Chianti Recap, Trail House Project + Golden Ticket Shakeups (Singletrack News)

In this week’s edition of Singletrack News, we break down a massive weekend of racing across Chianti by UTMB, Chuckanut 50K, and Big Alta, highlighted by Golden Tickets awarded at Chianti and a highly anticipated showdown between Courtney Dauwalter and Rachel Entrekin. We discuss the winners, key performances, roll-down implications, and what it all means for the rapidly taking shape Western States field, along with early-season signals from some of the sport’s top contenders.

Elsewhere, we dig into one of the most interesting new concepts in the sport: the “Trail House”, a Boulder-based initiative aiming to create a pipeline for post-collegiate runners into professional trail running, with built-in support, structure, and storytelling.

We also cover:

•  Lotti Brinks accepting a Western States Golden Ticket via roll-down from CCC 
•  François D’Haene’s 2026 schedule and his decision to center the season around an FKT attempt on the GR20
•  The “Hardcore Harry’s” challenge, a last-person-standing-style event that has athletes running 80+ km on consecutive days 
•  A grassroots “Community Traverse” stepping in to support runners after the Northern Traverse disruption 
•  A wild FKT story out of North Carolina involving a broken wrist and a finish anyway 
•  Previewing the Arizona Monster 300 and what to expect from one of the most extreme races on the calendar 

And our content picks of the week, including a new long-distance route in the UK and a broader conversation around “right to roam” and trail access.

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SPEAKER_00 0:00

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SPEAKER_01 0:58

I'm doing well. I cannot believe we are nearing the end of March. This is wild. And we have had some insane racing this weekend. So excited to talk about it.

SPEAKER_00 1:08

Last week was the Ides of March. Does does this Monday have a designation too? I don't think it's St. Patrick's Day belated. St. Patrick's Day belated.

SPEAKER_01 1:16

Yes. St. Patrick's Day belated. Holy crap. I hope it cools down in the western part of the U.S. And that's yeah. Gosh, this is heck of a heat wave.

SPEAKER_00 1:30

First up here, uh a lot of racing. We get to talk about racing on this edition, and there was a lot of it this weekend. First up, uh the Chianti 120K by UTMB. Uh they they dished out golden tickets. We got to see Courtney versus Rachel a very anticipated but almost last-minute matchup. Uh the golden tickets, there was a little bit of a roll down here on the women's side, but uh Ingvild Kasperson and Lauren Pieritz on the women's side take the two tickets. Thomas Cardin and Vincent Bouillard on the men's side. So those four uh have punched their tickets, and we've got six left at Canyons next month. I mentioned that matchup, sort of a Cocodona preview between Courtney and Rachel. No live stream. There was supposed to be one at Tenerife the same weekend. Storms on Tenerife canceled that race. So we saw a lot of athletes, Andreas, Courtney pivot last second to Keanti, but you can't pivot a live stream. I I can only imagine. Your thoughts just in general on Chianti.

SPEAKER_01 2:31

I think it was really exciting to see that level of racing. One of the pieces that I think is just becoming more and more clear is that women are racing in packs and they it's a battle to the end. I think we used to see these big gaps in competition. There's just, I mean, there's just less women running in events still. I was looking at Diagonal Dufoe, and it's only like 20% women. It's it's quite small. But I think we're seeing the level of competition, the density of competition, like it is not just these big sweeps, it is racing. And that is so exciting. So I loved seeing that. I was up early for a run and was kind of like eating breakfast tracking, going, holy crap, what's gonna happen? So hats off to those ladies. They raced so hard. I think we saw Courtney's 238 marathon coming into play there, where she just put the gas pedal down and charged. So, and I just want to give a huge shout out to Lauren Pratz getting that golden ticket. She has worked so hard to get that. She's a phenomenal runner, great human. Had the chance to meet her at UTMB last year and really excited for Lauren that she is getting to take a stab at Western States.

