From Healthcare to Entrepreneurship: Finding Fulfillment and Financial Empowerment

Ever considered leaving a stable career for the uncertain path of entrepreneurship? Philip Jayhawk Chan, our esteemed guest, shares his transformative journey from healthcare to the helm of his own business, defying the norms that often bind medical professionals to a life of service at the expense of their own well-being. In a heart-to-heart dialogue, Philip lays bare the moment of clarity that led him to pursue autonomy, revealing intimate insights into the sacrifices made by those in the medical field and the importance of reclaiming one's mental, spiritual, and physiological health. His experience is a resonant tale of finding true fulfillment by embracing the freedoms that entrepreneurship bestows, challenging listeners to consider what it means to live a life aligned with their deepest values.

The endeavor of entrepreneurship is dissected in this episode, laying out its three fundamental tenets. The conversation steers towards the audacious 'burning the ships' approach, where commitment and the surrounding environment can propel one towards success. My reflection on the catalytic changes to my 2023 outlook post-partnership demonstrates the significance of dynamic collaboration and the art of leveraging complementary skills for scalable ventures. We then herald the extraordinary financial achievements of Igor, whose narrative from real estate to futures trading encapsulates the essence of mentorship and the collective strength found within a team. Listeners are offered a glimpse into the world of futures markets and the potential for financial liberation, underscoring the episode's overarching theme of personal and financial empowerment through entrepreneurship.

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Dr. Shah-Haque: 0:00

Welcome to another episode of the Worthy Physician. I'm your host, dr Sapna Shah-Haque, reigniting your humanity and passion for medicine. Today, I'm pretty excited about having Philip Jayh awk Chan, who is a native Kansan like I am. Why would I have him on here? He's a former healthcare individual who really found the value in living a life that he himself designed and was true to his personality. So he thinks that through his journey, he has tools that he can share with us physicians as to how to really define what fulfills us and how to make that change, including a vehicle that can expedite that. So, philip, thank you so much.

Philip Chan: 0:53

Thank you for having me, dr Sapna, pleasure to be here.

Dr. Shah-Haque: 0:56

We've had multiple conversations over the last several months and I've always appreciated your just being very candid about you were on track to become a surgeon, but something just didn't speak to you. Naturally it just didn't feel right, Is that?

Philip Chan: 1:12

correct. Yeah, I still remember this day. It was like 8 pm on a Saturday night, finishing up another 12-hour shift at the Urgent Care Center of Kansas City Orthopedic Institute, and I just told myself. I was like I think this is it, this is enough. I cannot see myself going down this road any further for the long term.

Philip Chan: 1:35

Surgery was something that I thought I was super passionate about, which initially it was, but as I got more and more immersed in medicine and the actual doing of it, I realized it really diminished my core personality.

Philip Chan: 1:50

I'm blessed to be able to actually have a meeting with you right now via Zoom, because one of the things that really hurt and struck me was when I was studying for the MCAT, when I was trying to hit all the criteria for med school and going through my master's, I was being forced to become a mute because the only times that I would actually speak to someone was when I would go get Starbucks and get my mobile order, and I started to see a huge psychological change in how happy I was, because I just wasn't not allowed to be who I actually am.

Philip Chan: 2:23

So, like many physicians who want to get into medicine because they have a calling to help others, to see sick people become healthy again. I think we all have that desire to help and empower others. That's why we chose the path of medicine, but for me it was not going to be the right vehicle long term for me to get to the same result. And that's when I knew I had to pivot out and I recognized that entrepreneurship would probably be my best bet in creating abundance in my life, whether it be time freedom, locational freedom as well as financial freedom.

Dr. Shah-Haque: 3:02

No, thank you for pointing that out, because I think that one thing that we always get stuck on is financial wealth, and while that is important, we forget how important other things are, such as time, such as freedom to choose, and there are many parts of medicine that are dark and very soul sucking and that take that away from you.

Philip Chan: 3:24

One of the things that I recognized was like, for example, I was KU's pre-med triple major in five and a half years, and when I got done with a 12 hour shift on campus, I called my sister who's a child neurologist now, but she was at the time going through residency and I was like big sis, I just had a hey, what's going on, how are you doing? I'm like I just had a long day. I just got done with like 12 hour shift on campus. I'm just now heading home and she's oh yeah, you little prince, I just got done with my 28 hour residency shifts for child neurology, and so I think it gets to a certain point where the culture of medicine embraces hard work and being overworked as a pride and a badge of honor. That's something that I recognize when I was doing my job.

