From Assistant to Head Coach: Sullivan's Redemption Tour

The hockey world is buzzing with news of Mike Sullivan's impending appointment as the New York Rangers' new head coach. This fascinating development reconnects Sullivan with GM Chris Drury, dating back to their days when Drury wore the captain's "C" and Sullivan served as an assistant coach.

Sullivan's journey from Rangers assistant with a struggling power play to two-time Stanley Cup champion with Pittsburgh represents a compelling narrative of growth and redemption. Now, he returns to Madison Square Garden with the championship pedigree Drury has coveted since taking the GM position.

What makes this situation particularly intriguing is the potential addition of John Tortorella as associate coach. The prospect of these two experienced hockey minds working in tandem could finally provide the leadership and accountability structure this talented Rangers roster has lacked. Their successful collaboration during the Four Nations tournament suggests they have the chemistry to transform this underachieving group.

Meanwhile, Joe Micheletti's retirement after 19 years as color commentator marks the end of an era in Rangers broadcasting. Many fans are eager for a replacement with genuine Rangers DNA – someone who has worn the sweater and understands what it means to represent this storied franchise.

The roster itself presents significant challenges. With approximately $9.67 million in cap space and several key players needing contracts, Drury faces difficult decisions. Questions persist about whether this core group can win together, or if more substantial changes are needed beyond another coaching change.

Sullivan inherits a team with undeniable talent but questionable mental toughness and leadership. Can he instill the necessary accountability to elevate them past Florida and Tampa Bay in the Eastern Conference? His history of holding players responsible – even stars like Marc-André Fleury, whom he benched for Matt Murray en route to a championship – suggests he might be the right person for this critical moment in Rangers history.

What do you think of Sullivan's hiring and the potential addition of Tortorella? Can this coaching tandem finally maximize the potential of this Rangers roster, or are more significant changes needed?

Chapters

• 0:23 Breaking News: Sullivan to Coach Rangers
• 10:53 Sullivan's History and Rangers Coaching Needs
• 22:43 Tortorella's Potential Return as Associate Coach
• 35:42 Micheletti's Retirement and Broadcast Future
• 48:14 Team Leadership and Player Accountability
• 1:01:36 Brett Howden and Drury's Questionable Trades
• 1:14:45 Roster Changes and Cap Challenges
• 1:28:02 Future of Core Players and Team Direction
• 1:36:33 Cooley's Contract and Offseason Expectations
• 1:44:29 Draft Lottery and Show Wrap-up

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:23

Good evening. Two guys, one cup Sean and Rock. May 1st 2025. It looks like the Rangers are headed toward hiring their 38th coach I believe it is that's correct In the last two years. Sean and Rock are here. It looks like Gus latest. I guess that's Costa. That's Costa's. Is that the evil brother Cousin? What do we got? Human Human? I know I learned today that Costa is a human, so that's good. That's good. I've also learned that Mike Sullivan, which I saw someone posted today, the worst kept secret over the last four years is that Mike Sullivan would be a coach of this team under Drury and it was no secret that Drury tried to. He kicked the tires with Pittsburgh before hiring Gerard Gallant, so this has been the guy Drury has wanted the whole time. I'm sure it played. Listen, you want to call it. Uh, what's the tampering? Whatever these guys all talk, they're all friends. Yeah, a jury hired, you know, um sullivan to be the coach team, you say for the four nations. It's. It's a relationship that's gone on for for a very long time. Uh, he was an assistant coach over Drury when Drury was the captain of the Rangers. God only knows how far back their relationship goes. It is what it is. We'll talk about it here.

Speaker 1: 1:54

Rock, happy Thursday to you. First off, how are you feeling? I heard you're on the IL. I'm day-to-day. Are you on long-term? I'm on the Michael Sauer day-to-day. Oh, wow, we all know how that worked out. I'm glad you're on the mend. I'm glad you're on the mend. I'm glad, happy to hear that. That would have been a good name for a podcast Michael Sauer day-to-day podcast. Wow, that would have been a really good one. Would never end. It would never end. Longevity, yeah, absolutely 100, 100.

Speaker 1: 2:30

So, all right, when I first heard the news I'm going to be honest with you and then you, you, I, I said this on our, on our show uh, you, you text me and I brought it up on the live, on the live thing that I did the other night, and you said how do I, how do you feel about this? And I think I don't know the other two words you use, but one of them was indifferent. What were the other two? I said happy, basically happy, sad or indifferent. So my initial reaction and this is me, you know, being always glass, glass, half empty, type of uh, ranger fan fan was with Sullivan.

Speaker 1: 3:04

When I heard it, I was like, okay, all right, another guy that has won somewhere else. You know that's going to come here collect the paycheck. You know there's been three coaches in NHL history we all know we've talked about this that have won the cup with multiple teams. And you know, and I said to myself, is Sullivan the guy that's going to be the fourth guy? And are the Rangers, who are notoriously the footnote, from a negative perspective, going to be the team that exercises the demons, is going to be the team that hires the coach for his second. You know his, you know his second team to win a championship, right? So you know I was like all right, you know, listen, they have to do it. I mean, seeing who else is out there.

Speaker 1: 3:56

We went down the college route, david Carl. We hired David Quinn. We all know how that worked out, even though I thought Quinn was fantastic, his first season here, much like every other coach that has come through here the last seven seasons since AV's left. So the candidates I wasn't impressed with Tockett, they kind of lost it over to Vancouver. Do you really want to bring in that guy? And then the other name has been Jay Leach.