SPEAKER_00 3:51

Yeah, you know, for me, one of the biggest takeaways is just how strong a selection of golden ticket winners that we got from this race. Uh hearing Courtney and Rachel talk first and secondhand about how much respect they have for Ingvilde as a competitor and just as a the raw talent that she has from a running standpoint makes me excited. Um, Lauren Pieritz is always inserting herself and doing great at the most competitive races on our scene. Great to see her back. And I love this roll down effect, you know, because it really uh, you know, if you're outside the top two, even outside the top three, four, five, sometimes six, seven, it can roll down as far as seventh of these super golden ticket races. Like you still have to be focused and in it. And uh that was her at Chianti. And then love that Vincent Bouillard gets another crack at Western last year. Just, you know, it seemed like from the gun it wasn't going to be his day, but obviously a world of talent. Uh, he's one of the very best in the sport when he's on past UTMB winner. And then our audience might not know a lot about uh Thomas Cardin, but also another mega, mega, mega talent in the sport. And I believe he should be considered to be a real threat at Western, like a podium contender, extremely strong. Okay. Chuck and F-50, more racing this weekend. Uh men's and women's winners, Will Murray on the men's side, Andrea Lee on the women's side. This was live streamed by Mountain Out Post. Um, I've actually got a few thoughts here. I was able to watch a lot of the stream and then get some some uh recap from Brett Hornick, who was one of the commentators. But uh your your thoughts here.

SPEAKER_01 5:25

Yeah, I was I did not watch the live stream. I've had a large volume of running, so was not able to tune in, but you're actually running.

SPEAKER_00 5:34

You're actually running.

SPEAKER_01 5:35

I'm actually running, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:36

Meanwhile, me over here.

SPEAKER_01 5:38

No, no, I did not run a 230 sling marathon a few weeks ago. Will Murray, holy mother. That was fast. I I mean a 330 something on that course. It is not flat. There is some climbing in there. Yeah, it looked like pretty good conditions. I know it can get really muddy and cold there. Everyone was saying that the rain let up a bit for that day. But gosh, that dude is. I am so excited to see him fly at Western States. I think he's just ready to go.

SPEAKER_00 6:12

He's the truth. You know, a couple things here. From what I could tell watching the stream, it didn't really appear like he was pushed total control from the start. Adam Sojolind challenged him a bit through 12 miles, but after that second aid station, you know, it looked like Will sort of regained the lead and that middle technical section never took it back. Um, if you were watching the stream, and this is for people that are listening, watching us right now, in that final 10K, he looked so fresh. It looked like he did a 25 mile warm-up. And then, as my buddy Brett was telling me, like a 10K tempo at the end. And it just looked to him like a good season opener tune-up. Um I think this his time, his finishing time, which I think was 334-ish, only three minutes uh under Chris Meyer's time last year in pretty heinous condition. So I think that really shows how impressive Chris was last year. Um Women's side, Andrea Lee. I didn't know a ton about her, but I guess the year Claire Gallagher won, uh Andrea was on the podium and she was only 10 minutes back on Claire, and she's she's largely a roadrunner and she throws in these 50Ks from time to time. And I find it fascinating that as a roadrunner, she handled this course the way she did. And actually, I mean, to beat Jade Bellsberg in a cour in a in that middle section, which is quite technical, um, impressive range. Um, last thing I'll say, I think from the live stream standpoint, it was cool. They brought in Adam Peterman, Adam Mary, Claire Gallagher, Matt Daniels, Jeff Browning. Like they all kind of came in from time to time, you know, relaying course experience, talking about the people that they were coaching out there on the day. It was just a fun, uh, fun content format.

SPEAKER_01 7:50

That's such a classic race. One day I want to get up there. It's uh it just looks like such a beautiful mix of really runnable and then some kind of that technical middle section. So exciting to see.

SPEAKER_00 8:04

Next up, uh Big Alta weekend was this weekend. I still have so much catch-up to do on the free trail recap pods, but uh in the 100k, which we can focus on here, men's side one, two, three, Kellen Bloomberg, Rob Mulkey, and Matt Zupon on the women's side, Robin Lesh, Anna Louden, Sylvie Abel. Alyssa, one of the things that stuck out to me, again, just like briefly clicking into a few of their recap videos on YouTube, super impressive to have these athletes in studio recapping their experiences and overlaying a lot of the footage that I believe their content team, Ryan Thrower, Tony with a Sony, et cetera, you know, uploading, you know, very shortly after the fact. Like that turnaround time, I was super impressed with. So I haven't had a chance to go in and and learn more about people like Kellen or or Sylvie Abel, but uh just hats off, I think, to um to that content innovation from their team.

SPEAKER_01 8:59

Yeah, I mean it's gosh, they give it such a big race feel. And it I think it's it's a classic. Like I think it's just gonna continuously draw more and more talent early season, as we said, would love to see it as a golden ticket race. But I will say Kellen on the men's side, he was the winner of the Kodiak 100K. He's actually a San Diego local. Uh see there's a whole group of guys who run splits on trails that I don't even can't even comprehend. He's a two, he's a sub-220 marathoner, so he's fast. And this is he's just kind of getting into trails and I think has a really bright future. Um yeah, there's a lot of excitement. I think just in the short amount of time he's been on the trails, I think he's got a lot. I know he's heading to CCC this year with that ticket from Kodiak, and I'm excited to see what he's gonna do.

