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Gold Soars to Historic Highs as Dollar Crumbles: Is Trump Orchestrating a Financial Apocalypse?
The financial world is experiencing seismic shifts as gold prices surge beyond $3,100 per ounce, establishing new all-time highs amid growing global uncertainty. This remarkable price movement isn't simply about gold becoming more valuable—it's a stark indicator of the dollar's rapidly declining purchasing power, which has fallen by 40% against gold in just the past year.
Tony Arterburn of Wise Wolf Gold joins to unpack what's truly happening beneath the headlines. The discussion reveals how current economic policies, particularly recent tariff implementations, are creating market disruptions that may be deliberately engineered to facilitate a broader financial reset. Rather than viewing these developments through a conventional economic lens, Tony suggests we're witnessing the early stages of a controlled demolition of the traditional financial system.
The conversation delves into how BRICS nations are systematically establishing alternative financial infrastructures while central banks worldwide quietly accumulate gold and silver reserves. Meanwhile, retail investors rush into paper gold ETFs without understanding the fundamental differences between these financial instruments and physical metal ownership. This disconnect between institutional and retail behavior may prove costly as the financial landscape continues to transform.
Perhaps most concerning is the accelerating push toward digital currency systems that could enable unprecedented financial surveillance and control. While governments publicly oppose Central Bank Digital Currencies, private-public partnerships are developing suspiciously similar systems under different names. Unlike digital currencies, physical precious metals remain outside this surveillance grid—they can't be remotely frozen, monitored, or confiscated with the click of a button.
As we navigate these uncertain waters, positioning yourself outside the conventional financial system with tangible assets becomes increasingly critical. Whether you're just beginning to explore precious metals or looking to expand your holdings, there are accessible entry points for investors at every level. The time to prepare isn't after the crisis hits—it's right now, while you still have the freedom to choose.
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Speaker 4:Tony is now is Tony Arterburn of Wise Wolf Gold and he has set up David Knightgold. I'll take you there and I imagine Tony, as I said before, is super busy right now because gold is in all the headlines like we've never seen it before, because they're seeing new all-time highs and it benefited yesterday. It seems to be very comfortable in the $3,100 range, doesn't it, tony? Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 5:It's great to be back, David. Yes, if you look at the metrics, the dollar has lost 40% of its purchasing power against gold in the last year alone. Wow, these are historic times $3,100 an ounce gold and it surpassed that. It went into the mid-3,100s a couple days ago.
Speaker 4:And that's the key thing, even more important than the price of gold versus dollar, and that is the purchasing power of the dollar. And if it goes down by 40%, that's really the true value of the gold, isn't it?
Speaker 5:That's right. I mean, that's what I try to teach is that when you're watching gold go up, it's not getting more valuable. It's the dollars losing purchasing power against it because it's a monetary metal. And I think that's the key to all of this is the dollar is losing its purchasing power, it's losing its reserve status More and more, it's being dumped by central banks around the world.
Speaker 5:And then you add, in this chaos which is this is from an economic standpoint, david I, and it's funny. I feel like you know one of the. You see those uh shows from the 70s or so where a kid gets caught smoking cigarettes and the the father would be like well, here's have a whole pack of cigarettes, you know so. So he gets sick or something, and I feel like that's what I wanted. Tariffs.
Speaker 5:You know, for the last 20 years I've been reading about economic nationalism. I was an outlier, I ran for Congress on this and you know I looked at all the history of it and I, you know, give talks about it and now that it's happening, it's happening in such a funhouse mirror version of what I was talking about that has nothing to do with. This isn't going to goose the economy. This isn't going to spur growth and we're certainly not setting the conditions for companies to move here. So this is an entirely different thing that we're watching and at the same time, you see, I mean gold is a little bit below $3,100 in outstay because there's profit taking. I mean it was massive gains in gold and then everything else the trillions that were wiped out from retirement plans just in the last 48 hours is absolutely stunning.
Speaker 4:That's right. Yeah, trillions gone and and you know it is um, as you said, it's a circus and the ringmaster is Jekyll and Hyde. We never know what he's going to do at any moment. And with all the stuff that's happening, the question is, with all these different disturbances not just with terrorist, but with everything else how many plates can Trump keep spinning in this uh, three ring circus to keep this stuff going, going? But it seems like there doesn't seem to be any limit to that. As soon as one of them falls off the pole, they start another one, and all the media seems to help him, both the opposition media as well as the supporting media. They help him to distract people to something else, and so a lot of people have said that they believe that Trump is deliberately trying to create a recession because he'd like to see interest rates lowered. You think that's. I mean we can only guess at his motives, but I mean that that certainly. I don't know if they'll lower the interest rates, but it certainly is looking like recession.
Speaker 5:Well, they're going to have to do something cause such a massive downturn because, again, the other economic conditions and the time frame for companies to move here and employ people and build infrastructure and make investments they didn't make those conditions possible. They're just punishing the imports and the folks that are doing business as usual. So nothing changed there, it's just this is going to throw a wrench in all of the money velocity and things that were going on, the liquidity itself, so that the Fed will be forced to do something. It'll have to lower rates. You have a 1929 situation on your hands and I think anybody can see that. That's not I don't think that's lost on the central planners the issue that we're caught in the middle of this. And if you look at the BRICS nations, they're unifying. We talked about it last time I was on the show. They're building cross-border payment systems, which I've been talking about, using gold and other commodities as stabilizing value as the dollar loses market share and meanwhile we're isolating our trade partners and people in our own hemisphere.
