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Thank you. In a world of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

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It's the David Knight Show ¶¶, ¶¶ © transcript Emily Beynon.

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Well, the clock struck 13, and this is Monday, the 16th of June, year of our Lord, 2025. I'm Tony Arterburn. I'm filling in once again for the great David Knight and also Travis Knight. It's been a long time since I've hosted and, ladies and gentlemen, the equipment that I have has aged a lot, like me, but maybe not as gracefully, I hope. A lot of the stuff I had doesn't work anymore.

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So I'm running the show off a laptop and, uh, we're gonna get through this. It's uh went from sophisticated to fisher price or something like that, but we're gonna be just fine. I've got, uh, the legendary don jeffries in the second hour. I've got billy ray valentine in the third. Lots to cover. Uh, I saw at least two real psyops. Uh, in the last 48 hours. We can dive into today, parapolitics, precious metals, all that good stuff for the next two days. I believe we're going to have a very special guest on Tuesday, so tomorrow, and I'll mention him in a second because it made me laugh this morning going through show research to see one of his tweet responses to Stephen King. So, anyway, glad to be back. It's been way too long. So much to cover, so let's just jump right in and if you're in, we're streaming. I got everything set up, if you can believe that.

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We're on Rumble. We're on BitChute Live. I've never done a BitChute Live, but we're on BitChute Live today David's Twitter. We're on my Twitter. We're on my YouTube, at least for now until the overlords throw me off. But let's jump right into some headlines.

Speaker 2: 4:23

I saw this and it really caught my attention as a teachable moment. Let's start with this. Let's start with the moniker, the nomenclature of the no Kings protest. Now, did anybody catch that? That was something interesting. I just heard it dropped, like you know, about a week or two ago, and I started asking what does that mean? And then finally, you kind of drill down to it and it's an establishment left wing response to the supposed, you know, overreach of the Trump administration. Maybe there is overreach, but that was, this is their push right.

Speaker 2: 5:02

It made me think about something. It's so funny when you do this kind of show research and you start thinking on a line of logic, other things pop up. I'll show you guys later the last article I have today. It kind of ties in with how I'm going to start in an interesting way, like another point of view. But when I heard the term no kings and this was, uh, you know, a protest that was nationwide. Okay, so it's nationwide and uh, it's coordinated. Okay, and it's, uh, you know, on trump's birthday and it's the same day he has his military parade, all that stuff or the ridiculousness of that. But we're going to go into what that means anyway. There's a newsweek article. I know this is a good, we're going to lean into how this flows into the manipulation of information, the manipulation of news and what you're supposed to think. Anyway, no kings, right.

Speaker 2: 6:01

And it made me think about the 18th century encyclopedist. There was, you know, this is the 18th century like the, the edge of what you would, uh, what would be later referred to as the enlightenment, and you have people like voltaire and you had the um encyclopedist. You had diderot. Diderot had a quote I I read this like 20 plus years ago but it always stuck with me. It was that mankind would not be free until the last king was strangled with the entrails of the last priest.

Speaker 2: 6:37

And this is how those guys thought. They were very anti-clerical, anti-religion, they didn't dare not be Christian in some way because they couldn't replace them the morals, they couldn't replace the tradition, they couldn't replace the structure of society, but they wanted to tear down what had made it and it's always stuck out in my mind because it was really the catalyst for things like the French Revolution. Mind, because it was really the catalyst for things like the French Revolution. And if you look at how just bloody and awful and godless it was, you know and of course they didn't it wasn't necessarily atheistic because they put, you know, they placed the, they took out all the relics from the church in places like Paris and they would replace them with, you know, images of science or whatever they considered science at the time, and it'd be like the Church of Reason and other things.

Speaker 2: 7:29

But it was a major bloodletting. As a matter of fact I pulled up just for some historical fun before we get into the headlines it's like during the French Revolution, various events led to significant loss of life. Various events led to significant loss of life. This is between 1,176 and 1,614 people were killed in September alone of the Reign of Terror that was from 1793 to 94. Estimates suggest 20,000 to 40,000 people were killed. Official death sentences 16,594 were issued. This was supposed to be the celebration of not having a king.

Speaker 2: 8:10

That's what you know. They marie antoinette, who never actually said let them eat cake, but, um, she was beheaded. And uh, king louis the 16th was beheaded as well. And there was all sorts of underlying historical forces going on there. It's not just the surface level stuff. Even Thomas Paine, who wrote Common Sense, it's like you think of him as like an ally of the Enlightenment, or you know, the throwing off of the Ancien Regime, you know, all this, all this, the historical forces that would produce somebody like Thomas Paine. Well, they almost killed Thomas Paine. I mean, that's, that's this, the historical forces that would produce somebody like Thomas Payne. Well, they almost killed Thomas Payne. I mean, that's, that's how bloodthirsty they were. And it was just an accident that somebody put the wrong marking on his cell door. So Thomas Payne, you know, was over in in.

Speaker 2: 8:57

Paris at the time almost lost his life, so I watched that sort of let me put things like oh, we shouldn't have no kings and all that. Do you really believe that? Is that the basis of what your motivation is? I highly doubt it. Let me put this on the screen. We'll just look at this article. Just you know, fun times to the nomenclature always makes me pause and think so. Anti-trump, no kings protests it's spread across the nation. Multiple groups carried out demonstrations against president donald trump's military parade in washington dc on saturday, the most prominent of which was the no kings protest that spread to many states. Well, you know, to have a coordinated nationwide protest I hate to spoil all the fun, and I usually do for politics but it has to be funded. You have to. But it has to be funded. You have to be funded. It has to be coordinated by an upper-level management.

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Nothing really truly is organic ladies and gentlemen, especially when you talk about something that gets branded in a very short period of time. You probably have Madison Avenue involved in this. You've got you know news outlets and I'm going to show you some real live propaganda. I mean, you guys have probably already seen it, but it's a lesson in mind control. We're going to go over here in a second.

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Several protests have already taken place against Trump and his administration's policy, especially in the aftermath of his decision to deploy the National Guard and Marines to Los Angeles. Most of the protests in Los Angeles have been peaceful, but some have taken the opportunity to burn or vandalize property, loot and throw projectiles at law enforcement. Trump responded to these incidents with his military deployments, but doing so against the wishes of California Governor Gavin Newsom and Los Angeles Mayor Karen Boss, escalating the situation and tensions with the Democratic leaders. Similarly, the protests on Saturday have largely remained peaceful, with little interaction between law enforcement and protesters, but as the afternoon dragged on, tensions between los angeles and new york city started to rise and small clashes broke out. Well, fun times right, and I don't. This is like a delayed reaction.

Speaker 2: 11:38

We're finally going to get what we were seeing in 2020 which, which you know coordinated efforts across the country, flying people back and forth, dropping off the pallets of bricks. It's probably like a melding between high level finance, intelligence, power structure just trying to disrupt whatever we have going on here in the country. So make sure we're never actually content or, you know, have a peaceful mindset so we can think and plan ahead, and you're always going to keep up, kind of like a military operation. Actually it is a military operation for tempo right, keeping the pace ahead of you, so you can never really fully grasp what's going on. They get to the next level, the next thing, fully grasp what's going on. They get to the next level, the next thing.

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And uh, if you're not, if you don't have any continuity of what happened 5, 10, 15, 20 years ago, if you just kind of go with the news cycles, then you're I mean you're in trouble and I'll show you how much trouble you're in. You go look at something like um, let's look at this article first. First headline of drudge okay, and we go through the Minnesota shooter. I just want to show you this because this is what stuck with me as being just such a teachable moment Like this is how propaganda is made.

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This is Operation Mockingbird 2.0 or whatever you want to call it, and the fractured legacy media, you know, and they've got outlets like Drudge, but it's the fracturing of that and even based off partisanship. It's harder and harder to keep your mind clear of propaganda, but we'll do our best here. On the David Knight Show here, let me share this screen. Let me just show you really quick the headline of Drudge, because we're this is what we're inundated with. He's a MAGA maniac, okay, maga maniac. Okay, you know this goes murders two different couples lawmakers in minnesota this you know, evil, nut job, and. But he's a maga maniac, right? So if you're just tuning in to, you know, just going to scour the headlines and see you before you actually read an article, if you want to look at what's happening, there's your MAGA maniac. He's a devout Christian Voted for Trump, right? That's what Drudge says. He's a MAGA maniac, so they just label him that. So if you voted for Trump or if you're considered, on the right, whatever that means anymore, but conservative.

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If maybe you're a Christian, you put yourself in that camp. Now you've got your own MAGA maniac. That's what Drudge says. Maniac, that's what drudge says. But if you go to I mean, this is yesterday just looking at the headlines, you know, going to places like zero hedge, let's pull up zero hedge, let's find a little bit more, but that's what drudge has right there. Just, we're going to go ahead and make that the news, which you know. The news is an acronym. It's northeast, west and south. It's the lay of the land. It's what news is supposed to mean? Right, you've got to get an accurate depiction of the lay of the land. And so you're looking at it and saying, oh okay, well, we've got ourselves a mega maniac here. Well, not so fast, let's pull up Zero Hedge from yesterday and I think they updated it, which flows together with my first article no Kings Terror, fake cop assassinates.

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Minnesota Democrat who blocked health care for illegals. Breaking Left-wing Dem activist named in shooting of minnesota moderate dems, a democrat activist and 29 2019 appointee of governor tim walls. Both are, but this is again vance lutherter. A Democrat activist in 2019 and appointee of Governor Tim Walz is the suspect in a targeted shooting of Minnesota lawmakers Melissa Hortman and John Hoffman. Both are moderate Democrats, but you keep going scrolling down. Boulter posed as a police officer when he first shot senator john hoffman and his wife at home early saturday, leaving them seriously injured. He then proceeded to the home of former democratic house speaker melissa hortman, where he fatally shot her and her husband. Two shootings were located several miles apart in northern Minneapolis. Police engaged the suspect in a hail of gunfire at Hortman's home, but he managed to escape on foot. Screenshots from suspected Minnesota attacker Vance Luther Bolter's public LinkedIn before it was taken down, fourth image, shows he indeed volunteered for the governor's workforce development board in Minnesota.

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It says Tim Walls has a lot of explaining to do. You see where I'm getting with this? Like somewhere in the middle is the truth right. So it's in the extreme. You've got he's a, he's a MAGA maniac, and on the other side it's like we're preloaded to try to keep any kind of you know mass shooter or defective person out of whatever desired camp. You know we got to keep them out of that. But it's interesting. I mean it's probably more. I think the zero hedge leans more into the truth of where we actually is. But that's how the mind control works. But he's also running it, of course. He is this just like you know, mid-summertime we had a year ago.

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We're coming up on a year since the assassination attempt, the first one on Trump in Pennsylvania. And then you have the guy that they caught in the bushes with an AK at the golf course. I forget his name offhand, but mean he was clearly in tight. It has tied to ngos and intelligence and he was recruiting people from around the world, like recruiting afghans to get them to go fight in ukraine. And if you listen to the guy speak, I'm like, oh, that's an operator.

Speaker 2: 18:40

Like the way that he's, there's a certain mindset and dialect and a lot of those people have that. I've heard before. They also have that same kind of spirit of just war for the sake of it. It's um, it's like they're, it's their raison d'etre, it's their whole purpose. So they've really given their life over to. It's like a deity they worship and it's's like hot wars. They've got to get into them. You can hear it in the people, especially if Dan Crenshaw is one of those people. Like a second congressional district of Texas, he's very much like he has a reflexive. It's painful for him to hear anything that is peaceful or anti-war or getting out of places that are no-win or something. He has a reflexive physical reaction to getting out of Afghanistan or leaving Iraq. I've seen him answer questions on it, which is interesting. There's a spirit to it.

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So this is what the Vance Bolter was running. This international NGO is called the Red Lion Group. Running this international NGO. It's called the Red Lion Group. Reading this description of what they're supposedly trying to do reads like pure NGO fraud. And this guy was trying to siphon a salary at an expense account. Well, this NGO stuff, non-governmental organization, which you know they get international, they get 5013C stat or whatever. They get. Right back to intelligence, ladies and gentlemen.

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He was also connected to a Minnesota entity called you Give them Something to Eat. Incorporated. Well fun times, right. Well, fun times, right. Uh, this is. And he, oh, he was. He also had the no kings flyers in his car.

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The passport was found in the rebel. You know this is they leave. You know these clues like breadcrumbs. Wasn't the? I need to dig back into 9-11. I should do like a Paratrooper series. Myself and Mr Anderson talk about it all the time. There's just so much to break down, like how great, like the they left the hijackers left in the rental car, like a copy of the Quran and a couple of other like detailed things, old flight manuals, stuff like that in the car that they know would be found. Yeah, the New York Post noted that Bolter left behind a manifesto listing the names of 70 politicians, including Walz and his lieutenant governor, peggy Flanagan, and a stack of papers stating no kings in reference to the nationwide anti-Trump protest. But he's a magamaniac, you know. Yeah, this is again real, real time propaganda of the highest order. See, this is like colonizing your mind.

Speaker 2: 21:51

This is what it's supposed to do, or pick up on people who won't read any further. Right, you're just going to be captured by that fulcrum of whatever that outlet wants you to think. That's how important it is for you to not believe anything like that. Just start with that's a lie and then reverse engineer it, just walk it backwards. How much truth is in that headline? And, by the way, that filters into financial headlines as well and clickbait.

Speaker 2: 22:25

That's why shows like this the David Knight show is a treasure and I've known David for years and the amount of research that he does and Travis does and the amount of thinking that has to go into a three-hour show. First of all, david comes from a place of just wanting to know the truth, just wanting to seek that, and I know his character and I've seen him and I've watched him In the face of pressure and like the face of. We all have to go through this. Now that those of us who are trying to be have some discernment in this world where you're trying to be the best analyst, you can be in the face of all the partisanship and the propaganda and the nonsense. And, yeah, you have to watch your audience leave, which is really tough to do.

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You know, as a broadcaster, I've been in radio since 2013. It was my first show out of Dallas and I enjoy radio. I've listened to radio since I was a kid. I love podcasting, love radio like spoken word. I like the ideas and I know how. I've watched people that I was with. You know get syndicated and everything else.

Speaker 2: 23:32

But I didn't believe what they and, by the way, they weren't right, but that doesn't matter. It's because you get to watch. You have to if you stick with principle, and that's why I'm so uh honored to to fill in for david when I can, and uh hopefully uh do him justice here, because I know he cares so much about the truth and warning people and and uh giving his best analysis in the face of everything that's going on, and it's that's the type of and that's just a small example of- the type of um, psychological warfare that we're up against.

Speaker 2: 24:04

You have to clear through so much of the headlines. That's why David is such a treasure. All right, let's jump into this little bit of financial stuff. And you guys watched and we're going to talk in this show and probably tomorrow too but about the Israeli strike on Iran and the war pigs that want to get at, the neocon automatons for Satan who want us to jump high level into a new unwinnable, unconstitutional war. A new unwinnable, unconstitutional war. Let me pull this up. Let's talk a little finance real quick. This is in direct correlation of what happened post-strike on Iran. This is Kitco, so safe haven disconnect. This is Kitco Safe Haven Disconnect. And there's a reason I picked this article over, like the other seven, the other seven articles that talked about why gold spikes after the strike, and some of that you know, it's just typical stuff that gold does, but there's something else.

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A safe haven disconnect, Gold soars while the dollar stalls. Conflict has once again erupted in the Middle East following Israeli attacks on Iran. Surprisingly, however, the global economy has remained relatively unshaken, as financial markets have not responded in the way one might have predicted an outcome that could carry significant implications for gold moving forward. As expected, Israel's preemptive strike triggered a sell-off in equity markets and a spike in oil prices. At the same time, safe haven demand pushed gold prices to their highest level since April's all-time record high of $3,500. Yet the biggest surprise is that bond yields and the US dollar have barely moved. Okay, that's the reason why dollar have barely moved. Okay, that's the that's the reason why I chose this article. That's, that's the tell.

Speaker 2: 26:32

Because the system and everything you've judged on the past, you know like again we're in this season of war or season of uncertainty. You get spikes and prices, things like gold. People run into goes, countries run to go oh, we've seen that a time and time again. But the metrics and all the stuff that used to work, like when you raise interest rates, like Jerome Powell has, you could lose the price of gold supposed to go down like it did in 2011 when there was showing some strength in the dollar. All that stuff that happened in the past. You would see a decline in gold price. It doesn't happen anymore. Now you're seeing that the US dollar and the bond yields they don't move. The gold market is ending the week with a 3.7% gain, while the US dollar appears poised to close the week with a 1% loss, trading at its lowest level in roughly three years.

