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Can a polyamorous relationship find acceptance in the church? Join us as we uncover the growing presence of polyamory within religious communities. We unravel the dynamics and complexities of non-monogamous relationships, exploring why some individuals seek validation and a place within the church despite traditional biblical teachings. Together, we tackle the challenging theological implications and the shifting societal norms that influence these discussions.

Pope Francis’ recent comments in Singapore have stirred a significant conversation about interfaith dialogue and the paths to God. We analyze his remarks and delve into how they align or conflict with the core Christian doctrine of salvation through Jesus Christ. Our discussion extends to resuscitation ethics with a moving story of an 81-year-old Christian woman whose DNR order was disregarded. This raises profound questions about personal autonomy, medical ethics, and the importance of staying rooted in the gospel amidst social and cultural challenges.

The contentious topics of Do Not Resuscitate (DNR) orders and abortion pill reversal take center stage as we explore real-life cases and ethical dilemmas. We scrutinize the broader cultural values that shape these debates, highlighting the complexities and moral questions they entail. By dissecting the opposition to abortion pill reversal and the impact of medical advancements on end-of-life decisions, we offer valuable insights for navigating these critical issues from a Christian perspective. Don't miss our deep dive into these pressing matters and the encouragement to engage thoughtfully with the challenges they present to our faith and daily lives.

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Jeff Samelson:

on today's good. We don't want to downplay that at all, but we don't want to get to the point where we start thinking that that political thing kind of substitutes for actual truth, for actual doctrinal, spiritual things that really are important.

Paul Snamiska:

Welcome to the Life Challenges podcast from Christian Life Resources. People today face many opportunities and struggles when it comes to issues of life and death, marriage and family, health and science. We're here to bring a fresh biblical perspective to these issues and more. Join us now for Life Challenges.

Christa Potratz:

Hi and welcome back. I'm Krista Potratz, and I'm here today with pastors Bob Fleischman and Jeff Samuelson, and today we'd like to take a look at some of our current events for the month of October. We are recording this episode in September, so there might be some new ones and, if there's any good ones, next month too. We do these episodes every month, so we're always looking for current events and different things to talk about, but this month we're going to talk about a variety of topics, and we wanted to start with one article that Jeff had found on polyamory, and I think it's specifically it's polyamorous, looking for their place in the church, and yeah. So, jeff, do you want to kind of fill us in a little bit on what that article was talking about?

Jeff Samelson:

Well, the article is I mean, it tips its hands a little bit just already in the title of the article polyamorous look for their place in church as the practice loses its taboo and taboo generally, as that word is used implies there's a certain kind of irrationality to it. It's like, oh well, there's a taboo against that, but it usually means there's no real reason for it. And pretty much all of the people that are profiled in this article and they profile a number of different, I'll call them families it's all a positive thing. They're allowed to speak their reasons for why it's all right. And there are a few people that they quote who are toward the end that I say, well, this is why this is problematic. But those aren't, shall we say, the theologically conservative Bible scholars that they are quoting there who would be able to say, okay, well, the reason we're against polyamory is because it's against God's will, because it's against God's design and everything But-.

Christa Potratz:

Beth Dombkowski. Jeff, can you just give us a little explanation as to what polyamory is, or general definition?

Jeff Samelson:

yeah, it's, um, it's a a deliberate non-monogamous arrangement, uh, where where three or more people live in a relationship, maybe two of them are married to each other, and a third partner of some sort is added in. Polyamory would include polygamy and polyandry, which most people not a term most people are familiar with, but that's one woman having multiple husbands. But right now, at least in the US and most Western nations, there really isn't an option for marriage to all of these different partners, because most countries still have laws that you can only have one spouse. But poly means many, like a polygon having many sides. The amory basically means loving. You know, so it's, it's many loving.

Jeff Samelson:

There's more mutuality than traditional polygamy, because in traditional polygamy it would be one man has a relationship with each of his individual wives. They don't necessarily have a relationship with each other. With polyamory, the idea is that they're all in a relationship of some kind together and everybody is choosing to do this. It's a conscious kind of thing, they say. That makes it better. Of course, morally and ethically it does not make any difference that it is all chosen.

Christa Potratz:

Well, and the interesting thing specifically too, is the polyamorous looking for their place in the church. Why would somebody in that lifestyle want a place in the church? What is their, maybe kind of appeal to being part of the Christian body?

