Kickflips and Kickstands
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Kickflips and Kickstands
Leo from Rickshaw Billie's Burger Patrol
In this episode Grayson gets to fulfill his real boy dreams and talks music shop with Leo from Rickshaw Billie's Burger Patrol. 8 string guitars, cheeseburgers and a whole lotta music, enjoy nerds!
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Speaker 1:hello, hello, I'm, I'm good, I'm feeling effervescent no, no, no, no no yes, I want it back you're not effervescent anymore, dude, I don't know why I said all that I really did like you're just not um work on it okay, so how? I mean you're, you're in. You just started some school. What's going on?
Speaker 2:that's new yeah, I'm in school for rtf. It's good.
Speaker 1:It's a lot of reading and a lot of writing, which was anticipated so to the people at home listening, um, that don't know what the acronym is. What's rtf? Oh yes uh, radio television film oh, oh, okay, grayson's studying, ready to fuck.
Speaker 2:Is that what the kids are saying these days? I don't know.
Speaker 1:I can't keep up with it. That's how. I start to feel older. What are you sipping on?
Speaker 2:there. How are you? Oh, it's funny you mention that actually this is You're familiar with Arizona. You're familiar with Arizona gzona. You're familiar with arizona um ginseng and honey tea yeah, oh, that's the hard one, that's the.
Speaker 1:It's the hard one, everyone's everyone's putting alcohol in their shit now, huh and I knew they.
Speaker 2:They were on the roster. I once I saw a baja blast do it. I was like well, arizona's got to be next. Yeah, sure enough. Yep.
Speaker 1:So I had. I've had those, I've had. The mountain dew ones are dangerous because they taste just like mountain dew. Yeah, with no alcohol.
Speaker 2:What I want is the. You've been to kfc lately no right, they got mountain dew sweet lightning, which is a kfc exclusive. No ad, no hashtag ad um I won't.
Speaker 1:We'll take it yeah, if kfc or mountain dew wants to sponsor the podcast, by all means arizona tea, you know?
Speaker 2:99 cents a month. That seems to be y'all's thing. Um, but yeah, the if they made the sweet lightning hard. That's the last time you guys are seeing me. I'm gonna be in a ditch somewhere, it's just blacking out.
Speaker 1:Um, I yeah, I had that. The the arizona teas are good. They just they're like pretty syrupy no yeah, they're not.
Speaker 2:They didn't fully nail it. It's close enough but it's. It's got a thing to it.
Speaker 1:You can taste the malt yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry, I'm just typing up this invite email here for our guest today. Our guest to who? Grayson, are you excited for our guest today?
Speaker 2:I gotta guest To who. Grayson, are you excited for our guest today? I got it I can't lie.
Speaker 1:I'm pretty excited for this one. Yeah, why don't you tell the people?
Speaker 2:Why don't you tell the people who we got going on? Well, one of I think mine and Danny's favorite bands here in Austin and in general is Rick Shaw, billy's Burger Patrol and their lead singer and guitar player, leo lyden, lyden well it's gotta be right, we can ask him, yeah, yeah we'll ask him. He never like announces it from a stage, so sure no. But leo from rickshaw billy's burger patrol is gonna be with us, which is so fucking cool I'm excited because, excuse me, I'm excited to fuck up that.
Speaker 1:Take um this.
Speaker 1:I you put me on to rbbp the first time I saw them, I think you had contacted us and like, oh, we're gonna go to this show if you guys want to meet up with us. And I'm always a fan of live music and usually, you know, we've talked about on this shit, how the things that kind of build uh, the friendships that people have with this shit like skateboarding and motorcycles music's a big one of them uh. So usually when I have homies that like suggest some of their favorite music to me, I'm always down to go catch it live, even if I've never fucking heard or seen the band, because I'm like there's reasons why I'm friends with this person. I'm friends with this person, so I'm trusting that I will enjoy this and I did and I fucking. Yeah, it's one of my one of my favorite bands out of austin, one of my favorite bands probably, like they're probably in the top I don't know what the count is, but they're up there yeah, totally Amazing live show, amazing records that they've put out.
Speaker 2:I just, if you want, like classic hometown hero situation for Austin, I mean in my opinion, but it's pretty unanimous like probably the coolest thing happening in Austin right now musically.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:I believe Austin Chronicle best heavy metal band, I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1:Was it? I thought they won something right.
Speaker 2:We'll find out.
Speaker 1:We'll find out here in a minute, because I'm going to go ahead and send this link now. Nice, boom Sent. Let me let them know. I'm kind of fucking going in between three apps and two screens and pull your little notes up here. I don't think I need this open anymore, but we'll see. We shall see. Yeah, I think was it. It was either Sagebrush, I think it was a Sagebrush. No, what's one Far Out? That was the first time it was Far Out and they were playing Outdoor. We've seen them.
Speaker 2:Can I correct you? That's not the first time you saw them at sagebrush and I think it was east side classic. Was it that I think? So, maybe I think I think I'm right on that. I don't think we'll pull up our databases yeah, I don't think.
Speaker 1:But I don't think it was at a bike thing. I think it was just a show. Oh, it might have been, yeah, or maybe it was like a little mini fest and they were playing I think that's what it was it was at far out lounge, at that little mini fest maybe.
Speaker 2:Oh, I think you're right, I think you're right because, right, they were close either way. Yeah, because when we saw him the first time, then because I think your first show was my first show was my first show, and then we just started going to a lot of them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, probably been to 10 plus maybe 15, even I don't know yeah, but the, I'll tell you, my least favorite one was also at far out when they played inside oh my god but that's just that's not their fault.
Speaker 1:I think it's. No, it's the venue and I don't know. It's kind of a little woodstock 99 situation there, where it's like venues book them and they're like, well, we'll just put them in this tiny room with no sound treatment, with, like the back the bar, back the bar is backed with mirrors, and then all the shelves that hang like all cool, over the bar are all glass. So it's like we just got a whole bunch of hard surfaces and a lot of glass yeah yeah, it's very loud.
Speaker 1:I couldn't hear. For a week after that I, yeah, I went outside. I was like you guys love you, but I can't do this. Uh, I heard, I heard one of my eardrums, so I can do that little desk squeal that night where you hear just the frequency until it goes away. It's like, oh, there goes one.
Speaker 2:I stuck it out for that one and I heard that for about a week.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then in about 20 years you're not going to hear certain ranges yeah, worth it. Yeah, yeah, worth it but. Where else? Where else Saw him at Mohawk.
Speaker 2:Mohawk, come and take it.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, that one was a little loud too.
Speaker 2:Oh man, there's so many more.
Speaker 1:Mohawk was big dumb fest. Yep, loved it. That was great. I just love that venue too. I think Mohawk's my favorite big downtown venue in Austin, just because of like the big stadium slab and you get if you're listening at home.
Speaker 1:I forgot that we're fucking recording dude. That's how fucking natural we are at this. Yeah, this venue's got like big slabs, as I don't know. It's like layered like a cake almost that people can be on as part of the audience and then if you get there early enough, there's a little spot that kind of hovers over the stage and that's just that's ga too. Like you can, you can snag that spot. Sometimes they set up merch, sometimes they set shit up there, but most of the times they don't and that's just like, and you're literally like you're behind stage, you're looking at the band from like just above their heads behind them, yeah, so that's always a rad spot to get, but, like I said, it's ga and you got to get there, and if you want to keep it, you just got to stay there night, which you probably won't if you go to the bar. But if you have someone that'll hold down a spot, you can snag it for a whole night.
Speaker 2:Did we see them at Little Brother also? Am I making that up?