Speaker 1: 4:26

I've never gotten the talk of the thing, mitch Long that name came. Who the hell is Mitch Long? He sounds like a basketball player. He was another guy they had brought up Right, you know what name I heard. You know what the name I heard? There was a name that got brought up on nhl radio and I'm a big mccurran fan. Guys who listen to the show know, know that by now. Right, right, um, but the caller brought up manny malholtra being a coach of the rangers and I'm like they're saying he might get a shot in vancouver. Oh, he might, and that's fine. But again, I've said this, I've said this for years the new york rangers, the new york yankees, the dallas cowboys, the lakers, the knicks when you insert big market, high profile that the toronto maple leafs, these are not teams for first-time head coaches when you are trying to win.

Speaker 1: 5:25

When the rangers hired david quinn, they were going into a rebuild. They wanted a teacher. I had no problem with that hire at the time. I matt carl. This guy might be a phenomenal. I think it's david. I think it's david carl. David car is matt carl's brother, mac. Oh yeah, they're related. Oh, they are related because mac is a defenseman that played for philly and right tamp and a few other good teams. I think there's three Carl brothers. This is one of the brothers. Okay, I think he's 37 years old, university of Denver, you know he had a ton of success with them. All great things.

Speaker 1: 6:02

Not New York City. Not trying to get our convincing Artemia Panera to play a certain brand of hockey. Not convincing veteran players that have been in this league. Matt Carl David, whatever his name is has never been involved with the NHL. He's never been an assistant coach here. He's never been an assistant coach here. He didn't play in the league.

Speaker 1: 6:25

How are you telling $11 million athletes how to conduct business? Well, just out of curiosity and again we would have to look this up Did Paul Maurice? Did he have head coaching experience? I know he might have been an assistant, but he was fairly young. I'm just throwing this out there. I don't know. And where did he start? He started in Carolina Small market. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work. Listen, I definitely don't disagree with you about that. I'm not about bringing in those type of guys. I just feel like they never work.

Speaker 1: 7:02

You said the first-time coach, like you said, david Quinn, was brought in at the right time, when they brought in, when they brought in Renny. You know, I believe it was guy for the perfect time, and I think Renny did have some assistant coaching experience, though too, right? So again, wasn't he the player development guy before he was? But I want to say he was involved in the NHL. He was involved in edmonton, wasn't he involved? I forgot that was after us, was it, wasn't it? Yes, he was, but he was involved with. What's his name? Uh, quinn, pat quinn, right, weren't they like? I don't know that part, I just. But I know that he went to edmonton after us, yeah, yeah. So again, you're right, those type of guys never seemed to work. He had no interest in that.

Speaker 1: 7:46

So my point was that there was no viable candidates. You really had no choice. For me it was Quenville, it was Quenville. My second choice was Torts, in the short term, for as long as you're going to keep this core still together, and then, when the core breaks up, then you let Tts go and you bring in your Matt, david, keith, carl, whatever his fucking name is. That type of guy you bring in your you know, boy, wonder and who you hope can grow with the team. Yeah, yeah, but for every one of those guys there's a Guy Boucher, there's a Scarface out there that has a glimpse of success and the next thing you know they're gone. And everyone that turns into a Paul Maurice or a John Cooper. That doesn't happen to us. Well, and Paul Maurice, to be fair, sean, how many times has he coached Toronto? He coached Winnipeg, I mean, he bounced around before. He's always had success, except Toronto, except for Toronto, he's always had a little bit of success. That seems to be a common theme, unfortunately. Yeah, toronto just won.

Speaker 1: 8:54

By the way, I believe I wanted Quimble To me. If you were serious about trying to win a Stanley Cup, joel Quimble was the guy to hire. I'm not going to disagree with you. The only thing that I agree with a lot of people about with him was that I think he needed a more low-profile place to go, based off of the stuff, all the stuff that's been swirling around. I just don't think this would have been any— Describe a soft landing spot for a hockey coach. Why would a hockey coach need a soft landing spot for a hockey coach? Why would a hockey coach need a soft landing spot? Because of all the stuff that's gone on? If Joel Quenville was hired tomorrow by the Rangers, I would be fine with that. But I'm just saying Hold on, hold on Introductory press conference.

Speaker 1: 9:39

They put the jacket on him. It's all Zoom, obviously, yeah, of course we get to watch anything Right, it's all Zoom, obviously, yeah, of course Everything's Zoom. We get to watch anything Right, it's all Zoom, zoom. The coach will have a press conference for him. Okay, they'll have the press conference for him. They'll put the 1939 jacket on him or whatever the stupid jacket they put on all these head coaches when they hire him. And it'll be asked. It'll be asked in all the breakouts. It'll be asked of Drury why did you hire this guy with a check and pass? It'll be asked of Quenville what have you learned in the last 10 years, 15 years since then? It would all be over and done with before training camp started. It would be old news by the time the Rangers are 5-0 or 0-5.

Speaker 1: 10:25

In October, the talk will be of the team. It won't be of Joel Quenville and his mishandling of the Chris Beach situation in 2010. It won't be. It would be back-page stuff for the week that he was hired. The day that he's hired, everyone will have their opinion. It'll be asked at the press conferences and written about after the press conferences and then it would go away.

Speaker 1: 10:48

Listen, I agree with you in some respects, but just the way the Garden's thinking right now and this is just pure speculation on my behalf is what's gone on with Panarin, which went away very quickly, if you haven't noticed that Went away very fast. I think they just didn't want another distraction. I think they kind of wanted to dust this under the rug again. Bill comes in, he walks us through the door. All of a sudden, all the questions come back up. I just don't think they want. They wanted to wash the hands of everything and not have any other, any other trauma, and that just that's just my pure speculation. No, no, and I've heard this from people who, who actually friends of mine, who know how Dolan works, put it that way, okay, know people that are very close to Dolan. And just the fact that Joel Quenville was never, ever going to be a consideration for this job. He wasn't three years ago, he wasn't four years ago, he wasn't now, never a consideration. I thought Torts would have been the guy.

