The Life Challenges Podcast

How to Tell Good Science From Noise

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Headlines shout certainty while the data whispers, and that gap can cost us wisdom. We dive into what real research looks like, how to separate signal from noise, and why the difference between correlation and causation matters for your health, your choices, and your credibility. From flashy anecdotes and AI-polished videos to the quiet rigor of controls, sample sizes, and replication, we walk through a practical, plain-language guide to spotting trustworthy studies without getting lost in jargon.

We talk about the strengths and limits of meta-analyses, the importance of peer review, and why timeframes can make or break a claim—short-term happiness can look very different seven years later. Funding isn’t neutral either, so we show you how incentives shape headlines and why early “breakthroughs” often fade when larger trials arrive. You’ll hear how to use public resources like NIH repositories, when to lean on academic libraries, and how to ask better questions of your doctor or any expert you trust. Along the way, we call out common logical fallacies, the lure of echo chambers, and the subtle ways our pride and emotions tug us toward bad conclusions.

Underneath it all is a deeper commitment: caring about truth is an act of stewardship. We want to make decisions with integrity, serve our neighbors with reliable information, and admit honestly when the evidence just isn’t there yet. That blend of diligence and humility keeps us grounded—pursuing knowledge while recognizing our limits, weighing evidence without surrendering compassion, and trusting God when certainty runs out.

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ChristaPotratz:

On today's episode.

BobFleischmann:

We're stewards of God's gifts of life. And so to be the best steward, you want to know as much of the score as you can, you know, so you can make the right decisions and do the right thing. And that also means that sometimes you have to acknowledge there just isn't enough data available. And there is stuff like that out there where no matter how much research you do, it just seems at this stage of the game to be inconclusive.

JeffSamelson:

Welcome to the Life Challenges Podcast from Christian Life Resources. Our world today presents people with complicated issues of life and death, marriage and family, health, and science. It can be a struggle to understand or deal with them. We're here to help by bringing good information and a fresh biblical perspective to these matters and more. Join us now for life challenges.

ChristaPotratz:

Hi, and welcome back. I'm Christopher Tretz, and I'm here today with pastors Bob Fleischman and Jeff Samelson. And today we're going to talk about this topic of research. We hear things all the time in the news about research and what's going on. And sometimes people quote things or studies. And if we're not super familiar with what it really means to research or just the different avenues that there are for research, we maybe just don't understand all that's going on about it. And so we wanted to just take some time today to talk about what research is, how we can know if when we hear something on the news, if it's, you know, quote unquote good research. And um the context too of of being Christians and doing our due diligence with different things. So I think um where we want to start our conversation today is really what is research.

JeffSamelson:

I I think most of us are probably uh familiar with or have had the experience of somebody, you know, maybe it's online uh social media or something like that, saying, Oh no, I've done my research. And then they tell you what their conclusion is, and you're just like, where did you get that? How did you come to that conclusion? It's like, oh yeah, no, I I did a lot of research on this. And what you end up concluding is that they did bad research or, you know, they they did something they called research that wasn't actually good research. Now, the dictionary definition, uh, the research is the systematic investigation into and study of materials and sources in order to establish facts and reach new conclusions. More simply, research is simply doing the necessary and proper work to find out the truth about something or or to deepen one's knowledge and understanding of something. But we're doing what's necessary to find things out. It's it's important because otherwise you're stuck just with opinions or a limited understanding uh and you want to know more.

BobFleischmann:

