Grief Isn’t a Detour Back to “Normal” with Dr. Stacy Jensen

Grief isn’t a detour back to “normal.” It’s a turning toward something new—often unwanted, always hard, yet held by God. We sit down with Dr. Stacy Jensen to trace a deeply human story of loss, love, and quiet strength after her husband Nick’s death from melanoma in 2019. From family devotions in Romans 8 to the gift of a full funeral just months before COVID shutdowns, Stacy shows how mercy threads through even the darkest days.

Together we unpack why the five stages of grief don’t match lived experience and how Psalm 13 maps a more honest path—from “How long?” to “I will sing.” Stacy shares how each child grieved differently, what it took to parent amid waves of sorrow, and the surprising ways the body signals danger, like relentless cold before a final goodbye. She names the help that truly helps: curious questions, specific prayers, and one concrete burden lifted. A simple ask—“What necessary thing do you hate doing right now?”—led friends to take over school lunches and gave her back breathing room.

For churches, friends, and caregivers, we offer practical ways to care well beyond the funeral—steady presence, scheduled check‑ins months later, rides for kids, and remembering hard anniversaries. For students and young adults who feel invincible, we talk about preparing your heart now with Scripture memory, worship habits, and a circle of people who won’t rush your pain. And for anyone walking through fresh loss, Stacy’s message is clear: do the next right thing, rest in God’s nearness, and trust that nothing can separate you from His love.

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Transcript

A New View Of Grief

SPEAKER_01 0:00

On today's episode.

SPEAKER_00 0:02

I don't think that grief is used by God to get us back to normal. If we were supposed to still have what was normal, it would still be there. So God is always calling us to something new. We're not supposed to get back to that. We're supposed to learn from it and grow and allow it to serve some new purpose in our lives. So for other people to say, you should be back to this or this other version of yourself, runs contrary to what God is using the grace for.

SPEAKER_02 0:37

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SPEAKER_01 1:05

Hi, and welcome back. I'm Krista Potratz, and I'm here today with Pastor Jeff Samelson, and today we have a very special guest with us. We have Dr. Stacy Jensen joining us. Welcome, Stacy. Thank you so much. It's a pleasure to be here. I was very excited to be doing this podcast and to have you on today. I think you are the third now former professor of mine that uh will have been on this podcast here. So so I know what you uh teach at Wisconsin Lutheran College. And I think I was in maybe one of your first years of teaching there, I took nonverbal communication. One of the things that stood out the most was just your your emphasis on not interrupting people and how um how just what a polite um gesture that is when we don't interrupt people. So I'm going to try my hardest today to not interrupt anybody because I I definitely remember that from your class.

Why Grief Becomes Our Topic

SPEAKER_00 2:13

Well, good. I'm glad you remembered it. And there's a lot of detail, a lot of care and attention that we can give to people in the way we say things and the nonverbals we add to it. And in a world that's so rushed and busy, not interrupting is like a subtle conversational gift for someone. I'm giving you the time and the space to express how you feel.

Nonverbal Care And Not Interrupting

Early Losses And Writing The Book

SPEAKER_01 2:38

So today, our topic that we're going to be talking about and discussing here on the podcast is the topic of grief. There might be some listeners who have heard your story before. You were a conference speaker this year at the Christian Life Resources National Conference. And I know you have um have talked a lot in um in our well circles too. But for people that don't know your story, can you share a little bit about the season of life when you lost your husband and some of that time for our listeners?

Nick’s Cancer And Final Months

SPEAKER_00 3:17

Yes, absolutely. I will actually back up just a little bit. My my earliest season of grief came uh when all in the span of two years, I lost my last grandparent, my last in-law. Uh, Nick had lost both of his parents in a short period of time. And I also lost three pregnancies during that time and just remember being so challenged in my face and seeking good resources and being in the word and saying, where, where is this Christian support and fellowship during this time, really praying about that. And that led me to write uh my book that we'll likely talk about later, Purposeful Grieving. And that book was published in July of 2019, right before, as you mentioned, I lost my first husband, uh Nick, to melanoma or skin cancer. So he had had about an 18-month battle with the cancer once it had spread to his lymph nodes. You know, we had known about a suspicious mole since 2011, and they removed that and everything was quiet for a while. But it was really that 2018 through 2019 period of his life that that took away his ability to walk and uh challenged his functionality and and motor skills greatly. But yeah, November 12th of 2019 is when he went to heaven.

