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The Art of Mastery with Justin Burns
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Have you ever wondered how entrepreneurs overcome major hurdles on their way to success?
On this episode of Impact Warrior, I sat down with Justin Burns, creator and CEO of Miestro, to discuss his journey to becoming a "master of mastery." Justin created Miestro to allow course creators to streamline their online trainings and integrate everything from emails to websites to resources into one easy-to-use tool.
Justin talks about how he became obsessed with the art of mastery, how it has changed his business and personal life, and how he shifted his focus as a tech entrepreneur.
In addition to being a TEDx speaker, Justin is also a friend of mine. It was great to catch up with him and hear his thoughts on becoming a better business owner and human being in general. Even if you're not in the tech industry, I think you'll find Justin's insights to be valuable and impactful.
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What you’ll hear in this episode:
[3:42] Justin talks about mastery and his journey towards becoming a master.
[10:18] Justin shares how leaning in on his mastery helped him to shift his focus as a tech entrepreneur from trying to stand out amongst the competition to solving his audience's problems and building a thriving community.
[20:45] Justin and Casey discuss how they have changed their relationship to pain–and how it has changed their lives for the better.
[28:42] Justin talks further about self-mastery and how this pursuit of personal development has impacted his business.
[39:29] Casey asks Justin about the three things that helped him to succeed and to pursue the Art of Mastery.
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What's up, everybody? Welcome to this episode of Impact warrior. Moving on, and we're going to be talking today to a good friend of mine who has mastered the art of mastery. Live I did. Justin burns, he is the founder of a platform called Maestro it is and we're gonna dig into what that means with you, right? The concepts of master classes and things like that, that I think lean in on this but but we're gonna dig in even deeper with how your Have you been? You've pivoted in different directions to to really hone in on that mastery. But Justin is he's an awesome guy, super smart. Man this guy had, he's also done amazing jobs in webinars. He's like, crushed big ass webinars, did like some big numbers. And he's a TEDx speaker, as well. So we're gonna get into that and, and like, facing some of those fears, and like pushing, but beyond just just all that all the stuff that comes with that. So Justin, man, thank you so much for your time and being here. Appreciate you.
Justin:Yeah, man. I appreciate you. You know, having me on, you know, with the man the myth, the legend himself. EasyWebinar Stud I'm, I'm excited man for this interview. This is awesome.
Casey::Well, let's talk let's talk, you know, tell me about this mastery idea, man, cuz like, you know, you taught yourself coding.
Justin:Yeah, yeah. It's so interesting. Like it, you know, it master. It's like a new concept that I realized I didn't you know, how you subconsciously do stuff, right? And so innocently enough that the talk, the name of my talk was the art of mastery, because I was kind of like, discombobulated all over the place. Like, what should I talk about when I got the invite to be a TED speaker? And I was like, What should I talk about? This, I talked about that. And I said, you know, I was on the phone with a friend. And she said, Why don't you talk about something that you've done? And, and I was like, Well, I've done a lot, what do I narrow it down to? And she goes, I think personally, you are a you are, you're obsessed with mastery and learning. And I never really thought about it like that. And so, you know, looking at the journey of what it really takes to master stuff and kind of back it up a little bit. I think I used to didn't even understand the concept of mastery, until I really kind of did a lot of self reflection. And I realized that I was learning the traditional way of learning, which is what we all do unconsciously, because that's what we're taught in school. And so we pick up a book, and we read the book, and that's it. Or we go through the course we watch the videos, we try to apply it and that's it but that's not really what mastery really is. Right? There's some other steps that I had to realize that were a part of any learning experience or any mastery experience. And it opened up so many doors and it made my life is so much more fulfilling when I understood what it took to master stuff.
Casey::Okay, you can't just leave it there though. You got it you know what that means? Now? Are you talking about like like applying it to real life or the the art of of trying and failing? Like you got it? Can you give us a little more insight? Because this This is yummy, man this is some good stuff.