Philip Chan: 4:11

I've spent a fair amount of time around surgeons and at least 200 hours minimum under my belt. What I found was when they talk about how oh yeah, I had to do an emergency surgery that was 24 hours long, other ones that are a hip replacement for 36 hours, or a emergency trauma related one up in Chicago for 56 hours because we were snowed in. It was one of those things where it's like it becomes like a competition. Let's see how long you can take it.

Philip Chan: 4:42

But an irony that I found was we're supposed to serve the help of others. However, that mission is being conducted where our own health is at the instrument, and so I was always taught if you want to help others, you want to make sure you have your own oxygen mask first. You cannot it's difficult to pour from an empty cup, and so I thought I experienced a lot of ironies that I saw, which was why are you skipping lunch because you have a tight schedule around patients? Like, how are you even supposed to serve patients at the fullest of your capacity if you're not even nourished, whether it be mentally, spiritually or physiologically? So I just thought that's another pain point that a lot of us experience, and it ultimately did not encourage me to continue my journey. I'm very happy that I pivoted out towards entrepreneurship before my medical career solidified for that reason.

Dr. Shah-Haque: 5:43

I appreciate that and I appreciate that you're acknowledging the pain points that many physicians maybe overlook, acknowledge but keep their head down and push through, or ones that actually hopefully and smartly acknowledge it and try to work to refill that cup, work to meet their own spiritual, psychological, emotional and physiological needs. But thank you for bringing that up because you had great insight, because you saw the writing on the wall way before you even put both feet into that grave right.

Philip Chan: 6:19

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

Dr. Shah-Haque: 6:21

And while I love medicine, there's a reasonable impart time, and it's so that way I can keep those boundaries and so that way I can keep my cup full. So tell us more about your entrepreneurship.

Philip Chan: 6:33

Yeah. So essentially, I pivoted into entrepreneurship towards the end of my master's at KU Med. At the time, I went after the master's of science and applied statistics in a Linux and data science because under the KU Med's biostatistics department, because I saw that was going to be my only degree closest to business where I could actually transition out of medicine. Of course, a lot of the other masters offered were clinically related right, whether it be a master's of science and integrated medicine, physiology, neuroscience, whatever. The applied statistics was the best pathway for me and it was an online master's. So what I started doing was, even though I was going through the formal education, I was also, at the same time, going through a self-directed MBA where, while I was doing my master's online on my own free time, I would read about entrepreneurship. I would go after excellence. I went on a journey to explore and found 20 mentors under business who I thought that these people are successful and they have what I would say I would want in life as well, and started to really study greatness according to that aspect. That was like my first roadmap towards what I'm doing now is just studying greatness, and what I did was, over the course of five years, narrowed those 20 people down to the top three. Right, because there's at some point, right, you can only learn so much. You got to start doing. And when I narrowed it down to the top three, I would say Grant Cardone, john Maxwell and a pair of brothers called the Chittester brothers Tanner Chittester, who is the founder of ALEC EOs, but really I would say Alex Hermosi as the third one, because he's actually the mentor of Tanner Grant Cardone. John Maxwell and Alex Hermosi would be my final three. Now what happened was okay. I pivoted into entrepreneurship.

Philip Chan: 8:39

I went through several ups and downs in terms of finding my right footing, because in real world, right, there's a difference between learning business and actually going out there to discuss things, where you will have someone interested, not just to have a conversation with you but actually pay you for your services. To keep things condensed, I found footing in all things business and leadership development, where I became a leadership development specialist. That was partially because I was blessed to have been appointed into a leadership role within a private business organization called known as the American Club Association, the ACA, that's nationwide. It used to actually be a club where former presidents, dwight Eisenhower, were members. Anyways, when I had that opportunity, I said, okay, how do I make the most out of it? How do I become the best leader I possibly can be? That's when I went after John Maxwell and his resources and became John Maxwell certified, so that way I can take my leadership development understanding to the next level and become a subject matter expert myself. That's where I found footing, and the importance of being in the right rooms and with the right people doctors have in that business is so important because I started traveling, I started networking.

Philip Chan: 10:05

If I didn't do that, I would not have met my current business partner today, who is a former internal medicine doc. That is the founder and owner and subject matter expert of a private investment firm based in Florida. He was basically the last person that I networked with about a year ago at a 10-next Grant Cardone event. Grant Cardone, particularly to me, stood out and that's why I have him as one of my top three mentors out of the 20, because I witnessed him becoming a billionaire in 2019, going from a non-billionaire to a national billionaire. That spoke volumes in regards to leading by example. His community is a community of well-curated business owners who want to strive towards more, who have the ambition and drive to do more, and hence the 10-next model. I found my footing in business and leadership development, met my business partner at a 10-next event about a year ago. I'm very blessed to say that I'm now president and CEO of this joint venture because of the conversations that took place after meeting my business partner at that event.

