Psychic Babes

Spirit Keeping With Sorcerer Papa Hood

August 13, 2019 Kirsten Sandefur Season 1 Episode 10
Psychic Babes
Spirit Keeping With Sorcerer Papa Hood
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Psychic Babes
Spirit Keeping With Sorcerer Papa Hood
Aug 13, 2019 Season 1 Episode 10
Kirsten Sandefur

There has been a lot of debate over whether spirit keeping is slavery, but when done by an ethical conjurer spirit keeping is indeed a safe, mutual agreement the conjurer makes on behalf of the person who will be the keeper that can provide guidance, mentoring, magickal help and companionship.  Join the 0.001% of people who are keeping spirits to help them advance in their skills.  That being said, this is a responsibility that must not be entered into lightly.  If you do not feel the calling to participate, you might want to work on your skills first.  If you have been guided to hear this podcast, you are likely being called and should meditate about this.

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There has been a lot of debate over whether spirit keeping is slavery, but when done by an ethical conjurer spirit keeping is indeed a safe, mutual agreement the conjurer makes on behalf of the person who will be the keeper that can provide guidance, mentoring, magickal help and companionship.  Join the 0.001% of people who are keeping spirits to help them advance in their skills.  That being said, this is a responsibility that must not be entered into lightly.  If you do not feel the calling to participate, you might want to work on your skills first.  If you have been guided to hear this podcast, you are likely being called and should meditate about this.

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spk_1:   0:00
Hi, guys. Welcome to Psychic Bates. I am your host, Carson Sandefur. Welcome to another wonderful addition today. I know I say this every time, but this episode is going to below your socks off first because nobody's done anything like this before. And second, because everybody's gonna want to be doing it after they hear about this episode. So today I have a pop of hood. Hey, Joe is he owns a shop called Papa Hood Sorcery. You can check him out at www dot papa hood sorcery dot com, and what he does is it's called spirit keeping, and we'll get into that. He does, among many other things, but we'll get into that here in just a minute. But he has a Facebook page is, Well, um, he has a group called the Thorny Path Magic and Spell Craft, and he's been practicing sorcery for many forms for the last 15 plus years. He's a studied a variety of topics, from juror Drea, one of my favorites and Nordic magic to necromancy and Tibetan spirituality, which he was just telling me about a minute ago. Soon super interesting. And his primary path is as a necromancer as so, you know, dealing with the Datin standing between the world of flash and the world of the spirits. So he's also known by a spiritual name Naga. Loki, Shiven off Under which he acts, is the tantric high priest of the Grand Naga Order as well as he authors, his own books and his first work, this spirit work primer you should pick it up is available on Amazon. And it's really a great guide, you know, two for the complete beginner to show you proficiency with spirit based magic. And I know a lot of you guys have asked me about that. Like, where can I get a book? You know, that just kind of covers the basics for a dizzy. Well, when spear when it comes to spirit based magic, you're gonna wanna you're gonna want to look for his book. So the spirit work primer So welcome, Papa Hood. I'm so excited to have you.

spk_0:   2:12
Thank you. I'm excited to be here.

spk_1:   2:15
Thank you, Sam. Everybody's gonna want to know this. What? I apologize, guys. I have a little bit of a cold, so if I sound a little, you know, you don't know what but What is spirit keeping

spk_0:   2:30
spirit keeping please been compared to a lot of things. In my experience, Some people treat it like Pokemon, where you got to catch them all. Some people treat it like, oh, not slavery per se, but

spk_1:   2:51
well, I think a lot of people think it's slavery. They think you're binding, you know, entities and against their will

spk_0:   2:58
or sore and, uh and well, we can get into that. But it's more like keeping pets. But to me, the way I look at it is you know, the first verifiable recordable form of magic was shamanism, and shaman is my pardon.

spk_1:   3:16
I said Yes, it Waas

spk_0:   3:18
and shamanism is a very animistic form of magic. Basically, you believe that everything has a spirit from from the smallest rock to the largest land mast and shamans were known to build alliances with these spirits and use those for their word. The shaman himself didn't do much direct magic. All of his ritual was meant to call upon a peas and, uh, work through the spirits of the spirits of the healing. And that's kind of the view I take on shamanism. Arriving on spirit keeping is that you are essentially connecting to the spirits in your area. Or, you know, in some cases the spirits that have been conjured for you and you are working with them and a mutually beneficial relationship. So to sum that up, I guess I would say that spirit keeping is maintaining a relationship with a non physical being that is beneficial for both of you.

spk_1:   4:18
So I think that's probably gonna That's it. That was a great definition, by the way. But I think it might confuse some people. They're going to say, OK, well, how you know, how do you do that? How do you maintain a relationship? What if I'm not psychic? What if I can't feel the energy around? You know what? If I don't know if, what if something's in the vessel, are not,

spk_0:   4:38
You know, that's that's Ah, that's tough when that's when we get a lot, you know, as as a professional, one of the big questions I get it is, you know, Hey, I got this. Can you tell me if something's in it? And as a professional courtesy, I tend not to do that because I don't want to either a moment find another cellar by saying, you know, Oh, no, this vessel's empty. You got cheated or, you know, be hurt. Their feelings say no, that's it's there. You just can't sense it. Oh,

spk_1:   5:06
that's I love that. You know what? I think So many people nowadays tend to talk bad about other other sellers, especially when it comes to spirit keeping. I found a lot of that, and I think it's really neat that you don't take that. You know, that approach that I think that really that really stands out. And I'm I could just say for myself, Um, I stumbled upon a different website before I found Papa Hood and I d'oh isn't guys will know I did my research. So you know, I did a ton of research before I stomp upon him, and then every single person that you know had left to review had said Wow. I mean, I can really feel my entity. I mean, it's just it's amazing. Some even said that they manifested to them, you know, and some people who were saying like, you know, I didn't even know my third eye was open. Um, you know, we're able to sense it and help them work through things. And you know whether it's Ah and we'll get into this in a minute, whether you know it's an angel spirit or if it's a neutral spirit, whatever they could, you know they could sense the energy, which which says a lot it does, because I know some of the other ones don't have that reputation and I could not find I tell you what I tried. I could not find one negative review,

spk_0:   6:31
you know, honestly, that boost my ego. I do spend everything out, and then I jump on the Internet and group will myself just to see if anyone's had anything negative to say about me. So far, nothing's popped up. You know, you never know. And some people may be dissatisfied, um,

spk_1:   6:47
that ever wear, you know, But

spk_0:   6:50
we're and you know, I've even seen, like, my favorite thing that I saw. It's a whole long thing. Basically, someone had made a slander post, and, uh, one person commented, So no one of my clients said that he's wasted $3000 with Papa Hood, and I stopped bought like I haven't had a client spend senior Li $1000

spk_1:   7:14
You're like our wrong papa,

spk_0:   7:17
you know? And I'm sure that there may be people have had less than pleasant experience. There are less than positive experiences. But I I also like to, you know, I tell everybody. Hey, if if it's even in my policies, if you're dissatisfied due to the nature of what we do, I can't offer a refund because, you know, you could easily get a spirit that you love and then say, Oh, I didn't get anything, give my money back. But I I worked to make sure that by the time we're done, they are satisfied one way or the other. Yeah.

spk_1:   7:49
You keep working with them and with the conjure and to make sure it's stronger and that Yeah, I got that stood out to me too. Mm. I know a lot of people are gonna ask me this. Is it safe?

spk_0:   8:02
Oh, absolutely. You know, obviously there are dangerous spirits, you know, and that's another aspect of my work. That I do is if someone has just had a run of bad luck. You know what? Things just started going wrong. We'll do a reading or a journey or whatever. And typically we find it, You know, as most people do, you somehow think that this spirit of that one in there wreaking havoc and then you could be a peas, Um, which against come comes like shamanism from. But there are also spirits that specifically are recommended for keeping because they can be overwhelming. They could be dangerous

spk_1:   8:40
black, arch, like black art spirits and, well, even those have a place, I guess, and things. And and I'll get to that in a minute. But so white are still just go ahead and tell you guys, and you may have a different definition of it, but her my understanding and what I know is white arts is it's pretty much, you know, like the angelic round, some of the angels elves. What? Maybe not elves, even. But, um, you know, unicorns, things of that nature. I'm really kind of right mild mannered, um, things that don't They wouldn't do you any harm. Is that correct?

spk_0:   9:17
You know, I like we discussed earlier. I typically don't use the art system. I feel it's not entirely accurate because all spirits are capable of great good and great evil. But speaking, you know anything that's termed White Arts by the conjure, you know, by even by yourself would be something that may be capable of harm. But that's not exploit. Like you said, Angels and certain healing spirits, things like that. They can calls, But they're

spk_1:   9:50
sure this ovation stuff like that, you know, and then knocking magic. You learn that, you know, not all angels were I mean, you know, they not that their deceptive but you know, they can be vary the way they teach lessons is yeah, it's

spk_0:   10:07
a great example. This used angels is the archangel Michael. You know, everybody knows they're, you know, at least can easily find the record of Michael the Archangel toe protect me from evil. What? Not in this instance. He's acting in the white arts capacity. He's not letting harm come to you. However, I also know people who for for fun will go and challenge Arcangel to basically an energetic contest duel for say, uh, you know, Michael, I'm extremely fierce. Now he he's He's a warrior, you know? So he is capable of these things. He just doesn't you know, for taking them that often unless he has to. And that's to me. That's what differentiates a quote unquote wide arts. Being from a dark arts were a black arts being. Yeah, well, I could get speaking, would have, ah, life purpose to cause harm. You know, Uh, whereas a wide arts painting would have a life purpose to heal and protect and guard

spk_1:   11:05
and she might see my understanding, I guess I was taught a little different. Dark arts would be basically like a human. They have. They have the power to choose, right or wrong, And then dark arts is our sorry black arts is specifically, you know, they're just out to cause harms like a race. Even I befriend who has a rate, which is dark arts. But it protects her and has done some things for her. Somebody, uh, somebody wrecked, um, wrecked her car, took off in her car, stolen, wrecked it. And, uh, yeah, let's just say let's just say, uh, it didn't end well for that guy.

spk_0:   11:47
And, you know, we talked about a certain company earlier. I won't name my name. Um, and typically, their stuff is subpar, per se, But one of the things that I have had from them, you know, because I I sample here in there. I had a rate myself, and that was about the only thing that I've worked with from this particular conjurer that had a real a real strength, too.

