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Speaker 3:Welcome to the Bat Pod episode five. My name is Bill Beer and, joining me, as always, joey Galvez.
Speaker 1:Hey how you doing today Bill.
Speaker 3:Pretty good, pretty good. So normally we would record on Thursday every two weeks, me and you get together. This time, the Thursday, what we would have recorded is Thanksgiving. So we're doing this episode a little bit early. We have no Batman book the first time. That will be next episode. But what we're going to do tonight is we're going to do Detective Comics non-92, red Hood Outlaw, number 28 and Nightwing, number 52. We do have a Stump, the Co host. That should be kind of exciting. And we're going to do something a little bit different for character spotlight. It's actually going to be a Thanksgiving theme. It was Joey's idea. Thanksgiving themed book we're actually going to do. That's Batman related.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you did not like this idea. You were like, uh, yeah, that's not going to happen.
Speaker 3:Not a big fan.
Speaker 1:I'm a huge fan of the Hall of Nays man. I am one of those, and we were talking about it a little bit. I'm a sappy fella and I really get sappy around the holidays.
Speaker 3:I apologize in advance. Joey's going to get sappy and I'm sure, since he's editing, that will not be edited out.
Speaker 1:I don't edit anything out, especially if it embarrasses me.
Speaker 3:Well, that's always good.
Speaker 1:Alright, let's have some fun.
Speaker 3:Okay, let's head to the books.
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Speaker 3:Our first book is Red Hood Outlaw number 28. Your writer is Scott Loobdale, your artist and cover artist is Pete Woods, your colors are Rex Locus, your letters is ALW's Troy Peterie, your variant cover is Yas Moon Putri And your group editor Mary Javins, and your editor is Rob Levin. So in this issue we see the Red Hood, jason Todd, still investigating the under life. He goes to Appletown. Have you ever been to Appletown, by the way?
Speaker 1:No, but I hear they have great pie.
Speaker 3:Yeah, appletown on Apple Day. All these friendly, nice folks Turn into murderers. Jason Todd gets attacked and hung on what looks to be a cross. He's almost gutted by a mechanical hawk, like monster, and Batwoman comes in to save the day. It was an interesting issue, to say the least.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I knew these people were going to be a little off because he was there. Right. But about this under life, you know it's kind of complex. It's kind of a bunch of mobsters that conglomerate. You know they're all working together somehow. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And they're all from many different walks of life as well. You got some guys who are bikers. You have this whole town, yeah.
Speaker 3:And there at the beginning, you see the sheriff from a few issues ago that he took down. He didn't kill him, but he took down. He's got a broken leg and a black eye. Something's going with his neck because he has that collar on. I guess this is one of under life's enforcer, which is wingman.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we see wingman come on in here. And what's what's weird is you know, they open up this book here. They're talking about Red Hood and they're like oh, that's not him, that's wingman. But I was reading up on this. It wasn't Jason Todd wingman for a little while, or.
Speaker 3:Why don't you tell us who wingman is? You were always prepared on these kind of things.
Speaker 1:When I'm reading here about wingman. He was a member of the club of heroes considered to be the Batman of Sweden.
Speaker 3:He was actually originally introduced in Batman number 65 from 1951. Bruce Wayne actually recruits wingman to be a costume crime fighter, a version of Batman for Europe. In this version, his costume was bright, red and yellow. Okay, much like Dick Grayson's costume, minus the green.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And he would also appear on the pages of Batman of all nations.
Speaker 1:And his name was Benedict Runstrom.
Speaker 3:So that actually makes this a lot more interesting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because you wonder who this guy is And it makes me wonder, you know, was Red Hood's wingman a part of this continuity, or are they just going to go with?
Speaker 3:Well, you know, continuity is kind of fuzzy at the moment.
Speaker 3:Some preview. You know, the more that rebirth has happened, the more they've adapted some of this pre-flashpoint continuity. So it's hard to say what is there. I think all Batman and Superman's pre-continuity is there, but it's hard to say because there's some people that villains that died pre-flashpoint that are alive now. So it's kind of a mixed bag as far as that goes. You know DC sort of dropped the ball with this. You know New 52 and we really don't know what happened in the past and what didn't. And you know, here at the Bat Pod we do this Batman podcast but really we do not know everything that ever happened in any of these books. I've read a lot of these books. I read a lot of Batman comics. I don't remember every detail that happens in them. So we do have to look this stuff up.
Speaker 3:So, if you're listening to these guys don't know anything. Well, you know, i've read a lot of stuff. I don't remember every detail. Some things I remember better than others. So yeah, that's kind of interesting.
Speaker 1:And seeing that guy towards the end, that big guy, he almost looked a whole lot like Solomon Grundy to me, but then you saw that he had all this mechanical. he was like a biomechanical, like Hulk, like guy or whatever.
Speaker 3:When I first saw him I sort of thought I didn't think it was him. Yeah, i'm 34 second, but the way he talked it didn't. It was out of character And then, yeah, i didn't think it was him at all. But the one thing I find interesting is, okay, he gets attacked by this crowd at this Apple. Yeah, they have Apple day where it's Apple, everything, apple side or Apple pie. Apparently, jason Todd doesn't like Apple pie. That's just not American.
Speaker 3:He gets attacked by all these people. They have shovels, pitchforks, axes, knives. He gets overwhelmed. The one guy has a sledgehammer to his face. Yeah, they're at the one point. But he gets overcome by all these people And next thing he's on this cross, right, right, in his Red Hood uniform. They put on his little eyepiece, his little mouthpiece that he wears now, and he's in his Red Hood gear. They went to a lot of trouble to put him in his uniform.
Speaker 1:That was kind of funny. I noticed that too. I had to flip back a couple of pages. I said, did I just skip a couple of pages Because he's now in his uniform? That was really weird.
Speaker 3:It was almost like a ritual killing of some sort.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying Right, like they sent this monster in there to go to. It's like a almost reminded me of, like King Kong, when they had that woman wrapped up on that pole to go. You know, sacrifice to King Kong, that's kind of what they're doing here Sacrifices up to this monster. This is a no named monster. I guess that is just a no named generic character, at least for now I'm sure. I wonder if they're going to come up with something here And he's a new character that they're going to give a name.
Speaker 3:Probably not, because you see, it's like there's several others attacking. It's just some kind of android that they built or whatever. Yeah, i think that you won't really see him after this Right Probably Issue. But yeah, batman Woman comes in and, of course, if you read Solitius, you know she was going to show up here pretty soon. Lately I've been trying to stay away from Solicits.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, because I seem to enjoy stuff more. I've been staying away from the Batman Solicits, to be honest, because I think I enjoy stuff a little more, because the one thing that we did the last time was that Batman with the penguin or Alfred was was almost shot And that was in the Solicits about Alfred, you know. Oh, really, was it Yes?
