Curtis Williams has been a practicing Humanistic Astrologer for over 28 years. He has received formal astrological training and certifications through Glenn Perry’s Academy of Astro Psychology and Noel Tyl’s Master’s Degree Course. His life experience and personal growth are what brought him to Astrology. Having suffered a life-changing injury as a young man, he continued on the path of self-discovery and healing through Astrology. Curtis has local, national, as well as international clientele and has expertise in many of the different levels of astrology such as Natal Astrology, Relocation Astrology, Horary Astrology, Couples Synastry, Mundane Astrology, and Rectification Astrology. As a supplement to his other healing modalities Curtis is also a Certified Medical Astrologer, a Shamanic Practitioner, Ecstatic Body Posture Instructor, Subtle Energy Artist and Dream Analyst. Curtis has been a Reiki practitioner since 2002. He holds Master/Teacher certifications in both Usui and Karuna Reiki®. He is a volunteer Reiki facilitator at the Hearst Cancer Research Center and the Homeless Shelter in San Luis Obispo, California. He participates in healing days and various clinics as well as being involved with several Reiki circles on a regular basis.
He received his Master certifications for both Usui and Karuna Reiki® through the International Center for Reiki Training, which was founded by William Lee Rand. He received his first two levels in Usui Shiki Ryoho through the late Charlie Iron Eyes along with his wife Fe’ Iron Eyes. Curtis has completed and received his certification in E3 in May of 2009 from Dr William Mehring. E3 is a psychological and energy healing modality that specifically relates to and helps redirect physical, emotional, and traumatic events through personal transformation. E3 is a highly personalized approach to readdressing and examining past events that we all have experienced in our lives through the use of muscle testing, and finding resolution to problematic episodes that have been holding us back from successful relationships, and jobs. Curtis uses E3 as a transactional tool to finding core issues that directly relate to the health and diet such as allergies or overeating.
If you are interested in classes or any reading, healing etc... here is Curtis'website https://astrologyreiki.com/about.html
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Curtis Williams has been a practicing Humanistic Astrologer for over 28 years. He has received formal astrological training and certifications through Glenn Perry’s Academy of Astro Psychology and Noel Tyl’s Master’s Degree Course. His life experience and personal growth are what brought him to Astrology. Having suffered a life-changing injury as a young man, he continued on the path of self-discovery and healing through Astrology. Curtis has local, national, as well as international clientele and has expertise in many of the different levels of astrology such as Natal Astrology, Relocation Astrology, Horary Astrology, Couples Synastry, Mundane Astrology, and Rectification Astrology. As a supplement to his other healing modalities Curtis is also a Certified Medical Astrologer, a Shamanic Practitioner, Ecstatic Body Posture Instructor, Subtle Energy Artist and Dream Analyst. Curtis has been a Reiki practitioner since 2002. He holds Master/Teacher certifications in both Usui and Karuna Reiki®. He is a volunteer Reiki facilitator at the Hearst Cancer Research Center and the Homeless Shelter in San Luis Obispo, California. He participates in healing days and various clinics as well as being involved with several Reiki circles on a regular basis.
He received his Master certifications for both Usui and Karuna Reiki® through the International Center for Reiki Training, which was founded by William Lee Rand. He received his first two levels in Usui Shiki Ryoho through the late Charlie Iron Eyes along with his wife Fe’ Iron Eyes. Curtis has completed and received his certification in E3 in May of 2009 from Dr William Mehring. E3 is a psychological and energy healing modality that specifically relates to and helps redirect physical, emotional, and traumatic events through personal transformation. E3 is a highly personalized approach to readdressing and examining past events that we all have experienced in our lives through the use of muscle testing, and finding resolution to problematic episodes that have been holding us back from successful relationships, and jobs. Curtis uses E3 as a transactional tool to finding core issues that directly relate to the health and diet such as allergies or overeating.