Speaker 1: 11:46

Let's talk about Sullivan. I'm just going to give my bird's eye view of Sullivan. I can't forget that I hated him as an assistant. He was in charge of the power play. And Sean, let me tell you something, the power play was terrible. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if 50% and yes, more than 50% of this fan base even remembers he was the assistant coach for the Rangers. I think so. I would be. I, you know the, the, the intelligent fans, especially ones in our group and our surrounding groups that we affiliate with, they'll all know. But I'm sure there is a vast majority of Ranger fans who have grown up with AV. From AV to now, we have no clue that he was an assistant coach with us and that he ran the power play.

Speaker 1: 12:34

And it was an inept power play with talent. It wasn't like this team didn't have talent to have a power play. Oh, they had talent, not like this team, not like these last five years. But they had Brian Callahan, sean, 30 goals for him, is he? I mean, that's the. He wasn't on the first power play. They had Gabrick, they had Richards Gabrick. Yeah, they had talent. They had like the 30th power play. You remember when we used to get a power play. It was like, can we just? So let me ask you a question. It was a joke Can we decline the power play? But, to be completely fair, they have never had and I know you're not a fan, but Fox is a better quarterback than anyone ever had, including McDonough, and I love McDonough. He was not a quarterback for a while. No, he's a five on five defense. I can give you that, fox.

Speaker 1: 13:28

And is Panarin the best player the Rangers have had in the last 20 years? Yes, I mean Jager's borderline, but you had Jager at the end of his career. I mean Panarin's doing stuff. Panarin's doing things that we've never seen. Right With the longevity that helps, yes, exactly, but, I'm sorry, finish, no, no, I just I can't get out of, I can't get.

Speaker 1: 13:55

I know it's been 12 years or whatever, however long it's been, but when I still remember when Pittsburgh hired Sullivan to be the coach, I laughed at it. I know I'm like, great, awesome, I did too, just like I'm seeing islander fans today talking about hiring peter chiarelli to be their gm. I'm like, yes, please hire peter chiarelli. Oh, where did you see that? Uh, some islander, uh, listen, if they an islander version of us, I will die, I will, I will literally, I will literally, I will metaphorically, I will metaphorically die. If that happens. I mean that would be absolutely epic If that happens. I exactly how I felt when the Pittsburgh penguins hired Mike Sullivan yeah, and then here we are, we're facing them in his first playoff series as their coach and their goalie gets hurt, and it's like we're going to, we're gonna, we're gonna win this series in five, just like we did in 2015.

Speaker 1: 14:52

And then hank throws the net off the fucking moorings and here we go, you know, and jeff zabkoff, uh, shuts us out right, and he goes on and wins a cup. And you got to give him credit that he made the goaltending change. Um to matt murray, that he had the balls to do that with a hall of Fame goalie that had won a cup there already. That couldn't have been a popular decision in the locker room, let alone anywhere else. That's what I'm hearing and that's the one thing I can say that I've liked about what I've heard is that he does hold players accountable. But I mean, is it fair to say that we heard the same thing about la violette and about galant? We did so, I were, until I see it right, happen in a game.

Speaker 1: 15:32

I mean it is. It's all. It's semantics. At this point, I need, I need to see it. I need to see, what do you take things? What do you take from all right, because there's always going to be the argument I don't know why my camera's not very blurry for some reason. Yeah, I mean, it's always something technical. Yeah, pretty soon you're just going to see the uh, the stripes, like. You know the tv, you know when the tv station goes out.

Speaker 1: 15:56

Yeah, um, what do you take from the person who says he had four hall of famers, including sydney Crosby, on his team? He should have won two cups, and doesn't get any credit? Name me a Stanley Cup team that doesn't have four Hall of Famers on it. I mean there are very few teams. He'll bring up the St Louis Blues. He'll bring up the freaking St Louis Blues for every goddamn freaking time.

Speaker 1: 16:21

I was counting the Kings. No, no, it was the Kings. I was counting Quick Kopitar Dowdy. Goddamn friends, I was actually. I was counting the kings. No, no, it was the kings. I was counting. I got the quick kopitar dowdy dowdy, you know made. You know, dustin browns I'm making. Probably not jeff carter's, probably not gabbert. I mean it's close. I mean it's close. Good players, not whole of famous, but those three are right, so they have three. So it's close. I mean I would have to go really go down through the roster, but I mean because they may have. They might have gotten some at the trade deadline. That was a Hall of Famer. I'd have to go back and look. So, jimmy Mack Drury never wanted Quinville.

Speaker 1: 16:50

Sully was absolutely pathetic as the assistant coach. 29th ranked power play in 2012,. 30th in 2013. Yeah, jimmy, I can't get that out of my system. He needs to. I mean, I've accepted he's going to be hired here and he'll be the coach, but, man, he's got to do something to wipe that taste out for me. And listen, I think he will and I think it's only a matter of time before he does.

Speaker 1: 17:23

The one thing we haven't gotten to and I don't know if you want to get to it already, but where my opinion changes about this hire is if Tortorella is coming on board with him, because now you have a two-headed monster where now it's essential You're hiring two head coaches and you're hiring two separate, maybe two different personalities, but have the same idea of what they want to do for the team. Now it would have to be a situation where Torts obviously Torts would be accepting of it. He wouldn't be taking the job and he's and he's got a close relationship. He'd be like the associate coach. But would he be able see, because for all of torts's antics and there are a lot of people who don't like I mean, jeff fortgang fucking despises tortorella, I love there are a lot of people who don't like Torts.