SPEAKER_00 9:58

Additional golden ticket news here. Uh, for folks that aren't in the know, until May 1st, anything at these prior golden ticket races can change through sixth and or seventh place. And uh, we saw one of those things happen at CCC. The golden ticket rolled down from Sylvia Nordskar to Lottie Brinks, who took sixth at last year's CCC. She accepted it. Your initial thoughts here.

SPEAKER_01 10:24

Oh, I was super excited. I love Lottie. Have had the chance to chat with her a few times. She is just a force. And I know that she's had one crack, I believe, at Western States and was planning to go back for 27, but gets a chance this year. And I I would never bet against Lottie. Like my money's always on Lottie.

SPEAKER_00 10:48

You you talked earlier in our Chianti segment about this increasing trend of the the front of the women's race just being a lot more compact, very close. And I think back to this past year's CCC, which I believe was, I mean, I think it was one of the most exciting women's races on record in any event in our sports history. Uh, who was Anna Terasova, Sylvia Nordskar? I'm blanking on the third woman there. But um Lottie was in the in the mix all day, took sixth in one of the most competitive races on international soil. Um, she's no joke. I think uh she's an amazing addition to this Western field. And we were talking with her just in Instagram DMs when the news broke. She had been planning to go back to CCC specifically for this Western States golden ticket again. So she was going to go back into one of the deepest races in our sport to try to get a ticket. So going after it the hard way. I love that competitive fire.

SPEAKER_01 11:43

I believe it's Martina uh Milchik. Yes, thank you. Yes, okay, I apologize. She won, right?

SPEAKER_00 11:51

She won.

SPEAKER_01 11:52

Or it was a battle right to the last second, essentially, with Anna.

SPEAKER_00 11:56

So many lead changes in that last 10k. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:58

Yeah. Wild. That's so cool.

unknown 12:02

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 12:03

You put this one on my radar, the trailhouse. What's the trailhouse all about?

SPEAKER_01 12:08

Yes. So we uh were told uh in our hyperlight group chat, so the trailhouse is um basically uh a movement, again, as we were kind of wondering if Mikey was was I I do think people are starting to realize that the youth is the future. And so the trailhouse is a place for post-collegiate runners who are looking to get into professional trail running, are being supported in a house product, I think stipend, etc., uh, to pursue professional trail running. And so four athletes that we picked picked applications are due, I believe early April, and then they'll pick by mid-July. I can find that exactly. It is on Instagram as well, but it's backed by Hyperlight.

SPEAKER_00 13:00

Uh Win Republican Lever.

SPEAKER_01 13:04

Yes, and Lever. Yeah. So exciting movement to see that we're getting more support for younger athletes and building the pipeline out of collegiate running. So yeah, I think it'll be a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_00 13:18

And we're gonna get to watch all it'll be there, will be content around. Like do you know the regularity with which the content comes out for it?

SPEAKER_01 13:25

I don't, but I do know that they're really gonna focus on that. It almost seemed like the vibes a little bit I got is like the reality. They kind of said it's not reality TV, but also you get to watch people in real time pursuing professional running. I'm here for it. I love it. The real housewives of trail running, I've always wanted it.

SPEAKER_00 13:45

I'm gonna throw, I'm gonna put just, I'm gonna rattle off just some open questions. And if if you want to address any of them, great. But this is also just for the audience to think about too. How much content? How is this funded and what does success look like financially for the brands? How are athletes selected? What's the uh balance between talent and personality slash storytelling? Um and then how much of the storytelling, like you said just a moment ago, is organic versus produced? Like, are we getting into the reality zone here, or is it just like we're gonna put the cameras on and whatever we get is what we get?

SPEAKER_01 14:19

These are all great questions. I do not know the answers, but I'm excited to see.

SPEAKER_00 14:24

Next up, Francois Dane announces 2026 schedule. Francois announced his 2026 schedule, summarizing it as a quote, return to the sources. It's capstoned by an FKT attempt on the GR20, which is a 180 kilometer point-to-point footpath on the French island of Corsica, 20 years after he first hiked it, 10 years after setting an FKT there. I'll I'll tell you, Alyssa, the reason it was it stood out to me is, and maybe it's just where he's at in his career, but the fact that a professional athlete could center his uh year around an FKT as opposed to a major race. Your thoughts.