Justin:Yeah, so let's go deep on this right. Um, I think I think I used to do surface I think there's this thing in life when you look at life and the trajectory through our lenses are lenses are more so our experiences, our parents experiences, everything right? And even the way that we learn, but I feel like everybody in life is a level have a level of genius to them. Right? And you just have to figure out what your genius is. So for me, I'm going back to you know, even having the tech company maestro, he would ask me in high school. What are you going to do? I wasn't okay, I was like, I'm gonna go to Harvard. I'm gonna go to Yale. I'm gonna go to Spelman. I'm gonna go to what even a freakin Community College would have been great. But it wasn't I didn't know what I wanted to do until I was 22. Yeah, and even my even tech is fairly new tech is only six a six, seven year old love or passion, right? And so what happened is I started to pick it up my first book, I was I want to start a tech company, but I don't know where to start. And I started to first like it was so overwhelming like so freaking overwhelmed. I mean, I get stressed out even thinking about Right now, it's like learning this coding language learning this. And then one day, I never forget, I read the book 50 of law by Robert Greene, one of my favorite authors, author of The 48 Laws of Power. And I remember reading that book from cover to cover. And it was just talking about mastery and what it took. And the fact that learning is not this simple process. It's a process that you come into. And when you understand how the mind works, that that is what we equate to geniuses and the most amazing people in history. They were masters. And what that means is they went through the bumps and bruises they had this period of time in their life never talked about this. There's a period of time in their life. That referred to as the process, you hear the process, right. But there's another word that I want to highlight, which is called grudge work. Gregory, that's the part we don't talk about Gregory is this boring, long, really not fun, usually feel with anxiety, all type of emotions, that is a part of the mastery process. And that's the process that humans don't like to go through. And so what I realized is this is it, what happened is, is you go from being unfulfilled, and what do I do next, because you're so obsessed with things and you're you want to master it, you become a part of this process, where you remove yourself in the feelings from rejection, and you start to go, this is a part of any process. And to me, you have to equate that to number one the time, right. You have to loo you have to have this relationship to time. Because in essence, we we watch the clock, we want it fast, but any part of mastery has nothing to do with time. It's a part of being so engulfed in the process that you become lost in it, you become obsessed with it new epiphanies happen, that I'm not even acquainted to learn. And you get to the point where you create your own thought processes. And you don't you live off of people, you go, Oh, you know, Casey wrote this book, and he gave me a starting point. But you become so engulfed in the process that you have your own starting point, you start to develop your own methodologies. And I think as you go deeper, that comes with any process. So that's what I've been really obsessed with.
Casey::And that's so I absolutely love you said that, because most people are not in love with the process. But it subconsciously, I think that what you have to do is you have to, as you just said, take yourself out of it from rejections and all the bumps that you're the hurdles, because if you said, every time you hit a wall, I'm going to not do this anymore, that would you would be stopping your process, you know, Midway or wherever you are, but if you think of it from taking yourself out of the equation, and just saying this is part of the process, and you know, and that, that that rejection that I had is just one part of this entire process that I'm mastering, and I'm getting through, and you enjoy that the process part, I feel like, what people don't tell you is that they're always in a process. They're always in this place. You know, even even if you get to a point in your life, where you have what you had as a goal, you know, 510 years ago, and you reach that goal, while you're still in this next level of process and mastery into the next version of yourself or the next thing that you want to achieve or overcome, right. And, and I love that you you know, I feel like it is like fallen in love with the process fallen in love with your own thought. And, and, and, and how you and how you get from A to Z on your own, you know, and and what what it takes to get there and it's you know that and that that line is always changing. Because you know, there's you're never you're never like from A to Z you're not always Hey, I hit it. Now what do I do now? It's like it you you always have this next level of process that you're trying to work towards. If you are if you are someone who is trying to always improve. I think you have to also be someone who wants to always improve and wants to be better to be able to say definitely, yeah, absolutely. I'm ready to enjoy the process. If this and then go to the next thing and enjoy that process, like if you if you just otherwise you get stagnant you're not there's no growth. So, can you hear me okay? Or is there is a sound acting funny? Okay, okay, good. Good. Um, so