Speaker 2: 27:31

The weakness in the US dollar is surprising given the current environment. The US economy is generally viewed as a stable anchor for the global economy. When fear rises, investors traditionally seek safe assets to preserve capital, typically US dollars and treasuries, long considered top-tier safe haven assets. In such scenarios, safe haven demand typically drives both the US dollar and gold higher in tandem. See, they're decoupling. This is where you get to see like stress tests for the global monetary system what we've just taken for granted like. Well, today will be like yesterday, because that's what the day before was like and all the rest, and like you can get normalcy bias, it sneaks up on you. This is how rapidly the global financial system is changing, even in the face of something in traditionally yes, the spike in crude oil prices.

Speaker 2: 28:34

I talked to my good friend who's about to be over in the middle east and travels a lot because he's in the uh, works for a large oil company and a really, really smart guy. I talked to him about geopolitics and the price of crude and where it's going and energy and all the rest, and we're on the same page. You know this. This is going to see a, especially if something happens with the Strait of Hormuz and, you know, a further widening of the war, which is could be already baked into all this. I mean, that's maybe what the planners want to do. This is the opening round of Salvo, whatever it is.

Speaker 2: 29:12

We have to really pay attention to the headlines here and I'll be talking with Donald Jeffries here in the second hour. He's got a new article out and I want to touch on this as well, but there's a lot to unpack the G, the point of this and this article. The reason I brought it up was the, the change right, they're subtle. It's kind of like you go back to 2022, you have Russia invades Ukraine, finally goaded by NATO to do that. They just pushed into that, in my opinion, and that was the point of it, and sanctions were placed in this massive fall in the purchasing power of the ruble and ruble just has this free fall. All of a sudden there's this reset in Russian financial policy and then they talk about pegging some of the ruble to gold, or so many grams based off so many rubles, and there's this recovery and it happens within 90 days.

Speaker 2: 30:19

But during that time the US dollar starts to lose its hegemony. I mean, it went from high 50s in usage around the world to low 40s and that continues to happen. That's called de-dollarization and this is a good example the world. And it's funny because I was talking to Travis last week and I'd covered this like a year ago but they put out the article that said that gold supplanted the euro as the second held most tiered reserve asset for central banks. So the euro used to be number two, Now it's gold. Number one is the dollar. So only one more to go. Gold is already the world's reserve currency.

Speaker 2: 31:03

Folks 's, it's I. I said that on tinfoil hat in december. I'm like I, I really believe that it's just in name only. They're still denominated and having to do business in dollars. Nobody's running into the dollar. Not like that, not like it used to. It used to like, just like this article said, used to be safe haven and and now no longer. The weakness in the US dollar is surprising given the current environment. The US economy is generally viewed as a stable anchor for the global economy. The US economy is generally viewed as a stable anchor for the global economy.

Speaker 2: 31:50

When fear rises, investors traditionally seek safe haven assets to preserve capital. This time, however, gold appears to be climbing alone. Over the past few months, markets have increasingly questioned America's reliability as a trading partner. Since President Donald Trump's Liberation Day, investors have been reluctant to buy US debt, anticipating that trade war will lead to higher inflation and slower growth. The global economy has suffered trillions in losses, as bond yields rose from 3.98% before April to current levels of around 4.42%. So we are now beginning to see the real consequences of this erosion of faith in the United States. As fear escalates, there are fewer perceived safe harbors. Gold continues to shine as the most attractive safe haven asset, free from geopolitical third party risk. Free from geopolitical third-party risk. In a world where old certainties are unraveling, gold isn't just a hedge against inflation or volatility. It's becoming a refuge from a system in flux. Well, that's exactly what it is a system in flux and, of course, a system that is being replaced. That's what the great reset is all about. They even tell you what. They even have a name for it.

Speaker 2: 33:18

All right, well, let me go to the chat really quick, and this, if you'll forgive me, I'm on my laptop. So much fun, I've got to go by. I'm going to send Houston out. I'm going to get all new. I'm going to get some new equipment for both Texas and Missouri. By the way, I'm broadcasting out of beautiful Branson, missouri, this morning, along with my co-pilot and co-host, beans the Brave, which is my 12 and a half pound Maybe she's a little, she's had some treats lately my Chihuahua mix, who travels the world with me. I woke up in my cabin this morning, my acreage, and drove in and just having a time looking through these headlines with you, ladies and gents Always a fun day. All right, I'm over on Rumble. It's good to see everybody. David has a very active chat. There's KWD68.

Speaker 2: 34:25

America's been involved in every war, assassination, civil unrest and regime change since 1945. Uh, yes, you are correct. Yep, since 1945. That's a good place to start. I was talking to my son. He asked me have we had any uh years, dad, like in the last 150 years? And I said well, from 1945 to about 1947. Because at 1947, you got the national security state. That was the NSC document 68 that Harry Truman signed and that's what gave birth to the CIA, the NSA, the Air Force, a few other entities, but that was really the birth of the national security state and that was on the heels of Roswell and other factors that you know the Soviet, the emergence of the Soviet Union as an atomic power and, of course, 1949, you get the fall of mainland China to the communists. So no, we, you know, precipitated Korea Let me see there was a comment over on rumble you thinking we can expect another false flag attack to garner the sheepless support for another mid-east war, tony, well, that's my fear.

Speaker 2: 35:57

That's like the sum of all fears is uh, for me is just getting a some sort of cataclysmic, is just getting some sort of cataclysmic event to suspend disbelief where a lot of the political, those in lockstep with partisanship, because partisanship really is where independent thinking, where wisdom goes to die. Where independent thinking, where wisdom goes to die, partisanship is where the brainwaves cease and you become a cog in a machine for something else other than principle, other than what is right, other than having discernment, and it is really terrifying to watch. Especially you can see that in the. It's why I think they like whatever MAGA is like molding it into whatever they want to mold it into. It's very dangerous because you have people that You've got Kash Patel and Dan Bongino sitting there. Like you know, epstein did kill himself and we can't really release the files, but he really did. And then you got people like, yes, fbi is on our side.

Speaker 2: 37:19

I'm like that's. I think that's how dangerous politics is. I think that's how dangerous politics is, especially if you're emotionally invested, like it's a sports team. You can get dragged into a war and if you're outside of the system, looking at it, saying this is not my America, this is not the country, this is not the republic that I want to serve, I don't understand this. We're going to be in some useless, uh, satanic war, because that's what it is. I mean, it's a ritualistic thing it's awful?

Speaker 2: 37:57

I can't. There is no, um clear and present danger to the security of the united states outside of our borders at this point. They are all inside the borders. I mean, yeah, you have to look at how foreign policy works, and if you talk about the Middle East, or we have to hit a target, or we have to invade or do regime change, that's absolute nonsense. But you see people like Pompeo and others, you see these talk show hosts that are ardent Zionists. They're just coming out like, oh, now, look for the terror event because Israel hit Iran. Look for the terror event in the US. You know a little known. I'm going to talk to, uh, Billy Ray Valentine about this in the third hour, but I remember something. This is funny about having a memory Um January 6th 2020, there was a report that, um, there would be a, a bombing and or sort of terror attack by Iranian terror cells, sleeper cells, how they know?

Speaker 2: 39:15

This is right. They just dropped this. This was an intel. You can go look it up. This was dropped a couple of days before, but it was scheduled for the 6th and, of course, it never happened. But that's what they they were dropping this. Iranian terror cells were going to hit the us january 6, 2020 in response to the killing of general salamani a year earlier. And I covered that um on the david night show in uh in Austin filling in for David. That was a big day because that was an act of war. You know, we've taken out this prominent Iranian official and Trump had done that unilaterally, you know with, I think, drone I think they used a drone or something like that. It was a targeted attack and the blowback from that that's even a great deal of these terror networks.

Speaker 2: 40:13

If we've learned by things like Al-Qaeda which means the database, right, it doesn't mean the base, it means the database, or ISIS or people like John McCain would stand there and have pictures with people in ISIS what we learned is that they are controlled. They have some control by intelligence. They can be steered for regime change or boogeymen and other things, but blowback's a real thing. I mean you look at the concept. You can get the populations motivated to at least aid and abet and assist those who would carry out and be part of that terror network because they hate the West. You know, because we've ruined any semblance of goodwill. You know, around the world, and that's really sad because the American people aren't that way Around the world, and that's really sad because the American people aren't that way. But it's really sad to watch the public opinion too. Like, if you look at public opinion. That's why it's such a good question on a false flag.

Speaker 2: 41:17

I think they did polls, like 80% of Americans or so that get polled online. They don't want anything to do with a Middle Eastern war, so why do we keep getting involved in them? It's like the. I mean I know why, but it's this small majority of lawmakers. Well, not necessarily lobbyists, let's put it that way. Lawmakers are pretty much lockstep for war, I mean, crossed both aisles. But you have this like just small, you know, group of interests, special interests, that push you into war, and then the people are left completely out. Of course, congress abdicated its power a long time ago. Yeah, shield your Eyes, says radical Islam is really a myth as far as threats to national security, goes. Yes, it is.

Speaker 2: 42:13

It is, and only so much as we make it a threat. Yeah, I see. I see you in the comments. I know what you want me to do.

Speaker 2: 42:30

Uh, you guys are funny. All right, um, let me get on this last article in lou rockwellcom. I saw one of the comments. I may not have, um, have had this live everywhere. Maybe I can. I saw where I was supposed to log into, but maybe tomorrow I might have this up up on DLive and Kick. I just saw that comment. So, let me, I'll talk to Travis and make sure I'm there tomorrow. So that's on me, all right, let me.

Speaker 2: 42:59

I found this one interesting. It's a good piece over on Lou Rockwellwell and we're about to be joined by the legendary donald jeffries. Uh, author of hidden history and my friend always, uh, always fun to talk to. You know what's funny? I never like before I have don. I never know what I'm going to talk to him about. He just shows up and we just roll. He's that good.

Speaker 2: 43:24

Let's put this and you'll see where I tied into the first 20 minutes of the show. This is LewRockwellcom, a parade for Trump, and it's Eric S Margolis. This came out today. It says the last American military parade that I saw was the inauguration of President Dwight Eisenhower in 1953. It's not counting my days in the US Army. It was a hell of a show. What impressed me most was the giant M65-203MM atomic cannon that was wheeled up Washington's Pennsylvania Avenue.

Speaker 2: 44:09

I was so deeply impressed by General Eisenhower. There was no huff or puff with him, no wildly inflated claims, no bluster, no efforts to lay the groundwork for a military-run regime. None of what the Soviets used to call bonapartism regime. None of what the Soviets used to call Bonapartism just a real soldier who served America proud and became the finest president of modern times. I still like Ike, but I also detest militarism and fake patriotic warmongering. Every spring I walk the blood-soaked battlefields of World War I in France and sick at heart by the botry and stupidity of the first great modern war. Having been a GI and covered 14 wars and conflicts as a news correspondent, I hate all forms of militarism, flag-waving and patriotic oratory. Just for a second. This reminds me of Gore Vidal, who was a World War II veteran, and the way he said it was like no one ever said a patriotic thing.

Speaker 2: 45:12

You know, it's just an awful duty you have to carry out. I mean, it's only weirdos, like really, you know, kind of like those operators. That operator speak like the guy that was in the bushes at the golf course with an NGO. Yeah, they love that kind of stuff, except one. This is what he goes. This is funny, except one that he says is worth the patriotic flag-waving oratory Francis Bastille Day on 14 July.

Speaker 2: 45:46

Much as I am an ardent anti-militarist, few things thrill or move me as much as seeing France's mass soldiers and firefighters marching down lovely Champs-Élysées and the thunder of hooves of the armed cavalry of the Republican Guard. What a magnificent spectacle. It reminds me of what another great president, thomas jefferson, said every man has two homelands, his own and france. Who has a beating heart that cannot be moved by the mighty strains of the le marseille, france's national anthem, which was originally called the war song of the army of the Rhine? Yeah, it's the 1812 Overture has that in it too. Yeah, the 1812 Overture is not about the war of 1812. It's about the Russians expelling Napoleon from Moscow. Bastille marked the beginning of democracy and human rights for the world. The French Revolution also brought the terror and the Napoleonic Wars, but it's still an epical moment in mankind's history.

Speaker 2: 47:00

Without great amounts of financial and military aid from France, the United States might not have gained its independence Today. It might still be ruled by the same bunch of nincompoops in London who have brought Great Britain so low. Well, in many ways it is because you have the banking institutions and CFR. But ironically, france's gross overspending on supporting the American Revolution led directly to its own revolution in 1789 that overturned its monarchy. All of which is true. This week we'll see a newly minted military extravaganza in Washington whose real purpose is to glorify a president who avoided military service in Vietnam due to a questionable foot problem. As a veteran, this fake triumphal parade leaves me feeling unwell. Militarized politics just what recent past presidents have avoided.

Speaker 2: 48:01

I had been accepted to a PhD at Britain's Cambridge University that would have kept me out of military service, but in an admittedly quixotic act, I enlisted in the regular army to serve in the infantry in Vietnam. Fate kept me in the US teaching senior officer strategy and tactics, but I had at least done my duty as a citizen. In retrospect, vietnam was a lousy, unjust imperial war, but I had served my country, which had given new life to both my parents. I limped through Army basic and advanced infantry training with a broken bone in my left foot, unlike our current commander-in-chief. I wish the government would spend the estimated $45 million earmarked for this ego fest on wounded veterans.

Speaker 2: 48:53

You know you find this a lot. I like this article and you find this a lot in people that actually do military. It's like you have this push-pull between just being absolutely disgusted with militarism and being disgusted with the pomp of it or this blanketed glory of whatever battlefield. You know, speaking to a friend of mine the other day, I was talking about a book that I loved, written by a World War II veteran. It's a well-known historian named William Manchester and it's called Goodbye Darkness. So he's reaching he's about my age or a little bit older at the time so he's, you know, getting up there and he decides he's going to go back to the battlefields that he fought in the Pacific as a Marine in World War II and he's flying over there, he's retracing his steps and it's just haunting, you know, because he's going through reliving a lot of the stuff that he went through as a young man and I love that book because it really is not.

Speaker 2: 50:00

You know painting some picture about how glorious things were or whatever. You know painting some picture about how glorious things were or whatever, but you still have the pull of being proud of certain things and seeing certain things, or you know the value of the fighting spirit. So it really is a push-pull. And I like the subtle jabs, because I do not like militarism either, especially in the face of we literally have like multiple psyops going on. Who's funding that? Side note, I was with Melissa on Saturday and we had an event at our gym here just outside of Branson and we had an event at our gym here just outside of Branson and she was tweeting something and you can go look at her. She's Moark Wild.

Speaker 2: 50:52

Woman on Twitter and she asked Grok, like who funded no Kings? And it doesn't answer. It never answered, like three different tweets who funded it? Which is always what you should always ask first who funded it? Where does the funding come from? Right, that's? Uh, that's always the case, right, is we? We just get the the effect, but, uh, not the cause. All right, all right, let's go over. I had this pulled out. This will make you laugh. Just a little bit of levity this morning, so hopefully it's still up there. Oh, no, let me see if I can find it. I just I think the twitter reset. Oh, that's unfortunate. Let me see if I can pull up Charlie's, because we're going to have the great charlie robinson on tomorrow.

Speaker 2: 51:51

Host of macroaggressions and, uh, author of the octopus of global control and the control demolition of the american empire. I may have to just paraphrase it. I may have to paraphrase it. Yeah, I lost it. I lost the tweet. Anyway, there was a tweet up by Stephen King talking about different myths. It's too good. I've got to find it. Let's see if I can just type it in find, stephen King. It was just so good, if you want a good laugh. Courtesy of Charlie. By the way. It's so funny when you find something you like and then it's hard to get it back. Yeah, okay, this is what Stephen King said. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but there is no Santa Claus, no tooth fairy, also no deep state and vaccines aren't harmful. These are stories for small children and those too credulous to disbelieve them. And my friend Charlie Robinson replied you sound vaccinated. Oh, charlie, I look forward to having him on. That will be fun. We'll talk about that tweet and more tomorrow. Let's go over some.

Speaker 2: 53:32

I like to go to gold telegraph and see what gold telegraphs got going on. One of those fascinating stories of our time right now is that if you look at the and we all talk about the Federal Reserve and the creature from Jekyll Island it got up to like a 900 and some odd billion dollar loss last year. And I I guess I just find that fascinating because the people that make the money lost money just so much fun. I, you know that's the kind of and of course they don't put it that way on financial. It's got to be very complicated. I put this calculator, algorithms and all. It's not that complicated. You lost money and you make the money. You literally make it out of nothing and you lost money. I just crazy. And gold approaching 35.50 in US dollar terms. Let me put this up.

Speaker 2: 54:48

Let's look at some gold telegraph headlines always fun great account over there. Let's see, while we're waiting for Don, just a few more minutes we'll have the great Donald Jeffries over here. Yeah, this is one of the great stories and I'm seeing this. I've actually looked into this. I have posted this before, but it's worth highlighting again. This is a gold, the great stories.

Speaker 3: 55:27

And I'm seeing this.