Speaker 3:It was in one of the Solicits And it's like I'm glad I didn't remember that And this would have meant a lot more to me if I didn't know she was going to show up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, How are you going to give that away? But it almost looks like she came in to like, fight him. This is where I was confused, I told you. I was like I'm going to have to read this again because I'm a little confused. Because first of all, I was confused and whether that big guy was Solomon Grundy or not, And then I saw that he was a biomechanical monster. So it was like, yeah, that's not him. And then I saw, you know, Batman Woman come in and the first page, she's in there. She's got a pitchfork to Red Hood's back and you're and they start fighting a little bit and you're just like what are they going to team up? Where are they going to fight? What was she there for in the first place?
Speaker 3:I'm not sure. I think that we're going to find that out. I know I don't think she's there to attack them or anything. She's trying to basically save them, but it's just sticking the fork in the back. you know, as Jason Todd is not like it's Batman or anything.
Speaker 1:I thought, I just thought that was a little weird. And they're both ousted from Gotham, so that's kind of, but she's still wearing the the the Batman logo on her chest and he's, he's not.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, she wore that before she was even part of that family So yeah, this was an interesting one And now that after I kind of looked some stuff up and kind of we talked about it a little bit, it seems a little bit more interesting than than it did at first. I didn't, i wasn't too much into it before And it was, i thought, the the the least strong, strongest out of all three of the books that we picked.
Speaker 3:So I enjoyed it. There wasn't a lot that that got moved forward. You don't find any more about this after life. It just is basically an issue So him and batwoman can get together.
Speaker 1:Yeah, possibly you know I did enjoy the, the, the issue before those ones, better than this this one here You had. you know, obviously you saw a little bit of Bruce come in and you kind of almost see them kind of have a mutual respect with one another when Bruce comes in and tells them about Roy, roy Harper's death, and that's a big one, right. I mean, between this one and the and the Titans we find out that Roy Harper is actually dead.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the only thing weird to me, it's not really mentioned in the actual book where he died.
Speaker 1:You had to read the Titans and you had to read this one Yes To actually get the answer that he's dead.
Speaker 3:Yeah, i mean they, they mentioned it in in you know words but and you see it in one panel but it's never discussed.
Speaker 1:So, and you always, when you see superheroes laid out like they're dead, you always wonder are they really dead? Cause I mean, it's comics, right, i'm interested to see what's going on here and how they're going to team up. But you're right, this one, there wasn't a lot of forward progression, it was. It did feel kind of like they had to write something in there to get him to team up with Batwoman.
Speaker 3:I'm looking forward to see where this goes, so it's not like I'm jumping off this. Yeah, should be interesting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, i definitely want to see where they're going to take this one, i mean, and who this version of Wingman is.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's the most interesting thing, i think now. Yeah, that, and you know, or Batwoman and Red Hood going to work together, that's kind of interesting, but we'll see where this goes, cool, cool. So next we will head to topic of the week.
Speaker 5:Joe Chill, you were the slinking coward who murdered Thomas and Martha Wayne. That was a lifetime ago. Yes, my lifetime. You took them without mercy or regret and in cold blood, chill. How do you know this? How could you possibly? I know because I watched it happen. I know because I am the son of the man you murdered. I am Bruce Wayne.
Speaker 1:No. Oh no.
Speaker 1:Hey, how's it going everybody? This is Joey Galvez here and this is going to be our topic of the week segment. This week we're doing something a little bit different. Unfortunately, Bill could not make it. I think you said he's going to be off researching some trivia for the next Stump, the Coho segment. But this week I've got a very special guest on and we're going to be talking about a very special topic of the week. I've got my wife, Elizabeth Galvez, on. today We're going to be talking about the psychology of Batman and specifically the psychology of Batman since the wedding break up. So how's it going, wife?
Speaker 6:I am fantastic husband.
Speaker 1:So this topic was kind of something that I wanted to talk about a little bit And I don't know if it was going to be a topic that Bill would be too much into. But I felt like I really wanted to touch basis on this a little bit. It kind of goes hand in hand with all the books that have happened since the wedding. I wanted to kind of bring up the mental state that Bruce and Batman are kind of going through. Since he was left at the altar, He had a son who was shot, He had his manservant almost shot in the head and then he beat up multiple people. There's got to be something going on there right?
Speaker 6:Well, if we're going to look at this from a psychological background, how much was Batman actually held as a kid?
Speaker 1:I don't know about that one, But I mean we got to first kind of talk about how the first trauma that he experienced at a young age was obviously his parents dying right in front of him.
Speaker 6:Right. So, and I know that you like to make fun of me a lot because my Batman basis comes from the movies and not the books. But my understanding of Alfred is that, yes, he's the butler, yes, he's the hired help, but he's a friend of the family. Yeah.
Speaker 6:And even though he's reared Batman and the Bat family even though he's been a huge component in that. My understanding is that Alfred is really essentially a butler. He's not a trained therapist. He's not trained to deal with anything. Hired help essentially. Yeah, and he was put into that position, you know, unfortunately after the, after his parents died And he was which happens a lot of times, because we've seen tons of movies where you know the maid ends up or the nanny ends up being the best person in the family I know that our kids.
Speaker 6:God mom is so much wiser than we will ever be and always has better insight or input than you and I could ever have. She's not a therapist. She's not trained to deal with the trauma of watching your parents die.
Speaker 1:Correct. Yeah, and it's. It's one of those things where you know, he's kind of learning along with Bruce as well, you know, and this is all happening for the first time for him as well. But the thing is that is such a huge thing, right? A small child going through something like this at a young age and then growing into, you know, a college age young man.
Speaker 1:And if we're going to be talking about Batman through comic books and movies and TV shows, we got to bring up Batman Begins, where you see the Bruce Wayne get very upset and he, you know, he's in the courtroom and he's, you know, you got Joe Chill, the person who killed his parents, there on trial And somebody asks you know, we have a, we have a member of the Wayne family here and do they want to say anything? He stands up, walks out and he has a gun in his pocket. He wants to kill the man who killed his parents. Wow. So you know he's been living with this from a really young age, all the way up to leaving college, graduating from college, and he's held this animosity towards this person. That's got to do something on your psyche.