Justin:and and just to even play off of that right? Yeah, let's even let's even go with a, like a real world kind of thing that's more even authentic and being transparent, right? Like, you know, so you know, we especially you, you, you're the founder of easy webinar, right, I'm the founder of maestro, and people look at us as like superpowers, they develop a tech company, but there's the process. So the process even years ago, and this has been fully transparent years and years, we, we started off with the mission of developing a platform for creators. And that was just, we wanted to make it easy, we wanted to build something really, really cool. So for years and years and years, we, we were chasing an idea that was kind of rooted in the wrong way of thinking, which, which is really a path to mastery as well. So what we did was, we were just like, we're gonna compete with some of our competitors that you're familiar with. And it's like, we're gonna do this, and we're gonna do that. And and then it became the thing where the approach to the thinking was really not that great. Because we were more so chasing features, and opposed to solving a problem for our customers. And that was the wrong way of thinking. And so last year, last year, because maybe you haven't talked in a while your case actually really good friend, I'm tall. And and I'm sitting down at this event. And I forget, it was a tech event. And we're sitting down in the crowd, and the guy goes, a founder of Weebly, right, the platform Weebly, he's talking and he goes, you know, our platform went through so many iterations and, and he's like, we were trying to really solve it took over 100 iterations, before we found product market fit. And he goes through this whole dissertation about product market fit. Don't ever forget, he said something very simple. He's like, you know, many Platt, many platforms fail because their focus is on trying to be a me too product and opposed to innovating, and iterating and solving a really big problem for their customer. And it may sound really simple in nature, but I think because of the fact that I'm in mastery, and I'm always reevaluating my thoughts and processes, and me as a person, it just freakin one day just hit me last year, it was like a ton of bricks, or the end of the year, I got up. And I go to my team and said, Listen, we need to get on the phone with our customers and solve a big problem. Right? So we sent out an email the same day, I Counterspell for two weeks, and all we're doing is on the phone with customers going in and ending in. And we find out that we've been going in the wrong direction. And it was such a humbling moment for us. And I haven't hadn't really been connected to my platform for probably over about a year for really this connected with it. But the journey to mastery and kind of connecting it all is that we started to we didn't change directions, or we didn't change directions. But we realized that we only saw part of the equation. And the other equation was more rooted in the biggest piece of what I feel going to be this year. And that is connecting our students we saw part of the problem. Part of the problem was, hey, you got this course you sell it. But the other challenge was engagement and getting people to actually consume your product. You hadn't solved that challenge. So now what we felt like is that in order to sell a course, in order to sell a product, you have to build a community. And you have to have an engaging experience for your customers. And so now I'm excited because that's the direction we've gone in. And it's going to not only separate us from everybody else, it's also going to allow for us to be in our own identity. So I'm excited about that. That's perfect.
Casey::I love that. Yeah, I mean, and I think that's important. You know, you need to find out, you need to dig in and find out what what people's biggest problem is, you know, I kind of think, you know, ours is like, you know, people don't need webinars, they need to be able to position themselves the right way. And webinars being that perfect way to kind of position yourself right And, you know, and people, you know, that come into our ecosystem, they want to be able to sell their stuff in a in a better way, but they also want to be able to, to, to scale it up, but you know, at the same time, you know, they're, that's, you know, they they need to figure out how you know what they're gonna, how they're gonna fulfill on that at the end of the day as well. So, you know, that's where obviously, I've thought so much on the same on the same topics of like, where we're going, you know, what's the vision for where we're headed? I love that you talk to your customers and found out that it was like, engagement that that did it. That was like communities and how you're you're so now your focus is building out communities, and then being able to like, drive those help those people from the community angle into courses and things like that. Is that the that's the plan?