If you are interested in classes or any reading, healing etc... here is Curtis'website https://astrologyreiki.com/about.html
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Kirsten Sandefur 0:09
Welcome to psychic babes. I'm your host, Kirsten Sandefur Hi guys, welcome to psychic babes. I'm your host, Kirsten Sandefur. And today I have a wonderful guest who is a friend of mine and is also my astrology teacher, Curtis Williams. Thank you Curtis for coming on today. Really excited to have you,
curtis williams 0:40
Kirsten, thank you for having me. I'm excited. Yeah.
Kirsten Sandefur 0:43
So Curtis has been practicing humanistic astrology for over 20 years. He has received formal training in astrology and he has many certifications and through Glen Perry's Academy of Austria psychology, and know Tyler's master degree course. And Curtis has also he has local clientele. He has clientele from around the world. He really you know, he's he's an amazing teacher side that doesn't. That doesn't surprise me but he does many different types of astrology, Natal relocation, astrology, Horry astrology. synastry. So that's for couples. And, and then medical astrology, which we'll get into that, because I don't really understand that part yet, even though we haven't delved into that. So, um, and he also He is also a certified Reiki Master, and it was up and in Corona Chi. And so, today we're going to talk about we're going to go into a little bit of a different, this isn't going to be general, just about astrology. But we'll go over some things about that. So kind of what I wanted to talk about first is what's what's going on in the world today. I mean, astrology is so I guess I didn't realize how accurate it was until I started taking classes and how I mean, I think it's actually the most accurate, you know, field of what we do, you know, of intuition and, you know, telepathy and things. I think it's it really is almost a science, you know, I mean, it is a science, the scientific community does. Yeah. So hopefully they'll start accepting that soon. But, and so what I want to ask the guest is, so what's with what's going on in the world today? Did you see that coming in the charts? I mean, did you see that coming in, you know, in the transits, and things like that?
curtis williams 2:41
Sure. That's a good question. And before I get into that, I just want to say that I've been practicing astrology for about 35 years now the 20 years is from I've never updated my website. So that's no one's fault. But mine. But yeah, I've been doing astrology, I've been practicing astrology for over 35 years. Now to get to your question. Did I see it coming? Well, every country has its own birth chart for when it became a country. In summary, find some are United States there are this controversy of times over what time or what date our government was instituted. However, the best way to look at the country is to look at the astrological chart of the leader.
So
I see it coming. Well, I saw this come in. In fact, I blogged the day before about Senator Ted Cruz, and that there's possibly even going to be a coup.
So
to get back to your question, you look at the planets, the the the slower moving planets, the generational planets, Pluto, Neptune and Uranus. Those are very slow moving planets. And so you look at them, see what they're about what signer and because they're going to be in assigned for quite some time, particularly Pluto, it's going to be in there for a good while. So that's a good way to look at it now. Right now Pluto's in the sign of Capricorn. It's at the latter end of Capricorn. So it's getting ready to move into the next sign. Which would be Aquarius, but Capricorns about big government. One of the things
Kirsten Sandefur 4:30
Big Brother,
curtis williams 4:31
yeah, big brother. big government. And yeah, that's what we for the last while, but in particularly the last four years have been difficult. I've been following ex President Trump's chart for some time now and it wasn't hard to see what was coming down particularly the incident on January 6,
Kirsten Sandefur 4:59
Well, now with the Q anon thing everybody thought, you know, I didn't buy into it because I thought this is some kind of psyop. As is to. This is too strange to be. But I paid attention to it, and I read about it, but I didn't want to give it too much credence, because it just does too good to be true, you know? And when you know, then then this movie came out about the follow the Cabal, right. And they may I don't know if you've seen that, but they made Trump out to be some kind of time traveler. And it was just like, it was a great movie until the end. And I thought, whoa, they went really like way
left and turn there. Yeah.