Speaker 5:I mean, canada is ridiculous and I know that. You know you can throw out. You know Canada has like 230 percent tariffs on dairy and things like that and agricultural stuff. But with NAFTA over the years and we've had pretty stable trade on most things, you know, without too high of tariffs or zero tariffs, so that's worked for a long time.
Speaker 5:It just doesn't make any sense what we're doing if you're looking at it from an economic standpoint. But if you're looking at it from a chaos standpoint, you want to get to a place where the crisis will call for a resetting of the financial framework. Then this is how you do it and you do it under this guise and, of course, using this, you can blame others. There's got to be some underlying strategy in here that has nothing to do with what they've been. I mean Trump's right when he talks about the era of tariffs and I talked about that for you and it ended really in 1913. That was when you get the Federal Reserve, the income tax and you get the first real free trade policies in the United States with Woodrow Wilson, and it's been absolutely destructive. He's right about that.
Speaker 4:Except he left out the Federal Reserve.
Speaker 5:He complained about the income tax, but he didn't say anything about the Federal Reserve Right.
Speaker 4:He created it there. So, yeah, because he wants to be able to have that kind of impact as Powell. As a matter of fact, he wants Powell to take his orders so that he can, he can do all that. No, I think you go back and you look at CBDC, that order that Biden had in the spring of 2022. And he wanted to.
Speaker 4:He said to all the people you know, here's four things I want you to do. One of them, one of the four they had to do the code for the crypto. They had to come up with a marketing angle. Hey, we're going to save the planet because, you know, we don't have to do any mining. We need law enforcement is going to force it on people, but the first thing was completely redesign the financial system. Trump is doing the same thing. He's just doing it in a different way and he's doing it in a more effective way because people, biden just does it by. You know, here I'm going to ban this. I'm going to force you to do this, and here's my order to do this With a lot of the stuff that Trump is doing. Yes, he's done a lot of executive orders, but a lot of the stuff that he's doing is very subtle. In the same way that he's coming up with a private digital currency, he's also coming up with a different way to completely reset the financial system for that private digital currency. I think.
Speaker 5:There's an article up on Zero Hedge. Maxine Waters was, of all people, saying Trump's going to create his own coin. It's going to be his coin that replaces the dollar, which she might not be that far off the mark. I mean that's kind of I mean she's characterizing that in, I think, a ridiculous way. But no stable coins. Another thing we've talked about that. That's kind of a Trojan horse. You can get rid of so-called CBDC, but if you use the FedNow system and the backbone that they've already built and you use something else, oh, this mirrors the dollar and it's electronic and it's blockchain. You have to watch out for all that. And we're not through the woods yet on CBDC. That's right, I didn't think so. I mean, trump said that in Nashville at the Bitcoin conference that there's never going to be a CBDC. It just won't be called that.
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Speaker 5:It'll be called something else. This is the flip side of the public-private partnerships that you get. You know, when you get a different administration as opposed to Biden, it's a different strategy, but the same result. And what bothers me is the economic crisis that will be needed they're getting. You know it's kind of like Project for a New American Century. You know it's kind of like Project for a New American Century. You know they came out in September of 2000 with Bill Kristol and others. You know that think tank. They needed a Pearl Harbor style event to usher in a rogue state rollback. And all this seven countries in five years. So you're setting the stage here for something. I think that's.
Speaker 4:You know it's going to be an economic crisis that will lay the groundwork for a lot of things if we're not careful, and I think a big part of this. You go back and look at Curtis Yarvin and these other people as I talked about last couple of days. He had war game. Here's what Trump needs to do. You know they need to completely. America needs to get over its fear of dictators and we really need a dictator, because that's the only way that we're going to get what we want. You know, and a lot of these former libertarians said, yeah, you know, we're going to have to have a dictator to get us to a state of liberty. You know, talk about cognitive dissonance there. You know how do you get rid of that guy right Once you put him in there. But you know that's what they're talking about and how Trump need to be a dictator, and so when he creates chaos, when he creates destruction, that makes a case for him being a dictator, makes a case for everything that the government wants to do. And when you look at what Maxine Waters is saying, I think she's on to something in a sense.
Speaker 4:I don't think and I talked about this as well the world liberty thing that the Trump family has set up. They're going to make about a half a trillion half a trillion, I think, it was, no half a billion they've made off of this and it is just right off the bat, but they got the potential for a lot more. I think primarily this so-called DeFi thing of world liberty. It's not decentralized, it's very centralized. It's under the control of the Trump family, but I think that they're going to use this as payola, because people can make anonymous. You know, jump into this anonymously and you know that's a great way to launder the money for what he's doing.
Speaker 4:But I think that there certainly is going to be a stable coin and, as we've talked about this before, stable coins that are dollar-based are going to be a way to handle the problems they've gotten as to who's going to buy our worthless bonds from the treasury. Well, we can have the stable coin. People buy. They don't want to have a situation where they can't sell these bonds. We can have the stable coin. People buy it. They don't want to have a situation where they can't sell these bonds. So all of this stuff, all this crypto stuff, plays perfectly into what the techno brats want and what Trump wants with making money, and all this chaos feeds into that as well. I don't know.
