{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":3.68,"endTime":4.36,"body":"Welcome onto the show."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":4.36,"endTime":4.96,"body":"Nifty."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":5.04,"endTime":11.52,"body":"So good to finally sit down and chat about all"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":5.04,"endTime":11.52,"body":"of the absurd amounts of events and work that"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":11.52,"endTime":13.08,"body":"you're doing behind the scenes."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":13.08,"endTime":14.56,"body":"I feel like every time I talk to you, you're"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":14.56,"endTime":17.64,"body":"in a different part of the world doing a"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":14.56,"endTime":17.64,"body":"totally different thing with a totally"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":17.64,"endTime":19.92,"body":"different set of speakers at conferences,"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":20.0,"endTime":22.28,"body":"and you've got a. You've got a crazy schedule."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":22.28,"endTime":24.2,"body":"But I was glad I was able to pin you down a"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":24.2,"endTime":27.0,"body":"little bit to chat about all of the stuff"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":24.2,"endTime":27.0,"body":"you've been doing in the space."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":27.0,"endTime":27.84,"body":"Welcome onto the show."},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":28.3,"endTime":29.34,"body":"Yeah, thanks for having me."},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":29.34,"endTime":32.74,"body":"I'm super excited to be here and super excited"},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":32.74,"endTime":34.86,"body":"to be in one place so I can have a chat."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":36.86,"endTime":37.58,"body":"Yeah, yeah."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":37.58,"endTime":38.3,"body":"Understandable."},{"speaker":"Seth For 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He's stuck on Monero."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":191.65,"endTime":192.37,"body":"I don't know why."},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":192.61,"endTime":197.57,"body":"Yeah, but I feel like he's been"},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":192.61,"endTime":197.57,"body":"like fighting with the Monero people with"},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":197.57,"endTime":198.53,"body":"Lightning stuff."},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":198.53,"endTime":200.57,"body":"So I don't know, maybe we'll have him like do"},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":200.57,"endTime":202.45,"body":"a live, like, what do you call it?"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":203.81,"endTime":205.49,"body":"Quote unquote, tracing demo."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":205.49,"endTime":207.45,"body":"Yeah, I'm hesitant to call what he does"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":207.45,"endTime":209.25,"body":"tracing, but he calls it."},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":209.41,"endTime":211.37,"body":"Maybe we shouldn't get at the"},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":209.41,"endTime":211.37,"body":"bottom of the puzzle."},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":211.37,"endTime":212.29,"body":"Be like distracting."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":212.29,"endTime":215.5,"body":"But if you're going to have"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":212.29,"endTime":215.5,"body":"him come do a live Monero thing, then I'm."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":215.5,"endTime":216.82,"body":"I'm going to have to come to Riga."},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":216.82,"endTime":218.46,"body":"So, I mean, this is how we get you"},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":216.82,"endTime":218.46,"body":"there."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":218.46,"endTime":218.98,"body":"Yeah, I know."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":218.98,"endTime":220.14,"body":"That's how you lure me in."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":220.86,"endTime":221.82,"body":"I was on the fence."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":221.82,"endTime":223.54,"body":"But you know, if, if super is going to be"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":223.54,"endTime":224.74,"body":"there in person, I might have to."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":224.74,"endTime":227.5,"body":"I have to come, come, come get into some, some"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":227.5,"endTime":228.9,"body":"mortal Monero versus Lightning."},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":228.9,"endTime":230.3,"body":"I mean, you should combat."},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":230.46,"endTime":231.26,"body":"You should come."},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":231.5,"endTime":233.98,"body":"I'm going to talk to super right after this"},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":231.5,"endTime":233.98,"body":"and let you know."},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":234.86,"endTime":239.38,"body":"But. Yeah, but that's kind of the hope, right?"},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":234.86,"endTime":239.38,"body":"And that's the reason why I do topics is"},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":239.38,"endTime":243.15,"body":"because I feel like it's a fun opportunity to"},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":239.38,"endTime":243.15,"body":"bring everyone who's passionate around that"},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":243.15,"endTime":249.15,"body":"particular topic together to talk about like"},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":243.15,"endTime":249.15,"body":"things that are really important in this"},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":249.15,"endTime":249.47,"body":"space."},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":249.47,"endTime":254.55,"body":"So I mean, we just did one on mempoles and"},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":249.47,"endTime":254.55,"body":"mining polls, which to be fair, I've been"},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":254.55,"endTime":255.63,"body":"planning for like a year."},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":256.11,"endTime":263.03,"body":"Um, we got everyone in the room who cared"},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":256.11,"endTime":263.03,"body":"about mempool and relay policy and like some"},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":263.03,"endTime":263.43,"body":"extension."},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":263.43,"endTime":265.11,"body":"We also had a bunch of miners and mining"},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":265.11,"endTime":265.91,"body":"people in the room too."},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":265.91,"endTime":267.15,"body":"Cause they're like pretty related."},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":267.31,"endTime":269.56,"body":"So we had some people talk about like mining,"},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":269.56,"endTime":271.36,"body":"pool designs, payouts,"},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":272.48,"endTime":274.08,"body":"blockbuilding, templates stuff."},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":274.08,"endTime":276.2,"body":"So we had a really great talk on datum, which"},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":276.2,"endTime":279.68,"body":"I need to start getting all the videos out now"},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":276.2,"endTime":279.68,"body":"that I'm like, back in one place."},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":281.36,"endTime":283.72,"body":"Yeah. Anyway, sorry, I'm, like, all over the"},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":281.36,"endTime":283.72,"body":"place."},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":283.72,"endTime":286.56,"body":"You asked me a question and I went on a chair."