{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Andres Jimenez Monge","startTime":0.0,"endTime":2.16,"body":"You're"},{"speaker":"Andres Jimenez Monge","startTime":0.0,"endTime":2.16,"body":"listening to the world of birds"},{"speaker":"Andres Jimenez Monge","startTime":2.16,"endTime":3.09,"body":"Canada podcast."},{"speaker":"Andrea Gress","startTime":28.71,"endTime":31.14,"body":"Hey everyone,"},{"speaker":"Andrea Gress","startTime":28.71,"endTime":31.14,"body":"welcome back to the Warblers."},{"speaker":"Andrea Gress","startTime":31.32,"endTime":34.56,"body":"Today we're bringing you even"},{"speaker":"Andrea Gress","startTime":31.32,"endTime":34.56,"body":"more dinosaur content because we"},{"speaker":"Andrea Gress","startTime":34.56,"endTime":37.65,"body":"had a lot of fun with our last"},{"speaker":"Andrea Gress","startTime":34.56,"endTime":37.65,"body":"episode. If you haven't listened"},{"speaker":"Andrea Gress","startTime":37.65,"endTime":41.22,"body":"yet, head back and check it out."},{"speaker":"Andrea Gress","startTime":37.65,"endTime":41.22,"body":"Our producer Jodie layer chatted"},{"speaker":"Andrea Gress","startTime":41.22,"endTime":43.59,"body":"with Francois Tyrian from the"},{"speaker":"Andrea Gress","startTime":41.22,"endTime":43.59,"body":"Royal Tyrrell Museum in"},{"speaker":"Andrea Gress","startTime":43.59,"endTime":47.49,"body":"Drumheller, Alberta. All about"},{"speaker":"Andrea Gress","startTime":43.59,"endTime":47.49,"body":"the connection between birds and"},{"speaker":"Andrea Gress","startTime":47.49,"endTime":51.24,"body":"dinosaurs. 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Why don't the dinosaurs"},{"speaker":"Andrea Gress","startTime":59.91,"endTime":62.46,"body":"in Jurassic Park have feathers"},{"speaker":"Andres Jimenez Monge","startTime":67.8,"endTime":70.17,"body":"when you"},{"speaker":"Andres Jimenez Monge","startTime":67.8,"endTime":70.17,"body":"go birding Francoise from the"},{"speaker":"Andres Jimenez Monge","startTime":70.17,"endTime":73.44,"body":"living birds, which one is the"},{"speaker":"Andres Jimenez Monge","startTime":70.17,"endTime":73.44,"body":"one that will be closest to"},{"speaker":"Andres Jimenez Monge","startTime":73.44,"endTime":74.22,"body":"dinosaurs?"},{"speaker":"Francois Therrain","startTime":74.24,"endTime":77.69,"body":"Usually we"},{"speaker":"Francois Therrain","startTime":74.24,"endTime":77.69,"body":"put passerines passerine birds"},{"speaker":"Francois Therrain","startTime":77.69,"endTime":80.99,"body":"as being the more derived the"},{"speaker":"Francois Therrain","startTime":77.69,"endTime":80.99,"body":"highest on the Fillory"},{"speaker":"Francois Therrain","startTime":81.02,"endTime":84.44,"body":"evolutionary tree. 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So you can imagine hey,"},{"speaker":"Francois Therrain","startTime":147.02,"endTime":150.08,"body":"if the ancestors of chickens"},{"speaker":"Francois Therrain","startTime":147.02,"endTime":150.08,"body":"were there during the"},{"speaker":"Francois Therrain","startTime":150.08,"endTime":152.96,"body":"Cretaceous, maybe a velociraptor"},{"speaker":"Francois Therrain","startTime":150.08,"endTime":152.96,"body":"could eat chicken or"},{"speaker":"Francois Therrain","startTime":152.99,"endTime":157.49,"body":"paleo-chickens. And I actually"},{"speaker":"Francois Therrain","startTime":152.99,"endTime":157.49,"body":"evolved the taste for chicken,"},{"speaker":"Jody Allair","startTime":158.51,"endTime":158.9,"body":"Paleo-chicken"},{"speaker":"Andres Jimenez Monge","startTime":158.93,"endTime":161.36,"body":"good or"},{"speaker":"Andres Jimenez Monge","startTime":158.93,"endTime":161.36,"body":"when I eat chicken? Yeah, when I"},{"speaker":"Andres Jimenez Monge","startTime":161.36,"endTime":164.48,"body":"eat chicken I could it be eaten"},{"speaker":"Andres Jimenez Monge","startTime":161.36,"endTime":164.48,"body":"the same as the Velociraptor was"},{"speaker":"Andres Jimenez Monge","startTime":164.48,"endTime":164.75,"body":"eating"},{"speaker":"Jody Allair","startTime":164.78,"endTime":167.81,"body":"or eaten basically"},{"speaker":"Jody Allair","startTime":164.78,"endTime":167.81,"body":"what a velociraptor would taste"},{"speaker":"Jody Allair","startTime":167.81,"endTime":169.16,"body":"like, potentially right?"},{"speaker":"Andres Jimenez Monge","startTime":169.53,"endTime":172.613,"body":"Oh my God"},{"speaker":"Andres Jimenez Monge","startTime":169.53,"endTime":172.613,"body":"the taste of Velociraptor in my"},{"speaker":"Andres Jimenez Monge","startTime":172.689,"endTime":174.72,"body":"mouth... this is fantastic."