Speaker 2: 55:28

I've actually looked into this. I have posted this before, but it's worth highlighting again. This is a gold ATM in China. It melts the gold and transfers the amount corresponding to its weight to your bank account. Gold Telegraph says the future is calling these kind of things. I think are when you start to see gold. I mean it is already getting there, and I have two gold and silver locations and I promise you, like the urban gold mining is starting to go on. People are going to garage sales, people are going to thrift stores, people are finding and that's true of silver too, I mean with silver past, you know, $36 an ounce there's going to be urban silver mining as well, and you can get in on that.

Speaker 2: 56:09

If you make some extra money. That's making extra money by just being. You can sell it to me. If you need help, you want to learn how to buy a little bit of gold, put an ad out that you buy gold. You can do that. It's a great way to make a little bit extra money. Or go find it yourself. Just go hunting and pecking. It's fun. Sometimes I think about the term gold bug and how people mocked anyone serious about gold. It's crazy. Now it's the world's second largest reserve asset and a key piece on the geopolitical chessboard, it says. Today, with everything unfolding, it's almost reckless not to pay attention. Well, that's true, and what's weird is that the traditional legacy finance and everything you're just going to get.

Speaker 2: 56:59

There's so much that's going to get left behind and that's why I think I've been watching this really closely. And on the other end of the spectrum, another part of my business, which is Bitcoin you have BlackRock and Larry Fink and all these people, these big players, these hedge fund people slowly and not necessarily slowly on BlackRock's part, but some of the other wealth funds are looking at Bitcoin and you see all these treasury companies popping up. We're hitting a gold's part of this, silver's part of this, but we're hitting an era where there's moving away from the fiat experiment. You have to understand that's an experiment. In 1971, nixon goes off, the gold standard takes us off, the gold standard closes the gold window, so we have a free-floating fiat currency. That's an experiment.

Speaker 2: 57:50

The average lifespan is about 26 years in history. They all go to zero. We can't go to zero. I mean the lights go out, so like they have to do something, it has to be, but they can't continue just to print, because that's just debasement into oblivion.

Speaker 2: 58:06

I think there's going to be some sort of new Bretton Woods agreement, maybe like the Mar-a-Lago Accords, somebody will do something. If we still lead, it might be the BRICS nations that do it. We might just be so distracted by cultural Marxism and mental illness that we can't get anything done anymore, which would be terrible. But the world's going to reset the monetary system and it'll have maybe a basket of commodities, might be, might be something based on Bitcoin, could be it has. It has to change, though, and the inverse is really the only option, because just expanding the bubble, and maybe that's where stable coins come in and it's where the danger of a backdoor central bank digital currency as well, but that's what we cover over on the Art of Burn radio transmission. So go subscribe to my show if you can. Transmission. So go subscribe to my show if you can.

Speaker 2: 59:05

We're going to be coming up with a new show very soon, uh, on geopolitics, uh, precious metals, bitcoin. Um, it's gonna be a weekly thing. I'll let you know once a week. We're gonna we're gonna announce that pretty soon. Um, working on it. All right, let me see if we've got dawn yet. I'm not quite. Mr je Jeffries likes to jump in right at the last minute. He's a lot of fun. I was going to go back to the check on the comments. Free thinking, florida, moms on my, on my exes. There are solutions to this nonsense going on. David has interviewed Dr Shiva and the application of system science is a way out of this slavery to a broken system. Please revisit this with him.

Speaker 3: 59:59

I don't.

Speaker 2: 59:59

Yeah. When's the last time he's been on the show you guys can get him back on. Nibiro 2029 said if you own gold today, the government will own it tomorrow. Let's hope not. That's why. That's why I don't really my thing. We already have a gold standard ourselves. It's almost like when the government itself gets involved with gold and silver, when they get involved with the monetary system, when they get involved with owning the currency, I get skeptical because history doesn't show where they've run it that well. Actually, there's no example.

Speaker 2: 1:00:48

And if you look at something like what happened in 1933, and this is where you have some wisdom here in your statement is that it became illegal for you to own gold in the United States. It wasn't until 1974. Gerald Ford, I think, coming up on Christmas Eve, made it in 1974, made it legal, free to own gold. So all that whole time we were on a gold standard. You know, in the 1933 and onward it was illegal for you to own gold. I need to get my chat as healthy as David's chat. Let me go back and check and see if Don's hearing it there he is, there's.

Speaker 2: 1:01:38

Mr Jeffries, donald Jeffries how you doing, tony good to see you in a while.

Speaker 1: 1:01:47

Yeah, it's been a while. I'm getting, I'm getting, I'm getting echo are you for me?

Speaker 2: 1:01:51

for me, yeah yeah okay, um, do you want to try coming back? It might be just your audio. You want to try to try to reset? It and come back in should be okay. Sometimes we have to do this. Sometimes we have to reset the audio. Folks, that's what you do when you're your own producer. I need to have a Travis or a Whistler. How about now, Don?

Speaker 4: 1:02:17

Okay. Now I still hear it Really, yeah, yeah. Hmm, it's just an echo when you speak yes, yes but not me no, no not you you want me to try, let me try clicking on the link again yeah, maybe try that. Um, yeah, I'm not, I'm not so sure why you would, why you would?

Speaker 2: 1:02:40

have an echo sir, okay, okay. I'm not so sure why you would have an echo sir, okay, okay. All right, folks stand by, we'll see if we can get Don back in here. If not, we'll see if we can power through it with his echo. That's really when you try to do shows and you can't like it's hard to hear yourself too. I've done that and it's it's a pretty maddening.

Speaker 4: 1:03:09

So I don't want to drive.

Speaker 2: 1:03:10

Don insane Okay.

Speaker 4: 1:03:10

Okay.

Speaker 2: 1:03:12

Is this work Still here. Well, I guess I'm doing it, I'm just distracting We'll have you know, if you wanted to, um, you could go to wonder if you could do the audio just off your laptop by itself. You wouldn't have the headphones, but I mean, you just have a different kind of audio or you could do it on your phone, don, yeah, I could try If you wanted to try that.

Speaker 4: 1:03:44

Yeah. Let me just try this. Change the setting here again I don't think it is, but listen yeah, I think, uh, you're and your.

Speaker 2: 1:03:53

Your usb mic is, I believe is, plugged in yeah, I can't hear you there yet don't. This is like me every week now with uh right now.

Speaker 4: 1:04:04

Right now, no, I still. I still have it.

Speaker 2: 1:04:08

It's bizarre I get, I get yeah.

Speaker 4: 1:04:10

I can't, you can, you can let me just try, let me just try my see, if people see, if people can hear me Okay.

Speaker 2: 1:04:17

Okay.

Speaker 4: 1:04:21

Okay, okay Can people okay, okay because can people, can people hear that? Yeah, I can hear you don't you're still gonna get an echo with that do you really?

Speaker 2: 1:04:29

yeah, yeah, geez okay, yeah, okay, yeah, you can text me um see if you can um try it one more time with your usb mic, since I stopped the screen. See if that helped.

Speaker 4: 1:04:52

Just making sure, and if not, we'll, I'll figure it out, don Okay Okay.

Speaker 2: 1:04:55

Okay. Do you want me to text it to you? Don?

Speaker 4: 1:05:01

Yeah, I guess.

Speaker 2: 1:05:03

Okay, let me see what I can do. Okay, sorry about that. That's all right, here's what I'll do. Let's see If you have an echo when I remove my microphone. See if you still have an echo.

Speaker 4: 1:05:19

Hello, how are you? No, I don't have an echo now.

Speaker 2: 1:05:24

All right, you cover the show really quick and talk about your new article that's up on Lou Rockwell. I was going to talk about your new article that's up right now, and then I'll send you a link and you can come back in through your phone ok, ok, well, good to see everybody out there and I'm seeing there's people in the chat here.

Speaker 4: 1:05:45

Hopefully you guys should be able to hear me okay now. I don't know what's going on here, but I seem to get these problems a lot. I haven't. I don't know, maybe it's part of a shadow ban or whatever. Yeah, I hope those of you who are not subscribed to me on Substack will do so. It's Donald Jeffries at Substackcom. It's called iProtest, just like my weekly live streaming podcast on these same fine platforms from 5 to 7 pm Eastern. You can go there.

Speaker 4: 1:06:11

My latest one is about the mostly peaceful protesters, which I guess turned out to be pretty much a big nothing and kind of juxtaposed against the military parade, which I think kind of unfairly. It was kind of a strange coincidence that it coincided with Trump's birthday, but it was actually planned before that. It was a oh, somebody's saying they still hear an echo. Okay, hopefully not now. Let me know in the chat if you can hear an echo now. Yeah, it should be gone now, because I can't hear it anyway. But you know, so that was really a military thing that was planned. It's still pretty stupid, I think, and it's not a good look, I'm not sure why, why you would want to celebrate the military at this point, maybe when you know we're getting ready to go into World War Three. Oh good, here it's gone. Thank you for your thinking.

Speaker 4: 1:07:04

And then you have the kind of theatrics that Trump is diving in, where Trump is kind of seemingly bragging and complaining, both bragging about how great his crowd was for the big army parade as opposed to the big nothing burger of the no kings rallies, and of course the other side is saying that Trump's rally was a big nothing burger and that he's mad. And you know he's upset because the no Kings rally had more people. Who knows, I don't know. I think they're both pretty stupid, to be honest with you. And again it kind of illustrates the problem we have with these two poisonous left and right paradigm where we're looking at, on the one side you have the what's supposed to be the answer to the craziness of the woke left and that that would be trump. And I said in my article I I mean it's as if I was right about the trumpetstein project and there's a director off stage that is telling trump okay, now what we want you to do, exactly what people think hitler would do, because that's what it was basically. I mean, he's sitting there saluting the tanks and everything you know it's. It's just ridiculous.

Speaker 4: 1:08:08

It was not a good look, but um, so again, that's uh, and I I will definitely be addressing, uh, I'll be writing in the next couple days. I'll definitely be talking about the iran, iraq, the iran um israel conflagration, which you know. It's very interesting that, once again, you know, there's no question, unequivocally, israel started this, they struck first, and yet they're probably still using the same defense that you know. Israel has a right to defend themselves, defend themselves from what I mean you did, did, and not only that, but I think they ticked off. Even people certainly picked. They ticked off a lot of people in the maga movement. Marjorie taylor green is lost now. She had a beautiful tweet out there where she was saying this is really stupid to be supporting iran and everything, but uh, I mean just to be supporting israel at this point. But uh, you, they did this in the middle of what were supposed to be peace talks they were supposed to be, you know, negotiating peace and Israel launches a Pearl Harbor type attack.

Speaker 4: 1:09:14

And then they wonder and I again, how much of this is real? I don't know. There are people out there who believe this is all staged. I had Susan Olson on my show yesterday. Those of you who don't know she was Cindy Brady on the Brady Bunch. She's a good friend of mine and very awake and she's always a great guest. But she was one of those people who kind of believes maybe the stuff in California was staged and she was talking about. You know, a lot of people think that these videos are from a previous date, that they're not live. So who knows? And she lives in California, she's not necessarily near there, she's not in Los Angeles, but she said, you know, I didn't see any signs of it. So who knows how much of this is scripted and theatrical. But all we know is that when the dust settles, as always, I don't make any predictions. I'm not going to be like Alex Jones and you know, come on, never walk closer to World War III than we've ever been, which he does pretty much every show for the last, you know, five years or so. But I'm not going to do that because I don't know. They've been holding back on this, thank goodness, for a long time and I hope they continue to just use the fear porn of this. But I get the sense that, you know, I could be wrong because they could come up with a, the sense that I could be wrong because they could come up with a Pearl Harbor type false flag that will convince the masses.

Speaker 4: 1:10:29

Remember, back before Pearl Harbor, american public opinion was dead set against us entering the European war. World War II, and you had lots of the left was involved in the America first movement, which was I had loved when Trump used to say America first. Now he hasn't said America first for a long, long time. Make america great again. That's not the same thing. Uh, america first was definitely a shout out to that movement, which was a great movement, and it consisted mostly of left-wing people, classical liberals of the day, who most of them had their careers ruined by franklin roosevelt in Roosevelt, in the earliest example of cancel culture that we can find. So you know, here we are. Are we on the brink of World War III?

Speaker 4: 1:11:14

I don't know, but I do think that it looks on the surface like Israel may not be quite the match for Iran by themselves.

Speaker 4: 1:11:23

You know, it's like this is a boxing match and they stepped in the ring.

Speaker 4: 1:11:25

It's like with Buster Douglas against Mike Tyson, you know Buster Douglas is knocking it down, you know, and it's like I really think that, because it looks like again, if and whatever, to the ever degree this is real, uh, then, uh, it looks like they're inflicting some damage on israel and giving at least as good as they're getting, and, uh, so clearly israel is calling for our big brother, us, you know, I don't mean big brother, but the big brother that always defends them against the Arabs, who just have the impoliteness, you know, the chutzpah, to basically object to them being in their midst there and taking over this land and being armed to the teeth.

Speaker 4: 1:12:10

I mean, we've created the third most powerful military in the world in Israel, israel's about the size of Rhode Island. So it's without us. They are nothing, and I'm not saying I want that to happen, but they would have been overrun by all those angry Arabs a long time ago Without us. The only thing that has kept them afloat is our military technology, our military assistance when we need to be, and that right now, apparently, they need more. They need, and you know, will, trump. Do you have any confidence Trump is going to stand up to them? Who knows, maybe if I was Iran, I still hear it, I still hear it.

Speaker 2: 1:12:50

You want to go ahead and try off. I texted you the link on your cell phone. You want to come back in Don Gotcha?

Speaker 4: 1:12:55

Gotcha, gotcha Okay.

Speaker 2: 1:12:56

I'd hate to cut you off. You're doing so good, but I wanted to no, no, no problem. Okay. Right, right, thank you, thank you All right, we'll wait for Don to come back. I was thinking of just why he was speaking about the history of Israel and the wars that it's been in, and it really is kind of a counterintuitive thing. But you think of terrorism and you think of the Middle East and the PLO, but that's not really what threatens Israel? What threatens Israel is nation states.

Speaker 2: 1:13:31

You go back to 1967 and the Six-Day War and that's where you get. That was at the same time at the USS Liberty, you know, trying to bring that in through a you know, false flag operation, trying to widen that. Because that was, israel was on the brink of losing its nation estate. I mean it's losing its nation estate, I mean it's losing its sovereignty because the Arab states around it were pushing for its destruction. Same thing in 1973 with the Yom Kippur War and that just happened to find a very inebriated Richard Nixon holed up in the Lincoln sitting room getting very angry that he had to deal with that. At the same time, as you know, his presidency was taken apart by Watergate and the and the deep state and he decided to. He just basically drinking Johnny Walker scotch, told the, told Kissinger and others. You know that they better let the Russians know, let the Soviets know and of course their counterparts.

Speaker 2: 1:14:36

And you know that they better let the Russians know, let the Soviets know and of course their counterparts and you know, like Egypt, that if, uh, israel, you know, is invaded, that uh, he'll drop the big one and um, that's pretty much what saved Israel. And then there was some, uh, flights and other things, flights and other things, but he, you know, he used some military aid and some rush things in there, but it was really the threat of US intervention. So Don is absolutely correct and that's a long lineage of Israeli foreign policy and the US being unfortunately joined at the hip. Let me add Don, to see how do we sound now, don.

Speaker 4: 1:15:13

Okay, nice, nice, I still have an echo are you on another device?

Speaker 2: 1:15:18

let's see if. Are you still logged into your other computer?

Speaker 4: 1:15:21

no, I know I left the computer that's bizarre.

Speaker 2: 1:15:26

Well, you know what I here's. Here's what I want to do. Don once you come back in on the computer like you're comfortable and, uh, let's talk about, I'll just get. I'll just uh, hop off the stream and let you finish because you were making so much sense. I'll just join the comments. You want to do that. We'll put Professor Jeffries back in for the rest of the hour. You can just go. I'll jump in the chat. I'd hate to. I know it's hard for me to even do shows if there's an echo like that, so I understand it.

Speaker 1: 1:15:52

Why don't we just do that? Keep talking about it. Go back to your article.

Speaker 2: 1:15:55

Thank you sir.

Speaker 2: 1:15:56

All right, we'll do that. Ladies and gents, we're going to wait for Don Jeffries to pop back in. These are the fun times of the technical difficulties, everything updated as a matter of fact. Not that this is boring, but the last three times I've tried to get into the David Knight show Not that this is boring, but like the last three times I've tried to get into the David Knight show like this roadcaster or whatever wouldn't comport with Zoom. It'll work on Zoom calls, but not this show. And then I couldn't hear them, and then last week they couldn't hear me so I had to do it on my phone. So fun times. We're working on it, anyway. But Don's absolutely right.

