Step beyond the veil where the realms of science and the supernatural collide, in an episode that promises to stretch the limits of your beliefs. My conversation with Mr. Anderson and Chris unveils the enigmatic world of the CIA's 1983 paranormal research, revealing studies that blur the lines between reality and the unimaginable. We navigate the murky legacy of Operation Paperclip and the notorious MKUltra, examining how moral boundaries were crossed in quests for mind control and psychic warfare. As we intertwine historical strands, prepare for a journey through a tapestry of conspiracy theories and government experiments that might just make you question everything you think you know.
Haunted by the ghosts of Cold War tensions and technological advancements of 1983, we dissect a year fraught with political intrigue and near-catastrophic events. Unearthing ties between the Hinkley and Bush families, exploring Reagan's assassination attempt, and delving into the chilling "what ifs" of the Soviet Union's reactions to NATO exercises, we shine a light on covert historical narratives. The chapter on government experiments invites you to peer into the chilling history of the Montauk Project, while the recurring "Cameron" surname becomes a thread pulling us through a labyrinth of conspiracy theories.
As if plucked from the darkest corners of science fiction, discussions of the Montauk Monster and speculation on government-sanctioned genetic experimentation send shivers down the spine. Yet it's not all shadow and dread; we balance the foreboding with insights into the powers of the human mind and the potential of psychic abilities. Join me as we uncover a world where fact and fiction merge, and stay vigilant—we’re here to uncover truths that may have otherwise remained cloaked in the shadows.
Step beyond the veil where the realms of science and the supernatural collide, in an episode that promises to stretch the limits of your beliefs. My conversation with Mr. Anderson and Chris unveils the enigmatic world of the CIA's 1983 paranormal research, revealing studies that blur the lines between reality and the unimaginable. We navigate the murky legacy of Operation Paperclip and the notorious MKUltra, examining how moral boundaries were crossed in quests for mind control and psychic warfare. As we intertwine historical strands, prepare for a journey through a tapestry of conspiracy theories and government experiments that might just make you question everything you think you know.
Haunted by the ghosts of Cold War tensions and technological advancements of 1983, we dissect a year fraught with political intrigue and near-catastrophic events. Unearthing ties between the Hinkley and Bush families, exploring Reagan's assassination attempt, and delving into the chilling "what ifs" of the Soviet Union's reactions to NATO exercises, we shine a light on covert historical narratives. The chapter on government experiments invites you to peer into the chilling history of the Montauk Project, while the recurring "Cameron" surname becomes a thread pulling us through a labyrinth of conspiracy theories.
As if plucked from the darkest corners of science fiction, discussions of the Montauk Monster and speculation on government-sanctioned genetic experimentation send shivers down the spine. Yet it's not all shadow and dread; we balance the foreboding with insights into the powers of the human mind and the potential of psychic abilities. Join me as we uncover a world where fact and fiction merge, and stay vigilant—we’re here to uncover truths that may have otherwise remained cloaked in the shadows.
Thank you In 1983, the CIA published a report titled Research in Human Paranormal Capabilities. This document explored various aspects of paranormal abilities and the potential implications. Here are some key points the Gateway Experience the report discussed the concept of the quote. Gateway experience unquote suggesting that altered states of human consciousness might allow individuals to transcend space and time. While this idea remains speculative, highlights and interest in exploring the paranormal phenomenon continue. It continued into Chinese research. The report covered research conducted in China on human paranormal capabilities. Research in China investigated various phenomena, including removing objects from sealed containers. It also did an experiment exploring the amplification of psychic abilities, transmission of sensations through channels, human psychic vision.
Speaker 2:And the report calls for understanding. The report emphasized the need to overcome psychic inhibitions and acknowledge the existence of paranormal events. Now I did this little search just for the show to overcome psychic inhibitions and acknowledge the existence of paranormal events. Now I did this little search just for the show to open up and this is going to be kind of an extension of the year and conspiracies we've done here with Paratruther. We covered 1913, 1947, 1979.
Speaker 2:This is 1983, and I've been talking to Mr Anderson and Chris over the last month or so about this CIA document that was released in 1983, which is really the precursor to what we understand and both my researchers here know more than I do on this, but this is like the precursor to what we understand is some of the myth and lore around stranger things. Right, and when I went to look up this document at the end of this, the little AI here on the search engine it tells me you can also go to the CIA FOIA website and click on the link. I'm not clicking on a CIA website, okay, I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 2:You never all the side of my screen here. They're all. It's all here for you to see. You can go click on the declassified CIA documents. But again, this is going to be a fun show because I think definitely, looking at the notes that Mr Anderson sent me last night and seeing all the links that Chris sent me and this is one of Chris's wheelhouses I think we're going to have a fun show. This is Paratrooper. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back. I want to welcome Mr Anderson back to his own show. Thank you for your brain sir, thanks for being here.
Speaker 3:Oh, thank you, and thanks for never telling me to not click on those.
Speaker 2:CIA links. Well, I mean, you're a grown man and you can make your own decisions. You're a PhD scientist. I have to tell you not to do that but, but funny.
Speaker 3:You mentioned that you know the patterning aspect of this, where you can take items from jars. That's actually where that hostess line. Where's the cream filling? That's where it came from, oh is that.
Speaker 2:It is that. Yeah, at montauk, that's also. This is probably. Is it that the year that wendy's did where's the beef that? Maybe they removed it with their mind. Yes, chris, exactly how are you sir?
Speaker 4:welcome. I clicked on the uh on the website you were talking about, and now I'm now I'm being accused of being the third man on the grass, you know, so thank you very much okay, great, well I.
Speaker 2:If you're shot in the back of the head twice and then your suicide note is written in crayon, I'll know. I know you did it.
Speaker 4:Um, thanks my yeah. My suicide note is on an etch-a-sketch currently.
Speaker 2:Yeah that's good. Uh, oh, it's on. It's on signal, so it disappears, exactly. Well, where do you guys want to start? So this is where I had this idea when I put it in the group text. I was like this is floating around different podcasts over the years and I noticed it was like cumulative. In the last six months I've heard different podcasts continue to mention this declassified document and then some other things related, related to paranormal, and I just said let's look into this. And then, of course, that conversation started and I knew that it had it touched on what you know, the the stranger things aspect and the montauk stuff. So where do you guys want to start? Who wants to start first? I mean, I, mr anderson's, got like 80 pages of notes that he sent.
Speaker 3:That's not's not true. Oh it's 79. By like five.
Speaker 4:Go for it. Mr Anderson, I'll piggyback on what you got. I have probably a different perspective than what most have on that, on Camp Hero, so to speak.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean just very briefly. I think the origin story here is deeply rooted in so many with regards to Operation Paperclip, where there is this undertaking to identify abducted and coerced Nazi scientists to start helping us out. We were in competition with the Soviets in this enterprise at the end of World War II. So you saw this, you know publicly. You know your people are often distracted by seeing Warner Von Braun do a circle jerk with Walt Disney on the wonderful world of Disney. But in the in the meantime, in parallel to that, you have this untouchable class of Americans that were preyed on and that there were these terrible experiments associated with MKUltra that were being conducted on them. And you know this gets kind of just blown up into ridiculous proportions sometimes.
Speaker 3:But I challenge some people just to look at the background that's recently. For instance, look at Montreal and the Allen Memorial Institute at McGill University and the research that was being conducted by Dr Cameron there. I mean they basically reduced patients at the sanitarium in Canada to a childlike state and family members of those patients sued. And then the royal courts in Canada said you cannot sue the US government, which was kind of the idea I guess the CIA had all along to kind of insulate them from any repercussions, but this stuff really did happen. So I think the things we're going to talk about regarding the gateway process, montauk project it's that's really where it comes from, and with that I'll pass it off to you, chris.
Speaker 4:Well, I, I've been looking at this for a long time. There was a researcher by the name of John Quinn he went by the name of News Hawk in the late 1990s I was actually he kind of disappeared around 9-11. And then I found out why he disappeared around 9-11. And the reason that he had said and I kind of figured this was that once 9-11 happened he realized that it was much too dangerous for him to continue research because he was actually one of the first people to talk about JFK Jr's death, princess Diana Columbine and the other shooters and everything stuff that Donald Jeffries and myself like we would look into, especially Donald with his book Hidden History.
Speaker 4:I was able to find John Quinn and connect Donald and Mr Quinn for an episode of TFR going back maybe three years now.
Speaker 4:And the weirdest part about the conversation between the two of them and it was pretty weird, because I mean their conversation, I mean TFR didn't have the best, I guess, technology or the best equipment towards the end, I mean Mr Quinn really couldn't keep a signal when it came.