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, we saw them at Little Brother. Yeah that's right. I think we also saw them a little crossover. We saw them crossover. We saw them, didn't they play a Hippie Scum, the Hippie Scum Little Brother thing? They did a Hippie Larry thing, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:Yeah, those are some good burgers. That was a smash burger with the I forget what white cheese they did, and then a little special sauce and green chilies yeah, it was like a green chili queso or some shit. That shit was good, dude, that shit was good. What he's doing I mean they're still. They're still popping up satellites around town. I know they're also in marfa now yep, doing a lot in marfa. Yeah, it's cool we got a whole episode on marfa. We got the lost tapes you'll never hear it, but we got I was.
Speaker 1:You know, I was thinking because it's been so long, but at this point, as an audience member, it hasn't been long because we're deep in the season three in this episode, yeah, um, but I was thinking about just like hush dropping that episode one day out of nowhere. I don't know. I still might, it's not that bad. I mean, yeah, I don't know I don't have such strong opinions on it now, but I still feel strongly about it yeah, we just shit on Marfa for like an hour, but who cares really who?
Speaker 2:cares really, mr Leo, what's going on what's up man, what's going on? Man, that's man. What's going on, man, that's an. Oh, hold on one sec.
Speaker 3:This guy Nothing much, dude just hanging out.
Speaker 1:Sweet how you guys doing Good man. Thanks for fucking meeting up. Sorry we couldn't see you in person. I was trying to make it work, but it's just making anything happen in Austin like studio or venue. Wise, it seems like such a battle Hold on.
Speaker 3:Let me get off my wifi See if that helps. I think I got you guys Sorry. No, you're good, I'm good.
Speaker 1:It always every time it's like over zoom. There's always like going to be something like that. So, uh, leo, grayson, grayson, leo, leo, me, me, leo. Um, yeah, like we were saying thanks for you know, taking a little time to kind of chat with us. I know you guys are, yeah, for sure, you guys are getting busier now it seems. Um, I think, yeah, we're going to have a very busy year. Yeah, that's rad. We spoke about this at a show, I think. At the show, we were just talking about like where we've seen you guys, and that was that come and take it. Where I came up to, you guys were like you guys want to do a podcast, and you were like, yeah, sure, and then you guys got busier, we got busier. It was just like it got lost in the wind for a little bit. So I was like, let me reach back out, because they said yes once yeah, glad, uh glad we could make it happen.
Speaker 2:And you're gonna say something, grayson oh yeah, I was just gonna tell you leo. Uh, my goal while we talk is not to creep you out with how much of a fan I am.
Speaker 1:I know that's like a thing to say that's not a really good like way to start, but not I know I might have already failed it, but I really truly am a fan of rickshaw, billy's, burger patrol and trip six.
Speaker 2:Thank you.
Speaker 1:So yeah, man, oh yeah, thanks for sure yeah I was we were just talking about before you hopped on, like grayson was like oh, I'm going to this show, do you want to come check it out? And I was telling her like usually if one of my homies like I haven't seen the band or even heard them, if he suggests it, like I like going to see live music anyways, and if it's a homie that like I'm like close with, then I'm pretty sure I'll end up liking it. You know, because you usually share fucking music and whatnot with closer friends. And we went and I was like this is fucking rad dude, like so yeah, like it. It very quickly I was telling him got into like my top I don't know what the overall top number is of like favorite bands in X, but you guys are in there for sure. It's fucking, it's a good time. I appreciate you guys.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man. So I guess tell us so Rickshaw Billy's Burger Patrol. Every time I, you know, share you guys with someone, they always have a hard time with the name going. To be honest, I have it memorized at this point, but where did Rickshaw Billy's Burger Patrol the name, come from?
Speaker 1:Yeah, we had a lot of people it came from nowhere, man?
Speaker 3:It's the most popular question. I don't have a good answer for anybody. It was just. I was going to sleep after I wrote the first song, that name came to my head. I wrote it down on a post-it note. That's it. And it was just a joke and it was stupid and it just stuck. It's just. I think it's a good, uh, a good reminder that the name, just like it doesn't matter what the day like doesn't matter. What the name is doesn't matter. You can remember a little piece of it or whatever. It doesn't have to be like this perfect name that creates some sort of feeling or taking everybody too seriously in the metal world, or something like that. It's just like. It's just kind of was a happy accident, I guess. I'm happy. I'm lucky that I said the word burger in it, for branding purposes, I guess. But other than that, like you know, it really means whatever you want to mean, I guess.
Speaker 2:Nice, what was that first song?
Speaker 3:you wrote the first song was Kill for the Thrill. Oh nice, okay. Yeah, I was just riding around coming home from the bank.
Speaker 3:Oh, might have lost you just like really like kind of like lo-fi, sort of, just like punchy, drivey, sort of you know beans of the stone age sort of sounding stuff or whatever, just like that, like upbeat, upbeat punk stuff on the hives or andrew wk or something like that, and it's like I'm just gonna go home and and write something like that. And then that's where it all started. Nice, so I played in metal bands all growing up and stuff, and at the time I wasn't, I didn't have a metal project seven years ago, I was just doing solo like hip-hop stuff I guess, and I just miss doing metal stuff.
Speaker 3:So I just yeah, that's how it all started was that around the time you uh brought in the eight string guitar no, I've been playing eight strings since I was 19, so that 16 years I've been playing eight string, longer than I was, I've been playing six string. No, I, uh. I tried out for a tech death metal band that was really popular in the early 2000s called the Tony Danza tap dance extravaganza and they were playing eight string. So I uh through the myspace days. Yeah, that they, uh, they lost their bass player, a guitar player. So I messaged them and uh, got a tryout with them out in st louis and had to buy a string guitar for it and I just stuck with a string after that, nice yeah, um so kind of.
Speaker 2:So what is like kind of the origin story of rbbp I? I've heard rumor of you biking here from boston. Is that true?
Speaker 3:but that had nothing to do with rickshaw, that was just, uh. I had graduated from college in 2012, up in Boston, I had just, I was just big, a big cyclist. I had biked from Boston to Toronto, uh, to write my thesis my thesis for graduating college, because I went to school for audio engineering. My thesis was to, uh, I wrote an album and that was my, like, graduation project. So I wrote it about that whole trip, um, and then, once I graduated from college and got dicked by the by tau student loans and I was just like this, this is all just the dump, this is a joke. So I just was like, I sold all my shit, hopped my bike and started biking across the country with my guitar in my back and then I got.
Speaker 3:I got to cincinnati, ohio, and like, ran out of time. I fucked my knees up really bad, I was just carrying too much gear. I wasn't like conditioned the right way. I was on. I was on the road for like two and a half months, um, I flew down here because one of my songs, uh, at that time, in that different project it was just under my name, um, which you can still look up if you want. It's just like it sounds like bonavere. It's just like, very like folky indie shit um, yeah, very different.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, so that was uh, um, yeah, I flew down. I flew down to austin from cincinnati because one of my songs was charting on, like kbrx or something like that, and, uh, then I was like you know, this place is sick. So I ended up going back to boston for a few months, saved up money and just moved down here like six or seven months later. Yeah, so that was 2000. I moved out here in 2014, I think June of 2014. Nice, yeah, so I was doing the solo singer, songwriter stuff for a few years down here and I had a punk band for a few years down here and I had a punk band, um, but I never found anybody that to play metal with until, like, like, seriously, until I started doing rickshaw stuff. I mean, I always had projects back home that just never took off or no one was serious enough, uh, to do it. So, um, yeah, rickshaw kind of just all clicked in a very serendipitous way how did you find aaron and sean?
Speaker 3:sean was my downstairs neighbor, um, which is funny because sean and I grew up half an hour away from each other but we didn't know each other at all. We had, we knew, some of the same people, I guess, like in the music scene up there, which music scene isn't great up there, hence why we left. But, um, and again, that's subjective too, I guess. But, um, yeah, I lived at the metropolis, the like the artist, musician, like housing that's down off riverside. I was, he lived, he lived downstairs from me with his band that he moved to austin with and I moved in with a bunch of dudes I went to college with. So once I started this project, he's like, yeah, I want to play drums for you. And I'm like, well, that's, you were the person I was going to ask. And he was still in that band at the time and then they broke up not too long after. So it all just kind of timed out the right way.