spk_1:   12:16
Yeah, Yeah. Raise. I mean, I'm terrified of them. Actually, I would never I would never have one in my home. Just, uh, because you hear about him, it's like, Whoa, just give you the chills. But But there are some things like I was telling you earlier, vampires and things like that, Like I'm attracted to, You know, certain sides of the of the dark arts. But if you will. So what would you recommend to a beginner? A beginner in spirit?

spk_0:   12:48
That's a tough one. A lot of it comes down to individual nature as well. It's just straight out. What? You what you can handle. You know, energy.

spk_1:   12:57
Let's say somebody is completely new to magic, Really. I mean, they're very much a novice. They're interested in it, and they think Okay, I wanted to, you know, see what this is all about. The spirit keeping, um what would you recommend? A unicorn dragon?

spk_0:   13:15
An absolute complete beginner who's never done this. And just, you know, said, you know, I want to give it a try, right? Honestly, my primary beginner recommendation would probably something along the lines of the dragon because they are very there. They were very strong, fierce energy. But they're also more, uh, they're stable for, say they don't. They can be aggressed, but they're not aggressive towards their keepers, If that makes sense,

spk_1:   13:45
yes. What? I've heard unicorns even as well. And they can be very temperamental at times

spk_0:   13:52
they can. I personally don't do with uniforms that much simply because, you know that's it's not my speed,

spk_1:   14:00
right? Right.

spk_0:   14:02
Commands are by nature. So anything that I've never

spk_1:   14:05
told you when I first went first e mail, dear, I'm like, I don't want a unicorn. Oh,

spk_0:   14:10
yeah, absolutely. I mean, if that's if that's your thing, You know, by all means, I've heard great things about you. In fact, in my shop I've got a unicorn master attunement, which is specifically designed to assist you with, well, all sorts of thing. I think I can go the whole spiel about it, but it boils down to it is the essence of the power so that you can you can commune better with them. You can feel their energy, conjure some forth, etcetera, etcetera. All right, so I'm not opposed to them. I just You know, I have more of a taste for the darker things in life as it were.

spk_1:   14:45
Okay? Yeah, definitely. Um, okay, So what about for novels? What would you recommend for a non Somebody Somebody that's interested in it has definitely done their theory. Research. It's got about, you know, one or two years under their belt. What would you say?

spk_0:   15:04
I personally have a flair for Jin from from mild experience. It all the way to advance depending on the gym that you work with and your personal essence. The jinn are a fantastic race of beings to deal with. Um, there are some tribes that are best to avoid unless you absolutely know what you're doing. Like e freed that they can be. They can be overbearing that given you lean towards malicious. And there's actually a specific. Yeah, exactly. And there's even a specific, uh, sub tribe, I guess within the track of the jinn called a Tall wall and these they're not beings that are conjured. And in that manner. They are evoked for ritual.

spk_1:   15:56
Okay, So, like, you get a portal to them, Basically.

spk_0:   15:59
Oh, I would not offer these to anyone in my shop, because they are. They're the 72 gin the demons of the gladiators were based on except

spk_1:   16:10
fantastic. Okay,

spk_0:   16:13
I accept where the Goa idea has some more beneficial purposes. Every single one of the 72 tall wall are specifically made for destruction of your enemies.

spk_1:   16:24
Yep. Yep, they are. Wow. Okay, um, So what would you recommend to a child? Because I have a three year old, and I know some people are going to go. Oh, my gosh. You're terrible. Mother. Why would you do this? But my daughter is very advanced, and she has skills, premonition and things like that. And she, you know, she talks to things that aren't there. And so I already know she's having, you know, experiences, because I had them, too. And so I want to get something that's not at all the injuries. But you know, that I can keep an eye on, and that when she wants toe, I wouldn't bind it to her. But you know something that she could, um learn through

spk_0:   17:11
honestly for a child, especially one that age, I would go more with, like a carrying fate type creature specific types, of course. Nature, spirits, animal totems, things that they would naturally encounter anyways.

spk_1:   17:24
Funny she loves. She loves fairies and gnome. She has a fairy garden, and then she has a gnome garden, so she always goes out and talks to her fairies in her gnomes. So

spk_0:   17:36
a lesser known fact about me is that, you know, I grew up in the Southeast United States and what is called globally the Bible Belt. And there's a history that goes along with my life here. But, uh, you know, it was hard to find any mentors coming up which I found later in life.

spk_1:   17:56
Tell me about that. I grew. I grew up Catholic, and then I converted LDS. And now I'm just not religious. So

spk_0:   18:07
me and me and religion have a tense relationship.

spk_1:   18:11
Same here. Same here

spk_0:   18:13
because I grew up here. I had no mentors. I had to learn everything from books. First books I got was by Sarona night. It's called Fairy Magic. And it was specifically with dealing with the faithful offerings for them magic with them, that sort of thing. And that's a lot of where my foundation came from. Um, and I've found they are There are some malicious faith, like the red caps, but a lot of them are very easygoing. They tend to like Children. Some sometimes, you know, in the case of changelings, they like them so much, they like to take them back home. Good.

spk_1:   18:49
Yeah, I've heard about that when I lived in Ireland. In fact, um, my ex boyfriend back then his mother, they had a fairy in their house, and they were always very particular about Okay, we have to leave this out for them. And, you know, I always leave something after dinner, and, you know, it was it was very cute, but in Ireland, they're very, very strong belief in fairies. And it's not just, um, you know, one or two people. It's like almost everybody you know, knows has had an experience with phase out there. So

spk_0:   19:24
actually had a former student from Scotland no longer connection of mine. Thank the gods, But he wasn't in Ireland. He was in Scotland, but still in a lot of that belief system pervaded his belief system. So I know a little bit about how

spk_1:   19:42
Yeah, yeah, I mean, and a lot of them have different misconceptions about things, and you have to kind of take it with a grain of salt. But I do think it's interesting, because here, people don't believe if you look a TTE, you know, you tell somebody there's a ferry in your garden there going, Ah, where do we need to check into the next psychic? Your psychiatric institute. So

spk_0:   20:04
and that's one of the big is complaints that I have in Western Magic is we have materialized everything so much that we completely missed the point, you know? Oh, my third eye is closed. Your third eye's not closed. You just have consciously suppressed it to the point that you don't acknowledge what you see your sense.

spk_1:   20:23
So I love that. I'm gonna have thio gonna use that quote, if you don't mind. I love that

spk_0:   20:29
you go for Yeah, you basically subconsciously subvert yourself. So a lot of people from the West that get spirits conjure like Well, I I can't I can't sense it. You can. You just haven't been able to open that connection that you haven't gotten past the materialism that's been bred into you since you were a toddler. So

spk_1:   20:49
yeah, for me. Um, you know, after I had a bad experience, Um, I kind of, you know, stopped meditating things like that for a while, but I just had to really sit in silence and truly quieten your mind and just noticing everything around you. That's how you start to notice spirits for me. Yeah. Um what say what? What would you recommend or actually, how would you explain binding a spear to yourself or bridging or binding it to a vessel? And what would you recommend?

spk_0:   21:29
Um, you know, you can You can blame this on my training's like, you know, I was once I found a mentor. I was very formally trained. But even before that, I stuck to materials that were both grounded. Had good reviews, etcetera, etcetera. So to me, binding is respecting. It's limiting. So if I bind you, then typically I'm keeping you from being able to do something most commonly caused farm. I I used the word binding on my web site because it's, you know, is what people recognise acknowledge that air in the community. But for myself, I refer to is bonding more or less

spk_1:   22:04
that okay

spk_0:   22:06
And what it iss So let's say I were to conjure of being for you. Well, let's go with

spk_1:   22:14
you're going to. So that's what everybody doesn't know yet. At the end, we're going to decide what he's gonna do a custom conjuring for me, and we're gonna do a part too. So sorry. Go ahead now.

spk_0:   22:26
Oh, no problem. Um, and more of this. I hope you understand the process a little bit more, so I'll go through my consolation, whatever. Whatever great of Conjure you get is gonna determine how intense this is. What I would call that being fourth in somewhere another and I will present you with your energy, and I will make sure it's synchronised IQ. And then I will contact you and say, Hey, this is what it's come through. Are you okay with it? Etcetera, etcetera. And if you acquiesce to that's being, then I will essentially. Do you have any experience in breaking? You know how the two of

spk_1:   23:01
you breaking him, huh? Yeah.

spk_0:   23:03
So it's like that and you'll be a tunes. That spirit. It'll it'll it'll mess its energy with yours so that you can feel it more directly.

spk_1:   23:10
Ah, that's interesting. So it's like getting in attunement,

spk_0:   23:14
but basically yes. And then that's also part of my training. Basically, we work a lot on a two mints and initiation. So that's I found. They're effective, and that's the best way I've gotten to connect the sphere to another person.

spk_1:   23:28
Fantastic. Well, that that sounds awesome, cause that makes complete sense to me, because I've always kind of thought, Oh, this is so mysterious, how they do in the conjuring and then how's it So basically, it's binding. It's bound to yourself, but are not not bond bonding to yourself, right, right instead of to a vessel?

spk_0:   23:51
Yes, now I can. If you prefer a vessel. Once the introduction is done, they won't live in. You know I can't fit a spirit inside a tiny rock. You know, it's just

spk_1:   24:02
it's not Yeah,

spk_0:   24:04
but they are bonded to that vessels so that it's ah, it's a very, very, very, very scaled down version of a Spirit House where all it is an anchor to this world from them. And then once you have that vessel you can put it wherever you do. Whatever. It's still gonna be bonded to you regardless. But when I do my vessels, I set him up so that they immediately bond to their owner. Well,

spk_1:   24:29
what is there any? Is there any, um, I guess Downfalls thio bonding it to yourself?

spk_0:   24:37
Um, you know, in my experience, the primary downfall is if people like to get hundreds or even in some cases, thousands of different beings easily lose track of who and what where? Why? And then it becomes a hat, you know? Hey, you know, I get emails. Hate you, Bond, that you conjure the spirit for me. Can you remember anything about it? But I also know I deal with so many clients, and I don't keep records out of a matter of space. Honestly. So, no, I don't know, like 100 for you. That's kind of your responsibility. That is, if you get a bunch of vessels on, you have to wait for me to ship it, which can take five days for me to prepare work and take two and 1/2 half weeks, depending on my schedule. So

spk_1:   25:25
let's say, because we're going to do this tonight, Toe where we decide on an entity and then orders here. And then how long does it typically take the process? Until you know, you get in contact with me and say, Hey, this is what came up.