Speaker 6:Right, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1:And then if we're going to be talking about, you know, the comic books, you know he's broken. You know he's the same person here. Like, we have a book out right now called Heroes in Crisis And in the last issue that we saw we saw Batman kind of doing one of those confessionals in front of sanctuary and he's you know he doesn't very talk very much, but you could completely see how broken he really is. You know, at this point he's had a failed attempt at marriage and you can just tell that he is just a broken person. Now he's got a son who has amnesia because he got shot. You know there was an attempt on Alfred's life And then Batman goes and beats the heck out of Mr Freeze.
Speaker 1:He kind of, throughout that book there he kind of, you know, contemplates on whether he took it too far and did Mr Freeze actually kill these women? come to come to find out. You know Mr Freeze was actually framed, i think, by the penguin And so he was completely wrong for beating Mr Freeze up. So him trying to change that and inserting himself into the jury and changing everybody's mind by manipulating them a little bit so that he can free Mr Freeze because he was trying to right his wrong. And then he goes and beats up Bane, because he finally finds out Bane is behind all of this. He beats up KGBeast, leaves KGBeast almost for dead And we still don't know if KGBeast is laying in that snow dead. And you said something earlier today, that that you touched on something, perfect, right. You said that Bruce Wayne needs the help, not Batman, right?
Speaker 6:Well so, and listening to you talk just now, that that was the thought that kind of came across to me is that you kept saying he, he, he, and my mind goes to well, which he? because they're one in the same. Yes, they're the same body, but they are two different entities.
Speaker 1:Because Batman has to be separate from Bruce Wayne.
Speaker 6:Exactly. It's Batman that's attacking all these people. This isn't Bruce Wayne that's attacking them. So it makes you wonder where exactly is the trauma laying. Is it that moment where you see these split personalities or what have you and something happened to somebody that was horrible and traumatic and has just really affected them, and then a separate personality comes out to protect that child that was hurt? So is Batman actually just a separate personality of protection?
Speaker 1:I don't know about that, but I get where you're coming from, i get what your, what your thought process is.
Speaker 6:Right, And when we had talked about it we had kind of really talked about the heroes. What was that book called?
Speaker 1:Heroes in.
Speaker 6:Crisis, heroes in Crisis And you had kind of shared with me that that that's already kind of being focused on that. About PTSD and the heroes That these superheroes, that they recognize that they do need to kind of deal with some of these issues that they have. We had talked about how Batman and Bruce Wayne are separate, that Clark Kent and Superman are separate. They're one in the same but separate.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's one thing that Clark says in Heroes in Crisis and I love what he said and I always have to kind of think back to it. He says is Clark Superman trying to be flawed Or is Superman Clark trying to be better? That just, i think that sums it up for and you can insert any heroes name there, right? And if we're specifically talking about Batman and the psychosis of Batman here, is Bruce Batman trying to be flawed Or is Batman Bruce trying to be better? And I think that's perfect, right, because that kind of sums it up a little bit here for him to go from this hurt child to wanting vengeance on the person who killed his parents and then becoming Batman because he needs to seek vengeance for the little person, right, Right?
Speaker 1:And then, going flying off the handle once he becomes broken. And we found out that Bane is behind all of this. Bane wants him completely broken mentally, physically and emotionally, And that's exactly what Bane is getting here. Bane is getting a completely broken Batman.
Speaker 6:So, but then again there's the question is it Bruce Wayne that needs therapy, or is it Batman that needs therapy? Because, again.
Speaker 6:I know that we've made the joke, or I made the joke earlier about sanctuary. That's a whole different story there. But obviously they're going to attempt to try to get a little bit of help. I get that, but then they're erasing it. So they're not getting any feedback, they're not getting any tools. But this was a thought that came to mind. Anyone that's done any type of therapy family therapy, relationship therapy, therapy and you are trying to set boundaries And we always joke about this that you have the I feel statement. So you get an argument with someone and you say, babe, i feel like you are saying that to hurt my feelings. And you would say in response I don't know.
Speaker 6:And that's why we need therapy. You would say in response to me babe, i feel that I am hurting your feelings by what I'm saying, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You say these, i feel statements. You acknowledge the other person's feelings. Now could you imagine if Batman was in the middle of an ordeal, a situation, a beginning of a physical altercation with any one of these enemies, and he were to be like Penguin? I feel? like you're disrespecting me in this moment.
Speaker 1:So I don't know. Yeah, yeah, i get what you're saying. You know, batman can't stop and say you know? and be like Hey, hold on guys, we have to have some kind of resolution here. Let's have a let's have listen, let's not have a conflict resolution.
Speaker 6:There we go.
Speaker 1:Let's, let's do this.
Speaker 6:Violence isn't the answer. Violence is not the answer.
Speaker 1:We have to step back and let's talk it out.
Speaker 6:Let's let's discuss and acknowledge our feelings in this moment. However, I do feel like Bruce Wayne does need to come to terms with his feelings.
Speaker 1:Bruce Wayne Correct Not Batman, not Batman.
Speaker 6:Because I think that a lot of what's going on is is that there is this underlining the same way that Clark was saying am I Superman being perfect or am I Clark trying to be all that jazz? the confusing conundrum of that statement. I feel like there's a part of Bruce that is just decided to step out of who he is and hide in this persona that is Batman. All of his anger can be geared towards somebody, something. when he is Batman, all of it can be addressed while he's dressed up in the bat suit.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 6:But none of it is real. It's. it's all just a cover up because eventually that suit has to come off and he is back to being broken. He can't deal with the broken engagement. He hasn't come to terms with the death of his parents. He is struggling as an adoptive father. He feels guilt towards all of these things that have happened in his life that he has a portion of control over, because we all have a portion of control in our destiny, but he's not fully in control of another's actions.
Speaker 1:I think you kind of touched on something that was perfect there because of all the stuff that was kind of happening to him, to Bruce Wayne, the wedding was not Batman. And. Catwoman. It was Selena Kyle and Bruce Wayne falling in love. They just happened to be Batman and Catwoman.
Speaker 6:Right.
Speaker 1:And in the book you know, i know that that they kind of had to say Batman and Catwoman were getting married because Selena Kyle was running from the law. So it couldn't be Bruce Wayne and Selena Kyle getting married. So that's number one there. that probably hurt you know the relationship a little bit because they knew somewhere deep down inside that they couldn't come right out and be married in public Right. So again, now they have to live a different life. Now let's say that Batman and Catwoman actually got married in the daylight, when Bruce Wayne is out being the Playboy millionaire and Selena Kyle is at home with her thousands of cats. Can they? can they actually go out into the world as a married couple?
Speaker 6:Obviously not If she's on the run and he's he's not he, he he is.
Speaker 1:You know, he's this person who is respected, who doesn't break the law, and all this good stuff, right? So that can't happen already. That relationship is fractured, right.