Speaker 3:Aaron, we were a band for three years, I think shit more so than our old bass player did. So we fired our old bass player and was like you want this more? So here you go. And that's really. I feel like when Rickshaw became Rickshaw. He was like the final piece of the puzzle, because before that I was writing all of it, and so when aaron started to join us, when we started to be more of a band and writing stuff together, nice.
Speaker 2:Yeah, your, your guy's sound is um, it's, it's very unique, but it's also very specific. It's super groovy. Some of it is feels like straight up rock and roll rather than metal, but with like a metal facade uh, almost on top of it. Um, did this? Did you guys sound like that from its inception, or did that kind of just happen?
Speaker 3:I mean, if you listen to the first ep burger time classics compared to now, I'd say that the sound is there. It probably wasn't as refined, and it's interesting because I feel like I can write a super, super heavy song like I'm the fucking man or some of the stuff that's coming off. The new record is the heaviest shit. I've been wanting to write heavier and heavier, more, I guess, like just um, like just more disgusting vocally or lyric content wise, just really fucked up shit that I've been putting off wanting to say about certain things, um, but it's always been groove forward, um, I think that in a large part has to do with the eight string guitar um not really being able to.
Speaker 3:You don't really play a whole ton of power chords when you're tuned down that low because it sounds so muddy. So it's almost like it's very anti-guitar. It's more like I'm playing a bass, um, the way that I'm writing stuff, and it's very minimalistic too. I mean some of these songs I'm only playing like three notes. Aaron's doing a lot more dancing around and chord structuring, so it's like we kind of flip-flopped roles and that's something that I guess maybe didn't wasn't there when he's, when he joined the band and we started playing together, but it's developed into that, um, but yeah, it's just like. I just think it's it's the eight string guitar that has that specific tone and you know that it's I, it's the eight string guitar and I'm playing on upbeat like that's what rich, that's what rickshaw.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it's like, yeah, when you're, uh, like you're talking about writing this album and making it heavier, and like nastier do you, when you're sitting down, for like this process? Are you doing this with it as like a live show in your mind? Are you writing it for like you first?
Speaker 3:I usually yeah, this album particularly, I think, uh, because of how some of the heavier songs from the last two albums before that went over live, um, part of it was for me because I just wanted to see how far I could push it, um, but also this was very strategically done for a live setting and I'm glad that these new songs are going over really well with our crowds and they're like okay, this is something like a little bit more um, experimental maybe, because the the new album's 11 songs and it's only 25 minutes long, like they're all like one minute 90 second long, two minute like.
Speaker 3:Maybe there's like a four two minute long songs on it, so they're all designed to be able to elongate live or play certain parts live or attach them together to kind of fuck around with it. Um, so that's uh, yeah, it was. It was always in the back of my head and wanting to play stuff that, um, I always think about like cause we move around so much on stage, how am I able to play and sing this at the same time? Is always in my head.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I always want to make sure that, like I'm not writing a song that I can't perform live. And maybe out of the whole Rickshaw catalog there's maybe like two songs that I can't do, that Just I can't separate my brain to play it and sing it at the same time. But yeah, it's always, it's always a focus. Like I want to make sure that we can. What we do on the record sounds exactly how like tonally it sounds exactly how it does live. It's just big, tons of low end, just like punches you in the face and then after a second it's done. And then there's another one. It's boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And you're just like this new record. It's like it's 25 minutes of like what the hell just happened to me. Like did I just get thrown into like a washing machine or a dryer? Yeah, head jumbled around. It's just like it's it's so aggressive but not too long to where. It's just like that.
Speaker 3:Like I'm not I I'm not a big fan of like songs that are over five minutes long. It's just I, I don't have that attention. I don't have an attention span like that. I think society doesn't have an attention span like that. So that's, society doesn't have an attention span like that. So that's something I feel like I take into account too. It's just. But that's just me. I just I like quick, fun stuff. I need to. I want to just go back and play over and over again.
Speaker 1:No man, I feel you on that. I feel like songs. Yeah, songs are like four to five minutes these days and movies are like minimum three hours and just like, why do we have to fucking sit around for so long for this?
Speaker 3:right, yeah, every part of the song should have a specific purpose. Like I generally don't think putting a bridge in a song has a purpose. I don't think putting a guitar solo in the song has a purpose. Interesting, like it's just, it's and that's just, and that's just my subjective opinion. Like yeah, I just, I don't know, every time I have to play a solo that I wrote on a rickshaw song, I'm like I hate this. It's part, it's not part of the whole thing. It's like now, like look at me fucking playing my solo. It's just, it's not. It takes, it takes you out of the song sometimes. Yeah, um, but again I'm like I'm just, I don't feel like I'm playing guitar extreme guitar like a normal guitar player. It's like I'm trying to figure out how to make it not sound like a guitar or be like oh, this is so funny.
Speaker 3:I wrote two, a two note song. It's stupid, I know stupid. Like it's, you know, um, it's, it's fun for me to piss people off that way. I guess I don't know. I mean like this is like pantera walk. It's one note. Like it's like that's hilarious, but it's like timeless. Simple. Being being simple, like some of all the best stuff is like the most simple shit true, uh, like chew on doomwomp.
Speaker 2:I you guys played that live and I heard it and I was like whoa, that riff and chew is so sick I specifically put time aside to come to your next show in hopes that you'd play chew so I could get a little video of you playing that, that main riff, so I could go home and learn it. And it is very simple but it's so melodic and it seems like throughout all your guys music there. Even though there is like a simplicity to it, it's super melodic, which is a nice, sure change for most metal music that I listen to yeah, there's definitely a like a happiness or like a hopeful factor to it, I guess.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and then marrying whatever we're playing or writing with, uh, understanding that the space and the silence of what we're doing is just as important as the notes we're playing. Yeah, I think it's something that, uh, um, we definitely like really pride ourselves on, because that's that riff and shoes, it's bow, bow, and then I'm just like standing there like this for two seconds. Then I go brown, like it's just does. Everything else is filling it out, like it gives sean so much space, it's like bashing the drums and it just makes that part hit even harder when it comes back in. Um, and speaking of which, when I was talking about solos and whatever, that like lead part that's in there, I like I don't even I guess. I guess it can be called a solo, but it's just a three note, just little like it's. It's vocal, it's not like it adds. It adds to the song more than it is like a sticking out part. It's just, it's almost like that's the. That's like the pre-chorus to the to the chorus part, I guess. Yeah.
Speaker 2:But vocally. I mean, I have to ask how did you find that voice? But also part B of that is like do you write melody first, or are you like in a notebook, writing lyrics and then figuring out melodies to that?
Speaker 3:Lyrics are generally the last thing. Um, so, like I'm sitting at my studio desk right now, um, it's just, I sit here and every night and I just write riffs and I program a drum part and then I'll start to put on. Like, once I start to get a melody to it, then I know that's something I'm gonna end up working on. But there's, I have hundreds of Pro Tools sessions that just don't have any vocal to them but, you know, are in the in the back pocket to pull out sometimes, and sometimes I forget things I had written or whatever. But if I writing something and I catch a good groove on it and then I can put a melody to it, usually I'll end up finishing it.
Speaker 3:As far as the vocal, that actually came from the punk band I was in, which was a joke punk band called chuck bucket and the whole thing was uh, like charlie bucket from willy wonka chocolate factory. Like who the gives a kid a chocolate factory to run, he just becomes like a degenerate drug addict that runs the chocolate factory into the ground and he starts going by chuck instead of charlie. So, uh and you can look that up, there's a bunch of on youtube it was like crazy. Like we had like eight, eight guys in the band. They were like like, like I was, I was the main songwriter and these dudes would just come.