Speaker 1: 18:24

I hope he does handle the press conferences. Mike, honestly that is gold, him and Rex Ryan in this town at the same time was something to behold. Man, oh my God, I couldn't get that through the Midtown Tunnel fast enough to hear his press conferences after a loss. Anyway, because behind all of the antics and all of that there's genius in there. He is that good of a hockey coach. So if he's gonna, if sullivan, not if he's gonna let sullivan, if sullivan's the head coach and he's bringing on torts, to essentially be the teacher to these guys a little bit. Because the head coach you know we, we've learned through the years the assistant coaches are closer to the players usually than the head coach, right? Assistant coaches usually the ones in the locker room talking, talking x's and o's to the team, head coaches in the office, you know, usually for most, most of the time.

Speaker 1: 19:18

So could Tortorella in this little bit of a reduced role, actually be more of a teacher and have a completely different personality towards these guys, as he's not the whip cracker, so to speak. So we're not going to hear a stiffen up? No, we're not going to hear it. I just watched it 20 minutes ago. I swear to God, just before we got on, I just saw this Stiffen up or you're not going to like it or you're not going to play. Oh, my God, I love that line. If you're not going to play stiff, you're not going to play. Maybe you know, sean, he just may be tired yeah, it could be. He may be tired of answering all the questions, or maybe he just wants to coach and not have to deal with the spotlight. I have a reference that 90% of you are not going to get. The 10% of you that get it will laugh Blue Chips.

Speaker 1: 20:07

You ever see the movie Blue Chips? Of course I've seen the movie Shaq, penny Hardaway. Of course we're dating our age here for some reason. Yes, a lot Blue Chips. To be fair, though, we were very young when that movie came out. Yeah, I think that could be 93. Was it 93? Yeah, shaq was a rookie. No, shaq was a rookie, it was 93. Oh, yeah, you're right, I was in eighth grade. Yeah, you're right, penny Hardaway was the 94 draft and so he was in it too. I was in eighth grade, right, and good old Ricky Rowe, ricky Rowe, yeah, anyway.

Speaker 1: 20:46

So what's Nick Nolte's? Something was his character, oh god, yeah, not pete boyle, but it was like a easy, easy sounding name. Um, so you see the tension building up in him this whole time and he's he's a bobby knight type of coach and he's a nut job and he screams at everybody, kicks chairs, throws balls, all this shit. And he didn't like having to pay the players. And when he confesses all of it to the media at the end of the movie, it's like a weight just came off of him and he walks out of the arena from the press conference, walks out of the arena and he's walking down the street. Yeah, and what does he see? Some nine and ten year olds playing pickup basketball, right, and he goes over there and he just starts. He starts doing his thing, he just starts teaching people. That's what it was. I was gonna say pete best, but he was so.

Speaker 1: 21:33

Could that be a scenario here where it's like I don't know, I no longer have the stress of being the head coach. I'm not the motivator. I can just, I can just work with these guys. Yeah, no, maybe, maybe that's a role that he'll embrace, maybe that's his idea at this point. It's definitely possible. I mean, I just think that you know. Thank you for allowing that whole thing, by the way.

Speaker 1: 21:59

No, that was great because I love that movie. I remember as a kid really I got my dates screwed up. I actually went on a cruise with my first cruise, with my family. On the cruise ship they had a movie theater and they played the same three movies and I probably saw Blue Chips three times while I was there. So I love that movie. It's a good one.

Speaker 1: 22:19

Bush McRae With Papa, rock, neon Bordeaux we didn't just get him a car, mcrae. And with with Papa with neon neon Bordeaux. Yeah, um, but anyway, just get him a car. We got him a fucking Lexus. No, it was a nuclear surfboard. Yeah, happy was the other guy that was the JT wall. She always played a prick. Friends of the program yeah, friends of the program my, our hands are clean. Anyway, we'll talk about blue chips on another show. Yeah, we have plenty of summer episodes. We can talk about blue chips. Yeah, we just lost people because you started talking about blue chips. Sorry about that, guys, I'm only kidding.

Speaker 1: 22:53

But as far as torts, I think bringing him in if that's in fact the way they're going to be heading, in, whatever capacity he's brought in, as you know I think it's a smart decision. I think they saw the results from the four nations and maybe they realized that they could all coexist. So it's not a bad idea. No, I mean, it's not a bad idea. Who was the other coach? What? Who was the other coach with them? There's usually two assistants, right. You know, I don't even remember David Quinn. I know David Quinn was on the staff at Pittsburgh. Yeah, no, he's not coming.

Speaker 1: 23:32

That was laughing, hysterical. I said when was the last time? I said that would have to be at NHL? Like when was the last time you ever saw a head coach and an assistant and then they come back to the same team in the reverse role, like that's unheard of. So who's coming back? It's been you coming back. It's been a very long time for Torts to where Right, and he's at the end of his coaching career anyway, most likely. No, no, for David Quinn. There's no way in the world David Quinn would come here.

Speaker 1: 24:01

David Quinn's somewhat still in the prime of his coaching career. I mean, what is he in his 50s? But you don't come back to the same team that divorced you. There's so many of the same players oh yeah, there's so many of the same players. Right Towards, all he's got is Miller and Tyler. That just goes to show you that.

Speaker 1: 24:20

What was I going to say? How much this team has not turned over in the last five years. I mean, david Quinn's only five years removed and we are looking at essentially the same team that he came back to. Exactly. He was the start of the score, exactly. But not to throw cold water on everything and I'm not because I am very anxious to see, if this does come to fruition, right, what they can do, but I hate to break it to you you bring in real rolling back the same team. You're not getting a much different result. This team is still not good enough to win a championship. They're not, sean.