Biblically, the example that always comes to my mind whenever I think of the idea of research is uh when Paul said the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, because they searched the scriptures to see if what we were saying is true. Research is always an appeal to a higher authority trying to find an objective truth. And based on that, then you know truth, and it's that pursuit of truth. Where it starts getting blurry is when we start crossing the line with what w what's referred to as biased research. And biased research would be things like uh the way you word questions to try to invite a certain response. I there's some illusions that people have about research. All research is by its nature bias. I mean, that's the scientific method. You create a hypothesis that that's based on what you see as a correlation. In other words, when A occurs, B happens. So my theory is that A causes B. And then you do a series of testing and everything to see if A is just a correlation, which means that it happens, but it there are other things involved. Or uh is it a cause? Is it a causation? Giving a good example. The old joke is, you know, doctor, doctor, doctor, you know, every time I raise my arm, my leg hurts. Well, then don't raise your arm. You know, well, of course, you know, raising your arm isn't going to hurt your leg, you know that. But there must be a correlation. There must be something having to do with the way you're raising your arm that you're doing something that causes pain in your foot. And what actually causes the pain in the foot is the causation. So when you're doing research, you usually start with a bias that is framed by a correlation, and you're trying to reduce it down to find the cause. And what we see a lot, and what I think Jeff had referenced when you're looking at social media, is people see a lot of correlation and then they they draw some conclusions without having done the research to see if there's a causation. And that's I mean, it's critical because cor correlation is what always causes you to go, Oh yeah. Yeah, I see that. Yeah, I think that's true. And yet correlation doesn't mean really hardly anything. That's why oftentimes there used to be a rule in research that anytime somebody published a study that said there should be a treatment in ten years. The big joke always used to be ten years is like an if an infinity symbol. We have no idea when this is gonna come out. Why? Because there's a lot of correlation in there, there's not a lot of causation yet.

JeffSamelson:

Yeah, when when you started with the doctor doctor story, Bob, I thought you were gonna do the other one, which is you know, Doctor Doctor, I've got so much pain, it just hurts so much. Oh what's wrong? It's like every time I touch my my my knees, it hurts. Every time I touch my feet, it hurts. Every time I touch my face, it hurts. What's wrong, Doctor? I think your finger's broken.

BobFleischmann:

Yeah.

JeffSamelson:

They're looking at the wrong thing. Yeah.

ChristaPotratz:

Well, um, you know, why is it important to know how to know what there is to know? Well, I'll let Jeff start with. That's not a Dr. Seuss right here, but what can we draw from that?

JeffSamelson:

I'd say two things. Uh it's about certainty and it's about uh communication and persuasion. Certainty because without confidence that a conclusion was reached through the proper means, you can't have confidence that the conclusion is correct. You you want to be able to know that the thing that you're basing your decisions on, that you're you're planning your life around, that this is correct. So you you want to have that confidence, that that certainty. And with um, you know, the communication and such, if if you can't show others that your conclusion was reached through the proper means, or that your arguments are are based on such conclusions, it's gonna be hard to convince them. It's kinda gonna be hard to show them that you should be taken seriously, let alone persuade them that you're actually right about that thing. And I think a lot of people miss that today. They they just assume that because they're shouting loud enough or they're saying it often enough and in enough places that that that that's going to convince. But what really is going to have the power to persuade is the actual evidence that you've done the research, that your conclusions are proper.

BobFleischmann:

And that means starting at the right point. You know, what are you trying what are you trying to conclude? If you watch some of these minor channels, they run these commercials, and it's like, you know, I use this medicine. With this medicine, I'm able to climb ladders again, and I'm able to leap mountains and run faster than a speeding bullet and all that kind of stuff. And then at the very end, uh, unless you have a high-resolution television, you don't even see the fine print, which says none of these claims have been verified. But what it means is you've found anecdotal evidence. Somebody took it and they said they feel fine and so forth. You know, you're gonna want to know what was the methodology behind it. And today with the internet, it not only puts greater responsibility on you as the consumer, uh great greater responsibility to check it out, but it also creates a wider um arena of people coming in with every you know goofy argument that you could possibly have. And uh so you know, you have to ask yourself, you know, what is what is a good criteria? How do I how do I know what what's yeah?

ChristaPotratz:

I think I mean what you're saying too, Bob, uh especially in this internet age, um is really true. It is very concerning uh because people can post anything, uh any information out there. Uh they can say it's true, and and it seems like a lot of people believe them.

JeffSamelson:

Aaron Powell It's not just that you know anybody can put anything out there, it's often pretty polished. It's it's it's you know it's professional looking. Uh it's become increasingly easy to you know to do that today. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

ChristaPotratz:

through AI. Right. And and you can even uh the some of this stuff is shocking nowadays, too, because I'll see like an AI video where it looks like somebody is actually saying these things.

