The Life Challenges Podcast
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What’s Trending? Tiny Pacemakers, Marijuana Use and Fertility, Longevity Clinics, and Ancient Altars
Tiny pacemakers the size of a rice grain are revolutionizing care for premature infants with heart rhythm issues. These remarkable devices, which dissolve naturally after about a week, eliminate the need for risky removal surgery and represent a fascinating frontier in medical technology. Though currently benefiting a small number of children globally, the underlying innovations promise broader applications across healthcare.
Meanwhile, scientific research continues confirming the harmful effects of recreational marijuana on male fertility. THC significantly alters sperm morphology, potentially dropping viability below the threshold needed for reproduction. This raises challenging questions about why societies continue legalizing substances despite mounting evidence of health risks, and connects to broader concerns about declining fertility rates worldwide.
The growing trend of "longevity clinics" charging thousands monthly for anti-aging treatments and "peak performance" optimization highlights our culture's obsession with extending earthly life. These luxury wellness centers cater to wealthy clients seeking to maximize their years, yet they prompt deeper reflection on what truly matters. As we discuss these clinics, we explore the contrast between pursuing a longer physical existence versus embracing an eternal perspective that transforms how we view our time on earth.
Perhaps most thought-provoking is our examination of an ancient sacrificial altar discovered in Guatemala, where archaeologists found remains of young children. This archaeological finding opens a window into historical practices that modern observers find horrifying, yet some academics contextualize these atrocities through cultural relativism rather than moral clarity. We consider parallels between ancient sacrificial systems and contemporary attitudes toward vulnerable populations, reflecting on which lives our society deems "expendable" and why Christianity offers a unique perspective on sacrifice that upends these cultural patterns.
What do our technological pursuits, medical breakthroughs, and archaeological discoveries reveal about our deepest values? Join us for this wide-ranging conversation that challenges listeners to consider how we define human worth across time, technology, and culture.
SHOW NOTES:
- The Tiniest Pacemaker: The pacemaker is the size of a grain of rice and can be inserted with a syringe. It is activated by pulses of light placed on the surface of the chest over the pacemaker. It is designed for temporary use and dissolves away when no longer needed. (Source: https://tinyurl.com/26z4fwvl accessed 4-3-25)
- Marijuana Use Harmful to Male Fertility: The morphology (shape) of sperm directly relates to its effectiveness in fertilizing an egg. According to the World Health Organization, having as little as 4% of sperm with normal morphology is considered sufficient for fertility under strict criteria. A typical non-smoking male has a 7% normal morphology sperm, with 52% of the sperm being immobile. A cigarette smoker (at least one pack/day for ten years) has 5% normal morphology sperm with 59% of it being immobile. A marijuana smoker (four joints/week for three years) had a 2% sperm that had normal morphology, and 69% of it was immobile. Male infertility in the United States has risen from about 6-7% to 11.4% over the past 50 years. While many factors are believed to cause this drop in fertility, the message is clear that smoking marijuana (and cigarettes, for that matter) has a negative effect on male fertility. (Source: https://tinyurl.com/2yabucla accessed 4-4-25)
- Longevity Clinics: It’s a booming industry with an estimated 800 clinics scattered across the U.S. Paying more than $3,000/month, members undergo a barrage of testing to identify problems and counsel on lif
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Bob Fleischmann:Yeah Well, and it's interesting. I've always been fascinated by there's kind of this ingrained desire to appease a superior being, and one thing that makes Christianity the most unique out of all religions is there's just that flat-out conclusion there's no way you're going to do it, you can't do it. You cannot offer enough child sacrifices. You cannot offer enough adult sacrifices. You cannot offer enough food offerings. No matter what you do, it's never going to be enough. So God said I'll do it, and he did it with his son.
Paul Snamiska:Welcome to the Life Challenges podcast from Christian Life Resources. People today face many opportunities and struggles when it comes to issues of life and death, marriage and family, health and science. We're here to bring a fresh biblical perspective to these issues and more. Join us now for Life Challenges.
Christa Potratz:Hi and welcome back. I'm Krista Potratz and I'm here today with Pastors Bob Fleischman and Jeff Samuelson, and we welcome all of our listeners to the month of May, and today we are going to be starting off with our current event episode for the month here. So we have a few different things we want to talk about, and the first that we'll start with is the tiniest pacemaker. Bob, can you tell us a little bit about this tiny pacemaker that was developed?