spk_0:   25:42
Well, that depends. A grave one. My load Lis grade conjure is some liken contract right now. If you say, hey, I want a vampire. I can have one here like that. Yeah, all the way up. Thio. Great. Five, I think is

spk_1:   25:58
great. Five?

spk_0:   25:59
Yes. Um, on And it's a bit of a difference system. Um, and I've got a kind of laid out on the spiritual companions page of my website. Great. Five is the one that you

spk_1:   26:13
pretty much the highest yet

spk_0:   26:15
why you can have it on effect on the spiritual world can't guarantee in effect because you can't guarantee anything imagined possible law, but it can have ah, physical effect on your reality in ways like moving things around making noises. In fact, we conjured 11 time that the moment the official binding ritual was completely went that sat down, checked our email and, uh, we had an email in from the client that came in a minute ago and said, Hey,

spk_1:   26:43
you It was

spk_0:   26:45
like something was like, Hey, you know what? Have you done my spirit yet? Because I've suddenly started hearing music playing while I was in the shower.

spk_1:   26:54
So funny. Yeah. So, yeah. For those of you who aren't familiar greats Grade one to Grade five, basically, And Ben Excuse me, Grade five is pretty much the highest. And that just means intensity.

spk_0:   27:07
Sound live to get to that level of of interaction that great five will take, you know, 3 to 5, maybe even seven days of actual ritual right through all the circle, like candles make calls. You know, it's an intense process.

spk_1:   27:22
Yes, yes. And so all of years, they're pretty much custom conjures an right. You don't just I didn't like that other website. We talked about where they just, you know, here so and so spirit. She's called seven, you know, and she's called, said Neil, and she's got brown hair. Anybody wanna buy her like you don't do yours like that, do you?

spk_0:   27:44
I do what I have in the past. My experience will, that is, you know, some people like that and I get that. They just want to go and say that Sounds like what I need. Let me grab your Yeah, it's a quick process of Oh, I I've got this I'll send it out to but typically speaking in my experience especially, and with several people I deal with, they will come and say, Hey, this is Mary. This is what I've got going on. This is what I'm looking for. Can you find something that matches? And then we can nail down to the minute this detail of, you know, this fits every specifications. No. Yeah. Plus, it just doesn't feel fair to me to have 100 being sitting around, waiting to go somewhere.

spk_1:   28:29
Yeah, that doesn't doesn't really feel fair to me either. I think that would be, you know, the nicest thing. I mean, even though it's not slavery, like some people think, you know, But But I mean, in some cases, actually, I know you don't do this, but people D'oh take entities against our will. Correct?

spk_0:   28:49
It is possible, and I'm even capable of doing it. I just don't do that sort of thing for plants. But I have heard of such things being done. And in those cases, you you find out pretty quick if you have a spirited and consent to be there. All right. And then there are other cases. I know of where someone has has falsified information and not told us the whole story. And then a month later Hey, this isn't working out. This is going on. Uh, and, you know, it's I I know I already have picked up on this the spirits before. It's not half the we're going to recall it. We can send you another one. That's only had to happen one time that I'm aware of, but it has happened.

spk_1:   29:31
Oh, wow. Well, so what is the difference between a living entity and a spirit entity?

spk_0:   29:39
Um, you know, I don't really use these terms of myself because I'm kind of a grammar free, and the definition of industry and spirit is essentially the same thing.

spk_1:   29:52
Okay, Yes, I just read this on it on a different site that excuse me that they were calling a living entity as one that grows and you know and involves. It has their own life, basically, while they live with you. But the spirit entity, they described as staying with you all the time, basically coming at your beck and call, and they felt grow or die or age or anything.

spk_0:   30:19
And in that case, it's everything that I conjured would classify as an entity because I deal with beings that typically they they want to be conjured because they feel like you've been awful life experiences that they haven't had yet or, you know, they have a purpose. Yeah, exact. Um, the exception to that rule is because I am a necromancer. We do deal with the dead, you know, spirit of deceased humans or even zombies, to some extent, would classify a spirit. In that respect.

spk_1:   30:55
Zombies is a real thing to you. Can you can come to zombies,

spk_0:   31:00
conjure create. You know, I because one of my traditions is Is the Haitian voodoo

spk_1:   31:06
have? Yeah, I studied it well, so

spk_0:   31:10
I'm aware of the actual process for his amplification. I know the rituals, the powers. I don't know all that. I just don't use it because I don't I don't have a reason or a way to hear. And number two it's extremely unethical, even for me. Yeah, useful as what we referred to his astral zombies, which are basically spirits there. Two ways to go about that one is to just conjure a human spirit and call it a zombie. The other it's to conjure human spirit. And you combine that with the idea of the service, or feed them energy and turn them into, uh, well, that you would see as a zombie.

spk_1:   31:46
Oh, wow. Okay, Yeah. I was gonna ask you about Sir Vitoria's. Do you? Do you do that as well? Because basically, I thought server towards were kind of, like, thoughtful. Sure, you know, that basically just went out and did your bidding. Kind of

spk_0:   31:59
they are in there. Aren't, um, serviceable platform Are synonyms? Yes. Synonyms, you know? Yeah. Servant or thought form. Construct all these air. Just energy that you've collected and given a purpose. But I actually do more service worse than I do spirit conjuring because, you know, he's a while even greater degree of of, uh, customization. So if you live in a place where you can't really have ah, you know, if your spirit says, hey, I would like to take a walk and you can't really do that. Then you know you've gotta figure out a way to deal with that had to be eight with the instructions that say, Hey, you know, you you don't do this basically because I have a lot of clients who don't really want to deal with the relationship aspect. They essentially want a program to do what they tell him to do, and a servant will be made that way because they don't have a consciousness. They don't care whether or not they're just used as tools.

spk_1:   33:03
All right, I I do want to be sure that all my listeners understand this is a responsibility, guys, it's kind of like having a kid, you know, you you have to take care of it. You have to nurture it and nurture the relationship. And you can probably tell me more public. But I don't know if they get angry with you if you don't, but you do have to take it seriously.

spk_0:   33:27
Oh, that's a fact that that's a fact, Um, with spirits or entities or however you wish to refer to him. They are their own creature. They are their own person. In fact, uh, we we've ran some tests. I've got another cellar that has his own shop and he doesn't think all the soul sword and as the name would imply. The primary requirement for this is to have a soul and spirit. Sorry to to use this technique server tours can, too. But they have to be specially created. There's all about two people that can make service was capable of that. That's me and one other person.

spk_1:   34:05
Oh, wow, that's very interesting.

spk_0:   34:09
Use a difficult process to do.

spk_1:   34:13
How did you learn this,

spk_0:   34:15
huh? Years and years of training. Um, my my friend, that has a shot. What is mentioned were basically blood brothers on everything except biology. And we met several years ago. So whole long story. But we started working together and turn before we Griffis. We're professionals. We just messed around at fun, but not. But our mantra was meditate longer in training harder. If you run into a problem and you can't solve it with meditation, you to train harder. And if you can't solve it with training, you need to meditate longer.

spk_1:   34:52
I like I'm gonna take I'm just still that 1 to 1. Just deal in all kinds of stuff from you today. Meditate longer and train harder.

spk_0:   35:01
But we do a lot of experimentation. Yeah, so, like the first time I made a servant or intestine soul sword, it wasn't capable of doing it because it didn't have its own soul. I had to find a way to create an artificial soul. And it's it's the whole thing, really. But what it boils down to is we tested. And for everything that I've succeeded in, everything is listed in the shop. I failed 1000 times to try and do

spk_1:   35:26
where So can you. Can you find a more bond alien life forms

spk_0:   35:35
if they are consensual? Yes, but I have found is that a lot of the view on on alien life forms is both very correct and very incorrect. Because there are, You know, everyone says, Oh, you know, they're all light and fluffy are here to help us. We'll know most of you, and then everybody you know, other people will say, Oh, there's a dangerous there. These evil beings. No, that's not correct. Fighter, you know, just

spk_1:   36:01
like humans. Yes.

spk_0:   36:04
Oh, so I

spk_1:   36:06
agree. They're kind of They're like humans. Just like you wouldn't leave your door open. You know, for every Tom, dick and Harry to come in your house, you wouldn't do that with the spirit World would have any kind of, you know, you have to be careful and used a sermon.

spk_0:   36:20
Exactly. And alien director terrestrials. Lady calm when I call him, they're they're different, but they're similar because they are an entirely different thing than spirits themselves. They, you know, they they are a different keeping experience entirely.

spk_1:   36:39
Have you done? Have you done them before for people? And have they worked out well, are

spk_0:   36:43
a precious small handful I think can count on one hand the number of times I've done it. One did not work out so well. The client had different expectations than were actually, you know, Paul possible She wanted to contact the aliens and their special hidden technologies and whatnot. And the alien and I both tried to relate the fact that, you know, these technologies are definitely possible, that we may have them, But just like earth, technology wouldn't necessarily translate their technology, which are understanding either. So while a cell phone may be a simple matter to us, they may not have that technology, but they have other things. So she wasn't necessarily satisfied. One

spk_1:   37:34
that they kind of choose us, right? I mean, they kind of choose who they wish to communicate with, and they're very picky about. That's for my understanding,

spk_0:   37:43
but pretty much. Yeah. And And I've had experiences like that to where, you know, actually the same person. I was trying to get into contact with the extraterrestrials through the use of the demons to go India, Three locations and every demon that I contacted pretty much said, Listen, we're not We're not here to force this connection. We're not here to make something happen that is not meant to happen. So Oh, you're kind of out of luck.

spk_1:   38:10
Yeah. No, I mean, have you traveled all over the world and, you know, met with different people who have kind of show do different things and things like that? Or is it just all been you doing trial and error?

