Patrick Lencioni is one of the founders of The Table Group and is the pioneer of the organizational health movement. He is the author of 13 books, which have sold over 9 million copies and been translated into more than 30 languages.

As President of the Table Group, Pat spends his time speaking and writing about leadership, teamwork, and organizational health and consulting with executives and their teams.  After more than twenty years in print, his classic book, The Five Dysfunctions of a Team, remains a fixture on national best-seller lists.  His most recent book, The Six Types of Working Genius, was released in September 2022, and he is also the host of the popular business podcast, At The Table with Patrick Lencioni.  

In this episode of World of DaaS, Patrick and Auren discuss:

• Why smart companies fail despite having great strategy
• The six types of working genius framework
• How to run meetings that don't suck
• Building organizational health through productive conflict

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This week’s World of DaaS LM Brief covers Anthropic’s settlement with a group of authors over copyright claims. The case centered on the use of copyrighted works in training AI systems and reflects the mounting legal and IP challenges shaping generative AI.

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This episode is a rebroadcast of host Auren Hoffman's appearance on the CMO Confidential Podcast.

Auren shares why he believes vendor management is the #1 skill for future executives—and why most companies should rent world-class capabilities rather than hire executives they can’t fully utilize. From “scaffolding” young talent to his provocative views on procurement’s negative value, Booz Allen, MBAs, and the transformation of private equity, this episode is packed with contrarian insights for CMOs, CEOs, and founders alike.

🧠 Don’t miss Auren’s candid takes on why many traditional business functions are stuck in the past—and what leaders should do instead.

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⏱️ Chapters:

00:00 - Introduction: Auren Hoffman’s Background & Career Path

01:45 - The Most Important Executive Skill: Vendor Management

05:22 - Why Renting Talent Beats Hiring for Most Companies

08:40 - Scaffolding: A Framework for Developing Talent

12:10 - The Case Against Procurement: “A Negative Value Function”

16:03 - Why He Would Short Booz Allen

18:35 - Private Equity’s Shift from Builders to Financial Engineers

23:14 - The Problem with MBAs and Why ROI is Often Negative

26:40 - How Executives Should Rethink Internal Capabilities

29:08 - Final Thoughts & Rapid-Fire Takes

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This week’s World of DaaS LM Brief looks at new research from MIT, which finds that 95% of generative AI pilot programs inside companies are failing to deliver meaningful financial impact.

The issue is not model quality but enterprise integration and a steep organizational learning gap. The report shows ROI is strongest in back-office automation even as most budgets flow to sales and marketing, and that success comes from buying specialized solutions and forming strategic partnerships rather than building in-house.

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Rujul Zaparde is the co-founder and CEO of Zip, the $2.2 billion AI platform for procurement trusted by OpenAI, Anthropic, Snowflake, and hundreds of leading enterprises. He previously co-founded FlightCar, which raised over $40 million and was acquired by Mercedes-Benz. A former Airbnb product manager and Y Combinator visiting partner, Rujul has built Zip into the category-defining leader in procurement orchestration.

In this episode of World of DaaS, Rujul and Auren discuss:

• Why everyone hates procurement departments
• Building 50+ AI agents for enterprise workflows
• The future of autonomous business processes
• YC's evolution and startup quality over time

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This week’s World of DaaS LM Brief looks at a recent piece by Auren Hoffman, co-authored with Sushant Bhardwaj and Lily Petherick from Flex Capital, on a little-known but impactful clause in VC term sheets that can strip founders of their voting rights when they leave their company.

We cover how this “employment-tied voting rights” provision, often overlooked until it is too late, can leave founders as shareholders without a voice and why Flex Capital advocates for its removal to foster trust and protect true ownership.

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Brian Potter is a structural engineer and author of Construction Physics, a weekly Substack about the economics, technology, and productivity of building and infrastructure. He's also a Senior Fellow at the Institute for Progress. 