JeffSamelson:

Yeah, and and another concern today is that that people who don't know the difference between a good argument and a bad one, or good research and uh or bad research, are easily convinced by things that that appeal to their pride or to their emotions uh or to their desires. And then they just go on to distribute those to other people, share it on social media or whatever it might be. They don't understand that there's a reason they shouldn't be doing this, so they go ahead and do it anyway. And that's again, it's just magnified uh on on the internet. And so basically misinformation and disinformation abound.

BobFleischmann:

Well, and what what Jeff's talking about there is uh one of my favorite classes I took in college was a course in logic. The arguments that are used in polemics, you know, when people are arguing, um some of the arguments are what are called arg argumentums, odd homonums, which are arguments to the person. Some of them are uh arguments with false premises, and you've got to be willing and you've got to be willing to divide out an assertion as opposed to a fact. And when people are building an argument, you know, are the are all the elements there. And one of the concerning things is logic, instruction is part of the humanities department in the university. And anybody who's been following the the plight of universities today is history and humanities departments are probably the the departments you don't want to be part of because uh no students are signing up for them. You know, they're signing up for the economic departments, they're signing up for the the technology departments and those kinds of things. And when we lose our ability, you know, I mean, how many of you have hated uh you know algebra class? You know, you you talk to kids and they go, why do we have to take algebra? I algebra, you know, you never use it. What am I going to need algebra for? Well, anybody who's taken a logic course knows that it's based on the on the foundation of algebra. It's if-then clauses and so forth, they're algebraic causes. Well, this is the new younger generation that is domineering social media that is claiming that all of this is true and all this is they couldn't hardly logically explain themselves around a if you tell them to take four right turns on a square block, they won't end up in the same place. Because they just they don't they don't think critically about the way that that's all structured and formulated. Aaron Ross Powell I read a paper once about uh the theology behind the scientific method, which is which is a interesting topic in and of itself. But the scientific method really is, you know, it's not quite inspired, but pretty ingenious. I mean it when you follow it correctly, it's it's not a hundred percent foolproof, but probably about as close as sinful people can get to be being foolproof. You know, it's it's a formula for doing research. Yeah.

JeffSamelson:

I'd say another problem with our our internet age, um, and it's not just related to the internet, it's related to TV and a whole bunch of other things, but the kind of instant gratification sense is that if you come across something on uh on the internet or or or wherever that challenges your presuppositions, you don't have to sit there through it, you just click away. Uh and that's trained more than one generation, I think, to just not deal with things that might be just a little bit difficult, that that might be challenging in some way. And uh you see this in some of the videos that that are around, and or maybe you've seen it in in person, that somebody who's making a reasoned argument about something, we'll take a college campus as uh as a thing. They're making a reasoned argument against whatever whatever's the prevailing opinion. And there's somebody from the audience who's asking questions and who's being challenged on this. And it's it's supposed you know you want it to be a debate, and yet the one who's who's making the the prevailing point can't answer, can't respond to whatever the um the reasoned person i is saying, and they just explode. They just can't deal with it because they are so used to just having that option of I don't have to deal with the thing that challenges my presuppositions. And uh it's it's a sad statement of of where people's minds are at and where where education is at, that they just don't have the ability to be able to grasp, oh, here's something unpleasant or unfamiliar, I need to hold on to it for a little while as an idea so that I can evaluate it. They they can't even get to that point.

ChristaPotratz:

Yeah, I mean, and to your point too, like yes, you know, you can just turn away from something that makes you uncomfortable. But nowadays, too, you can also just find a lot of validation in what you want to believe too. And I also just think uh just in the topic of news, there definitely are more liberal news outlets and then more conservative ones. And so you can just choose what it is you want to hear, almost in a sense, because of the way sometimes people spin stories too. They can make one thing that maybe you would think, okay, like it's not even one way or the other. They can make it sound one way or the other, and it can validate whatever position you hold. Well, we've talked negatively, like how um all the misinformation that is out there. How do you get good information then? How do you know what is true? What is really the gold standard in means or methods to find out what there is to know on a subject or to answer a particular question?

JeffSamelson:

Well, I I read online that the best gold, you know, that that the gold standard is a well-conducted systematic review and meta-analysis.

