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Well, I feel like what an"},{"speaker":"Annemie Tonken","startTime":3626.94,"endTime":3634.92,"body":"amazing story and I will be very"},{"speaker":"Annemie Tonken","startTime":3634.92,"endTime":3639.42,"body":"interested to watch the rest of"},{"speaker":"Annemie Tonken","startTime":3634.92,"endTime":3639.42,"body":"it unfold. And I appreciate you"},{"speaker":"Annemie Tonken","startTime":3639.42,"endTime":3642.72,"body":"taking the time to share it with"},{"speaker":"Annemie Tonken","startTime":3639.42,"endTime":3642.72,"body":"a bunch of photographers from"},{"speaker":"Annemie Tonken","startTime":3642.72,"endTime":3645.33,"body":"all around the world. I think we"},{"speaker":"Annemie Tonken","startTime":3642.72,"endTime":3645.33,"body":"can all draw a lot of"},{"speaker":"Annemie Tonken","startTime":3645.33,"endTime":3649.95,"body":"inspiration from you and your"},{"speaker":"Annemie Tonken","startTime":3645.33,"endTime":3649.95,"body":"story. Thank you know my"},{"speaker":"Annemie Tonken","startTime":3649.95,"endTime":3653.91,"body":"pleasure. Thank you. I will"},{"speaker":"Annemie Tonken","startTime":3649.95,"endTime":3653.91,"body":"hopefully be talking to you"},{"speaker":"Annemie Tonken","startTime":3653.91,"endTime":3654.63,"body":"again soon."},{"speaker":"Cornell Watson","startTime":3655.02,"endTime":3656.13,"body":"Yeah,"},{"speaker":"Cornell Watson","startTime":3655.02,"endTime":3656.13,"body":"absolutely."},{"speaker":"Annemie Tonken","startTime":3657.63,"endTime":3660.15,"body":"All right."},{"speaker":"Annemie Tonken","startTime":3657.63,"endTime":3660.15,"body":"Thanks. Oh, and Cornell I should"},{"speaker":"Annemie Tonken","startTime":3660.15,"endTime":3663.72,"body":"I almost forgot the most"},{"speaker":"Annemie Tonken","startTime":3660.15,"endTime":3663.72,"body":"important parts. Tell people"},{"speaker":"Annemie Tonken","startTime":3663.72,"endTime":3664.59,"body":"where they can find you."},{"speaker":"Cornell Watson","startTime":3665.32,"endTime":3674.41,"body":"You can find me"},{"speaker":"Cornell Watson","startTime":3665.32,"endTime":3674.41,"body":"at cornellwatson.com. I am also"},{"speaker":"Cornell Watson","startTime":3674.44,"endTime":3680.98,"body":"@cornwhzzle on Instagram. There"},{"speaker":"Cornell Watson","startTime":3674.44,"endTime":3680.98,"body":"we go."},{"speaker":"Annemie Tonken","startTime":3681.99,"endTime":3683.94,"body":"After smile when"},{"speaker":"Annemie Tonken","startTime":3681.99,"endTime":3683.94,"body":"you're saying it's the best"},{"speaker":"Annemie Tonken","startTime":3683.94,"endTime":3687.75,"body":"Instagram handle out there."},{"speaker":"Annemie Tonken","startTime":3683.94,"endTime":3687.75,"body":"Alright, and I'll link both of"},{"speaker":"Annemie Tonken","startTime":3687.75,"endTime":3690.0,"body":"those in the show notes. Thank"},{"speaker":"Annemie Tonken","startTime":3687.75,"endTime":3690.0,"body":"you so much, Cornell."},{"speaker":"Cornell Watson","startTime":3690.36,"endTime":3691.2,"body":"Thank you."},{"speaker":"Annemie Tonken","startTime":3692.67,"endTime":3694.98,"body":"Well, that's it"},{"speaker":"Annemie Tonken","startTime":3692.67,"endTime":3694.98,"body":"for this week's episode of This"},{"speaker":"Annemie Tonken","startTime":3694.98,"endTime":3698.76,"body":"can't be that hard. 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