Speaker 6:Now, how interesting is that, though? that he would get into a relationship that would be fractured? It's that setting up for failure aspect that most individuals do when they are damaged. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:Exactly So. this is actually a great conversation because Batman is so much more complex than just a guy who goes up and beats up criminals. He is this complex person who is damaged, who is broken, and all he's known is damaged and broken things. You know, he had.
Speaker 1:You know, obviously he adopts a child who is just like him, who is going to be growing up in a fractured world, because his world is now fractured because his parents are dead, right, right. And then he grows up and he kind of, you know, rebels against Batman a little bit and goes off and does this thing and he leaves that, leaves the Robin persona, and then Batman has to fill that void by finding a new Robin. And then that Robin gets killed and then finds another Robin, and then, you know, and then he goes through all these many different Robins. He's broken, but he is always trying to reach out for something that is not broken and then you can't ever grasp onto it, at least in my perspective.
Speaker 6:So do you think that this is something that people think about when they're drawn to these different superheroes? Is the tortured side of them?
Speaker 1:No, no, not at all, because obviously I don't. That's not what I'm drawn to. I actually had to when I thought about this conversation. I actually had to think about Batman in a complete different way than I actually really do, because when I read a Batman comic book, i don't think about this stuff. I think Batman has, you know, just oh, he's Batman, and I think that's why a lot of people know, or, like you know, tom King is writing Batman as more human than ever, and it's because now he's making you think a little bit differently about Batman, and I think that's the aspect that everybody's kind of talking about there.
Speaker 6:So I guess I'm going to make a statement that probably could be misconstrued as being sexist, because I think that a lot of females have this tendency to be drawn to characters because they either see themselves in it or they can relate to it. So it's interesting to hear your point of view and for you to be so adamant about no, that I don't see any of that, whereas a female would say well, the reason that I like Wonder Woman is because she came from a single mom home and she was, you know, taught to be strong from a young age. She didn't know her. She may have known her royal lineage, but she didn't know who she was until she needed to, and then she was able to step up and be this Betty, bad, you know what, and make things happen.
Speaker 6:With that said, that's why I relate to her, because, you know, i was a single mom. So there's this part of me that wants to make my daughter strong, that wants to make her proud of who she is. You know what I mean. So it's interesting that you as a person says no, that's not how I see it, but I'm curious to know if other men look at these characters and go, you know, like with Superman, how it was saying I'm clumsy, i'm this, i'm that, i'm the other, but when I'm Superman, i am this strong and brave and whatever, whatever. If they relate themselves to that aspect, or the Hulk, i'm this, you know, nerdy scientist, whatever, whatever. But when you take me off, i'm about to rip my clothes off and smash some stuff, you know.
Speaker 1:I sounds a whole lot like our eight year old.
Speaker 6:It does, but I wonder if people have this tie to these characters because they see themselves in it.
Speaker 1:I personally, i don't. I don't see it as that, and when I read these books, i read it just for the fun of it, i read it for the stories, and then I don't. I don't, i'm not one of those people who, like kind of I, have to tear and rip these things apart and read between the lines and see, oh, this is what, how these people tick, and this is how Batman ticks, this is how they all tick.
Speaker 6:I don't think. I don't mean that. By by no means do I think anyone sitting at home with a comic book and going, oh, what can I find the meaning of life in this? I don't, by no means.
Speaker 1:I think that I find the meaning life Well. just saying then you just proved my point exactly right there.
Speaker 6:However, i do wonder how many people sit at home and and go huh, that's me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's me.
Speaker 6:You know, maybe there's some kind of a broken childhood and I've come through it And now I'm a vigilante for those that have broken lives or or whatever. You're laughing, But I'll bet you there's someone sitting out here in bat pod land going. She got my car just now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, i appreciate your comments and and your input into this. I think we could probably, you know, rip this conversation apart and jump into it a little bit more, but I didn't want to, you know, dive too deep into this. But I do appreciate you coming on and talking to me about this. This is some good stuff here. If there's anybody out there that wants to jump in on this conversation, go right ahead and you can email us at bat pod podcast at gmailcom. You can find me at Joey Galvez 84. If you want to tweet my wife and you didn't like anything she said, you can tweet her at.
Speaker 6:Mrs Galvez 82.
Speaker 1:And if you hated anything I said, please tweet me and give me some hate mail, whatever, and you can always check us out at at pod bat on Twitter And this is going to be our topic of the week. I appreciate you coming on, wife. Thanks, we'll see you guys next time.
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Speaker 1:We're going to be talking about Nightwing number 52. In this issue we have Scott Lobdow on the plot, fabian Niesieza on the script, chris Mooneyham as the artist, nick Filardi on the colors. D Ron Bennett, letterer. Chris Mooneyham and Nick Filardi have a cover. Kamami Shirahama has a variant cover, dave Wiggles is the assistant editor, katie Kubert editor, jms Rich, group editor. And Nightwing was created by Marv Wolfman and George Perez.
Speaker 1:In this issue we see the detective who stole the suits from last issue offer the suits to three other individuals. They don't don the suits in this issue but from what we see on the cover, they just might. We do see Rick Grayson here kind of figuring out his instincts and how he can be so brutal. On a whim We see a little bit of a gas that reanimates people into some kind of raging zombie. We also see Rick Grayson here waking up with tons and tons of cats as he squats in a cat ladies house. And we leave off in this issue with Rick Grayson's buddy's cab empty at an abandoned warehouse. And just as Rick Grayson was about to be going into action, running into this warehouse, the new Nightwing tells him to back off. What did you think about this issue, bill?
Speaker 3:So the one thing that I've learned is you know, rick Grayson Doesn't doesn't like to sleep with cats, and I don't think I would either. What I'm saying? could you sleep with that many cats around you?
Speaker 1:Oh man, this. He says this cat lady is gone because he drove her to I'm sure she kind of checked into a hospital somewhere, but he drove her over there and he goes and stays in her place because he you know that's what he does. He's a vagrant now and you know he's he squats in people's houses. But man that ladies got so many cats, yep, i, i almost thought I was like who's this lady Is he talking about? like, is he talking about Selena Kyle?
Speaker 3:Yeah, i thought so at first and it's like there must be cat hair everywhere. But all joking aside, i really enjoyed this issue. You have a mystery, you know, with you know, dead body coming back to life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, cuz the. I mean I took that as fear toxin. It wasn't really as a parent in this issue. They didn't really kind of straight out tell you, but the way that people were acting in there They really felt like it was kind of fear toxin.
Speaker 3:Yeah, i didn't. I didn't get that from that, but it's possible, you know, cuz the scare crow had showed up previously.