Justin:Yeah. Okay, connecting the two, because I've been obsessed with connecting the two because I think you have a combination of two different things, right, you have the online course platform, and you also have the community platform, and you have separation, but they're actually one in the same, right? People buy courses. And they, you know, I didn't know this until I went down the journey and go and start working with course creators is that people who sell information, they're not really selling information. They're selling an experience. And, you know, I like to say, you know, there's a couple reasons why people buy online courses, right? They don't just buy it for the information of the learning of the thing. Right? They buy it because number one, they want to end result, right? They want some specific problem that they want to solve. That is this specific thing. It's not I want to learn how to do webinars. No, I mean, I The end result is I want more sales in my business, I want to be able to communicate and make more sales through a vehicle that will teach people a whole kind of rudimentary process, right? So that's one number two, they join because of community, not the community of a Forum Board or Facebook group, the dynamics of a community is so much deeper than I even imagined. And what I realize is one of the things that we did earlier this year is we have a another kind of element to our business. Because we were kind of talking about, we were tired of like, people talking to us about courses. So it was like one guy came up to me said, Hey, can you help me with my course, we did this course for him, you know, as a back end service that we offer, just you know, because we added more people to our company, and they were like, Hey, we can help sighs systemize the whole process breaking down their course we we basically film this course everything just as a case study, right just to see, six months later, this guy did a million dollars in sales from what we did, right? So we kind of reverse engineer, what we did. And what we realize is the biggest mistake that people make is they start with funnels and ads and all this other stuff, when really, they should be focusing on the back end part. Because if you can fix the back end part, if you can fix the community element, the community element will drive the front end sales. Because if you just have a standardized course, where people are coming in one way, they're leaving out the other way with no type of connection. And so that's kind of one of the main reasons we've been really getting into communities and why our focus is going in that direction.
Casey::I love that. So to like to kind of sum up what we've talked about thus far, it's about really leaning in on that mastery. And that process as that mastery, and you doing your own work, you found that you know, unpacking what your customer's true problems are, and being able to solve that that is a part of your process. That's a part of your mastery. I love it, man. I mean, you know, you and I, we could obviously talk for a while and I could I could like find out like I was like, Well what, like, tell me more about what you're doing with community because I get this thing and I'm doing this thing and I'm trying to do this here and I could I could go into the things that we're doing. We're like community connection conversation. These are big parts of kind of what we're trying to do. And obviously, as as someone who's just trying to build a platform that has a more connected connective, you know, way of creating a sale, right through relationships through you know, positioning through high impact conversations, you know, type of thing. And what what can come from that from a community standpoint or follow up standpoint, you know, or conversation standpoint. These are all good questions that you and I will geek out with a geek out on at some point but I want to I want to ask you, you know, you really you touched on this, and I think this is powerful. But, you know, did you ever find that your moments of struggle like your storm, you know, where, where it was really, you know, trying trying times? Was that through the process was that a part of that whole mastery and process that you had to sort of reframe rewire your brain to be able to say, like, this is just a wall that I'm gonna have to, you know, or a problem that I'm gonna have to solve? Or a nut that I'm gonna have to crack, you know, or wall, I'm gonna have to break down like, like, or did you a lot, you know, what was a real trying time for you? And was that a part of like that process?