spk_0:   38:22
Oh, I wish. I I wish I have been to Brazil a few times. Got some. The whole experience was experiences with Macoumba and Qimonda. But that's about as far as that's when everything else has been trialling aRer meeting with mentors, both online in person and a lot of working things out on my own. Oh, and what's interesting is my my body was the same way. You know, He's met a lot of people online, a few people in person, and that was how his his training was conducted. And what we found later in life was we've got more connected and explored more. Is that all of the things we discovered on our own? Or actually, you know, this is Saul of ancient techniques.

spk_1:   39:06
Yeah, it's funny. You got to get your hands dirty. You really have to do it yourself. I've learned that you can know you can read all the theory in the world, but until you do it and you get out there and you actually, you know, get your hands dirty you're not really going to get it. Yeah,

spk_0:   39:22
Here's an interesting fact for you. If you want Thio really get in debt. Listen, some metaphysical concepts could watch enemy, you know, Japanese cartoons, they So, for instance, full metal album. This is a very popular when they really recently did a live action movie on Netflix. And if you watch the show and look at the symbols. They're actually using alchemical symbols and, you know, ancient magic circles. Granted, they're not using the Bakaly, but they're presenting actual stuff. Another hand is, ah, real popular in this Dragon Ball Z. Everybody knows love.

spk_1:   40:00
Yeah, I've heard about that one. Well, I will. I will definitely send you. That'll help me kind of developed my

spk_0:   40:09
It will give you some ideas for training. One Dragon Ball Z is is focused on Qi energy generating decking and obviously in a very fantastical setting. But you get into the more recent Siri's Dragon Ball super, there's Ah, there's a point in there where one of the characters is teaching other one to go super, saying essentially a expand their energy and become even stronger. And he tells her to focus on the tingle ear area at the back of her neck.

spk_1:   40:44
It's funny, yeah,

spk_0:   40:46
people, the fans that were just watching it toe watch it. We're angry and like, well, that doesn't make any sense, you know, in the past, it's triggered by emotion, doesn't know

spk_1:   40:54
that's where channeling comes in. For me, that's what's funny,

spk_0:   40:58
Union said. There's a There's a place there called the Gate of the mind's eye or something like that is important interest handling. But this one a a martial arts master actually sat down on the YouTube channel and explain What they're doing is they're actually focusing on the dance. He ends the three energy, and

spk_1:   41:20
that's your

spk_0:   41:21
comeback. Throat is aligned with the heart Don t in the middle don t n, which is seat of emotion. So they were still using a motion, but they were doing in a more scientific approach to it. A more accurate quote. Oh

spk_1:   41:35
Chee, energy is some of the coolest stuff ever. I mean, I've seen people learn, you know, glow in the dark from using CCI energy, and it's it's powerful stuff.

spk_0:   41:49
Oh, yeah, nine thought. That's a lot of what I use in my magic is I'll draw the circles and then I'll empowering directly mon key and, you know, build him up that way instead of the old you know, which is ruined. Dancing circles, etcetera, etcetera along with those methods are you know, I my body is tired. E don't have time for that.

spk_1:   42:13
Uh, yeah. So what is your process, if you can I know you can't give me the secret, but of have bonding a spirit. Um, like what? What exactly kind of do you do to bring their energy about? You just met Tate and listen and or any How do you take somebody's energy signature and match that up if you can? No. Without giving away too much,

spk_0:   42:36
I'm or real a few trade secrets here. And with what I'm about to give away, you can indeed perform your own conjugation. It is very possible, Uh, not my process, of course, but, you know, a process I do beginning meditation just to get myself relax, centred, grounded. And I focus on the individual that I'm conjuring for and, uh, you know, energy signatures there specific to a person. Yeah. So I will replicate that that signature inside a cheeseball, and then I will carry that with me to an astral temple that I

spk_1:   43:11
have Okay, that place that you've created for your magical work.

spk_0:   43:18
Exactly. Because I used to travel a lot around United States for various purposes, and I couldn't always take a full altered with me. So I created this temple, um, which and it can be rearranged. It could be a temporary thing but you get more power. If you maintain a singular image down to the point that I would I wouldn't just make statues and drawings appear, I would go through the motions of bringing them in, drawing them out whatever to make them more riel.

spk_1:   43:48
Yeah, one of my teachers has us doing that. Right now. We're all building a community, you know, in the Astros, Um, and seeing who adds what on and stuff and not telling each other. But, you know, and then and then doing the big reveal at the end. And it's really interesting.

spk_0:   44:05
That is interesting.

spk_1:   44:09
It's cool. And then I absolutely love energy work.

spk_0:   44:14
My wife is learning energy working and the key arts and all that. And that's the next thing. We're focusing on his astral projection, so

spk_1:   44:22
really, have you have you done that? That's one thing I cannot get down yet. Astral projecting. I can work in the Astros and create my own space, but I can't, you know, astral project in my dreams. Like,

spk_0:   44:37
um, well, dream walking is an entire different classes. It's it's similar, but it's a lot more difficult, simple because of the lack of control. But That's what makes it more powerful. Yeah, you know, I'm capable of it. I'm sure she will get there because she's extremely capable O. But it's just a step beyond what you're doing. You know, you just push yourself out.

spk_1:   45:02
So then you take you take yourself And you you put yourself in your magical place in the astral room and you concentrate on the energy signature on their energy signature, and then you basically kind of wait to see what comes.

spk_0:   45:16
Oh, essentially, Yes. Um, I take and I have a have a gateway built in to this, uh, this temple I've got and I will

spk_1:   45:26
put a

spk_0:   45:27
signature of the gateway and use that as an opening and once once I have the gate open, huh? E I make a call. You know, if it's a specific being we're looking for, I call that specific being. Otherwise, I'd you know, anything that is willing to work with the signature. And it's cohesive with this signature. Um, you know, come forward. Essentially. Oh,

spk_1:   45:54
yeah. What happens? What happens when you get really something scary and something that you really just don't know how to deal with? Has that happened before

spk_0:   46:05
when I was much younger. I have counters like this, and in those cases now, now I know a bit better, obviously. Back then it was, uh it was a please leave. And if they did not, I resorted to about the only thing I had. My toolbox I could pull out of memory, which was the lesser vanishing rich. Older. Yeah, well, and that's tends to be effective. Another

spk_1:   46:34
seems to work pretty good.

spk_0:   46:37
Another thing that I've dealt with is you know, if that doesn't work, if I don't feel like doing the whole ritual manifesto weapon, put your energy into the shape of a weapon or use a soul sword if you have one. But if you could do to generate a weapon and then basically lay down your threat, you know you can leave or we can find it out. Um, and

spk_1:   46:59
they challenged you on that before

spk_0:   47:01
that stuff. The thing would be Astra Astral plane with energy working general. His energy fall was your intent. So we're sitting there and you're like, Oh, my God, I can't I can't take this thing on. I don't know what to do. They will probably win fair. That's you know, if you set your intent strong enough, then it doesn't matter, you know. Oh, they can't harm your physical body. And this is your space. You're going to win.

spk_1:   47:27
But it's funny, though, Like I know they can't harm your physical body. But I've done we d'oh ah! Nor discord Channel A couple friends of mine. We have a small group, we do sparring with each other and I have, like, you know, I've I've got felt it almost a little bit like after I've got my butt kicked. You know, first couple of times it's like I mean, you know, it's not that they can harm you, but you sort of just feel like a little.

spk_0:   47:54
And that's the other thing. When you get into that level of a contest with another person, it does become possible to behind fact. I have a star to on my body from straight up fights. You know that were you know, if I don't win, I'm like, die and I have stalkers from that, um so it is possible. But in that scenario, extremely unlikely for physical. Come on. The other thing is, since it is your astral temple. You can just will them out, you know.

spk_1:   48:27
And you also I'm sure you have guards and things like that, right?

spk_0:   48:31
I do. On especially since I work as a showman, I have a number of spiritual I Ince's and worst comes to worst. You know, it's Hey, you know, dragger toll. Come and take care of this for me.

spk_1:   48:42
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, what is the most dangerous entity that you have come across shot? That kind of tested your a little bit of your, uh I guess fear, You know, that kind of one of the only ones That's really sort of gotten to you. You could you say?

spk_0:   49:04
Are you familiar with the green Lantern comics of the Green Lantern movie?

spk_1:   49:07
I sure am. Yeah.

spk_0:   49:09
Remember, Parallax the being that was pure fear in 30.

spk_1:   49:13
Yes, I do.

spk_0:   49:15
We encountered something like that probably years ago. Now, six years ago. And what we determine? What's that? This thing was an agreeable, which, you know nothing will serve it. Or do you have your three levels of service for which is individually our egg aboard this group empowered and DOD form, which is independent of the other people in power. At that point, we basically determine this thing was an epic or Grigor bordering on God form of just, um And we we obviously we don't have any solid proof. We personally believe that it was formed by a particularly nasty coven that we had dealings with in the past. And it waas we fought this thing off and on for months because you just took care of it, and then stuff would start going wrong. And we had to book and notes back, and we found out it was linked to a physical host somewhere someone had since we

spk_1:   50:14
really had something against you and was trying to set it after you

spk_0:   50:19
exact made a loud thing to take possession their body. And that's why no matter what we did to its energetic structure, it always came back, Had that linked to this world, and we we ended up having to perform some rather nasty rituals to terminate this person to make sure that I couldn't

spk_1:   50:39
Oh, wow. So just just banishing it wouldn't work

spk_0:   50:44
because this test on the idea of the spirit

spk_1:   50:48
Okay, Yeah, that's true. Okay. Wow, that would be kind of, uh that would be not almost just confuses me. It's like, Wow. Okay, I wouldn't even know to dio i'ma cyclist,

spk_0:   51:01
once you have, ah, spirit that has a vessel in this world, they become 10 2050 times harder to move because they have that ground on that backed advantages and disadvantages of spirits that are bound to view versus a vessel granted, conjured spirits air, you know, a lot more difficult for a non conjurer toe banish. Or in some cases, the steel people think that their spirits get stolen. That's a whole nother diatribe. But once they have,

spk_1:   51:30
let's let's go ahead and get rid of that myth like you're you know, the spirits aren't going to take you over and you're not gonna have to have an exercise, um, perform, um you know, I mean, in most cases, I mean, I haven't heard of of any such situations rarely. You know, unless you're really in the black arts kind of

spk_0:   51:51
domain of steer keeping. Typically not because, you know that's another part of the vetting process. Once the being comes forward, you have to make sure and be extremely certain that there is no kidding. Gil intent they're not gonna mess with you, etcetera, etcetera. So typically a beating this conjure for you is not something you have to worry about, causing you harm taking over your body, things like that. Obviously, possession and exorcisms are very real thing, but those tend to come about accidentally. You know, if you've seen movies like, uh

spk_1:   52:26
or somebody who hasn't done their vetting process properly. And that's why that's why you know, I want my listeners to be very careful. If you choose to do this, which it's, I'm sure it's going to be an amazing experience for me. I'm really excited, and I've heard it's been amazing experience for many, many other people. But just make sure you vet, you know that you that you're vetting the people that are doing this kind of work

spk_0:   52:51
exactly. And you know, I I can personally recommend one other person as a conjurer specifically because this this is, goes back to my friend. No, he's done this for a long time, and we've worked together a lot. I know his methods. I know what he does. This sound. I know he knows his art. And that's Charles McBride Over the Rose quartz labyrinth. So you know, if you're Yeah, If you say, you know Hey, I want a spirit. I'm too busy. I can't do it right now. It will be a little late and you want a quicker He's the next guy in line After that, I don't really know the other sellers enough, but I know their reputation to know. That's ah, the ups and downs.