Bob Fleischmann:Well, what they did is there's a problem and it's a small number. Between 50 and 100 children a year around the world have to go on to a pacemaker for about seven days. The problem is it was always very dangerous because the wires and all that stuff. So they developed the pacemaker about the size of a grain of rice and they were able to implant that and then they would activate it by shining light over the chest area. When I first saw the story I think this was developed on a Northwestern university it was a flashback for me from about maybe 25, 30 years ago. They were going to develop all sorts of different treatments in which they would implant nanobots or things like that into the body and then activate and deactivate them by flashing light that would be flashed through the body, through the body.
Bob Fleischmann:One of the questions that kind of came to my mind when I dug deep on this article was you know, first of all, how many children are really going to be affected by this? And it did say that really only worldwide. About 50 to 100 a year, and of course, you're going well, there are millions of children that require different surgical things. You know only 50 to 100. Is this the best place to put the resources Well you know only 50 to 100 is was this the best place to put the resources Well? Unless one of those 50 to 100 children is your child, like so many other things, the technology that was used to do this and it's able to keep going. There's a process they use to keep it going because you don't have a big battery hooked up to it or anything, but you know a lot of the science behind it. I think will be valuable in other areas of medicine. So I found it to be a remarkably fascinating story of just how they can do some of this.
Jeff Samelson:And one of the fascinating things about this one in particular is that when it's no longer needed, it just dissolves away.
Christa Potratz:Yeah, I know, yeah, and that was the thing, too, was that these little tiny babies don't have to have another surgery to remove it. It just dissolves away. Yeah, I know, yeah, and that was the thing too was that these little tiny babies don't have to have another surgery to remove it.
Bob Fleischmann:Well, and that was kind of the big push behind the whole story was that it removed so many of the hazardous intersections in care for somebody that size that's already got some challenges. They're almost all preemies, but the challenges are you know, you've got a heart defect, you need this pacemaker, and the pacemaker they generally figure it has to last for about seven days and that's pretty much how this works and after that it goes away. I would guess and I didn't get into the whole makeup, but you know, it might be like dissolvable sutures or something like that.
Bob Fleischmann:I think it's going to be interesting to watch a story like this 10 years from now and try to imagine where we might be on something like this.
Jeff Samelson:Yeah, it might be worthwhile just to explain what a pacemaker is and does.
Bob Fleischmann:Yeah, what it does is that the body begins to you know, the heart might be losing rhythm and a pacemaker kind of gives it like little electrical jolts to kind of keep it like if it's out of rhythm, it like in microseconds kind of picks it up and gives it a zap and creates that regular rhythm that it needs. When they operate on a neonate, a child, a newborn preemie, a lot of times that the surgery there just needs to be some time for healing, and so then the body doesn't always keep a regular heartbeat, which is needed. And when you don't have a regular heartbeat, probably the first area of the body that's affected is going to be the brain, because you need to be able to transport oxygen, get it up to the brain, and that's the one thing you don't want to have happen at any time, but especially at this stage of life.
Christa Potratz:In that article too that you shared. There was a little video of it too, and so my kids were all watching the video. It was fun, you know, because it is so tiny. I mean they show it like next to a pencil and a tip of a pencil and then you're like, wow, is that it?
Bob Fleischmann:And it just it seems like that. That's kind of the thing with technology is like let's try to get it as small as possible, and it was really neat to see it. It was really neat for my kids to be able to see it and for us to talk about it Again. I just would say you know, watch for what the future is going to bring. I think, like I said, it was about 30 years ago that I think I read the first article about activating different remedy things for the body by flashing light, and the micro size of this only makes it even more fantastic.
Bob Fleischmann:When I was in seventh grade I remember my Mr Kramer was my, I think, social studies teacher or something, and he was talking about kind of a technology race between us and Russia and the Russians had sent back, sent a human hair with a drill through it, a drill bit through the human hair, and how small that was. And then the Americans sent that same piece back with a drill bit through the drill bit. That was 50 years ago or more when I was in those grades. And now you see this. I mean I'm always fascinated by technology and what it can do.
Christa Potratz:Well, another topic that we wanted to talk about today was marijuana use now is shown to be harmful to male fertility. There was a study out that kind of was talking about this and I guess one of the things it was just very interesting to me because I guess I had never really thought about this or just, you know, just a very different topic too to talk about.