Justin:Yeah, I think, I think throughout all of our lives, we tried to avoid this, this P word, right. And that P word is pain. And, and I think, you know, as human beings, we don't want to experience a lot of pain, right? So we avoid pain, we avoid the pain of rejection, the pain of regret, the pain of all types of stuff. And I think the first time it happened to me, right, that I didn't see it is, is that I remember probably back in 2013 2013 2014, I was trying to be an entrepreneur, right. And I didn't have a tech company, I had something else had a coaching program just wasn't working out. And I remember getting this notice in the mail that was like your house is in foreclosure. And I was so like, dialed in trying to be an entrepreneur that I had, didn't even know my bills are behind, and I didn't have hardly any money in the bank. I was so obsessed. And I remember with, you know, at my then, you know, at the time, my then fiance was like, you know, she was she was working and she's like, you know, I could pay the bills. I'm like, No, I'm gonna be a man. I'm like, no, no, I'm gonna figure this out. And then I remember just like being straight in the process. But then, you know, I joined this other program. And I remember the guy saying something, he said, Justin, when you change your relationship to pain, the world opens up for you. Because you're attached to the wrong type of pain. And it was like So mind boggling for me when he said that. And I just went on this journey of facing the pain and facing the pain facing the pain and just doing this stuff I just hated doing. You know, learning how to sell over the phone, learning how to do webinars learning how to how to speak and I take you ate my words, and I was really I was an introvert I still am. But this time extrovert introvert, I manage it well, but that's how I was like, I was stutter every like, it was horrible. But going through all this stuff, and it was very overwhelming, but facing the pain base and and getting better better every day. So six months, late, four months later, they were like your house is gonna be taken in two months. I cracked my first 20k a month. My mother never made over 25 grand in a year. And I was like, I was looking at that screen. I was like, Wait, how much did we do in sales was $20,000. The next month we did 30. The next month after that we did 40. And I was like, wow, this is crazy. So I call up the company. I call up the bank. And I go, how do I get my house out of force? As I got some money, I got money not gonna pay. You're like file all this paperwork. And the greatness in me was like, You're asking the wrong question acts a more focused question. Like walk in your power. And I said, Actually, I want to make an offer on my house. The lady like kind of snuck was on a bicycle. What you're in foreclosure. I said, No, I want to make an offer. Without all the paperwork. I come in, I want to buy my house. She goes back she said, Okay, we can make an offer. What do you offer? We got Oh, like 150,000? I said,$60,000. I don't know why I said 60 grand. I don't know why I said it. And she goes, alright, deal. And I was like, Okay, I gotta come up with 60 grand, even though I made all this money out all this debt power. Right? Yeah. So I said, do what you did. The pain that you face to get to the other side. We did a $50,000 month and they kept going up. And I remember mailing in this check. She let me do it. Let me break it up. 20,000 20,000 20,000 Because I built a relationship with her. And I remember they sent me this letter. And they said, You have officially paid off your home. This is the title to your house, to your townhouse. And I'll never forget the feeling of that. And what comes with that story. Is that was just one story of I faced a pain and I got through that I changed my relationship to pain. And that has been anytime I get into any, any bad situation, this and I've been in sound, the bank account gives low or the the credit goes bad or I didn't get I got denied for this, I always remember that one of the story and say, Justin, you just got to change your relationship to pain, it's not gonna feel good, when on the other side of that you're gonna meet more of yourself.
Casey::So it's funny that you say, and I had to learn how to speak or, you know, like, you can sum up more more eloquently than I can some of the things that I want to say. So and that's clearly a part of your mastery, because, you know, you and I did the same stuff, like where I had a stutter, and I had to try to like figure out my messaging, but still, you're speaking more eloquently than I am on this topic. Because when I tried to talk about pain, I tried to talk about like, like, like working out, you know, and pushing and growing muscle and the pain that that it takes to do that. It's like, you have to enjoy it, or live in that pain and be and be comfortable with what that means. And then you're you're creating, you're constantly changing your threshold of pain, right. And so when you change your relationship, it's it's like just having a higher threshold for that pain. So that pain is no longer pain. It's just, it's just one thing that you have to overcome, you know. And, but I love the way you said it, it's like changing the relationship makes, it makes way more sense to me. So I love that you said that. And, and I think that's really interesting how you, you said you, you know that you changed the conversation with them around, like, Hey, this is what I want to achieve. And you were able to pay off your house and doing that, that's really cool. Because, for me, I, you know, I, I went through the same thing where, when I was first starting out, my house went into foreclosure, and I had to try to figure out how to get it out, you know, and I was thinking I was just gonna let it go. But then something in me allowed, you know, was I was able to like, like, dig deep deal with a pain, Modify My Loan, and then be able to, to actually keep my house. And then years later, I paid off my second mortgage on the house, like maybe a year or two later. Which got me back into like this, you know, positive cash flow point. But like, these were those moments where you had to where I had to live in those in that pain. And it's a, it's a reminder of where I've been to where I know, you know what I can do and going forward. Like, it's, it's almost like, when you've dealt with those things, it helps you to assess a risk, opportunity, you know, and now we have this different, maybe we have a different idea of what risk means, you know, and we're willing to take risks, because we know that we have this sort of inner capability of being able to face painful moments and a different way now that that relationship has changed. You know, yeah, I'm fine, that's changed for you in terms of your, your, your threshold for risk, like, are you more are you like more risky now? Because, you know, hey, I can I can I can? This is my secret sauce, you know, like, I know that I can I can replicate my success here or replicated here. You know what I mean?