SPEAKER_01 4:49

In your talk too, you had also just mentioned your children and um the ages of your children. Um how was that as a mother? How did you navigate your grief and also while helping your kids process what was going on?

Faith Muscles And Daily Endurance

SPEAKER_00 5:08

That was an incredibly challenging aspect to grief because as anyone who's lost somebody or something close to them knows, it's an internal whirlwind of not knowing when the waves of emotion are going to come, how frequently the tears will come, uh, one conversation that dips into something a little deep, and there are the tears again, and the intrusive thoughts about the grief or the loss. I mean, you're navigating that world on your own, that inner turmoil. And then my children were 13. My son Jordan was 13, my daughter Vanessa was 11, and Nadia was seven when Nick passed away. So if you think about the adolescent world and the different perspectives of each of them, that in and of itself was like a case study, a one-by-one case study on where are you at and what do you need? And the number of times that I might have been having quote unquote a bad day or a challenging day, and then one of them really needed me that was a stretch in face. Like, Lord, I need the the resources, I need the endurance and the stamina to meet my children where they're at, because I don't know that I'm doing a good job of that for myself all the time, you know? So just fill me up and help me to be there. But what a time of being stretched and knowing I still needed to be used as a mom for those kids. So one of the hardest things I've ever had to do.

SPEAKER_02 6:54

I think that's why they call it exercising your faith. Um you're stretched, you use it, and uh unfortunately that's how your faith gets stronger.

SPEAKER_00 7:03

For sure.

SPEAKER_01 7:05

I think too, when you were just describing the differences, I know this sometimes when we talk about grief, we talk about like how everyone grieves in their own way. And you're then that just the timeline of grief, I mean, is more like a roller coaster than a straight line. And then it's I mean, hearing you talk about how each of your kids then were on their own roller coaster and their own timelines, and then you as a parent are trying to do all that and and be there for them. I mean, that that is that just that seems unreal.

Romans 8 And Family Support

SPEAKER_00 7:44

It it felt unreal at the time, but also I do know for sure from experience that God holds you right there in the palm of his hand, and you do get through it one moment at a time. And I remember saying to myself, just do the next right thing. Just do the next one thing that's in front of you to handle, and then take a breath and then make it through the next thing because God is there in all of those moments, and He does promise a peace that that transcends all understanding, and it it is there, it is there. Um, but like he had said, it is a time of being stretched and developing the the muscle of faith, and that requires tearing things down and building them back up again, but that was all a beautiful and challenging part of the process for sure.

SPEAKER_01 8:43

Was there a particular moment or scripture or a person that helped you feel God's presence um in the middle of the deep sorrow?

Deposits Of Faith And Memory Work

SPEAKER_00 8:54

Yes, that is a wonderful question. And I will say that built into our daily lives for a number of years leading up to Nick's death, we would do morning and evening devotions as a family and be reading in God's word. So it just happened that we were in the book of Romans in the days leading up to Nick's death, and we had landed near Romans 8, talking about being more than conquerors and that beautiful picture of what our faith is all for and the promises of eternity at the end of this life. So my goodness, does that chapter have a very special place in my heart and in the life of our family? And then in terms of people specifically who helped me, I mean, my my parents and my immediate family. So I have two brothers and sisters-in-law. And I mean, for my parents to have been there and and loved Nick through all of it and really supported me with their prayers. Um, I have a great team. I know I mentioned at the conference presentation that God gave me a doctor for a dad and a doctor for a brother and a doctor for a sister-in-law. So if I ever had medical concerns or questions, they were all right there to help me and break down challenging terminology and things like that. And my other brother is a pastor, and my mom was a marriage and family counselor. So I really had built in there people to help me with the spiritual and the psychological side too, and all holding me up. I also am a member at Trinity in Waukeshaw, and we had just a really awesome group of women there that would reach out and support me during that time too. So while grief can be isolating and you maybe don't want to burden other people with talking about it all the time or or feeling needy, those were the people that really held me up and were there for our family.