Jeff Samelson:

Well, everybody wants to have their cake and eat it too. If you have a value that says, well, I'd like to be in the church, I'd like to feel that I have God's approval and everything. But you also have this thing that you want to do that you probably know is not God's way. You want to basically be able to say, well, god is okay with this, and one of the reasons you want to be part of the church is because your voice alone only assures you of so much. But if everybody else in the church is saying, hey, yeah, you go, that's great, you know, we're behind you 100%. Well then that takes away some of the sting, some of the guilt, some of the misgivings you might have about whether or not this thing is actually okay.

Bob Fleischmann:

The other thing, too, is this is what the Apostle Paul was talking to Timothy about People will gather around themselves a great number of teachers who will tell them what their itching ears want to hear. You know, I've encountered a variety of different kinds of living arrangements coming to me asking if I, because I'm a pastor who's head of an organization, they view me sometimes like a freelance, like we could use him, he could do our wedding. And I always say well, hunt around, you'll find a church that'll do what you want to do. Because when I read this and it said loses its taboo, it's losing its taboo in the church, I can say, well, certainly not my congregation where I attend and our church body, but I can see it being wide open, accepted in. Some Part of this is we have a tendency to like God when he agrees with us, to not like him when he doesn't agree. So God is love. Why would you be against a relationship of just mutual, communal love? And that's oftentimes how they approach it. They're not going to do a TV show on this kind of a relationship where it's all falling apart. That would be a sitcom. What they'll do is it's always going to be loving, and then why would you be against it do? Is it's always going to be loving, and then why would you be against it?

Bob Fleischmann:

I've read a variety of conservative articles. You know I've been critical of it. A lot of them tend to point out things like well, you know, this could be a problem. This could be a problem with identification for the children and who the parents are. This could be a problem down the road, and there are a lot of social, human excuses why it could be a problem.

Bob Fleischmann:

I think Jeff touched on it when he said or maybe the problem is that God objects. When you are subservient to God, you recognize that, yeah, his ways are not my ways. He actually might know better. And if I don't see it, that doesn't mean there's something wrong with God. Chances are pretty good there's something wrong with me, and that's what I think a lot of these people who advocate these alternative lifestyle things are banking on. You know, we'll just hunt around. We'll find a church that doesn't think that way. They think that you know God wants you to be happy and if this will make you happy, then you're fine. And yet they can't find any part of Scripture that would support that, unless you cut and paste, like Thomas Jefferson did.

Christa Potratz:

I think I've heard arguments too like oh, we weren't made to be monogamous or just different things from groups of people, and stuff too. But the Bible really does outline what marriage is, you know. I don't know if there's any more to say to that, like with what Scripture says.

Bob Fleischmann:

but Well, I would point out kind of along what you said. It's kind of like the argument for homosexuality I'm not attracted to the opposite sex, I'm attracted to the same sex. I'm not going to debate that. I'm presuming you're not lying to me, so I'm presuming it's true. You have to accept the fact that a higher power, god, has determined that there are just certain relationships that are acceptable, certain relationships that are not, regardless of how loving and how caring they can be. And I've never doubted that. The peculiar marriage relationships, sexual relationships, friendships that I've dealt with with people over the years, I think every one of them were genuine in expressing their feelings for each other. It just was predicated on all the wrong stuff.

Jeff Samelson:

Yeah, it's an interesting thing about this is yeah, there are lots of interesting things about it. That's why we're talking about it.

Christa Potratz:

It's fascinating. I mean, it really is.

Jeff Samelson:

Back in 2015, when the Supreme Court basically legalized same-sex marriage. Prior to that, and then again, after the decision was made, all sorts of people on, I'll just say, the politically conservative and theologically conservative side were saying this is not good, because if you open the door to this, all sorts of other things are going to follow. And the defenders, or the people who were promoting same-sex marriage were saying, oh, that's just the slippery slope fallacy. You're arguing that things are going to follow that won't necessarily follow.

Jeff Samelson:

And the thing is, in the nine years since then, most all of the things that were called a slippery slope fallacy have proven to be true and this is an example of it that once you open the door for that kind of relationship and say, hey, this has the sanction of law, that means it's good. Right that people start saying very quickly oh well, if that's okay, then what about this? And this was one of the specific things that people said. Well, you know, now the polyamorists are going to feel that they're completely justified and you know, first they're going to ask for acceptance and then they're going to ask for some kind of legal recognition and then, after that, they're going to want some kind of special treatment for it too, and that's going to be coming and it's certainly happening. This article shows already in the church.