Speaker 3:Right and I thought this was kind of cool here in the beginning, where we see him, you know, fall for that off the top of that building and his instincts kind of kick in and he flips around and yeah, and the way that was drawn there, you know, at first, when he's fallen off that building, he thinks he's going to die, you know, has his eyes really wide open and then, as I said, his instincts kicked in and he's he starts smiling.
Speaker 1:And then gets a little overconfident and he like, undershoots this area and he falls and slams right into his cab.
Speaker 3:Now, if I have to say one thing that was a little off-putting to me, uh-huh, it was the art. Okay, the art to me didn't appear Strong. I mean, there were some places that are really enjoyed it, but then There were other places where it didn't seem as consistent, where you see the late, the lady cop in the corners lap her face.
Speaker 3:Yeah and yeah the look yeah, there was, just it wasn't a hundred percent consistent to me. Overall wouldn't say I hate it, but it just didn't feel. Now, if they stick with this artist, you know going forward, sometimes when they change these, especially these double-week shipping books, they change the artist after an arc or after a few issues. It's kind of it takes you an issue to adjust to it and that might be what this is.
Speaker 3:Okay nice to see. I know they change creative teams. You know, yeah, here recently with Scott Loobdale and you know it might grow on me a little bit And I personally don't have any experience with this artist, but there was a couple scenes that I found out of place. But you know the way that Nightwing is drawn there at the end and you know, you see that scene where you see the other Costumes for all of his other buddies to put on right seems kind of cool And I like how it's presented here.
Speaker 3:He says vigilantes operate without restrictions to get things done. We can't, i think dark times call for dark nights.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I did like that line right there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, i do like the art when he portrays the people being reanimated, kind of almost look like zombies or these mad frothing at the mouth type of you know Angry, crazy people coming at the detective there. Yeah. I thought that was pretty cool And then how you see them kind of going off in the background and she's there behind that glass And she's on the other side and she can't hear anything until there's gunshots. So I thought that was a really smart, smart page and panels there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, i enjoyed this, but the majority of the internet in Twitter, if you listen to everybody out there how they're destroying. Nightwing. Nightwing is the worst book ever. Well, I'll tell you what oh man. Here's the bad pod. I think we're enjoying this book.
Speaker 1:Yeah, i'm joined, i'm. This is probably one of my favorite ones here and I think I talk a whole lot about Nightwing and Red Hood a lot because those two books are to me, are Exciting me a whole lot right now.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, definitely All right. I'm enjoying this, and you know what I'm? I'm enjoying the rod, i don't. You know he's going to be Nightwing again. Everybody's freaking out. Yeah just relax. He's gonna be Nightwing again. They're just telling a story.
Speaker 1:You know This isn't going to change his character forever right, one of the last panels there you see Nightwing runoff Because he hears his buddy that that you know kind of warned him about being a cabbie in the first places is Inderis. So he goes and looks for him and and the detective, the lead detective here that takes on the first The, the present Nightwing suit, he kind of stops them and says, hey, you know, kid, we got this.
Speaker 3:Yeah, although I think I would have picked the disco suit, you know.
Speaker 1:Hey, from the looks of it on the on the cover, that looks like the woman from what is it? precinct 13? I think she was like that.
Speaker 3:You know she took that one on, you know I that I was thinking that maybe she would take that one, you know, that's kind of.
Speaker 1:I think I try to rock, that disco collar.
Speaker 1:Yeah, her name is Colleen Edwards, so she's the one that took that the disco one, the one with the the lovy neck and the pop collar, deputy chief in the fire department, malcolm Hutch, and it looks like he's gonna be taking the red one, zack Edwards, vice tenth precinct, and he's taken the other one, without the pop collar but very similar to that one, and Then Colleen Edwards is gonna be taking the pop collar. This is kind of cool that we see this. I'm excited. This cover got me excited to see this. I wanted to see this in action in this book but obviously they kind of just teased us with that one. But I hope that we get to see them in action a little bit in the next issue.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it would be interesting to see.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all in all it was. It was pretty good, you know, besides the some of those, those panels, where you know I did see that the proportions were off a little bit in some of the areas. But all in all, this this, this issue, was really good. I enjoyed it quite a bit.
Speaker 3:Yep, i agree It was pretty good. Okay, so we're going to head to stump the co-host.
Speaker 4:Welcome to the bat-pond stump your co-host segment. Listen while bill tries to stump his co-host. Can he do it? let's wait and find out.
Speaker 3:Welcome to stump the co-host. I'm here with My co-host that I'm gonna stunt Joey Galvez, and are you ready to be stumped this episode?
Speaker 1:I am ready.
Speaker 3:Are you ready? We got a theme this week. This week her theme has changed a little. We still have a little Batman in there, but her theme is going to be Stanley, just cuz he passed away this week and he meant so much to so many people in a Marvel comics that we thought we'd make The theme Stanley. So are you ready for your first question? I'm ready.
Speaker 3:Okay, i got a Marvel question and then I have a Batman related question. So the Marvel question is which character that I'm gonna list out did Stanley not create? So which character did he not create of this list a, a of fantastic for B, iron man, see the Punisher D, dr Strange. So which one of those did he not create? And you're a big he created and you're a big Stan Lee guy, so you should know this.
Speaker 1:I Know he created fantastic fourth, for that one that was automatically out. I Can't remember if he did the either of the last three. I'm gonna say he did iron man, so that one's out to now. Punisher and Dr Strange. I'm gonna say he did Create Dr Strange, so I think I'm gonna go with C, which is Punisher. Punisher, are you sure about that? I'm, i'm gonna be, i'm gonna be guessing on this one, but I'm, i am, i'm gonna go with Punisher.
Speaker 3:So if you said Punisher C, you were correct. Stanley did create the fantastic for Iron Man and Dr Strange. The Punisher was actually created by Jerry Conway, john Ramita senior and Ross Andrew, awesome. So question number two so in 2001, dc had Stan Lee write a mini series called just imagine and he reimagined DC characters, and one of the DC characters he read imagine was Batman, of course. So Okay, he actually changed Batman's secret identity for this just imagine book. So what was Bruce Wayne's name in this book? was it a Bruce Adams, b Wayne Williams, c Lee Williams or D Wayne Everett?
Speaker 1:So this one is going to be a complete guess. On this one, i Think I'm gonna cross out C and I might go with I The Bruce Adams or Wayne Everett. Let's go with you know I'm gonna go with the last one, d, that's probably wrong.
Speaker 3:D Wayne Everett. If you said Wayne Everett, you were Incorrect, you're a loser. Are you feeling sorry for yourself? Well, you should be baby. One of my Who's actually Wayne Williams, and he was an African-American and instead of his parents getting Killed, his father, who was a policeman, was shot. Kind of interesting, he didn't, he did a bunch that isn't, yeah, he did a lot of the different characters.
