{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":3.84,"endTime":6.0,"body":"Welcome onto the show,"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":3.84,"endTime":6.0,"body":"Gabriel and Urban."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":6.0,"endTime":10.04,"body":"It has been so good chatting with y' all over"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":6.0,"endTime":10.04,"body":"the past few years and somehow I've realized"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":10.04,"endTime":13.68,"body":"that I had not had y' all on opt out at all,"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":10.04,"endTime":13.68,"body":"even though I've been on,"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":14.08,"endTime":15.92,"body":"on your podcast, Watchmen Privacy."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":16.4,"endTime":17.4,"body":"We've chatted in person."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":17.4,"endTime":19.2,"body":"Urban had some really good conversations."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":19.36,"endTime":21.12,"body":"So I'm really excited to have y' all on."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":21.12,"endTime":25.08,"body":"Y' all bring a, a wide breadth of knowledge to"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":25.08,"endTime":26.4,"body":"the privacy and security space,"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":26.96,"endTime":29.28,"body":"building out some fantastic educational"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":26.96,"endTime":29.28,"body":"resources."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":30.0,"endTime":31.28,"body":"I'm super excited for this."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":31.28,"endTime":33.37,"body":"For, for those who maybe don't know either of"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":33.37,"endTime":36.85,"body":"you guys, do you mind just introducing"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":33.37,"endTime":36.85,"body":"yourself, telling us a little bit about what"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":36.85,"endTime":39.05,"body":"you're up to, and then we'll roll from there?"},{"speaker":"Gabriel Custodiet","startTime":39.77,"endTime":42.41,"body":"Yeah. 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fewer things connected to"},{"speaker":"Gabriel Custodiet","startTime":2202.19,"endTime":2207.51,"body":"the cloud, fewer, let's say conveniences and I"},{"speaker":"Gabriel Custodiet","startTime":2202.19,"endTime":2207.51,"body":"don't like that word because I think getting"},{"speaker":"Gabriel Custodiet","startTime":2207.51,"endTime":2209.95,"body":"your information stolen is a great"},{"speaker":"Gabriel Custodiet","startTime":2207.51,"endTime":2209.95,"body":"inconvenience."},{"speaker":"Gabriel Custodiet","startTime":2210.27,"endTime":2213.71,"body":"So I think that using things offline is"},{"speaker":"Gabriel Custodiet","startTime":2210.27,"endTime":2213.71,"body":"actually quite convenient in the long run."},{"speaker":"Gabriel Custodiet","startTime":2213.95,"endTime":2218.91,"body":"I would say do more of that and don't fall"},{"speaker":"Gabriel Custodiet","startTime":2213.95,"endTime":2218.91,"body":"back on, oh, I need to install this latest"},{"speaker":"Gabriel 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control over your data."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":2249.86,"endTime":2252.26,"body":"But if you actually take a step back,"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":2253.22,"endTime":2257.38,"body":"the vast majority of the apps that we use, the"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":2253.22,"endTime":2257.38,"body":"sites that we use, the accounts that we have"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":2257.38,"endTime":2259.22,"body":"are just not necessary today."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":2259.38,"endTime":2265.06,"body":"And at best are like a loss, like they're not"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":2265.06,"endTime":2269.46,"body":"benefiting us and at worst they're detracting"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":2265.06,"endTime":2269.46,"body":"from the quality of life that we could have"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":2269.46,"endTime":2273.46,"body":"because of the distractions that they 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like hurts the quality of"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":2288.27,"endTime":2288.95,"body":"life that you have."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":2288.95,"endTime":2292.31,"body":"But so much of what we do just does not need"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":2288.95,"endTime":2292.31,"body":"to be online."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":2292.63,"endTime":2294.43,"body":"Just there's no reason for it."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":2294.43,"endTime":2296.27,"body":"And they're fantastic tools these days to get"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":2296.27,"endTime":2297.99,"body":"a lot of that stuff offline."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":2297.99,"endTime":2299.83,"body":"Even like an example is photo backup."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":2299.83,"endTime":2303.23,"body":"There are some advantages to using an end to"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":2299.83,"endTime":2303.23,"body":"end 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I'm not coming back here."},{"speaker":"Gabriel Custodiet","startTime":2772.19,"endTime":2772.47,"body":"Right?"},{"speaker":"Gabriel Custodiet","startTime":2772.63,"endTime":2773.91,"body":"You can always opt out."},{"speaker":"Gabriel Custodiet","startTime":2773.91,"endTime":2775.51,"body":"You can always find an alternative."},{"speaker":"Gabriel Custodiet","startTime":2776.08,"endTime":2777.08,"body":"And that's what we need to be."},{"speaker":"Gabriel Custodiet","startTime":2777.08,"endTime":2778.96,"body":"We need to be like Bruce Lee, right?"},{"speaker":"Gabriel Custodiet","startTime":2778.96,"endTime":2779.68,"body":"Be like water."