In this episode of World of DaaS, Brian and Auren discuss:

• Why construction productivity has flatlined for decades
• The failure of modular construction and automation barriers
• The unprecedented innovation at Bell Labs and modern research comparisons
• Why America dominates fracking but struggles to build 

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Howie Liu is the co-founder and CEO of Airtable, the AI-native app platform which has raised over $1.3 billion in funding and is valued at more than $11 billion. Howie sold his first startup, Etacts, to Salesforce when he was just 21 years old.

In this episode of World of DaaS, Howie and Auren discuss:

• The evolution of the no-code/low-code movement
• How AI is transforming software development
• Pricing strategies for SaaS products
• The importance of founder mode and hands-on leadership
• The future of work in an AI-driven world

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Dwarkesh Patel is the host of the Dwarkesh Podcast, where he interviews leading scientists, founders, and economists about AI, science, and progress.

In this episode of World of DaaS, Dwarkesh and Auren discuss: 

• Why experts overestimate AI capabilities  
• The continual learning bottleneck in current models 
• Japan's economic crash and global productivity stagnation 
• Spaced repetition and effective learning strategies

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Michael Ramlet is the co-founder and CEO of Morning Consult, a global decision intelligence company with more than $100 million in annual revenue. Morning Consult conducts 30,000 daily interviews across 40+ countries and serves more than half of the Fortune 500.

In this episode of World of DaaS, Michael and Auren discuss:

• The evolution from telephone to online polling 
• Building representative polling samples in the modern era 
• Real-time data collection and economic indicators 
• AI and the democratization of survey research

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Prukalpa Sankar is the co-founder and CEO of Atlan, a data platform used by organizations like Plaid, NASDAQ and the UN to manage data collaboration at scale. Atlan has raised over $200 million and grown revenue 7x in the last two years.

In this episode of World of DaaS, Prukalpa and Auren discuss:

• AI native company transformations
• Context as the foundation for enterprise AI
• Building remote-first cultures globally
• The future of metadata for enterprise 

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Amit Gupta is the CEO of Cardlytics (NASDAQ: CDLX), a global commerce media platform that powers rewards programs with card-linked offers and enables brands to strengthen customer loyalty.

In this episode of World of DaaS, Amit and Auren discuss:

• How card-linked offers strengthen customer loyalty 
• Identity resolution and retail media
• Cardlytics' view into $5.8 trillion of annual consumer spending
• The limitations of traditional loyalty programs

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Fabrice Grinda is the co-founder and managing partner of FJ Labs, a venture capital firm that has invested in over 1,200 startups with more than 350 exits, including early investments in Alibaba, Flexport, and Delivery Hero. He previously built and sold three companies as CEO: Aucland (one of Europe's largest auction sites), Zingy (mobile media startup sold for $80M), and OLX (global classifieds platform operating in 90+ countries with 150M+ monthly users, acquired by Naspers).

In this episode of World of DaaS, Fabrice and Auren discuss:

• Curiosity-driven investing and founder assessment
• Diversified portfolios vs concentrated strategies
• Secondary sales and exit strategies
• AI tools transforming investment research

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Rabbi David Wolpe is the emeritus rabbi of Sinai Temple in Los Angeles, one of the largest synagogues in the United States. He is a bestselling author of eight books on faith and spirituality and has been named one of the most influential rabbis in America.

In this episode of World of DaaS, David and Auren discuss:

• AI rabbis and digital therapy
• Lab grown meat and kosher laws
• Consciousness uploading and digital souls
• Fertility rates and collective meaning

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Max Marchione is the founder and President of Superpower, a digital healthcare platform that recently raised a $30 million Series A to make preventative and personalized medicine accessible to consumers.

In this episode of World of DaaS, Max and Auren discuss:

• Billionaire-level health protocols and testing
• Why AI will replace expensive doctors
• Peptides, toxins, and human enhancement
• The future of personalized medicine

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Jager McConnell is the CEO of Crunchbase, a leading business intelligence platform for startup and investment data, serving over 80 million users.