Dr. Shah-Haque: 11:19

Can you expand on the importance of being in the right room with the right people at the right time? And for physicians it's more like okay, I want to go do a competitive residency at X, what do I need to do to make connections? It's going to be like doing that away, rotation or networking in that way, just to put it in context. But why is it Tolis, why is it so important to be in that in the right position?

Philip Chan: 11:46

I think also this would shed away at the normal culture of medicine, which is when you are a high-level physician or surgeon, you take pride in how you can cover three people's amount of work in the same work day. Right, and in business, what you have to recognize is nothing great was ever built by one person. It takes a village. And so when I say being in the right rooms to the right people, first and foremost you have to have the mindset that you are open to asking for help, that you're open to collaborating, that you're open to not doing things alone. As high achievers in medicine, especially with the hierarchy of medicine, everything is dictated by boundaries and the name of the degrees that you have, either it be an MS or an MA or MB, phd, right, like the beauty of business is like right now, I'm currently grooming my right hand to become the manager. I've been coming managing partner of our firm and he's senior investment advisor right now. But he's a young kid with a lot of upside and because I can have him be immersed in certain trainings and meetings, his learning curve and trajectory is compressed. I don't have to wait for him to get an MD before I can groom him being in the right rooms of the right people is a very important concept, not just in business but, I would say, in your life, because ultimately, no matter what vehicle of business you're in, dr Sapna, whether it be lawyer, doctor, lawyer, engineer, restaurant owner, furniture business owner, that's the vehicle of business. But ultimately, what you have to recognize is that we're all in the people business, and so when you shake hands with Nike, when you shake hands with IBM, when you shake hands with Apple, you're not doing business with the entity, you're doing business with the individual representing that entity. Right? So I think that as physicians, we have to get used to challenging that training that we're all going through and learn to become open-minded, first and foremost, because how else would you be able to build rooms?

Philip Chan: 13:54

It's really difficult. For example, as president and CEO, I can say I work 80 hours a week, but if I have a thousand people underneath my company and in our work structure, that's also clocking in 80 hours a week, then technically I'm not working 80 hours a week, I'm working 80 times a thousand. Right, it's leverage. Right, it's leverage because you get to access other people's expertise. You can leverage other people's skill sets by forming those relationships, being in the right rooms with the right people and ultimately, you can leverage their experience to get you more up and additional opportunities Right, their experience and relationships that they have, especially if you really connect.

Philip Chan: 14:38

So my business partner being a former internal medicine doc and me being surgically trained when I networked with him, he was the last person I walked out of the event with and we were hanging up a good hour and a half. Of course, I would say you always got to have something to bring to the table, but, of course, if you are someone that has some type of track record where you can offer expertise in an area where the other person is not so strong in and in my case, because I've had this training in leadership development and we had a conversation and he's yeah, I'm a phenomenal financial wealth creation expert, specifically around navigating the futures financial markets. But in regards to what you're talking about building a team, grooming and developing the team members the right way, empowering them the right way I don't have any trainings in that. So you're like, why don't we have a further conversation? And then that's when we started to establish a working partnership. That's a great connection.

Dr. Shah-Haque: 15:40

That's a great connection of having an open mind and networking, connecting and being at the right place at the right time. But now you have, you've grown that team, and can you? I'm going to leverage some information out of you. How about that? What are three pillars that you've learned through entrepreneurship? What are some three pillars that you've used for yourself?

Philip Chan: 16:05

I think that's why I wanted to study greatness under those 20 mentors, right initially. And what happens is mentors they can come in different forms, whether it be books or an actual live person, right. And so what I'm about to share with you is what I've seen that are common points of successful people and what they do. So number one is full commitment, like a thousand percent, a million percent committed to what it is that you set your sights on, and they call it burning the ships. Basically, if you really want to go into entrepreneurship, they'll make sure that you have your financial numbers in place because you are taking the risk.