spk_1:   53:31
Yeah, this isn't something you wanna have fast, guys. You know, it's it's something you want to really make sure and take your time with. And Yeah, and I know Papa does. He does a very good job. I mean, we've been communicating what, Back and forth for two weeks now, just about you know, my what? I want what I'm looking for. So he makes sure he asks, you know, all the right questions and and yeah, I'm really excited. I can't really I can't wait to get that done. But, um, I wanted to ask you what is one of the best spirits for to help people improve psychic gifts because I had that as a question. Did a Facebook thing the other day letting people now that I was going Thio that I was going to have you on the podcast and they said to enhance her psychic gifts. What would what with the best buy your bonding.

spk_0:   54:28
This is where we get into my background is a tradition tradition because, you know, there are races of spirits out there that I'm sure would be helpful. Things like angels, elves, you know, dragons, gin. All of these will be very helpful for awakening psychic abilities. But if you want the top notch type of spirit, go back Thio, Um, the keys of Solomon. So in the Greater Kihei believer, the veritable key one of the two, he talks about the Olympic spirits there.

spk_1:   55:03
Yes, Yes. I work with the Olympic spirit.

spk_0:   55:07
Um Well, in in this case, I would say Thio ago summoned the the Olympic spirit of the moon. Uh oh. Leave and, you know, basically say, Hey, this is this is what I'm looking for. This is what I want to accomplish. Is their spirit in your red Knew that can help me. And typically there is, In fact, I contact an angel about that. You know, I I went through the Rachel went through. Oh, and he brought forth a on angel that would help me with the current thing that I was working on at that time.

spk_1:   55:39
Oh, interesting. Yeah, that's funny, because the Olympic spirits kept coming up, and then I got into Geo man, see and tried to learn a little bit about that. And so then my client started asking about that since I was learning Geo Nancy and they wanted romantic greetings was like that. And so now everybody has them. They're all wanting Thio. And I like to empower, you know, my clients to teach them how to do psychic gifts themselves. So because they all happened, you know, And, uh, you know that way, then they don't have to call me and you know, they can learn to do it themselves, And it can be a kind of mutual process ups. That's really how I like to work so well, good night. I have another question. What would be the best entity to summon for protection to protect you, to protect yourself against negative entities are meeting negativity.

spk_0:   56:39
If you go the Olympic spirit route, anything you contact through the Olympic spirit of Mars would be a good choice. Much I don't know. And outside of that, I have a gin, a bridge in that like 100 many years ago. And she has never failed me in this respect. So I'm gonna have to say that Jin and Dragons is a close second for any type of protection work. Marshall were training things like that. Those two races specifically still

spk_1:   57:09
okay. And you can guess what the last two questions are. What's the best one for love? Uh,

spk_0:   57:19
go through the spirit of being for the Olympic spirits outside of that. You know, a lot of people like to say succubus or Incubus and reverses their grateful bus if you want to

spk_1:   57:38
last yet. These airmen, I think my clients were asking. They want to fall in love. You know, something that's gonna help bring them luck to fall in love.

spk_0:   57:46
Yeah. If you just want to go to the club, take somebody home and as the bass hook up, go with Stuckey. Misko An incubus. That's their specialty. If you were looking more from love, then there are certain of the faithful that I would contact for that. Chiefly us. Uh uh, dines the water spirits.

spk_1:   58:11
Oh, yeah, yeah. That's funny. My my daughter was talking about Indians the other day was I counted to even know that word. She story. So Okay. And then the last question I got asked in the Facebook group was for money and wealth,

spk_0:   58:29
love, love, life and death. Before Crossman took magic, everyone asked about

spk_1:   58:34
Yep. Money. And I promised him I'd ask. So,

spk_0:   58:39
uh, money would be the Olympic spirit of Jupiter. That particular method, alternatively, uh, dragons tend to excel it. Wealth, leper, cons, gin or really? Yeah. Leopard cons are, uh they're good that they're interesting. They're finicky. Um, you know, your leper con may get you a $400 bonus at work, but you're gonna get home, find it. You know, my

spk_1:   59:07
favorite down. Something

spk_0:   59:13
to avoid spirits that have that tendency. I have a request. Conjured the more mischievous ones. I try to avoid that cause I don't know the person's level experience. I I can't I can't judge that they could say I've been doing this for 10 years. And then you mean 10 months?

spk_1:   59:30
Yeah. Yeah, it's funny, though, and I don't mean to be negative to anybody, but that's that's new to this But I thought that I knew so much after two years, and it's like, Oh, my goodness, I don't know. You know, I didn't know crap. You know, it's like I really didn't. I mean, this takes this is a lifelong pursuit. Oh, no. Yeah.

spk_0:   59:54
I'm in this for 15 to give away my age here. I've been doing this for 15 years, over half of my life, and every year that

spk_1:   1:0:03
we're about the same age, so don't work. I've been doing it since I was four. Not officially, but yeah, And then I got I got really back into it when I was, um when I was about 23. So I told

spk_0:   1:0:18
him Avoid giving my age away until I've worked with someone long enough. Because, you know, usually you tell him how old you are in the beginning, and they're like, Oh, that's you're too young to do

spk_1:   1:0:26
this or you don't get this, sir. Yeah, You don't understand being

spk_0:   1:0:30
a working relationship there, like Wow, you know, you this really blew me away. And you're mention your 27. They're like, really what? Every year I have that moment of Oh, I've made it. Now I've made it now that I did. And at 15 years in the practice, I now accept that I really know nothing. You know, like with my own studies in tantric Magic came near the gory path. You know, I I say I'm not knowledgeable. I know nothing. And then people ask me questions, and I can answer him accurately. But I don't know the rituals that you perform 10,000 years ago. I would love to, but I just don't. I know what I know about him, and that's about it.

spk_1:   1:1:17
But it's funny, actually, I have a little a quick story for you. Um, so one of my, uh, one of the best teachers I have, who's he teaches me energy, magic and, you know, and you're working with energy. And I found out how old he was. He's 18 years old, but he's but he speaks so eloquently. And, you know, I would have ever guessed never in my life, but so you never know, you know,

spk_0:   1:1:45
And I've had people teach me things that were, you know, 56 years younger than me and then my current, the only long term mentor that I have, We worked together for four years. We've got another court. Is it fine? No. It's four years this year, coming out like next week, actually, last week. No. God. It's already been four years since it's an eight year apprenticeship. So I'm halfway through. Um, and he's in his fifties or sixties. So I've had mentors all the way up that old toe all the way down to, you know, 18. 19 that weren't necessarily mentors, but still instructed me anything. So I don't really factor agent that things as much.

spk_1:   1:2:28
Yeah, ages and ages. Just a number anyways, is what I say. You

spk_0:   1:2:33
usually tell pretty quick into a conversation How much somebody really knows.

spk_1:   1:2:38
That's That's very true.

spk_0:   1:2:40
One of my dead giveaways. If I mentioned to bet Magic and someone's like, Oh, that's interesting. I made a total last week. What mandolin did you use? Oh, I

spk_1:   1:2:48
don't know. Huh? That's funny. And what I know you do spells as well, right?

spk_0:   1:3:00
You mean

spk_1:   1:3:01
okay. What is your most you know, your most most powerfully spell to help somebody's You know who's new to this to help. They're like third eye Open, which I know we talked about that earlier. But Thio open their awareness, if you will again, Kind of, like, lift the veil to back to when they were a kid.

spk_0:   1:3:22
Are you talking like a single broadcast ritual or like a process

spk_1:   1:3:27
on now? Like a single cast ritual?

spk_0:   1:3:31
Um oh, everything I do on the site is done through, like all three listings, because their general purpose in being anything but so far as you know, increasing awareness advancing psychic abilities. What? Nine, Um, in that particular instance. Okay, for a spell, specifically, I would do a a lunatic a ritual on, you know, on Monday in the hour, ideally during the new moon. But already fallen moon phases Tino again for concept that we invented. Yes. What

spk_1:   1:4:13
time is it? I'll see you

spk_0:   1:4:16
ideally during the new moon, because the moon begins to become full abilities increase, etcetera, etcetera. But I would do an invitation of either oh or the more classical Chaldean version, which is toe invoked the intelligence, the planet through that authority evil, the spirit and then specifically requested spirit to either a power talisman or directly empower the purpose and to increase their buildings.

spk_1:   1:4:42
Oh, well, So you're just basically opening, Like giving them a Excuse me, Gus. Giving them a portal directly to to that ended just basically,

spk_0:   1:4:54
essentially. But then again, for things like third eye openings, energetic expansion, things like that. I have a list of the tune mints which are basically just initiation rituals that are done in the distance. So I have one that is called, uh uh G. Come on. Cassey Theory, which comes out in Japanese magic on it was originally something that was done at the temple by a priest direction to initiate you. But a man Harry Andre went up, so

spk_1:   1:5:30
I took

spk_0:   1:5:30
all of because he came. You know, that's where he's from his job. And he received all these initiations and then packaged and energetic. Attunement says they can be passed over a distance bombs. So if you're more the attunement type than a Jeep among history will be the most direct solution to that. That that issue.