ChristaPotratz:

Um I know Bob was talking about anecdotal, and I honestly think like that that is uh our people's go-to methods of research. But when we talk about studies where maybe there was a control and then there was a test group, when you do things like that, that is going to be more valid depending on whatever you it is you're testing for. You also want to look at a population size too. So um, you know, back to the anecdotal thing, like that's usually just like one or two people saying something. If you are looking at a study where they tested a thousand people, or you know, it's a really large number, uh something like that is going to hold more weight in in the research community.

BobFleischmann:

I signed up, oh, I don't know, maybe half dozen years ago for all of us, which is that national uh I I surrender my health records to so all the people who think that between Alexa listening to in on all your conversations and the government monitoring you, uh you're gonna probably write me and tell me, are you crazy for letting them do that? But I'm part of the all of us thing. And I just got an email yesterday or the day before, that I'm one of like uh like 896,000, I believe, people who have signed up, and their goal is to get a million. And we agree to allow them to track our life uh to the end. And it's a it's supposed to be the largest study. Well, I'll give you a good example is that I had to submit, I gave them permission to do a uh a genetic screening on me, and they discovered that I will always kind of register high on bad cholesterol. Just always, like all the cholesterol medicine in the world, I'll not do it. And and I've always been right there. The doctor, I remember for the last 15 years, the doctor, I you're just like you're one more thing over and you're gonna have to go on medication. And once in a while I'd be one more point over, and then I they put me on medication, and it would never change anything. Whether I stopped or I I used it and so forth. Well, that's what the study shows, is that you're always going to be that way. And then uh there's a lot of people like me in that regard. So they show that. But see, that's when Krista was talking about, you know, a study of a thousand. Well, a study of eight hundred thousand, I mean, that's very compelling. I mean, you just you know, when you begin to see conclusions from that that number, there are there are studies that uh also look at studies. Studies that look at studies. And that's quite honestly, that is what a lot of us do on social media. You you look at this study and then you look at that study and you look at this study and you say, Wow, I've looked at three studies, you know, that's but that's a form of studies, and that's not necessarily invalid, except that's where you begin to bring in this issue of is there a bias in it? Like, for example, uh not just bias studies, but but some of these other controversial studies, some of the controversial studies would be a researcher, a single researcher, um, who will do a study and he'll find out that fourteen out of twenty-five test results have shown th this this link between taking this and having this problem. Okay. And if you have a child with that problem, you immediately embrace the link. Why? Because you're looking for some sort of affirmation that you are on the right track and and now you've got it. Now, mind you, that study proves nothing unless it's combined with a bunch of other studies, you know, and that but that's kind of how people get going on this. And so they get going and then later on they find that all they had discovered was a correlation and not a causation.

JeffSamelson:

That's actually a documented problem in in science uh in in recent years, that people are you know announcing these great results from some study that they've done and they get published and they get fame, maybe they write a book or something like that, and then uh somebody else comes along and tries to replicate their research and it fails. And that just shows it's like okay, you know, and that's that's the meta of a meta-analysis, that you know, you bring in all sorts of things that are studying the same question, and then you combine the answers. Now, now there can even be, you know, well, you you can mess up uh a meta-analysis as well, because if you take eight studies that are based on really good research and uh you got the data from those, and then you also bring in two more that are based on really bad research or biased research, and then you average everything together, you're getting a lot farther away from accurate. And if those two are really out there with their results, you you may be bending things very much towards the wrong conclusion. And so, you know, even there you've got to have a sense of, okay, what studies are worth you know including here? Did this one have the proper controls? Was this one biased somehow in terms of who they uh included? I mean, there's um famous uh thing in polling, political polling from back uh, I guess it was like the 1920s, 1930s, something like that. And they thought they'd come up with a really good way to you know poll people on this political question. And so they they called people up and they asked them their opinions on these things, and they said, this is what America thinks. Well, the problem was that at that time, the only people who had phones in their homes were the more wealthy people. And so they did not get a snapshot of the entire population, they just got a snapshot of a particular portion of the population. And that just illustrates that you've got a control for things in order to get good answers.