Speaker 4:You know that could be anything or whatever, but it just seemed like their conversation was being interrupted and I guess you could say that there's all kinds of different things that could have been causing that, but he started talking about Camp Hero, which was the Montauk Project, and he made the claims that when he was a child on Long Island which is where Montauk Island, at the tail end of Long Island, that's where this military installation was located he made the claims that when he was a child, on vacation, like throughout like the early 70s I believe, he was experimented on there along with some of his friends and if you go back and you look, there were a lot of children and homeless people that ended up disappearing around this, like around this area, people that ended up disappearing around this area.
Speaker 4:And I guess the main thesis or the main idea is that these kidnapped people, whether they were homeless or just regular children from regular families or whatever, were being used in experiments in terms of parapsychology, time travel experiments. Some people connect Montauk with the Philadelphia experiments from the 40s. Some people think that the Philadelphia experiment, the ship, ended up in 1984 at Montauk.
Speaker 2:I mean it's really hard Talk about the Philadelphia Experiment for those who don't know what that is.
Speaker 4:Well, the Philadelphia Experiment was. The idea behind that was to try to make a warship invisible, right, and some people they interpret that in different ways, whether it was literally invisible, like the actual ship is invisible to everybody, to everything, or the other way that most conventional scientists and historians will say invisible on radar to their enemies.
Speaker 4:Most people, like myself, they like to think that it was actually to turn the ship invisible like literally flip it into another dimension or just outside of the timeline or something using exactly, and the idea was that the crew that was on the ship, they, when they, when it went into that other dimension that you just mentioned, they ended up having horrible, horrible side effects, like, and they were in intense pain, as it was described and chris.
Speaker 3:Weren't there two brothers um, there were two brothers and brothers, and those were the ones who supposedly literally jumped ship inside this wormhole or whatever, and duncan cameron supposedly said he was transported directly 40 years in the future to Montauk, to.
Speaker 4:Montauk in 1984, from 1944. And the idea was that the people that ended up making it to 1984, that were still on the ship that didn't jump ship, like you just mentioned, they ended up having to be taken out because they were literally in agonizing pain. I don't mean to laugh, but I don't. It's not really something to laugh about, but like if that was the case, they, uh, what had happened was everything that made up their their biology, like biological makeup and everything in terms of molecules was in flux or it got fused together, and that it was just a very horrible, horrible way in that they literally had to be taken out, like when they made it to the future, because just out of mercy, basically.
Speaker 2:And that's pretty much what I have on that and uh, that's pretty much what I have on that. Um, it's kind of an extension of what mr anderson was saying earlier. Uh, about operation paperclip, because if you go back towards the end of world war ii, you had the nazi bell, like this mysterious bell right, and uh, they were working this again. There's drawn, there's schematics, and bernard von braun was part of that and there was a whole host of things.
Speaker 4:That bell we've seen over Pennsylvania, a bell that was very similar to the Gluckenschloss I can't even pronounce it Gluckenschloss. I didn't take German very well, the Gluckenschloss or Gluckenschein.
Speaker 3:Anyway, be careful what you're saying now yeah, I was probably too.
Speaker 4:The goat and the man. Yeah, the goat and the man, or whatever. No, but this bell, uh, a bell that was very similar to that. I'm a horse's ass folks, sorry about that.
Speaker 4:Um, yeah, no, uh, a bell that was very similar to that was actually reported over pennsylvania crashed in pennsylvania yeah in the 60s actually leaked some kind of molten fluid, leaked onto the car with a grandmother and her grandson, I believe, actually harming them, and it looked suspiciously like the Nazi bell that a lot of people think was possibly a time travel vehicle of some sort.
Speaker 2:And it seems like there's some kind of extension in that research going on through this. You know, after the end of World War II, I'd like to. We can continue on in that line of logic, but and again- and the real society comes into play.
Speaker 2:The real society and, of course, the top Nazis and the things, because that was the competition at the end of World War II, to see who get the like between the Soviets and the Americans to get the best Nazis. Our Nazis are better than yours. They really raced to get all the Look. We were talking earlier about Walt Disney and Werther von Braun. He developed the V2 rocket and the terror over London and all that stuff during the war. Then all of a sudden it's cool now because he's our guy, we're going to build these rockets. There's a whole host of research. You also get fluoride being introduced into the water supply, some of the things that supposedly they were like hey, do you not do that I?
Speaker 3:love that. That's in Dr Strangelove, Remember. He loses his mind. He's like they're trying to deprive us of our special bodily fluids or whatever Precious bodily fluids.
Speaker 2:It was that and the fact that Kubrick really captured Dr Strangelove as a Nazi right Right trying to do the Nazi salute. That really happened and then, like a lot of that, the same stuff was the experiments and psychedelics and drugs and all the things that I mean you've seen, like the videos of like Hitler at the Olympics in 63 and he's just kind of shaking and doing like that Like he was so hyped up, but they, they had those same kind of experiments going on with their, their elite, with the drug class and everything else. But that's like mk ultra and lsd and some of the other things that were developed. Uh, post-world war ii and I've heard a lot of researchers say it wasn't just about making assassins. Mk ultra was about like transcend, like having a like trying to create another, a viewpoint into another dimension with people and consciousness and other things. Like that kind of started. The psychedelic revolution that we're seeing today was like it's all over the place, it's ubiquitous, is everywhere, it's like the dmt thing and you can go talk.
Speaker 2:He goes back to the manson charlie, uh, charles manson with uh his cia connections when he was in prison not only that, but you know the hate ashbury Clinic in 1967, the Summer of Love, and who was working the clinic. It was, I believe, was Jolly and West.
Speaker 4:Jolly and West Dr, West Yep, that's right.
Speaker 2:And then after that everybody knows who Charlie and the family is right.
Speaker 4:Yeah, exactly, and not only Charlie and the family. But if you look at both of that, you look at the poor version of the 60s, right, the poor or the less fortunate of the 60s was the hippies, right, the hippies and the anti-war movement, which is a way that they were able to bring down the anti-war movement with, oh, charlie's family, because that was one of the last things of the 60s to come up, and that has the CIA and psychedelicsics all over the fingerprints all over it. But then you look at the more well-to-do version of that and it was, um, it was, uh, what's her name? Okay?
Speaker 4:uh, you have to help me here, um, patty hurst right patty hurst was the well-to-do version, like the other flip side of the coin in terms of my manipulation and everything the weather underground the weather underground and patty hurst who I've I've tried to get on, don show a bunch, but she won't return my calls was it sds?
Speaker 2:they had the students for democratic society, the weather underground that's right, yeah, and then you have well, and then the whole revolution of the 60s was kind of co-opted. You have timothy leary was on the cia payroll, and so was gloria steinem, so like abby hoffman too abby hoffman right yeah, a lot of people don't realize that either.
Speaker 4:A lot of these anti-war people were propped up by the CIA. Bill Ayers.
Speaker 2:How do you bomb things and then also become a professor and then you also mentor the future president?
Speaker 4:You don't, tony. That's the answer, it's all an accident.
Speaker 2:Folks, there's no connections here. Stop looking, stop asking questions, Just turn on the news, sorry.
Speaker 4:Mr Anderson, sorry I cut asking questions. Uh, just turn on the news. Sorry, mr anderson, sorry I cut you off. What are you sorry for? No, the, the mispronouncing the nazi bell, the glock, chikarzo, steen or whatever it was sorry I don't think anybody will fault you for that.
Speaker 2:I I didn't know how to pronounce it either, so I just stayed out of the. You had the courage, sir, to charge the hill.
Speaker 3:I'm really limited to like wiener schnitzel bless you but I say it different ways. There are different inflections when I use it, and that's how I communicate in german there you go.
Speaker 2:It's like when jfk spoke at the berlin wall, as it said, ich bin ein berliner, and I think it's it translated into I am a frankfurter, or something.
Speaker 4:Yes, everybody went what?
Speaker 2:because he was supposed to say I'm from berlin too, like I'm he's calling, saying and I'm in solidarity, but it just kind of the way he said it.
Speaker 4:The phrase he was like I'm a, I am it been, I'm berliner that's like me saying I uh oscar meyer wiener, right here, there you go folks.
Speaker 2:Merry Christmas. There you go, merry Christmas.
Speaker 4:You're welcome.
Speaker 2:Sorry I cut you off. Well, let's. So we've got. I'm going to talk a little bit more about 1983. And then Chris sent me some links because it's like weird years in history, that's one of them. It's one of those keeps coming up and if you really pay it, like I'm, I'm a podcast junkie, so that's what I do. I'm like if I'm not working, I'm going to listen to some, you know, listen to some of my favorite podcasts and listen to research, because I pick up ideas from that and that's where my, my brain goes when I'm not thinking about work and precious metals and stuff.