Bob Fleischmann:

And for those of you who want to see a kind of a prophetic document pointing to all this, go onto the internet. Look up Humanist Manifesto 2. It was released in 1973 and it's incredible how prophetically it talks about all of these unfolding. One thing leading to another starts to occur. That's my plug for you to do more research.

Christa Potratz:

All right, well, moving along here, another article that we wanted to bring to attention is that Pope Francis made some comments in Singapore recently that all religions are paths to God, and we just wanted to bring up the Catholic Church and everything too, and talk a little bit about this, because, you know, a lot of times we hear that Catholics especially are very strong defenders of a lot of the life issues in our culture too, but there are some key differences with us as well.

Jeff Samelson:

If we approach things, questions about these kinds of things, from the perspective of okay, well, who's for the same things we're for and against the same things we're against. Very often we're going to find, if we're looking at the public sphere, we're going to find the Roman Catholics on our side. They're pro-life in terms of being against abortion and euthanasia and things like that. They're pro-family and pro-marriage for supporting the traditional biblical standards for these things. And there can be a danger that when we see these people that are all on our side on all these things, we start kind of neglecting to recognize the more serious issues that are beneath that and we start thinking, well, this person's my brother, this person's my sister, because we're fighting together, side by side, for the same things, and that's good, we don't want to downplay that at all. And that's good. We don't want to downplay that at all. But we don't want to get to the point where we start thinking that that political thing kind of substitutes for actual truth, for actual doctrinal, spiritual things that really are important about this. Already Now, pope Francis, when he was in Singapore my second favorite country in the world he was speaking to this youth gathering and he made some comments there's only one God and each of us has a language to arrive at God. Some are Sikh, muslim, hindu, Christian, and they are different paths to God. He also said since God is God for all, then we are all children of God. And let's see, there was another one. But he made more than one comment to that effect. This is not the first time he has said something like this and it's not the first time something like this has been said by a pope, but it's rather direct and right out there and it's recent.

Jeff Samelson:

And we're by no means saying that every Roman Catholic out there agrees with this. You know, believes this. But when the leader of the church and a church body that makes adhering to what the leader says a prime matter of faith, then you've got to realize that okay. Well, this is wrong, because Jesus said I am the way, the truth and the life. Jesus said I am the way, the truth and the life.

Jeff Samelson:

No one comes to the Father except through me and many other places in Scripture where it's clear there is only one path to God, only one way to heaven. This is actually a really important issue and we don't want to lose sight of that. We don't want to get so busy fighting our social and cultural wars that we lose sight of this issue, because that means that any Roman Catholics that we might be fighting alongside who believe this are believing something false which may put their own salvation in jeopardy, and at the very least, it's going to mean they're not thinking about how can I share the gospel with these people that we're trying to reach out to on these issues. They're only going to be thinking in terms of the political or social gain that they're after, because they don't think that that other person is necessarily in danger of their soul.

Bob Fleischmann:

They don't think that that other person is necessarily in danger of their soul. This is not the first time Pope Francis has said things that have left a lot of Roman Catholics scratching their head. It's almost like a cheap game for me to watch what the social commentators conservative Roman Catholic social commentators will say about trying to explain this away Like well, he's getting up there. In years it was a broader context and, of course, no matter what explanation they use, there's a lot of them that just say well, this discipline isn't right, and I think in here there's a warning for us. The warning, first of all, is this that everybody loves a shortcut. So if we could just say well, whatever the Pope says, that must be it. That everybody loves a shortcut. So if we could just say you know well, whatever the Pope says, that must be it. It's a shortcut that somehow it relieves you of having to search the scriptures to investigate God's Word, and you got to be careful because you can't put your trust in people. Most common question we get at CLR is what is our position or our church body's position on? And you fill in the blank. Nobody wants to do the work, nobody wants to see, and those of you who've read articles I've written. I usually just pound them full of Bible references because I want you to show that if we're going to give guidance, there's a biblical reason behind it. I can identify what Pope Francis is trying to say. Biblical reason behind it. I can identify what Pope Francis is trying to say.