Speaker 5:It seems like that's what. There's a lot of open questions here. For me, something I study this every single day and you had Larry Fink, head of BlackRock, came out a few months ago. Well, not even that, it's only been like a month and a half ago. He's at Davos and he said that Bitcoin was going to $700,000. And BlackRock they get their return. It's something I said in January of 2024, when Bitcoin was trading at $30,000 or so, and I said look, blackrock's launched this ETF. It was the biggest ETF in history. They're still accumulating. There's still net inflows into those ETFs.
Speaker 5:However, gold has caught them, I think, by surprise. It's hard to say. I don't think there's a monolithic structure base here. I think there's a lot of chaos going on. I think there's a controlled demolition of the dollar going on. Somehow this is part of the game.
Speaker 5:But I think you have different factions here because, on one hand, bitcoin has not stood up to this chaos and uncertainty. It mirrors the market very much, in the sense that if the market is scared, if the market is on the run, if the market's in a sell-off, in a bearish mode, bitcoin follows. Right now it's down from. It was $86,000 and some changes $82,000 this morning and, of course, that's off of $108,000 on Inauguration Day on January 20th. So the crypto space hasn't weathered very well. Crypto space hasn't weathered very well, but gold like we talked about this before the election, gold and silver took a massive hit after Trump was selected and going into Inauguration Day, and then now it's reversed, the roles are reversed. Even with all the strategic Bitcoin reserve and all the stuff that's been deregulated on crypto and a new SEC chairman, all that stuff, everything's still down, and that's because so much of this is tied to the markets.
Speaker 5:And so this, to me, is signaling something else, and as I watch it, I'm cautious not to make predictions, because even I'm a little stumped on this. I think what we are watching is the death of the dollar. Little stumped on this, I think what we are watching is the death of the dollar. But the question mark hanging over is is this an intentional strategy to tank it? Because what you're looking at is weaker dollar, no matter what. If Powell steps in and lowers rates, you're looking at a further loss of purchasing power against gold. The world continues to dump the dollar and, of course, if it goes to something like a hyperinflation or a crash, that's where you can usher in the CBDC through public-private partnership, staple coin stuff. So it's hard to say exactly what's going on. None of this is good, to put it that way.
Speaker 4:Oh, yeah, yeah. I think it's going to go in a direction that's going to make money for Trump and his friends, and I think a lot of people are starting to see that. I think it was a real tell when you know the things that he's done with crypto first of all, the Trump coin, the Melania coin, being connected to the same company that was being investigated for what was done in Argentina and all the rest of this stuff. So that was one data point. Then, when he comes out and starts talking about the Bitcoin Reserve and he starts talking about other coins that aren't Bitcoin, that haven't been used as an asset They've been used as setting up smart contracts and used as clearing payments and things like that so people started wait a minute, what is this really about? And I think that has shaken a lot of people's confidence in what Bitcoin was truly about.
Speaker 4:And, of course, roger Ver in his book, talking about the hijacking of Bitcoin, he said hey, it was set up for transactions. Now these people have turned it into a, hijacked it and turned it into a, an appreciating asset, and it's not really clear how that's going to work out. We do know that gold is an appreciating asset and I guess maybe with Trump's actions, as well as some of this other stuff, some people are starting to have second thoughts about it, especially when you see BlackRock come in with the ETF. As we pointed out, it's one of the most ridiculous things. There's absolutely no reason to fractionalize that. It is no more liquid, no more easy to do a transaction with a Bitcoin ETF than it is a Bitcoin itself. It made no sense at all.
Speaker 5:No for people that there's a deficit there. They don't understand how to buy Bitcoin, how to hold Bitcoin. There's a huge. That's where all the money is. You know was it Babyface Nelson asked back in the 30s why do you rob banks? That's where the money is. That's where the BlackRock went to the boomers and they went to people that don't know how to set up wallets or don't want to touch Bitcoin or whatever. That's the majority of where the money is held in the United States. So that's what they went to.
Speaker 5:Unfortunately, that gives them leverage and, I think, undue influence on the Bitcoin network, so be it. I I think undue influence on the Bitcoin network, so be it. I mean Bitcoin's an open network. It's anybody can get involved. So even if you know giant bankster consortiums can do it and I thought it would push the price up. But you're right, it was meant to be something else than what it's become. It's still the only real crypto. It's the only crypto that I deal in. Not that there's anything wrong with some of the other coins, but it's only crypto that I deal in with my business and I'm look.
Speaker 5:Uh, there was a tweet that was put out the other day. Um, I was on your show and katherine austin fitz replied to me and said you know bitcoin's a scam, tony, sorry, and she may be right. Uh, I may be wrong. Um, I know that it's changed the minds of millions and millions and millions of people. I don't think it's getting them prepped for CBDC. I think a lot of younger people looked at Bitcoin and they never looked at the fiat system before, and now they're skeptical of fiat currency and central banking and everything. I think that's a good thing. You can't reverse that. The educational process of Bitcoin has been, I think, tremendous for the world, so we'll see. But definitely it has not held up, even as a store of value, against this uncertainty. It has not done that and it's not doing what a lot of the Bitcoin maximalists believe was going to happen. I don't think that's not happening anytime soon Because we're entering in you know this is a you talk about all the time fourth turning.