Bob Fleischmann:And maybe what we first of all need to clarify is that there's a form of marijuana that is used for medicinal purposes, and then there's marijuana that's used to give you a high, and what this study was pointing out was that the chemical that's used to give you a high was the. What this study was pointing out was that the chemical that's used to give you a high was the chemical that's the problem in fertility. Believe it or not, a male only needs about 4% of the sperm to be active to still be considered a fertile male. But the two things that seem to create a lot of problems in fertility is smoking, just regular cigarette smoking. And then the second thing is marijuana and the biggest effect it has. It affects sperm in three ways, but the biggest effect is it changes the shape of the head of the sperm and sperm head that is awkwardly formed, is basically impotent, it doesn't work and it drops fertility from like 4% to 2%. You are now classified as infertile and the level of infertility has been rising steadily since the 70s.
Bob Fleischmann:You know there's always two arguments.
Bob Fleischmann:I've always felt that there might be a role for marijuana and for medicinal purposes, because there is some situations where pain cannot be alleviated and so forth, and they can do it without the hallucinatory effects with this, but it's the hallucinatory element that creates the problem here, and a lot of people have to do that Now.
Bob Fleischmann:The other thing that I found interesting is they do claim that and this didn't come out in our story, but I found it later that if you're getting ready to have children, you have to kind of lay off the stuff for about six months and they say well, if you lay off the stuff, then the fertility will come back. The one thing I would point out is the infertility issue is a bigger issue than we're going to cover in just this little news story. But they say that there's a lot of factors associated with infertility and infertility is becoming a concern because, as people have waited longer to have children, then all of a sudden they discover they can't have children and this has opened up the whole arena of IVF and surrogate parenting and all of those things. And really the simple message is you know there's two lifestyle things you could do that would help male fertility, and that is stop smoking cigarettes and stop smoking joints cigarettes and stop smoking joints.
Jeff Samelson:It's interesting that you know I believe we touched on it on one of the birth control episodes that you know there's been this search for an effective means of male birth control and it appears that all along, you know, there has been one that just people were not quite aware of.
Christa Potratz:I don't think we're promoting that. Yes.
Jeff Samelson:On the other hand, you could say, well, maybe it's a good thing that regular marijuana users are not becoming fathers, kind of working that thing out in a balance there. And one of the things that really struck me about this is it's an irony and it's not just about this, but it's connected to many other things that at the same time that science is identifying more and more things that are harmful about recreational marijuana use, more and more places, countries and states here in the United States are legalizing it, and it's one of those things, like many of these places, oh, we're all about the science, we're all about the science, but not this, you know. And because we like this you know, and this you me, I would point it out that the marijuana that kids were smoking when I was in high school is, I don't know, it's something like just one-tenth the potency of the stuff that people are using today.
Jeff Samelson:Yeah, because they've used science to make it more potent, and it's not just that you get that much better a high out of it. All these negative effects also are multiplied because most of them are tied, as you mentioned, to the thing that is what makes you high. You know, that effective ingredient, and it's just another one of those things that you have to say. Well, if government is supposed to help protect the people, maybe we should be asking government to be doing a little bit more regulation than it has been doing.
Bob Fleischmann:First of all, you got to remember that there's always a lag in the way discoveries are made and a lag in the way alarms are sounded. Everyone's finally beginning to say, hmm, we're not having the population explosion that we were talking about in the 1970s. In fact, they're expecting things to start shrinking. You know there's been astounding stories about what could happen to South Korea. In just like two generations, south Korea could disappear. You know this is what happens when you have a dropped fertility rate.
Bob Fleischmann:But if you're only living for the moment, then you don't care about your children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren. You're more concerned about getting your high, having your fun doing what you want, and the problem is is that you're going to create a nightmare for future generations. It's more than the coincidence that the first great command or the first great directive or the first great blessing was be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth. The first great directive or the first great blessing was be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth. And when the earth starts becoming less filled, everyone's going to go. Oh well, maybe we should get going. And then, all of a sudden, you find we have this declining fertility rate. Well, it's because we started bad habits and, like Jeff pointed out.
Christa Potratz:I think what's going to happen is you start bad habits and then people start saying, well, I don't want to give that up, you know, and I don't want to stop doing that and then pretty soon things just get worse and then you've gone too far, and I think we do keep turning to technology or just different things like how can we still do what we want to do but solve some of these other problems too? Well, another topic here, and a very interesting one, is these longevity clinics that are coming out, and, bob, you shared this article and I don't know if you want to kind of explain what a longevity clinic is, but it seems like they've been in other places but now they're kind of coming to the US.