Speaker 4:Well, if you look at 1984 in general, right, tony, I mean that's an apex year right there, I mean with orwell and just in general, you know what I mean like, uh, new world order kind of stuff. You know it was the year after I was hatched, I mean. So you know we have all kinds of weird things going on around that time period you know of course, yeah, you do, yeah, I mean, we just the fact that you were hatched, chris he finally, illuminati blizzard confirmed.
Speaker 4:Ladies and gentlemen, he came from an egg yeah, but I have none of their wealthy resources. So there you go, he's been abandoned uh he was yeah that's funny, yeah, so let's.
Speaker 2:I looked at some at some key things that happened. Of course, 1983 had the Beirut bombing. There was 240-some-odd Marines that were killed. Later Reagan would say it was the last day in office. He saluted a Marine on the way out and said Lebanon was my greatest mistake because he left them in there and he should have pulled them out. Lebanon was my greatest mistake because he left them in there and he should have pulled them out. But he also that's the same year, reagan called the Soviet Union an evil empire. No-transcript. I remember reading something about and I don't know, I think it's right before Mikhail Gorbachev came to power, but they kept losing. The leader of the Soviet Union, brezhnev, died right at the end of 79, 80 or so, when Reagan was elected, and then the next guy died and Reagan said I go meet with them. They keep dying on me like the, the premier of the soviet union. So there was uh, there was some, and of course reagan was shot um at the beat, like in, like the cup, two months into his presidency uh and by who?
Speaker 3:well I don't know.
Speaker 4:There was a second gunman there and I'll stand by that. Uh, we, I talked to donald jeffries about that. Uh, woodruff, um, the reporter woodruff said um that on the air once she was allowed to say at once that, uh, there was a guy that was dressed in secret service clothing, that was shooting from the awning from above not john hinkley, but a guy from above with a long rifle that looked like he was secret service.
Speaker 2:Well, in the way, and that's all the first thing you think of when you think of Hinkley. Like his brother was supposed to be having a lunch, a scheduled lunch like the next day, with one of the Bushes and a major contributor to the Bush campaign and friends of the Bush family.
Speaker 4:Yeah, exactly, just like the not unlike, you know George HW Bush on 9-11 with his business partner Bin Laden's brother Carlisle.
Speaker 2:He was the Ritz Carlton. Yeah, Ritz Carlton, with the Carlisle group, with the Bin Ladens, on 9-11.
Speaker 4:Exactly, and also George DeMoran Shield. Lee Harvey Oswald's best friend was really good friends with with george hw bush in 1963 too, and he's one of the uh poppy bush was one of the only people that can't. They could not remember exactly where they were on november 22nd 1963 there's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2:There's, there's the chris graves. I know and love all the stuff it did like the connective wheelhouse. There it goes, ladies and gents, that's a work of art. Some of these and I'll go through as we we're going to throw it back to Mr Anderson here in a second, but I was thinking about the tensions in the world is so different. You know, we're talking 40 years ago. 41 years ago, september 26, 1983, the Soviet Union's early warning system detected an incoming missile strike from the United States. It was a false alarm. The Soviet nuclear early warning system, oko, reported the launch of one intercontinental ballistic missile, followed by four more missiles. However, these warnings were suspected to be false alarms by Stanzelov Petrov, an engineer at the Soviet Defense Forces. Petrov decided to wait for corroborating evidence rather than immediately relaying the warning up the chain of command. Well, thank god for him right, I mean yeah, this is again.
Speaker 2:This is the tensions. The soviet union put fighter bombers loaded with nuclear bombs on 24-hour alert in east germany during a nato nuclear weapons command exercise in November of 1983, and the alert included preparations for the immediate use of nuclear weapons. According to newly released US intelligence records, very close Cold War tensions and this is like just coming off the heels of Reagan was ramping up SDI, which that was going to be the plan. Up SDI, which that was going to be the plan If you reverse engineer those years. That was the plan to accelerate the decline of the Soviet Union by putting the output of crude oil on the market in the Middle East. It's our close ties to the House of Saud, so we started dumping oil onto the market heavily. That's where you have the petrodollar.
Speaker 2:And the Soviet Union's, whose Russia and its mass land reserves were their key economic income, was oil. So they started to suffer economically because of the world market being saturated with Saudi oil and Reagan releasing. And then SDI, which was the Strategic Defense Initiative, also known as Star Wars. That's one of the things that Reagan pushed really hard. And again, I'm a conspiracy researcher. I come from a background of history and politics research, so I understand when everybody's going to go, but it's not even real. I got it. I was telling you the overlay. That was the Cold War, at least the act. I'm telling you about the play.
Speaker 4:What were you saying? They say wouldn't be real.
Speaker 2:Well, you know, if you, well, if you, if you're an alternative media, you're going to hit a certain amount of the audiences like politics aren't real and the cold war is not real. And you know, I, I got it. Folks, I hear what you're saying. A lot of politics is scripted, you know. I believe that, like FDR said, if it happens in politics you can bet it was planned. However, I do think there are real key struggles and power things. This is Machiavellian moves. There's probably the play that's out front and there's the play behind the scenes. Ok, so we can talk about the periphery. At least this is the stuff that they're telling you. You don't really. There's probably classified stuff that we might never know that was happening, and I think this is pretty apparent if you believe in things like majestic.
Speaker 4:I just wanted to clarify that because I wasn't sure what exactly you meant. But now I know exactly what you meant. Yeah, there's different lines to this.
Speaker 2:There's different lines. Yeah, we're not. We're not saying that's the. The only thing that was happening, at least that's the periphery or that's the, that's the projection of it. So a lot of cold war, tensions, and check this out. This is something interesting. On january 1st 1983, the arpanet officially changes to using internet protocol, creating the internet. Okay, it's the, it's arpanet, which is darpa, arpa, darpa, right, uh, and that's the defense advanced research project. But that's where you get the internet starts in 1968. The same year they started construction on the world trade centers and stanley kubrick releases 2001. But this is another key date where they actually get the internet, the ip, the internet protocol, and creates the, the network, right, not just the technology.
Speaker 4:You want to know who is one of the first people to send, officially send the first electronic, uh, the, the first email from, like hawaii to los angeles? I believe al gore. What is al gore for? 600? Yeah, 600, alex, no, arthur c clark, actually, um, yes, of all people, he was one of the first people to send the first electronic mail email folks and I think it was actually to the filmmaker that was um adapting 2010, the second book in his series it's funny that you mentioned electronic mail, because I I think of him wasn't, didn't he, like, spent a bunch of time down in thailand?
Speaker 2:and mr anderson, arthur c clark that was where it came from.
Speaker 4:It wasn't hawaii. I meant thailand. Yeah, when you said thailand, it was the first email ever sent was by arthur c clark, I believe from thailand there was some anybody that's interested in that little tidbit of history.
Speaker 2:Look at that up.
Speaker 4:Arthur c clark, thailand and tom hanks mr electronic mail if you look at, look at, look at mr tom hanks, right with covid and everything the the typewriter.
Speaker 3:You've got mail.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I see what you did.
Speaker 2:You've got mail.
Speaker 4:It's M-A-L-E for me. I'm talking about, like there's something you should check out Arthur C Clarke, thailand. There's weird stuff there. Well, tom Hanks was supposed to be the writer and director of the third book, 3001, the Final Odyssey, back in 2001, before 9-11, right after spielberg. Didn't he finish? Spielberg cast on it there, so they're always seeing he's right there together it might not mean anything, but when you just say I'll leave it right there, yeah, just just look up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what only only paratrooper would completely go off the rails into Arthur C Clarke.
Speaker 3:What are we talking about?
Speaker 2:Mr Anderson's. Like I did 70 hours of research.
Speaker 4:But my notes, I don't see it.
Speaker 2:All right.
Speaker 4:Mr Anderson Okay, let's go, here we go. You're talking about Arthur.
Speaker 2:C Clarke's pedophilia.
Speaker 4:You're talking about Bush's brother having dinner with Lee Harvey Oswald? No, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3:Very close, though that wouldn't surprise me, okay, I just know what the trigger word is for Chris and it's, and who shot him.
Speaker 4:It's a.
Speaker 2:German word he can't pronounce.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's how my Etch-A-Sketch show back there that's the phrase the Glocktree scheme.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there you go. Well, so you're talking about, let's go back to the philadelphia experiment and and you, you have the uh supposed transference of the ship and using, I'm sure, like electromagnetic, some kind of pulse thing, something that would disrupt space time or whatever, we don't know. Maybe the same kind of technology they use for the the nazi bell, right, but we don't know. Uh, but this is speculative but.
Speaker 4:But on the surface it was supposed to be for the public. Now that the way they try to explain it now is that on the surface it was not literally supposed to be invisible, but invisible to the enemy on radar, like cloaking.
Speaker 3:Cloaking Stealth type.
Speaker 4:Or the stealth type Exactly.