Speaker 2: 1:16:36

And you know, look at the. The history of it and then I was thinking of was at night time is 1983, I could be wrong about that was close to that. It was Osiris, which you know. The Iraqis were working with the French on a nuclear reactor and the Israelis just blew it up, and the reason is because they already you know they don't want nuclear proliferation, even though they were proliferating nuclear weapons.

Speaker 2: 1:17:01

So you know, through us by the way, it's another and Don can speak to this about the Israeli Prime Minister. Begin, you know, was in the 1960s, with nuclear proliferation and Kennedy. But the US and the Israelis have a long history, unfortunately with intertwined not mutual interest, by the way, not at all mutual interest, but very much intertwined foreign policy. And that is the rub Let me put on Don and Don, I'm just going to let you continue.

Speaker 2: 1:17:37

I was going to say. I talked a little bit about the 1980s military strike by Israel on Osirik, which was the Iraqi nuclear facility that they were working with the French to put in, and the Israelis just blew it up to put in, the israelis just blew it up. I talked about the uss liberty, you know, back in 67 with the own. It's kind of a false flag to pull the us in.

Speaker 2: 1:18:00

Or you know, lyndon johnson cover that up, but uh, also the nuclear proliferation. I just threw that out there. So all this you know with uh, with bagan in the 1960s and kennedy. So anyway, I'll let you, I'll let you go and and finish, and I will, uh, I'll be in the chat with you yeah keep me on target. I appreciate it thanks, very much.

Speaker 4: 1:18:23

Thanks to Tony for understanding and I'm sorry I can't believe he thinks my voice is coming out of Tony's. I don't know what it is, but it's really bizarre that it was working on the same thing. I was having that effect on the phone as well. Don't know, I don't know what it is, but it's that's really bizarre that it uh, it was working on, uh, you know the same thing. I was having that effect on the phone as well, but anyway, you know, I think it's. You know.

Speaker 4: 1:18:42

What I find amazing at this point is, for the first time in my life, you really have more and more talk about israel is getting more criticism in america than they ever have. The entire left, uh is, and that's why I haven't. I haven't heard. Maybe, you know, maybe you guys have heard more, because I don't watch mainstream news, but I'm getting the impression that, um, the left doesn't seem to care quite as much about iran as they do about gaza, and they should care about gaza. But I would like to see and I, you know, I dared gavin newsom on, uh, not that he's going to pay attention to me, but he, he was, he was, you know he's. You see him on Twitter. He's he's adopting this tough guy mode. Now you know he's out there and he's you know he's going to kick Trump's butt. Basically is what he's saying and uh, he's acting like this tough guy. And so I said hey, you know, gavin, uh, um, show us where you're really courageous.

Speaker 4: 1:19:30

Condemn Israel's first strike on Iran. Condemn that, and then condemn the guy. You know that you can't stand Trump. Condemn the fact that he's supporting it. I've heard that he's done that. I don't think he will. But if the left does do that, if the left now starts condemning because they seem to have been restricting their criticisms of Israel to the treatment of the Palestinians, which is certainly true they should, you know, be criticized for that. And who knows how many people they've killed in Gaza, and you can see the wreckage in Gaza. It's obvious, it's something horrific has happened there. So they should be criticizing that. But I'd like to see them criticize overall ties with Israel, and not just because it's an apartheid state or whatever you know stuff that they want to frame it in woke terms, but because it's an artificial state that was created.

Speaker 4: 1:20:23

And I guess that's why I go back to the beginning. I'm with the Arabs, you know. That said in the beginning, I think we need to look at this from the very beginning. And that doesn't mean, you know, that people in Israel, every human being, has a right to exist. Of course they have a right to exist, but that doesn't mean they have a right to exist there. You know, we all have a right to exist.

Speaker 4: 1:20:43

But if you decide to, you know I'm going to take over my neighbor's backyard because, uh, you know, my religious philosophy says that. You know, this was my land originally and I want it. You're not going to get very far. Nobody's going to sympathize with you, at least of all the neighbor that owns that yard. So you just can't do what they did and expect no reprieve.

Speaker 4: 1:21:07

And it's amazing that there hasn't been a World War precipitated out of that before this. To be honest with you, because this is, you know, that seems to be one of the culminations of World War II. What happened afterwards? Well, zionism was born, not only the Cold War and the Iron Curtain over Europe, with, you know, suddenly our allies, uncle Joe Stalin, and then suddenly they became the Hobbit goblins and we had to fight them indirectly. Of course, we never know. That's it's an answer to a trivia question for those of you out there, the only, um, the only world leader that ever confronted the soviet unions directly, directly on the battlefields, uh, was adolf hitler. For what it is. Just as we never did, we never, we never constructed, we never confronted the soviet union, we could indirectly. You know, we had proxy wars in k, in Korea and Vietnam certainly, but we didn't, we never did anything to them, just as we weren't about to do anything to China.

Speaker 4: 1:22:01

And I think we're seeing a little bit of that American attitude. Well, you know I don't know if we're you know, we've been picking on these third world countries that can't fight back, and Israel has a little bit of that attitude too. And they may be looking at Iran. That looks like Iran can fight back Again, to whatever degree this is legitimate. This could all be theater, we don't know, but I do. Maybe I'm wishful thinking, but I think that because of the world we have now America 2.0, you've got the generation of youngsters in America that would have to serve I mean Bobby Kennedy very memorably. I assume he's correct. He studies this stuff, you know, and I think he's accurate.

Speaker 4: 1:22:41

So, something like 70% or maybe over 70% of draft age, you know, if they reinstituted the draft because they'd have to. If they had a world war service, ageicans would not be physically or emotionally or mentally. They would have some kind of issue that would cause them to be uh, for effort, whatever. They wouldn't be able to serve in the military. So I don't know that you could form an army. I mean, I don't know, I hope they're not going to go. For, you know, truly old guys like me or something, I'm sure I threatened to go to canada, back in vietnam. Luckily I barely missed that end. So, uh, you know, I'd old guys like me or something. I threatened to go to Canada, back in Vietnam. Luckily I barely missed that. So you know, I'd have to go to Canada then, I guess.

Speaker 4: 1:23:22

But I don't get the sense that anybody and I think again, it's because the left, especially the base of just the common voter, is fed up with Israel, and it's mostly, but I don't think that you're going to get the left support on this at all because Israel has become one of their bogeymen, clearly. So I don't think they're going to, you know, they're going to send their kids or themselves are going to go and fight for Israel. It's just, it's so obvious, and especially when the way this started, where, you know, israel fired the first shot and I heard Alex Jones and others you know apologize, while claiming they're not apologizing but they are apologizing for Israel saying well, you know, iran attacked Israel a while back. Okay, and I don't know the nuances of that, because I but I'm sure Israel attacked them first. That would be my guess. Nuances of that, because I but I'm sure Israel attacked them first. That would be my guess. And so this is.

Speaker 4: 1:24:19

This is the problem that when you you have, it's basically a rogue state out there and it's I don't know that we've ever had a nation like that in the history of the world that it's a parasitic state where it feeds off the lifeblood of another state. I don't know what kind of industry Israel actually has, but they depend so much on our lifeline that I think if we just finally cut them off, they'd be like a trust fund kid this trust fund kid, trust fund was cut off and okay, now you got to go figure out how to deal with the world. I don't think they could do it and I think they would be overrun. And I'm not saying I want that to happen, I don't want anybody to be hurt, but clearly it doesn't look like there's any way to cause.

Speaker 4: 1:25:09

You know Jimmy Carter tried in the 70s. You know, give him credit for that. He was the closest thing to even-handed in the Middle East we've had since JFK. As Tony mentioned, jfk was involved in a very heated war of words with David Ben-Gurion, the original president of Israel at the time of his assassination. Just coincidentally enough, people can look at that the way they want.

Speaker 4: 1:25:35

I don't think Israel was the main trigger man behind the JFK assassination. Just coincidentally enough, and people can look at that the way they want. I don't think Israel was the main trigger man behind the JFK assassination, but it looks like there was some kind of involvement because the recent JFK font releases. What we saw is that all of the formerly redacted items virtually all of them had to do with Israel and give Tulsi Gabbard credit for that. There's something that she got rid of the redactions and I don't know. There's people who go deep down the rabbit hole and say they want people to know this for some reason. This is something. Maybe they want the anti-Jewish sentiment. I don't know, because you're getting that If you watch YouTube, especially the black YouTubers.

Speaker 4: 1:26:11

Now Jason Whitlock and it's amazing, jason Whitlock is part of the Blaze Network. That's Glenn Beck, and Glenn Beck has been on the air saying how committed he is to Israel. It's his favorite country and again, he's an American, he's not Jewish. So you wouldn't expect to have a Glenn Beck. That's almost like being on the Daily Wire with Ben Shapiro. But Jason Whitlock says whatever he wants. He interviewed Michael E Jones, who very much has the views of David Duke. He interviewed him and Whitlock openly talks and smiles and chuckles and talks about the tribe. I mean, I sit there and I just I can't believe this guy's doing this, but I don't know if it's because he's black, he's Latino. And if you look at kind of a more humorous note, if you look at the Hodge twins who are, again, yeah, they're you know they're not intellectuals but they have.

Speaker 4: 1:27:06

You know, they have good kind of common sense. They're like a lot of people I worked with back in the days who know a lot more than Ivy Leaguers in terms of what's going on street-level smarts and they've had David Duke on there but they talk openly about Jewish power and mock Israel and everything. Again, they've got millions of subscribers. Mark Dice I was watching a video for him yesterday. I don't think Alex Jones is going to invite him back on anytime soon. He is very, very openly anti-Israel and skeptical of the power the Zionists hold over American society. It's great to see this. Is wonderful to see at least a large portion, even Tucker Carlson, I think Tucker Carlson said what did he say? Of course it wasn't anything that extreme, but he, he kind of. He said something like you know, this is we. We should not be involved at all. You know what trump should? I can't remember exactly. Maybe people probably read it, but, um, you know, the idea that somebody that mainstream is doing it. Uh, I, I think we've we've reached a point where I don't think they're going to be able to sell this. Maybe they don't care and they don't claim if they can sell it or not, and they'll just come out and be as tyrannical as they want to be. I hope that all these other skirmishes between Israel and, whether it's Lebanon or Syria or, you know, iran, iraq, all of the litany of enemies that we become involved with, because it just happened to be something that the enemies of Israel and Israel's worried about them, and that's you know, they've captured an entire foreign policy. And when's the last time we I mean you can argue, trump, some of the things he's done go against the Israelis, and he's certainly trying to off and on. You know it's maddening, but he reaches out an olive branch to Putin all the time and I don't know if you heard recently he's and this is one of Trump's, you know great suggestions that you'll probably never hear again. He said, hey, let's have, let's have Putin be the, you know, the intermediary and broker peace between Iran and Iraq. Can you imagine that? But that's what Trump suggested. I don't know if he'll go along with that. He'll come up with something else the next day, or something he might say let's let Ben Shapiro do it. I don't know, for all I know.

Speaker 4: 1:29:32

So I think when you have this pro-Zionist, obviously that run things in our society, in our government especially, and you have more and more obviously an anti-Zionist sentiment against the people, especially when you have that left which is so supposedly run things. When you have Greta Thunberg, I mean I thought it was interesting that you know people like James Woods, who is just a lot of interesting stuff, but he's in the boat for Israel. All these guys are in the tank for Israel, but they all started making fun of poor little Greta Thunberg. I mean Greta, you know. You know we all kind of chuckled, made fun of her because you know how dare you. You know she comes from a, you know a major acting family in her country. I know that's, you know, hard to believe, but clearly she was as jason whitlock says. She was installed. They installed her for a purpose on climate change, but was that by accident? She went off the reservation and now they're trying to reign her in when she started talking about israel, or was that again part of the of the script? But wasn't she arrested or something by the Israel boat? I don't know. I haven't kept track of it, but I know she's been ridiculed by even some of the people that used to like her because now she's not talking about climate change and Tony, here this would be the question, if you could hear us in the high water mark for right-wing Christian Zionism was passed circa 2014.

Speaker 4: 1:30:59

It declined now, but still very dangerous and oppressive to America for a shiny object. Yeah, I would say it probably has to, and I think that's the only thing that keeps it afloat is the fact that these people and again, I don't want to offend anybody listening, whatever, but um, if you look back at the history, the rapture and christian fundamentalism, it's what is it? Maybe a little over 100 years old, but I think it's the scofield bible or particular bible I've heard. You know, certainly not in the dewey reams bible. You know which is what I have? It's an old catholic bible, but, um, so I think that a lot of that, because that's the only way you can sell this.

Speaker 4: 1:31:37

What Israel's done from the beginning and Tony mentioned Menachem Begin, who was a, if he wasn't a terrorist, I don't know what was. He participated in blowing up the King David Hotel right after Israel was born, and lots of people were killed and they just they glossed over the stuff, and this is probably what got people like James Forrestal murdered, and maybe Joe McCarthy too, because James Forrestal was a term in Secretary of Defense and he was probably the most high profile critic. Old Joe Kennedy was too JFK's dad, probably the most high profile critic of Israel. Saying this is really stupid. And he was Secretary of Defense, so you weren't going to get too far in building Israel with a Secretary of Defense like that. You know, before he was actually the first Secretary of Defense. Before that it was Secretary of War. He was the first modern Secretary of Defense.

Speaker 4: 1:32:23

But, as people may or may not know, he ended up supposedly jumping from a window at Bethesda Naval Hospital. Most of us think he was pushed and Joe McCarthy certainly thought he was. Joe McCarthy was his big, it was a good friend. I quote this all the time. I do it on Rents. All the Rents loves it. But supposedly and I think it sums up the conspiracy we're facing better than anything else, and that's James Forrestal supposedly told McCarthy at one time because they were good friends.

Speaker 4: 1:32:51

You know, mccarthy, if there wasn't a giant conspiracy, once in a while they'd make a mistake in our favor, and I think that sums it up perfectly Once in a while they'd make it something. Once in a while there'd be something random, there'd be something there'd be good, like some, a Trump would come along. A renegade billionaire that couldn't be controlled would come along. Because that was what sold me to Trump. You know Roger Stone, when he was the first prominent person. You know that's when I knew maybe I had something in history in my first book, because he contacted me and said how much he loved it and he ended up writing it forward to the paperback. So, for good or bad, his name's associated with mine because his name's on the cover of by far my best-selling book. Associated with mine because his name is on the cover of by far my best-selling book.

Speaker 4: 1:33:41

But he was telling me you know Trump saw this stuff. You know behind the scenes he's been making his money and that made sense to me. You know that you would make money, you'd play the game and in his early rhetoric Trump would talk about that. He'd say you know, yeah, I took advantage of the bankruptcy laws, which he still made fun of and it's true he declared bankruptcy 10 times or whatever. But that was a good strategic move for somebody in his class, because the bankruptcy laws are built for people like that. People don't know Barack Obama, the man of the people. He changed the bankruptcy laws during his administration to make it harder for average people to declare bankruptcy. But the, you know, the I think chapter seven maybe, is what most people use. But whatever Trump and his ilk use, that's still there, that's still allowed. But you know, trump, it made perfect sense to me that he would. He would be, you know, at cocktail parties and you know, checking out all the young women, which is what he did, and and just biding his time and saying, you know, checking out all the young women, which is what he did, and and just biding his time and saying, you know, I got kids.

Speaker 4: 1:34:38

Because I think you know what we, what we feel to do is when we demonize people, we think that maybe you know that they're, they're, you know they're these devils and they don't like and that's what made John Kennedy so great in that American University speech and we just passed the the, that, the 62nd anniversary of the American University and he was the first American, the first world leader I know, to see his enemies in human terms and he talked about at the time the Russians were our enemies. Now, ironically, they are again. But he said you know, they breathe the same air we do. They cherish their children's future, and I don't think any like in World War II, you can't imagine Roosevelt saying, well, you know, sure, we're fighting the Germans, but they cherish their children's future. Most Americans wouldn't believe they were human enough to even care about their children.

Speaker 4: 1:35:30

And so I think that's why, when we look at now, when something like that, where somebody like a Trump I mean, no matter what you think of him, I haven't heard anything really that he's a horrible father or anything so maybe he cherished his children's future too, not that they have much to worry about, but maybe he looked at that and said, hey, I want, you know, I want to bet. I don't want everybody. I made my money, they're set financially. I don't want everybody. I made my money, they're set financially, but I don't know. I obviously didn't look like that was true, but that's what Roger Stone was telling me. So if there wasn't this monolithic conspiracy to stop people, then you would have, or you go back to Ross Perot in 1992.

Speaker 4: 1:36:11

Ross Perot seemed more genuine than Trump, obviously, and he wasn't talking about all the issues Trump was. But you had the basic sense hey, something's wrong and we need to. Certainly we need to stop the trade deal so we don't have the giant sucking sound and he was one of the most important people that we're trying to. He sent a private team over to try to rescue POWs and MIAs. It's a completely forgotten, completely forgotten issue. We just left them there and who knows how many died because of that. But uh, you know, perot looked great and I was skeptical at the times. I said you know, larry king's interviewing him and all these people's like you know you're gonna run for president. It's like they wouldn't do that to a real outsider. But he sounded. All indications were he was a real nice guy in person.