Yeah. And it's, I think, because people thought, because obviously, his, I think his uncle was the person who cleaned out Tesla's stuff, you know, when he died, Nikola Tesla. And so they think he probably was privy to some knowledge that we, you know, we don't know about, particularly with time travel and stuff like that, because I believe I firmly believe Nikola Tesla was, that was either on the cusp of getting stuff like that, or he, you know, he knew how to do it. But, but so getting back to the, you know, that kind of stuff. I guess I thought, you know, I was hoping that we would go back to a norm before, you know, with all the masks and all this kind of stuff. Like is this ever gonna stop? Do you see that? Do you see that happening? Or do you just see it getting crazier?
curtis williams 6:36
Yeah. Again, good question. Well, dude, to take on the queue. And on Congresswoman green, she has a lot of beliefs, and especially within the Q anon group, they think a lot of things. And so it goes from one extreme to the other. But there are some theories that you know, the Q anon people, and que nos just very recently, but the conspiracy people have been thinking and stating a lot of things. That some could be true, some not. However, most people live in a different reality, which is this reality. And you can't really be talking about that kind of thing, because it was seriously anyway, especially as a leader, a political leader. Yeah, I don't, I've never even thought that way. Don't think that way. And it's just not really appropriate. But the to see whether a que nos coming along. You know, again, generational planet, Neptune is, in its own sign Pisces. And so Pisces deals a lot with a lot of a lack of clarity, really high ideals, but also being in the ether not being grounded. So this is gonna be going on for a while.
Kirsten Sandefur 8:08
When you say a while Do you like two years? You mean four years? Five years?
curtis williams 8:12
I'd say at least 10-15 years?
Kirsten Sandefur 8:15
Wow. Well, I think for those of us that have sort of transcended a little bit, you know, past a lot of this kind of stuff, it just doesn't really affect me anymore. You know, I guess it's not too much of a big deal. But when you raise kids, you know, in this kind of climate, it's scary. You know, and that's what you want to you want to grab on to some kind of hope, but you can't be you know, you can't be naive and believe that, you know, somebody is going to ride in on a white horse and, and and save the world. You got to save yourself basically. Right?
curtis williams 8:50
Right. And you know what, at least Personally, my belief is that we come here for a certain for certain reasons, each of us individually, and that's our blueprint is in a natal chart. So I don't think we really want somebody coming in on a white horse. We're here for these types of experiences to feel either pain, discomfort, love, happiness, all those sensations and feelings that we have as human beings. That's why we come here and that's why we have a body to experience those things. But unfortunately, Kirsten, we each were acquainted with the same person. And he mentioned to me that we've gone just just gone over the tipping point now so I don't know about there's any rectification of this.
Kirsten Sandefur 9:45
Yeah, yeah. I was I was told that the Antichrist is already here. And it's kind of preparing you know, it's things are preparing to go down. So you know, Who knows, I'm interested to see what happens with this whole disclosure thing in 90 days, I think it's going to get really interesting, at any rate, whether it's going to be some kind of false flag, because I can see the government totally trying to pull something like that. But but from all the downloads that I've gotten, it's very much there turns of just said, Just calm, everything's gonna be fine. It's going to be the way it's supposed to be. Just do what you're supposed to do. And everything, you know, everything will be taken care of like, so I'm trusting in that and going about my day doing thing, you know, everything that I'm trying to help individual people individually to come around and to wake up. And it's cool, because Don't you see people more and more people are starting to wake up to thoughts and ideas. I mean, 10 years ago, if you know q anon, if you would have talked about something like that. People like What in the world? And now, the general public's talking about right?
curtis williams 10:58
There are some metrics?
Well, there's one major website out there, that deals in what we're talking about. But now they've become more political. But these kinds of conversations regarding specifically q anon, have been around for some time. And so q anon isn't really anything new other than it fell into the political lap of
the
Kirsten Sandefur 11:27
crazy?
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I definitely I definitely agree there. And I so I guess what, what is your kind of take on it? What do you what message do you want to give to people as, as you know, hope for the future? What should they be doing? What should listeners be doing to make things better?
curtis williams 11:51
That's a good question. Well, I think you touched on just just a moment ago, and that is doing you know, getting back to the thing, getting back in touch with self getting back in touch with what do you want? What do you want to teach your children, you have a young child, I have grandchildren, you want the best for them? So what can you do for them? Now, so not to worry about tomorrow, so much as today, we only have the present. That's all we have tomorrow's in the future. And yesterday's bind us. So all we have is right now, and do the best things that you can for you and your family. And I think that'd be very helpful for any individual if they're having difficulty.