Speaker 2:But what you mentioned earlier is the transference of supposedly transference of the brothers right into 1984. Into Montauk. Right, you want to pick up there, is there something? Is this an extension of our story into montauk? Right, we want to pick up there, is there something? This is an extension of our story of montauk and the experiments there we definitely want to talk about you know, stranger things yeah, chris was really uh excited about this, this topic, so I mean I'll hand it off to you.
Speaker 3:But do you know a lot about priston nichols? I mean, a lot of it came from the book he published in 92, right. Yeah, and how he served as deputy director of the Montauk Project.
Speaker 3:And so somebody he worked with previously was one of those guys, one of those sailors who jumped ship, one of the brothers named Duncan Cameron, and apparently, I mean I think a lot of Preston Nichols books and writings got more fantastic as he kept writing more and he even admitted to fabricating details, right, but he started getting business coming his way after he mentioned the Montauk boys like you were alluding to, chris Usually people who are hard up and children of the male variety who I guess didn't have many people looking for them.
Speaker 3:Maybe they were, you know, foster or orphan. They were unloved, unloved, uncared about, and that's who this program preyed on primarily. And so the weird thing to me, chris and I'd love to hear your thoughts on this but a lot of these Montauk boys, or people who might've believed that they're part of that process and started remembering things that they'd been programmed not to remember, came to Preston Nichols and asked for deprogramming, and the way I read it and it was described to me it seemed like it was of a sexual nature and he was deprogramming in quotes a lot of boys or young men at this time I think they were all of consenting age but who had mental problems and deficiencies. So yeah, would you like to comment on that?
Speaker 4:Yeah, it followed the same roadmap, unfortunately, of the MKUltra experiments, where sexual torture and just torture in general were used to try to create a split personality.
Speaker 4:It's basically the same exact thing as the MKUltra program, but on Montauk Island, which would also include things like time travel experiments, you know, visibility things, interdimensional travel, even to other planets, which kind of opens it up to later on. There were certain programs that were said to have occurred, occurred that involved Barack Obama of all people, and other people to the dark side of the moon, not even the dark side of the moon, of our own moon, but the underground of Mars. And it's very hard to substantiate a lot of these claims. But I do believe that Jesse Ventura, on his show Conspiracy Theory that used to be on Court TV, it turned into True TV. They did an episode where they talked about how there were these experiments going on of the CIA and his mother ended up on Mars with a couple of other observers, if you will, I don't know how you know, I don't know how much I buy into that because when you look at what they presented for their their paperwork on that, it's kind of hard to substantiate a lot of that.
Speaker 3:So, larry Sinclair, if I'm understanding correctly was a Montauk boy. That's what you're saying, Larry.
Speaker 4:Sinclair, I'm just playing.
Speaker 3:Remember Larry Sinclair? He was the one who accused Obama. Yeah Right, I think it was Joe Biden's son who went after him.
Speaker 4:Right, right, well, there was that but that. But also, like I was saying, there was a gentleman named john quinn. That's who I like I've actually got to talk to and donald jeffries got to talk to. He made the claim that he had repressed memories of, unfortunately, a dark sexual nature from when he was a child, and I tend to believe him. I don't know, I like, call me, call me crazy, call me nutty or whatever, but I I kind of got a good feeling for when I I talked to witnesses of various incidents throughout the years. I have a friend that survived Columbine. She ended up seeing multiple shooters that were not a part of the official story. I tend to believe her.
Speaker 3:The thing that gets me about this, Chris, is it's interwoven with so many details that we know are true regarding the depravity associated with MKUltra experiments and the exploitation or praying and abuse of children or the class of untouchables I referenced earlier in the show right, People we don't care about. Oh, they have a spiritual affliction with addiction. We don't care about them.
Speaker 4:No, I care about them Right.
Speaker 3:I know you do and I do too.
Speaker 4:Society at large kind of throws them away like garbage.
Speaker 3:But this story, the MomTalk Project, has a lot of those key elements, but then you feel like it's being exploited itself to make it seem like those details are ridiculous, because there are other Montauk boys who came out. I think his name was Stuart Swerdlow. He claimed to be a Montauk boy who was abused much the same way you're describing. He also claims to speak 10 languages. He was arrested by the Illati, has alien dna spliced into his own, can travel hyperspace of atlantis go into that because I don't I.
Speaker 4:I haven't even touched upon that please.
Speaker 3:He probably sells holy water at three o'clock in the morning on it it's a limit.
Speaker 2:That's what they do. It's the limit called a limited hangout. That's an actual term from intelligence, where you take you if you want to destroy something that is overbearingly. You know where you've got something in your face that's real and you can prove it. You say no, that's not real because it's kind of what they did with q anon over the last you know five, six years, where it's like q anon would throw out all this stuff about the Federal Reserve and real conspiracy and the deep state and so on and corruption, and then they go but also JFK Jr is alive and he's going to be president, like that's how. And you'd be like what? None of that's real, you know, and like I told you, tony.
Speaker 3:I mean one of the things to me about this story even though it's fantastic and so much of it's just OK about this story, even though it's fantastic and so much of it's just okay, this is what everybody's saying. They're sticking to their stories. All the stories being true depend on everybody keeping their story up. But that name, cameron, the last name of the two brothers, right, that's central to the Montauk Project story insofar as it relates to the USS Eldridge, so far as it relates to the USS Eldridge. But I mentioned, remember that lawsuit. I mentioned the guy who's the head, the director of that research at the Allen Memorial Institute where these MKUltra research project was taking place. His last name was Cameron and that always makes me think okay, so you make it look outrageous maybe over here, but to people paying attention, there's that name again and it might be like just kind of, you know, flicking your nose at somebody or the people who are paying attention. So I find that that part interesting.
Speaker 4:Mr Anderson, let me tell you this Now that you reminded me just now. Mr Anderson, let me tell you this Now that you reminded me just now and shame on me for not putting it in the email I was able to find years ago, connections with that Dr Cameron from Canada and the James Cameron of Hollywood. Really, I didn't put it in the thing until you just sparked my memory just now. So that might have to be a future episode, a paratrooper, but there is a connection between the infamous, heinous dr cameron of the mk ultra program of canada and the james cameron of titanic and terminator fame. Well, I think that the donald jeffries a long time ago and you just reminded me. That is a huge connection and shame on me for not putting it on there, but there is a connection, that's something you can look up.
Speaker 3:You can Google that or whichever search engine you like to use, and you can go right to that story.
Speaker 3:And again the judicial system in Canada said I don't care that this happened, you're not allowed to go after the US government, which is how the CIA was able to do these things and get away with it, but how this idea was hatched by Tony for this podcast. I mean hatched in a manner unlike the way you were hatched, chris. We were talking about the gateway process and that was an actual document submitted by Lieutenant Colonel Wayne McDonald in 1983, titled the Analysis and Assessment of the Gateway Process and it was a step-by-step guide for achieving this out-of-body experience and it was really piggybacking on research conducted by Robert Monroe of the Monroe Institute. So he was the first one to really write about out-of-body experiences and actually being able to somewhat consistently repeat that experience that he had and he token OBE out-of-body experience and so there was a lot of research going into this. But what was interesting about the steps or the process for the gateway process was it doesn't mention all the torture and the psychedelics and the sleep deprivation or any of that other stuff.
Speaker 3:And I remember, tony, you mentioned on a previous podcast how you knew somebody who was trained to remote view, which goes hand in hand with this right. You said just pat the troll on the head or whatever. Play duck duck goose.
Speaker 2:I knew somebody that actually I think he studied with Ingo Swann and this guy was legit, I knew him for a lot. I still know him, I've known him for a lot of years and interesting guy and he told me all about it. Is went and studied and when they would get into a certain state he said he could, you know, he could visualize and he would. Ever he would run into a gremlin, like and he would, he would go, whoa, because it's like like the standard gremlin that you would see, kind of the gargoyle type appearance, like the airplane wing kind of thing. And he said he asked the instructor, like what should I do?
Speaker 3:He's like oh, when you see them, just pat them on the head. They like to play duck, duck goose. They won't bite you.
Speaker 2:And you just acknowledge them and let them know that you see them and I don't know. That's what I was told.
Speaker 3:I've never actually seen the gremlin other than I thought that was fascinating, because I was reminded of that when I was kind of preparing for this podcast, because mcdonald warns in his report that because it's so easy to replicate this process and powerful that you probably need to be prepared to come across entities, many of which are just non-friendly, so that padding on the head I wouldn't touch them, but that's just me.
Speaker 2:Well, you were hatched. I mean, you think maybe it's some of your friends.