Speaker 4: 1:36:56

And then he suddenly drops out of the race when he's ahead in the polls, and that you know. Did they have the conversation with him? Was he legitimate? And did they take him aside and say you know, this is over, you're not going to be able to win? And then he jumped back in belatedly, but jumping out he lost enough support. So instead of he lost about half his support because in most of the polls he was ahead, most of the time in the high 30s percentage, and then you had Bush and Clinton trailing behind, both in 30-some percent, and when he came back in he ended up getting 19%, which was still the highest amount since Teddy Roosevelt in 1912, whatever it was, but it was 1912, I think. But you know. So this is something that's possible, but we never see any randomness. So when Forrestal told McCarthy that he was exactly right, that you know we would have, we don't see any randomness because we know I mean Thomas Massey it wasn't random that Thomas Massey by far the best person in Congress, maybe the best person we've had a long, long time, you know gave that incredible interview to Tucker Carlson where he talked about Israeli influence and he talked about AIPAC.

Speaker 4: 1:38:19

And he did it with humor. But obviously it doesn't work. You know, you can joke all you want, but you don't joke about this stuff. And he talked about he was the only Republican in Congress who didn't have an AIPAC babysitter. He didn't have an AIPAC handler. Aipac is the Israeli lobby and it's, you know, it controls Congress. Obviously.

Speaker 4: 1:38:39

And boy, you know, after that interview, it was less than a week his wife suddenly died. His wife was in great shape, early 50s. They had just taken a vacation with the grandchildren and I still have not. I wrote an article about Substack on Substack at the time but I still had not heard any explanation given for her sudden death. To my amazement, massey didn't suddenly become a supporter of Israel. He was one of those who boycotted Netanyahu speaking to Congress and he's still speaking out. So it didn't shut him up. But I have to think that those two events were unfortunately connected.

Speaker 4: 1:39:18

But you would have more people like Massey. Because let's put this, let's say you know people know my heroes. Those of you who know me know my political heroes, huey Long. But somebody selling you could take Huey Long's speeches word for word and have a charismatic figure come out today and that would be so appealing to the masses. I mean, you talk about something that's selling the sizzle that would sell, like Lisa Douglas used to say on Green Acres hotcakes. You know that would sell very easily. And how could people not be receptive to that? Because you would get a cross-section of the left and the right. You would get true populism. You know all those people out there in the working class that are not getting raises anymore. They've had their pensions taken from them but are still required to pay. You know pensions of all these civil servants that have, you know, sometimes six-figure pensions, very often have six-figure pensions. That would really resonate with them.

Speaker 4: 1:40:18

Why do we have to keep making the sacrifice? We have nothing we can sacrifice, but no one's done it Nobody. In Huey Long's family, I mean, there's not a single member and I think it's because they can't. Because if they try to, I mean I've thought people have mentioned me running to Congress many times over the years. I've thought about it because I'm pretty sure I could sell something to the people, but the problem is neither party would let me and you can't if you're not and Tony knows that better than anybody when he tried to run for Congress if you're not part of that two-party system, unless you're somebody like a Rossoss perot that came out of nowhere and, for whatever reason, you know, was getting interviewed by, uh, larry king, and you saw what happened to robert f kennedy jr.

Speaker 4: 1:41:03

He wanted to be an independent and you know they even though, what happened to all those polls that have rfk jr with well over 20 early on, and no one's explained that. And suddenly, just it. Just what happened? How did he have all that in support? And then he didn't. They just don't want any pat buchanan go back. You know what wonderful. He was selling some great stuff. You know, one percent in the poll. So that's what they would do.

Speaker 4: 1:41:26

Somebody like me, or somebody came along, another human. They would just use those uh pre-election polls which serve no purpose other than to manipulate the vote, and they would have, you know, they would claim that you know this guy's got one percent. And then what happens is most people say, well, okay, I'll go to my second choice. You know this guy, lindsey graham. You know like that. You know they find somebody that uh, that was, uh, was higher in the polls, in these ridiculous fake polls. So that's why, know for somebody to think that this we're not to believe, that this is a, this is just one giant conspiracy. Everybody says to me you think everything's a conspiracy. Well, yes, I do, because we're run by conspirators. It's so predictable Peace never happens. Something good never happens, for the Trump was talking up the infrastructure, the Democrats talking about that too.

Speaker 4: 1:42:15

I don't see, as I'm driving around. I live in one of the richest counties in the United States and I see how the condition the infrastructure is in here. The other night, you know, the power went off for an hour and a half or something, you know. At night it was just a rain, just a rain, and we are. Lines are underground. That never happened 50, 60 years ago. It just didn't. And so we regressed because we haven't updated the sensors in our power grids, which are made in China you really need. It's an accident that our leaders can't realize how irresponsible that is. They don't realize how important the infrastructure is. I mean, we have a great infrastructure upgrade under eisenhower, the national highway system, one of the greatest achievements we've ever had and we're still living off it, but we don't do anything. So I'm driving around my area and uh, which I don't do that often, so I a lot of times there are months between where I'll go to a particular place and I'll say, oh well, this road work hasn't progressed at all and all I see is lanes closed everywhere. You know people, you know, in hats, standing along the side of the roads, apparently not doing anything, holding up slow or stop signs, and I don't see any actual work being done ever. So I just claim it's perpetual road work. That never gets done because I never see, I never drive out and say, oh wow, this road's really cool now, no more potholes. Doesn't happen, it's perpetual road work. It never gets done. And again, I think it's.

Speaker 4: 1:43:44

You can go back. You talk about conspiracy. Go back to Charles Dickens, one of my favorite writers, and he wasn't necessarily that political of a guy other than just an advocate for the poor, but in reform classical liberal, that political of a guy other than just an advocate for the poor, but and reform classical liberal. But in one of his novels he he made fun and he talked about the men, that the men who know how not to get it done. And this was 1850 ish. We're still being run. But and that's that's the incompetence part of the you have a stew that, uh, you know the amer Americans and the world is being subjected to. You have the corruption which everybody sees, everybody knows that, and we have the incompetence.

Speaker 4: 1:44:21

The incompetence factor is that the men who know, now, women, the men, women, they thems, whatever. They know how not to get it done. It doesn't get done, and they know how not to get it done. So anybody that tries to do something, they block it now and they'll come up with a reason why you can't do something. Good, now, if you, if you need another billion for ukraine, then that that happens, that gets done right away. Israel needs anything and that's why you'll see, if israel wants, I don't think they're going to stand up there and say, no, sorry, you're out on your own now we're kicking you out of the nest.

Speaker 4: 1:44:53

You got it. No, they're not going to do that. But if? Um, so again, I think that this is, this is I know I'm all over the place, people, if you haven't listened to me before, this is kind of what I do. I kind of a free-flowing form where I kind of rant back and forth and tie things together from history and I don't know some people like it. So hopefully you guys do. But um, and again, I'm sorry I've had to take over the show here but with my ridiculous uh echo thing, but uh, at least I don't have the echo now, but um, so I think that there's no way.

Speaker 4: 1:45:28

I don't think there's any way to explain how the wrong thing always had the fireside theater. I like to quote that all the time they used to say everything you know is wrong. That was their credo, long forgotten comedy troupe from the 60s. And everything Americans know is wrong. That's why when I'm writing my hidden history books, the people that read them are always like, wow, this is amazing and I'm not making anything up. And most of this stuff is hidden in plain sight. It's out there. It's very easy to find, so that you want to know how.

Speaker 4: 1:45:59

You know how, when you especially with people fighting over free speech now and most Americans probably not believing in free speech anymore, we know neither side does. The left doesn't believe in it remotely. There's a million things they don't want you to be able to say and they'll claim it's hate speech. And the right doesn't want you to say anything attacking israel or zionism or they'll. You know they'll claim that's hate speech and they want to outlaw it. So, uh, but if you look back at the history of this, they'll say they put an asterisk on the uh, the first amendment in uh, during world war one. And that was uh when woodrow wilson was throwing all the world war one protesters in prison and he used the precedent of abraham lincoln, our secular saint, who is, uh, I think, our greatest tyrant, but when he was throwing all those northern prisoners and in, uh in makeshift jails and suspending the risk. Rid of habeas corpus, that's what woodrow wilson uses precedent.

Speaker 4: 1:46:49

Took the eugene debs, the great socialist leader, and others took it to the supreme court. Oliver wandel holmes, the great socialist leader, and others took it to the Supreme Court. Oliver Wendell Holmes, the great liberal benefactor, who still has a great reputation but in reality was a eugenicist, like all these. Wilson, all these other liberals were and was a warmonger who never saw a war he didn't like. Like all those you know establishment liberals at the time, holmes ruled in favor of Wilson and that that's where the phrase you can't yell fire in a crowded theater came from. Now, there's probably not one in 100 million Americans that has any idea of that.

Speaker 4: 1:47:23

I didn't until, you know, I was researching the book. That was before Chris Graves and Peter Seacash came along to do lots of my research for me. So this one I had to do research myself, but largely, and I couldn't believe that I said, wow, that's where that came from and I thought. You know, and I've said many times, no matter how you, even if you can come up with some kind of justification he, he was using that to justify putting anti-war protesters in prison. So, however you look at it, protesting a war is not yelling fire in a crowded theater.

Speaker 4: 1:47:53

And yet you, you tell that to, and they'll give you a blank look, just like you try to explain the banking system to them. You know, under the fractured lending system it used to be, you know, you only had to have 10% reserves on hand. That means 10% real money. So just imagine you and your buddy. I don't know if I tell Tony hey, tony, I want to. You know you're doing well, you know you're doing great. You're with this gold and silver thing. You got going on. Can you lend me some money? And Tony, if he uses the Federal Reserve model, if he was able to do that, he would say, well, sure, okay, what do you want? I thought, how about $1,000? And Tony would only have to have what? Under the old system and now under, according to Ron Paul and others, I don't he wouldn't need any money. I don't think there's any fraction. So so if you can explain the difference between that and counterfeiting, let me know.

Speaker 4: 1:48:43

But so the at the, obviously the individuals out there, I especially all the people that are struggling, the 70, some percent of Americans that are living paycheck to paycheck. Imagine, you know, being able to just print money. That's why these 3D printers has anybody thought to do that? I don't know how that works. How do you print? I mean, I worked with printers. How does a gun come out of a printer? But that's what they claim you can do. So to me, if I would look at it, I'd say, hey, let's use the Federal Reserve model, let's print some money here and just imagine what that could do for people. They could print their own money, but obviously that would be met and treated far differently than the Federal Reserve. Back in the hidden history, I think it was.

Speaker 4: 1:49:33

I have a quote from the person that, if you doubt that how that system works, the Federal Reserve, the guy that ran the Federal Reserve Bank in Boston back in the day. He answered a question and I said, yeah, that's true, we do lend money we don't have. So I mean, just think of that. Our system is built on this. This is Tony's wheelhouse.

Speaker 4: 1:49:50

But I try to tell people that and I think, again, they don't believe it because it's incomprehensible. They could not possibly believe something that ridiculous because they've all we've all seen counterfeiters and went back to the G-Men and J Edgar Hoover, you know, going out to the counterfeiters. These are bad guys, you know. I remember Fred Flintstone and Barney Rubble had a counterfeiting thing going on one of their episodes back in the day, so it goes back to the Stone Age. But people recognize you can't do that. Yet our entire what a joke Our entire banking system is built on that. But if you try to tell people they just give you the look. And again, I don't think they believe the average normie doesn't believe anything.

Speaker 4: 1:50:37

I say about that because even if I can cite the source and I can I try to source everything I have because it's, you know, as J Edgar Hoover said, who was one of the all time great conspirators, but he was talking about the communist conspiracy, but it applies to everything when he said the average citizen just cannot comprehend evil, this, you know this large something, this monstrous, this big, and that's when we're trying to talk about these things to the average person, especially if they're doing well, anybody that's successful in this system, how are you going to sell this to them. What are you talking about? Get a job, buddy, go get some skills. That's their, you know. Go get some skills. That's their favorite thing to say. Learn some skills, okay. Or the AI. Don't worry about the AI and the low-priced H-1B visa workers and the illegal immigrants, don't worry about that. Just, you know, learn some skills.

Speaker 4: 1:51:30

But that works for you know, 20% of the people. I call this the casino economy. People know the casinos work 20% have to win, 80% have to lose for 20% to win. That's how the casinos work and that's pretty much how our economy works. 20% win to one degree or another varying degrees, and 80% lose to one degree or another. And the bottom 50% are really losing because they make less than 28,000 a year and that's growing with every new migrant that comes in the country they're entering at the bottom. That's why it's it's, it's very it's. It's destructive to any type of first world economy. But I don't think we have a first world economy anymore and so I don't know.

Speaker 4: 1:52:18

Tony, I'm hoping I'm not droning on too much. I'm kind of all over the place and people. You said they're getting a history lesson. You're getting a hidden history lesson here. So you've and actually believe it or not? They did. Let me. I don't think I don't know if I'm even employed there anymore. They took away my email so I'm probably not.

Speaker 4: 1:52:38

But for several years three, four or five years my county adult education program let me teach a course on the JFK assassination. First it was the JFK assassination and then it became. They put me in their movies courses, which was even easier, and I just played Oliver Stone's JFK every class and just would stop it and comment on it. I said you know, this is easiest money I ever made. Talk about a labor of love. But COVID, you know, like it killed so many other things, that kind of killed that deal, and it was only once a quarter. So it wasn't like I. You know I made even less from that than I do from my books and that's saying something. So it wasn't a big moneymaker scheme but it was nice. But even then, you know, when I did that, that's the subject I. That's what I can lecture best on If I'm going to lecture on a subject. I know the JFK assassination inside out.

Speaker 4: 1:53:40

I started in the mid-70s working as a teenage volunteer for Mark Lane and was prominent critic of the Warren Commission. So I know this issue better than just about anybody or as good as anybody. But I put together a PowerPoint presentation I thought was great for this class, but every one of my classes would always have very few people because, you know, not that many people and it was, you know, I think they were were charging 70, 80 bucks or something in which I thought was outrageous. But you know I don't control that. Uh, so I can see why people didn't, you know, pay that. But to listen to some, you know, thought criminal like me talking about it. But I would always get one of the people in there almost all the time they'd be one. It was was almost like they were placed there. There would be a lone nutter and no matter what. It frustrated me At first. It really frustrated me because I said, look, I can't put together a better presentation than this, I can't put together a stronger argument, and yet I can't convince this guy. A lot of times it was a young kid and I would say what do you do? I mean, if they just keep, they're ignoring everything, you're just gonna, you know, putting.

Speaker 4: 1:54:38

The crime was never investigated. You know talking about the bullet holes were too low and all in the, in the clothing and the autopsy face. You know all these things, the condition of the bullet, all these things that are obviously great evidence, the chain of possession problems, and they, they don't believe it. They believe Liesel did it and I don't, I can't believe that. These are all people that are part of some kind of conspiracy. So you're dealing with that kind of mentality and unfortunately, even the JFK assassination field at the height back in the 70s maybe I think it was 90% of the American public believe there was a conspiracy and now it's like 60% or more. So that's the impact that the right wing has had and even though the MAGA right type all believe, you know that JFK was killed by conspiracy. There's enough there, and also the woke left as well. They've done a damage on Kennedy's reputation.

Speaker 4: 1:55:34

So a lot of people don't care anymore. They say, well, yeah, he got killed, but who cares? You know he was no good, he was a womanizer and keep having sex with all these movie stars while he's almost dead all the time. You know he was too unhealthy to be president but he was having nonstop sex with movie stars. And you know Nazi spies and all they come up with anything and they're. Oh yeah, that's true, jfk did that. Consorting with the mafia was his. His brother attorney general was the only one ever to be rounding them up and trying to prosecute them.

Speaker 4: 1:56:02

So it's uh, and so when you have that kind of smear campaign against somebody, so eventually it gets to the point where people don't care whether you who cares? He wasn't a good guy, because you think of somebody that was killed by a conspiracy. You're thinking, well, this was a heroic figure. And that's why, when you come to the Trump assassination, whatever it was, whatever that was, and again, millions of people, that's where. Look how far we've gone, where we've had such a rabbit hole element, now the Sandy Hook factor, where you've got millions of people who don't think that Trump assassination was real. And I, you know there's a lot of elements to it that does look pretty fishy, but just imagine that even you know, 15 years ago it would have never been the case.