Bob Fleischmann:Well, it's interesting. My first practical exposure to the concepts behind longevity clinics is, you know, with Diane's condition and, for those of you who maybe aren't following, my wife has got grade four glioblastoma, which is terminal brain cancer, and our first big exposure to what all was involved was to have she had to have an MRI and that's where they identified it. And as I, of course, everything I do, I do a deep dive into it all to understand it. And I found that you know wealthy people were, they wanted full body MRIs, you know, because they feel well, we can identify masses, we can identify problems, you know, early on. And so you know, between CT scans and MRIs and x-rays and all that kind of stuff, that search led to these other longevity clinics and I think the article said there's something like 800 of them in the United States now. And yeah, and I mean people are just and of course, when you're living for the here and now, when you're living for this, you want to make it as good as you can.
Bob Fleischmann:And I wrote an article, a 14-page article that's posted on the CLR website, where I just talk about the difference between the measures we go through to preserve life as opposed to prolonging the dying process and where that line is. But when I was reading this article, how far do we go? And those of you who heard a corollary story which we did not include in this but there's like a pill now you can give your dog to live longer. And there was just an article I read last week in which they said the whole story hasn't been told on that one either. And that is the ability to live longer does not mean you're going to live longer like you are right now.
Bob Fleischmann:I mean you know it's like, for example, if I were 35 and oh, I could do this, I could live longer and everything. But see your whole body changes at different rates and different places at different times and so forth, and I think people are losing sight of the fact that maybe if we start off life remembering that we have an eternal life in heaven. It was funny because I looked at the five main selling points of longevity clinics and this is what they are. There is the idea of optimizing peak performance. You can. You know, however you are, you can be better. Now you have to remember I'm OCD, so I'm thinking, oh, get a little bit more out of the day, I can go by with a little bit less sleep. You know all that kind of stuff it talks about optimizing.
Bob Fleischmann:Second thing it does is it's really big to promote it. They get celebrities involved and social influencers, and all I can think of is how you know? I was just listening to a makeup ad the other day Cindy Crawford, you could look like Cindy Crawford. I don't want to look like Cindy Crawford, but I mean, but you can look like Cindy Crawford. It gets rid of the wrinkles, gets rid of the lines. You know.
Bob Fleischmann:All of it is trying to retain the found of youth and then rid of the wrinkles, gets rid of the lines, you know. All of it is trying to retain the fountain of youth. And then there's the idea of luxury experience. A lot of these longevity clinics are caters to people who are wealthy, and so it's a luxury, it's a spa, it's like a camp even. And then one of the big things that I found whenever I jumped on a bunch of longevity clinic websites is this anti-aging. Really that's what it's all about. You could live longer and so forth. And I remember kind of talked about this topic a little bit on the CLR National Board. My kind of working theory is no matter how good we get at medicine and tiny implants and all that kind of stuff, we're just never going to get past 120 years. I think we just had somebody die at 126 or 121, but I just don't think we're going to get past it. I think that there's just like a natural time clock going on that and that it runs out.
Jeff Samelson:I read about these things like this and I'm reminded of I don't remember all the details, but there's a story from Greek mythology about some guy who is given the opportunity to ask for anything from the gods, or a particular god who's granting a wish or something like that, and he asks for eternal life. The joke was on him he should have asked for eternal youth and he ends up living forever and eventually he looks like a grasshopper because he has just shrunk so much and everything, but he's still alive. And you know the point you were making Bob about. You know we've got there's more to life than just extending it, and particularly as Christians we've, you know, for everybody who asks, oh, is this all there is?
Jeff Samelson:Well the answer is no.
Christa Potratz:And so we've got to live with what lies behind and beyond.