Bob Fleischmann:

I remember the first stupid thing I said on an evangelism call when I was in high school. I got looped onto an evangelism team when I was a senior in high school. I didn't know what to do. We ended up calling on a teacher one of my high school teachers, and it was. He was married to a Roman Catholic and he was not going to church. And I, you know, and I just made the flippant remark that, well, you know, we're all the same, it's just important for you to go to church. I remember that the partner that went out with me wanted to pound lumps on my head.

Bob Fleischmann:

And I'm embarrassed to even recall the story, but there is something inside of us that all wants to kind of kumbaya the moment. We all want to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony, all that kind of stuff. But the reality is God is a jealous God. He doesn't go for anything that seeks to compete with him. And I don't know what documents the Pope was reading. But the God of the Muslims is not the same God that leads to Christ sacrificing himself on the cross. He's just not. He can't find it anywhere. It's just disturbing. But I think everybody should take it as a warning. Search the scriptures for yourself, everybody should take it as a warning.

Christa Potratz:

Search the scriptures for yourself. Yeah, I think this is really a great reminder too, because when you're out there, like in the world and stuff too, sometimes, like with some of these issues, you do kind of feel like oh, like maybe just so alone or on the opposite side of culture, and so when you can find an ally in someone, I mean that's really awesome. And but just, I just think this is such a great, great point to remember what our true focus is as Christians. I mean, it isn't like you said you know, we kind of sometimes maybe get caught up on these issues as being the real focus. Really, it's about sharing the gospel and about Well moving along to an article that Bob has suggested here. There was an 81-year-old Christian woman who, I believe, had a DNR in place and it was ignored and she was brought back to life. And Bob, do you want to kind of explain a little bit what happened with that?

Bob Fleischmann:

The story of an 81-year-old Christian who's made her wishes that you know. I believe that if I have a major organ failure that I don't want to be resuscitated because there's no reasonable expectation that I would survive, I would view it as God calling me Okay, and we get that. And then what happens? It didn't happen. She had a problem, she was resuscitated, and it's not common, but it happens. It does happen and that's why a lot of people have gone to tattooing you know DNR orders onto their chest or onto their wrist or things like that. People will wear a DNR necklace or bracelet just to communicate that, that you know, when the time comes, I'm ready to go. I've heard of it other times and it sometimes leads to what's called wrongful life lawsuits. I was supposed to die and you didn't let me. But I think that's more of a testimony to the way we kind of like suing people, the sue-happy culture.

Christa Potratz:

Yeah, litigiousness, I was going to say that word but I knew I couldn't get it out right.

Bob Fleischmann:

But you know, it does happen, you know, and it's important for people to communicate. Now, you know, maybe the more fundamental question here is so, was she wrong, you know, was she wrong to have a DNR order only to have her resuscitated and survive? And I don't think she was wrong.

Christa Potratz:

I think you know, I seem to remember you saying, in just other circumstances too, like God always gets his way, and so I think you know I mean God probably wanted her to live is maybe the way that I would interpret that specific situation and you have to accept that that just happens sometimes.

Jeff Samelson:

I found interesting in reading the article.

Jeff Samelson:

It said that she had had a do not resuscitate, dnr and do not intubate orders on file for decades, so when she was still in her forties, fifties or something like that, which suggests to me that this was not one of those situations, or at least not originally one of those situations where her body was racked with cancer and she had just decided that you should be expended here.

Jeff Samelson:

It's just not worth it that she just had this. She was dead set against the idea of anything interfering with her dying and going to Jesus. And because she did mention somewhere in there that she had kind of a religious motivation for this point of view, and the other thing that somewhere in there that she had kind of a religious motivation for this point of view, and the other thing that struck me is that she also had a do not intubate order on there, which is not, you know, the invasive, extraordinary kind of thing that restarting somebody's heart is, and, as her example actually showed, she got intubated for a few days or however long it was, and then she was fine after that, which preserving life is also a Christian value that we have. And so she's got some confused thinking there, at least as is reported in the article. But then again there is that bigger issue that is raised by this what happens when the doctors ignore or are ignorant of your DNR orders? What happens when you wake up alive and you didn't expect to?