Speaker 5:Institutions are rolling over and now that we have the BRICS nations again, I'm going to keep saying that the BRICS, they're unifying more and more, getting stronger and stronger. We are getting weaker and our alliances are being scuttled just willy-nilly, and so there's a lot of uncertainty out there. It's definitely reflecting in the markets. I think we've only just begun to see what gold can do.
Speaker 5:David and I haven't been somebody that's doing a lot of price predictions because I've been wrong. I've actually been a little bearish. I didn't think we'd see $3,100 an ounce in the last five months. I wouldn't have predicted that. But I will say I think silver another part of this equation. Governments are quietly adding silver to their balance sheets. The Russians have done that, the Chinese, others, they're quietly adding that, I think even the United States, and I think that this is something that we have to watch silver very closely too. I think it's about to break out of its current gold-silver ratio. That's absolutely ridiculous and has no basis in history, and you remember, the all-time high of silver is $52.50, and now it's a 1980.
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Speaker 5:Vgw group void where prohibited by law 21 plus terms and conditions apply. That's since 1980, so 45 years ago. We're going to see. I think silver is going to break out soon. A lot of these commodities copper is at an all-time high, by the way, copper and gold together, these mining stocks are up. The world is lurching towards commodities and real limited assets and in a world of fiat soaked in debt and the rest with so much uncertainty, I think we're just. This is the opening salvo of the great reset.
Speaker 4:Well, you're right, and when we talk about people moving to real assets, I think a lot of people just haven't gotten the memo that we were all served in 2007, 2008,. Because there's nothing more real than real estate. Right, and look at what they were able to do with ETFs. And yet where do we see people going? Now we see people. You know part of the story this last week about the big increase in the price of gold. They said massive inflows into the gold, the paper gold, the ETF gold, right, and so massive inflow of money into paper gold. Now these are people who have just started paying attention, I think, to gold. They don't really understand what this is. The gold ETFs don't make any more sense than a Bitcoin ETF and the people don't really realize that it's not going to track the price, the spot price of gold, it's not going to go up and down with it. They don't really realize that they don't really own any gold with that and I think that's the big memo that needs to be gotten out.
Speaker 4:The Financial Times saying investors flock to gold funds as fears over the Trump Terrace Mount. Well, it's actually more like a fun house right Of mirrors, because you don't really have anything there. It's very much like all these securitized, tokenized things, and I think, by the way, you know, when we look at all this digital stuff, I think that it's this tokenization that we really got to watch out for. They want to put everything on tokens all physical, real assets, property that people own, all that. They want to tokenize everything and they come back and they say well, it makes it easier for us to trade, well, it also makes it more volatile and it also means that you can lose everything, and I think that's what these people are setting up. We already saw this happen in the Great Recession, so I think that's a big part of it that needs to get out. There is this, you know watch out for the tokenization, watch out for the securitization, watch out for these ETFs and things like that, regardless of the assets that you get into.
Speaker 5:Well, that's their way of control. Yeah, and it takes something that's real and limited and finite and you know something that has no counterparty risk, and then you give it counterparty risk. That's how you have leverage over the financial system. I think something is interesting that I've never seen before, and that is where my business did a lot of inversions in the last year. I mean, it just completely turned on its head. Now we still have the smaller purchases, have actually increased, Wolfpack and some of my subscription stuff has actually increased, but my direct sales have gone down. They've gone down to a place where it's almost alarming. I don't want to use alarming because on the flip side of that, people are selling to me Now in a market where and I talked to other dealers, I talked to the trading houses. I asked them are you seeing the same thing? They're inundated.
Speaker 4:So here's the question mark that hangs over this let me ask you this before you go for it what do you mean when we say direct sales?
Speaker 5:you're making like a large purchase, as opposed like somebody calling me and saying hey, I want 25 000 in gold and silver bullion. You know, do a 50 50 mix. Those used to do I. You know it's not uncommon for me to get 50, 100 000 that. You know. You do these larger purchases and those were frequent. We don't see those anymore. We see them, but they're not like they were in the last.
Speaker 5:I mean five, six years, david, I've been in business since 2018 and with wise wolf, and so I've seen a lot, and this has never happened before. And what's happening Is where people are selling to me because of the economic conditions. They're raising capital, prices are up. Well, the that begs the question, though, if you haven't, if the public is, is selling off, but prices continue to rise. Somebody's buying, and I'm looking at the flow and I'm asking even the larger trading people, and these are institutions. So if you're buying right now because you can afford it, you're right. I mean, you're matching the large capital. You're matching those who have intelligence, and I'm not talking about like I'm not talking about cognitive ability, I'm talking about they have intelligence and simulations that they're running all the time through these. You know think tanks and they're they're watching the trends. So if you're buying, you're you're actually mirroring what the wealthiest of the wealthy are doing.
Speaker 5:The average is selling off because, well, they might have to. Uh, based off of you know, the economic. We're in a crazy economic condition right now, with, with inflation and everything that's happened. We have a very weak dollar and, uh, liquidity is limited. So I understand that, but prices continue to rise as people continue to sell. So somebody's buying and, look, you know you mentioned earlier about the ets and institutions. All it's going to take and I think you're already starting to see it billionaires starting to buy physical gold and silver for actual delivery. It's going to change everything and we're right on the cusp of where that starts to happen. David, I think it's always been convenient for them to buy GLD or SLV or whatever. Park it in some fund. I don't think that's going to fly anymore. I think they're going to ask for physical delivery and all bets are off at that point.