Justin:Yeah, I think, I think it's a combination of a lot of things. Right? I think, you know, tying it back to entrepreneurship, you figure out, I think the first thing of self of mastery in general is mastering yourself, right? You have to go on, you know, spiritual, emotional, physical, you know, and all of us struggling with so many different areas. But, I mean, like, for example, I went on a spiritual journey last year, you know, really defining like, what's more than just meets the eye like how can I go deeper? How can I become more of myself? How can I discover what old belief patterns I need to throw out what you know resonates with me today in an emotional state, you know, evaluating those emotional traumas that come up and even even on a on a more physical now right now, I'm mastering the physical you know, I got a trainer and we push through every day and it's been challenging. You know, all those things. And so why I say all that is, that gives you a clear level of thinking to really be able to evolve in your business, right? Because there's probably entrepreneurs watching this. And so now that's given me a level of to answer your question. It's given me a level of connection to my business and opposed to dreading my business. So when the challenges come up, I go, okay, is my team in alignment, I was just talking about this on a webinar yesterday how, you know, I have a right hand guy, his name is Brian and Brian handles all the things that I hate, that doesn't align with me. And I'm able to be the visionary, which makes me more happier to deal with the challenges. So you figure stuff like that out, you get a good team, and you don't just hire me, you have talked about this before you don't hire just freaking based on how cheap somebody is. Right? I realize even more and more as my entrepreneur ship journey grows, like, I want to hire based on how freakin amazing somebody is not, you know, oh, this person is this price, you know, and all this stuff that comes from I feel like self mastery and you evolve as time progressed.
Casey::Yeah, and I agree with you, I think those are, those are a part of it, where, you know, you you choose, you get a better sense of how your your own vehicle is going to run, you know, what, what do you need? What kind of wheels do you need? What kind of gas do you need, what kind of, you know, engine do you need, you know, you figure all those things out, when you're on your way to building anything building a company. But you you know, you and I, we have a tech company, you know, we have a software companies, so and these are the things we've had to figure out. Budgeting, you know, CFO is like, all the all the stuff that makes you grow up, you know what I mean? And, and I feel like, you know, I've definitely done my part in his last year to try to really lean in on that, you know, we brought in more, more higher ease and, and things like that, and, you know, really quality people who are really like friggin good at what they do. And it's, it's been great to see how those additions have helped the vision and the journey and the path. So I agree with you, man, I think that's like, like looking at that. That's, that's that's what, that's what, you know, that's what mastery is. It's like the evolve the evolution of your own prop process and how you end the the ecosystem you create for yourself. So Justin, man,
Justin:yeah, and you and even giving you some, you know, I think even a mastery to have in the struggle. There's so much greatness in the struggle, there's so much, even when you feel like you're not getting good, other people see it, like you know, me and you have been friends for years, even since we met a webinar, because the first time I met you, and I was a fan of yours, and you know, for years, and we met, and I just saw how you have even evolved from even just just two years of knowing you, man. And so, you know, it's even sometimes we have to show ourselves grace, we have to not be hard on ourselves. Because even though it feels painful, and it's you know, it might feel like nothing is happening. There is some amazing stuff happening and we're evolving. So it's, it's, that's a part of it, too, is like being not so hard on yourself and just going yeah, hey, this sucks. But yeah, I'm growing.