Speaker 3:It's from my friends, yeah. It's from my cousins, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:If you read Wikipedia it's like the Montauk Project is a conspiracy theory, and when something starts out like that I go oh, so let me read more. That alleges there were a series of United States government projects conducted at Camp Hero or Montauk Air Force Station in Montauk, new York, for the purpose of developing psychological warfare techniques and exotic research, including time travel. The story of the Montauk Project originated in Montauk Project's series of books by Preston Nichols.
Speaker 3:Right, but there are things like the Montauk Monster. Right, right across from Plum Island right, which is a weird place.
Speaker 2:Plum Island. They work on biological weapons there, right, right, and that's where you get. I believe Plum Island is where they originated. Suppose they originated the weaponization of ticks, where you get Lyme's disease.
Speaker 3:Right, that's what I remember coming across.
Speaker 2:It's a pretty big leap I just made. But you can actually go do your own research, folks, and you'll find that you can connect those key things with Lyme's disease, Like Lyme disease and ticks and the weaponization of ticks. That's a thing actually. They had one of the scientists there. Yeah, there's a lady that wrote a book on it yeah, let's not forget that too oh right, our friend, our friend, uh kill gates, is making uh, the genetically modified. What could, what could possibly go wrong?
Speaker 4:the nazis were behind uh weaponizing ticks and mosquitoes, originally with paperclip. Yes, yeah, so you're on the right path when it comes to originally with paperclip yes, yeah, so you're on the right path when it comes to that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Paperclip and we brought all the Nazi scientists, we brought the Japanese scientists over that had done similar biological warfare experiments, and the Montauk monster. Somebody can pull this up and put it on the screen.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was like 2008 too. That was pretty recent.
Speaker 4:Right, jesse ventura did a show on his conspiracy theory show. Uh, show on that as well. It was 2008. It washed up on long island right from across, across the way from montauk.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, there we go some people say monster mystery gets more mysterious. The Montauk monster must may just be a bag of bones, but now, by the but the people who know where it. Why is this? This sentence is really, really strange. I'm like either I'm having a stroke or somebody didn't know how to write.
Speaker 4:It's with the bell.
Speaker 2:I'm saying, I'm trying to, let's go to the next. I'm trying to figure, to decipher that sentence. This is Fox News, by the way, the riddle of the they gave this one to the interns.
Speaker 3:That's all I was saying, I guess so.
Speaker 2:Have AI write it. It'll be nice and fancy. The riddle of the Beaked Beast found on upscale East Hampton, new York Beach, in mid-July got even trickier Thursday as various experts weighed in and its discoverers revealed. They put discoverers in quotations, okay.
Speaker 3:Implying. It's a hoax, I'd imagine.
Speaker 2:Alright, they might have something mysterious of their own plan. First, animal planet wildlife expert John Corwin appeared on Fox News Channel to proclaim that we're all suckers. He thinks it's a raccoon.
Speaker 4:I thought it was actually the one that was flying the Glockenstein from the 1940s. You're really trying. He's going back.
Speaker 2:I'm trying Talk about time.
Speaker 1:I think the curriculum wants you to do the Philadelphia experiment on this word pronunciation.
Speaker 4:My Etch-a-Sketch. I've got to erase it.
Speaker 2:If he says it enough times, we'll all go to 1984. There you go. If he says it enough times, we'll all go to 1984. There you go, if he just gets a correct pronunciation.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's my flux capacitor.
Speaker 3:It's either this pronunciation or his drawings again, Right.
Speaker 4:Tony. Yeah, I wouldn't go by my drawings.
Speaker 3:But yeah, so they're already ridiculing this and I'm pretty sure another one. Yeah, washed ashore after this. So I think it did. I, I don't know. I mean the obvious. I mean devil's explanation to me would be plum island, right devil's advocate.
Speaker 4:Could it be just a dog with a real severe disease? I like? I know you might think I'm kidding around, but looking at the photo, could it be a dog that had some kind of disease that we were not privy to, or could it be?
Speaker 2:It could easily be a just thrown out Could be, could be refuse from, from genetic experiments.
Speaker 2:I mean they run, you know, chimeras, hybrid experiments. I mean you've seen, right? I mean they've been doing this. Gosh Stalin in the 1930s and most people don't you can actually go look this up he had a very highly funded program in the Soviet Union to impregnate a Soviet woman with by a gorilla, because they wanted to make a super soldier. I'm not. This is this is real, like they really did this and and supposedly this, the experiment was a success but the creature died because it was like they finally got it to work but it died. It was not. But they really. This is this is what governments work on.
Speaker 4:Okay, my grandfather. And here I am. I was hatched, so it was kind of successful. You really not.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's driving it home. Ladies and gentlemen, all while he's wearing his Prophet Muhammad T-shirt, I just don't know how he's going to.
Speaker 4:Don't say that, tony, I don't want to hear you get me killed, dude. Don't say that I'm don't want to hear get me killed, I'm kidding it's up.
Speaker 2:I'm that's a joke, folks. But no, this is. I don't know why. Why is that so far-fetched that uh, I don't think it is there would be any kind of. I mean, they, they try to build this kind of stuff all the time and if the if you're in that area, it just makes sense where there's smoke, there's fire. You can't really create these kind of like. It's hard to create a complete mythos out of nothing.
Speaker 4:There has to be something there, right well, I always had a dog, because that that was what so many of the naysayers were saying it was a dog with a severe case of mange. It doesn't look like a dog. It has a snout.
Speaker 3:What do they call those creatures? Chuba Cobra, chuba Cobra, no, chamba Wambas, chamba Wambas.
Speaker 4:They made that song about it, right.
Speaker 2:I get upside down. You're talking about. Chamba.
Speaker 4:I get knocked down when I get up, I get up again or whatever. Yeah, that was a band from the nineties, so really horrible band, but um yeah it's really bad.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Um that song was actually about the upside down.
Speaker 4:Oh, it's stranger things. Okay, the Duffer brothers, right, two, uh two brothers. They were writers, producers, writers, producers. They pitched a show to Netflix, called Montauk originally, and Netflix was in love with the idea of a show about a town that had all this weird X-Files, twin Peaks kind of phenomenon going on and they wanted to base it on, basically, the Preston Nichols series of books on Montauk without giving Preston Nichols credit. So they rewrote it as they read. Netflix asked them to change it from Long Island to the Midwest and that's what they ended up doing. They turned it into Stranger Things and they wanted to originally call it Montauk, as in the Montauk Project, with a military installation that was involved with interdimensional activities and time travel experiments and you know the paranormal and things like that. But it was all based off of Operation or Project Montauk, which Preston Nichols he kind of disappeared too. By the way, he had these series of books that took place at Camp Hero.
Speaker 3:Well, I think it's important to mention, chris, that that's where the monster comes from, this idea. Oh yeah, preston Nichols tried to conclude the program from this idea. Oh yeah, preston nichols tried to conclude the program, or conclude the program is. He said this um key phrase to I believe it was duncan cameron when he was in the montauk chair yeah, to open up the portal. And that's where this beast came through. Right and they closed the portal and actually they have. According to different accounts from people who've actually gone onto camp hero and tried to explore it and go underground, they have concreted out a lot of the lower levels at that base. But that's kind of where the folklore comes from on Stranger Things, right, if I'm not?
Speaker 4:mistaken, but it was all based on. Literally. They pitched the show as taking place at Montauk Island at the Camp Hero military base. But Netflix wanted them to change the location and the title and everything and that's why it became Stranger Things in the Midwest, but Camp Hero, where the Montauk monster washed up on the opposite opposite side, across from Plum Island, like Tony was talking about, where they have biological warfare experiments going on and to this day I think we don't really know too much about what's going on at Plum Island. But yeah, they took a lot of that Nazi research in terms of infecting mosquitoes and ticks and God knows what else with, you know, diseases to infect the enemy, you know.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I think another interesting thing to note is in the covenant agreed with the military, the state park services there were only granted authority over things above ground. Yes, and that's very strange to me because it lends a lot of credence to this notion that, okay, there was stuff going on underground and some of the people who explored they claim that they found receipts for things in the 80s, particularly for vast amounts of food. So all those details are kind of weird to me.
Speaker 4:Well, yeah, no, I did. I was a guest on a show with it. Do you guys remember a gentleman by the name of Adam, I think his whole name, but he did a podcast with his mother-in-law it was Deborah gets ready. Yeah, I'm going to have him back on my show. He's he's kind of retired from doing podcasts, but I'm going to ask him about what him and his mother-in-law the summation basically of the whole life of their podcast, what that would be. And when they had me on a couple of years ago, they were talking about Dumss, which was underground.
Speaker 2:Deep underground military bases.