Speaker 4: 1:56:46

And um, and of course, trump, you know, doesn't help with his personality. It's basically him and his people are just Cash Mattel is sitting here saying, well, there's nothing to see here, while he's saying Epstein killed himself, and it's like that. You know that. I don't know that the MAGA movement can ever recover from that, because they're at some point they're going to have to confront that as, like you know, this is probably the most obvious conspiracy of modern times is that Epstein didn't kill himself. I mean, that's pretty much. I would say.

Speaker 4: 1:57:14

Probably 99% of the public believes that, but we're supposed to believe that except for the people that could do something about it. And then you have Dan Mangino saying, yeah, I've seen the file. What file have you seen, dan? The missing evidence that was taken from Epstein's safe in his mansion. And they tell you, oh, we can't find it. It's like the original apollo moon landing. Can we know where they're at? It's right there with them. I don't know, man, we can't find them. Or nicola tesla's uh, uh papers that you know uncle john trump, donald trump's uncle, was sent by the government. They're all missing. They're all together somewhere. I don't know where they're at, but we can't find it. And people just say, okay, that makes sense, we can't find it. Sure, why wouldn't you? You know the original Apollo moon landing tapes are important, probably tape the Super Bowl over it or something. You know why would you keep that? That didn't make any sense. And you know something like the Tesla papers. You know it's just free energy and earthquake machines and all this great stuff he was working on and nobody else, apparently, supposedly, has never been able to since. But yeah, we don't need to see that. There's no reason to to to see that. And now you know epstein's whatever is in there, you know it's like he's.

Speaker 4: 1:58:23

And I've said jelaine maxwell, I think you know she should be, she should be pardoned because it's unfair that she was. She was, uh, convicted of sex trafficking minors to no one because they didn't announce anybody she trafficked them to. If I had been a defense attorney, I would say your honor, uh, they haven't produced a single name. Uh, who did my my client, uh, you know, can you tell us who she trafficked these, these young ladies to? Well? No, we can't, we can't, we're just and uh, but she's still in prison there.

Speaker 4: 1:58:54

So, but he's um, how many subjects have I covered here, folks? I talk about my new book. I'm working on my book on sports, which is going to be my most, uh, my most controversial one. Yet when you read that, folks, it's uh, that one won't be. I don't think I'll be able to get a publisher for that, because I'm going to be talking about the racial dynamics in sports and nobody, nobody has ever touched that. So that's where we're going with that. But so it's, and I think Tony Odoman says I sound great. So I don't know how many, and I hope certainly we all hope for David to come back soon. I know I don't know much about it, but I know when I've been listening to it. Recently Travis's son has been on here, so it's great. You have obviously Tony's filling in and I think Jason Barker and Karen Carpenter filled in one time, if I heard right Good friends of ours. So at any rate, I've pretty much summed up the world and had a great.

Speaker 4: 1:59:59

But I think you need to look, especially something like Israel. You need to look at what we're seeing. It's front and center. People need to understand the history. Tony mentioned the liberty. You know certainly the founding of it and how, even after the King David Motel terrorism incident, people didn't stop. You know you had people like Forrestal saying, look, we can't, this is mad, but they did. People like old Joe Kennedy.

Speaker 4: 2:00:36

And if you look at one of the great letters and I was going to include it as an appendix in American Memory Hall, my latest book, but it's a letter from a 22 year old jfk and it's an incredible letter and if you want to know why I love jfk so much, read that letter, because he is so astute and he is so mature and he this was from like 19, the late 1930s, 1940 is something like that, and so it's like eight years, seven, eight, eight years before Israel became a country. He talks about what a disaster this was. He analyzes the situation. It's a letter to his father, who is well-versed on the subject and was one of the early critics of Israel as well, and he talks about how this is mad, it's not going to work, and so this is why history is important. So you go back, not understanding JFK's feelings and where he came from, from his father. His father, old Joe Kennedy, was also one of the behind the scenes, one of the first critics of the Federal Reserve. This was a banker. He knew how ridiculous it was and it wouldn't work Again. But they don't tell you that. They come up, they make up stories about the mob and all kinds of stuff like that, which were all lies, cia, mafia lies. But this letter, if you read that, it tells you, wow, this guy really had something. And so later when he becomes president.

Speaker 4: 2:01:43

It's natural that he was getting in a war of words with Israel behind the scenes about them developing nuclear weapons. And it's ironic because now you have supposedly Iran on the verge of developing nuclear weapons, and they've been on the verge since 1979. You know it's been the last thing since then. We've been right there. You know we've got to do something about this since 1979. And I don't think it's any accident that JFK was the last president to stand up to Israel. No one has. Jimmy Carter was fairly even-handed, but JFK stood up to him, said no, you are not to develop nuclear weapons, and then he was killed. So you want to say that had no part to play in that? I don't know, tony, are we going for another hour? I'm not sure.

Speaker 2: 2:02:30

We still got the echo down.

Speaker 4: 2:02:33

Okay, no, I don't have the echo now. I don't have the echo done okay uh, no, I don't have the echo.

Speaker 2: 2:02:38

Now I don't know. Okay, I worked on a few things, why in a great segment, by the way I just I wanted you to keep going. I like the, I like the stream of consciousness. That's the way I do my shows, um, probably just uh, learned a lot by watching you, so I go into that whole cycle, kind of going back and then tying it in a bow at the end. So you did magnificence there, thank you.

Speaker 4: 2:03:00

I appreciate that. I hope people liked it. I saw the numbers going up so I guess people are listening, so that's good.

Speaker 2: 2:03:06

Yeah, it was a good history lesson. You can use history as a guide as you do for the future. You can use history as a guide as you do for the future, except there's so much with the technocratic age. That is something you know. Harry Truman said the only thing new under the sun is the history you don't know. That's generally true, except for now, with the leaps in technology and AI and blockchain and other things. That could be great.

Speaker 2: 2:03:35

It's kind of like a weapon that can be used for good or it can be used for evil, and I often have that historical sense, but it's hard to make heads or tails anymore. Don I mean you go back to the political influence, because this is the future, like we're going to be talking a lot about the israeli lobby and apac and, uh, the influence that it has on our government and our foreign policy and back gosh. You remember this? Don you go back to the 90s, and I mentioned this before, but you know pat buchanan just on the mclachlan group, just in an offhand comment, said you know nobody, and this is talking about desert storm. So this is like 1990s. Like nobody really supports the uh, a hot war, uh, besides the people over at uh, I forgot. I think it was like some defense contractor in their, in their amen corner at.

Speaker 2: 2:04:33

APAC. I thought that was great, that was cutting edge. Back then you were quickly disposed of if you were anywhere near just saying hey, there's this very powerful foreign nation lobby that's made up of Jews and they're going to push you into a war and that's okay. On my bookshelf I've got a book from the 80s called None Dare Speak Out.

Speaker 4: 2:05:02

We've talked about it before. Paul Finley yeah, representing Paul Finley. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 2:05:06

Yes, and that was again that was cutting edge. What I see now and I want to get your opinion before Billy joins us what I see now is that there is a Like I put in my comment. I think the high watermark was around 2014. I see a massive decline in that being. You know, reigning people in, like you had the Ron Paul talking about Zionism and political Zionism. So I think it's very healthy that we have this conversation. Obviously, you can, you know, in this country, you can have that opinion that that Israel is more important than America, especially a lot of.

Speaker 2: 2:05:56

I grew up in the south and the Christian Zionism is really strong and I didn't get that when I got back from, you know, my, my tours and I, especially I got home from Iraq and I I did not understand, uh, the viewpoints of people that I went to church with and others, and so it's like it for me. I had to, like, get rid of that part of my past and and, uh, christianity to me, I had to jettison that so I could have a relationship with Christ, I could get past the political aspect of it, because it was not to me. It was, you know, christian Zionism and that idolatry, like you see the waving of the Israeli flag within John Hagee's church down in South Texas. I mean it's very idolatrous and it's so antithetical, like I mean I was like I'm trying to find it in the Bible here where Jesus wanted me to like support a nation state to bomb people. I don't, I can't find it, but that's what you find in like the.

Speaker 2: 2:06:51

It's kind of a, but it's a dead end and I think that history will show that those of us who were skeptical to be like way back and like you, and I mean, just when I ran for Congress, I had to go meet with AIPAC. They make you go If you don't meet with them, you're, I mean and they didn't know what to make of me. They had somebody come in and take notes. I had a lot to say about demography, had a lot to say about, uh, foreign aid, you know, and things that uh, they had. They had not, um, they had not. Uh been a proponent of eliminating foreign aid to countries that burn the american flag. They wanted to support foreign aid for everyone. I thought that was interesting. Uh, we got, we got billy here. Uh, with this as well, let's see, let's put, let's put him on. We got billy ray val. He's out, you're, you're out, you're walking the streets can you?

Speaker 3: 2:07:48

can you hear me?

Speaker 2: 2:07:50

I can hear you excellent. I didn't know we're gonna be the cameo. We're gonna get like a real.

Speaker 3: 2:07:56

Yeah, we're gonna walk in the street I figured it'd be a good idea to let everybody see the South Bronx for a little bit, you know, since it's not fully exposed to the world. You know, everybody has a you know preconception of it. Well, we're going to walk the streets of the South Bronx today while we're doing the interview. What's up? What's up guys? What's up, tony? It's good to see you, good to talk to you. How you doing. What's up? What's up guys? What's up, tony? It's good to see you, good to talk to you.

Speaker 2: 2:08:23

How you doing. We're doing great. I'm happy that we dispelled the echo. We had an echo with Don for something I was able to.

Speaker 3: 2:08:29

I heard it.

Speaker 2: 2:08:31

I think we're okay now.

Speaker 3: 2:08:33

What's up, don, how you doing.

Speaker 4: 2:08:40

All right. So it's like American Plug back, huh, because you know I get people asking me what's going on with American Unplugged. So here's your kind of an unofficial American.

Speaker 3: 2:08:44

Unplugged, I guess Right, right, right, what's?

Speaker 1: 2:08:46

up, tony, we're going to plug this back in on Saturday.

Speaker 3: 2:08:50

What's going on, Tony?

Speaker 2: 2:08:52

I just wanted to get your take on. You know I had the first hour talked about the no Kings protest. I talked about the MAGA maniac. Who's the left left-wing activist um trying to. I looked at just a high level of propaganda in the news cycle the last 48, 72 hours, thought that was interesting. Um, don and I were looking at the geopolitical ramifications of israel doing a preemptive strikes on Iranian targets and all that's going on there. But I just want to get your, get your feel. But your, it's your, your spidey senses. What are they saying?

Speaker 3: 2:09:32

Who's the? The mega mania? Is that the guy that that killed them? The Minnesota?

Speaker 2: 2:09:39

lawmakers. Yeah yeah, that's such a weird thing, because I uh drudge has it as the MAGA maniac and then zero edge has him as the no Kings shooter.

Speaker 4: 2:09:48

Yeah, he. He worked for Tim walls, Didn't he do? Tim walls appointed? Uh, it's it's.

Speaker 2: 2:09:55

it's like, I think that's just kind of where we are. But you don't know, mind control, you understand?

Speaker 3: 2:09:59

Well, this is all fifth generation warfare. It's it's my way of explaining all the nonsense that's going on, all the Probable psyops that are going on. It's fifth generation warfare. These people have left the old playbook behind. They're not. They're not. They're not operating the same way they used to. Um, they are colonizing the minds of the people, us included.

Speaker 3: 2:10:29

So, when we have a mega shooter or whatever they're calling them the maga maniac or the no kings shooter, whatever, like, it's something different for both sides. You know, both sides believe something different about the guy. Um, there's a lot of disinformation going around and that's just the the nature of what we do now. Uh, the disinformation is a real thing. We have to, we have to try to weave our way through it and, in all actuality, there's no real way to know what the truth is. You know, um, yeah, the guy worked for tim waltz, right? But um, uh, his neighbor said, or his roommate says, that he listened to info wars religiously, which I can believe. Um, you know, like, what? What? What needs to happen to a person? How much does a person need to be radicalized in order for something like this to happen? You know? So I can certainly believe that he used to listen to InfoWars. You know, or he still listens to InfoWars. That's what his roommate said. And then he was also, if the footage is correct, from what I saw, he was also a preacher in a church talking about how the Democrats got demons in them. You know. So you know we get to this point and and people die.

Speaker 3: 2:11:57

I've been saying something similar to this for a while. I think we all have that. We keep pushing this rhetoric. People are going to die, people are going to get hurt, and that's already happened on both sides because of the fifth generation warfare that they're running on the people. I'd like for us to get back to a place where we're like okay, it's different, we have different ideas, we disagree with one another, and that's fine. It's fine to disagree with one another, but we're not going to say that the other side is vampires. You know kid traffickers for the most part. If you're going to say that, if you're going to say they're kid traffickers, let's have some proof of that right. And if the only proof we have is Epstein, we got Bill Clinton in there and we got Donald Trump, so we got both sides right. We got MAGA MAGA is very well represented in the Epstein side, and then we got Bill Clinton and we got Prince Andrew and all these other scumbags that went to that island to do whatever the hell they want to do.

Speaker 3: 2:13:09

But beyond that, the rhetoric that has taken hold in the alternative media and both of you guys know that I've been slowly trying to climb my way out of this is mostly fifth generation warfare. It's propaganda. This is what they're doing. This is how they win elections. This is how they perceive I mean mold reality. It's a different perception of reality for everybody, depending on your views and depending on what bubble you live in, what news you're getting, because everybody has a tailored news feed. Pretty much, if you're on Instagram or something like that and you're clicking on a news feed, they're going to keep feeding you certain things that are similar to what you watch often and keep giving that to you. That's on on purpose. It could be for marketing, uh um purposes, but it can also be for uh, mind colonization and uh, social, um, social molding. You know which is? There's evidence for that all over the place. They've admitted this. So I think that's where we are with this.

Speaker 3: 2:14:16

You know, um, can I believe that this guy went out and shot people. Yeah, I could totally believe that, because he probably thinks he's saving the country. You know, like Michael Flynn said one time and big shots to David Knight If he's listening. God bless you. I hope you're feeling better. Shouts to Travis Um, you know, but but um, michael Flynn, uh, gave birth to the digital warriors. You know he's like oh, you're digital warriors, you are in the battle with us. This isn't a battle that excludes you. We need you to participate in this battle and people are invested in that fashion. So, nope, I wouldn't be surprised in the least bit if this guy did. I believe this guy did it, you know.

Speaker 3: 2:15:00

But people, it's the alternative it, you know. But people, it's the alternative media, you know. So people are going to say, oh, he's a liberal or he's whatever. Like I, I don't subscribe to that at this point in time. I don't believe there's enough evidence besides him working for Tim Waltz and his roommate said that that was something that he just did for the community. He just did this for the community. Um, I don't know, I, I, I don't know, I don't know. I tend to believe, especially when InfoWars came around, and David Knight would know a lot about that, and so would you, tony. As soon as InfoWars came around, I was like, oh man, I could believe it, because the nonsense that comes out of that filth rag of operation is incredible and people believe it. I believed it for many, many, many, many years. Thank, thank to the Lord. God that that I don't believe it at this point, that I'm probably caught up in some other way, but I'm not caught up in that one and I'm very happy about that.

Speaker 2: 2:15:53

I found it interesting I want to get Don's take on this too. I as far as like him being a mega maniac or a left wing activist or whatever. I found that to be interesting that he had the markers of both. And you look at the shooter crooks in Pennsylvania, that kid or whoever, whoever he was, when they went to his house and everything was cleaned and hermetically sealed and all the stuff he was both and like he had like both, uh ties to, and same thing with Lee Harvey Oswald and others like, um, the Congresswoman that was shot and Don you, off the top of my head, I don't remember her name, but her husband Gabby, gabby Giffords.

Speaker 2: 2:16:31

Yeah, gabby Giffords? Yes, and I was. I was thinking of Gabby, but I couldn't remember. I remember, uh, that guy was the same way, like he had the his. That shooter was like we. Is he left wing or right wing? He has all the things, and I think that's interesting that they just use these and I and I don't know if it's they, but, um, there's so much mental illness anymore. But it was a, it was a, a coordinated hit. You know, like this was premeditated. It was, uh really bizarre. So, anyway, just something interesting to look at when I I don't, uh, I'm with bill, I think it's fifth generation morph, it's, but this is a more on your mind. And you see, both sides are eager to you know the spell or say that well, that shooter was from this, this camp or that camp, but they like make it both. Like the guy had no king's flyers in his car, right, you know the same thing. So it's just uh interesting and he had a manifesto.

Speaker 3: 2:17:24

All these people seem to have a manifesto I I that that never that never jives with me.

Speaker 3: 2:17:30

if I'm going out to do anything like that, I'm not writing it down like it's, like I'm not making a list and leaving it there for people to find. Like this guy had a list of Democrats that he wanted to kill, I think. I think Tim Walz was one of them Don't quote me on that, but from what I remember, I think he was one of them, you know, but all of them have a manifesto. I don't get that. I mean, that's not what I would do if I was doing something like it's like OJ Simpson, you know what I would do if I committed the murder, you know, but I don't understand. So that's the part that makes me skeptical.

