months ago, what makes you think, like, Sid, was the master. He wrote multiple books, didn't he say everything that needs to be said about three principles? I can go on for probably another hour on a lot of those things that it was saying. But something in me once I Okay, I acknowledged all that. And I was like, Okay, what's behind all of that, there was still that still small voice that said, you need to write the book. And there's some other message that needs to come out. I didn't even know what it was, in all truth. It's funny, I didn't even outline my book. Before I wrote it, is crazy. Um, that's like the power of what happens when you follow intuition. And for me, what I really glad that I did do was to let go of all just preconceived notions on what this should be everything. Like, I read other books, and I was like, Oh, it needs to have really good research behind it. I need to put a lot of examples I need to put I even saw Joe's book. And he's like, my book. I love the way that I wrote my book, because there's so many different examples of my clients in here. And the stories brings it to life. I didn't have a single story about other people in my book. Right, like which one's right or wrong? Neither. And if I followed what I thought was, quote, unquote, right, like putting more and more people's examples in the book, my book would not be the way that it is. And it would not be my own authentic expression. And this book it was supposed to be like supposed to be for in order for it to be like a New York Times bestseller it has to be like over I think like 160 pages. Mine's a whopping like, 110 120 It's super short chapters are super short. It didn't provide any research No, like no outside examples other than a few Zen parables and I didn't want it to be in that way. And I just wrote it the way that I wanted to. And all I did to write the book was each morning I woke up and asked, What wants to be expressed through me today? Not what I will not what do I want to write? Not what I should write not what not? What would help someone else going through this? No, not even that. Because other people would say you need to write this book with your your readers in mind. No, they knew that. I wrote what was true for me. And I know because it comes from that place of intuition and truth that it will help somebody as a byproduct, right? But I don't try to engineer that. That was good and allowed. And every time you every time you every time you how can I say this? Every time we talk about validating your truth, you keep laughing and smiling because you trusted your truth. Period. So perfect. I glad you said that. I needed to hear that. Because it's just my story. Like it was just my story. That's it. Why not? Yeah. So thank you again. Appreciate that. And Joe, thank you for the podcast is always good. Thank you for coming. Thanks for your questions. Yeah. Did you have a question? Another young budding author here? Or a comment? No, just absolutely. Yeah. Thanks, Joseph. Absolutely love it. Yeah, just totally blown away really? Well, you I'm in the process of writing a book about my story. Which is quite different to what you've done because mine is not around principle minds around more personal story of addiction, suicidal and stuff. But I get that feeling. I only write when it comes through me to saying med school, really resonated, can't force it to come up when it comes out when it was ready. Thanks. Thank you. I remember the first time I wrote my first book, I was 40. Much older than you, Joseph, I should have had more seniority there. And someone asked me a publisher asked me to write the book. And I said, Oh, no, no, I don't know how to write I was told not to go to college because of my poor writing. And all these thoughts came in. And he said, No, no, no, you really get some creative ideas, you need to write a book about this. This is really important. So I finally succumbed. And, and so I thought, all of a sudden, I had all these thoughts of what is a writer do, they get up at four o'clock in the morning to write before everybody else is up, they in their mind is fresh, they they have an outline, all you know, all of that came flooding in. And so I am so excited was gonna get up the next day. And I told Michael, my wife, Okay, tomorrow, I'm gonna, I'm going to begin my book. And so I set the alarm for four o'clock, I got up and I sat down. And then this is before laptops or computers. And I just started writing on a ledger. And I wrote the, the introduction. And about two hours later, I came back to Ben and Michael said, what's wrong? And I said, I'm never going to be a writer. I can't write I just I, she says, Well, what were you trying to write? And I said, was trying to write the introduction, that's the first thing. And she said, Well, why did you? Why are you doing that? Why don't you write what you feel inspired to write? And I said, so really good question. I think I'll try that. And I went in the other room and I wrote, like 18 pages, my hand was cramping. I was so so I was just stream of consciousness. So I had a lot of ideas. Unlike you just about what it meant and all of these thoughts that I'm not not good verbally or can't really communicate in right written form, it was always a challenge. And, but inspiration doesn't need an education. Inspiration. Doesn't need a degree. It doesn't need any experience. It's just so we all have a story to tell. We weren't all write a book, but we might write a song we might help another human being who's our neighbor, whatever, it's going to come through us. So I just I love like Pete writing his book about his story is I think it's gonna touch a lot of people as well. So it's just gives me so much gratitude and hope When I see this metal being passed on to, it's just there's no end to this. This is just endlessly going out in every language, every religion, every culture around the planet. It's amazing how truth is seeking its level at this point. And so, Joseph, thank you. You're such a wonderful example. How are we doing on time here? We just ran over. So, one one more question Damien has one more question. Or comment? Go ahead. Okay, hi, me real quick. What's the name of the book? Just it's called, don't believe everything you think. Okay. That's it. That's one day. Thank you guys. In the chat box down there, and there's a link to Joseph's website, right, James? Or, we don't have a link to his website. You can pop it in there, though. If you want Joseph. And we do have the the link to the book, the book launch right there. So in the book has sold over 7000 copies within the first month. About a month and a half, almost two now. Oh, wow. That's so good. No. I only wish I could sell 7000. Man. That's amazing. That's incredible. Well, thank you, Joseph, so much for sharing what you had to share with and for writing this book and for being who you are unabashedly in this world. Thank you so much. Yeah. And thank you all for being here. And coming on this podcast. We couldn't do it without all of you being here to listen and share and ask questions. So thank you so much. Next month, Mariana Golan from Mexico City from actually won the lotto Mexico will be our speaker. Marina is a an incredible writer, singer, or writer and speaker, public, just an extraordinary public speaker and from the heart, and is reaching the world of Spanish speaking people all over Latin America and Spain through her work. So she'll be sharing. So hope to see you next month. I just wanted to make sure next month it's going to be on the 28th. Joe. That's right. It's not on the 21st. Yeah, because the annual conference is going to be happening and so in London, so we're making it a week later so that Mariana is going to be in London speaking so we made it a week later. Perfect.