Speaker 4:That's right, yeah, and we talked all about that and you know what. You know, camp Hero is no different. Like there's a lot that ended up going on. Mr Anderson, when you said that, like the legislation where certain governmental agencies weren't allowed to patrol or weren't allowed to get involved because of the wording being above ground or so below Right, look at, like the hybrids I don't know if you guys really got too far into hybrids uh, like experimentation, like in the, the mountains in oregon or in utah. There's, apparently there's some military installations in those, um, those uh mountains that apparently there was a program to kind of create hybrids in terms of human beings and other strands of DNA from other animals and that kind of thing. We've never really gone that far, tony, I don't think with Parasuther, but there's a lot there too that is actually nightmare-inducing.
Speaker 3:Well, there's a Bill Burr bit about that. Oh yeah, actually nightmare inducing. Well, there's a bill burbitt about that and it's a different subject. But he says whatever they're doing to dogs, they're going to start doing to us in 10 years, and he was referencing the microchipping. But I think that is the way that they work, because I've mentioned this before on the show and y'all have brought it up too. But whatever happened after dolly in 1996?
Speaker 3:we just cleaned our hands and said well, we're good with cloning, now let's move on to some other scientific enterprises. Of course not, and I think once you begin to mess with the structure of god's creation, the clock is ticking and I I'd go back biblically to the, the nephilim, where the sons of god in quotes and the saw the daughters of these.
Speaker 3:They were beautiful, and so that's where you got those men of renown Xerxes, like we mentioned before, and 300, and other demigods. In my opinion, half man, half God, and that was the reason the world was flooded, according to the Bible. So, regardless of what your vantage point is, I think we can mostly agree if you're fair-minded, like once you start changing things like that with biology, you don't know what it is that's going to happen as a result.
Speaker 3:And it's just bad. I mean, it's the same thing with the biological warfare that you were referencing, Tony, like ticks and Lyme disease, right?
Speaker 2:Well, we know for a fact I mean none of this stuff's that far-fetched know for a fact. I mean none of this stuff's that far-fetched, they know for a fact. They've used chemical and biological agents over the american populace over the decades, since the 1950s. That that's even documented. I mean this is declassified to st louis, omaha, san francisco. Uh, different bacterial, biological people died, by the way, and this is just what's been released. I think president clinton apologized for it. You had the tuskegee experiments.
Speaker 4:It goes on and on well, tony, didn't, tony, didn't you unearth, uh, a short film from the 1950s where there was a cab that they literally had a briefcase, that had a biological weapon, and they didn't?
Speaker 2:do that, but I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 4:You know what I'm talking about. I was you and I were talking about it at a certain point and they literally had the camera follow the back of the cab like the trunk into the subway when they were infecting everybody. That couldn't have been a dream. I remember watching that with you. Do you know what I'm talking about? It was a short film, I forget what it?
Speaker 2:lots of ground, but I'm pretty sure I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 4:Okay, but you have a rough idea.
Speaker 2:Yes, but I know what you're talking about and this is like you could because for my shows in 2020, I did a good job at just putting links together and it's like let's go through timelines of when the government has actually, on purpose, harmed its own citizens without their consent. That's because you know, the first thing that people will tell you about chemtrails are there is airplane condensation, it's contrails it turns into and I'm like, no, that's not what that is. This is geoengineering. I was looking at matt lamin's uh instagram today and they actually started doing flight logs and actually showing the planes and you see this plane fly out. It goes over a metropolitan area and he goes and it just makes lines.
Speaker 2:It goes back and forth and makes the lines and then flies back in its original pattern. He's like what's this plane doing that? That was just me asking. You know, again raising things. You should, you should ask these questions. So some of these things aren't.
Speaker 2:You're talking about the ph Philadelphia experiment, or we even talked about in 1947, post-roswell, post-kenneth Arnold. You know, at Mount Rainier you have the formation of the CIA, the NSA, the Air Force, all that stuff that happened. The national security state is born out of that right and there's a lot of esoteric, weird stuff with 1947 and the death of alistair crowley and and supposedly, what he thought about jack parsons and l ron hubbard and things that we've discussed on the show. These are weird things, but this is, and there's a lot of stuff we can't prove these are. These are questions that we have, because I don't. I don't believe the nature of reality is a lot more pliable than we've been instructed and if you can look into that, I think that this is the key here is like being able to discern, have better discernment. That's what the Bible calls for you to do.
Speaker 3:Well, when you talk about the Montauk boys and you know, not all of it, as you pointed out, is intended for Manchurian candidates. But I immediately jog my memory back to Bill Cooper and his account of who he came across right Before the Oklahoma City bombing.
Speaker 2:Right Meet Tim Right. Before it happened.
Speaker 4:John Doe number two, and they were chipped right and that was serious.
Speaker 3:He got called to testify about it.
Speaker 2:The two greatest American terrorists in the 20th century and going into the 21st both named Tim. That's right, supposedly.
Speaker 4:Tony, they wanted to show exactly where they were chipped, and Bill wasn't having it, was he?
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 4:He's like I don't want to see that. And then after the fact he was like you know what, I would have taken them up on their offer after the fact, knowing exactly who they were after the audience doesn't know what we're talking about.
Speaker 2:The radio host Bill Cooper, supposedly in around 1994, going into 1995, they got paid a visit by two young gentlemen he would later identify, as one of them was timothy mcveigh, and then he came by his radios uh radio broadcasting headquarters uh out in eager arizona, and said I'm working for the military, we're going to take back the republic, we've got some, we've got some plans and uh, we're both chipped and we're both tracked by the military.
Speaker 4:This other gentleman, who was never identified, he was John Donovan too, basically what Bill would describe him as later on.
Speaker 2:And he said watch out for Oklahoma City before it happened. Before it happened right.
Speaker 3:They were just lost off road and his location I thought was pretty. They kept it on the down low because he was printing off Veritas, right.
Speaker 4:That was their way of entrapping Bill.
Speaker 3:And they found him anyways and that's why it was so bizarre and he mentioned it on his radio show, I believe, before.
Speaker 4:Because, mr Anderson, that was their way of entrapping Bill before all the shit went down.
Speaker 3:They were trying to, but it didn't work. It didn't work because he goes.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, you know, wait, if you're pulled over by a state trooper, you just you, you comply, like you show your license and everything. And they were like no, we want to just blow him away. And he's like isn't that?
Speaker 2:interesting that he asked the question of the scenario. What happened to him? Like you know, timothy mcveigh supposedly put no license plate pulled over and he's wearing a thomas jefferson t-shirt that says the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time by the blood of patriots and tyrants exactly and then you know, and he gets booked and they put him in the cell and supposedly somebody recognizes him, because the sketch, I mean the whole thing, is so bizarre how that all went down.
Speaker 2:But yeah, the two, the two terrorists, ladies and gents, both named tim tim osmond, of course being a sum of bin laden, and that's, that was his code name when he was the pentagon that's right brought in in 1979 I still get.
Speaker 4:I still get attacked for saying that oh, you didn't really do that, you didn't have a code name. No, it says Tim Osmond, yes.
Speaker 2:No, I get attacked by that.
Speaker 4:These 9-11 truthers. They say that they're all about the truth and everything. There's no evidence saying that he was Tim Osmond. I'm like you. Go back into the 9-11 commission report. I'm pretty sure they have a whole paragraph dedicated to Tim Osmond.
Speaker 2:I think that's pretty much out in front research. It's. That's 101, yeah, so pretty simple stuff. But anyway, back to back to the yeah yeah sorry, mr anis, I cut you off.
Speaker 3:There's so much with this, this subject, it's fascinating it's just that that photo I have up there, it it's just very punchable, a very punchable avatar With the Matrix.
Speaker 2:It shows well. It shows well. It's an interesting subject. There's a lot to dig in here with the lore behind it, but I think, whenever, whenever I see it's hard to create a mythos around absolutely nothing Like even if you write a book, and it's hard, it's. It's from what I've understood of this entire thing with Montauk, and then to me there's just too much. There's too much connection to the research that was going on at the time, the stuff that we know about that's been declassified and the area in which it's in and all of this the connecting thing.
Speaker 2:So, whether or not these particular stories that were leaked out are true, or if there's something else with that, see, I just think there's something there and that's the way that you cover up real things is you. You hide them in plain sight by, by discrediting them with, clearly, things that aren't real. You know, as we live like everything, that's things that aren't real. You know we live like everything. That's because now, in the age of the internet and research and and you know over decades and decades of great researchers and you know people like don jeffries and and jim mars and others and bill cooper, we know so much. But the way you get rid of that is you. You do things like they've been. I just think that we've been running so many. There's been so many differentOPs and mind wars being targeted on us. As a matter of fact, I talked about this about a year ago. The White House I think in 2022, put out a memorandum asking all executive departments to report back on what PSYOPs they were running, because no one could tell.
Speaker 4:No one knew what the other one was doing no one knew what the other one was doing.
Speaker 2:Yes, and that's since the the smith month modernization act in 2000.