Speaker 1: 25:01

Watch these teams that are playing. They're not better than them. I'm watching, man. I've been watching. They're not Sean. Watch these teams that are playing now. They're not better than them. I'm watching, man. I've been watching a lot of this a lot of the playoffs. They're not better, they're not better. I mean, you want to, and I'll tell you what team in the East is scaring me. None of them. Florida, even them. I'll tell you right now. If Tampa Bay, thank you. So Quinns was an assistant in the Four Nations. Thanks, mike. And John Hines oh, john Hines, who we almost hired instead of Javier Letts. There's another guy that's loved by this. These are his guys, these are Drury's guys.

Speaker 1: 25:38

If Tampa Bay doesn't play Florida in the first round, if they played Toronto in the first round, they'd beat Toronto. So those are two teams you're not beating. So either one of those teams come out of the Atlantic. You're not beating any either of those. So until they can, it's my point, plain and simple. It's not about making the playoffs anymore, it's not about winning a round, it's about winning a championship. Oh no, you are not good enough to beat Florida. If you're not good enough to beat Tampa, it does not matter, and I can't bank on Tampa. If it's Ottawa or Buffalo or Toronto knocking one of those teams out, you can't depend on that. You need to be better than those two teams, and they are not better than those two teams. They need to be those two teams Personnel-wise. I think they have more talent, so they need to play better. They do Based off of what. Who's okay, right, here we go. How are you doing this? How are they better? In what way? Let's bring up Florida. Bring up Florida's roster.

Speaker 1: 26:40

You tell me if, other than Panarin and maybe JT Miller, I would put Reinhardt, I would put Barkov, I mean Verhege's better than the next year guy after those two guys, verhege, if Carter Verhege was on the Rangers this year and put up his stats, you would have ran him out of town. What did he put up? Guess, because you just mentioned him 20 goals, 20 assists, 40 points, 20 and 33. He had 53 points. It was a minus 14. Playing 18 minutes a night? Okay, how is he playing the playoffs?

Speaker 1: 27:22

I don't care about the regular season anymore, oh, but that's what we were talking about. No else, I don't care about the regular season anymore. Oh, but that's what we were talking about. Well, I don't know. No, I'm talking about winning a championship, for hakey has two goals and an assist in five games in the series. Okay, how many overtime winners does he have? I don't know? Oh well, I'm just. I'm just looking at this season. I'm not. I am no longer basing my stats and anything on regular season.

Speaker 1: 27:44

To me, it all boils down to what this team does, these teams do in the playoffs and every. Tampa Bay and Florida both have not only superior players in in a lot, in almost every position, they also have playoff pedigree, which they Rangers have zero of. That's not true. They played in how many playoff series in the last three years? I don't care, that's pedicure. How many of them did they play in insignificant goaltending? How many series did they play against backup goaltenders that they won? I mean, you have to take that into consideration. I'm sorry. Well, how, how? I don't, because it's team versus team. Rangers didn't have guys hurt. Be dead honest with me. I had to hear about how Adam Cox was hurt.

Speaker 1: 28:33

If Tristan Jari is healthy, in two years ago and he was having a good season Can you tell me what team Tristan Jari plays for now? I don't care. I'm talking about three years ago. Jim Carrey won a Vezina and he was out of the league. In three years you can have a great season. Tristan Jari was having a very good year before he got hurt. It was not Tom Barrasso, the third string goal and he barely beat them. This is Tristan Jari, who is a third string goalie, so I don't care.

Speaker 1: 29:00

Sean, we saw Darcy Kemper win a cup. He's freaking awful. He's not awful. Darcy Kemper is not a good goaltender. He's going to be a runner-up for the Besna this year. What are you talking about, dude? I don't agree with that. He was great this year. He played for it's Hellebuck. Who are the three for the Besna? It's Hellebuck, I think, it's Vasilevsky and Kemper. I don't think so. I know for a fact. Darcy Kemper is one of the three finalists for Vesna.

Speaker 1: 29:32

How the hell did that guy win? How the hell is that guy a finalist for Vesna? He was great for LA this year. There's your answer. That's how one guy can have a good season, but it's not his only good season. He wasn't good for Colorado that year. He was good. Colorado was good in spite of him.

Speaker 1: 29:47

You want a cup? Yeah, that's my point. You can win a championship with not good goaltending. Listen, you cannot sit here and tell me that Tristan Jari is. Oh, if Jari was in that First of all, if it wasn't Jari in that game seven. My point is yeah, tristan Jari played game seven and we won. If they're not playing for how many weeks If they're not playing for two games? And they lost in overtime? Did he not start the series? No, Casey DeSmit started the series and then he got hurt. I don't give a shit. Tristan Jari played in game seven. I don't want to hear anything about it. That's my point. My point of the matter is that it's Tristan Jari. We're making excuses about Tristan Jari. I'm saying if your number one goalie goes down and you're playing your third string goaltender, tristan Jari.

Speaker 1: 30:43

Yes, torts and Carter did have a rocky relationship, but I don't think Kreider's going to be here, unfortunately. So I don't think it's going to matter. But he loved Miller. He did love Miller. It's weird. He loved Miller and didn't like Kreider. And then AV came in, who didn't like Miller and loved Kreider. It was very weird. Our two best prospects, yeah, flip-flopped as soon as the coach came in. Yeah, that's true, that's a good point. I don't think Ekblad is a big loss. I mean, I think they'll just disperse the money elsewhere. Bennett's a loss for Florida. Bennett's a huge loss for Florida.

Speaker 1: 31:21

They were just talking about that in the chat. I apologize for not knowing Darcy Kemper had a high. By the way, I apologize for not knowing Darcy Kemper had a high percentage. I did not know that. I love having this new chat feature on StreamYard. As opposed to what we used to be using, it's so much easier. We would have to get our phone out and look at it from there. This is really great. I forgot what we were discussing, where we left off Tristan. You were still waxing poetic on Tristan.