SPEAKER_01 15:03

You know, it's one of the things that I wonder if we are going to see uh it seems like he's not the first person to do it, I think. But he's very prominent. I mean, Killian in many ways did the same thing, the pro the summits of my life. And so I do think that part of the beautiful thing when you do reach a certain level as a professional athlete is racing is not as exciting. And so you can go and do an FKT and you've built enough behind you to support that. I think it's challenging, it's possible, it is more challenging to go kind of the opposite direction. We've seen athletes be successful in that way, but I do think that once someone has built the reputation, the support, etc., that they can have more of this focus on an FKT. I love seeing this. I mean, I think Tara Dower is an incredible example of she really does mix FKTs into her racing season. I mean, the girl race is hard, but she also always has kind of a big FKT challenge in there. And so I just love that both are existing in the space. I want to see it even more.

SPEAKER_00 16:22

Okay, this was uh this next one credit to our Instagram DMs. We've had some folks send us some amazing news bits. This is called the Hardcore Harry's Last Person Standing Challenge. Alyssa, this is crazy. Started on January 1st with a one kilometer run. Each subsequent day, you have to add a kilometer. And so this is day 82. There were, I think, a little over 300 starters, two people left, and yeah, they ran 82 kilometers today. The third person who was with them just pulled out the other day. So 82 days in, and on the 82nd day, they're running 82 kilometers. Tomorrow it's 83 kilometers. I have so many questions, but just what your thoughts.

SPEAKER_01 17:01

I mean, as someone who's done long back to back to back to back and onwards, uh, it's a different kind of mindset that you have to approach things. I love this. The crazy thing is, I think that when you initially consider it, you just go, oh, you know, like one time running 82 kilometers. Many of us have done that, but you ran 81 the day before in 80 the day. Like the calendar challenge, I know a lot of people have done that where you do one mile day one and then go up to um 31, depending on the month. And the crazy, yeah, the hard part is 28, 29, 30, 31, all back to back. That is a challenge. So this is fun. You send it to me on Instagram, and I uh was like, that is sounds like an Andy Glaze style last man standing, like they have in Coca-Dona.

SPEAKER_00 17:56

Yeah. You know, the only the only knock I have on it is when I start to think about the numbers, it it does seem like there's a natural ending point around uh whatever 100 miles is. I think that's like what 170 kilometers.

SPEAKER_01 18:10

You run out of daytime.

SPEAKER_00 18:11

You just run out of day, you run out of 20, you run out of 24 hours, you know, and then like you're bleeding into the next day. So I I'm kind of waiting for who's gonna break between 82 kilometers and like 160 call it.

SPEAKER_01 18:24

That's a good point. Yeah, at some point you're just multi-day stage racing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:32

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SPEAKER_01 19:43

So, in light of the changes that happened with the Northern Traverse, which was one of URA events uh races that is coming up very quickly. I believe it's next weekend. I saw something pop up on Instagram called the Community Traverse, which is uh basically the community supporting athletes to do this race on the original course. And so they are having um, I'm just looking up the updates, they're gonna offer two different groups to start. So a 6 a.m. and an 8 a.m., they're supplying trackers, a backdrop system, support points with provisions, and they have all of the checkpoints down. And so yeah, it's just so cool to see that the community stepped up and said, Hey, we want you to come here to have a great experience. We're gonna help support you. So if you are in that area and you can help out, if you can support in any way, this is just awesome. I love this. This is the spirit of trail running.

SPEAKER_00 20:53

Super cool. Okay. Love it. Yeah, and we'll, for those that are listening, watching, we'll link to all of these in the show notes, I promise. Next up, the crazy story. Uh, this was again sent to me a few weeks ago. I it sort of got lost in my DMs, but we have to talk about it. Ben, this guy, Ben Atkinson, sets a new FKT on the Art Loeb Trail over in the Southeast, North, North Carolina. Uh, a mark formerly held by David Hedges. Notably, Canyon Woodward was pacing him on the last section. This is where it gets crazy. He set the FKT by nine minutes, but with about two miles to go, he took a really bad fall, broke his wrist, broke his wrist, and still willed himself to the finish line. This is an inside joke. Greg Jennings'd his way to the finish line. If you know what I'm talking about, you'll be laughing. Like this guy, what a what a way to wrap it up. Amazing.

SPEAKER_01 21:45

I mean, adrenaline is a heck of a drug.

