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Thanks so much for having"},{"speaker":"Sara Jordan-McLachlan","startTime":1597.89,"endTime":1598.04,"body":"me."},{"speaker":"Andres Jimenez Monge","startTime":1598.07,"endTime":1600.02,"body":"Sarah,"},{"speaker":"Andres Jimenez Monge","startTime":1598.07,"endTime":1600.02,"body":"tell us how you've gotten"},{"speaker":"Andres Jimenez Monge","startTime":1600.02,"endTime":1601.58,"body":"involved in this work. What's"},{"speaker":"Andres Jimenez Monge","startTime":1600.02,"endTime":1601.58,"body":"your goal?"},{"speaker":"Sara Jordan-McLachlan","startTime":1601.7,"endTime":1603.65,"body":"So I came"},{"speaker":"Sara Jordan-McLachlan","startTime":1601.7,"endTime":1603.65,"body":"to the bird friendly Calgary"},{"speaker":"Sara Jordan-McLachlan","startTime":1603.65,"endTime":1606.74,"body":"team through the Calgary"},{"speaker":"Sara Jordan-McLachlan","startTime":1603.65,"endTime":1606.74,"body":"migratory species Response Team,"},{"speaker":"Sara Jordan-McLachlan","startTime":1606.77,"endTime":1609.47,"body":"which is a volunteer"},{"speaker":"Sara Jordan-McLachlan","startTime":1606.77,"endTime":1609.47,"body":"organization in the city that"},{"speaker":"Sara Jordan-McLachlan","startTime":1609.47,"endTime":1612.17,"body":"goes downtown and looks for"},{"speaker":"Sara Jordan-McLachlan","startTime":1609.47,"endTime":1612.17,"body":"birds and bats that have been"},{"speaker":"Sara Jordan-McLachlan","startTime":1612.17,"endTime":1615.26,"body":"affected by window strikes. 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We"},{"speaker":"Sara Jordan-McLachlan","startTime":1632.75,"endTime":1634.22,"body":"are all"},{"speaker":"Sara Jordan-McLachlan","startTime":1632.75,"endTime":1634.22,"body":"volunteers on our team."},{"speaker":"Andrea Gress","startTime":1634.55,"endTime":1636.2,"body":"And so you're"},{"speaker":"Andrea Gress","startTime":1634.55,"endTime":1636.2,"body":"working to get the City of"},{"speaker":"Andrea Gress","startTime":1636.2,"endTime":1640.01,"body":"Calgary certified as bird"},{"speaker":"Andrea Gress","startTime":1636.2,"endTime":1640.01,"body":"friendly? How would you say that"},{"speaker":"Andrea Gress","startTime":1640.01,"endTime":1642.59,"body":"process is going how bird"},{"speaker":"Andrea Gress","startTime":1640.01,"endTime":1642.59,"body":"friendly is it currently."},{"speaker":"Sara Jordan-McLachlan","startTime":1642.65,"endTime":1645.35,"body":"So last"},{"speaker":"Sara Jordan-McLachlan","startTime":1642.65,"endTime":1645.35,"body":"May, Calgary actually became one"},{"speaker":"Sara Jordan-McLachlan","startTime":1645.35,"endTime":1649.67,"body":"of the first four cities in"},{"speaker":"Sara Jordan-McLachlan","startTime":1645.35,"endTime":1649.67,"body":"Canada to be certified. So we"},{"speaker":"Sara Jordan-McLachlan","startTime":1649.7,"endTime":1653.51,"body":"along with Toronto, London and"},{"speaker":"Sara Jordan-McLachlan","startTime":1649.7,"endTime":1653.51,"body":"Vancouver were certified. 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But we've also got"},{"speaker":"Sara Jordan-McLachlan","startTime":1667.04,"endTime":1669.98,"body":"some work to do in mitigating"},{"speaker":"Sara Jordan-McLachlan","startTime":1669.98,"endTime":1672.41,"body":"the threats to birds and"},{"speaker":"Sara Jordan-McLachlan","startTime":1669.98,"endTime":1672.41,"body":"wildlife in general."},{"speaker":"Andres Jimenez Monge","startTime":1672.44,"endTime":1674.3,"body":"And so"},{"speaker":"Andres Jimenez Monge","startTime":1672.44,"endTime":1674.3,"body":"what's the value of working"},{"speaker":"Andres Jimenez Monge","startTime":1674.3,"endTime":1677.06,"body":"towards making your city more"},{"speaker":"Andres Jimenez Monge","startTime":1674.3,"endTime":1677.06,"body":"bird friendly?"},{"speaker":"Sara Jordan-McLachlan","startTime":1677.12,"endTime":1679.13,"body":"Well, for"},{"speaker":"Sara Jordan-McLachlan","startTime":1677.12,"endTime":1679.13,"body":"one, it's a badge of honor. 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It's going"},{"speaker":"Andrea Gress","startTime":1749.27,"endTime":1752.69,"body":"to feel good to be there and"},{"speaker":"Andrea Gress","startTime":1749.27,"endTime":1752.69,"body":"hear the bird song."},{"speaker":"Sara Jordan-McLachlan","startTime":1752.78,"endTime":1753.53,"body":"Absolutely."},{"speaker":"Andres Jimenez Monge","startTime":1753.62,"endTime":1757.1,"body":"Why focus"},{"speaker":"Andres Jimenez Monge","startTime":1753.62,"endTime":1757.1,"body":"on birds? Why not a wider vide"},{"speaker":"Andres Jimenez Monge","startTime":1757.1,"endTime":1758.24,"body":"versity approach?"},{"speaker":"Sara Jordan-McLachlan","startTime":1758.3,"endTime":1760.46,"body":"Well,"},{"speaker":"Sara Jordan-McLachlan","startTime":1758.3,"endTime":1760.46,"body":"biodiversity in general, it's a"},{"speaker":"Sara Jordan-McLachlan","startTime":1760.46,"endTime":1765.2,"body":"very big, big topic. 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I"},{"speaker":"Andres Jimenez Monge","startTime":1891.5,"endTime":1894.41,"body":"remember I think that in the"},{"speaker":"Andres Jimenez Monge","startTime":1894.41,"endTime":1897.38,"body":"case of Vancouver, they got the"},{"speaker":"Andres Jimenez Monge","startTime":1894.41,"endTime":1897.38,"body":"city bird got more votes than"},{"speaker":"Andres Jimenez Monge","startTime":1897.38,"endTime":1902.63,"body":"the mayor. So tell us about"},{"speaker":"Andres Jimenez Monge","startTime":1897.38,"endTime":1902.63,"body":"selecting the city's bird. How"},{"speaker":"Andres Jimenez Monge","startTime":1902.63,"endTime":1904.46,"body":"is that going? When can people"},{"speaker":"Andres Jimenez Monge","startTime":1902.63,"endTime":1904.46,"body":"vote?"},{"speaker":"Sara Jordan-McLachlan","startTime":1904.49,"endTime":1907.25,"body":"Sure. 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