Speaker 3: 2:18:06

I am, you know, a conspiracy theorist, a conspiracy analyst at heart. No matter how hard I'm trying to get out of the freaking rabbit hole, I still think. You know, you see something like that and it's going to raise alarm bells Like what? Why are all these people? Why do all these people feel necessary to write this down? Maybe it's a medical condition that I'm not aware of, but it raises alarm bells for sure.

Speaker 2: 2:18:33

What part of the float and the parade were you in in Washington DC this past weekend? Billy?

Speaker 3: 2:18:42

Oh man, the one that resembled, uh, north korea most. I don't know which one that was, but, uh, no, I was not there, um, but, but, but I heard, um, I heard that it was a disaster. I don't know. I mean, to be honest, I expected more, um, from what I saw, from the footage that I saw. I expected more uniformity. I expected, I don't know, it was just very black, like even for a military parade, like Donald Trump is doing it. You would think it would be all you know, like a very awe-inspiring thing or something you know because he saw he has such a pompous personality. But no, I mean, that's another thing. You know, all these things that are going on, everybody's trying, everybody's thinking about, what's this distracting me from? You know, like, what's this distracting me from? What's the issue here? Um, I, I think it's important that we realize that all these things are going on, maybe not to distract but to overwhelm. You know you have the wars we have in the Ukraine and, of course, what's going on in Iran, with Israel. You know we have Donald Trump causing all types of distractions. You know we have this military parade and we had the no Kings parade all over the nation. You know it was. It was crazy. So it's.

Speaker 3: 2:20:04

Everybody starts to automatically think what's it's? What is this distracting me from it's? I don't think it's. I don't think it's meant to distract, it's meant to overwhelm. It's meant to overwhelm. This is per Steve Benning. It's a flooding the zone. This is the strategy.

Speaker 3: 2:20:24

Just I and I know he doesn't have much control over the Israel thing, so that popped off, but anything else that's going on with Trump or in that world, it's meant to overwhelm. They're hitting you with everything they possibly can to overwhelm you. All of these things are important. What's going on with money is important, and what's going on with our civil liberties is important. All of these things are important. They're not, in my opinion, they're not meant to distract, they're just meant to overwhelm you to the point that you can't do anything about it. You know. That's why I think Stephen Miller is the de facto president of the United States. I think he's literally setting things up for Trump and Trump says great, because he tells him he has a nice head of hair or something like that, and he's a very dangerous individual. And he twists, he uses pseudo law, he uses semantics in order to change the law into something that will fit whatever he wants at the time the law into something that will fit whatever he wants at the time. So that's being thrown at you actively and that's an admitted strategy on behalf of MAGA. It's an admitted strategy.

Speaker 3: 2:21:29

This is psychological warfare at its finest and it's never been more evident, in my opinion, than it is right now. If people don't see it now, I don't know personally how to change people's minds or how to make them realize that we're all being manipulated here. But it's being admitted by the people that we look up to. Not that I look up to Steve Bannon, but I'm saying there's people that do you know, or in the MAGA movement and even you know, on the left. These things are admitted now. It's all mental manipulation. So there's that. No, I didn't go to either of the parades. I didn't go to the no Kings parade, even though I would have if I wasn't doing anything. But my wife had set something up for me and if I said no, I'd be in really big trouble. So I had to skip the parade. But I certainly wasn't going over to DC. If I did go to DC I would go see the pandas, you know, at the zoo, not not for the parade.

Speaker 2: 2:22:34

Well, last week on my show before this latest cycle kicked off, I talked about what, the whatever Again it's like. The headlines came up and it was just kind of a political nonsense story and I said what else is going on? And I talked about bilderberg. Bilderberg was happening this last week as soon as bilderberg's open or over uh, friday the 13th kicks off, and now we have a whole new war. That's true.

Speaker 2: 2:22:59

I mean, it was the next day yeah, yeah it kicked off and so, um, interesting, uh, that we're, we've kind of, you're right. I mean, it's so many things happening at once and that's meant to disrupt you. It's like the tempo. You can't stay ahead of the news. So we've been talking about this for years, but it does accelerate, right, and these are the times they wipe the slate clean, put a new uh operating system on top of that which is now. You know, now, with the war, now you have to choose, uh, caitlin jenner or whatever. Uh, sipping wine in a bomb shelter in israel saying go trump. You know, uh, that's true, and I'm like I live in the upside down. You know it's uh like these terrorists aren't gonna win. I'm like, uh, ian carroll put out a tweet I thought was funny, gareth. I reposted this and it was made me laugh and it was like, uh, I just threw a rock through my neighbor's window. Please pray for me as I, as I have to endure their you know what?

Speaker 3: 2:23:59

I think it was ted cruz that said something similar, that he was like pray for israel. Pray for israel, we need you right now. You know, I'm like, didn't they? They were the ones that struck iran right as far as I know. And he's like pray for israel, like I said what? Where are we living?

Speaker 2: 2:24:19

there's what kind of?

Speaker 3: 2:24:20

1984 stuff is this what's up, what's up?

Speaker 2: 2:24:23

that's, that's how, that's how politics and that's. I think, uh, the upside of another great tweet was, uh, uh, gareth eich, and he said, uh, like the upside of all this is now we get to see who's on the epstein client list. Whoever supports this, it's on theotton list because it's so blatantly anti, it's anti-St Augustine of the idea of Christianity's just war. It's preemptive strike. You saw that in Iraq. That's very Third Reich-ish, that's, you know, like a preemptive strike is against all principles of sound warfare, all that stuff.

Speaker 2: 2:25:00

By the way, you can go back through history. A preemptive strike usually ends in a defeat. And I'm just kind of thinking through my wheelhouse. Like you know, the japanese did that too. We did that in iraq and we don't rule iraq. You can't even trade in dollars there, it's illegal. So I mean you could, you could go through, and Germany did that with the invasion of Poland. So there's a whole host of historical references for that. But they did reset the tempo and they reset the news, the headlines and everything else that's going on. So that has been interesting to watch. But I noticed it in real time and I called it out because I was like hey, bilderberg's meeting.

Speaker 3: 2:25:45

The Bilderberg meetings I look at. It's funny because this is one of the benefits. I don't regret being in the rabbit hole with Alex Jones for as long as I was, because I wouldn't have learned about David Knight or yourself, tony Well, maybe you, we met separately from InfoWars, but I certainly would have known about David Knight. But when I was damn, I lost my train of thought. What did you say, tony? You said something so it could jog my memory. What were you talking?

Speaker 2: 2:26:13

about. I was talking about how they reset the news cycle in Bilderberg. Oh, Bilderberg.

Speaker 3: 2:26:18

So back in the day when I was watching InfoWars, bilderberg was a secret. You know it legit was a secret. Nobody reported on it and when the mainstream did report on it, they said it was a lie. You know, um, or you know, or very secretive. Now we have access to the Bilderberg invitees list on Drudge. No, I'm not sleeping. Who is that? Now we get to see it on Drudge. You know it's open for everybody to see.

Speaker 3: 2:26:59

I thought it was a, it was hilarious. I clicked on it and you see, peter Thiel, alex Karp, you know, uh, zaid Zachariah or whatever his name is, from CNN, was on, uh, was on the list. Like it's like okay, like now it's mainstream news. Bilderberg is here. Here's the list.

Speaker 3: 2:27:23

Um, so I look at Bilderberg like area, like area 51. Now you know, everybody knows about area 51 and they still try to keep you away. But I mean, what are they really holding in Area 51? And what are they really doing at Bilderberg that we're not going to find out about? You know, everything is laid out there at this point. So when I saw that, I was like, look at this, we've come quite a long way. I mean, they've reported on Bilderberg for some time, but to be that easy to find a client list. I remember back in the day we had to dig for that, you know. And right now we just click on it and boom, there's the client list. I mean the client list, I'm sorry, the all the people that were invited to show up at uh, at bilderberg, you know so right it's, it's become that open at this point.

Speaker 3: 2:27:58

So I um, I don't put too much emphasis on bilderberg like I used to back in the day. It's like, oh my god, it's happening. Like now.

Speaker 2: 2:28:05

It's like, okay, it's a meeting, you know, I don't because I think over time the legacy media and real journal, like it, whatever if there ever was real journalism in this country or in the west has dissipated so much that you can pretty much with impunity do what you want, whether you're the World Economic Forum or the UN or Bilderberg or Bohemian Grove or any secret society. You can pretty much run roughshod over the rule of law or the constitution because you have the two parties. Now that are so dumb, everything's dumbed down. But back in the I mean it was real scholarship back in the 80s Don knows this better than anybody 70s, 80s and 90s there was some real scholarship and journalism going on that actually frightened the establishment. I don't think anything frightens them anymore. They did a lot of suppression of people that were digging into conspiracy research and hidden hand and deep state stuff, but that's not so anymore. I mean it's it's because it's so fractured and I think they control so much of the so-called opposition. I mean it's like it's hard to even.

Speaker 2: 2:29:13

And then you hear that in alternative media, even if you're like I've been called everything because you know I I'm just going to give my analysis based on what I think is true and then I will. I won't be enough for one side, or I won't be enough for the other side, or the it's. It's crazy, then you'll be called a shill or a controlled op or whatever. But there really is controlled ops. There really is. And it's funny that the more controlled they are, the less people can see them is that's another interesting part about all of this. But I think that's why, billy, I think it's uh, it's just so much easier for them, just to you know, run everything out in the open well, yeah, and that goes back to the fifth generation warfare.

Speaker 3: 2:29:53

I don't. I don't think they have to do half of the things they used to do back in the day like they. They have social media now. It's, it's the biggest, the tool for manipulation that there maybe has ever been. Uh, in in our, our, what is it in in humanity's time here on earth. It's. Social media can manipulate people in in ways I've, I've never. I mean I can't.

Speaker 3: 2:30:19

I still have a hard time understanding how we are where we are right now. Although I have, you know, theories and there's a lot of circumstantial evidence to back up certain things, it's still hard for me to figure out how the hell we got here. Like it's so obvious to me that the road we're traveling down is filled with thorns and narrow, and you know it's just not a good deal, but people want to go down this road anyway. I don't understand. And social media is one of the ways that perception is manipulated. All of us got to see it in the election of 2024. You know, and now people are turning around and saying, wait a minute, this is not what I voted for, like the head of Latinas for Trump. She came out and said wait a minute, this is not what we voted for. You know, maybe you weren't paying attention. You know, I mean, maybe you weren't paying attention hard enough. I guess you know. But people are starting, to to what degree I don't even know because there's research of of hardcore magas that still subscribe to Donald Trump and still think they're giving him time, it's going to work out, everything's going to. We. We are in pain, we we are, we have cancer and we have to go through the chemotherapy and then we're going to get better. So they look at Trump as the chemotherapy that hurts now, but eventually you'll get better. And that was all laid out by by Trump and by, uh, uh, elon Musk as well, you know.

Speaker 3: 2:31:59

But that's that's how we got here, man, through, through this social media, and it's uh, these people are operating on a different level. We have to get to that level. We have to be able, and we are. We're trying to see it. We're talking about fifth generation warfare and we're talking about mental manipulations, but we're still, I think, divided into camps, even though we think we're not. You think we're still divided into the teams of MAGA and the teams of liberalism or maybe whatever economic system you feel that serves us better. We're still all divided into that and these are all discussions we should be able to have without getting triggered and without calling people all types of names or accusing them of evil things which just to circle back would lead to somebody getting shot. You know, because they legit think these people are evil demons.

Speaker 3: 2:32:54

You know people talk about New York like it's evil, like it's part of the country. You know it's part of America. You know it's part of the country. You know it's it's it's it's part of of America. You know it's one of the fueling engines of America. People talk about LA the same way, like, oh my God, I can't live in LA, whatever. Maybe it's, it's not for everybody. But to hate it to the degree that people do, I don't understand. You know. You know so it's. It's what. California is the fourth biggest economy in the world. It provides for a lot that we have here in the United States. But that's where we are To the point that I used to rule out.

Speaker 3: 2:33:30

When people used to talk about a civil war, I would rule that out and secession. I'm like no, that's not going to happen. These are real possibilities at this point. I hope it doesn't happen. I don't know what the likelihood of it is, but secession, if things continue this way, there are some states that are going to want us to see from the nation and that's going to trigger a civil war, you know. So I don't want to see anything like that, you know, but it's likely. I don't know how likely it is, but at least I can see it happening.

Speaker 2: 2:34:04

I definitely think states need to take a more of an autonomous role in the future. That's the only way that Liberty really has a chance to exist. Is smaller, more localized. It just has to that. Thomas Jefferson recognized it the larger the state, the smaller the citizen. So I think that could be maybe a positive trend. Hopefully it doesn't lead to, you know, a kinetic civil war or something like that. I would. I'd like to see states make more of their own decisions outside the federal government, which was the original intent of the founders and, you know, pre-civil war certainly.

Speaker 2: 2:34:42

I want to ask you both a question, just kind of shift gears a little bit. But back to the geopolitics of the Israeli strike on Iran, trying to figure out why this was the timeline was moved to this or why it was so hurried. It was so hurried. The only thing I can think of is that you know, and I've mentioned this before in the last, I think you know, in the last America Unplugged that we did about a month ago that I was on and I said the issue with politics is it looks permanent but it never is.

Speaker 2: 2:35:14

And you know, I don't know, don, I want to ask you do you think just knowing what you know about history, does it look pretty likely that we're going to have some sort of democratic sweep in 2026, which would set us up for, you know, just impeachment hearings and investigate all that stuff that happened, you know, post 2018? Last time with the first Trump administration, but maybe even worse this time, with the first Trump administration, but maybe even worse this time. If that's the case, is that why this war got moved up that they're just trying to do like a hurry-up offense? I mean, are you following my logic here when I'm trying to see Like I'm wondering why all this has to happen now.

Speaker 4: 2:35:57

Yeah well, I think that's typically what happens. And then, certainly with all the craziness that's going on, certainly, with all the craziness that's going on, the people that the Democrats certainly ought to be fired up to vote for Democrats in the off-year elections. But you know, as Billy was mentioning about the fifth stage, what do you call it?

Speaker 3: 2:36:17

Fifth generation warfare.

Speaker 4: 2:36:18

Fifth generation warfare. That makes sense. I don't know what the hell it is, but it makes sense. You talk about that shooter guy. I mean all the serps like you. Go back to the guy that shot the CEO of the health care company. That was very cut and dry. This guy was upset about it and he shot him. So I mean, I don't know whether it's more real or fake or anything else, but there was a motive and there wasn't anything beyond that. Now you have with this guy he shot a democratic lawmakers that had crossed over and voted against healthcare for illegal aliens. So I don't. So they're sending that message.

Speaker 4: 2:36:58

Well, it looks like a cut and dry method. He was pissed off about that because he doesn't want to get illegals to get through health care. That seemed to be the motive. But then apparently he's got a neighbor talking about he listens to Infowars. He certainly wanted to get that mindset from Infowars and he's got no King's thing. So it was very Lee Harvey Oswald like, because you know, if you go back and look at that, oswald had, you know, fingerprints. He was a Marxist, he defected to Russia supposedly, but he associated with the anti Castro Cubans and he obviously was an intelligence asset. So that's the kind of things we call fifth generation warfare. I don't know, but it's against to muddy up the waters. And you mentioned Jared Lee Loeffner Tony, the guy that supposedly shot Gabby Yiperts, and again, that's all over the place.

Speaker 4: 2:37:39

You don't know what that guy was, and so what is the motive here? So what is the? You know, what are they going to do in terms of Democrats and Republicans? I would think it's in their best interest to have Democrats take both houses, and that might happen anyhow, naturally, I don't know. But because they, you know, they want, and it's in our interest too, because most of the time we want to have a split between the presidency and Congress and ideally a split between both houses, because we don't want things to get done, because 99% of the time they do something, it's going to make things worse. So the best we can hope for is gridlock, which is a hell of a commentary on our political system.

Speaker 4: 2:38:21

But you can see, this is playing out like the first Trump administration. The first Trump administration, he had both houses in Congress for the first two years as well, and he got nothing done. Both houses. Here he's getting nothing done, so once and then it'll be tailor-made. Once he gets in, the Democrats come back, just like last time. Well, what do you expect him to do? The Democrats run Congress. What can you do? Couldn't get past those Democrats. And especially if they start impeaching him again, which I mean if they impeach him on the nonsense they did the first time, I'm sure they can find something you know, at least you know more substantial than that they can try to, you know, impeach him on. So I see they can try to, you know, impeach him on.