Bob Fleischmann:

It's interesting how this issue has changed just in the time that I've been with CLR. I mean I came on board full-time in 88, and since that time we've become so advanced technologically in terms of communication, master hospital records you can look up your hospital records on your phone, those kinds of things. In the old days it was not uncommon for the right hand and the left hand not to know the same thing. You may have told your children that you know, I don't want to be resuscitated, but you forgot to tell your oldest child because they weren't home yet. And then all of a sudden something happened and so the oldest oh no, resuscitate and everything. I mean there's almost no excuse for it. Now, where this does happen, I have a stepson who used to work on an ambulance and there would be stories in the ambulance where you have to resuscitate someone and you're not aware of a DNR or something like that. They try to find that out, but there's still going to be holes in the system. It's not a perfect world, but here it just was an interesting story about her wanting, and I picked up too on, jeff, when you noted that she had this for many years.

Bob Fleischmann:

On occasion you encounter those people. People will say you know, oh, I'm having trouble walking around. Well, here, get a cortisone shot in your knee. Wow, it feels great. I should have done this a long time ago. You get people like that, but at the same time, it has to always be up to their standard and so forth. So sometimes I think, if we ever go back to another DNR-type podcast, we could do more talking about the kind of reasonings people use and what's valid and not, and our role is not to tell you this is the right and this is the wrong. My goal is probably to get you to think about it a little bit more.

Jeff Samelson:

Yeah, and I'd say that's one of the big things that an article like this, if you read it should inspire is do more preparation, do more research. Don't just assume things. There were a lot of assumptions that were made or revealed by this article. Don't assume you know everything there is to know about this. Don't assume that you've covered all that the Bible has to say about all these things death type of things and just Christians in general. Read more, study more and talk more about them to help make sure that the people around you also are aware of these. You know, because you don't want to let the culture's values take over the church. It's happening in so many ways in so many places. Don't let those cultural values of life worth living or not, you know seep into the people of the church.

Bob Fleischmann:

And stay current on the technology. So many people like this, like when she had mentioned that it was for decades, she had something like this If you recall, decades ago the mentality was that at all costs we're going to keep them alive. You know, if you die, it was a failure on the doctor, you know, and nobody wanted that to happen and a lot of people were. That's how living wills kind of got their impetus was. Nobody wanted to do that. So, you know, an organization called the Society for the Right to Die was formed. That began, you know, disseminating living wills so people could do that.

Bob Fleischmann:

Well, there's a that four or five decades ago, a lot has happened in there and a lot of technology. I think when I went into surgery they had my heart repaired back in 2005. If you would have talked about that surgery in 1975, chances are you would have just died. You would have been in the hospital for seven to ten days. I was in the hospital for 24 hours. Everything has changed so much and what was risky, what was burdensome and so forth is not nearly like that today.

Christa Potratz:

Well, the final article we want to touch on today is federal courts protect a woman's right to safely reverse chemical abortions. Bob, would you like to tell us a little bit about that? Okay, just remember politics.

Bob Fleischmann:

You know the reversal pill is a political hot potato. It's a pill regimen that you can take that actually will reverse. If you took the abortion pill so that it would reverse the changes that would occur in your body, that would cause you to have a chemical abortion, and abortion rights advocates vehemently fight against it. You know they've called it fake science or fake medicine and they've done everything to badmouth it. And the problem is that it actually works. The process works, but it's a political issue, you know, because if you give ground on it it's like giving credence, you know, to the other argument and that's kind of what's going on. So when it went to a court and it got a hearing favorable for pro-life people, it becomes newsworthy only if you can read the fine print in the newspaper, because pro-abortion and liberal-leaning newspapers don't make big deals out of this.

Jeff Samelson:

Yeah, it's. You know Bob's calling it political. But some of why the pro-abortion side is going to be so vehemently against this is simple animosity. Some of it is post-Dobbs decision lashing out, because that was something that went the pro-life way. We got to make noise about everything, father, but putting a finer point on it, this was something positive for the pro-life side. This was something positive for the pro-life side. They got a win and they want the public to—and the procedure itself. The reversal of the abortion pill is something that is positive on the pro-life side. The pro-abortion side wants only negative things associated with the pro-life side in the public mind and so they don't want this, you know, allowed and they don't want it publicized in any way.