ChristaPotratz:

When Bob Wood too was talking about the longevity study that he was a part of too, it it did remind me of when Katie Kohlblentz was on here and she was saying too how people would cite studies to her um about how uh people who transitioned how happy they were. And um, but I think she was saying that those studies just showed how happy they were three years after their transition. And she said, Yeah, I was happy three years after my transition too. And you know, it wasn't until it was like I think maybe seven years for her. So that's that's also a piece of some of it too. Like, are we looking far enough out at things? And I think too, when some, you know, when we hear some medical advice or something too, yeah, I mean, it might look like one way in a few years, and then when we study it even, you know, 10 or 15 years down the road, something could have changed. And so realizing that even some of the information we're getting, it could be different down the road, too.

BobFleischmann:

Well, and then let me further muddy the water now. Like we'll get political for a moment. So what happens when you when you defund large portions of the medical research budget on the national level uh from the government? Well, that means you've got to then pursue your funding dollars from from other uh private foundations or public foundations, but non-governmental uh foundations, which is how a lot of these papers get published, because somebody will find a correlation, it's really good, it's exciting, uh, you know, I we might have a cure for, and then you fill in the blank. And so they get themselves published, and then of course that attracts the funding that they need so that their project gets funded. And and then of course it um the the percentage of of actual funded projects that actually result in cures is pitifully low. We're talking very, very small percentage. But you wouldn't know it by reading the initial paper. I publish a thing for the b the CLR National Board, and sometimes it's hand uh the pastors will hand them out at pastors' conferences. I just call it news, and we use it here on occasion uh when we do our news and views uh episode. But when I when I pick the articles to put into that document, I've I've fared out a lot of them that just say it's not even a phase one study, but it's a research. And the moment they use uh subjectives and so you know, this might be, this could be, you know, it might possibly lead to I almost eliminate ninety percent of those because they never lead to anything. But they get you excited and they get funding. And then it skews things.

ChristaPotratz:

I think that's a good point too, Bob. I remember when I was in grad school, they always made a big point of um just looking where the funding was coming from with different studies. So if there was a big um nutrition or physical activity study that came out, if it was funded by McDonald's, you might want to think twice about the results with it. If it was showing that people that ate cheeseburgers really didn't gain weight or whatever, you know, you just wanted to be mindful of the funding sources that were funding the research too.

BobFleischmann:

Well, and that's always been a problem, like the early smoking research and all that kind of stuff. When Philip Morris was funding it, uh well, what a surprise the way it came out. Things like that, that's the bias that infiltrates. And I I think what we need to do is provide some guidance to people, and that is you you've got to be you gotta think critically about the research you're looking at. First of all, research that you get after looking on the internet for ten minutes means almost nothing to me. I mean, because people will write me and they'll say, Well, I get that now, you know. Uh Diane, my wife, has got what's called grade four glioblastoma, which is uh incurable brain cancer. And every once in a while there'll be something out on the internet, you know, that um and they'll send it to me and they'll say, Well, you know, I was looking around, I did a search, and this is what I found. Okay, well, first of all, I can assure you that when, you know, the person on this earth that you love the most uh is diagnosed with that, you've already walked that path. You've done that research. You've I mean you're there already. But this applies to kind of like all research. You've got to get past the emotional element. And when you're trying to be objective, the kind of things that's interesting is first of all, you have a really, really trusted doctor, really trusted oncologist. And we do. Yeah, she's um and she's smart, she's sophisticated, she's you know, and you talk to them about it. I what I'm trying to suggest to you is that whether we're talking vaccines, we're talking cancer, we're talking diseases, we're talking flu, whatever it is, and you want to adopt a position, adopt a position based on massive amounts of research, not on what you did on a Friday night while the kids were playing basketball and you're in the bleachers using your cell phone. That's that's not how it works. I'll tell you this from having done this kind of research, it is painful reading. You don't you don't understand a lot of the terminology and so forth, and then you have to research the terminology to understand the research you're reading and so forth. But that is how you finally ferret out the truth.

ChristaPotratz:

Yeah, I mean uh um any other suggestions on where to find good research or what maybe is considered to be good research.