Speaker 4:And you know I think that you know. This article from Financial Times says central bank buying has been the main driver of gold purchases in recent years, but the recent surge in gold ETF inflows highlights how fears over the economy and stock markets have drawn. I think that's the key. I think you've got people who have been investing in the stock market Stock market has had a really bad beginning here of this year and the Trump administration and so these are people who are typically stock traders and so they're going to look at oh yeah, I can get gold as a stock, as an ETF and they don't really understand what is there, the issues behind it, and it's an easy transaction for them. They're already working with their broker. So I just sell this stock and I buy an ETF. They aren't really thinking about that and I think that's really what is happening with it.
Speaker 4:But, as you pointed out, you've got gold bugs out there, maximalists like Max Kaiser, max the maximalist he has been a Bitcoin maximalist for a long time. Now he's out there talking about gold-backed crypto because he can't get away from the crypto mindset, right, can't get away from the tokenization mindset. I mean, it's just Max, is just gold. Don't complicate it Right and but again, even he is now seeing this as like well, maybe I ought to think about that. I know a gold crypto, so I think that's.
Speaker 4:There's kind of this mindset where people have to move. The people are owning stocks. First thing they're going to do is they're going to go to the gold ETFs. They don't really understand what that is or whatever, but they're going to do it because that's their mindset. They're working with that broker or whatever. And then I think the people who have been working with the crypto stuff Bitcoin, a lot of these maximalists like Max are going to say, well, okay, what can we do with gold in a crypto world? They're looking at it from that perspective. But I think the key thing is the fact that it is physical, that it is outside of any of these systems, the stock market system or the crypto system. To me, that's its real, ultimate strength is that it is. What makes it truly priceless is the privacy aspect of it.
Speaker 5:Well, that's true. I mean no counterparty risk. If you have physical gold and silver and you get to a certain amount, you're going to want to have it stored somewhere, and if you need to do that, give me a call. I can point you in the right direction. I don't do storage, but I definitely understand the need for it at some level. You're right about Max Keiser and others. I think there's a lot of smart people in the space right now, whether they're crypto or whether they're precious metals or kind of people like me which are both, and I think nobody has a clear picture of what's actually going on.
Speaker 4:We really don't know. Yeah, even the German government, the politicians in Germany, are worried about the gold in their vaults in the US.
Speaker 5:What's going on with it? It really is, I think, a sign of the times. It reminds me a lot of if you read the Guns of August by Barbara Tuchman. It's about the lead-up to World War I. They had so many war plans drawn up, david, both sides, the Germans and the French and the British. They all worked on the Germans especially. They had something called the Von Schlieffen plan, you know, and they're just always constantly updating their war plans at the beginning of the 20th century and of course, it kicked off finally in in, uh, the summer of of 1914, and then all those things were off the table, nothing, I mean. They had plans and plans on top of war plans and then everything failed.
Speaker 5:And I think we're all looking at this. We all know there's a tsunami of debt, we're in a sea of infinite fiat and it's debased itself. It really is truly disgusting if you look at the amount of people that are going to be wiped out. You know there's that great scene from the big short with Brad Pitt and he's talking to the two kids that figure. They've. They've stumbled upon this. You know what was going to happen in 08 with the housing crisis and and they're all proud of themselves. He said you people, you realize people are going to die.
Speaker 5:You know like this is going to affect when a certain market conditions and downturns, like there's a certain amount of deaths that follow, there's there's poverty, there's misery and the average person is going to get caught off guard. So none of us really have a clear picture, but I do know. Watching the dollar lose purchasing power against gold, watching now we're starting a currency and trade war together, watching all of this going back to our original argument is being outside the system is more important than ever.
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Speaker 5:21 plus terms and conditions apply, and that's taking control of your own destiny when it comes to, like, your work and your savings. This is all a representation of energy, and you want to have to be as far away from counterparty risk as possible. You mentioned real estate. Real estate's overpriced. We're in a giant bubble with that as well. I don't think, and this is maybe you know and who can buy the real estate?
Speaker 4:Well, no, who can buy it? Blackrock can buy the real estate. Right, that's been the plan.
Speaker 5:They just create money out of thin air and, of course, they buy it. It's all fake, it's all. It's all. It's all fake, it's all based off fake. I don't think that we're in a bubble for precious metals. I don't think that true price has been reflected in our current markets and people can say, well, tell you it's an all time high, I don't buy it. I don't think that. I think there's so much manipulation that's going on in the last 50 years, especially in the last 20. I think that we're just at the beginning of an absolute tsunami of revaluation across the board. Precious metals are just getting started and this is going to be mirroring and reflecting where we are.
Speaker 4:If you go back and you look at it. I've been talking about the writings of Curtis Yarvin, who basically is idolized by Peter Thiel. I mean, they look to this guy for ideas and they echo what he has to say. They're talking about accelerationism. They're talking about accelerating and intensifying the chaos so that they can burn everything down. They're just like the World Economic Forum. They want to destroy everything so they can build it back better. So they can build it back with themselves owning everything and in control of everything. And so this is what everybody who seems to be in power, regardless of what their political philosophy is or what they would like to build back, they all want to burn it all down right now, and that's the key thing. That's why we've got to get out of that system as much as we can, and even to the extent that everybody is starting to see how we're on the verge of a collapse.