Speaker 3:So that was I wanted to try. We wanted to try to do something. Stanley I I thought I remembered him doing some books with DC characters, so I kind of wanted to put that in there. So that's pretty cool. That is really cool. And the cash and prizes you didn't win this time, but would you like to know what you would have won?
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 3:Okay, i will. And and celebration of Stan Lee and his life. This prize, of course, is the Marvel no prize, and tell me, you know what that is.
Speaker 1:No, oh my gosh.
Speaker 3:Okay, for everybody that doesn't know what a no prize is, it was in the letters page for Marvel for years That they would ask this question and and they were hand out a no prize, so it basically would be a prize that isn't a prize and they call it the no prize. Okay, so I know that's a little corny this episode, but I wanted to throw that out there because we were talking about Stanley and just just a little tribute to him and that.
Speaker 3:That's pretty cool. I read and enjoy a lot of his works, and I know you do too.
Speaker 1:So Yeah, yeah he was. He did a whole lot for the comic book world. I mean, there was a lot of controversy in his life, but you know what. You want to steer clear of all that controversy and just look at all the positivity that was in his life. He did do a whole lot for, you know, marvel. He created a whole ton of characters over there that are still relevant today. So that was that was a pretty cool thing and I and I enjoy that and I'm glad that we were able to Tribute him in this manner.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, absolutely So. Yeah, that was our. That was their stump the co-hosts Yeah, i couldn't take your Batman card away this week, so So we'll go back to the next episode. We'll hit back some Batman. I'm sure you will be get those wrong, so.
Speaker 1:Hey, I got them right last episode.
Speaker 3:So we'll see, we'll see. I'm gonna go a little bit harder, i think and you know.
Speaker 1:Let me tell you I did. I did have a whole lot of fun on that, right along with with Jim Gordon. It was pretty cool. I did try to sneak a peek when he went up to the roof there and I could have swore.
Speaker 3:You were told not to do that. You realize that.
Speaker 1:I heard more than one voice up there, though, but so I had to.
Speaker 3:I just had to maybe he likes talking to himself. You never know.
Speaker 1:I don't know. One was very distinct, it was it was more like this That's terrible.
Speaker 3:That's really bad, yeah, really bad. So we will head back to the books. The Bat pod is a proud member of the nerdy legion podcast network. We can be found on nerdy legion comm along with some other great Podcasts. Go check them out on nerdy legion comm.
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Speaker 3:Okay, her next book is detective comics 992. Your writers James Robinson, your artist is Carmen D G and DeMonaco colors, ivan Placencia. Letters Rob light. Your variant covered Dave Waco's. Your Assistant editor, chris Conroy. Your editor, jamie S Rich. And, as always, batman is created by Bill Finger with Bob Kane, and in this issue we have a team up with two-faced and Batman and they finally confront the enemy, cobra. We finally get to see Cobra and you get a back history of Cobra which is sort of interesting, kind of confusing. Yeah, we find out that Bruce has sent some of his other partners in the bat family to take out other pieces of Cobra, as This is all just a distraction from what the real terrorist attack is in the sewers, and they're going to send, i guess, a gas Mind-controlling agent. So everybody in Gotham City will become a part of Cobra. So what did you think of this issue?
Speaker 1:I thought this was a really good one. I liked it a whole lot. You get a little bit of answers here. You see the handful of the bat family, you know. You see some great artwork. I mean a whole lot of cool stuff here.
Speaker 3:I I'd enjoy the artwork. The one thing I enjoyed seeing and there's a thing I didn't really like and kind of confused me, Which I enjoyed seeing. You know some other members, the bat family like helping out. Yeah like Katana, black lightning from the, the new outsiders. That's kind of cool. You see, orphan and bat girl and then this, the fireflies. Even you know to face got the fireflies. That was kind of cool. The one thing that didn't make sense to me. Okay, we have the signal, and who is the signal with bat?
Speaker 1:woman talking about bat woman.
Speaker 3:She, she got kicked out of the city. Yeah, that was a little weird to me too, that that didn't make any sense to me at all of her being there, that was weird. Yeah, so that didn't make any sense, just based on what we read in the the Red Hood book. She shouldn't have showed up, but but it wasn't an okay issue. I mean, yeah, you see Batman and two-faced working together. You don't see that too often. That was kind of entertaining.
Speaker 1:They tear apart the natural history museum.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm sure so. Do you think Batman is going to take another, another T-Rex there and put it in his trophy?
Speaker 3:I doubt it. They destroyed it.
Speaker 1:You know Alfred's gonna have a rough time cleaning that one up.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, i don't know how much damage they created, but they're blowing things up and in a museum and everything else. Most that stuff is priceless. You know you can't replace and they basically destroyed that wing of the museum. You did have to stay on, harvey, you know you promised you weren't gonna kill. We don't kill. So, he had to keep reiterating that right, right.
Speaker 1:I did like that one part there where they were talking about you and he when he was trying to get a hold of Alfred. There He's like hey voice, are you there? He doesn't have a name for him, oh.
Speaker 3:Yes, yes, yes, and so next time we'll come up with a name, a codename, you know yeah, that'd be cool.
Speaker 1:I really hope they come up with a really cool codename.
Speaker 3:But it was cool to see you know Bruce had researched Cobra and you get some back history of Cobra that you didn't know And kind of interesting, i mean he kind of talked about the ranks within Cobra and and how they kind of came to be and all This stuff, so what they're doing.
Speaker 1:Yeah he did say that they're kind of fractured a little bit.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, but they sort of people have left. So what better way to get people to join than to send a mind controlling Toxin in their water or whatever you know?
Speaker 1:right, Yeah, and I thought that was really smart to have, you know, Distract them on three fronts to make them seem as if you know which one is the real target. Batman had to get some information Out of one of their tech. You know they're. They're tech that he was trying to get all of their plans from. I really like that.
Speaker 3:I mean, some of their back history is kind of confusing of what clans they are and different things and different clans were Different kind of helmets and you know he recognized the one guy. He looks almost like Cobra commander or something. Yeah, now Giojo fans are gonna be like that's not Cobra commander. He doesn't know what he's talking about.
Speaker 1:Take it easy, take it easy. I think the way they were explaining I think he was just kind of explaining the ranks and you know the hierarchy and within Cobra. But you know they're teasing here. In the last page there They say is the next the death of Harvey Dent. So does that mean you know we're not gonna see Harvey Dent anymore and we're just gonna see Too Face.
Speaker 3:I don't know, but that's who we usually see Too Face.