Speaker 1: 31:56

My point is my feeling is that the Rangers have won serieses and then we're going to seven games, in most of them against teams playing por poorest goaltending. And how happy is Carolina? I mean, they owe the Devils, but how happy are they that they don't have to face us, because that's the only way that team will ever win a championship is if they don't have the playoffs. And it's just so funny because they play so well against us in the regular season and then they meet us in the playoffs and they don't have the playoffs. And it's just so funny because they play so well against us in the regular season and then they meet us in the playoffs and they don't know how to handle us, which is really strange. And it's really one of the few teams that I could say that the Rangers have owned for the most part in the playoffs, which is, you know, there's not Other than the bubble. They don't beat us. Yeah, the bubble I don't really count. I don't even count that it's making the playoffs. But I forgot what I was saying. But I just until they can beat those teams, until they can beat those elite teams, we're going to see what Washington does against a better opponent.

Speaker 1: 33:05

I mean, they still went to six games, I believe, right, they only went to six games, I believe, right. Well, they only went to five games with Montreal and from what I understand and I didn't watch any of the series Montreal gave them a run for their money. It wasn't like these games were a walkover. I believe None of them were blowouts, right? Maybe one of them Was one of them a blowout. It's the playoffs. You're not going to face teams that. You're just going to sweep four games and win 5-1 each game.

Speaker 1: 33:33

It doesn't exist anymore, like we did against the Islanders in 94? That's a different league. That was a much different league where it was way more top-heavy than it is now. There's so much parity that that doesn't happen anymore. Think of it the Rangers finished where they finished. If the Rangers had made the playoffs and it wasn't Montreal.

Speaker 1: 33:53

You're telling me that there wasn't at least an opportunity that they could have turned the switch on and just walked all over Washington? Of course they could have. They had the talent too. Yeah, and to be fair, just like how we were in the playoffs last year and I don't think we played great against Washington, we just did what we needed to do Again, played another inferior goaltender. There's all the pressures on the top seed. I mean there's zero pressure. There was zero pressure. Just like if we had gotten in, it would have probably benefited us if we would have been a lower seed, because there's no pressure on you to do anything. You're not expected to win. So you know it's sometimes that's. It's easier to play in those circumstances.

Speaker 1: 34:41

This is all going to come down to leadership. I still agree with everything Messier said during that intermission getting the first game of the playoffs. Sean, I can't stand. I cannot see stand seeing this team walk it back again. I can't, I can't, I can't watch it again. Until you have leadership. None of none of the personnel moves matter until you have leadership. So sullivan comes in and you hope that he brings a certain cachet and maybe a little more fire than necessarily Laviolette brought. Like you said, we never saw Laviolette hold anyone accountable, which is contrast. I saw Gallant holding people more accountable than Laviolette. I agree.

Speaker 1: 35:20

Let's go from Sullivan's point here. It's been how many years since he's won a playoff series? It's been a while, 2018. And he still has Sidney Crosby, who and let's be honest, he hasn't slowed down. I don't care how old he is, he hasn't slowed down. He's still a top five player in the league.

Speaker 1: 35:38

Fucking prick Crazy. Yeah, the guy had 91 points this year, him and Ovechkin. I just want to stab them. I'm just so tired. Can they just fucking go away? I mean, we've seen them. We're watching them for almost 20 years now. Just fucking go away. Get out of the fucking Eastern Conference. Go away. I'm so tired of the both of them. It's just yeah, just go away. And to be in the those two guys in the Metro for 20 years we got to watch these two guys, yep, oh my God, awful. I'm so tired of both of them.

Speaker 1: 36:10

So Sullivan wins the Cup his first two years at Pittsburgh Right, gets to second round in 2017-18. And then four straight years eliminated in the first round. It's not, it's almost like so. It's been one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. It's been eight years since he's won a playoff series.

Speaker 1: 36:38

When you have a coach that went, that's won a cup and now he's looking to get back to the top of the mountain again. That's eight years. This has been eating at him probably. Wow, has it really been? That's a lot. That's a long fucking time, man.

Speaker 1: 36:52

17 was the last time he he won, got past the first round. I thought it was 18, but that doesn't matter, I'm sorry. 18, 18, right, he got to the second round at 18, because then that was the year they beat ottawa right in the uh. No, that was after they beat us. Oh, they won the cup and they beat ottawa right. Is that the? That was after they beat us. Oh, they won the Cup and they beat Ottawa, right. Is that the year they won the Cup? No, so the first year they won the Cup. The second year they beat us in the first round. The second year was when we lost to Ottawa. In the second round we lost to Ottawa, ottawa took them to seven games in the Eastern Conference Finals. They almost beat them. And then they get to the second round the next year. That was the last time Ottawa won a playoff series. That was what it was.

Speaker 1: 37:31

Okay, I'm sorry, I've got my facts screwed up a little bit. The 2018-2019 season and three more years after that, first round eliminations, and then they haven't made the playoffs in the last three years. You know what worries me? This is another caveat that bothers me, bothers, that I'm concerned about that. They are going to bring all these guys back, that keonji mill is coming back, that everyone, everyone's coming up, but everybody's everybody, and I'm not just saying that like that. They're not going to make decisions that maybe need to be made because this new guy is coming in.

Speaker 1: 38:10

But we said this already. We said that we went line by line who's not going to be here, who should be here, who shouldn't be here? No, we're being honest with ourselves. I know we did do that. If it's Cooley Miller and Zibanejad, if it's 10, 30, 10, 16, 13 again, yeah, I know. If it's cry, I cried.