Kirsten Sandefur 12:38
Yeah, thanks for that. I mean, that, that's great advice. Because I know I get a lot of that people ask me that everyday, what can I do to change my situation? Like, I feel depressed, you know, those things are never going to get better. And say, Well, if you feel depressed, let change it up, you know, start meditating, get out of the whole craziness of what's going on. I also are quieter. And you know, like out in the, I mean, I'm up here in Northern California right now. And it's, it's so nice to be in Southern California. Just, it's very quiet town. And it's snowing up here. And it's like, no, this is kind of this is kind of cool. And, you know, I'm able to meditate a lot longer every day. And, you know, and so, I think I think that for me, is what I have, what is what I take from it, but, um, yeah, so. And next question. I The reason I kind of sought you out as a teacher, I was looking all around and I've told you this before, is because I found your blog, and I thought it was super interesting, because you sort of delve into things that nobody talks about, and nobody really goes into in astrology. It's always just very, yeah. Okay, here's the plan. This is what this means. But so to explain to my viewers, I saw an article that Curtis had written about how to tell if there's like, some kind of rape or, you know, incest or anything like that in the family. And I thought, wow, that's, I mean, that could really help a lot of people, you know, get closure, because I know I have a very good girlfriend who that happened to her and she didn't didn't have any memory of it until she was able to look you know, see it in her chart and and recognize it from there. So what how can you if you can kind of in just on a broad scale, kind of explain to people what you would look at for those kinds of things like those kind of abstract things or something like that. No, no, they're
curtis williams 14:34
they're not abstract and it's, it's amazing. You know, I have an analytics page. So I check pretty much every day to see what blog posts people read on my website. And I would say every day, the most read is usually about the sexual
component?
Kirsten Sandefur 15:01
trauma? Yeah. I mean, what is it something like, one in four women have been raped or been through incest? I mean,
curtis williams 15:09
at least I think it may be one in three. So there's a lot and a majority of my clients, female clients, and I've had a couple male clients. Yeah, that happened to them in their families. And it's very difficult. It's a major, major trauma and and they never get get over it.
Kirsten Sandefur 15:29
Fortunately, I can't imagine I would think goodness, I, you know, I haven't had to go through something like that. But I've had people in my family and my friends, like I said, who have had to deal with that. And it's, it's tough. Yeah. And so and so where would people look if they want to, if they understand if they're actually in the basics of astrology? What would they look at? All right.
curtis williams 15:54
There are
a number of facets to this to your question, but particularly for astrology. And that is the the major component would be Venus in difficult or stressful aspect to Pluto.
So unlike square,
well, yeah, square opposition conjunction, Quinta cheela and conjunct sesqui quadrant? Yeah, there are a number of aspects that really bring that up. But for women, I would say look at the Venus Pluto relationship, see what houses they are in? What signs they're in, and see. And then and then after you if you establish that there's a connection between Venus this again, this is for women, particularly, Venus and Pluto, then you look to the sun or Saturn, both those planets are representative of the father or man or both. Yes. And so as you just stated, one in 413 women are sexually assaulted. And or have had an inappropriate relationship with what with a father or brother, a male, you know, that Saturn. And so that's what I would look at. But that's just the beginning. It's like a fresh coat, you pull it, and they'll just keep on coming.
Kirsten Sandefur 17:26
Just saying, I know a lot of my listeners are more advanced than I mean, I'm just learning astrology. So person I've, we've had but six lessons. And I'm still just on the tip of the iceberg. But I'm starting to understand more of it now. So, but my listeners have quite a bit more expertise in this area. So I think they they'll understand kind of what you're talking about looking at, you know, those different things. Would you also look at your Ascendant or anything like that? No, would that not?
curtis williams 17:56
Yeah, yeah, of course, you look to the ascendant because the ascendant is one of the health houses, health houses and sex, right. And, but again, it needs to start, you don't want to look at Pluto in relationship to the ascendant. Again, for women, it's Venus. For men, it's generally Mars. But sometimes it's Venus as well. And then you build on that, then see where the sun and the moon are at, and how they aspect. Pluto for Neptune, Venus, and Pluto or Neptune? And then it starts to tell that story.