},{"speaker":"Gabriel Custodiet","startTime":2779.68,"endTime":2780.64,"body":"Just Be flexible."},{"speaker":"Gabriel Custodiet","startTime":2781.04,"endTime":2786.0,"body":"And if somebody is not respecting our privacy,"},{"speaker":"Gabriel Custodiet","startTime":2781.04,"endTime":2786.0,"body":"if this website is not allowing us because 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they are probably going to be this"},{"speaker":"UrbanHacker","startTime":3383.74,"endTime":3391.26,"body":"like to dismiss it because you know, when you"},{"speaker":"UrbanHacker","startTime":3383.74,"endTime":3391.26,"body":"have this fancy titanium coated steel marine"},{"speaker":"UrbanHacker","startTime":3391.26,"endTime":3395.74,"body":"grade space military resistant plate."},{"speaker":"UrbanHacker","startTime":3396.3,"endTime":3399.18,"body":"It looks very obvious like a crypto backup."},{"speaker":"UrbanHacker","startTime":3399.42,"endTime":3403.19,"body":"But if it's a random string with some, you"},{"speaker":"UrbanHacker","startTime":3403.19,"endTime":3405.99,"body":"know, things attached to it, it doesn't"},{"speaker":"UrbanHacker","startTime":3403.19,"endTime":3405.99,"body":"scream."},{"speaker":"UrbanHacker","startTime":3406.55,"endTime":3408.03,"body":"It doesn't scream crypto at all."},{"speaker":"UrbanHacker","startTime":3408.03,"endTime":3410.07,"body":"And we have a lot of those products where it's"},{"speaker":"UrbanHacker","startTime":3410.07,"endTime":3411.67,"body":"like you built, you built it yourself."},{"speaker":"UrbanHacker","startTime":3412.63,"endTime":3415.11,"body":"If you go to Walmart, there is nothing,"},{"speaker":"UrbanHacker","startTime":3415.43,"endTime":3417.59,"body":"you know, there is no special hardware you"},{"speaker":"UrbanHacker","startTime":3415.43,"endTime":3417.59,"body":"need."},{"speaker":"UrbanHacker","startTime":3417.749,"endTime":3419.11,"body":"So you don't really like."},{"speaker":"UrbanHacker","startTime":3419.35,"endTime":3420.55,"body":"It doesn't scream."},{"speaker":"UrbanHacker","startTime":3421.27,"endTime":3423.19,"body":"It is not like suspicious or anything."},{"speaker":"UrbanHacker","startTime":3423.19,"endTime":3425.11,"body":"And you can do this with off the shelf things"},{"speaker":"UrbanHacker","startTime":3425.19,"endTime":3426.63,"body":"and we have a few like this,"},{"speaker":"UrbanHacker","startTime":3427.75,"endTime":3429.41,"body":"those kits that you can do."},{"speaker":"UrbanHacker","startTime":3430.04,"endTime":3433.64,"body":"So yeah, I will send you the PDF set."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":3434.12,"endTime":3434.6,"body":"Amazing."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":3434.6,"endTime":3436.24,"body":"Yeah, we'll definitely get that in the show"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":3436.24,"endTime":3440.64,"body":"notes because that's definitely one of the"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":3436.24,"endTime":3440.64,"body":"more different, more interesting things that"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":3440.64,"endTime":3441.56,"body":"I've heard covered here."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":3441.56,"endTime":3443.2,"body":"So we'll get that in there."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":3443.2,"endTime":3444.68,"body":"Well, thank you guys so much."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":3444.92,"endTime":3445.64,"body":"Fantastic."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":3445.64,"endTime":3447.92,"body":"Getting to chat again, getting to pick your"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":3445.64,"endTime":3447.92,"body":"brains."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":3447.92,"endTime":3449.48,"body":"Y' all are doing amazing work in the space."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":3449.96,"endTime":3454.24,"body":"I'm really excited to see how y' all keep"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":3449.96,"endTime":3454.24,"body":"building escape the technocracy who you keep"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":3454.24,"endTime":3455.32,"body":"having on your awesome show."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":3455.32,"endTime":3457.04,"body":"Gabriel and Watchman Privacy Podcast."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":3457.43,"endTime":3458.63,"body":"Y' all are doing doing amazing work."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":3458.63,"endTime":3459.51,"body":"Thank you for coming on."},{"speaker":"Gabriel Custodiet","startTime":3459.99,"endTime":3461.59,"body":"You as well, Seth. Thank"},{"speaker":"Gabriel Custodiet","startTime":3459.99,"endTime":3461.59,"body":"you so much."},{"speaker":"UrbanHacker","startTime":3462.63,"endTime":3463.27,"body":"Thank you."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":3471.43,"endTime":3474.55,"body":"Thanks for listening and I"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":3471.43,"endTime":3474.55,"body":"hope you enjoyed this episode of Opt Out."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":3474.63,"endTime":3477.43,"body":"If you did, please take a moment and subscribe"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":3474.63,"endTime":3477.43,"body":"to the podcast."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":3477.43,"endTime":3481.35,"body":"Or if you're already subscribed, share it with"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":3477.43,"endTime":3481.35,"body":"one friend or family member this week."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":3481.99,"endTime":3486.26,"body":"As always, you can check out the link to the"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":3481.99,"endTime":3486.26,"body":"guest content and contact info as well as"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":3486.26,"endTime":3488.7,"body":"links to all of the tools we discussed in"},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":3486.26,"endTime":3488.7,"body":"today's episode."},{"speaker":"Seth For Privacy","startTime":3488.94,"endTime":3490.86,"body":"Nugget out there and opt out this week."}]}