Speaker 1: 38:33

There's the one wild card. We don't know what about chandra miller, though? I think gun to my head. I think he comes back on a bridge. I don't think he gets to, I don't think that he gets the long-term deal he's looking for and I don't think the rangers have any appetite to give him a long-term deal either. I think that they will look for trades.

Speaker 1: 38:51

Five million dollars how do you keep this guy over five million dollars? He plays 23 minutes a night but he doesn't put up any points. 23 points you get five million dollars up, but putting up 23 points and be a turnover machine, I mean I, I just don't understand how an arbitration, how these arbitrators don't say okay, how many times do you have to put over? I don't think it gets arbitrated how many pucks? But my point is is why not? And when they do go to arbitration, there's no point Because all they do is split the difference. Okay, I want $12 million, we want to pay you four. Fine, we're going to give you eight. I mean, no one wins, no one loses, they only always split the difference.

Speaker 1: 39:32

Don't underestimate the stability. And you know what, johnny Mac, they need two defensemen. They definitely need two defensemen. They don't have a top four. They do not have a top four defenseman already with Fox's partner, which is the first problem. And if Keiondre Miller doesn't come back, then now that's two holes. It should be Miller. It should be Miller. Miller should be playing with Fox.

Speaker 1: 40:02

I think you need the athleticism on one side and the brain on the right side. I think that's how you protect it. You know what Sean athleticism on one side and the brain on the right side. That's how you protect it. You know what Sean? Those two guys together? I mean, that's a recipe for disaster. But they played well together. Do you think so? Then why would they split up? I don't know. I'm telling you, I don't know. I don't know, because they were 4- 15 when they played together. Was it during that stretch that they played together? I don't remember exactly. How good could they have been if they were four and 15? I mean, I don't know how many goals. I don't know any type of numbers.

Speaker 1: 40:42

You're preaching to the choir. I would love to be able to move on from them. I just don't know what's going to happen and you should be bringing this one right into the equation. This is where you should be campaigning. Brett, fucking Howden. I mean, you know what's going to happen. You know what's going to happen. You know it's going to fucking happen that when him or Lafreniere get traded, one of them, this whole fan base is soured on all of these young guys. It's going to happen. It is going to happen that one of these guys is going to fucking explode and I'm not saying brett howden is conor mcdavid. But 20 goals this year, 20 plus goals this year, after scoring one in an empty net, all of a sudden you know he's scoring overtime winners, he's doing this, he's doing that. I'm like, what do we? And then, not only did I retweeted I don't know if you saw, I retweeted.

Speaker 1: 41:42

A guy on Twitter posted every one of Drury's trades and moves. A guy on Twitter posted every one of Drury's trades and moves. They traded a third-round pick for Ryan Reeves, they traded a third-rounder and they got a fourth-rounder from Vegas for Brett Howden. That is who is leading us. That is the general manager that is leading us into battle for possibly the next five years. He's now gone through. This is going to be his third coach. He's traded away second picks like they're going out of style Third round picks for third pairing defensemen Trading two second round picks so someone can take off Patrick, joe Namath off their fucking hands. I mean, this is the guy that's leading us.

Speaker 1: 42:29

Do you have any confidence? I'm scared. I said this on the show two weeks ago when we talked about this. I'm thrilled that hopefully Sullivan will bring some kind of stability. Vegas just eliminated the Wild Perfect. Hopefully Brett Howden is scoring the game winner again. He's got three goals in the series coming into tonight. But, to be fair, he had five goals in the cup run two years ago.

Speaker 1: 42:54

And again, what is it about this team that they cannot draft, they cannot develop players? It's not that they developed Brett Howden, they didn't have the patience. They didn't have the patience to let him grow. He scored one goal. He was 24 years old, I said at the time. I said no, he wasn't. He was 22 when we let go of him. Was he that young? Yes, he seemed older than that. I feel like he was here for five years. I said at the time, when this kid is 25, you can't Listen. Not everybody comes into the league and is Matt Rempe or is Brady Kachuk, just where they're physically able to dominate at a very young age. So you're asking Brett Howard to play in the bottom six role, which is the proper role for him. He's not a top six talent, but at a 22-year-old you can't manhandle people at 22.

Speaker 1: 43:43

Did he play in Hartford at all? Again, this is another problem. He probably never played a game in Hartford at all. Again, this is another problem. He probably never played a game in Hartford, or maybe he played partly. I thought he played a season down there actually. Maybe he did, maybe I'm wrong. Did he play for Hartford Hockey DB? He might have played for the Tampa Bay. No, it's for the Tampa Bay. He played in the no, no, he never did. He played five games for the Syracuse Crunch. That was it. See, that could be part of the problem too.

Speaker 1: 44:13

They rush these guys. Well, that's what they do. They do one of two things. Either guys just waste away down there. He wasn't rushed, he was 20. He was 20.

Speaker 1: 44:29

How old is Othman now? How old is Berard now? Are they 20? Othman's 21. Perot's 19. What's his name?

Speaker 1: 44:36

The other guy was a fifth year in college type of guy, if I remember correctly. The only way to justify he was 20 years old, but he wasn't able to physically dominate at 20. But he wasn't able to physically dominate at 12. He wasn't able to physically dominate at that age. I don't know. It's really that. I'm just. It really just comes down to that. And I'm just curious do you have Howden's numbers up? I know he put up 20 goals this season, but before that, how many goals? What was his most goals he had in the season? I thought maybe you had it in front of you. I was just curious.

Speaker 1: 45:13

It's not important, I don't know, sean, I just get so worried with this general manager that he doesn't know what he's doing. I just don't think he knows what he's doing. We got to move past base because it's here. Well, I know, I'm just, I'm worried, I'm not gonna be, why I could be worried about it and then not and accept it. Yeah, and to the rest of our fan base, who I love and respect enough with jack eichel, enough with complaining about jack. I mean, I was still doing that all. Vince mccogliano, on his Twitter feed, was still fielding complaints about Jack Eichel. I don't remember why. Why, I forgot. I think he listed, I think he had an article about Drury's trades and the Bucinevis trade obviously came up again.