Speaker 3:All these guys at the metropolis come up to dudes would just come. All these guys was at the metropolis, come up to me, be like oh, I got these lyrics for a song. I want to write it like the ramones, or I want to write it like bad brains or I want to write it like, uh, like any any punk band style. So we're doing all different punk styles and then the songs that I wrote and sang on.
Speaker 3:So it'd be like a round robin of like this guy sang this song, this guy's saying this song and all the other guys are running around like putting fucking vegetables in their ass and making out with each other and spitting on people and like playing behind chicken. What dude? It was like fucked up.
Speaker 3:It was like some gg allen shit but it was hilarious um, yeah, we got, we got in some trouble, um, obviously, with doing that shit. But my thing was just like whiny, like oi punk, like ooh, ooh, ooh, kind of like shit. That was like whiny and I was just thinking about like how Boston sucks and like that whole thing, like anti-Dropkick Murphy, like fucking, like ooh, ooh, like kind of whatever. So it came out of that it was my whiny kind of nasally, like come on, man, let's go, and that was like where it came from. And then I started.
Speaker 3:So it's it in a like influential aspect. I guess it was like zach de la roca from rage against machine ad rock, from beastie boys. Um, I know people say jack white a lot, but I don't like or ozzy, or I get like I don't know, like Arctic Monkeys sometimes, or Les Claypool is probably the most obvious one lately, which I totally know I do it, but it's just that nasally, it's like it's cheeky, it's like it adds to the non seriousness of it. Like it's it's cheeky, it's like it adds to the non-seriousness of it, and also because everything is so much low end and low and down tuned the way I sing, like that, that mid and high and high frequency just cuts through everything.
Speaker 1:So that's kind of another reason why I chose to sing like that I was gonna say everything you guys are playing is so heavy and like down here that like, yeah, your vocals are so far above it as far as like range and the tone of it, that it separates it enough to where it's. Like at first, like I was putting people on um to the band and they were like this is sick. And then they hear, like you know, a riff, and then your voice comes out of nowhere and they're like whoa, I wasn't expecting't expecting this.
Speaker 3:I'm like, yeah, it's fucking sick, like you weren't expecting it, but it's still good, yeah yeah, and I think a lot of people too, when they hear my normal voice, they're like wait, how did that? How are you singing like that? When you talk like this, it's just I don't know. I don't think I'm tech, I don't think I'm like particularly singing correctly, either like using my diaphragm the right way, or it's all. It's all like in the upper end of my throat when I'm just doing that, it's just like buzzing. I'm like buzzing on my uh, on my throat. But yeah, I know it's comfortable and it and it's like, yeah, I guess it works. So is that?
Speaker 2:is that rough when you're doing a bunch of shows or touring like singing, like that all the time?
Speaker 3:no, usually it's, um, my voice usually gets screwed up when it's like raining or like moldy, like just like allergy shit, I think, um, when it gets, that's when it gets like phlegmy and and whatever, or like just inconsistent temperatures like will dry out my throat and shit, um. But uh, no, usually when we're on tour it's like after day three or day four we all lock in together and it's almost easier for me to say if I'm, if I'm doing it every day. After like three days it starts to just become sort of muscle memory. It's harder to like sing a thing and then a week or two later sing again like doing one off, and again I probably should practice more or like keep my stamina up. I think that's probably the problem.
Speaker 3:But yeah, yeah, these are, once you get in a groove Like we like to just play, like we're on tour, it's like let's play 10, 10 days in a row like I, I, we're out there. We don't want to take time off often, we want to be out there making money and playing as many shows as possible, and so we just kind of snap into it. We travel really really well together and I think that's a rare thing to say for a lot of bands.
Speaker 3:yeah, like a lot of bands will go out on the road and they're like, uh, like they can't take time off their job or um, they get, they end up getting in a van together and then they fucking hating each other. It's like for sean and me, sean and aaron. We were able to communicate effectively and, like you know, we know the the full purpose of what we're doing.
Speaker 2:So it's pretty easy Nice.
Speaker 1:Besides, you guys are getting out on the road a lot more. And besides the obvious Austin, what's some of your favorite places to play or areas to be in when you're on tour?
Speaker 3:Somebody asked me this yesterday what? What did we say? Well, the West coast stuff. We're going out to the West Coast in March. That's our second time going out there. La was cool. We sold out LA the first time we went, so we're really excited to go back out there to a bigger venue. Let's see, denver was like 10 people away from being a sold-out show. I'm really excited to go back there. I guess I like denver as a city anyways.
Speaker 3:Um, charlotte and raleigh, north carolina, are usually really fun. Um, atlanta's been great. Um, boston's always good for like a homecoming show. Philadelphia was really fun. New york I just don't like new york city. Um, this is so hard to get in and out of that city and find a place to park the van and all that shit, but the show wasn't bad. Um, I'm trying to think of like weird places that we like college.
Speaker 3:College Station is always really fun to play. That was our first city. We went to play outside of Austin probably six years ago. They had this tiny little bar out there called Rebs and it's like because A&M's out there, so all the college kids come on on the weekends and it was just like the place for metal bands to stop and play at. It's a tiny little like you could fit maybe 60 people inside of it, and then there's a. There's a big outdoor area you can probably fit like 200 people, and it was just always just complete chaos. Now they have a venue out there called the 101. That's like all the same people and a little bit bigger of a spot. Call the station has a special spot in our heart too. Galveston was always fun, but we we don't really play Galveston much anymore, but Galveston was always really cool too.
Speaker 2:So what do you? What's your vision for for Rick Shubley's burger patrol? Do you want? Do you want, to play stadiums? Do you want to be a super huge band like that, or do you like where you're at right now?
Speaker 3:We, you like where you're at right now. We kind of take the formula that the melvins have for bands like maybe crowbar or I hate god, um, or goat whore or something, where it's like you're in a van, the three of us. Maybe we have a sound guy, maybe we have a merch person, small team, uh, we're playing, you know, I would like to think, the sustainable goal which we already are becoming sustaining to a to a point. But playing 500 to 1000 cap venues and touring, you know, four or five months out of the year, that equates to a livable wage and, yeah, good income, like, because once you hit those 500,000 cap venues is when you can start making, you know, probably like three grand guarantees a show, um, which we're not there yet, um, but we, we just bank off of selling merch. Merch is the way you're going to make money, yeah, in this industry, making sure you're playing venues that don't take merch cuts, because that's up, and those places that do that. Um, but yeah, it's like, right now we are just doing the headline. We're headlining our own east coast and west coast tours, playing usually like 100 to 250 cap venues and doing well, like I mean on the west coast tours the first time I went to the west coast last may or june or whatever it was we were had about a little less than 100 people per show coming up, which is great. So I'm like super excited to go back out there and see what the numbers are going to look like this time. Um, because we did well in these, in these spots, and our agent was able to book, you know um, slightly bigger or more reputable um venues for us.
Speaker 3:Um, and the single is doing really well. Um, we're going to release another. We're releasing a music video next week that I'm really excited about. A lot of big metal press has wanted to get their hands on it, which is really exciting, which means that hopefully that'll really pop it off and put us in some new years when the record comes out. But already right now, the numbers are looking really good, so I'm excited. That's it. Body bag is the first single, yeah, yeah, and we'll do it the music video next week and then, like three weeks after that, we'll drop one more single before um, before the record drops on march 22nd nice.
Speaker 2:Um, so you have all of this going on with rbpp. Uh, what kind of how did uh trip sigs come about?
Speaker 3:so trip sigs started. I work, I pick up door shifts and bar shifts that sagebrush down on south congress like the honky tonk. But we also do other, um other types of music too, like we. We love playing there. We just played there last week.
Speaker 1:Um, that show looked crazy we didn't make it out because that was nuts yeah, that show sold out that was.
Speaker 3:I did not expect that to happen, yeah that place.
Speaker 1:I mean, it's no surprise that your crowd looked like that, but just seeing that inside in sagebrush with that many people was fucking sick.