Speaker 4:Was it 13, chris? When they read it was 12 13 yeah with obama.
Speaker 2:They made it legal for you to run propaganda on the american people.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that was, which were they already doing anyway.
Speaker 2:But then it was just like, well, then there's no repercussions, so there can. That's why the narrative, that's why I I used to get excited about what I could build on social media. When I first ran for office. I was ranked in like the top I think I was like top 90 of all federal candidates in the united states and I did that with almost no money. They actually did an article and one of them some national deal. They're like, oh, this guy's, and they put the top hundred. I was like 90 of of social media people, like I had just done it organically. You could not do that today.
Speaker 2:Well, let's just remember they filed everything back, right.
Speaker 4:Let's just remember, tony, that Donald Rumsfeld put together the, the official office of propaganda, in October of 2001, right after nine 11. It was really good with aspartame.
Speaker 2:Aspartame, that's right. Donald rumsfeld is responsible for aspartame and 9-11, so and 9-11 yeah and he can't track 2.3 trillion dollars the day before september 10, 2001.
Speaker 4:you're correct, sir. He was pressured into closing the office of propaganda that had an office in the Pentagon. He was pressured so much by the American people and the press in general to close that office in January of 2001. So that's why a lot of people don't even remember it, that's why a lot of people don't even remember it. But it was an office and what they wanted to kind of concentrate on was propaganda in terms of overseas, not so much domestic, domestic propaganda. But they wanted to. You know. Basically, you know they wanted to drum up the warfare. You know they wanted to put the propaganda towards the countries that were coming to help us in the war and terror or assist us, rather like Australia, england, things like that.
Speaker 4:But that was on the books-seeing eye pyramid, that's on the book. So you can look that up, people. I think it was Office of Total Awareness. If you Google that you'll see Office of Total Awareness. I'm not kidding Tony. Literally it was the all-se, all seeing eye and it was the, the office of total awareness, and that was Donald Rumsfeld pushing that and he was pressured into closing that office in January of 2001. They almost were successful in total opera like literal total awareness, and that's exactly what they put, like I was just thinking of something when you're talking about Rumsfeld and I wanted to read it on air.
Speaker 2:Here's a quote from Donald Rumsfeld there are known knowns, there's things that we know, and there are known unknowns things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns things that we do not, things that we do not know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns, things that we do not, things that we do not know we don't know that's right that sounds like something kamala hairs would say right it's a vacuous, empty vessel.
Speaker 2:This isn't. This is a statistician like that. I mean, it makes magnum era uh, look like shakespeare, okay, like magnum era was another one of those pencil pusher statistician types. Executive, you know corporate america guy that got us bogged down in vietnam and later they did a great documentary called fog of war, where they get him in front of a camera and he just realizes I mean, maybe he's like having some realization of wow. I just really misjudged everything History, the domino effect, communism, why all the things worked. Rumsfeld never got that. The same crew did a documentary with Rumsfeld and it was just this vacuous nothingness.
Speaker 3:It's just nonsense.
Speaker 4:Like Bill Clinton, right, it depends on what the meaning of the word is. Yeah, the meaning of is tony, what is it I? Put that as a link. It's I just so people don't think that I'm full of uhcal matter Like I literally that was an office that Donald Rumsob was behind. Is there a way you can share that on the screen, Like if you In the?
Speaker 3:private chat.
Speaker 4:Yeah, right here it's a total information awareness and literally it was the all seeing eye, was the logo for this department and it was right after nine, 1111.
Speaker 3:It was like october, november I think the link got corrupted by the well it's corrupted.
Speaker 4:Now okay, okay total information awareness.
Speaker 2:The tia was a mass deception program by the united states information awareness office. It operated under the title from february to may 2003, before being renamed terrorism information awareness literally the all-seeing eye was the logo. No joke based on the concept of predictive policing. Yes, this is like minority report.
Speaker 4:That's where it came from. Spielberg was actually employed. He was an advisor for this program.
Speaker 2:I was intended to be a five year research project by the Defense Advanced Research Project Agency, darpa. The goal was to integrate components from previous and new government intelligence and surveillance programs including Genoa, genoa 2, genesis and then a bunch of other acronyms. These components consisted of information analysis, collaboration, decision support tools, language translation, data searching, wow. It's pre-crime it's pre-crime data searching.
Speaker 4:wow, it's a, it's pretty crime yeah, it should be in hidden history. Three and four coming up. I have a whole bunch on that I sent to donald. Just wanted people to know that I'm not just pulling this out of nowhere. They tried to get away with a lot more on after 9-11 than people may think in terms of showing his chops.
Speaker 2:Ladies and gents, look at chris just out of the box, continuity governor of government too.
Speaker 4:There's all kinds of weird stuff with that going on, and 9-11 was the catalyst for a lot of these different programs. A lot of people don't even know to this day, and it was like already what 20 plus years ago yeah, with regard to the cog facilities, we did one on the denver airport that's right, it was one of them.
Speaker 4:It went green that day with rumsfeld. Yep, they had different sectors too, of people that were not elected by uh, the american people. They were selected. That's a different episode altogether. But I'm just saying there's contingency plans, people that for, if the fecal hits the fan, they're going to tell you exactly who's going to be in charge of you. You know, and that's a different episode for a different day but Montauk Island, if they can kidnap people and do horrible, horrible experiments on them, for whatever means, whether you want to say time travel, you know something I want to ask both of you, if you don't mind me asking, maybe you do If you could participate in one of these dark programs and you were allowed to go back to a certain time period, where exactly would you go if they let you pick the destination with these time travel experiments? I know it's way out there, back to the future stuff.
Speaker 3:I know exactly where I'm going, chris, where are you going the day I met my ex-wife? All right, Okay.
Speaker 4:All right, I'm going to where my mother and my father met and I'm breaking him up. Say come on, come on, be more humane. You're going to put yourself.
Speaker 2:You're going to non-exist yourself. You're gonna, you're gonna non-exist yourself. You're, you're gonna put a hit out on yourself. Is that what you're gonna do, like you're doing? Preemptive time travel, murder. Is that gonna? Can you be? Is that a crime? What is that?
Speaker 3:well then, I'm just gonna have to go back to the day you know you're supposed to be hatched, and that's gonna be my yeah october 5th.
Speaker 4:This is what I don't understand. So you be hatched and that's going to be my mistake. Yeah, october 5th 1983.
Speaker 3:That's what I don't understand. So you're hatched, but death comes difficult. I'm not going to waste a good opportunity.
Speaker 4:You know what? I would actually try to prevent the events of 9-11., september 11, 2001,. To be all serious and everything, I don't know how, because I feel like the powers that be wanted that day to happen. But I feel like the powers that be wanted that day to happen, but I feel like I would try to shut down the airport somehow Newark, logan, the one in Washington. There I would try to do something.
Speaker 3:Just don't tell us how you do it, because then it wouldn't work.
Speaker 4:Right right, 9-11 is the big, 9-11 is the big one. Like seeing those people to be to kind of, you know, take it away from being goofy or whatever. But the thing that really affected me throughout the years in terms of, uh, dreams or nightmares is just seeing those, those four people at the top of the towers, like, like, I still wake up crying, thinking about that, like I would try to. That would be the date, you know, that would be the date to try to stop all that horrible pain and misery from happening. But I don't know, maybe in terms of physics and stuff, maybe that's, maybe it was supposed to happen the way it would. But, tony, what would you do, like in that science fiction scenario? Like, what day would you go back to?
Speaker 2:November 22nd 1910. And I'd have a heater filled with Tannerite and we'd just take care of that whole 20th century slaughter pen of wars and bankers wars, and I'd stop. There wouldn't be any 9-11 or any of that stuff. We wouldn't be jfk. Yeah, I'm just going and I just and I didn't say what I do, I just said I'd have a water heater full of tannerite and we're gonna just go duck hunting with the boys and I love the fact that you're keeping it under the cover of darkness in case it actually could actually happen.
Speaker 4:Still, you're're not telling us your plan of action. I didn't say I just said, that's where I'm going.
Speaker 2:We're going duck hunting on Jekyll Island with the boys.
Speaker 3:It's a beautiful place, it's a beautiful island, exactly.
Speaker 2:I didn't say anything.
Speaker 4:All right, here we go. That was the thing.
Speaker 3:We completed the round table, Chris I mean Chris was going to whack himself.
Speaker 2:He's going to take himself out of existence.
Speaker 4:This is like Back to the Future meets Prozac.
Speaker 3:Where you going, chris, I'm going to make sure I don't exist, put up the hotline number Tony, where are you going?
Speaker 2:That's the first place I'm thinking. I've seen I saw a meme about that, I think it was Ben Shapiro that like asked people would you kill baby Hitler? Would you kill baby Hitler? Oh yeah, and I'm like, why don't? No, we just go to Jekyll Island, we're just going to take care of the whole 20th century. We figured all that I wouldn't be in a federal reserve.