Philip Chan: 16:46

But that moment when you jump in, you're like jumping. You're jumping off the cliff, basically, and you're going headfirst and it's called commit first and you figure out the rest later. So that's going to be there. Don't do the thing where, oh, I'm working a nine to five and I'm building my business as a side hustle. On the side you can get some work done and you can get some momentum built up, but it's really difficult that way because the majority of business is done during your nine to five. So if you want to call on set of appointments now, it depends on the business model, of course, but regardless, very common across all successful people, especially in business, commit first. We're very much taught to be perfectionists, dr Satna, in what we do. So you talk about ready, aim and fire, but here it's ready, fire and then aim right, because by the time you're doing this and you're aiming, before you fire, you want to know what happens. Boom, you get shot, yeah, and now you're out there again.

Dr. Shah-Haque: 17:46

I'm going to. I'm going to the example you gave about jumping off a cliff. I think it was Steve Harvey. I'm gonna paraphrase it how can you soar if you don't jump?

Philip Chan: 17:57

exactly.

Dr. Shah-Haque: 17:58

How can you soar if you don't jump? Yeah, and you, so you ought to do that leap of faith.

Philip Chan: 18:02

But it's done, be a calculated leap of faith.

Dr. Shah-Haque: 18:04

Right, You're not just jumping.

Philip Chan: 18:05

Just if you don't have any I would say Monthly savings to sustain yourself, because on, like I said, entrepreneurship is a risk, then you're putting yourself in a bad position. You should definitely see a jump of a parachute right now. How workable is that parachute? Is what we're getting at right? Right, definitely come in and jump, especially if you have this Earth and desire in your heart. Right which, by the way, the good news is, if you have a vision of Accomplishing whatever thing you want to accomplish, it's actually divine placement placed ahead for you, saying hey, this is actually meant for you. You just have to go and go get it. You know you have to go, commit and then go get it. So number one is commitment. Right, burn all your ships. Number two is being in the right rooms of the right people, because you can commit. But if you don't put yourself in a room where or situations that allow your success rate to increase, then everything else is fuel type right.

Philip Chan: 19:02

Again, I, when I met my business partner, when I learned about what he does, which is Navigating the futures financial markets correctly and effectively, that allows for wealth to be created at light speed, it really compelled me to assess him for an entire month and Evaluate what he's sharing is actually legitimate, and I'm glad that. I'm glad to say that upon checking him out for a good month, because you have to realize, when I met him it was before the turn of 2023, so I had, entering that event, my own agenda and execution plan for 2023 and After I assessed him and evaluated, I actually eradicated 95, 85 to 95 percent of my upcoming schedule to accommodate for learning how to trade at a high level, and so I decided to become a client person, foremost, where, within that first month and a half, I learned how to take a couple hundred dollars to over a thousand dollars. But what? But even more importantly, it was during those intimate client conversations, dr Satma, that allowed two independent business owners to find Alignment and reasons to actually go into a partnership and joint venture together. So I, officially speaking, partnered up with him mid February and I'm blessed to have Evolved from client to now president, ceo of a joint venture. Now, of course, yes, I was in the right room for the right people, but you also have to have something to bring to the table right Very explicitly when we were talking. He would not Be comfortable partnering with me if I was not surgically trained because, again, he's a former internal medicine dog. So, number one, that, like that, helped reinforce their relationship. Number two, the fact that I have strings and expertise around leadership development, my Help compensate for what he was weakened and his strings and trading and well creation, was very intriguing to me.

Philip Chan: 21:03

When it comes to Partnerships in business, you always want to. If you're really great at marketing but you suck at sales, but you have someone to fill that gap, then you don't have to do as much work. Like in business there's so much work to be done and you have, first and foremost, you have to have a proven off and then you have to, you have to market that offer and then you have to actually get clients to convert through salesmanship and closing and then you have to fulfill them. Now, when you first start out, it could be a product or service. But let's say you hop on a coaching call and each client takes one hour of their time, like when you get that first client doctor, saturday. That's great. Or it could be a marketing service call, whatever. But help your trading time for money, right, I like how many calls and you realistically do in a day? Right, ten calls maybe. So you'll just at some point think about scalability, right? So, yeah, I would say like commitment, being in the right rooms of the right people where you can leverage other people's strings For your weaknesses so that you can really start scaling your operations.

Philip Chan: 22:04

And then the third one is like never giving up and take massive action, like you can't expect to To accomplish anything great if you didn't, if you didn't do the thing. And that that was a really huge eye-opener for me, which because in medicine we're taught to just learn and learn right. I have two bachelor's of sciences neurobiology and molecular biosciences and I remember when, especially when you're a biology major, you're like shoving information in your head and then you're Regurgitating it on exams. But that's not how the real world in business is done. You have to learn, and that's why I think we would excel by being lifelong learners, but you have to actually go do the thing. So in business is more about doing right from learning. So learning is just like the first half of it.