spk_1:   1:5:51
Okay. And can people find these on your side? I'm sorry. My voice is just so, but I gotta get drink water.

spk_0:   1:5:59
Um, yes. You know, I have a library of hundreds of the tune mints that come from my mentor, so they're not all listed. But, you know, you can go to my website. I've gotta search bar now. Took me years to implement that

spk_1:   1:6:16

spk_0:   1:6:17
just west and it will come up, Um, Or if I don't if you want the two men. But I don't have one that fits your needs, Simeon. Message Let me know, and I will dictate my files. Nine times out of 10. I have that attunement.

spk_1:   1:6:30
Yeah, guys, he's really easy to talk to you just well, and he gets back to you very quickly so I could

spk_0:   1:6:38
do spiteful self on customer service in responses, cause some of these other shots some of these other shops we've discussed can take weeks

spk_1:   1:6:48
to get

spk_0:   1:6:48
back to a simple is just want to check on the status of my order. Um, but I you know, everything goes through my phone, always have my phone with me, so I tend to be pretty quick outside of you know, there are things like family events. No, I'm a sleek, you know? I don't know.

spk_1:   1:7:07
Of course. Of course you have to have a life too,

spk_0:   1:7:11
but I like to get back within 24 hours unless I specifically Ammon vacation, which, you know that's not always posted on the website. But if you go to my Facebook page, there's typically announced that they'll be on the office from this day this day. Please don't stand my impulse. That's something one sane people

spk_1:   1:7:29
appreciate that people really appreciate that. So, uh, s so I wanted to ask you what is your favorite? Um, Because I'm sure you do spirit keeping for yourself, which is your favorite that you have.

spk_0:   1:7:44
Honestly, I really don't. I do have spirits that I've gotten from other people. I won't make it in the places I got them from because they were asleep fairly dead. Anything that was done was because I empowered them. I do. Have I mentioned my personal Jim? I've got a number of spiritually alliances, but that's like a totally different level. And I have interacted with spirits from a rose course labyrinth, and they're powerful, but I don't necessarily keep any of those dan

spk_1:   1:8:17
you anything with, like people who have passed on their, uh, with me, their, um, their estates. Like, Do you do anything with that? Like haunted? Um, you know, items and things like that.

spk_0:   1:8:31
In what context?

spk_1:   1:8:34
Well, do you find most of it's B s or huh? Beers?

spk_0:   1:8:40
You know, there's an article, I think, on the creepy Hollows website talks about it. But basically things like telephones, door knob sinkings that people have touched their whole life. They pick up residual energy, and it's not necessarily at them. But it is enough t contact and have a somewhat of a relationship with. Okay, I have run across a rare, totally haunted item. I have induced hauntings before.

spk_1:   1:9:06
Oh, wow. Wow, I haven't heard of that. It's

spk_0:   1:9:10
It's a It's a prop assess. There's, uh I used to supply this item. I no longer carry it because it wasn't super popular is called haunting sand. Basically, it's grave dirt mug ward weren't would I bright a handful. Others mix together and empowered, and just area would activate any spirits that were in the area. Drawl, strippers there. Um, that's what. So you know, it's definitely possible to induce a haunting Yeah, you know, as far as offering those items myself, I really don't because it's so hard to come across a genuine item that when I gave it something like that, It's usually so overpowered by Keep it here in my personal reliquary to keep it out of the wrong hands.

spk_1:   1:9:54
Right? Right. What is the most request you get for country?

spk_0:   1:10:02
Oh, most service towards air primarily what I deal in and and the purpose of that is there was another cellar in the community who still hey, still technically active. He did serve a tores, Justin, family issues and other stuff. He just is not as active anymore. You know, I I I got his blessing to pick up a servant or business, and I've been popular with that. As far as wreck conjures, demons are very common. Really. That's interesting. Well, demons have a bad rap. He doesn't.

spk_1:   1:10:47
That's true. That's true.

spk_0:   1:10:50
But I found that most demons with some

spk_1:   1:10:54
exact anybody ask for Lucifer. I

spk_0:   1:10:57
have, um so I'm also initiated Kambanda and one of the things we do is power statues and somebody, a statue and bonded are empowered with Lucifer in the King bond. After baby yesterday, Lucifer, I performed that and he had some fantastic results with it. But there are certain demons I refused to work with on principle, like my wife. Harder one of her family members was a magician, and he calls her a lot of problems because he essentially tried to sell her to Asmodeus just down the road. Now we're dealing with the fallout of this, and I've performed a handful of banishing some soul journeys and a whole long thing to remove that claim. But because of that, he's he's not welcome in my home. If he shows up, Spanish comes back, we end up getting into one of those energy contest we talked about. So but then monasteries like Boom, boom is the most common one because he's he's a well spirit. So

spk_1:   1:12:08
about that Billy. Oh, Billy ll,

spk_0:   1:12:11
um You know, I have not gotten any request to work with him. I do. You're in the aspect of the Trident of Witchcraft by Mark Allen Smith I that way. But, uh, he's not very popular in my requests.

spk_1:   1:12:28
Okay? No, isn't he's ah, he's been coming up in some of my working, uh, lately, So I just didn't know if you had any experiences with him.

spk_0:   1:12:39
I do, but it probably won't be so. Mark Allen Smith is an author who has written a handful of votes that he wrote the trident of witchcraft, the Queen of Hell Red Kate and Scorpion God. And the idea is that these things these three books are about Hecate, a Lucifer and belly. All they he calls them the the trident of the primal craft tradition. But it's not the heck attain was formally, almost people used to. It's basically is unconfirmed personal noses. Something's beings in the aspects they represent in what he calls traditional witchcraft. Witches in traditional witchcraft, but with his spindle.

spk_1:   1:13:25
Okay, check that out. Mark Allen Smith.

spk_0:   1:13:30
Remorse and get experience pensive. But that's the nature of playing wolves.

spk_1:   1:13:36
Yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm my my library is, uh goodness, I spent more money on books than I do anything else.

spk_0:   1:13:44
Oh, not at me. Because the estimated value view of, like, four of the books on my shelf is well over $4000.

spk_1:   1:13:53
Wow. Oh, my gosh. I'd love to take a look at your library for days.

spk_0:   1:14:01
10 Paradox. The deluxe edition guy. Sacred duty, safe with sodium Lambright mortis, which is a vampire necromancy. More first edition. I do indeed. Number 11. Thanks. Well, um, so I've got those I've got uh, the first edition hardback version Number 175. I think of the book of smokeless fire. Oh, God. I've got the trident of witchcraft. You a little drink? Queen of hell are Scorpion dogs. The first edition, the other to a second. You have a handful of the ones I could thin days in there.

spk_1:   1:14:48
I wrote down a few of those Medical Aspire. I hadn't heard of that one. So I have to check that one out for sure.

spk_0:   1:14:53
So the Book of smokeless fire. Have you ever heard of the book of deadly names?

spk_1:   1:14:58
Yes, I have

spk_0:   1:15:00
broke a smokeless fire is essentially a re skin of the book of the other names. Used to be a good friend of mine. We had a falling out a whole long thing, But he studied the book. Our book of deadly names work with those spirits and out of that room the book of local spire, which is the same spirits just explored even further. Okay, tall all that I mentioned 72 Jim that story ratings. Yeah. Now you can get it on Amazon and paperback form.

spk_1:   1:15:31
Yes, some of them. And like I love to go to the half price books and go through and look at their You know what they've got, cause sometimes you know, you never know what you're gonna get. People just toss stuff out and don't realize what they have. But and I wouldn't have a question, because this is something that's come up for me, um, wire elves, such a big deal, and my no creepy Hollows has a, uh you have to be referred in order to order an elf.

spk_0:   1:16:03
Honestly, I couldn't answer that question, huh? Okay. Is to me they're They're not as big of a deal. Calm. But then again,

spk_1:   1:16:12
what tricksters or what? What are they known as? I mean, from from my understanding there, pretty tame and pretty, um, loyal.

spk_0:   1:16:22
Well, you're not different.

spk_1:   1:16:25
Anything like you if you treat them well. Yeah,

spk_0:   1:16:28
yeah. Um, well, you know, you've got dark l's lighthouse. What else you got? The the denizens of Outlined to the Nords. Things like that. So you have different varieties of elves? One of the spirits that I had from creepy Hollows was it was a dark house, and I Yeah, I don't have any trouble with, um I I have not had any major issues will pass. So I honestly

spk_1:   1:17:03
happy. Have you heard anything about it? Like what the deal is, though, Are they just It just can't be dangerous or, you know, in general, because I mean, it says it on all of them. Not even the white arts works.

spk_0:   1:17:15
Honestly, I have I can ask around and find out because I do have some connections left in that particular community.

spk_1:   1:17:22
I was I was just curious because I thought What's the deal with else? Because, I mean, I've I've worked with what else? A little bit and I've never found. You know, um, I'm in too much of a problem. I mean, I haven't had the manifest for me or anything like that, but I felt I felt her energy once or twice on Di. Didn't you know, it didn't feel in a sort of threat or anything like that. So I just always wondered what that waas

spk_0:   1:17:48
Yeah, no idea. I'll find out now. I'm curious about it, but yes, I'm hearing that long.

spk_1:   1:17:57
Yeah, I'd appreciate that. Um, So what's the problem people off to run into when keeping child ended

spk_0:   1:18:04
tease world. Well, just like human Children that just like human Children, they can be demanding of time. Energy sources, you know, they aren't quote unquote strained, so they aren't. They may not have manners. House rules, as they call it, may not necessarily be abided because they don't. They're not necessarily old enough to compensate for that idea. So

spk_1:   1:18:37
you have to raise them like you raise a child. Basically, you have to teach them everything. Kind of

spk_0:   1:18:42
right. If you were going to play, if you want a child, then I have to be experienced enough to be a handful back because it is a big responsibility. I mean, it's no spirit. Keeping is, in a way like pat pets, but worse because you can't see who's making rice. No. At that point you're dealing with not only not necessarily see them, you also know they may not abide by your rules all the time.

spk_1:   1:19:12
Yeah, true. True. And what is, uh I mean, I guess that makes complete sense. I mean, but they have abilities as well, so they're still have the ability to learn things and to teach in your thing threats.