Kirsten Sandefur 18:34
Wow, that's fascinating. I mean, no kind of another. I know this, this isn't really your your, your area of expertise, but I'm gonna ask it anyways. Because I think I've asked you to make this in class. But, um, so people who think they might have been abducted, or they've you know, they want to know what their star seed origin is? Can you tell that in a chart?
curtis williams 18:59
Yeah, that's a good question. Well, okay. When you're looking at the birth chart, that's, that's the position of the planets in the sky when you were born. So it's a picture taken from Earth, essentially. Right. So you're dealing with earth. And as far as being abducted, you know, I would suggest if you're going to look forward, look and see what's going on with Neptune. But from my experience, I haven't ever seen anything, and I haven't looked for it to be honest, within somebody's chart, but I do know those things happen, or I feel they do. And so yeah, it's a good question. And you're right, it's not my expertise. So the best I can do is tell you look towards Neptune.
Kirsten Sandefur 19:45
There are a couple ladies on GAIA Tv who they actually study, you know, the different people who have been abducted like the Travis Walton story and, and they'll set their charts and try to see commonalities between them. And so I thought I thought that was interesting and while I've never been abducted. But why at least I don't think I have I don't know. MUFON told me I was but I disagree. But I always wanted to know, because I know I'm Arcturian and I work with Arcturians. How is there a new way to tell in my chart? If there's a where the relationship is to Arcturians? Which would be the Bootes galaxy? But I guess it would be our Arcturus.
curtis williams 20:28
Yeah. Um, Kirsten, I don't know that I could tell you. But what I could suggest because as you're learning and eventually, will be practicing astrology. If you run if you get a client who says, Well, I've been I've been abducted in this, what you need to do is ask them, give me the date and about the time and then apply it to their birth chart and see what see what shows up there.
Kirsten Sandefur 20:53
Okay, okay. But what about people who want to know their origin? With that's, that is that's not something you can?
curtis williams 21:00
Well, if they have a belly button, their origin is here.
Kirsten Sandefur 21:05
I mean, they're starseed origin, because you can see past life stuff. In your chart
curtis williams 21:09
Now, you're talking about the lunar nodes. And that's, again, you know, it's amazing astrology is a science, but it's like medicine. Now. You know, medicine is broken down to specialties and so astrology has to in the last 200 years, 150 years that everything is a specialty now. So
as far as their starseed origin, yeah, I couldn't tell you. I couldn't tell you. I wish I could.
Kirsten Sandefur 21:37
Yeah, No, I haven't. I mean, I have a friend who's a forensic astrologer and she looks for dead bodies postmortem, you know, after she tries to help the families find bodies. And she could not either. she works with families and post mortem after somebody has been murdered or missing, to try to find them. And they've been, She has got a group of like, there's like five individuals. Some are remote viewers but The rest are pretty much astrologers. And, and yeah, they they've solved something like 250 some odd crimes, like you know, I mean, solved not meaning that they were able to pin it on somebody but solved being that they were able to give that family closure and find the body and and so I mean, how she does that is beyond me, but you know, but I know you can figure out time of death through astrology chart. I know it's not ethical, right, but
curtis williams 22:38
well yeah, yeah, it's not. I only found out to try to determine the time of someone's death coming up or past. But that's not something that I teach. However, there is a modality called radesthesia that's working with pendulums.
Kirsten Sandefur 23:01
Wow yeah I'm certified in Radesthesia Yeah.
curtis williams 23:03
Yeah. There you go. So get their chart. Hold your pendulum over it. Ask questions. If you're looking for someone you think you have an idea. Oh, hold your pendulum out. Yeah.