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":287.92,"endTime":288.4,"body":"You're good."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":288.4,"endTime":290.16,"body":"Well, I'll circle back to a lot of little"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":290.24,"endTime":291.08,"body":"pieces from that."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":291.08,"endTime":294.16,"body":"I feel like you gave a really good overview of"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":294.16,"endTime":297.32,"body":"a lot of things we're going to talk about"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":294.16,"endTime":297.32,"body":"today, so I'll narrow down."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":297.32,"endTime":299.04,"body":"First, I want to focus on the."},{"speaker":"Seth 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you're"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":312.08,"endTime":314.36,"body":"running."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":314.36,"endTime":315.799,"body":"You've run 13 now."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":316.2,"endTime":318.44,"body":"You have six in 2025 alone,"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":318.84,"endTime":319.76,"body":"four more to go."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":319.76,"endTime":320.4,"body":"Like, how."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":320.4,"endTime":322.36,"body":"How did that transition happen?"},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":322.92,"endTime":326.88,"body":"Yeah, I feel like I have to, like,"},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":322.92,"endTime":326.88,"body":"correct you as, like, mini autist that I am."},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":326.88,"endTime":328.36,"body":"I've only run nine so far."},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":328.36,"endTime":330.52,"body":"It'll be 13 at the end of the year."},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":330.52,"endTime":335.35,"body":"Y But we're making plans to get probably the"},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":330.52,"endTime":335.35,"body":"next three or four in early 2020."},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":335.35,"endTime":336.27,"body":"I think I have, like,"},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":336.83,"endTime":340.75,"body":"four already tentatively on the books for 2026"},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":336.83,"endTime":340.75,"body":"next year already."},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":341.07,"endTime":344.43,"body":"So how do I get into this?"},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":344.91,"endTime":346.35,"body":"You know, that's a great question."},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":346.75,"endTime":349.55,"body":"I think it started because I was like, it was"},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":346.75,"endTime":349.55,"body":"2022."},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":349.87,"endTime":354.51,"body":"I was doing this 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bigger prizes in"},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":2765.45,"endTime":2766.25,"body":"the hackathons."},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":2766.49,"endTime":2768.13,"body":"We can have like nicer lunches."},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":2768.13,"endTime":2769.93,"body":"I can keep doing this, you know,"},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":2770.57,"endTime":2772.97,"body":"so if you like want to see these things keep"},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":2770.57,"endTime":2772.97,"body":"happening."},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":2773.29,"endTime":2776.41,"body":"Yeah, come get involved, like show up and."},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":2776.57,"endTime":2777.85,"body":"Yeah, we'd love to have you."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":2778.49,"endTime":2778.97,"body":"Awesome."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":2778.97,"endTime":2780.21,"body":"Well, thank you so much for your time."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":2780.21,"endTime":2780.81,"body":"Nifty."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":2780.97,"endTime":2783.13,"body":"Always a pleasure to get to get to chat."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":2783.61,"endTime":2784.85,"body":"Really thankful for all the work you're doing."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":2784.85,"endTime":2786.81,"body":"On Bitcoin plus plus Any last minute thoughts"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":2786.81,"endTime":2787.94,"body":"or we just want to wrap there?"},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":2790.01,"endTime":2791.29,"body":"No, I'm excited about this."},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":2791.29,"endTime":2793.09,"body":"I'm excited about this year and like really"},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":2793.09,"endTime":2798.61,"body":"hope to see everyone who's interested in COIN"},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":2793.09,"endTime":2798.61,"body":"Technicals like come to a conference because I"},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":2798.61,"endTime":2803.13,"body":"think they really are like a good investment"},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":2798.61,"endTime":2803.13,"body":"in terms of like time and money spent"},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":2803.13,"endTime":2803.69,"body":"traveling."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":2804.09,"endTime":2805.53,"body":"Yep. Yeah, very much so."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":2805.53,"endTime":2807.33,"body":"I think a lot of the highlights of my year"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":2807.33,"endTime":2811.01,"body":"every year, the side conversations that happen"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":2807.33,"endTime":2811.01,"body":"at other conferences, so much less a"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":2811.01,"endTime":2814.93,"body":"conference that's actually focused on the"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":2811.01,"endTime":2814.93,"body":"bitcoin technicals that are, that are more,"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":2814.93,"endTime":2816.85,"body":"more interesting to me and many people like"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":2814.93,"endTime":2816.85,"body":"me."},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":2816.85,"endTime":2817.17,"body":"So."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":2817.17,"endTime":2818.37,"body":"Yep. Awesome."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":2818.37,"endTime":2818.69,"body":"Thank you."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":2818.69,"endTime":2819.17,"body":"Nifty."},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":2819.17,"endTime":2820.19,"body":"Cool. Thanks, Seth."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":2828.19,"endTime":2831.31,"body":"Thanks for listening and I"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":2828.19,"endTime":2831.31,"body":"hope you enjoyed this episode of Opt Out."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":2831.39,"endTime":2834.19,"body":"If you did, please take a moment and subscribe"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":2831.39,"endTime":2834.19,"body":"to the podcast."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":2834.19,"endTime":2838.11,"body":"Or if you're already subscribed, share it with"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":2834.19,"endTime":2838.11,"body":"one friend or family member this week."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":2838.75,"endTime":2843.03,"body":"As always, you can check out the link to the"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":2838.75,"endTime":2843.03,"body":"guest content and contact info, as well as"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":2843.03,"endTime":2845.47,"body":"links to all of the tools we discussed in"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":2843.03,"endTime":2845.47,"body":"today's episode."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":2845.71,"endTime":2847.63,"body":"Now get out there and opt out this week."},{"speaker":"Nifty Nei","startTime":2848.38,"endTime":2859.84,"body":"Sam."}]}