SPEAKER_01 11:03

Yeah. Oh, that's that's wonderful to hear you say that. And I think sometimes too, you know, we make these different deposits in life. I mean, whether it is um just like you mentioned, I mean, doing these devotions every day or being part of a church or just these connections and and or you know, strong connections with family or neighbors or all those different things. So we're constantly depositing things into into that. And then it's like you just you don't know like when you're gonna need all that, you know. I mean, and I mean you need it maybe on a day-to-day too, but those moments sometimes too, it's like wow, like all of these people or all of these things came back to really help me, and God was using all of these things in the past to help me in this moment now.

Grief Isn’t Linear

SPEAKER_00 12:00

Well, yes, and a few other comments about that. So, a shout out to all of the memory work that I had to learn growing up through our Luke Elementary, right? All those Bible verses, all the hymns that when I was in a doctor's office or waiting for a surgery to happen, that those verses were just in me because I had learned them. Thank you, Lord, for providing that comfort along the way. That was a wonderful gift. And I, you don't think about it at the time, like, oh, more memory work, what? But it really is a blessing, a blessing in the end for sure as an adult. And I even think about my upbringing and being in everything, you know, all the dance, all the sports, all the music classes and lessons and running around. Even that had served me well. Then being a mom caring for a husband and three kids and and keeping all the balls floating in the air, even God used that to prepare me for that time. I think about my experiences when I was in college. And I would, I was an intern for a while with Wisconsin Lutheran Institutional Ministries and would spend time over at the Cancer Center at Frey Dirt and meeting with different patients who were there and praying with them. And it's like that even was a training ground for what I would need later on with Nick and talking to people about cancer. So don't think a moment of your life is wasted because God will really pull it all together and use it for his purposes. He knows just how to do that.

SPEAKER_02 13:46

Amen.

SPEAKER_01 13:48

Yes, amen for sure. We talked about how grief isn't linear and how there are those ups and downs. What were some of the unexpected challenges or even unexpected greases that you encountered along the way?

Pre‑COVID Mercy And Funerals

SPEAKER_00 14:06

Well, you're right to say that grief is not linear. You've heard about the five stages of grief. Oh, yes. You know, oh, you work beautifully from denial all the way to this place of acceptance, and isn't that neat? And we tie it up with a bow in that respect. But no, it's more like a tangled mess. And you might have days of denial and days of acceptance and days where you're angry about it. So it is more of a mess. And I think we can do a better job as Christians of extending that grace and permission to grieve to other people along the way. And I think that is one of the graces that was afforded to me, especially by my family members, of it's okay to take your time, it's okay to have bad days, it's okay to cry about it years later. It's okay to go to those places in your heart and feel upset or or challenged by God, but always come back to him in those moments. You know, those were beautiful graces. I think some of the surprises have been moments with my kids in the years that followed, and different things that they would remember, or different aspects of the closing weeks of Nick's life and the funeral, or even right after, that were special to them and maybe hadn't occurred to me at the time. For example, so Nick passed in November of 2019, as I said. And if we think about that in the scheme of society, that was just a few months before COVID, right? So March of 2020, just a few short months later, everything has shut down. And I remember my son saying to me, Do you realize if Nick had lived the few months longer, we wouldn't have been able to have that funeral. We wouldn't have been able to have all of those friends and family around. I mean, so much of the world was shut down at that time. So even that was a huge grace and mercy to my family that those social connections were still there during those immediate months uh before all of that would have been taken away. You know, it's kind of shocking to look back on and think about that.

Let People Grieve Their Way

SPEAKER_02 16:32

You and Krista were talking at the opening about the the gift of not interrupting, of allowing people to say what they have to say. I'd say there's something similar with with grief in that we we should give people the gift of letting them grieve in their own way. Very often, you know, people who have gone through something bad, grief stricken in some way, just kind of get the idea that what worked for them or the procedure, you know, the process that it followed for them is somehow universal. And um it's well, no, you shouldn't be feeling that way now. Or um, oh, you'll you'll get over that real fast, because I did. Just as it's not linear, it's not the same for everybody. And and you know, part of that grace that we can have toward others is is letting them grieve in the way that they need to grieve.

God Calls Us To Something New

SPEAKER_00 17:18

Yes. I don't know why that temptation is so strong to offer the shoulds and shouldn't to other people as they're facing grief. Oh, just just try this. It should work for you because it worked for me, or you should be feeling this by now, and why aren't you there? Or we do try to impose some timeline on it that you should be getting back to normal, and why aren't you in that spot? And maybe you've heard me say this before, but I don't think that grief uh is used by God to get us back to normal. If we were supposed to still have what wasn't normal, it would still be there. So God is always calling us to something new. We're not supposed to get back to that, we're supposed to learn from it and grow and allow it to serve some new purpose in our lives. So for other people to say you should be back to this or this other version of yourself runs contrary to what God is using the grief for.