SPEAKER_00 21:50

I'm sure Canyon's got uh great stories from it. I mean, he must have seen the whole thing and could provide background on you know what the dialogue was like there. But uh That's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 22:01

I mean, I'm impressed.

SPEAKER_00 22:03

Yeah. Yeah, and now that I mean adrenaline must. It must just override no matter unless you've broken your leg and I mean you literally cannot get back up. You're finishing. So Yeah. We don't talk we don't talk about Ben. Yeah, we don't talk a lot about the the southeast on the pod. We need two more. And that that's a cool trail. And anyways, tip of the cap to Ben.

SPEAKER_01 22:24

I had not heard of it before.

SPEAKER_00 22:26

Yeah, it's cool. I'll you know, I'll and as we talk about um the Arizona Monster here, in just a second, I can I can bring up just some of the the background on it. But uh I think it's Pisca National Forest um over near the Appalachian Trail.

SPEAKER_01 22:42

Like Oh, cool.

SPEAKER_00 22:43

Really close to the Hellbender course, actually, I think. Okay. Hellbender 100 for for folks that are wondering. But yeah, like just south of Mount Piska, Asheville area. Uh beautiful, beautiful trails.

SPEAKER_01 22:56

I mean, everyone says Asheville is like the epicenter of outdoor sports for that area. It's just supposed to be incredible. And then they say, Don't tell anyone else.

SPEAKER_00 23:06

It's amazing. Yeah. I mean, her the Hurricane Helene, what, two years ago, did a number. But Jules and I were there like the May before that storm, and we were like, oh, we should move here. This is incredible. So neck next weekend's horizon, I've got the Arizona Monster 300. Uh a lot to say here. Just looking at the competitive fields, I didn't see a ton. Um, but of course, Mike McKnight is a very recognizable name. He sort of headlines the men's field, women's side, Meg McCarty. Um, Alyssa, your thoughts here, but also like have you run in that Tucson area, like Mount Lemon? Are you familiar at all with the course?

SPEAKER_01 23:43

I'm not. You know, that is one part. I have really only spent time in Arizona on the Kokodona course. Essentially, that's just been my experiences just hanging out at the Coke Dona course. So I really have not gone to the other side of Phoenix or seen that area. Would love to have heard it's absolutely beautiful. So I I oh man, it seems like it is going to be a scorcher out there, and it is so exposed, and there is not a lot of water. So I am hoping for a safe race and for everyone to be alright with what the conditions seem like they're gonna be. I believe Ashley Paulson is also on this, and I buy my money's on her to take the overall win. Overall. I think she can. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:37

Okay. Yeah, fresh off that hundred mile uh record. Yeah. So okay, yeah. I like I I like that pick. I like that pick.

SPEAKER_01 24:46

I mean, she's she's got the speed. I know that she was sick when she was going into Cocodona before, so I don't think that was a really great representation of what she's capable of in a multi-day, but I am just excited to see what she can do out there. And she's great in heat, so yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:03

I'll just say one more thing. You know, we've been focusing a ton recently on the on the UK scene. And as I've learned about that scene, a lot of their races use the national trails. And I think the Monster 300 uses quite a bit of the Arizona Trail, which I feel like is unique in the US because um, like we can't use the Appalachian Trail, for example. There are there are so many beautiful, like, national long trails that we just can't use, you know, for various reasons. And so interesting that like this is uh a North American race that gets to use like one of the the prominent long trails in our country.

SPEAKER_01 25:39

So I've always wondered if it was a little bit of a regional and also possibly the timing of when the trails were created, because I know there's a ton of restrictions on the Appalachian Trail, but with the AZT, with the PCT, there are a lot of races. I mean, I'm a stone store away from the PCT. There's a number of races that are that use the PCT. And so I just wonder if the West Coast has a different set of permitting, etc., than the East Coast. Might be something to look into at some point.

SPEAKER_00 26:12

That's something that I gotta look into as well. I should know. And yeah, like, I mean, of course the JFK 50 uses what? It's like a 10, 11, 12 mile section of the AT down there in Maryland. And I don't know if they're grandfathered in or if that's just I would guess so. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:26

That's my thought, is that they are an older race, and so they might have been grandfathered in. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:33

Let's close with content of the week. What's your favorite content of the week?