Speaker 1:Yeah right.
Speaker 3:Actually I want to see Too Face where Too Face comes back, where he actually flips the coin, because this whole yeah what we're on like Five issues. Is this the fifth one? Uh-huh.
Speaker 1:We haven't seen him flip the coin once which doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, i mean, that's that's two-faced, that's that's his character, Yeah as I said, my biggest problem with this whole thing is it's a drawn out to a six issue Ark and it's probably meant for like a three or four, and you know They had to fill some things in here and it's not the worst arc in the world But some places it is a little slow there. There are some things this whole arc that I really enjoyed and some things was like, okay, not a lot happened.
Speaker 1:But yeah, they did take a little while for you to get get you know to the point that yeah it was too face.
Speaker 3:Right that it was too faced, and then it took a while for them to confront Cobra. Yeah and it wasn't like there was a bunch of clues that it was. Cobra was just too face, was hiding the clues.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it took Cobra quite some time to actually do anything. They weren't doing anything for a while. You just kind of see No no, you know the attack.
Speaker 3:The only thing they really did before this issues the attack Gotham City PD. And you know they're so unorganized They don't know how to plan a terrorist attack So they hire somebody to plan it for them. Yeah, that's pretty bad.
Speaker 1:Right, and that's why I say you know they're fractured there, They're desperate. That's why they went and sought out that guy. You know it was a little slow in some areas and I did wish that we had a little bit more. But you know, all around it was it was pretty good. I do want to see what's gonna happen Now. This is gonna play out.
Speaker 3:Well, i do have to say, if you're a Writer and you get hired to do one arc between, you know major runs, but they have you to do one arc and you have six issues to tell story and so many pages And so many, it might not be as easy as one would think right if you'd say okay, Yeah let's just tell your story and how many issues it takes it takes.
Speaker 3:It takes more issues, take more issues. But they don't have that here because Peter Tomasi is coming on a certain particular issue, so he has six issues. So that might be more difficult than you would think.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then they got a deadline on top of it.
Speaker 3:Yeah and you know what I find interesting? I and this is going back to Stanley that the what they call is the Marvel method, because he had so many books to write way back when that he would just give the artist the story. Hey, this is what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, quick out, yeah quick outline.
Speaker 3:You just draw it and then I'll come back and do the word balloons. That's so amazing that those those early Issues turned in such of these major characters like that, and that's how they wrote it, it's so different, it's so done differently today, you know, with these, yeah, back then they were pumping out issue after issue, these full scripts.
Speaker 3:I mean basically and I don't know this for sure over there Marvel, but you know Scott Snyder likes to write, you know a full script and who's to say what was done here. But it's kind of interesting how that stuff done. The inner workings of that sort of thing is always Interesting to me right, right.
Speaker 1:And then you know I mean you. You've got naysayers out there who say comic books are Dumbing down America or whatever, but you know, a lot goes into these things.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Whole lot. You know you have so many different work, working and moving parts. You got people who are, who are working with their blood and tears on the page And you know, just for somebody who to come out because they have a medium and say I haven't read comic books since I was a kid, but you know it's horrible, you shouldn't be reading it anyway.
Speaker 3:I think they're just as important as novels and that sort of thing. I don't think there's anything, because there's. We're not just talking about superheroes here. Yes, superheroes has their corner, but there's so much is written. You can write about anything horror, comedy, anything and it takes a great deal. Yeah, Yeah, so yeah.
Speaker 1:I definitely, i definitely admire what it takes to To put into just one issue of a comic book and I think you know these creators. They definitely have, they have to have there. You know we have to give them their due diligence. They do a great job, whether or not we feel that the that some of these issues are a little bit slower than others. But you know what they they do they do a whole great deal and they do a great job.
Speaker 3:Yeah, i know they're. They're trying to entertain, so everything isn't gonna entertain everybody and we're in this right view culture right now, where everything is terrible, you know. It's either one one end or the other, ever it's, it's great, the greatest thing you ever read or the worst thing you ever read. It doesn't have to be either. It can be okay. That wasn't the best thing ever read, but I enjoyed it. Right, i had fun reading it. So we'll get off this tangent So.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's get off our soapbox.
Speaker 3:That was detective comics some. I'm looking forward to see that this is Wrapping up. I think next issue might be the last issue. I'm not a hundred percent sure. But I think it is. And then Peter Tomasi comes on, then that should be interesting. So we will head to what normally would be our character spotlight, but we're gonna do a Thanksgiving theme book. Oh, oh, oh, oh, we are gonna have a good time.
Speaker 1:All right, this week we're not gonna be talking about a character spotlight, but we're gonna be talking about a special book. And You know it is Thanksgiving time and we're gonna be talking about a Thanksgiving book. And hey, bill, i heard that Thanksgiving was one of your favorite holidays.
Speaker 3:I can't say it's my favorite holiday.
Speaker 1:What is your favorite holiday?
Speaker 3:favorite holiday, labor Day.
Speaker 1:Is it because you don't have to go to work?
Speaker 3:no, because it's almost football season.
Speaker 1:Oh, so right. So your big football guy. So you're not gonna, you don't? you don't like the the Macy's Day parade and you watch football on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, all right. Yeah, that part I like pray to watch when I was younger, you know you always watch the parade.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's, that's a big tradition And this, this book, we kind of have a little bit of that and then you get around the table here And you have your favorite Thanksgiving dinner. So this book, what we're that we're gonna be talking about is Batman, little Gotham, and we're gonna be talking about chapter 2. Here It's, and this one has probably just like you know, it's kind of like a kiddie book, but you know what it was. It's a fun read. It was really cool. I had to pull it out because it was in my son's collection there and I had to pull it out for us because it was kind of cool. It's written by David Guyan and Derek Fridolfs, art by David Guyan or letters by Sada Tim of Fonte, variant cover by Chris Burnham, colors by Nathan Fairbrain, edited by Sarah Gados and Obviously, batman was created by Bob Kane with Bill Finger, and this issue we're talking about Thanksgiving and we kind of open up here our favorite bird brain.
Speaker 1:Penguin is kind of wanting to get in the mix of Thanksgiving a little bit. It's turkey day and he has kind of a bird fixations. He wants to stop everyone from eating turkey. He feels a little bit of a camaraderie with the turkeys and he kind of jumps in the middle of the their Thanksgiving Day parade. Batman and Robin kind of jump in and save the day a little bit. You get a little bit of trumpeting from Damien here And then you kind of end this book a little bit with everybody sitting around the table and having their Thanksgiving Day dinner. What did you feel about this book?