Speaker 4:As you point out, world War I everybody was making plans because they could see the war was coming. Well, everybody's making plans. Now You've got these German politicians saying wait a minute, should we have that much of our gold in New York and in America? Maybe we should repatriate that? And everybody's kind of circling the wagons and, you know, putting up barriers to things and prepping for a storm that is coming. They all see the storm is coming and we need to do that as individuals, because these people aren't going to do anything for you. It's all for them. They're going to leave you to die.
Speaker 4:This is like the Cold War again the plan to save themselves and let everybody else die. This is continuity of government that we're talking about here and that's their attitude. They're not going to do a thing for you, and so you need to make preparations and prep and things like that, and a big part of that is going to be having something that is outside their financial system, that has value and it's going to have even more value. After all, their schemes have basically blown up the pump and dumps after they've pumped it and dumped it. You don't want to be a part of that.
Speaker 5:Yeah, when they're done with it, you can have it. That's really what we're seeing. When they're done with the markets, when they're done with it, you can have it. That's really what we're seeing. When they're done with the markets, when they're done with their schemes, you can have what's left in the crumbs at the table and you know. If you just you have to look at what history teaches us you know whether it's a fiat scheme, you know whether it's a Ponzi scheme. Whatever it is, it always comes crashing down. You know, and you look at history with, the French had this with and it's a blurb in history, but it's John Law. Have you ever read the history of that? It's. You know, mid 1700s, david the French. This is a Scotsman named John Law.
Speaker 5:He gets close to the French King and he says you know they're having some economic problems in France. He said well, look, I've got this strategy. You basically just print, you know these notes direct from the treasury and you know there was this economic boom and then he went and sold. You know the Louisiana Purchase area, you know all that stuff that the French held for a long time and he sold off shares in that and they just kept inflating the shares and there was economic prosperity for a while. A lot of people got on paper, got really rich and then, all of a sudden, you know, somebody said, well, I go to call in and turn in these notes, I need some gold. And then a few others did that and then there wasn't any gold and there wasn't anything to back up the notes that they had printed and the entire thing collapsed in on itself, like you know, like a dying star and everybody you know. There were so many people that got wiped out, like it was an absolute economic disaster. That's what happens with fiat currency. It's just that this has been on a much larger scale.
Speaker 5:You know, a lot of people look at 1971. They'll say, well, well, we've, you know, since 71, we have, um, we've lost. We've lost, certainly, if you believe, in the space race, we haven't gone back to the moon, we haven't done this or that. We have lost so much footing in the engineering aspects and other technological advances. We didn't stay on par. What happened? Well, we left exactitude, we left the gold standard or what, the semblance of any kind of fiscal sanity. You have, you know, trillions that have been printed off the books, you know, to fund the deep state and other things, and things that shouldn't exist. We live in a funhouse mirror version of what an economy is supposed to look like, and so none of that is sustainable. I think that it has a direct correlation with the fiat system, with corruption, and so we're watching this, isn't? This is going to play out? You first of all. You know we talk about tariffs. You can't fix the trade imbalances unless you fix the, the monetary imbalances. That's right.
Speaker 4:That's right, and he doesn't mention that yeah, yeah, he's not going to bring manufacturing back as long as he's got all these regulations and taxes, but he's really looking at lowering the taxes that you see while raising the taxes that you don't see. It's all just a shell game. You were talking earlier about Intel and saying it wasn't intelligence. As you talk about john law and all the rest of the stuff, remember that um isaac newton lost a lot of money and I don't know if an east india thing or tulip bulb circle thing or the tulip uh bulb thing, uh, or both of them, I don't know. But you know, here this is a guy who was no intellectual slouch. He created calculus and physics that people have used for the most part.
Speaker 4:Newtonian physics is the basis of most of the real stuff that we do, but you know he got snookered by this and so it's not about intelligence, but it's about intel and it's about looking at what the people who are manipulating the market are doing. And you're right, you need to take a look at the central banks. There's this disconnect now between what people at the retail level are doing and what the central banks are doing, and just watch the people who are going to be the manipulators. You know, trade stocks that Pelosi trades. Follow Pelosi, follow the central banks if you've got the money and of course we're getting into difficult times, but you know, if you got the money, that's what. The way you need to invest it is by following the manipulators out there.
Speaker 5:Well, that's one way to do it. You watch the, you know, follow the, follow the corruption.
Speaker 5:You follow the profit, you know follow the who, who who enriches themselves in this current system, and even they will be affected.
Speaker 5:I mean I don't think you'll be able to hide from what's coming. I mean, even like, look at, the trillions were just wiped out in an instant. Think about a lot of those people if they just, you know, six months ago, traded in those 401ks or IRAs and said I want physical gold, yeah, physical silver, yeah, and put it in a third-party vault. You know I sleep pretty good at night knowing that I put people, because, first of all, if you call me, I don't put you in like collectibles and other things. I mean we're just going to put you in the best bullion that we can. That's acceptable by IRAs. But I've looked at, you know, some of the charts and things, the deals that we've done for people, and I'm thinking I've looked at some of the charts and the deals that we've done for people and I'm thinking I've done pretty good for them. Look at the prices. I mean, if you're just going off, spot price everybody's doing okay.