Bob Fleischmann:Well, and you know, having you know my father passed away actually had a massive heart attack a week ago from the day we recorded this and we just had the memorial service this week. But we've had, you know, plenty of opportunity in the Fleischman household to think about what life and eternal life and so forth. And the one problem we have in the United States and in the American culture is God has richly blessed us in so many incredible ways and really we begin to believe like this is as good as it gets. And really we begin to believe like this is as good as it gets. And the one thing that, no matter how good this life gets, if you think about the description of Revelation, wipes away every tear from their eyes no more hunger, no more thirst, anything like that. Our culture isn't even remotely close to anything like that. No matter how affluent we are in the American culture and you know I go every year I go for a physical. We are in the American culture and you know I go every year I go for a physical and I signed up a number of years ago. I signed up for All of Us, which is a national program where I give them permission to monitor my health for the rest of my life. If somebody knowing what it means to be fat or skinny or diabetic or cancerous or whatever, if that could help somebody else, I'm all in favor of it. So I signed up for that. So the government monitors me.
Bob Fleischmann:I am not frightened of it. People want to make me so frightened of that, but the thing is is that I'm called in this life to spend every moment glorifying God. That's my mission. My mission is not to become a great wise sage. My mission is not to become head of a company. It's to glorify God. And you spend every day working at it, failing, picking yourself up, doing it again. But we live in a culture that teaches you to start looking in other roads, and so you start looking for a bigger house, better house, more fun family. We talk about putting off children until later so I can do the things I want. We do all those kinds of things and it's all for naught. That's what Ecclesiastes is all about. You know you do it all and you lose it anyways. You leave it for somebody else, and the sooner you catch on to that, actually, the much more relaxed you are about the trials and tribulations of life.
Jeff Samelson:Yeah, yeah. And we can stipulate that it is definitely not a bad thing to promote good health and to extend life as a healthy person. I mean, these are positive developments and we're all in favor of them. But what Bob was talking about, with these cultural aspects of things that we just it's like, hey, my life is so good right now, even if, by what we would consider the real standards, it's like, hey, my life is so good right now, even if, by what we would consider the real standards, it's not as good as it could be.
Jeff Samelson:But another thing that worries me about things like this is that it could give people again even more of this false sense of security that leads them to think, well, I don't have to worry about death, so what is there to worry about? And so they won't think about the things that really matter, about their eternal destination, their spiritual security and all these kinds of things, which are ultimately a lot more important. And I'll just add one last thought on this that we already have something like these clinics that can help people live forever. It's the church.
Bob Fleischmann:That's what I was going to say. All of us, technically, should be longevity clinicians. I mean really, yeah, we talk about eternity, yeah.
Christa Potratz:I mean, maybe in some ways pastors you are, but no, I think too, you know. One thing that just struck me was just I think they said like anywhere like upwards to $3,000 a month that you can spend on these longevity clinics, and they are not supposed to replace your, like you were saying, your physicals, your primary care too. It is just added wellness that you are getting from this. That seems kind of crazy to me that people would spend that amount of money to do that. But I think again, you know, it just shows where people's priorities maybe lie, and if they, like Bob you know you were saying, if you are just living for the here and now, then yeah, why wouldn't you spend all your money to try to make the best possible investment for the here and now?
Bob Fleischmann:That's the way people are. What's even sadder is sometimes it's the way I am. I mean, I get sucked into that on occasion. You know you're always trying to upgrade and find yourself trying to make heaven on earth and you realize, whoops, I went too far.
Christa Potratz:Well, if you can't afford $3,000 a month, just diet and exercise.
Bob Fleischmann:But that's so much harder.
Christa Potratz:Can't you give me a pill? It will cost you, yeah, all right. So the next topic that we wanted to talk about, too, is something that you had found, jeff, and it's an ancient altar found in Guatemala, in the jungle, that they believe maybe was used for child sacrifices.
Jeff Samelson:Yeah, this is just something that really grabbed my attention because of some of the cultural aspects of it and what it says about that time and what it says about our time as well. This was an altar from the and I'm going to butcher the pronunciation on this the Tohokuacan culture, which was at the heart of what became Mexico long before the Spaniards ever came, and they found this. Actually, what really fascinated the archaeologists, they found this in Guatemala, which in place was the center of Mayan culture. So it's basically showing that there's an interaction between the two cultures. But what I think matters to us most is what this altar was used for. It was used for child sacrifices. They found the remains of three children, not older than four, on the three sides of the altar, which seems to be a pretty good indication of what the altar was used for.
Jeff Samelson:And it's just, it's like oh, I think I hope that most of us today still have this really awful reaction to this sacrificing children, but unfortunately there are people who don't have that reaction and there's this kind of cultural relativism involved. And there was one quote in here in particular from an archaeologist and this is one who was not involved with the project, but she said the discovery confirms that there has been an interconnection between both cultures, the Tuho-Tuho-Hakan and the Mayan, and what their relationships with their gods and celestial bodies was like. And then she said we see how the issue of sacrifice exists in both cultures. It was a practice. It's not that they were violent, it was their way of connecting with celestial bodies. How were these children? How did they die? I would say yes, there was violence involved and a whole lot of other things that are morally reprehensible as well.