Speaker 3:Sure, yeah, that. And then just like the aesthetic of that place too, with the like exposed beams and it just looks like an old honky-tonk. The chandeliers are like shaking and like back and forth on the ceiling and shit. It's pretty cool, um. But, uh, yeah, so, um, my buddy well, I actually didn't know him until he started working there. Rod gator, uh, rod belongs on. He started working there and he's like an Americana guy and he was about to just like up and quit music.
Speaker 3:But, uh, the owner of uh stage was Dennis, dennis O'Donnell. He's like been around in the scene forever. He used to run hole in the wall, used to own hard luck. Um, super awesome dude like a kind of like a father figure to us, and he is like, yeah, you're gonna talk to leo, he'll like. And he just rod, called me up and we talked for like three hours on the phone, having never met each other, and we're like all right, maybe we can work on some music together. So he just came over one day and we wrote, uh, the first song for that, which was comeback kid, which is a single that's out right now, for that, um, and we just kept hitting it and we just like every time we come over, just like I just it's because we recorded big dumb riffs back in july, so I just needed to be writing something. I'm always in my room writing something and I needed to like kind of have a purpose for it, because I know that once we drop big dumb riffs in march, we're realistically probably not going to release another rickshaw record until 2025. So I just I had ideas and things I wanted to do and he's like, and it's just fun, it's fun to not have to sing and just play guitar, it's cool, um, and then I found nico. Well, nicodog, I don't know if you guys know Mugdog, oh yeah, rod is calling me right now. But yeah, I've always wanted to play with those guys. I think that they just groove so fucking hard and they're both just monster players, which is crazy for how young those dudes are, that they play like that. I mean, I guess it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3:But uh, it was like, yeah, an opportunity for me to just like do something. Thought on the side, because rickshaw now can't like play four shows a week like we used to in town because we have an agent and you know we can't do that. We can't play in the market all the time and um. So I want to start a side project where I could play more shows, um, and build that up. And also, at the time Aaron was out of town for like probably three or four months at the end of last year. So I wasn't sure like we were unsure if he was going to be in town or if he was going to be moving somewhere else. So I wanted to start something, knowing that he might not be here.
Speaker 3:So I wanted to have a band in town to still do shit, because I mean, eventually Rickshaw will get to a point where it doesn't matter it kind of doesn't matter if we are living all together in one city or not at this point, because we're going to be touring. We'll do East Coast, we'll do West Coast, east Coast. Then we'll take a couple months off, then we'll do West Coast, east Coast again. We're trying to get Europe in there somewhere. We'd love to do the Midwest again. I just had things I wanted to write and just didn't want to keep it all for rickshaw to then not come out for a year. I just hate sitting on music. When I write something, I just want it to come out as quickly as possible.
Speaker 2:Yeah well listening to comeback kid it. You you've found a good balance of it. You can tell you're on it. You can, especially with what you're talking about, with the space between stuff that comeback kid riff. There's a lot of space between it, which is very cool, uh, but it is. It is very different. Like it doesn't. It doesn't sound like oh, this, you can hear that it's rickshaw billy's burger patrol, which is cool. Um, and it's very heavy. I mean I don't know if say it's heavier than rickshaw billy's burger patrol, but it's, I mean up there, if not a little bit heavier. Um, do you want to take the same ride with trip sigs and like, build up this big thing and then start the whole process over again?
Speaker 3:I don't know, I don't think it's gonna like with how Rickshaw is looking for this year. It's going to be interesting to see because then I'll come back from the road and we'll do trip SIG shows and stuff. Um, I don't think like, maybe, like we're all, we're all in it and we all like doing it. I don't know if, like I know I don't have the time to like be like the main dude doing everything you know, or like creating the branding or posting up stuff. Like Rod's been good about helping that and just being like, yeah, like Rickshaw is still like the number one thing posting up stuff. Like Rod's been good about helping that and just being like um, yeah, like Rickshaw is still like the number one thing.
Speaker 3:Um, trip sticks is really cool and really important. Um, I don't know how it'll grow in the same way. I mean, I hope it doesn't grow in the same way. It's cool that um, with our background and then with Rod's background being like a country Americana singer. It's cool to um with our background and then with rod's background being like a country americana singer. It's cool to have this like sort of outlaw country and outlaw rock thing uh combined and um, it's cool to play shows where you're seeing like country dudes and metal dudes like all hang out together, which is pretty rad. So I think there's really something special about that.
Speaker 3:Um, because we could play, you know trip sigs could play a. Because we could play, you know Trip Stiggs could play a show with a country band or you know whatever. It's just like the same kind of vibe. But as far as the writing of it goes, I feel like it's very early Rickshaw riffs, I guess, and it's like I'm not doing anything different with my tone or anything like that. So I guess you can still tell that it's me on guitar. But everything else is pretty different. I like keeping a lot of space for Willie to just rip it on bass, because he's a maniac, and then space for Nico to do his thing. I'm trying to write riffs for that band that are the least important part of the whole song. Like everything they're doing is like just like building off that and putting little ear candies like all over the place.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm just being like the steady like thing going, doing the same thing the whole time so now you just have to start like a countryside project and then you can do like you can do, a three bill show where you're just playing for fucking like two hours all night.
Speaker 3:That's my retirement plan. Man, I'm going to get a. I'm going to get a pedal steel Hell yeah. Pedal steel and just do that when I'm like 50.
Speaker 2:I'm going to ask a nerdy technical question. This one's for me. How do you get your crunch? Like where? What is your crunch setup?
Speaker 3:um, I'd say it's mostly.
Speaker 3:Well, I guess there's two. There's two things, um that I would equate it to octave pedals, um. So I split my signal. I run two amps, one for low end and one for the high end, um, they both have a? Um, an octave up pedal on there which gives it that like buzzsaw sort of tone to it. Yeah, that, combined with how low it's tuned it just like makes it cut better um. So I'd say that. And then um the amp I use. Um.
Speaker 3:Well, I used a sun model t forever um, and now I use a pv 5150, the new, like um, the iconic series 5150, the block letter 5150, um, which is designed after the model t. Like when eddie van haan designed the 5150, he designed it after the model t. If you look inside of it, it's set up exactly the same way the way the transformers are, the way the tubes are, everything. The placement of everything is exactly the same. So I wanted to upgrade it to something new because my, the sun model t I have is like 30 something years old, so I'm worried. I guess he did something more reliable um and wasn't didn't need to worry about it breaking on the road or anything like that um, but it has a specific just like high mid crunch that a lot of amps don't have.
Speaker 3:Like um, I used to play an orange ad 140, which is like the amp that mars volta kind of like made famous and um, back then I used to rely more on fuzz pedals, um, for my gain, because I just didn't have as much gain, uh, as the 5150 or the model t does. But yeah, it's like, I mean, I guess the 5150 like a mesa triple rectifier or model t or maybe like a jcm um, those all have like that like higher end, just like when you're picking it just sounds more chuggy but in the high end register than an amp like an orange, like an or series or um, a dual dark or something like that, where it just it has a dark, it just overall has a darker quality to it. That's more, I think, for slower playing, sludgier, doomier stuff like the 5150 just like keeps it tighter. It just seems to have a tighter compression or something like that. I don't really know what it is, but I'm not a big gear nerd, so I kind of just like when I find something that works I don't really change it.
Speaker 3:Like my, my pedal board is just an overdrive. Uh, the octave ups and a noise gate and a and a and like a delay reverb and I haven't changed anything on that pedalboard in probably four years. The switch over to the 5150 was the first time I switched my amp in probably three years. I'm sponsored by Orange and I use a Terra Bass. I've been using that for probably five or six years. Yeah, it just works. I don't like changing stuff around all the time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm surprised to changing stuff around all the time. Yeah, I'm surprised to hear you have an overdrive pedal rather than a distortion on your board, which is cool. I've tried to replicate your tone through like a fuzz factory and I just can't do it. It just doesn't work.