Speaker 5:So if you look at gold too, at the end of the 20th century, david, it was less than $300 an ounce. About the time I was going in the army less than $300 an ounce. Juxtapose that to the stock market today. If you just started accumulating physical gold or even physical silver at the same time, and then put that against where the market is today, which one are you better off in? Are you better off being your own bank and holding without counterparty risk, or are you better off holding paper fang stocks? Well, jim kramer would tell you, give you some metrics about how it's up and blah blah. Gold is three thousand dollars an ounce, you know. Give or take. Uh, okay, it's 10 times. Yeah, so that's just physical. You didn't even have to do anything. You don't have to do a lot of analytical research, you don't have to worry about who the who's on the board you don't even have to polish it everyone.
Speaker 5:Yeah, it's not, it's not enron. You don't worry about worldcom going out, leman brothers or anything, you just hold it in your hand. And so I mean it's really, it's funny because you know, the deeper you get into the financial system, you think that these people are geniuses. You missed mentioned Isaac Newton and, and there's been a lot of smart people that go broke. I mean Thomas Jefferson, who I love, I mean I admire so much, and I he's one of my heroes. It's terrible with money.
Speaker 4:Oh, yeah, terrible.
Speaker 5:I'm not. I'm not smart like him, but I do a pretty I. I'm not smart like him, but I do a pretty good job when it comes to knowing what, like the monetary system. There's something I see in that. You know, in the way that you know I don't think he saw it that way and you know he died. Was it millions? It was like a million dollars in debt, I think at the time.
Speaker 4:Well, you know, he had the things that he loved. He didn't love money that much. He had all these books, which, in those days, collecting books is almost like collecting cars today, you know. And then when they burned down the Library of Congress, he donated his book collection to them. You know he's not looking to make a buck.
Speaker 4:You know that was one thing about the founders. They were not there, like Trump, in order to feather their nest to become multi-billionaires. They were not about that at all. And so, you know, in a sense I understand that I feel that way myself. I'm not interested in that, but I am interested in fighting tyranny, especially in my life, and so I want to make sure that I've got something that isn't going to be spying on me.
Speaker 4:You know your gold is not going to be calling into the Geospatial Intelligence Agency and telling them what I'm doing here, but your money is in every other form. Your dollar is going to be doing that. All of your stable coins are going to be doing that. You name it. Every one of these other things is going to be doing that, except for your gold. Your gold is not going to report on you. It's also not going to run away when it gets a whistle from the government to do so. You know, when you get deplatformed or they don't like your opinions, they are not going to just be able to say, yep, it's gone. You know the wave of a pen.
Speaker 4:So I think that's the key thing. That's something we haven't seen before. You know, we've always seen the situation. We've all got the tales about people seeing big economic unrest coming and you know they sell all their stocks and things like put it into gold, and then when the depression hits, they're liquid and they can buy a lot of stuff at far sell prices. Well, that's great if you see that coming and if the timing works out, because it's one thing to see it coming, it's another thing to see the timing. But this is completely different. We've never had a situation where they've tried to control every aspect of our life with a digital currency, and that's what makes this time different. Now we've seen the financial stuff and it's worked out great. But even if it didn't work out great, it would still be a wise thing to do, because we've never seen this kind of threat to our lives before like we do from the digital cash.
Speaker 5:I agree 1,000%. And the climate is being primed for that. We have to be very careful. Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. That's what we have to continue. Continue to strive to understand, uncover what's happening. I don't think people looking at this through the lens of economics, I think there's something much deeper here. Oh yeah, you know and I don't pretend to know everything when it comes to this I just, I just know that the monetary system itself is imploding and, uh, I, faster than I, I thought possible, david, I, I didn't think. I didn't think I'd see this, but we are watching and it's going to be interesting, living in interesting times, as we always say every Thursday.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it really is. Yeah, you look at all this stuff and I remember a few years ago going to a big car show in Austin and I went around interviewing people and did a report on it. And I would ask them. I said so you realize that they want to get rid of all these cars. You know they had classic cars, they had customized cars and all the rest of the stuff. And then you realize that they want to get rid of this. You think it's going to happen. Oh, yeah, it's going to happen. Uh, but it's not going to happen in my lifetime.
Speaker 4:Now you would expect that it's going to be a lot of elderly people, retired people in the 60s and 70s are saying, yeah, I think it's 20, 30 years away. But no, it was also people who were in their teens, 18, 19-year-olds. They're not going to get rid of cars in my lifetime. It's like, really Okay. And now we see that even for those of us in our 60s and 70s, it's coming in our lifetime. That's the way they've accelerated this stuff. I thought it was interesting to see how these people thought no, that's some point in the future I don't have to worry about that. But now it's on all of us, regardless of our age, what they're planning on doing with all this stuff. But tell us a little bit about I'm sure, like I said before, I'm sure you've been really, really busy there at Weisswolf. You said that it's mainly been people selling to you. Is that correct?
Speaker 5:I think that's the majority, and we've gotten some good direct sales that people that have been purchasing from us, and we always have that. And if you're doing that right now, good for you, because so is the largest capital and holders in the world when it comes to precious metals, so you're done good. Yeah, we've seen a change there and it is concerning to me because I think that a lot of people are going to miss out if they're not. You know, they think that there's going to be like a. I've had people come, I'm waiting for the downturn. I don't know, I don't, I don't, I just don't know.
Speaker 4:You have a cartoon of a skeleton covered in a spider web saying I'm waiting for the debt as the financial system is collapsing. You know.