Jeff Samelson:But there is this cultural relativism out there that says, well, we can't impose our values on other societies. And there's a whole lot more we could talk about in connection with that. But it's just a very sad thing that people who should know better should understand that. No, there are some things that are just wrong, you know, and it's good that they don't happen anymore, and we should never celebrate that aspect of things. I mean, yes, it's interesting that they've discovered this. There's a lot that can be learned from discoveries like this, but it's not something to relativize away as well. You know, they were just different then. It still meant that children were being murdered as part of the worship of false gods. Between that kind of moral insanity and the way children are treated by our society now, with abortion, other things, with dealing with embryos and such and destroying them and such. The throwaway culture that we have developed here in our nation and in Western civilization, this culture of death that we're developing, is really not that different. It's just that the gods are different.
Bob Fleischmann:Yeah Well, and it's interesting. I've always been fascinated by there's kind of this ingrained desire to appease a superior being, and one thing that makes Christianity the most unique out of all religions is there's just that flat-out conclusion there's no way you're going to do it, you can't do it.
Bob Fleischmann:You cannot offer enough child sacrifices, you cannot offer enough adult sacrifices, you cannot offer enough food offerings. No matter what you do, it's never going to be enough. So God said I'll do it, and he did it with his son, and the Bible wrestled with this. I thought it was interesting too, because this story, jeff, that you shared, it's from a culture that they feel might be like first century in that time period, I think right around the turn of the century.
Jeff Samelson:Jeff, yeah, somewhere between like 100 BC and 700 AD, Right Something.
Bob Fleischmann:Which is pretty incredible, because in the Bible it talks about Moloch's child sacrifices and that goes back like 2,800 or 2,600 years before Christ, and so it just seems to have a way of coming around. But the archaeologist was correct. It represents a cultural way, but it also shows how culture can go so far off the rails that you just determine some people are expendable. I think of the late Governor, richard Lamb, who said the elderly have a duty to die and get out of the way. I mean, virginia Ironside in Great Britain made the comment on a Sunday morning television show that if a child is born with a disability you should just smother it. And the thing that always shocked me is not just that she said it, but she said it on television. I mean, she said it for other people. Why? Because you realize that the culture is now becoming accepting enough that I can get away with it and it wasn't going to harm my career.
Bob Fleischmann:Cultures have a way of doing that and people need to step back and say you know, with our own abortion-minded culture, what is it about our culture that has made a human being, an unborn child, expendable? What is it? It wasn't always that way. There were always people who were willing to kill unborn children throughout history, the same as there always have been people willing to kill adults and steal and all that kind of stuff. But what is it that makes it now acceptable? It's because it's a culture trying to appease the God of themselves. I need to be fully happy and in order to be happy sometimes people have to die. Sometimes a child has to die and if you try to integrate it into your religion, sometimes the child sacrifice and it's so woefully wrong. But if you look at the culture, where did they go off? Where are we going off?
Jeff Samelson:Yeah, I will point out there's one difference between then and now. The idea behind child sacrifice was that, okay, the gods need to be appeased, they need to be satisfied somehow, or pleased or whatever. What's the most valuable thing that I have that we can offer up as a sacrifice? My own child, I mean that's the most valuable thing there is. But you see, very soon that goes from well, yeah, that is a really valuable thing, but not mine, yours instead. But at least there was still the sense of this is a really valuable thing. Our society today that even has disappeared in so many cases. I mean, you ask a parent of a two-year-old, it's like, okay, are you willing to sacrifice your child, get out of here? No way, because it has now become that valuable, because it's something that lives and breathes and hugs and such. But as long as it's still in the womb, they can treat it as something that lives and breathes and hugs and such, but as long as it's still in the womb, they can treat it as something that has no value.
Christa Potratz:Thank you both for this discussion today. We covered a lot of topics here, and we thank all of our listeners, too, for joining us, and we ask, if you are interested in this podcast, to please share it with other people. We hope to increase and to make more people aware of the information here too. So thank you so much for joining us and we look forward to having you back next time. Bye.
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