SPEAKER_02 18:23

I like that. That's I do too.

SPEAKER_01 18:25

Uh although, like I I'll admit, I mean, I'm tearied up here too, because that is just it's hard. It's hard to think that our grief is is kind of like the next step where God wants to take us. And I mean, sometimes it's like, well, yeah, but I would much rather have this person back, is our our inclination and everything too. But yeah, what a beautiful way to say that.

SPEAKER_00 18:54

Yeah, it's much better than admitting perhaps the reality of the tantrums we throw. You know, but I don't want to, I don't want to go to someplace new. I liked things the way that they were. You know, adults still do that um in our own internal way. But you're right, it is for it is for a new purpose, call to something different. And God knows what that is, and we should be willing to follow him because he is good. He's good all the time.

unknown 19:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:28

You know, we mentioned um too earlier about the the book that you wrote on grief, and um, as you had mentioned too, you even wrote it before the loss of your husband. Can you just share some of the core messages or truth uh that you shared in your book and uh give us some of the the key details in it?

Purposeful Grieving And Psalm 13

SPEAKER_00 19:54

Absolutely. So that was a beautiful segue from what we were just talking about because the book the book is called Purposeful Grieving, Embracing God's Will in the Midst of Loss. And I based the whole book on Psalm 13, which is a very short six verses, but it moves from a place of wrestling with God and asking, How long will I feel this way and why is this happening? And and feeling almost distanced from God because of your grief, but slowly working your way toward understanding and appreciating his wisdom and everything, and saying, God is good to me, and I'm going to savor that place of being held by a loving God and rejoice that he has been good to me, even though it doesn't feel from an earthly perspective like good in the moment. He is using it for that good. So to step back as a Christian and day by day say, Lord, what are you calling me to through this grief and allow it to serve a purpose and know that it's going somewhere, even though we can't see the direction or predict where the ending point will be? It's taking a deep breath and letting that be okay one day at a time.

SPEAKER_01 21:20

Thank you for for sharing that. And and I think too, in the conference, um, you mentioned too, just maybe what a blessing it was in your life to have written that book before the loss of Nick. Um and then you had your own book on grief there.

SPEAKER_00 21:37

Yes, I did. Who gets to say that, right? Here you go, you're gonna need this over the next year. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 21:45

Yeah, I mean, uh just another example of God working and using that for sure.

Surprises: Peace And Body’s Response

SPEAKER_02 21:53

Yeah, I I know sometimes that you know, as a pastor, I'll I'll go back and you know look at a sermon I wrote or a devotion or or sometimes. Even just my things I wrote in my journals, like it's wow. I said that? What was the Holy Spirit doing with me then? Because that's pretty good. And I was like, wow, that's you know, I'm glad God gave me that so that it because I it's helping me now, even if I didn't realize it at the time.

SPEAKER_01 22:16

Was there anything about grief that that kind of shocked you when you went through it? I mean, as as Christians too, like we know, I mean, sounds like you've been a Christian your whole life, too. Um, and you know, so we we know that our walk in this world um isn't gonna be perfect. I mean, I remember hearing that from when I was a little girl, right? Like, you know, in this world you will have trouble, but take heart, I've overcome the world. And then you um are are struck with with loss, with, with grief. Was there anything about going through that that you thought, wow, this is different than I thought, or I didn't think it was gonna be like this? Anything that shocked you or surprised you from a Christian perspective?