Bob Fleischmann:

Well, part of it too, is the argument is it keeps forcing the idea that the public is against this. You know, sane people are against this and that kind of, and that's what it is. It's a very much of a big PR marketing game. I always remember reading Bernard Nathanson's book Aborting America, and Nathanson, who ran an abortion clinic and then became pro-life, talked about how in the early years, in the 70s, early 70s the steps that they went to to promote this. I remember him saying that we were told we hired a marketing firm and they said no one's going to buy the idea of abortion, You've got to make it a reproductive choice. And that's kind of where my Body, my Choice, came out of. It was a marketing thing for $5,000 paid to a marketing firm and of course they got a lot of miles for that 5,000 in that.

Christa Potratz:

I think that's the part that just almost like baffles me a little bit too. Is that okay, you know, really made their strong position on this choice aspect that a woman has? So I just I guess I kind of wonder okay, so if a woman chooses to have an abortion, goes through with the first round of the pills for the, the first pill for the chemical abortion and then decides, oh wait, I mean I don't know if I really want to do this, isn't that her choice? And she chooses to reverse, like why are we not supporting that? Like she's made a choice now that she doesn't want to do this, so why can't we all kind of get behind that choice then that she has made? I just don't understand that part of it.

Jeff Samelson:

Yeah well, abortion pill reversal very inconveniently exposes the lies of the pro-abortion side, and with that one in particular, it's the idea that any woman would ever have regrets or second thoughts about abortion is something that's very inconvenient to their arguments in favor of abortion. And so the idea that a woman would go for this abortion pill reversal and it would work, that's not good for their arguments because it makes them look. It points out the shall we use the word hypocrisy.

Jeff Samelson:

I don't know and there are a bunch of other lies that this exposes the idea that chemical abortion is simple and painless and straightforward, which it's not.

Jeff Samelson:

But that's the way it is sold.

Jeff Samelson:

The way it is sold and um, in the process of explaining the abortion pill reversal procedure and everything like that, all that information comes out, because if somebody were curious and say, okay, well, how's this, how's this work, you know this thing that you know well, the information would get out there.

Jeff Samelson:

They don't want that information out there. Also, the fact that this is a successful procedure, you know, exposes the the lie that all the people with medical knowledge and expertise, all the smart, intelligent people who care about women, they're all on our side in favor of abortion. And well, the fact that a medical doctor figured this out and medical doctors are performing this procedure and it's working, shows that that's not true either. And you know I think it also just you know exposes the lie that there's a, that there's no hidden agenda behind what, what the pro-abortion people are doing. If this were really just about choice, if this were really just about caring about people, about helping people plan their parenthood, they'd be in favor of this Because, wow, this is another option that's out there. Isn't this wonderful? We can help, but they're not, and this is an inconvenient exposition of their lies.

Bob Fleischmann:

And I want to pick up on that point. You know, early on, when we were talking about headlines in the news, Jeff had made the comment about polyamorous and how it kind of leads from one thing to another thing, to another thing greater entitlements, more higher expectations. That has always been either the stated or unstated agenda of postmodernism and so forth. You know, at some point we're asking you to be accepting of this In 1974, when they were arguing for a human life amendment for the House of Representatives, if you read those transcripts, there were those who advocated abortion, who said, well, of course, if it were a life, we wouldn't be arguing this way. Of course it was a life. They knew it was a life. They always knew it was a life because there's a bigger agenda here.

Bob Fleischmann:

And now you see that if you take steps that you want to make a choice to protect the life or something like that, the crime you're committing is you're not thinking like them. They become a thought police in a sense. You have to be one of us, and if you are not one of us, you must be against us. And if you don't think that that's the case, then you're not paying attention to gender issues today because the thought police have reigned supreme there. You so much as suggest anything remotely wrong with what's happening in the area of gender, remotely wrong with what's happening in the area of gender. There's a question is it under a hate crime? Is it a hate crime? And that's kind of what's going on here. They're pro-choice as long as your choice is consistent with their choice. The moment you have a contrary choice, there's something wrong with you, and then they're going to feel the need to protect you from you, and that's how it works.

Christa Potratz:

Well, thank you both for this discussion. We were able to make it through four articles today, so that's wonderful, and we just encourage all of our listeners too. If you're able to, or if you see anything this next month that you'd like us to talk about, please send it in to us. You can reach us at lifechallengesus, and we look forward to having you back next time. Thanks a lot, bye.

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