spk_0:   1:19:29
Oh, store. Absolutely. That looked a lot like that like cervical was created beings because those a lot of the requests I get for them, they're not just Hey, I want this service for to do this. You know that they a lot of people want them to teach them. They want being the sun, overly demanding, like a child's identity. But they want something they can teach and train. Um, in fact, I know someone who has thousands of cervical was that all are under the command of a single service for, and that one is essentially the leader of this little arm. You pass on and stretch functions and what not? And she will make sure they get carried out and talk.

spk_1:   1:20:14
Yes, sir. Vitter's air great for that kind of stuff too. Especially if you're super busy and you have, like, you know, for, like, sales or something, you know, for for your company or whatever, if you like. You know, our marketing stuff, like they're fantastic for stuff like that.

spk_0:   1:20:31
You know, I never even had people ask me why I don't have cervical, create service towards teaching my rituals and then let them handle shop orders.

spk_1:   1:20:39
And it

spk_0:   1:20:40
was absolutely a great idea for myself. Yeah. So, you know, I really need to do, ah, wealth ritual. But we don't have time. Yeah, I want that. But when someone pays me to do it working and yeah, they're paying you to do the work, you know? So that's what What

spk_1:   1:20:58
if somebody doesn't bind with their spirit? They're entity

spk_0:   1:21:03
has happened. Sometimes it is a matter of they just aren't developed enough to be able to handle that level of energy and responsibility. And sometimes it is just that they did not measure his walls. They thought they would.

spk_1:   1:21:17
Can you? Can you do a spell on me? Can you do spells to enhance the hat for them?

spk_0:   1:21:23
I can, um that gets in the room of meta magic, which is magic. That influences other magic. Yeah, most often I will advise that they meditate more sense in time. Specifically, you meditate with spirit. And if that just doesn't seem to be doing it, then I

spk_1:   1:21:40
meant any longer and train harder.

spk_0:   1:21:44
Exactly. If that just does not work out for them. For whatever reason, they refused to meditate. Plane? They don't have time. They made

spk_1:   1:21:54
a lot of people hate to meditate I'm like what they expect to get

spk_0:   1:22:01
to the expectations of meditation. People think, Yo, you gotta sit perfectly still not think of anything for an hour and it's not meditation. Reason turning meditation is being able to sit in meditation and say, Oh, that's a distracting fault And then we start falling. Return about it, yes, when you

spk_1:   1:22:21
and then it becomes a hole. Then a whole new world opens up Thio

spk_0:   1:22:25
because the idea of meditation courses to learn your own mind and be able to control your own mind. So when a distraction does arise, you can release it. And the idea that is to break the monkey mind so that you know this person coming out into traffic, my automatic responses to flip him off. Or you could meditate. OK, they did this, but it has no effect on me except that which I allow, Um, just if they simply can't connect to the meditation at that point with their consent, I'll recall the spirits and back home, and I'll call forth another one like you do that about three or four times at the most because that doesn't yet.

spk_1:   1:23:05
Yes. Then it gets hold. It's like. Okay, You need to learn Thio. It's not me.

spk_0:   1:23:11
Typically, by that point, we found something that will connect, you know, or else they realize it's on. Then the baby will make a state longer. Um, but that is more than acceptable. Usually, meditation will get it, you know? Or I assume it does. They sometimes don't ever contact me against license. They got it Forgot.

spk_1:   1:23:32
What's that? What's the need? A story you've heard from your clients?

spk_0:   1:23:39
Oh, I have to say, this is outside of spirit keeping, but, um, I have the client I mentioned earlier were talking earlier. I have a client in Philippines who will buy my relics. And my mom was a joke and distribute them to people there. Will he? You didn't really. He doesn't mess the spirit keeping it all. And he didn't really do rituals, but he wanted to experiment. He ordered a wealth ritual from mmm performed this ritual. And then two days later, I get a message back from him, said he's been so busy with his own personal shop after the world ritual, he has not had time to contact.

spk_1:   1:24:19
Wow, that's pretty cool. That's pretty cool

spk_0:   1:24:24
response I know the shop is still doing steady, steady business. So you took the

spk_1:   1:24:29
fantastic. I'm gonna have you do the wealth or trolling me. So, uh, well, I think I think that's Oh, I had one more question for you. And then I want to kind of just tell the readers about what we're gonna do for the part, too, If you're on board for that. Um is, uh what is your price range? Just so people know kind of What kind of an investment this,

spk_0:   1:24:57
you know, it depends spirit keeping specifically, I think. Great ones. They started 25 all the way up to 300 for great five because of the amount of time and energy put into conjuring them.

spk_1:   1:25:11
Sure. Plus an ingrate. Five stake. They can manifest. They can, you know. I mean, not always, but yeah, right. You're gonna get more. Uh, you're gonna be more aware.

spk_0:   1:25:23
Yeah, I've actually I had a client who wanted a great five conjure attached to a pendant because he's a bouncer. And he wanted a great five that could warn him of upcoming danger as well as, uh, as well as help him overcome. Is anyone he's having to fight with. So it was event here. Experience so And he's got a great success. Little warning. If someone's about to cause trouble and if he gets into a fight, it'll latch on and suck as much energy as they can out of them quickly to keep them from being able to prolong the fight.

spk_1:   1:25:57
Well, well, have you had anyone who has, like, problems with energy and stuff like that? Um, use like a vampire Thio. Help them get more energy?

spk_0:   1:26:09
Absolutely. Oh, yeah. You know, I I'm a practicing straight boy. Be a living vampire, abs. I have a great connection with that current. And what we do in our practice is similar to what I will find a spirit for we received. But we also cycle with each other. So we will feed on Joe same time essentially, and doing naturally, filter out whatever might be going with their energy system and feed them back to our energy invented here. Let's operate much the same way. They will draw out whatever is negative and purify it and leave you with pure energy.

spk_1:   1:26:49
How fantastic. Jeez, I need that. I feel like I'm going in 100 different directions. And do you know, I wanted to ask you because I know creepy Hollows does something kind of like this, but where they will do readings about what's in your bloodline or if you have anything haunting you at that, you know, Can you see stuff like that?

spk_0:   1:27:12
I can. Typically, in fact, there used to be a I used to have a service kind of like that. Um, usually at this point only do that for what I call my total subtle body servants, which includes a part where we read through both your physical and spiritual lineage is to see what hidden abilities air there than we can awaken. But have you know, I used several different forms of divination? One of those is sangoma bone reading, which comes out of you conjure or, if you really want to get technical, comes out of a certain region of Africa but whatever. And

spk_1:   1:27:52
it's not China Longo's or it's something different.

spk_0:   1:27:56
It's ah, you know

spk_1:   1:27:58
it's not Tom, Along goes, it's is a different

spk_0:   1:28:02
It's a different form.

spk_1:   1:28:05
And seeing that

spk_0:   1:28:06
saying, all my bones said is not strictly bones, it's bones, shells, teeth, curios when my own personal set has, um, I reckon Penis bone sleepiness. Gator, pole, gator to coyote, too. Um, cost will die. It's a small car school couple shells a handful other, and each thing hasn't meaning not only on what type of item it is, but also what it came from. So you know where a since a coyote Penis in a gator, uh, record Penis about Penis bones. Do you think I mean this thing? And they do. But they're different. They both represent strong male energy. They both represent an overwhelming Marshall Force. But coyote is a trickster. See up your Penis may come up and say, you know, there's a very strong male presence that you can trust in your life. You know, typically, it's a husband, your best friend, something like that,

spk_1:   1:29:14
right? But yes,

spk_0:   1:29:16
represents. You know, there's someone out to get you. And actually, I have a good friend who I met, a creepy Hollows who I did a reading for, and I didn't like reading, but I basically said, Listen, your your husband is either cheating on you're plotting against you because this bonus cost with this one, and this is what's going on and, you know, a few months later comes out that he's planning a divorce trying to take, so

spk_1:   1:29:45
wow. Well, I I was gonna ask you, but I guess it's a little more detail because I'm nobody in my family is magic. Nobody generations back, I've gone so far as like as I can go and nothing. So I'm a little bit of a loss as to where I got my abilities, Um, which, you know. I mean, everybody. Everybody has these abilities, but, you know, the natural abilities, you know, the four years old doing so well. That's one of you see anything

spk_0:   1:30:17
that I can absolutely reading. I may be. So you know, if you want to do one right now, live. I could do that. If that's something you want get between. Asked if you do that later, that's up to you.

spk_1:   1:30:27
No. Yeah, I'd love to do when? No, I know that. I know the listeners would love to hear that too. They're always so They always wanted to know things about me. Of course, they want another host and they like to hear you know, they like to hear about how we do stuff like this and in the process. Oh, you don't mind? Yeah,

spk_0:   1:30:49
I'll use my bone since their hand. Um, but we have a term for this, you know, in the in the vampire Queen, either, Uh uh, three types of Well, they're four types of acknowledged vamp Eriks types. One's individual. Not everyone's gonna fit the mold for Say, um so we have ah, we have our death, which are vampires. Created the ritual. I know. You know, fiction tells you all you have to be bitten, and then people in the real community Oh, no, you can't return. Truth be told, you can. There's a very intense rock called regard and it's held sacred by you know, only the highest ranking members of the community, et cetera, et cetera. But it can't be done. The

spk_1:   1:31:37
eyes Is it a great honor to be turned?

spk_0:   1:31:41
It is because it was only done rarely. It's done when you know someone has found for this person. And there, I guess, pure part. So it's not a thing. You just go and say, Hey, will you do this? And spoiler alert If anyone listening messaging me and says, Hey, can you do this? No, I absolutely not e Once we get to know each other, possibly

spk_1:   1:32:07
I I appreciate it

spk_0:   1:32:09
Theus awry. There are still vampires, but they're more parasites. Assam are the people that we'll call this family drama just to call his family drama. They stir the pot.

spk_1:   1:32:24
I think we'll know if you're those. Yeah,

spk_0:   1:32:28
um, Then we have as, uh uh What is the term? I'm looking for you. There's a word for it, but the club will turn. Miss Layton, Vampires, those who were born but not awakened. And these are people who you know, they've carried the flame. They are one of us, but they're not Blake. And on and usually awakening comes about multiple ways. Um, this this is where, uh, this is where the myth of being bitten comes in. Um, but, you know, if a vampire feeds on you, it may awaken that spark within you. Oh, so you know that that is that is the thing.

spk_1:   1:33:20
I have a strange feeling. I know what you're gonna say. God, home.