Dr. Shah-Haque: 22:55

Yeah, and I appreciate that, because a lot of that is this tie-back to medicine and I'm just going to I hit a Pain point for the listener we're not taught these skills. I would agree with you. We're not taught these skills in medicine. It's actually contradictory to the culture of medicine because, heaven forbid, we should start thinking for ourselves and start entering into that entrepreneurship space, because when you take the analytical skills we have as Physicians, we can process an amount, an insane amount of information in a very short period of time. And then I think we get, we block ourselves. Okay, what do I do with it? Heaven forbid, I should be wrong. But I again, I agree you aim, fire or just pull a trigger and see what happens on trying to execute a goal. It's okay to fail, because it's not really failure. It's about learning and growing. That's the only way you grow, whereas in medicine, in any anybody in the science track, you fail a test, you're for lack of better terms you're in the dean's office.

Philip Chan: 24:01

And that's really like incorrect wiring and conditioning. So, like in business, what we say is there's winning and then there's lessons. There's never failure, because if you, on cold, fail at a marketing campaign, we can take certain things from it to tweak it so that the next marketing campaign can be better.

Philip Chan: 24:17

I do have to think that it's also the nature of medicine, right. When we demand high GPA and high MCAT scores is because we want people who are confident to take care of lives at stake, of course, and not that the crux of it all. Like, even a small dosage when it comes to anesthesiology or pathology, right, the one degree off in your splicing of the images can result in drastic ripple effects. In medicine, I think, we're taught to be as surgically precise, as much as possible, be as perfect as you possibly can, because we're dealing with people's lives, fundamentally speaking, and so there should be no mistakes, and that's what's so tough about it, right? But in the real world, in business and entrepreneurship, you should relish in your mistakes, and because you get to learn from it, then you get to take those lessons to make things better than they were previously.

Dr. Shah-Haque: 25:10

So, phillip, you transitioned out of a healthcare career and you started chasing and making it a reality, something that was more true to your nature. And out of everything you've done, what is the number one thing that gives you fulfillment currently?

Philip Chan: 25:33

I would say the thing that really gives me fulfillment is the fact that when I'm working, I'm really not working, because I love doing what I do. I love the contents within what I do right, it's investments related and we also get to impact other people's lives where, when you see clients coming, you know sharing with you how. Thank you so much for transforming our logic, because we were struggling to make five grand a month and now we're able to make five grand a day right. We get testimonials like that all the time. Our top student his name is Igor. He was making about $60,000 a year as a real estate investor and he's now able to trade consistently between 10 to 15 contracts per trading day. And so what that means is he's able to. If you equate that to dollar amounts, he's able to make between 10 to $15,000 a day, and there's 20 trading days when, a month per cent, if he traded all 20 days, we're talking about a monthly salary of $200,000 per month. Now my sister she's a child neurologist up in Tacoma, washington. She makes about $250,000 a year. So if Igor wanted to trade all 20 days, he would basically get very close to her annual salary my sister's annual salary without going through med school and residency and fellowship, because he's able to navigate the future's financial markets the right way.

Philip Chan: 27:00

The most fulfilling part of what I do is not only the nature of the work but on top of that, it's the people who I get to do it with. I love working with my business partner, I love working with our team and it's a family feel over here. So it's different. It's definitely different and refreshing. There's no boundaries held by administrative policies or hospital politics, because if I wanted to groom someone because I recognize their talent and potential, I can do it instantly.

Philip Chan: 27:29

I don't have to wait for him to get an MD before I can teach him surgery right, it's just like let's get things going. I can start including him on meetings. I can have one-on-one trainings with him. I can tell him like hey, this is the level of advancement that makes sense for you, that I think that you're a good candidate for it. Here's what we can start doing to put you on that right trajectory and pathway. There's no limits if that makes sense. So I would say yeah. What makes me really fulfilled is I don't have to diminish my personality. I get to be me. I don't have to be a mew because I'm just studying textbooks or taking mock exams all day. Every day, I get to, through the content of my work, empower others and their financial well-being, and then, on top of that, I have a great team to communicate with every single day, and that makes me super happy.

Dr. Shah-Haque: 28:18

I can see it on your face You're just smiling, oh yeah.