Speaker 3:I thought it was entertaining for what it was. There there were several scenes that I thought very enjoyable. This is definitely not a serious book at all, but Look when we first see the Batman balloon, yeah, and Damien has a lollipop and he's like saying ha, fat and pathetic, you wasted your money buying that. And then he sees the Robin balloon and he's like why is my head so fat and my body so small? totally unrealistic, it's not even the right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's kind of funny. You, i love, i love this. And then you know, you even got Batman's costume on there on the balloon. It's the blue and the gray, it's. It's kind of like a throwback. I like this issue. It was fun. I actually picked this one up this year for Batman day and they were giving it away. They have a Halloween issue in the beginning and then they have this Thanksgiving issue and I quite enjoyed it. I liked it a lot and you kind of see, at the end there a little bit, you got a whole bat family kind of hang around the table and we were talking about it a little bit. I see if we can name off everybody or sitting around that table, but we were kind of doing it. I don't. I don't think we've succeeded. Did you come up with anybody else?
Speaker 3:No, we got the four Robbins. You know, you got Batgirl Barbara Gordon. One of those has to be.
Speaker 1:Cassandra Kane. Yeah, there's a red-headed kid. That may or may not be. You said either Roy Harper or Harper, i don't know.
Speaker 3:Jason Todd, i think, is one of the dark haired. His original hair color was red, but I think that must be Roy Harper. But I don't know. Yeah, i don't know. It'd be interesting to know who.
Speaker 1:And then there's another girl that yeah, cuz it can't be Stephanie Brown, because she has like kind of lighter hair.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I'd be interesting to talk to to find out who these Unless one of those dark haired ladies is Bruce's You know date or something, who somebody he's dating there.
Speaker 3:But yeah, they do mention miss Gordon. Yeah, alfred, yeah they do. Gordon And they mentioned her a couple times, and Damien is in the green because she says oh, damien and. Damien actually says why must Barry's be in sauce form?
Speaker 1:Yeah, this one's so funny, Penguin, he released all the turkeys there and he, you know, to do that, damien Wayne picked up a trumpet And he started playing some, some tunes there and started marching them down the street and Batman says you know, take them to the petting zoo around the corner. So it's just fun all the all around and I quite enjoyed it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and they actually feed penguin turkey after he tried to save the turkey.
Speaker 1:Yeah, at the end, when he's in there, is he an Arkham asylum? is that? yeah, that's gotta be, because there's all the Yeah. There's one of your favorite villains there, the ventriloquist scarface.
Speaker 3:In mrZ. Yeah you're him, aren't you?
Speaker 1:I'm not. Can you know? I don't know you is.
Speaker 3:I think he's just made up, just falls asleep a lot. That is, that's a superpower. That's kind of funny.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he, you know peng was there locked up with all his penguins, but this was was. This was just a fun little little issue there. But I did think that the that the Halloween issue was a way more funnier than than this Thanksgiving issue And I enjoyed that one a whole lot more too. But I like the artwork, did you? how did you like the artwork? It was kind of like watercolors type of I think it fit, i don't know if it fit a regular issue, but you know it's, it's maybe not.
Speaker 1:I've said this many times I'm a sappy guy, i am a holiday guy and it doesn't necessarily mean because of you know all the presence and buying anything and All the black Friday cells. It's just getting around the table with friends and family, putting aside your differences and just being completely thankful. All your blessings. You can count your blessings around that time and that's.
Speaker 3:I love the hall, you must have a different family than mine.
Speaker 1:You know what I? I have a family who is quite like everyone else's. There is Infighting in feuds, but you know what? I am always the kind of person that tries at least I mean, you got to try to look at things from a you know.
Speaker 3:You know why I don't really like some of the holidays is we have to go to like three places on that particular day. So you're barely anywhere from more than like an hour. And then you're often running.
Speaker 1:It used to be with me when I was a kid. We had, we had, we did the same thing. We had to go from, we had to eat at our place, and then we went to my grandmother's and then we went to My mother's cousin's place in the next couple towns over and it was. It was one of those things where you're like You're running, running, running. You don't really enjoy time. But now, as I'm older, i've got my own kids. I'm just like you know, i'm just gonna stay in one place. You know, hang out at my place if I can't make it. Someone else you know what? I'm sorry. We got Skype now We can Skype call people. So other than that, i mean, it's a whole lot of fun, you know. You know, you know what. You know what's coming up next, bill, you know I'm gonna ask you what you're thankful for this year.
Speaker 3:I'm thankful that we did. on the Thanksgiving episode We did a Batman book.
Speaker 1:Is it this one? This is your Batman book.
Speaker 3:I guess this is the Thanksgiving book, isn't it? Yeah?
Speaker 1:and that's all you're thankful for.
Speaker 3:No, i'm thankful for this Podcast and all our listeners out there. That's what I'm thankful for, right? Yeah, joey made me say something, so I'm trying to get you out.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to pull it out of you, i'm trying to. It's like pulling teeth here with you. Man, i am definitely thankful for my friends and my family Thankful for this podcast. There was no Batman, we wouldn't have this podcast. So you know, i'm thankful for the creators who created all these different things that we talk about every week on this show. I'm having a whole lot of fun doing this. I appreciate it. Appreciate you, bill, thank you.
Speaker 3:No problem.
Speaker 1:That's enough for the sappy stuff.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 1:Sappy stuff out of the way.
Speaker 3:So let's go ahead and close up here. Got the Joey sappiness out of the way. Maybe your title can be the sappy Joey Thanksgiving special. Pretty good one right there. There you go. So yeah, if you'd like to be part of the show? We are on Twitter at pod back at Gotham night 13 and I am at Joey Galvez 84.
Speaker 3:We are on Facebook. We do have an email. If you'd like to send us an email, we will take you know. A regular email or audio clip We'll put it right on the show or email is bat pod podcast at gmailcom.
Speaker 1:Just no sappy stuff.
Speaker 3:There you go. There he goes again. Got a random in next time. We are on iTunes. If you'd like to send us an iTunes review, we'd really appreciate it. We Don't have an iTunes review yet, so we're looking for a very first one. We're all so on Google Play and Stitcher, we wanted to mention again We are a part of the nerdy legion podcasting network. Go over to nerdy legion calm and check out all the great podcast over there. Anything else you want to mention?
Speaker 1:I always want to mention go check us out at the bat pod calm. There's some great stuff over there when I have time to post some stuff, because bill has been getting on me for that. But check us out over there, we'll have some good stuff coming up for you guys and anybody that wants to help out with the bat pod.
Speaker 3:Calm, feel free to send us an email. We're looking for reviewers, or you just want to help out in any way, we will accept anybody. Until next time, same bat time, same bat channel. We will see you later. Oh, oh Oh.