SPEAKER_01 26:37

Oh, okay. Well, this is more of a this is a gear thing because it's been so hot and it's a little bit of a shameless plug for the sponsor that I have on. But they just came out, and I have to check if it's available for everyone. I think it is. Don't think it's just part of a raise kit. But the best freaking arm sleeves. Like I truly forgot how amazing arm sleeves are when it's hot out. They have full coverage over your hands. You don't have to burn your hands, but they have an opening for your watch, and they they're just super comfortable. They're white, which is the best, um, the best color, and you can dip them into streams, and it just keeps you so much cooler. And I will be racing with them probably a number of times. And man, I just forgot a good arm sleeve is just the best.

SPEAKER_00 27:30

Okay. Okay, I love it. Uh, mine is this, it's a it's a BBC article that I came across, and I they just announced a new long trail in the UK. It's called the King's Path, 2689 Miles Long, circumnavigates the England coast. Pretty cool. Um so uh for for the for the through hikers out there that have uh done the AT, the CDT, the PCT, what's the one over in New Zealand? Oh, the Taurora, yeah. Here's another one for you.

SPEAKER_01 28:08

I love it. There's gonna be a race to see who sets the first FKT. Do you do you know much about the right to roam rules over there?

SPEAKER_00 28:18

So I've only like very briefly experienced it myself when we were shooting with Jasmine Paris last year for the finisher. Um sh we used some trails and access that basically like demonstrated everything. Like we went through like like a farmer's backyard to get to a peak, and she's like, I'm like, whoa, we can do this. And she's like, Yeah, right to Rome. It's Scotland. Um, but I don't know. Tell me more.

SPEAKER_01 28:41

Yeah, I actually wrote in uh one of my master's English uh papers about basically the right to roam. And yeah, yeah. This is the content of the week.

SPEAKER_00 28:52

This is the content of the week.

SPEAKER_01 28:53

Oh gosh, yeah. Well, maybe we'll publish my graduate school paper. Uh no, I well, I don't know. It's it's a Google Doc. But it's just fascinating. It's basically don't be a jerk and you can politely and carefully run on people's lands. And it was honestly so interesting coming from living in Europe, especially Italy. I don't know if it's exactly the same law, but it's a very similar mindset. I mean, you you really like land, private public land is very differently thought of over there than it is over here. And so we then moved to Monterey, which the big sur area, and much of big sur is private. And so you'd be going along, and then you hit a fence, you're like, oh, and I could get in really big trouble. There's a lot of ranchers, et cetera. Like, someone could pull a gun out of me. And so it's fascinating to see the difference of the right to roam versus our more traditional ideas of well, traditional, I should say, in the like uh capitalistic uh mindset of land ownership.

SPEAKER_00 30:03

Our status quo. Our status quo.

SPEAKER_01 30:05

Our status quo, yes. And I would so love to see more initiatives of right to roam over in the United States and just the trust between landowners and land users. And I do think that has to be a trust because I I know that sometimes land users are not uh responsible. And so there has to be this responsibility um established and like relationship established. But man, that would be so freaking cool! Like if you could open up territory in Big Sur alone, we'll just take that area, that people were allowed to traverse more areas, even if it was private land and you were respectful, like that that would be the sickest hundred miler out there. I've talked with Dean Cardassus about like doing a big sur 100 miler out there. It'd be so cool. But that's just I would love to see more of those initiatives in the United States. I mean, we do have these beautiful uh national trails, but I would love to see even more mutual respect and relationships with landowners and users.

SPEAKER_00 31:14

It reminds me here in Salt Lake, our yeah, I would say our most accessible primary trail on the Wasatch Front is called the Bonneville Shoreline Trail. And it's been under construction, I think, since the early 90s, and it's supposed to go from all the way up in the Cache Valley near Logan down to like Payson, um, right below Mount Nebo. And there are still many areas in Salt Lake County where, like you said, describing the Big Sur area, like you run into fence lines and/or just the end of trail because it's private land ownership. And as an ex-politico, and I have no interest in ever getting back into the world of like electoral politics, I think it would be really cool to be a part of the teams that try to negotiate easements, even land parcel sales, or right-of-way access to like finish those. Because we're I we're talking like one two-mile, like truly last mile efforts to link up what is otherwise like vast stretches of BST. It's it's really crazy.

SPEAKER_01 32:12

Yeah. So that would be incredible. Ugh, that's that's we're putting out into the world.

SPEAKER_00 32:18

A fun way to end it, though. This has been the single track news. Thank you so much, Alyssa. And for those that are listening, watching, we are always looking for feedback. So and also shoot us news ideas. I I think I pulled three ideas from our DMs this week, including the King's Path, that hardcore Harry's challenge, et cetera. So thank you all so much, and we will see you next Monday.