Philip Chan: 28:21

Because you have to realize, right when you work with a competent team, that remember a huge thing about the correct way to approach leadership development is empowerment. When traditional medical hierarchies, there's conversations where it's very much condescending because you're cap, oh, you're at this position, here's my job, here's your job, Do as I say. But in business it's not necessarily the same, Like if you wanted to empower someone and thump their position up. You can actually do that.

Philip Chan: 28:57

Yeah, all of these aspects make me super happy because our team members they recognize that we emphasize that here in our company and in our firm and they know that it's important for us to have someone who are actually capable of making decisions on their own. We actually encourage that. We want them to become leaders in their own right because if something was to happen where I'm in another meeting or I'm handling some other thing, I'm going to feel great knowing that, whatever is happening on the other side, they don't have to always reference me to make a decision. Right, they know from our internal discussions around this project what's expected and if you need to make a decision on it, they're going to. I can trust them. So it's really liberating because I don't have to be a control freak and micromanage everything.

Dr. Shah-Haque: 29:47

Right and for the listener, what that can translate into is knowing your team's strengths and weaknesses, and help them to develop their weaknesses, because you're as weak as your weakest link, but help them to practice at the top of their scope. That is definitely translatable that makes you a more efficient team. But now, phillip, if somebody wanted to replicate what you've done with futures and trading commodities, how could they do that? Let's say, starting out as a side gig to maybe even add to retirement, add to maybe saving up for future endeavors, future or anything.

Philip Chan: 30:31

Yeah, I think that's a great question. So I would say, first and foremost, if you model the actions and footsteps of successful people, you should make sure you put yourself in the right rooms to make sure you learn the right Knowledge, because there's a lot of knowledge out there nowadays when you can learn it. You can be taken away from the truth right, because there's just a long.

Dr. Shah-Haque: 30:54

How could they put themselves in a room with you?

Philip Chan: 30:57

That's a great question for the listeners out there. You can feel free to reference my channel, lee Lang. You can book a call here with me and my team. What we can do is because, if you mentioned that, you came through doctor sadness Podcast, what we can do is make sure we actually give you personal access To our weekly sessions that we host at no obligation. Just be our guest and then we can also fill you in on additional Details of how we do what we do.

Philip Chan: 31:21

Now, the weekly sessions that we host, they're typically for clients only, and on Mondays and Wednesday evenings what we do is we run a Post market analysis, essentially breaking them how things happen and why they happen in the futures financial markets. In the mornings it, for half an hour, is showtime and that's where we proof what we teach at night and we actually trade, live in front of you and we make money in front of you. So a lot of our audience, especially those who are existing clients, what they do is they actually have their trading platform set up and they will trade alongside us. So it's a ratios game. Basically, if you see us make, let's say, you fifty thousand dollars on a $10,000 account, but you're like, what if I don't have $10,000? That's when you just take a zero away and it could be five thousand on a one thousand dollar account or, in the micro markets, $500 on a hundred dollar account.

Philip Chan: 32:17

So it's just about being in the right rooms to the right people and, of course, now that we're having this conversation and you guys being doctor sadness, audience, I have no issue, right, if you book this link here and have a conversation, giving you guys free access for a Week or two just to be immersed in our environment, get exposed to how we do what we do and we can talk more about why is it that you are interested in looking at something like this? Or, specifically, why do you want to pivot to entrepreneurship and Get a better understanding of what is it about medicine that is Creating some sort of pain and limitations in the life that you want to live?

Dr. Shah-Haque: 32:54

No, thank you for that, phillip, and I can attest to that because I've been in on that class, and for me this is a way to help pad the future projection of where I See myself and my family and also to help with that ten year gap that we spent in school and a lot of debt, fire or financial dependents. Retire early is possible. It is possible, philip. The Calendly link will be in the show notes, and is there an email or a social media account where listeners could possibly reach out to you? Yeah, you can find me on.

Philip Chan: 33:31

LinkedIn. Linkedin under Philip Chan. Philip is 1l and All my contacts info is listed there as well. Philip Chan is 1l, so Philip Chan, 3, 3, 3 at email calm, you can reach me there as well, but the count link will be your best bet in finding a good time to have a conversation and we can take that conversation further and see what it is about your current live circumstances that have after listening to this podcast. Create an entry in interest to learn more.

Dr. Shah-Haque: 34:03

Philip, as always, is a pleasure talking to you, so thank you so much for your time for the listeners. If you have found this helpful, share with a friend. Share it on your social media, because we can all use camaraderie and this era of medicine.

Philip Chan: 34:20

Thank you so much. I'm Sam, appreciate you having me on. I.