In this episode of World of DaaS, Jager and Auren discuss:

• The polarized venture funding landscape
• Why 'religion' beats 'truth' in data companies
• Finding defensible moats in the AI era
• Predicting acquisition targets at scale

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Russ d'Sa is the founder and CEO of LiveKit, the infrastructure company powering real-time voice for OpenAI's ChatGPT, Character.ai, and numerous AI applications.

In this episode of World of DaaS, Russ and Auren discuss:

• The evolution of voice AI
• Turn detection and conversational dynamics
• Real-time infrastructure for AI
• Copilots vs autopilots for the future

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Dan Driscoll is the current Secretary of the U.S. Army, overseeing a military branch with approximately one million soldiers, 250,000 civilians, and an annual budget of $185 billion.

In this episode of World of DaaS, Dan and Auren discuss:

• The Army Transformation Initiative
• Rapid defense innovation with Silicon Valley
• Modernizing obsolete military equipment
• Fixing Pentagon procurement 

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Brandon Daniels is the CEO of Exiger, which provides AI-powered supply chain and third-party risk management solutions to Fortune 500 companies and government agencies. Exiger has annual revenues of over $150 million and received a majority investment by Carlyle, Insight Partners, and JMI Equity for $1.2 billion in 2023.

In this episode of World of DaaS, Brandon and Auren discuss:

• Tariffs and supply chain chaos
• Bringing manufacturing back to the US
• Data validation in supply chain monitoring
• Countries most vulnerable to China's influence

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Joshua Steinman is the co-founder and CEO of Galvanick, a cybersecurity company building tools to secure industrial infrastructure and AI systems.

In this episode of World of DaaS, Joshua and Auren discuss:

• Foreign spies in tech companies
• Vulnerabilities in critical infrastructure
• Lessons from Stuxnet and Ukraine
• Building resilience against cyber threats

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Brian O'Kelley is the co-founder and former CEO of AppNexus, which built core infrastructure for programmatic advertising and was acquired by AT&T for $1.6 billion in 2018. He's now the co-founder and CEO of Scope3, a company working to reduce the carbon footprint in digital advertising.

In this episode of World of DaaS, Brian and Auren discuss:

• The zero-sum game of auction paradigms
• AI tools revolutionizing software development
• Building personal brands in tech
• Climate tech's shifting business case

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Trae Stephens is a partner at Founders Fund and co-founder and current executive chairman at Anduril, a defense technology company that produces software-defined, hardware-enabled major weapons programs.

In this episode of World of DaaS, Trae and Auren discuss:

• Revolutionizing defense technology manufacturing
• Billionaire founders in defense tech
• Supply chain resilience for military hardware
• Technology's impact on modern relationships

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Scott Stephenson is the former Chairman, President, and CEO of Verisk Analytics (NASDAQ: VRSK), where he led the company's transformation from a nonprofit insurance data collective into a global data analytics powerhouse with a market cap of over $40 billion.

In this episode of World of DaaS, Scott and Auren discuss:

• Data monetization and defensibility strategies
• AI's impact on data businesses
• Leadership succession in data companies
• Effective board membership

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Martin Casado is a General Partner at Andreessen Horowitz (a16z), where he focuses on AI and infrastructure investments. He previously co-founded Nicira which was acquired by VMware for $1.2 billion in 2012.

In this episode of World of DaaS, Martin and Auren discuss:

• Economics of open source AI
• Chinese AI innovation with DeepSeek
• Model collapse and data moats
• Regulatory challenges in AI

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Bill Wise is the CEO and co-founder of Mediaocean, an adtech platform that processes over $200 billion in global media spend annually.

In this episode of World of DaaS, Bill and Auren discuss:

• The hidden plumbing of global advertising
• Measurement monopolies in adtech
• The transition from linear TV to CTV
• Cultural integration in tech acquisitions

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