Kirsten Sandefur 23:19
Oh, yeah. Geez, I didn't even think of it like that. That's good idea. Yeah, their chart Yeah. Okay. Interesting. So, um, but the time of death or I guess you can't really figure out exact time of death. But is it is that Vedic Astrology only that can that can kind of get into how somebody is going to die. And, and the about the year or the date,
Unknown Speaker 23:42
Yes right now, vedic astrology, they say, I've been told that they can be very accurate with someone's upcoming death.
curtis williams 23:52
Now.
My, one of my mentors know, Noel Teal that you mentioned earlier in the opening he he passed away about a year ago. And it turns out that the formula for figuring out well, was this was this time of death for him was as accurate as far as astrology goes, and apparently it was right on.
Kirsten Sandefur 24:20
Wow that is creepy
curtis williams 24:24
Yes, because of its accuracy. You don't really want to be spreading that because people, some people become really fixated on it.
Kirsten Sandefur 24:31
Well, you also, you can also collapse the wave function, you know, you can if you focus on something, you can almost manifest that.faster
curtis williams 24:38
Yeah, sure. Yeah.
Kirsten Sandefur 24:40
Yeah. I mean, I firmly believe that so I definitely don't think it's a good idea to go, you know, hey, let's figure out when I'm going to die and how I'm going to die. But, you know, I've, I've had to kind of have my friend look into some things because I was dating somebody was doing some destructive things. And so I was Trying to make sure. You know, is there going to be okay, is he not? And? Yeah, so that's how I learned about that. And I was just blown away that it's that mathematical and that, you know that you can actually figure that out. And I hope, I hope that sooner or later, physicians and scientists, and they all they all come together so we can all work together to help one another, you know, with, you know, solving crimes with, you know, health issues, because there's so much that astrology can do. And it's just, I don't know, people poopoo it still, it's like, they think it's pseudoscience.
curtis williams 25:44
What it comes down to is intellectual snobbery. I had my own radio show, years, about 10 years ago. And I had, I was going to have a guest that was a professor at the University of Irvine. And initially, I when I asked him, he said, Yeah, sure, I'd love to. But then when he found out that I was an astrologer, he called he didn't call emailed me and said he couldn't be on
now.
I don't know if it was his personal decision, or it was the universities,
or both.
Yeah, it was and what was crummy about that was, as you know, when you schedule someone and they bail, disrupt things,
Kirsten Sandefur 26:31
like you have sponsors and stuff in there, like, they don't care.
curtis williams 26:35
Right. So yeah, they think it's a pseudoscience, but they don't really understand that. Astronomy, medicine, psychology. It's all piggybacked off of astrology.
Kirsten Sandefur 26:49
Yeah, yeah. I mean, the sign for you know, this the snake with the that's an old ancient symbol that that we took, you know, that you know, I guess it was what did they find that in, in Egypt and, and on cave drawings and stuff with aliens on them? And then we took that and use that in medicine?
curtis williams 27:11
Right, the cadeusus ?
Kirsten Sandefur 27:13
correct. Yeah.
curtis williams 27:14
Yeah, some symbolism. symbology you know, astrology, but that's a big part of astrology. Yeah. It it's been around astrology has been around for forever longer than medicine longer. I mean, psychotherapy psychoanalysis.
Kirsten Sandefur 27:30
since the beginning of Time, really? Right? I mean,
Unknown Speaker 27:33
yeah. And the other ones, the other practices. The other modalities are just recent, you know, like the last 150 -250 years and so that's nothing in comparison to time. Yeah,
Kirsten Sandefur 27:47
yeah. And I mean, Western medicine and as opposed to Eastern medicine to has gosh, it's like a
curtis williams 27:53
right, yeah, it's, and you know what, person and that's something I would strongly recommend. Anyone who's listening to this is to find as many modalities as you can and learn them, such as herbology, such as radiusthesia, which is pendulums, alchemy, these are esoteric modalities and not really discussed within the average conversation, but these modalities are extremely helpful in healing, helping healing other people.