Young Adults And Grief Awareness

SPEAKER_00 23:07

Yes. Two things I will share in response to that. The first from a spiritual perspective, the second is physical. So, from the spiritual perspective, as I mentioned before, God promises to give you that peace that passes all understanding. And that in a beautiful way surprised me to see God's grace and mercy woven through my life during that time. All of the ways He gave beautiful final moments with Nick to my kids, or had just the right verses there to comfort me and my kids when we needed them, uh, the right boost of of comfort, the right hymn, the sermon that hit my ears at just the time that I needed it. I mean, that's amazing. And and you can't predict that, you can't guess that it just unfolds for you as you're walking through the journey. So that side of God's care and attention to me was so deeply personal and in a a shocking way, a good shocking way. The physical side that I'll mention, I never anticipated that. Starting the two weeks before Nick passed, he had a doctor's appointment, and they told us in that appointment that they believed he had two weeks left to live. And it was exactly two weeks to the day from there. But hearing those words, my body started to freeze. I like I was physically so cold all the time. Just uh, I was in a constant state of shivering for those two weeks. It's almost like you know, you can divide your my the faith side, the soul side that knows he's going to heaven, and that's amazing. And I have that Christian comfort. There's the human side that says, Holy cow, I can't believe what's going on. And my body telling me you're about to lose your best friend, and we know something is off, and so to feel that constant chill, and I would have to bundle up in layers at night, and it was hard to sleep, and like cold, cold, icy fingers all the time. So that was very surprising to me. Like, where is this coming from? And it ended the day that Nick died. Then I wasn't cold anymore. And I remember running to our front porch. We have a school bell mounted there, and I rang the bell, imagining I was part of part of the celebration in heaven, rejoicing that he had made it home and I wanted to be part of that. It was still hard to sleep for a little while, but my body wasn't cold anymore, and that was a real surprise to me. I didn't expect that physical side of grieving or walking through that.

SPEAKER_02 26:21

I think kind of on that topic of surprise or things that are unanticipated, I you know, based on what I've seen and heard, I've I'm obviously not an expert on this or a scholar, but I I suspect that a lot of Christians, especially um younger ones, kind of operate with a a mentality that they're never going to have to face or experience grief. And so there's no point in thinking about it. They're not going to listen to this episode because, well, I, you know, that that that's so far off. That's other people's stuff. It's it's not mine. And so therefore, when it hits, they not only feel blindsided, but they they they feel like it could never have been anticipated. They they could never have uh understood that this is coming for them. You know, is that something that you've seen or observed in in other people? And if so, what what would be a good way to counter or guard against that kind of thinking?

The Church As A Lifeline

SPEAKER_00 27:13

I think that is a common mentality for a young person. You know, you're in your prime of life and you're feeling good, health is good, so you've got that feeling of being invincible, nothing could can touch me, though there are exceptions to every rule, right? And I could look at my own children and say, boy, they learned by the ages of 13, 11, and 7 that grief can strike at any time. I think about my work at WLC, and on the whole, those students would would believe they're also in their prime of life and going after their dreams, and uh life goes pretty smoothly for them. But every semester you've got the student who is struggling in some way or loses a parent or loses a good friend. Uh, I just had a a student whose parent attempted suicide the other day. It's like, oh, grief really can strike at any time, even in the life of a young person. But I think the more we're talking about it, like on this podcast, and at least offering the chance to think about it and say, here's hope for you when you need it. When grief strikes, here are things I want you to remember. Like the whole idea that God promises that peace, it will be there for you. You might not have been tested or needed it quite yet, but it will be there. I think if we could do a better job of encouraging sort of that building up in advance to understand God's peace, that that would be helpful.

SPEAKER_01 28:59

Yeah, one of the things you had mentioned too, I think briefly, was just how this idea like that we're not alone. And um, you know, sometimes when grief hits us and strikes us, there is a tendency to feel like no one knows what I'm going through, no one gets me, no one understands. And I think that's, you know, really where the church can step up and step in, I mean, um, and you know, just say, like, yeah, I mean, you're you're not alone. We're we're here with you, we're gonna help you through that. What were some of the ways maybe that your your church did that for you? And maybe what are some of the ways that churches can be there to support uh people that go through this?

How To Help The Right Way

SPEAKER_00 29:47

Yeah, that's an excellent question, thinking about how we can better serve along the way, not only freshly after grief, but in the months and even years to follow. Um, as I mentioned, I'm a member at Trinity in Waukesha, and not so much after COVID, but prior to that time, we had a steady group of women who would get together just for informal gatherings at somebody's house, but women of the congregation were invited to attend. And so the the main leaders of that group were very intentional while I was working toward uh through Nick's hospice time and especially after he had passed to make sure we had some of those and to get me there and give me a social outlet and make sure that I was okay. And that was really wonderful. I will also say my mom had a group that she was working with at the time, and they were kind of asking, Oh, what does she need and how can we help? And my mom had said, What is a necessary thing you need to do every day that you hate right now after Nick died? And I said, Well, that's a good that's a good, good thing to think about, and I went, school lunches. I just can't. I don't know why it struck me so terribly to have to pull together food and package it up before the school day. I didn't have the the capacity or the emotional resources to be so productive at that time. So she said, My group is gonna coordinate uh lunches. We're gonna drop them off at the beginning of the week. So each kid will have a lunch for the day. That was a huge lift of a burden. And again, I love the way she had phrased that question. What's a necessary thing for you that you hate doing right now? And then how can we step in and help you? So let's borrow that question maybe and see how we can do that for the people who are hurting around us.