JeffSamelson:

Aaron Powell Bob was talking about how you're doing that kind of research and you come across things and you you you need to do more research in order to understand that research because you you've got to find out what these words mean. Even people with extreme levels of high training in in one field are gonna be lost in another field. Maybe find somebody you can trust who can explain the stuff for you or who can process it for you and in and then say this is what that means. I mean, you know, particularly like with medical things. I mean, that's what we rely on our doctors for. They're supposed to stay up on the research and be able to tell us so that when I go to him and say, Yeah, I I uh I've been reading all the stuff online about it, this supplement that I should be taking at this age, you know. Is there anything to that? You count on your doctor to have kept up on things to be able to tell you that stuff, you know, in the same way that we as pastors, we we want our people to come to us when, yeah, you know, my my friends have been talking about this thing that they say the Bible teaches. And I don't remember you ever talking about that, Pastor. What is it, what is this? You wanted them to come to you in that way, to, you know, to be able to share the research, the knowledge that you have, uh, or or even to just say, let me look into that and I'll get back to you. So finding somebody you you can trust when you can't do it yourself or it's beyond your skill, or even just to confirm your understanding of what you've already, you know, that you've already reached can be really helpful.

BobFleischmann:

No, and one and one of the things that you kind of alluded to early on, Krista, that you mentioned was the idea of peer-reviewed studies. The one challenge with peer-reviewed studies, which means other professionals in that field have examined it to make sure there weren't any lapses and judgment on how it was assembled and all that kind of stuff. But one of the challenges you have is cost. Like, for example, I have access because I teach uh both for the seminary and for uh Concordia University, I have access to the academic library. And the academic library gets you free access to a lot of the medical journals that otherwise now I I just authorized, we get one medical journal here at the office, and that's the New England Journal of Medicine. Uh, your subscription to that is uh I just told them I only wanted digital, so I was able to get it down to like 150 bucks a year or something like that. But when you want to do a deep dive research, you know, I'm not just gonna read what they do because they're biased as well. You know, you're you're trying to do all that. So you spend a lot of time on the university library system looking at the documents, looking at them, and once in a while they'll they'll release their information. It's available on the internet. You can do a lot of this research at the National Institute of Health. They've got a lot of the deep papers and so forth uh uh posted there. But be aware, you know. Now I know I've seen studies now, and Jeff alluded to them, that they're now discovering that some of them had some, you know, maybe some bias in the research and so forth. Even if that's true, and I think it is true to some degree, uh Just remember, uh it's probably the your greatest reservoir or of deep research that's at your disposal for the for the average person. And once you get accustomed to reading the deep dive stuff, maybe you take a class at a university, get onto their system that allows you access, and you could do a deeper dive. But but please, if just just remember this, that when it makes a big splash on the internet, this is somebody who's trying to get funding. This is that's what it oftentimes is. They're trying to get funding. And it and they're great points, you want to per have it pursued, but it is hardly conclusive.

ChristaPotratz:

As we bring it all together too, um just wanted to look at one more question, and that is why should Christians care about good research and study?

JeffSamelson:

We care about truth. The pursuit and promotion of truth glorifies God. Even apart from spiritual things, just because God is truth, it matters. You know, and it matters a great deal to us because God matters to us, and and and uh it's also because we we want to make sure for ourselves that we're we're getting the best uh and and most reliable information. And we also want that for other people, for the people who rely on us, for people we love, but just generally for our neighbors, because um we we have love for them as well. It's better when the truth is not just out there, but it's it's here right with us to work with.

BobFleischmann:

We're stewards of God's gifts of life. And so to be a the best steward, you want to you want to know as much of the score as you can, you know, so you can make the right decisions and do the right thing. And that also means that sometimes you have to acknowledge there just isn't enough data available. And there is stuff like that out there where no matter how much research you do, it just seems at this stage of the game to be inconclusive. The hardest part of being a Christian, you know, because your your question, Christian, was you know, what should Christians care about? You do get to the point where sometimes logic has to step off and surrender and trusting God first becomes the prevailing approach, you know, where I ca I can't decide. Think about that. We've gotten into debates on the national board at times over the years of when you think about every life carries a risk. There's a statistical risk that when we go to the grocery store and come back that you're going to get into an accident. And there's even a statistical chance that in that accident you could lose your life. Do you not go to the store to get groceries? Well, there's correlations to all that, not necessarily causations. At some point you just gotta have to trust, which is hard.

ChristaPotratz:

Well, thank you both for this uh topic today, for this discussion. We thank all of our listeners too, and you can reach us at lifechallenges.us if you have any questions or comments, and we look forward to having you back next time. Thanks a lot. Bye.

JeffSamelson:

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