Kirsten Sandefur 28:32
Well, I think it's so interesting. I was watching. I love Paul Stamets. You know, he's the mycologist, who works with mushrooms, and he was on Joe Rogan show. And he had a stuttering problem when he was 15. And he took psilocybin mushrooms, and the intention to I want to stop stuttering, and he never stuttered again, after the very first time that he did. And then we're now seeing all these things with ADHD, and that it's happening helping people with post traumatic stress disorder, like right then in there, you know, one, one dose of it, and even micro dosing and, you know, has pretty significant effects. And, you know, this is me, this is crazy, that it's illegal. And these people, you know, these people need to help they're going to war for us and we can't,
curtis williams 29:22
you know, so, so a good, I think a something to work in conjunction with, say, the mushrooms or psilocybin, DMT. Those types of hallucinogens. You know, that's what you're talking about. It's, it's the drug particularly the mushroom that heals you. And there are individuals in that world who help you heal through that drug using use of that drug. And same with shamanism the shamans go in, If you are on top of this. They will go in And the whole, one of the major tenants of shamanism is get to the weak point in the genetic makeup before it happens, like with heart disease, for example, and adjust that, fix that and that that's involved that's involved. But it can be done through work with shamans. it can be done with through the work of these hallucinogens. However, this is strict business. This isn't to, you know, just get high and have fun.
Kirsten Sandefur 30:32
it's not to mess around with it too serious thing that should not be done. Yeah. And it's a respectful thing of you. You don't do it without a shot and supervision. And because they know what they're doing. They they know intimately Well, what they're doing. And
curtis williams 30:47
yeah, are you are you familiar with the writer and philosopher, and I think he was a some type of priest in the Anglican Church in England. Alan Watts. He's heard I've heard that name before it well known. But he introduced his children to LSD. And he got it. This is what I read anyway. And I wasn't there. I don't know for sure. But what I read was he introduced each of his children to LSD, and he was the mentor, so to speak. He guided them I guess through these experiences or trips. And same thing goes, same thing goes with mushrooms or with Ahyuasca? It's very important to have somebody there to guide you. Not peripherally, but absolutely be right there directly.
Kirsten Sandefur 31:45
I fully agree. And, you know, I think if it's funny because Paul Stamets made a comment saying, you know, families got together and did like, and did psilocybin mushrooms together and , worked on things, the world would be a better place, we wouldn't have all this family problems. And I can say, my parents are very, like, strict never done a drug in their life, right? Well, two years ago, my dad's been in a lot of pain and whatnot. So maybe they came out to Park City for Christmas. And I said, Dad, I really want you to try psilocybin mushrooms with lion's mane and Reishi together and Niacin. Because that's Paul Stamets protocol and, and I've been doing some research on what's going on with him. And he was that he was, you know, adamant about Nope, nope, nope. In fact, my mom just said, Why don't you just do it, what's you know what's going to happen? So what's gonna happen? And so my dad and I did, we did mushrooms together. And it was the awesomest experience I've ever had with my father in my life, we got close on a level that we've never been able to before. And it was just, I don't know, it truly was an amazing experience for both of us. And he was out of pain, you know, for once, like, and now of course, he's trying to find it, going through the normal route to try to find it, and he can't get anybody to help him.
curtis williams 33:07
Right. see, that's the thing. And so there, there are schools out there that you can take, but they're involved. It's not just a weekend or a couple of weeks. It's involved. So practitioners, it's very important for practitioners to get some type of a formal education, whether it's online, in person, journey, astrally, whatever, you it's important. And the more these practices you can incorporate into your practice, the more people you're going to be able to help. So for instance, what you did with your father was, seems like it worked out really well. But it has to be uptaken
Kirsten Sandefur 33:47
I've also I've studied shamanism for quite some time as well. Now, and i and i apprenticed under a gentleman for a while as well. And, and I think that that apprenticeship needs to really start coming back, because that's the way to learn under somebody with the kinds of things that we do, you know, especially with, you know, being psychic and doing readings for people, you really have to watch it, you have to go through the trial and errors of it to figure out what to do and what not to do. You can't just go out there willy nilly on your own, because you could actually really hurt somebody.
curtis williams 34:25
Well, unfortunately, Kirsten, there are a lot of people who do that. They're not trying to intentionally hurt someone, but they don't have the knowledge. They don't have the experience. They don't have the backup. And so when they get in trouble, not a good thing.