},{"speaker":"Jody Allair","startTime":176.94,"endTime":179.799,"body":"Okay, so I have to"},{"speaker":"Jody Allair","startTime":176.94,"endTime":179.799,"body":"follow up on this question of"},{"speaker":"Jody Allair","startTime":179.859,"endTime":183.255,"body":"what are the most primitive"},{"speaker":"Jody Allair","startTime":179.859,"endTime":183.255,"body":"birds and I have to ask about"},{"speaker":"Jody Allair","startTime":183.314,"endTime":186.293,"body":"Jurassic Park. Why does"},{"speaker":"Jody Allair","startTime":183.314,"endTime":186.293,"body":"Velociraptor and the other"},{"speaker":"Jody Allair","startTime":186.353,"endTime":189.987,"body":"theropods in Jurassic Park? Not"},{"speaker":"Jody Allair","startTime":186.353,"endTime":189.987,"body":"have full feathered coatings?"},{"speaker":"Jody Allair","startTime":190.047,"endTime":193.92,"body":"Isn't this a well known thing"},{"speaker":"Jody Allair","startTime":190.047,"endTime":193.92,"body":"now that they should have feathers?"},{"speaker":"Francois Therrain","startTime":193.95,"endTime":196.687,"body":"Yes, that's a"},{"speaker":"Francois Therrain","startTime":193.95,"endTime":196.687,"body":"very good question. The thing"},{"speaker":"Francois Therrain","startTime":196.751,"endTime":200.507,"body":"is, it's all related to the"},{"speaker":"Francois Therrain","startTime":196.751,"endTime":200.507,"body":"ontological discoveries and the"},{"speaker":"Francois Therrain","startTime":200.571,"endTime":204.582,"body":"timing of those discoveries. The"},{"speaker":"Francois Therrain","startTime":200.571,"endTime":204.582,"body":"first Jurassic Park movie came"},{"speaker":"Francois Therrain","startTime":204.645,"endTime":208.465,"body":"out in 1993. So that was a full"},{"speaker":"Francois Therrain","startTime":204.645,"endTime":208.465,"body":"three years before the first"},{"speaker":"Francois Therrain","startTime":208.529,"endTime":212.54,"body":"fossils of feathered dinosaurs"},{"speaker":"Francois Therrain","startTime":208.529,"endTime":212.54,"body":"were discovered. 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First, we had no proof."},{"speaker":"Francois Therrain","startTime":223.808,"endTime":227.501,"body":"And second, we had no idea how"},{"speaker":"Francois Therrain","startTime":223.808,"endTime":227.501,"body":"far down the family tree of"},{"speaker":"Francois Therrain","startTime":227.565,"endTime":231.257,"body":"theropods feathers would be"},{"speaker":"Francois Therrain","startTime":227.565,"endTime":231.257,"body":"found. 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If you look at the"},{"speaker":"Francois Therrain","startTime":308.801,"endTime":312.493,"body":"trailer for the new Jurassic"},{"speaker":"Francois Therrain","startTime":308.801,"endTime":312.493,"body":"Park movie, you'll see that T"},{"speaker":"Francois Therrain","startTime":312.557,"endTime":316.504,"body":"Rex Jurassic. Right now Rex has"},{"speaker":"Francois Therrain","startTime":312.557,"endTime":316.504,"body":"dyno fuzz on its body although"},{"speaker":"Francois Therrain","startTime":316.568,"endTime":320.579,"body":"we don't have any evidence that"},{"speaker":"Francois Therrain","startTime":316.568,"endTime":320.579,"body":"T Rex and fuzz but now they put"},{"speaker":"Francois Therrain","startTime":320.642,"endTime":324.462,"body":"Daniel first and then we see"},{"speaker":"Francois Therrain","startTime":320.642,"endTime":324.462,"body":"some meat eating dinosaurs that"},{"speaker":"Francois Therrain","startTime":324.526,"endTime":328.601,"body":"are fully feathered. 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And then starting in"},{"speaker":"Francois Therrain","startTime":336.495,"endTime":340.57,"body":"the New Jurassic World movie, we"},{"speaker":"Francois Therrain","startTime":340.633,"endTime":342.48,"body":"will see feathered theropods."},{"speaker":"Jody Allair","startTime":344.97,"endTime":347.639,"body":"I feel like the"},{"speaker":"Jody Allair","startTime":344.97,"endTime":347.639,"body":"early creators of Jurassic of"},{"speaker":"Jody Allair","startTime":347.699,"endTime":350.962,"body":"the Jurassic Park movies have"},{"speaker":"Jody Allair","startTime":347.699,"endTime":350.962,"body":"probably never heard of a"},{"speaker":"Jody Allair","startTime":351.021,"endTime":354.344,"body":"Cassowary but I don't think"},{"speaker":"Jody Allair","startTime":351.021,"endTime":354.344,"body":"there is a more intimidating"},{"speaker":"Jody Allair","startTime":354.403,"endTime":355.59,"body":"animal on the planet"},{"speaker":"Francois Therrain","startTime":355.62,"endTime":359.49,"body":"and they are"},{"speaker":"Francois Therrain","startTime":355.62,"endTime":359.49,"body":"very dangerous and vicious. 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Thank you so much."},{"speaker":"Francois Therrain","startTime":372.72,"endTime":374.16,"body":"It was a"},{"speaker":"Francois Therrain","startTime":372.72,"endTime":374.16,"body":"pleasure. Thank you."}]}