Casey::Yeah, I think I think we all can put too much. Like, oh, man, why am I not growing enough? You know, or like, personally. But yeah, I think you're right, you have to give, you have to give grace to yourself, that, you know, you're, you're you're going to evolve. And your season for evolution will come you just have to let it come. When you were talking about self mastery, man, I was thinking about, like, I have a friend who started doing like this, this micro dosing, you know, taking like, like mushrooms and stuff like that. And, you know, in the past, I was like, I don't know if I would ever do that. But, you know, now nowadays, I I've opened myself up to the idea that like, hey, you know, what, if you know there's always different ways to open those parts of ourselves that will help us to to be more clear on who we are, and what our purpose is on this on this earth. You know, so now for me, I have no biases around that. I've never done it, but you know, I have no biases, man, but you know, so.
Justin:Yeah, and that shows a level of growth. I remember. I read a book called stealing fire from a Navy SEAL. I forget his name, but the book is called stealing fire. And he talked about he talked about micro dosing, right, and how micro dosing with different plants open his car which is mine and different levels of consciousness, we're not going to go down that path but what I will tell you is, I was the same way. And I remember I actually started to explore plant medicine a lot more not from that from the standpoint of, you know, you know, just like assuming it as a drug but more so just kind of getting tapping into those different things and what I was say is it changed my life and it opened up newfound doors that really tapped into it makes you see who you are. And and my and shout out to my boy David, he actually introduced me to it, he has an organization called journey within where he helps a lot of you know, people dealing with like alcoholism, and they and he helps with plant medicine. And what he found was people became less addictive to their behavior through plant medicine, but to kind of tailor back to your point you have to be open to we're so fearful of like the unknown we're so fearful of trying new things and the stuff that we hurt as a kid you'll find that most of that stuff is actually for your good like the stepping outside your comfort zone, doing the fearful stuff taking the trip and if you start to pay attention this is me and my life right the growth that experience is I just it is allowed for me to stop and actually really experienced new things in my life and experience that so it's been amazing
Casey::that's awesome so hold on one second I gotta turn on my other camera Can you still hear me okay the Aggie okay sorry my this camera died this is after three hours of podcasting right here where did he go? Where do you go Why is he gone but not I'm back I'm back Yeah, you know I I think you're right I think we have to like let those biases go anything that we you know experience from our our past but like you know anything that that is the unknown i It's like when you when you start to feel like I want to I want to grow it's all about allowing yourself to be on the precipice of the unknown and and taking risk to open up more around who you are so stealing fire is it I think his name is Jamie wheel is that right?
Justin:Yeah, let me see actually the book is Yeah, Jamie will fire Yeah, really good book talks about you know, micro dosing and how and I think as entrepreneurs to like, you know, I would just say if I were to say that even in mastery one of the top three things that I've ever done in my life is to micro dose and try different plant medicines and how it's actually changed my relationship to myself my Creator and even my set like how I view myself is changed it's kind of broken down this ego of who I am and the way I view myself and so I would say is one of I would say you know obviously when I go to but I would just say that now
Casey::I could go down this path with you guys see what I did I opened this up
Justin:I opened it up man so one day
Casey::we can tell we are on the same for
Justin:save for UK for UK see like one day you have to yeah that's the way it is man. So like one day you have to go down that path because it will change your life and it will change a lot of people's lives for sure.