Speaker 4: 2:39:03

So I, I I see that probably have, but I don't make predictions. I don't like I I still I'm holding out hope that we're not gonna, that this is gonna be another head fake and more fear porn for world war three, because that's been hanging over our heads now for as long as we've been doing an american plug, because we talked about it almost every show. How many years is that? So I, I think that this looks like it, but I really think, as I was saying to tony earlier, I I think that, um, or saying the audience earlier because we couldn't talk as my echo, but I it looks like. However, however real this is, it looks like iran.

Speaker 4: 2:39:37

It's not like those other countries, and I said I have a you know, a connection there because my, my brother-in-law is an Iranian. I've met tons of Iranians over the years. My sister lived in Tehran for many years and I know the people and I can tell you that whole, and I've known a lot of Afghanis too. You wonder why we in Russia couldn't win in Afghanistan. You have to meet the people. This is the ultimate macho, these guys. That's why you see the Palestinian kids throwing rocks at tanks. They will do that. So if they really want to do this, they're going to have to wipe out every one of those people. Maybe they want to do that, but you're going to have to do that because you're not going to get them to surrender. And that's why I think you know you remember Saddam Hussein. I remember he said bring it on, it's the mother of all wars, or something. It was ridiculous. He really had no defense at all. It was a joke, but that was the mindset. That's the mindset of the people, and the Iranians especially. And they rightfully have a reason because, again, iran's never done anything other than the hostage situation, which can be tied to the politics of the time, because we screwed around in Iran, going back to Mossadegh when the CIA overthrew him in 1954.

Speaker 4: 2:40:51

We installed the puppet, the Shah for the 1960s, who was one of our friendly dictators. We've been involved there. And then they saw and I can tell you from my sister sister lived in Iran. I don't know where the religious fundamentalists were, but they didn't exist then. They had no power at all. Iran was very Americanized in the 1960s. You can see pictures of bikinis and everything and I know my sister lived. They had a lot of Americans living there when the fundamentalists took over.

Speaker 4: 2:41:22

I don't know where this came out, but now they have a different mindset and it's obviously an asthma to the israelis and they seem to be israel's biggest enemy. So I don't know what happened, but I you know. I'm sorry, you know. I'll talk about this as long as I can because we actually do go to war and we go on the war side of iraq. I mean um, israel. We would obviously do. We may not be able to talk about this Because we're at war. What are you talking about? So I'm going to get it out while I can. But this is absolutely ridiculous when you can have a country bomb someone else in the middle of peace talks and then claim they're the victim. Pray for Israel. What are you talking?

Speaker 4: 2:42:04

about I mean, does Iran not have the right to defend itself? So I have no problem with them fighting back. And you know I can't say I don't want to see anybody die. But you know there's a lot of people over there in that part of the world. If I had been bombed and I'd seen a thing like that, I would have every reason to applaud if they got their, you know, if they got their gestures, desserts, and so it'll be interesting to see. But if I was around, I'll put that out there to any Iranians that have any influence over there.

Speaker 4: 2:42:34

If, to whatever degree, trump's personality is real, he obviously has this ego that I think is most enacted, whatever he has. I would try to play on that if I was the Iranians and I would try to put something out there. Hey, you know, I know you're the first guy to be able to stand up to Israel Trump. No one else could do it, but you you can stand up to him. You're not going to let that Netanyahu push you around. You're not going to be a puppet for these guys. I know they can't do that to Trump because he's too powerful. Maybe it won't work, I don't know. I would try it, I don't know. Nothing else would work.

Speaker 2: 2:43:05

You know one second real quick. But I want to ask Don, something about the 1917. That's the Espionage Act, right, woodrow Wilson, don, didn't they in prison? Was it Eugene Debs that went to prison? Yes, speaking of World War I, so that's yeah, there's a precedence, for if you're anti-war, especially if it's bipartisan, you run the risk of being silenced. But anyway, that's why I wanted to, before I lost that train of thought. Go ahead, billy.

Speaker 3: 2:43:33

No, I just I think that Don is correct. I think that Iran should take a strategy like that Don't be so open about it, but definitely because I think that's what's happening right now anyway, with somebody like like, uh, a Stephen Miller, you know um, or a Steve Bannon, you know, they will um, stroke this guy's ego and they're able to manipulate him as a result of that. You know, that's really as easy as it was, and I remember telling Tony I don't know if you remember this months ago. I'm like Tony, I think they figured this out. I think they got this guy totally controlled and it's not even the way we would think. I think they just stroke his ego for a little bit and then he's good with just whatever. So I I I understand that if I was the Iranians, I would take that, that position also. Yes, you can do it. There's no one else that can do it, only you. You were sent by God. You were sent by God to change this, mr Trump, and I love your shoes. You know just God to change this, mr Trump and I love your shoes. You know just throwing everything in the kitchen sink and I think it would work. I really do Well, at least to a degree. It would work until until, you know, somebody got got their claws in from his present administration.

Speaker 3: 2:44:57

But the initial question tone was what do you think is going to happen? Like, why are they? Are they doing this so quickly? Why are they accelerating things? Because you know 2026, 2027 is coming up in 2026, elections? Like, like you know, sometimes I'm trying to not listen as much because I value my eardrums, but I listen to Steve Bannon from time to time and he's been talking about this from almost the beginning of the administration. He's like 2026 is going to come around and we are going to lose. He said we are going to lose, so we need to get everything out now. We have two years. We have two years before the Democrats take the House and maybe the Senate. This is his words, this is what he's saying. So we need to get everything out as soon as possible. Pedal to the metal.

Speaker 3: 2:45:58

And he also thinks that they're going to attempt to impeach Donald Trump, which I am 100% for. I would like impeachment and removal of that maniac. He is a maniac. If we're going to slow this down, right we. I. Tony mentions it all the time on America Unplugged and Don just mentioned it today, mentioned it today we need some friction, we need some gridlock, we need it. And if we're going to do that, we got to get these Democrats back in power in some capacity.

Speaker 3: 2:46:31

I know a lot of MAGA people subscribe to the authoritarianism that's going on right now? I certainly don't. I know an authoritarian when I see one and I know when our liberties are being yanked from us when I see it. So I don't want that. I don't want that. We need gridlock and we need it now. So I'm fully for it, I'm fully for an impeachment, I'm fully for a removal, I'm fully for the Democrats taking over the House and the Senate.

Speaker 3: 2:47:02

And what is that going to result in? Is it going to result in any of the things that you want to get done? Probably not, but it will slow down this inevitable rolling down this, this hill, to the end of the United States. And I'd like to avoid that. I'd like to avoid World War, war three, which looks more and more likely under this big orange buffoon. You know, I I'd like to stop that.

Speaker 3: 2:47:26

Somehow. He wanted, he wants putin to mediate between, between israel and iran. I'm like what is this guy? I'm like at some point we really need to start talking about the uh. His mental stability, I his mental stability. I'm like this this guy just is, is fighting a war already and you want him to mediate. Like what happened to you? I thought he was the ultimate deal deal maker that's going to solve everything. Like I really wish Donald Trump was the president of the United States at this point, because this war in Israel and Iran certainly wouldn't be happening. I tweeted that out the other day. I'm like if he was president, that wouldn't be happening. Clearly he is president and it is happening. He is a liar, he is a con man and I know saying these things, like putting them out there, is not going to change anything. It'll just cause people that are down with MAGA to double down, triple down, quadruple down, because that's the way the operation was meant to take place. That's the way it's meant to proceed.

Speaker 3: 2:48:29

You, once you attack this guy, you take it as a personal attack on yourself. You're like oh, you're attacking Trump, you're attacking me. I remember I saw Kid Rock when Trump got shot. He came out and made a video. He's like you're effing with Trump, you're effing with me and I'm like what does that have to do? What is he going to like, what are you going to do? Besides, dress up and play Kid Rock? Besides, dress up and play bad music? Like, what are you going to do?

Speaker 3: 2:48:55

You know, meanwhile, kid Rock's restaurant got shut down because he had nothing, but his restaurant got shut down because he had nothing. But his restaurant got shut down because he had nothing but illegal aliens, uh, working in the back, and they wouldn't shut up, show up to work because they thought they were going to get, uh, uh arrested, so his restaurant had to shut down for a couple of days. I'm going to talk about the hypocrisy there. Um, trump is still employing illegal immigrants. Apparently, uh, he was using them the other day for something like. It's just hypocrisy upon hypocrisy upon hypocrisy. So, yeah, like in 2026, I don't know what the likelihood is. I thought these things were no brainers, you know, I guess not. It's very, a very different America than I thought I lived in. So I don't know if that'll actually happen in 2026, meaning the Democrats will take back power, but they're actively planning for it, you know?

Speaker 3: 2:49:46

And if you guys want an inside look on what's going on in MAGA, you want to be three, four or five months ahead. Tune in to Steve Bannon. He's a horrible talk show host, but he's a brilliant man. He's an evil man maybe, but he's a brilliant man and he strategizes all of this stuff. And that's the main reason I know what's going to happen with MAGA two months ahead is because he's saying he's just saying, he's openly saying it. You guys, anybody that used to listen to InfoWars they were like oh well, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not a genius, right, I'm not, I don't have a crystal ball. These documents are open, they're out in the open, they're all out. There is what he used to say. Well, it's the same deal here. Steve Bannon is openly saying what's going to happen and he's been talking about 2026 for some time and he seems to think that there is a big possibility that the Democrats are going to take over and they're going to try to impeach Donald Trump.

Speaker 2: 2:50:55

Well, I mean, that's what? I would just think that right off the bat. That's just for me, just studying history and politics, which I'm not even it's hard. Or drug prices or regulation or some sort of like. Hey, let's make sure that the free market works, or semblance of not a free market anymore. But that's the only time you get gridlock. When you get like the skids are greased is you get warfare. Welfare state Both parties agree. Both parties are puppets for the technocracy. Welfare state both parties agree both parties are puppets for the technocracy. So I mean, nothing really stops the technocratic push in different form, whether it's cbdc or through some back or stable coin thing, it's the same deal. It's the same.

Speaker 2: 2:51:34

To me it's the same people, uh, doing the same thing, doing the same dance but you mentioned something earlier which uh trump wants to put putin in charge of the negotiations for iran and israel. I just saw, before we went live, I just saw a story about uh zelinski saying how iran was such a threat you know, so he's obviously he's taking his orders for for israel. So that would be interesting if we could get Zelensky to negotiate with Putin over the fate of. Iran. Maybe we could do that. Miracles do happen.

Speaker 3: 2:52:07

Maybe we'll get some peace. Finally. If we get some peace, I'm all for it. Let them do it, let them take credit for it. I'll be very happy with it.

Speaker 3: 2:52:15

But I think, tony, I think ultimately you're right. I think, tony, like, I think ultimately you're right, but things have devolved in a way where we need gridlock to stop things like having you know, posse commentatus just like ignored right or like habeas corpus, like this is on a level that I haven't seen in my lifetime. You know, and and everything goes in cycles. We'll survive it, you know, we'll survive this. Everything goes in cycles. I, I. But we won't be a superpower anymore. It's debate, it's debatable whether or not we're a superpower. Now you know it's, it's just not going to happen.

Speaker 3: 2:52:59

But besides that, the people of the United States are under real danger here, and I want to stress here, there's a lot of racial profiling going on because of these deportations and these are American citizens which I said was going to happen on America, unplugged, months ago. It's happening, and I mentioned this the last time I was on with Travis If you have to push back just for selfish reasons, go ahead and do it. Go ahead and do it. You may not care what happens to other people, but maybe you care what happens to you. So push back on this stuff, because eventually it's going to knock on your door. It's going to. This is the lawlessness, what's going on here. So we do need, we do need some gridlock. We need some people to push back on this, and I would urge everybody to participate in the process.

Speaker 3: 2:54:04

I haven't voted for the majority of my life, you guys know I voted for Ron Paul. That's the only time I voted. I'm going to go out and vote for every single thing I can here and I'm not voting MAGA. Notice, I didn't say Republican, I'm not voting MAGA at all at all. I will vote for a piece of driftwood before I vote for MAGA, and that's in the best interest of every American. At this point, what they're doing to day-to-day people on the street innocent people Putting on masks, throwing them in the back of vans uh, that's not a good look for anyone, uh, so I would urge people to try to do something about that before it knocks on your door, because it inevitably will I.

Speaker 2: 2:54:52

I regret now that I have to return all of the uh birthday presents I got you this year.

Speaker 3: 2:54:57

I didn't realize you were so anti-maga, billy oh damn, but if you, if you got me a pair, if you got me a pair of the MAGA sneakers, I'll take those and the MAGA guitar, I want one.

Speaker 2: 2:55:08

So I'll take those if you did that. It's what's going to be hard to return. It's the shipping on that giant Trump Idol from the CPAC. I got that one for you.

Speaker 3: 2:55:18

I want that too. It's the golden. Send that to me. Yes, I got that one for you.

Speaker 2: 2:55:23

I want that too. It's the golden. Hey Don, do you have to go? I?

Speaker 4: 2:55:25

know that you yeah, I got to run a few minutes. I appreciate it. Good talking to you guys. Donald Jeffries on subsoccom, I protest the only place in the chat. I appreciate it. It was great being with you guys.

Speaker 2: 2:55:35

Thank you, Don.

Speaker 4: 2:55:37

Thank you, take care.

Speaker 3: 2:55:39

You know what I really want, Tony, Since you have the means. I know you do. So what I really want is the Ark of the Covenant that he has.

Speaker 2: 2:55:47

Why do I have the means for the Ark of the Covenant?

Speaker 3: 2:55:50

I don't know. You go off on missions all the time. I'm fully aware of this. I know all the artifacts you have stored over there in Wise Wolf. Listen, all I want is it's a replica. It's not even the real one.

Speaker 2: 2:56:08

Just take it from him and give it to me. I'd love for you to do it. Well, I would love to. I'd like to take, if I could get, the actual Ark of the Covenant, take it to Congress and then me and you would just have like ready blindfolds and we just open it and everybody look at it know, and it's like the end of the raiders.

Speaker 2: 2:56:23

Don't open your eyes, don't open all that you know. Yeah, okay, we'll just uh go back to back against the post. I'm like don't look directly at it right, right, right.

Speaker 3: 2:56:33

We already have the heads up. You know um off topic, I mean on the topic we're talking about now. I think about that often. I'm obsessed with the ark of the covenant. One of these days I want to go to Ethiopia because they claim they have it there and I know they have something.

Speaker 2: 2:56:48

I just don't know if it's. I've heard about it. It's called the Sign and the Seal.

Speaker 3: 2:56:51

Yeah yeah, yeah, I'm familiar. It's in. I think I'm going to pronounce this wrong, but I think it's Atum or awesome, right? Uh, ethiopia, where they have it. Um, and the guy that's in, there's one guy that's dedicated to to sitting with the ark and protecting the ark. That's it. He never leaves. Uh, and they did an interview with him once. In his eyes he has something wrong with his eyes and he says it's the ark. He said it was a thing of fire, um, and that's what did damage to his eyes.

Speaker 2: 2:57:22

Yeah, that's the kind of see. That's what we need. An infinite fringe about the arc. You need to do a series on it. You got to get back. You got to get back to what's interesting.

Speaker 3: 2:57:32

That's a great idea, actually, tony, do it with me. Yeah, do it with me.

Speaker 2: 2:57:43

I have some pair of truth that I want to do, but all history stuff I'm going to do the Fourth Reich and some of the stuff in Operation Paperclip. I've got a great interview on gold coming up. We only got two minutes left and I want to close right. Tell people where they can find you.

Speaker 3: 2:57:54

Billy, I know we're just kidding, you know, if you so choose, brv 1776, that's the Bavarian Illuminati, not anything related to MAGA guys. Ok, so BRV 1776 at gmailcom. Hit me up there. American Unplugged, 12 pm Eastern every Saturday and my show on Ground Zero Plus. We should talk about that tone because you could do. You could do a paratrooper before me if you want, since you typically do that anyway, but we could do it back to back. You know I've been operating without a name over there at ground zero plus 7. Pm on Sundays. I'm going to call it gorilla underground Shouts to my boy twisted. That's, that's what I'm, that's what I'm going to call it. So that's 7 pm on Sunday. He's over there on Ground Zero Plus and on Tony's X. Tony's X. He's nice enough to let me stream there. So I appreciate it. Thank you, buddy. That's it, man. That's all I got.

Speaker 2: 2:58:57

I appreciate you, I appreciate the audience and thanks for bearing with us through technical difficulties. We ended up having 1,228 people watching live, so that's fine. I'll be back tomorrow. I've got Charlie Robinson on Octopus of Global Control, the controlled demolition of the American empire. Myself we'll get into some parapolitics and precious metals. Thank you, Billy. I'm going to see if I can play the outro Hold on a second.

Speaker 3: 2:59:30

We're going to see if I can play the outro.

Speaker 1: 2:59:32

Hold on a second. We're going to see if we can do this. I'll have to take us offline to make it work. Right, one second, let me see if I can make this work. Look at the PJ. © transcript Emily Beynon.