spk_0:   1:33:25
The, uh and then there are There are Oh, I'm sorry. The term I was looking for was Club Bossy. I knew I had it in somewhere. Didn't want Thio to get the wrong term. So clove ocr latent vampires. Okay, thes they're born with the gift, But it's not awaken that awakens later in life through interest, meditation, energy, work, whatever. And then the final category is called key saying and keeps saying are those who are born fully aware, fully awakened, You know, they know what they are, even if they don't have a word to put to you. Uh, extremely rare. But they are. Then they do exist.

spk_1:   1:34:17
Uh, how is how is that spelled? Just curious

spk_0:   1:34:21
Q u i s and s A I n

spk_1:   1:34:25
Okay, okay.

spk_0:   1:34:27
And these terms, I'm out of my personal legacy, which is the legacy of the Strigoi be founded by Father Sebastian. Any great spiritual leader. There are good and bad things about him on the Internet. Taken with a grain of salt. You may not be for you. You may not be for

spk_1:   1:34:42
sure. No, no, this is very interesting. That's why I wanted to. I wanted to write it down so that I could I learned about this.

spk_0:   1:34:51
You like to get further and death. I can only recommend that you read his both called the sanguine, Ominous. You've heard of the Necronomicon on?

spk_1:   1:35:04
Yes, I have.

spk_0:   1:35:05
Instead of Necro, it's sang we so is the focus. Okay, get out. It's not one, you know, one.

spk_1:   1:35:28
I am Thio. I'll be looking for my keys and they're right in my hand.

spk_0:   1:35:33
It's my snake rib bone has decided it no longer wishes to work with me. That's the thing.

spk_1:   1:35:42
Can that mean something?

spk_0:   1:35:44
Usually it just means, you know, because we treat each and every item as a living individual spirit. So most typically means that this bone has decided this time of year is up. I can always replace it, and that's the thing. With the single most set, you can get them from Lucky Mojo Curio Company. Yeah, and Starter said it with a guide world. But you can always add to that said take away from it. Whatever. How about a few things over?

spk_1:   1:36:14
Yeah, I buy. I buy a lot of stuff from there to in Crescent City, conjured to

spk_0:   1:36:20
I tend to avoid them for the most part just because I've hurt some unsavory things about the head. But you know, that's to the individual to decide, You know, again that I don't want to. I don't want to deflect a negative connotation on something that may be our positive, beneficial experience. Someone so mile me things use them. If you find that you do not resonate then don't know, toe. Okay. You know, if I need something from another on dry, usually go Thio, the Rose Quartz labyrinth for spirits and magic based things oils, powers and other who do things. I go to a place called inexplicable things.

spk_1:   1:37:03
Oh, yeah, yeah, I know it. Inexplicable things, too. Yeah, yeah, they're great.

spk_0:   1:37:08
They're fantastic. Good friends with the owners, you know, we've shared stuff back and forth. In fact, in their group, you know, she'll often tag me and stuff when you know it hits my area of expertise. So we don't

spk_1:   1:37:21
like my first teacher. And it was Stacy Tallis. She's and he recommended inexplicable thing, so

spk_0:   1:37:37
all right, got her bones. And so the process of bone reading is lay out your bones and then you communicate with him for a second to see what does and does not want to be in the reading. It's like there are some things that won't affect you at all. So they've been removed and what's left is using your

spk_1:   1:38:01
and look for

spk_0:   1:38:03
what exactly are we looking into

spk_1:   1:38:07
e wanted to see just in, you know, kind of What's what's blocking me like I have a hard time seeing for myself as was blocking me. And then what? What what's it on history? Then where did I get my gifts from? Because I can't seem to find out for the life of me and, you know, on my on my grandmother's side, do my, uh, my grandfather died in World War Two and I can't get past him. So beyond that, I don't know. But on my dad's side, I've gone 22 generations back and nothing, not one single person said, Oh yeah, they were psychic or they had, you know, nothing like

spk_0:   1:38:53
that's interesting. You mentioned that normally I would if we were on video, I would show you the layout of the bones here, but we have some of that fell too far outside the reading the matter, so they're also more removed in my reading. Sometimes they matter. I need to say, Hey, this is whatever. But in this particular instance It's a start of outside, It doesn't matter. Okay, so the first thing we have to draw attention to since you mentioned it, I've got my stole, my Gator, Paul and my record and Penis all linked together, which in context would represent the fact that you are holding on to that. That memory of the brand thought it. It's there is not necessarily blocking you. You know, it won't hurt to do look like an ancestor altered to honor him, to work with him. Whatever.

spk_1:   1:39:49
Yeah, I have. I have one.

spk_0:   1:39:52
But you also can't let that hold you back. And the cat's eye shells. It's next to its flipped upside down. That's indicating, kind of. What's happening is you are not necessarily paying attention to the negative connotation connotations of, you know, having him there. Yes, it's cost. If yes, it's healthy to remember ancestors. You know, I keep my own ancestor altar. You know, I

spk_1:   1:40:17
I actually I actually didn't know my grandfather. He passed away during World War two under mysterious circumstances. So it was my grandmother that I do that I do remember very well and not to I miss, but I have them both on my altar

spk_0:   1:40:35
This again Interesting a minute to that, because underneath the cat's eye, I've got the coyote claw and the snake vertebrae. And so this comes back to the bones. Need things based on whether it came from. So your claw represents, you know, offense of nature back. It means someone said against you or your set against someone and with the coyote call being one specifically, it'll represent any a trickster force A something that's not in your best interest on, and they find that would be the imagery of the snake vertebrae nes, and that's indicative of being held back. And if we were to take all this and constant contacts, we can probably say fairly solidly but maybe not wasn't murdered because I never something that I throw out there. But I will say that

spk_1:   1:41:29
what he was. Yeah, I mean, he was for all intensive purposes, but it was under mysterious circumstances. They never found his body. Excuse me. And, um, they found his wedding ring. My own Mike German grandmother used to have dreams that he was gonna appear in different towns because something was just very weird. He spoke perfect French and he died in Metz, France. And I can't. It's almost like it's almost like he was erased. I can't find anything about him on the Internet

spk_0:   1:42:00
and see what what I'm seeing here. And another part of bone reading is communing with the bones because I'll tell you things you don't openly see, but what I'm staying with that he fully intended to come home. But I think that he was double crossed by someone. I think that they arranged her interview move, and he just never found a way to come back. It was honestly, what I get. Um okay, so if I were to recommend anything for you at all, it would be to do essentially a death walking ceremony to give him the peace of mind to be able to pass on plot. Okay, so I highly recommend that we could go into that some point if you

spk_1:   1:42:47
like. Yeah, too. Yeah. Now, did you see anything about where my gift's air coming from? Like where I've got them from Because my parents look at me like I'm from Mars all the time.

spk_0:   1:43:02
Thea, other half of the reading. So I've got Belle laying next to the Buckeye, and the bunk up is a symbol of Holman. Hardt, Um, doesn't necessarily mean family, but it doesn't need to pay attention to you know where you're from. Yeah, you mentioned Ireland, and you do like your injury. I think that you should probably investigate your roots in that area because it's telling you, you know, your heritage is still steeped in this weather is openly or not. There's also this spiritual heritage to deal with. That's a whole lot of cooking foam. But its tell you that you need to look closer to home than you're thinking I was

spk_1:   1:43:45
signing. You say that that's because my family's all German and my night. My grandfather died in World War Two, fighting for the Nazis. And excuse me and, um, Ireland. Um, supposedly my half sister found some Irish in her family, but I always felt very connected to Ireland when I was there, very connected, like very spiritually connected there.

spk_0:   1:44:16
Well, if you go back even further than that, the North and the kilts, we're not that different. They were essentially the same tribe hearts, the world, my my buddy, that the Charles O ver the Ro Sports Labyrinth he's north. Oh, very Norse. When

spk_1:   1:44:32
my daughter's name seven. She's named after a Norse goddess.

spk_0:   1:44:37
He's Odin's men and he would have researched and we compare notes all the time. We see, you know, Oh, well, you know, we have this gun like that's interesting because we have this God, they're basically the same. They're just different, right? Like Dag, Uh, and an Oden. They coincide very well. And it's in my opinion, it's not their different gods. It's just a different part of world ing. And, um, but so I wouldn't look at both Norse and Celtic. We want to be looking at dot es is because what we hear is Valerie Shell and the abalone shell fall together and then both represent divine feminine. Um, the calorie still, I typically take is a lesser divine feminine force where the abalone shells a greater force. Um, so your look thing definitely a goddess, maybe a Demi goddess, but this will be cool will be the seat of your power home. It's very possible that you served as a Priestess under this beating of past life, or else in some way have dedicated yourself to her or war dedicated by someone else. And this let me just what's awakened your spark. So

spk_1:   1:45:58
oh, wow, that's very interesting. I have had visions of very, very, very, very briefly of something similar to that that I haven't. I'm quite grasp what it is.

spk_0:   1:46:13
What I have found when dealing with, like spiritual lineage, is the best way to do it is almost like a regression session. But instead of Amy and her body painting in your soul, I've actually done this myself to finding origins of my soul. It's interesting, but it is extremely possible to do this, especially to re vocation of like the Gnostic name for the highest blind powers. E phonetically, basically okay. And you could use that as a mom in True to elevate yourself that level of consciousness. And through that point, you can then reach out and see whatever you want to say. Really?

spk_1:   1:46:56
That's interesting. I hadn't thought about that. Okay, well, thank you. Thank you so much. This is I can't wait to Ah, have you back on after after we do my conjure and learn some more. I think there's a lot that our listeners could definitely benefit from your knowledge. Your very, very interesting individual. And, um and I mean, I'm blown away, so it takes a lot to blow me away. But you're no true truly. And you're very kind and very humble. And, you know, I really appreciate you spending this Goodness we've We've almost been on here two hours, so, you know, I really appreciate your taking the time. And, um, I know our listeners appreciate it, and I want to tell everybody to make sure to check out papa at www dot papa had conjure dot com. Papa had sorcery. I apologize, but sorcery dot com and and please, um, please subscribe. And like, um, the podcast, Psychic tapes. And we will see you guys next week. Thank you so much. Thanks, but

spk_0:   1:48:15
no world. Little thing

spk_1:   1:48:17
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