Kirsten Sandefur 34:42
Yeah, and I mean, I just, I mean, part of my mission in life is to kind of create, I guess, a protocol for at least for psychics, where there has to be a training period you have to get some sort of certification and pass like a minimum above level act. sea level, right order practice, because I know you know, this, I track my accuracy. I'm very, I'm very rigid about it. And I'm very strict with it, because, and I keep trying to be better. I'm at 81%. Now, and sometimes I go a little bit down sometimes, you know, I, but at 81% size had gotten, and I know what I was telling you the day I know, with adding the astrology portion, it's going to give me the full picture. And I think, you know, hopefully I'll get pretty close to, you know, being I mean, almost 100% accurate. That's my goal anyway, so
curtis williams 35:36
well, you know, and I commend you for seeking out instruction. I did the same thing. And I wish I would have started earlier. I'm in you know, I'm over 65. So, and I started, what, 30 years ago, 35 years ago. So I wish I would have started like a 2021, which is the general age for college students. That's because then you have more time and to delineate what, what is going on around you. But I encourage anybody who's thinking about the topics that we're discussing, and modalities that I've mentioned, to seek out someone who can teach you this.
Kirsten Sandefur 36:20
And Curtis is a wonderful teacher, guys. You're also a shaman so do you teach?
curtis williams 36:25
Shemanic practitioner? Yes. Yes. And I've studied under some notable people, Sandra Ingerman, being one of them. And so yeah, you need to seek out instruction, I can appreciate why people just want to do it. Go ahead and start picking it up. But find a teacher, a credible teacher, not someone who says, but someone who can tell you well, yeah, here are my mentors. These are the people I studied under. And then
let them check your background and then go from there.
Kirsten Sandefur 37:01
But this is always shamanism, you can get yourself into some real trouble yourself, right? I mean, if you're not, you don't have the proper protection.
curtis williams 37:08
Andyes, there's a certain way to go about it, or certain ways to go about it. And there are different like anything else. There are different branches of shamanism. So I can I know one, his last name is Cowan. I can't remember his first name. He's He's a big time, Shaman. And like I said, Sandra Ingerman. And there's a couple others, but yeah, they're out there.
Kirsten Sandefur 37:34
Well, that's interesting. I don't have to be that I'll have to be in my next class. After we finished with astrology, we'll start shamanism stuff. Because I, I really want I feel called to go back into into that as well. But um, I want to talk a little bit about the medical astrology part of what you do, and then went to your master class stuff. But um, yeah, if you can give the readers just kind of an idea, because I think most people probably haven't heard about this. And I was researching it. And I was just blown away that the different planets correspond to different areas in the body and ailments and things. You know, it was just I was I was absolutely blown away by that.
curtis williams 38:12
Yeah. Yeah, medical astrology is just like medical, intuition. Well, anything because like you said, there are rulerships planetary rulerships for a different nerve for the ear canal for the ear lobe for the brain and different parts of everything there. So important to know these things. And it's very involved. And so here's what I would suggest about medical astrology, Get a foundation in general astrology. And then if you think you want to become a medical astrologer, it is involved. And I would say, Take herbal classes in conjunction or alongside with medical astrology, and and study it that way. And it's, like I said, it's involved. However, If you have a good, astrological Foundation, and you have clients that come to you for medical reasons, then you have experience as to what's been bothering them, you know, you go to their house of health, you do the rulerships. You go to the transits, the progressions, the solar arcs, the solar returns, lunar, you know, tons of charts. So there's a lot of investigation going on in there. And another thing I would highly recommend is, don't make a diagnosis. Just say, I suspect, and I
Kirsten Sandefur 39:40
this is something you want to check out. Yeah,
curtis williams 39:43
yeah. You want to check it out with your your doctor because you could end up in a lot of trouble. And you could have your client up in a lot of trouble as well. So yeah, it's it's very involved, and most medical astrologers. The practice had been Studying astrology for at least 20 years.
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