SPEAKER_02 31:55

Yeah. That's that's just I'll have to remember that one.

Hope, Patience, And Presence With God

SPEAKER_01 32:00

As we uh kind of bring, you know, everything together to we kind of touch too on how people offer advice and the things they feel like we should be doing and that type of thing. What maybe would be your advice for people that do have a friend or a loved one experiencing grief, want to be there for that person, want to maybe say the right thing. Any advice as to maybe what should be said and shouldn't be said in a time of grief?

SPEAKER_00 32:32

Well, in terms of the shouldn't, let's take the category of should and shouldn't, right? And put them off to the side. So don't try to impose your own agenda or your assumed best practices on the person. I think if we took a more uh a curious approach toward the person, what do you need? What specifically could I pray for that would help you through these next couple of days? What is a burden that I could lift for you during this time? That that gives us something actionable, but it's asking how you could help rather than just assuming that what you want for them is what they need in that moment. You know, I remember growing up telling my kids uh help is only helpful if it really helps. So the coming through and cleaning the counter, but you're smearing stuff all over it as you're doing like you're trying to help, but it's not really what I need, or it's not actually productive in the moment. So I think if we channeled our curiosity and did a better job of asking, how can I help you? How can I be a good friend? And what can I pray for? We take really, really good strides at comforting the grieving.

Where To Find The Book

SPEAKER_01 34:01

Your story of grief, too, with with the loss of your husband, but also with um the other things you know you've encountered too. I mean, one might say, like, okay, that's kind of in the rear view mirror for you now. But I I mean, I know like with grief too, things usually um still can come up. So just like as you reflect now, a few years removed from all of it, what gives you hope and what encouragement would you offer to somebody that maybe still very much is in uh a season of intense grief?

SPEAKER_00 34:38

God gave me hope through his word. And to the person who's grieving, run to him, run to his word, hear it whenever you can, because God is there and wanting that time with you. He's wanting to hold your heart, he wants to lead you through to the next phase. So be there, chase him. He's following you with his goodness and mercy, and take that deep breath, let it happen. Why would you rush him through a time when his love and attention are so deeply personal to you? We should be celebrating that more. Like, oh God, his eye is on this sparrow, and let him do what he needs to do. Let me rest in that instead of we have a tendency to say, I want to rush through it, or I want to be over it, I want to be past it, because we frame and phrase all of those things so negatively. Grieving has such a negative connotation to it for so many people. Tears and sadness, we often frown on that socially, like, oh, we don't want to cry in front of other people, we don't want to be the burden. Let's reframe all of that and try to see it more from God's perspective of cultivating uh a soul that he loves into something more perfectly suited to his work.

Closing And Listener Resources

SPEAKER_02 36:11

I I'd like to think that um lots of people listening to this podcast will say, boy, that that that book she mentioned, um, I I think I could use that, or, or somebody I know might be, or maybe it's just something I should have available for for some future time. Um, where would they find this book? Yeah, what's it called, and uh what name would they like look at or find under it?

SPEAKER_00 36:35

Yes. So the book is called Purposeful Grieving, and even if you just search for that title, you'd likely find it. But Purposeful Grieving, Embracing God's Plan in the Midst of Loss. You can find it at Northwestern Publishing House, which is the first place I would send you to find it. Uh, it is also available on Amazon. The one thing you should know is my last name was different when I wrote that book. So it's written under the name Stacy Hale, H-O-E-H-L, as opposed to Jansen.

SPEAKER_01 37:09

Thank you so much for joining us today. We really appreciate it. And we we just thank you for your time. Yes, very much.

SPEAKER_00 37:19

You're so welcome. It was a blessing to be here with you.

SPEAKER_01 37:22

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