Speaker 3:So I use I mean I could show you, I guess I don't know if you've seen it live there. You go for the bass tone.
Speaker 3:Is this thing the um, the sun, life pedal, the gold thing, that's a octave up and it's basically like a rat or like a tube screamer fuzz. Um, this thing you could just plug straight in to a interface and it sounds nasty and then. So that's the only thing. I'm running through the bass section and then the whole bottom is just a tape echo, which I really don't have anything good or bad to say about it. It just does what it does. A shitty little donner, uh noise gate. The overdrive I have is an earthquake or talons, which just adds a little bit more punch. Um, I have it on all the time. Then the earthquake or tentacle, and then my avy switch, that's it, and then a tuner on the top.
Speaker 3:But wow okay it just comes from combining. I would say it just comes from combining the octave pedals with a such a low tuned guitar. Yeah, and that sort of amp format.
Speaker 2:I think is what what you're hearing, or why it sounds a specific way nice, cool that what you just did just made my year, so I appreciate you doing that now you got the secret sauce bracing now you got the secret sauce, that's that was even like I'll say like I mean, I'm looking at my 5150 right now and like the gain is on five, it's not like I'm not pushing it and it has four different gain stages on it, like I could like it's on the.
Speaker 3:It's not like I'm not pushing it and it has four different gain stages on it. Like I could like it's on the. It's on the distortion. It's on, like you know, the overdrive channel, it's on the clean channel but there's a button called burn and it actually boosts it up to another gain staging. I don't even have it, it's not even that hot like wow, um, I would, and it's just like it has, you know, a decent amount of mid and high um on there. But I think a large part of it too is the cabinet I'm using. Um has like weber um, they're kind of just like vintage 30s, I guess, but um, I can push them loud. I could push them so loud with this amp that it kind of colors the tone differently too. Yeah, so like I usually have the volume when we play live around like four um, but it just colors the speakers in a certain way. I think that the breakup sounds um, it adds. It adds to the tone quality, I think.
Speaker 2:But yeah, nice Well, it's working for you.
Speaker 3:So, and that's also like, cause I was using orange cabinets too that just had vintage thirties. I was just like vintage thirties sound cool. They sound I like how like they are more bright.
Speaker 2:They're brighter than other um speakers that I've used, I guess. Yeah, that's rad. All right, I was selfish with that question, so I'll let you what you got.
Speaker 1:The next one no, dude, you got all the questions. I'm just freaking along for the ride. This is I, I'm. I played drums. I played a lot more percussion in orchestras back in the day. Whenever there's any kind of musician on, grayson just takes over. It kind of rips for me because I just have to press record and sometimes guide the conversation, which is sick.
Speaker 2:By all means, this is, this is your strong suit well, that's, that's all I you showing me your pedal board. Um was a real treat, but um, danny, you had some. Uh, we posted a story on our instagram yeah, yeah anyone want to ask you yeah, we got some.
Speaker 1:We got some pretty ridiculous ones and it's a lot of burger-based too, which everyone that's listening by now will know. That the burger part was kind of a happy accident. But if I ask you, brad wants to know what's your favorite burger in Austin.
Speaker 3:Bad Larry Burger Club, for sure, oh yeah. Yeah, they used to do Smash Bounty the right way. It's like. I don't know. There's something very nostalgic tasting about it too. I don't know what the secret is, but yeah, we do a lot of shows and pop-ups with them. They're great.
Speaker 1:We went to Big Dumb Fest that we were talking about before you hopped on at Mohawk. Mohawk's one of my favorite live like bigger live venues downtown, and I just remember them tossing burgers into the crowd while you guys were playing from that burger shoot and I was like that's kind of like where that's the happy accident and putting burger in the name for branding. Wise Cause, where else are you going to get a metal show when they're slinging burgers into the crowd while people are rolling over each other, literally?
Speaker 3:uh, and someone wants to know who's your favorite bruins player of all time little favorite bruins player of all time probably adam oates, um, which is like back in the late 90s, early two. Well, I guess, yeah, like late 90s um, back when, like cam neely, ray bork, all those guys were on the team. Adam oates is just the best like setup dude, like he like knew what to do like 10 steps before, kind of like. Uh, my second favorite player, I guess mark savard. But yeah, it's hard, that's a hard question.
Speaker 1:That's a hard question actually we'll just we'll have you back on cool 90s bruins dudes, we'll have you back on Cool 90s Bruins dudes. We'll have you back on for a whole Bruins deep dive episode.
Speaker 3:I'll talk hockey all fucking day.
Speaker 1:And then this one's one of my favorites, just because of how they worded it. If you could patrol any other food, what would it be and why Shit?
Speaker 3:Probably pickles. I'm a big pickle dude. I like fermenting and doing shit like that hell yeah, and that actually perfect.
Speaker 1:Somebody asked, somebody asked if the burger boys like pickles or not. So that kind of answers that oh yeah, 100 and then you. You answered this one earlier in the episode too, with the east coast tour. Someone asked east East Coast tour later. Question mark.
Speaker 3:I guess that's a full question, yeah we'll announce more details about that next week when we drop the music video. But yeah, we'll be out there, let's see.
Speaker 1:Oh, and then, what would your last meal be?
Speaker 3:Last meal A spicy pickle pickle, some buffalo chicken tenders or some wings, anything buffalo related. Uh, probably like a a glass bottle of coca-cola. Uh, it's pretty solid. It's like some kids nostalgic shit. Yeah, it's a good side, like fucking uh oh, mac and cheese or something yeah, I was gonna say mac and cheese or like mashed potatoes or something. Yeah, um, yeah, I feel like that's a, that's like such a like I was going to say mac and cheese or like mashed potatoes or something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I feel like that's such a non-elaborate answer.
Speaker 3:No you're good man. It works Like escargot. I fucking love escargot. That's a weird one. Put some escargot on there.
Speaker 1:Dude, if you saute it up right, some escargot on some mashed potatoes would probably fucking hit.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, probably Weird, it's cool yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. And then last one I just wanted to give a shout out because Trevor over at Rathbone I know you guys have played some Rathbone shit before he said my daughter's favorite band and she always asks to listen to Rickshaw, so that's pretty rad.
Speaker 2:Trevor's starting young yeah um, the food question reminded me. Uh, y'all got big dumb beer coming out right yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:So our, um, our record release on march 22nd at san elmo brewery. We went down there yesterday and saw them, uh, batch up the beer and putting it through the whole fermentation process and then in like four or five weeks we'll go back there and we'll help them can it up. So it's going to be in these big like 19.2 ounce cans with our whole like album, like artwork on it.
Speaker 1:Nice, I was gonna say, is it is the artwork going to get the Rickshaw Billy's treatment.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, it nice, I was gonna say. Is the artwork gonna get the rickshaw billy's treatment? Oh yeah, it's gonna look like the cover, like it's like a ketchup mustard, like with the stupid uh car running the stimpy looking cartoon character on it. Yeah, and they're, and they're backed up a ton of it. He was saying like like 300 cases of big dumb beer. So I don't know, you'll be able to buy it there in cans. I doubt they're going to distribute it anywhere. They might be able to distribute it like, uh, I don't think that. I don't know. I don't know if that's the case, but it's going to be awesome for everybody to have cans of the beer, just like hanging around and going nuts at the show. That's sick, very excited for that. That's very cool.
Speaker 2:Well, Danny, you got anything else.
Speaker 1:No, I'm trying to think. I mean, you've been fucking killing it, I've just been on autopilot.
Speaker 2:I was going to tell Leo I don't usually take the lead on this. I was super excited to talk to you in particular, so I kind of hijacked this one. Yeah, Grayson's a huge music nerd, you didn't hijack.