Speaker 5:I just I think you might misunderstand if, if you're waiting for something to turn down now at this point, I think you might misunderstand the monetary system and in a complete collapse it might go to something, but then no one's selling, so I don't know. I think you know it's definitely a good time to buy. It really is.
Speaker 4:We never know what's going to happen. I mean, you know, I was kind of surprised at how much it turned down, as everybody got so enthused about Trump and his crypto stuff. But, as you and I talked about, the fundamentals had not changed and so that certainly was a buying opportunity. I talked about that. I said gold is on sale. Remember that. I love the commercial. The commercial is like it's on sale. You know, trump euphoria has put gold on sale and now people are starting to have some buyers regret when they look at what's happening with Trump and what's happening with the economy, and so that's the reality. The fundamentals didn't change. There was a lot of hopium that was, uh, being snorted by people for a while there and, uh, they're starting to have the. This is like the morning after. You know they got the hang of the trump hangover. I guess it's starting to kick in, well as, uh, anything else you want to tell us about? What's going on at wise wolf?
Speaker 5:well, we've, uh, continued. The membership program is is doing great and we added Sigma wolf, which is the $750 level and I I made some changes in there, starting at that level. It's seven, 50, which you can make one time. But all the the stuff on wolf pack, you go to David nightgold, if you go and hit that tab says join with pack. If you go and hit that tab that says Join Wolfpack, all of those you can do one time. Or you can do subscriptions and we don't make it hard on you to get in and out of that. If you want to stop the subscription, we don't, it's easy.
Speaker 5:My team is, like just ready to pounce on an email. We don't. You know, let you languish or give you $5,000, you know, are you sure you want to? We're just like silver or mix, so we can give all gold, all silver or mix and then you know we'll fill it in the order you know, based off of whatever we buy, whatever we're getting in that week. So that's something that I added to be a little bit more competitive, because it was it jumped from 500 to a thousand. So those are some ways, like you know, just doing a one-time purchase through Wolfpack, if you can, even if you don't want to set up on it. That's a good way, because on those invoices, I squeeze every bit of value I can out of those, so that's a good way to do it.
Speaker 5:I know not everybody has. We did something that the other companies just don't do. I mean, we care about regular folks. Not everybody has tens of thousands of dollars to buy precious metals, but you can go ahead and I mean, if you're stacking precious metals right now, you're being smart. I mean because, again, the dollar is not going to hold up against whatever all of this is happening right now. It's not going to do better. The dollar is not going to be stronger two years from now. Um, against commodities. It's just not. Yeah, so, um, something to look for there.
Speaker 5:And I and I would add to that uh, you know we do, uh, broker bitcoin. That's fully operational now. So you want to buy bitcoin? Just let us know and we can set you up with a wallet, do all that. It's a white glove service. So, uh, we're doing that myself, and my brother is helping me. We've been in the space since 2016. And we take Bitcoin as cash. We don't charge fees. You want to buy precious metals from us, let us know. You can do it on the Wolfpack side or you can go direct with me.
Speaker 4:We should get in contact with Max Kaiser. If you want to get rid of your Bitcoin, you can switch it over into gold. You don't have to worry about somebody coming up with a crypto gold. You can do it right now at Tony's. That's a key thing and I think it's key, as you pointed out. You've got that larger level. Maybe somebody doesn't have $750 a month that they want to put into it, but if they want to do one-time purchase of $750, it's a great way to go.
Speaker 5:As you point out, gold, silver or mix, you know we got 50 bucks a month. I mean and that's the majority of our members I mean, there's a lone wolf. That's the majority. But we've got everything in between. So just if you want to hit it one time, you can do that. You can use Bitcoin. I'm trying to make it as easy as possible to get in and out of the fiat system.
Speaker 4:That's great and what I like about it I've said this as well. You know, when I was talking about the ETFs, I had somebody with a question saying you know, so what should I do? I don't have a lot of money to put in. It's like well, you know, you can get $50. You can do it one time even, you know, at Tony's. And what I like about it is that you see that you can get physical gold in a fraction of an ounce gold and a fraction of an ounce, and there's a lot of ways that it can go out there. And the chiclet things and the gold paper notes that have the gold, physical gold embedded into them and are woven in I forget what that's called.
Speaker 9:Goldbacks yeah.
Speaker 4:So you get goldbacks, you can get chiclet break off, stuff like that, so a lot of different ways that you can buy gold and you know, in a small dollar amount, and so there's a lot of different opportunities there. And that's one of the things I like about Wolfpack it introduced me to some of those ingenious ways of subdividing physical gold. So I really like what you do, tony. I've worked with Tony for a very long time and I've been very happy with what he has done for us and with us. So again, davideye Gold will take you to Tony at Wise Wolf Gold. He's got a lot of ways to help you prep to get out of the system, because the system is coming after you. That's really what's happening. Thank you so much, tony.
Speaker 4:Oh you got one more thing you got a program following today after my program. Is that correct?
Speaker 5:Yeah, come find me on. I'll be on Rumble on the America Unplugged channel and on my ex Tony Arterburn. We'll be live there for the Arterburn radio transmission. It's an hour and we're going to be live. We'll continue this conversation over there too. Good, that'll be great.
Speaker 4:All right. Well, thank you, tony, and thank you for joining us and thank you for your support. So what'd you do this weekend?
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