Speaker 4:No, world war one. Right, you know I mean again. Well, I didn't say what I'd do. I know it's like you're keeping it under the cover. It actually could happen.
Speaker 2:Still you're like I'm not gonna give away and I'm not even using stuff that's not illegal, telling what? Relaxed his mind after going to conan and use I mean I skipped over Chris's like time travel, murdering of himself.
Speaker 4:I have a lot of issues, folks. I'm trying to get through.
Speaker 2:Mr Anderson's gonna go back to his life not yet I saw a meme once and it has, you know, like the, they do the memes with the guy with the beard and they have a girl with the dress on right this is like the blue dress and and it says, uh. One of the memes says like uh, girls, if they had time travel. And they go, oh, um, you're my, you're my grandmother, oh, that's so neat. And then it shows boys with time travel and there's a guy and he's got like night vision goggles and he's got his rifle and he's like grandfather, we have to go to Jekyll Island. It's just November 22nd 1910, jekyll Island. He said we have to do this and he was like okay, trust me.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm glad people tune into the show. That's why we do this this will be the last one.
Speaker 4:By the way, I executed myself. I had time travel through Montauk Island, sorry.
Speaker 2:He goes through the portal at Montauk to take out himself, ladies and gentlemen at the researcher hatchery uh, brought to you, brought to you in part by dupont dupont, yeah, and ford, apparently no folks.
Speaker 4:You know what? I'm having a good time and I love these guys, so I wouldn't have it any other way. There you go. I'm not going to murder myself via time travel or captain america or spider-man far from home, whatever it is, I'd rather be here right now.
Speaker 3:We just now, do you believe that? Though, chris, what did you say?
Speaker 2:I have to that would be an interesting time to take some time and that would be an interesting call to one of those hotlines like what do you think about harming yourself? Well, just given the opportunity for time travel, if I could go back and stop my parents from consummating their marriage, I'm like yeah, well, I saw the.
Speaker 4:I saw the trailer for deadpool and wolverine and I'm like you know what it should? It should be mirror, something like that, like with the different time streams. Meanwhile, I'm like taken away and I have a straight jacket and everything. I'm like no folks, I'm happy. There we go.
Speaker 2:I think the litmus test on mental health at the end of Paratroopers. It's not good, it's not great.
Speaker 4:I got an extra sketch. It's not the worst, it's not the worst right.
Speaker 2:People are actually finishing the show dialing like I think I may need.
Speaker 2:I'm fine folks folks pray for us, right? Well, yeah, uh, this is when you do research into this it is maddening. It is you know, it really is maddening like you got to have, like there has to be a spiritual component to what you do. It has to be like this can't just be like there's a, there's a nihilism and a darkness going down the road of like is this my reality, which I've had since I was a kid, but it just it's over the years, like progressively getting worse, like where I'm looking at getting deeper into it and then the connecting dots and the things that you know, and so it goes down that path.
Speaker 3:Yeah, bring up Nietzsche's quote there, tony, because I think that's completely relevant. Do you remember the one I'm referencing?
Speaker 2:Oh, when you look into the abyss, yeah, and the abyss stares back at you. When you gaze long enough into the abyss, the abyss gazes back into you. But he buttresses that quote with for those who fight monsters, be careful that you don't become one. Right, Right.
Speaker 4:I don't think I'm a monster, but I do uncover.
Speaker 2:He's a Montauk monster. It was just Chris. He had a really bad.
Speaker 3:He was hungry.
Speaker 4:A lot of these topics are very, very dark. So, yeah, no, you have to. It's a fine line, folks, and you know what, like I feel like I can get close to it and then kind of back up. But when it comes to a lot of these things, you have to know when to kind of pull back from it, because people will go insane. I believe, like maybe 80% of what I'm reading and researching, 80% of what I'm reading and researching, but other than that I'm able to kind of back away and say you know what I'm going to put on a George Carlin album and just relax.
Speaker 3:And that's relaxing, he's yelling Fair enough.
Speaker 2:I'm just going to come home, I'm going to relax, put my feet up, turn up Sam Kinison and just try to Exactly Tony, Exactly. That's the best, I think. I think that's anything else, mr Anderson, before we close out, what? Can I say that I think.
Speaker 4:I'm going to title this show strangest things. Oh, I hope you do.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I got nothing man.
Speaker 4:This was fun. It was dark, dark stuff, but you know what. That's what the world's made up of. You know what we need a lot more comedy and a lot more late-hearted stuff. So anyone out there, please? Hey, chris, wait your turn.
Speaker 3:It was my turn. Oh yeah, I'm sorry, I'm just playing.
Speaker 4:Total information awareness. I'm so playing with you All right, sorry.
Speaker 3:Just playing with you.
Speaker 2:I don't know why you're pushing him to go back in time, Mr.
Speaker 4:Anderson, I'm ready to like off myself.
Speaker 2:If you could, if you could do it like you know the. You ever seen the movie with Christopher Reeves somewhere in time? Now there's, there's. I want to get a guy on, by the way, in this teaser for the audience. I heard a guy on another podcast, the writer of the this, this book somewhere in time. It came out in the eighties. Christopher Reeves really weird because if you watch the movie, he time travels with his mind. He has to wear the suit of the period, he goes to the same hotel and all this stuff. There's something to that other thing with the Somewhere in Time thing. That's what Chris is going to figure out later.
Speaker 4:Tony, can I tell you something? Have you ever heard of a horror guy named wes craven? Yeah, wes craven is one of my favorite uh writers directors, right he?
Speaker 4:created nightmare on elm street. In a couple of months after the boston bombing in 2013, I went to go and visit him at the boston book festival and I brought up the idea that I had for years since, like the late 80s, when I was a little kid. I said what if you did a nightmare on elm street sequel, where freddy literally could time travel through like people's dreams and his eyes lit up and he goes? I tried to pitch that for nightmare on elm street 4, but new line cinema just wanted to sell like hamburgers and stuff like mcdon McDonald's kind of stuff. They didn't want to go to a high-concept idea like that.
Speaker 2:Well, do you know where they get the term A Nightmare on Elm Street.
Speaker 4:Yes, wes Craven got it from JFK Elm Street. It was A Nightmare on Elm Street when he got his head blown off, yeah, and you know what? What's his face? Bob Dylan. He went and he recorded a song during the pandemic and it was. I believe he called it a nightmare on Elm Street or he referenced a nightmare on Elm Street where he brought that up again. But, yeah, wes Craven got the Elm Street, the nightmare on Elm Street that Freddy Krueger was because of 1963, jfk's assassination on Elm Street, and I was able to tell, I was able to actually bring that up time, travel through dreams, that idea to Wes Craven, the guy who created it all, and he gave me like a kind of a grin because he actually pitched that as an idea for one of the sequels nightmare on Elm street for 1988 to new line cinema and they they rejected it because they wanted to just make another slasher sequel. But we were on the same page for like a second there, wes Craven and me in 2013. So I don't doubt it, yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't doubt it. Yeah, I don't doubt it, there's a lot of. Chris knows a great deal about cinema, pop culture, conspiracy cultures.
Speaker 4:So do you, tony, and so does Mr Anderson.
Speaker 2:I would say I would put my researchers up against just about any podcast. I mean we can talk about anything. It's pretty cool. Yeah, great job pretty cool. Yeah, we did a great job.
Speaker 4:we gotta do that cameron episode like I'm telling you like, uh, I dropped the ball with that, but there is a connection with dr cameron of canada and james cameron of hollywood.
Speaker 4:There is I feel like that's gonna lead right into the titanic and and ai especially with terminator, though with the terminator in hollywood and putting that idea skynet out to the masses in the early 90s. It it does connect, so watch that in the future, folks. The show is one of my, one of my favorites I've ever been a part of we'll definitely do it.
Speaker 2:We'll put that on the list. We got a bunch of shows to do. All right, folks, we appreciate you. Uh, you can find chris. He's on every podcast, everywhere. Chris graves, he's the. He's the tyler durden of podcasting. He's always, always there before I get there. Um, chris, do you have you want to plug anything before we go?
Speaker 4:yeah, tiger tales on freeworldfm every Saturday night from 8 to 10. And other than that, check out the Otterburn radio transmission on Fridays. Are you still doing that every Friday?
Speaker 2:I do it Thursdays after David Night.
Speaker 4:Okay, well, check out that and, mr Anderson, check out Mr Anderson's podcast Somewhere in the Weeds on I don't know, somewhere in time there or whatever. Somewhere in the weeds on uh, I don't know, somewhere in time there or whatever somewhere in the weeds who's somewhere in the podcast for me.
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