Speaker 1:I plan this. The more musicians I get on this shit, the less work I do. You understand that this is great for me. No, I just I I wanted to let everyone know this episode. This episode is probably going to come out, uh, maybe around or a little later than this release and tour and everything. But I wanted to take time out to like give you guys a proper plug too. Like, if it does, go back and listen to all this shit, buy a big dumb beer. If you can like just support these dudes because they're fucking killing it and it's. I mean, I know you're not from austin, but being the, the band being from austin and everyone you guys have, like there's a little hometown pride every time we go to austin shows where people are fucking like stoked to see you and it's like it's a good fucking time it's really I was gonna say how do you feel about the austin music scene?
Speaker 2:in my opinion, you're one of the cooler acts in austin right now. I know there's a lot but big fan um. How do you feel it's changed and where do you feel like it's going?
Speaker 3:um, I mean, I love the austin music scene, especially without every other city we've been to. Um, austin just has something that other places don't like. The community aspect of it, too, is huge. Like I love being able to just be accessible to people playing our show. We worked our own merch table. We're here, we're we like talking to everybody. Um, I think that's really special. And like helping people out in the scene or just people in general, like they have this question about booking, or this question about, or like I want to book a show in new Orleans. Like can you give me contact info? Like it's all. If we're all helping each other out, then the scene grows.
Speaker 3:I think our scene has grown and the little bubble that we've created, it's just like being consistent, trying to play as much as possible, uh, not letting anybody tell you what you should or should not do. You can, like I can tell you that a thousand things that rickshaw did, that we weren't, we weren't supposed to do, that we did anyways and it actually helped. Don't let anybody tell you what to fucking do. Um, and yeah, I mean it's just like. I know it's harder, like in this climate, uh, like this political and cultural climate, to like be able to do music for a living. Uh, I mean, aaron and myself pretty much survived the last two years just off of playing music with rickshaw, so that I prove like you can be a musician, you can make money doing it if you want to do it, if you like, believe, if you, you can manifest that shit like, just like, if you tell yourself that you're, you're, that you'll become, you can become that like, yeah, and it just takes time. It takes a lot of time. I mean, we've been doing this now for, uh, I think we're going into our seventh or seventh year, I think.
Speaker 3:Um, the first three years were, like you know, slow and it just takes time to build stuff up, takes time for people to figure out who you are. There's just so much shit going on in this town which is great, like you can go out and see a show and you know a dozen, two dozen venues every night of the week, which is there's no, I don't know where anywhere else is doing that, and I understand, like the tech bros moving in and you know, cost of living going up and shit like that. Like you know, I think that it's just everything changes. You got to make adjustments to it. It sucks, everything sucks. Like I mean, just do what you do, what you want to do, um, as long as you're doing it with good intentions and trying to help people out, Totally Shit, yeah, man.
Speaker 1:Well, totally shit. Yeah, man. Well, leo, I mean, we don't really have to keep you much longer. I think you got through through everything that we wanted to chat with you about, and then some.
Speaker 3:But it's actually funny. I was getting a bunch of phone calls from the trip sigs dudes, we just booked a show tonight at hotel vegas, so nice. They're like, dude, we have to. Uh, they're like we have to like answer them right now. So I was like I'm in an interview, guys, I have to go to work tonight. They're like, rod just got my shift covered for me, but he didn't say anything. He's like, all right, I guess we're playing a show tonight.
Speaker 1:Nice dude, you said Hotel Vegas.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we're playing at 1230, I guess so. I don't have anything to do right on, fuck yeah well again, thanks for coming by, dude.
Speaker 1:And uh, yeah, just to everyone back home listening in your car right now, wherever the fuck you are this episode's over, go listen to some rbbp, go buy some merch dude, buy some. That's the other thing I wanted to say when you brought up like, wearing band shirts is always tight, but your guys' shirts are fucking sick. So when I see people wearing a Rickshaw Billy shirt, it's like another one of those little like fucking. You're in this club of people who know.
Speaker 2:And it's a sick feeling. Without fail, when I wear Rickshaw Billy's Burger Patrol merch, I will have some dude be like fuck yeah, dude, rickshaw Billy's Burger.
Speaker 3:Patrol, it happens every time so special and it's cool because we try to do different merch designs or different colors of different shirts. So you can almost kind of pinpoint along a timeline, like I got that shirt this point in time because they only did it this point, like at this time, and they change the color, or whatever people. People see you with that shirt, like, oh shit, you have one of those shirts only made like 50 of those shirts and then like you wearing something cooler like this this dude gave me this is a one of our hats, this used to be maroon and this dude wore the shit out of him and he gave it to me at our show uh last week.
Speaker 1:I'm like god damn, it's awesome yeah, I think he's got some miles on it for sure yeah, yeah, I owe him a new hat for sure fuck yeah, dude. Well yeah, um, like I was saying, stream their shit, but also they make more money off of tour tickets and merch, so support the boys there too, totally oh yeah yeah, you can just go to our, our instagram rickshaw billy and the boys, or you can just type in rickshaw billy.
Speaker 3:It'll probably come up, because I know the name is long and annoying to remember, but you can go. We have a link on that that goes to everything our in our you know merch websites, our ticket links, uh, you know videos, whatever. It's all there nice dude check it out well, leo.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much, man. This was a treat for me especially, but it's definitely going to be like a highlight of the season cool.
Speaker 3:Thank you, guys appreciate you?
Speaker 1:yeah, man, have a good show tonight too, if you're yeah oh go support trip six too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, trip six two. Go check them out, all right dude, oh yeah cool.
Speaker 3:Thank you, guys, take it easy see ya, yeah, see you are you happy, grayson?
Speaker 1:I can't hear you pretty happy, sorry about okay, you're muted yeah um, did you write down the pedal board? You got everything it's not like I'm gonna go buy all this shit I just was so curious.
Speaker 2:I was like I I have tried to duplicate that before and it's just not happening. I want to know what the secret sauce was. Um, but yeah, sorry, like I know you said you don't care, but like I did, kind of I really don't care.
Speaker 1:I was so I was expecting it. I was expecting it because I don't. You guys don't know this, but anyone who's close to Grayson knows that Grayson is so bad at communication Texting back. And I'm not talking shit to his face.
Speaker 2:He'll admit this about himself.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, truly, but early this morning I wake up to a few texteroonies from Grayson with like a whole fucking footnotes, like he had the whole episode. And as soon as I saw that I was like oh okay, I'm not, I'm just, I'm literally just hitting record. I'm the, I'm the sound engineer on this episode.
Speaker 2:I was going to like all day. I was like be cool man, like just be a cool guy, don't make a big deal about it. Hey, what's up? Other guitar player I mean I didn't, you know, I didn't go into depth with this with leo, but like I listened to rick shabby's burger patrol in my car a lot, yeah, and like same.
Speaker 1:Well, we didn't talk about it for me, we didn't talk about it with him, but we brought up how it's like. It's upbeat, it's heavy, but it's upbeat and hopeful and fast. It's really good driving music. If you're in like some traffic or you just have like a long commute, it'll make your a long or like arduous fucking drive a way more fun, so much more enjoyable yeah, 100.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was cool man, that was really cool for me especially I sorry audience. I forgot you guys were there. I thought I was just chatting with leo from rbbp yeah, yeah, well, we weren't.
Speaker 1:We just weren't. I was trying to get it in person sure, yeah, and we can.
Speaker 2:We can circle back.
Speaker 1:It was a little interviewee this time, but you know I want to get the fucking get the boys message out there about all their stuff I was thinking about that too, as we hopefully get more musical acts on, because we've had um like richard richards and mean jeans and the nukes, uh, and now leo from rickshaw billy's as brandon uh brand new, dj brand new yeah, he's dj.
Speaker 1:As we get more musicians on, I like there's this fine line where we still want to be just fucking like shooting the shit. Yeah, but I feel like, when it's a musician from a listener's perspective, as like hokey and like cookie cutter, as some questions can be, a lot of people want that. I feel, um, from like a podcast with the musician. So I don't think it's, I don't think it's like cliche to have a little segment of like this is like, even even if we fucking joke about it before we do it, like these are all the questions that you're gonna get asked by everyone else, but it's just like, it's like a service and he's a busy man too, I mean, as you heard in the episode, like you know, you know his time is valuable.