Casey::Oh so I want to I want to you know I want to finish with this you know like what what are what are like three three things that that helped you in in creating this mastery you know, I like you because you just said that you think that this was part of one this was one of them you know like opening up your mind this way what are three things that have helped you in your success and your and your and achieve and and living in that mastery the art of mastery Can you can you maybe distill those down
Justin:Yeah, so three things that have contributed to mastery so number one is I kind of talked about it changing my relationship to pain right? Really in order to do that it's a constant you know diving into the fire as I like to call it. It is constantly diving into the fires constantly facing stuff that I don't want to face not you know getting over this idea that everything with the stars have to align and the stars are going to park in the skies. There's going to be this great moment of feeling this is not how it works, you have to dive in right now you got to take immediate action, most successful people in life, they make freakin fast decisions, they say it and then they do it. So it's changed your relationship to pain, I would say number two is, you know, being being obsessed is one of the things that I talk about is obsession is not just, oh, I'm excited, like obsession becomes this thing that you that you do day in and day out. And no matter what results you're getting, you're obsessed, you're diving so deep into a topic that your mind starts to make correlations to things. And, and you you start to make discoveries, you know, you think about Isaac Newton, I read his story, and just how he discovered it, right, it was a play breaking out. And he went through all of these different variations. He discovered, you know, mathematics, and mechanics, and so many different things from mastery, and a play. Like we're living in a, you know, what kind of our modern day play, right? So, you know, I would just say being obsessed and not just being so fear mongering and focused, I would say, number three, would have to be plant medicine. I'm just, you know, there's, it's been, you know, and this is so funny, because this is one of the first times I've talked about this on the public forum. But, you know, I've learned to just, I've learned to, I've learned to just, you know, go with who I am and, and just really discover, like, those things that have really, you know, changed me in a profound way. And that's one of the things.
Casey::Yeah, I mean, again, this is why I talk about it more, because I'm, I'm way more open to it now, way more, like, you know, receptive, having these conversations with people excited to see what that means for for where I go. You know, I, I, I'm starting to try to not just master a thing, but master who I am. So can you hear me? Okay, I feel like it keeps doing some funky stuff. But you can hear me right. Okay, yeah. Okay. But yeah, I'm like trying to master me. And I feel like by mastering me, I master all the other pieces that align with me, my vision, my vision for this, or for this project, or for this project, and everything goes in sort of that centralized direction of how, who I am, as a human, right, and the legacy I want to leave and the the impact that I want to leave, right. And so, you know, the more we pick apart this whole concept of, of leaving impact and being impact warriors, it's all about, really, you know, the theme is that there's this part that is all about, you know, changing this changing your mind, changing your perceptions changing, you know, how you view things. And, and, and, and so, that's been a through theme with, with this podcast, and I appreciate the the insights you gave, because they were so clear, and so wonderful, that, that I think people will be able to, to have really, you know, amazing clarity points and takeaways from this. So, Justin, you're not you and I could talk for a while, but but I want to just thank you so much for what you shared today for helping us understand and discover our own pathways to mastery. And before we go, you know, how, how can the audience who's watching this? How can they follow you? How can they know about more about you? What's the best? What's the best place for them to go to?
Justin:Yeah, for sure. So you guys can follow me on instagram CEO, Justin burns, or my personal website is Justin Bernstein. Net. And then our platform for online courses. You know, is Maestro which is not spelled the regular way it's m i e, S T R O. So there'll be some links right below this video. You guys check it out, get a 14 day trial host your online courses, build your communities and do some amazing stuff. I have a passion for creators and I just want to help creators get the message out to the world in a big way where people can you know receive it so it's love what you're doing to Casey man, I appreciate you having me on for sure.
Casey::Yeah, well, you You and I have been good friends. We when we get on we could talk for hours and resonate on a lot of different things. That's why we're on that wavelength and I that's how I that's how I could connect on that point and pull that out of you that's never been on public forum before. So uh, So Justin thank you for your time and I'm excited for this podcast to go live so everybody thank you for being here and listening and we'll see you in the next episode take care buddy bye