Speaker 2:So I didn't want to, not, I want to trim off the fat a little bit, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Goodness, but something that we didn't mention. Maybe should have but didn't mention. But just so you guys know you can check it out and all of their stuff. They are pretty tied into motorcycle culture as well, like in their music videos, and it just there's heavy elements of motorcycle culture in the rbbp sphere, you know oh yeah, even just from like the venues that they play and totally just people that are listening to their music.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and they play motorcycle events. Fucking. It's like I was. This whole thing is like there's only a few connecting branches as to like why we all hang out and, like I said, music, motorcycles and, if you still able-bodied to skateboard or just watch, yeah, it's all there, absolutely that was a treat yeah, man, I'm glad. I'm glad we can work that one out once.
Speaker 2:once we're off of here, I'm just going to pace around my apartment for the next couple hours. Hell yeah, probably hyperventilate and pass out.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to, so hopefully we grow this thing and then the next one's like a live in studio with all of them and we're all fucking mic'd up. That would be sick, that'd be great.
Speaker 2:You know there might even play Not saying that's happening, because we definitely haven't talked about that yet.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no.
Speaker 2:This is your boy Dream.
Speaker 1:It's an idea, it's an idea that I've tossed around in my mind how we can make that happen. We don't know, guys, hey listeners, we don't know If you would like to help that come to fruition. If anyone's like an event planner or tied in with venues that can host a motorcycle, slash music, little festival kind of thing, let us know, dude, let us know. Reach out to us on instagram at k flips and kickstands podcast. Um same thing for the email. Same same words at gmailcom after it. Let us know, help us, help you put on, uh, an event for the people that we all want to go to that would be sick, I promise that would be sick.
Speaker 1:Probably could even get a bad larry burger. Pop up there, pretty easily.
Speaker 2:This is highly feasible uh-huh.
Speaker 1:So yeah, maybe we get a dunk tank, maybe, grayson, maybe we get a dunk tank and and maybe I sit in the dunk tank. Maybe it's not actual, but it's made to look like beer.
Speaker 2:It's made to look like beer or, since we're in Austin, it could be like a Chipotle aioli I get dunked into that's kind of disgusting I don't know If we do one in Marfa, we'll do that.
Speaker 1:We'll just make sure we don't do it in August. Can you imagine a big?
Speaker 2:bed at Chipotle.
Speaker 1:Aoli, it's like 116 degrees outside.
Speaker 2:It'll also be full of vomit if you make it do that.
Speaker 1:Oh God. I can't get that image out of my head now. That's terrible Well we have to make it happen now. Yeah, yeah, Chipotle Aoli dunk tank in August, Austin Texas.
Speaker 2:Be there Also a little director's commentary. I just did Dry January and I'm starting this thing where I just drink on weekends. I'm going to probably keep that going for 2024. A couple little crispy boys. One of these as the aforementioned Arizona hard tea, not a plug. You know, the aforementioned Arizona hard tea, not a plug, but sponsor us. Sure, oh, that'd be, oh, no.
Speaker 1:That'd kill me, it'd be dangerous.
Speaker 2:Maybe don't Sponsor us. I'm in a dream state right now. Is what I'm trying to say? Yeah, All of my fantasies are becoming true.
Speaker 1:Well, we can get a couple more knocked out tonight.
Speaker 2:I'm so glad we do this, Danny. This is such a treat.
Speaker 1:I know this was my like this one we had. I mean, we love all of our guests but like, yeah, of course, ever since we started this thing, there are a couple people that we've reached out to that were like, well, this is never going to fucking happen. And then they have. This is definitely one of them. It's been sick if if we never go anywhere with this and just keep interviewing people that we really think are rad, I think that this is a win for us, totally.
Speaker 1:Um. That being said, by the time you're hearing this, we probably do have some merch available, um, at a link on our instagram. So hook it up, help Help your boys out and I made a post about it, but it's literally going to probably go to booze and drug money for us and gas money to get to other guests. Obviously, we're going to pool most of whatever profits and merch back into the podcast, but you know we need the beers on the weekends.
Speaker 2:Yes, dude, yeah, we need the beers on the weekends. Yes, dude, yeah, we need the real brewed green tea, ginseng and honey hard Arizona teas.
Speaker 1:Okay, now it's sounding like an ad.
Speaker 2:It's not Boy, they're refreshing.
Speaker 1:Drink Arizona hard. No, no, no, it's totally not an ad. It's not an ad. We're flow for liquid death, you know.
Speaker 2:We really are flow. We're not pro liquid death we're flow liquid death, so uh, they send us free shoes.
Speaker 1:Everyone that would be sick. Uh, the ad for them is uh, if you want, if you see a lot of cool tattooed people on the internet drinking liquid death and want to be one, get tattoos and drink liquid death and take pictures of yourself and put it on the internet and then you can be that. If you don't want to, you don't have to. We're not legally obliged to tell you any of this.
Speaker 2:You know, at the end of the day, what else matters.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we all just want to be cool little tattooed people on the internet.
Speaker 2:I'm getting a face tat right after this tattooed people on the internet.
Speaker 1:I'm getting a face tat right after this. I don't care. Hell yeah, fuck it, just get. Get a burger on your face like top bun forehead I'm gonna get a um a photo realistic.
Speaker 2:Uh, leo right here. No, next time, I see him, I'll be like check it out remember that thing about not freaking him out, dude I loved opening on it. Not to creep you out, but I love you usually that's followed by something that's creepy.
Speaker 1:No, what I was gonna say instead. You know, gucci man's got the ice cream, just get it's a cone, but with like a couple burgers as ice cream scoops. Danny, that's a crazy cool tattoo idea you just had do it, but not on your face let's see, okay, I cannot condone that I'll ask my mom see how she feels about it. Yeah, I'll go with her decision I mean the world's ending anyways, so nothing's real so yeah if the world ends job stopper.
Speaker 2:Tattoos don't really stop a job anymore also, jobs aren't even real anymore, so who cares? Yeah, there's so we're gonna work in the metaverse soon, where I won't have tattoos. That's insane, did you get your Apple Vision Pro? Not yet. I'm trying to make my own, but I might just have to get the Apple one.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to make my own and Grace is just giving himself lobotomies and putting regular glasses on. Everything looks so different now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's me just eating a lot of fungi and just looking around Come over to Grayson's and the lights flicker from the outside.
Speaker 1:Self-inflicted shock therapy? Like I don't think that's how Apple Vision Pro gets its updates. It's like that's how mine gets them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if you can dream it, you can be it. That's what I got to say to you guys.
Speaker 1:I think that's the perfect message to end this episode on. Absolutely. Um, once again, this has been an episode of kickflips and kickstands. Listen to all our episodes. Listen to all of rickshaw billy's shit. Um, go buy their merch, go buy our merch tripsigs, tripsigs. Uh. You can find us on instagram. You can probably find us on youtube at this point, hopefully, if we got our shit enough together. Um, do or do not drink liquid death, it's whatever. Arizona hard teas are pretty cool. Uh, shout out to monster hard, not monster hard. Uh, mountain dew, those are pretty cool. Go get some taco bell and then get the hard. Baja Blast Budweiser's sick.
Speaker 2:Try the new hard Budweiser. It's pretty good too.
Speaker 1:Try this new alcoholic beer they've been talking about.
Speaker 2:What a good show we've made. I know Bye, I know it's been great, this is it.
Speaker 1:This is the last episode.
Speaker 2:This is me giddy by. By the way, this isn't even like intoxication. This is me just being like we did it we did do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we set our minds to it and we did it. If you dream, it.
Speaker 2:You can be it exactly, just for copyright reasons, I can't say what I want to say, but just fulfill it. That's what I say. Thank you, you.