Speaker 1: 46:05

You know, I can't believe he made this trade and just kind of fueled a whole new anger amongst everybody. Again, you can blame jury for a lot of things. You can't, and you know what, and and and again I I got into a debate with brian attard on his on his on his show and I think I told you about this. Brian attard said and I respect Brian and he's a wonderful, his show's wonderful Blue Truth follow him. They should have given everything they could to get him. They did.

Speaker 1: 46:35

Well, here's my feeling on that. What is everything? So you wanted them to trade. Now it's hindsight, it's 2020, now, right, right, right. So now you want to trade? I would have traded. I would have traded everyone. I would have traded Hedl, kako, lafreniere, miller. I would have traded all five guys. Honestly, I would have. Now, no one would I know. Now You're not telling me. I'm sorry. Yeah, you cannot tell me how many years ago it's now Four years ago that you were trading Lafreniere and you know six first-round picks, right? I mean, you can't tell me you would have done that, especially when it only took Peyton. Was it Peyton Krebs? Peyton Krebs and Alex Tuck, and Alex Tuck and a first-rounder and a first-rounder, that was it. And Alex Tuck's a nice player. I would take Alex Tuck on my team any day of the week. But I mean, come on, I guarantee you the package we offered was more 100%. Pagoula was not trading him within the state, that's it.

Speaker 1: 47:30

And if everyone wants to blame anybody, blame the billboard assholes, because that's probably the reason why he didn't come here Between their church. Yeah, they got their church, they got their billboards. They're partly the reason why, if not the sole reason why. So you want to blame anybody and throw any venom on them? You throw it their way, forgot. He even owned the Sabres until that billboard went up there, especially after he gave Christian Aroff an eight year contract until he let you know. Oh, my god, I still. I will never forget that trade, that free agency day when they were giving away money. The only reason I remember that too Is because that's the year they got Brad Richards and they were wondering if Richards With Pagula was going to really go nuts Getting him. But I don't think Richards was throwing a buffalo. But anyway, yeah, I don't know, man, it's going to be interesting to see what they do.

Speaker 1: 48:30

But the whole reason we're talking about Howden is do you give up on Miller? Well, that's the thing. Do you keep letting him develop and hope that patience proves its worth? Yeah, I don't know. We're also trying to win. So I think he's available if the right.

Speaker 1: 48:51

I don't see them trading Keonji Miller for draft picks. No, don't see it happening. No, troy's going to have to sack up and make a fucking hockey trade. I mean that's the only way to change the team. That's it. I mean that's the only way, unless there are three-way trades that he's more comfortable making, where he's trading Miller for a draft pick and then flipping the draft pick for a player. Yeah, kind of what what's it called? Kind of what Vancouver did with Marcus Pedersen. Exactly Stupid trade, stupid trade. Patrick LB should be fired at the Marcus Pedersen, and then you give him $6 million a year. Yeah, I mean that's what Keanu Billings is going to get for it. I think Pedersen had a better year point-wise.

Speaker 1: 49:31

But the ignorance of these general managers, I mean, just to save their ass, yeah, and you know, the thing that makes me laugh about Drury is he knows he's not going anywhere. No, so I mean this owner doesn't fire GMs, except for Jeff Gordon. We couldn't stand. Jeff Gordon went public and said I disagree with my owner. Was that Gordon, though, or was that Davidson? Oh, it was Gordon. He had Davidson. He went to Davidson and said you had to fire Gordon, and he refused to fire him, so he resigned because he agreed with Gordon. He had enough, enough class to well, speaking of class, let's, let's. Let's jump over to this.

Speaker 1: 50:11

Yes, on this show, I have killed joel micheletti as long as you guys have all known me as well as rock. When, joel micheletti, when john davidson took the st louis job uh, presidency job and I found out joel mich Micheletti was going to be the guy, I thought it was temporary. I said he already works for MSG. If I remember correctly, davidson took the job like late in the summer, so it was kind of tough to to just hire someone at that point. Micheletti already worked for MSG, so it was a seamless transition.

Speaker 1: 50:43

He was doing the Islander games, right? Yeah, was he doing the double games? That was islanders. Islanders, that's what hey worked with. Howie rose, that's right.

Speaker 1: 50:49

So it was all right. He's already here, he's in the market, he already. He's already employee. There's no onboarding process. No, you don't. Don't have to change the uh, the payroll, it's just flip them over to the other team, right? I thought it'd be maybe a year and then they'd find somebody. They'd find another next, an extra ranger, 19 years later, incredible.

Speaker 1: 51:11

But for all that, I've killed them and I I didn't mind them so much this year because he got critical of the team. And why did he get critical of the team Because he knew he was retiring this whole time and there was nothing that MSG or Dolan could do about it. So he had no reason not to be critical and do his job the right way, right, um, but kudos to him for not stealing stam's spotlight at all this entire season. Not not one hint was ever laid about him retiring and he let sam get all the bouquets and all the celebration and he respectfully bowed out a week after you, out two weeks after the season here. Right and honestly, it's a very classy move and from all accounts he's a wonderful person. Great. He seems like according to Don McGrecker, he has a sneaky sense of humor, just an all-around good guy.

Speaker 1: 52:09

I'm going to tell you my personal feeling, and I said this, and I've said this a million times this has nothing to do with Joe Micheletti, the person he is to me as an original six franchise or a franchise that's been around 100 years. You should not have a guy that never played for the franchise as your color commentary. That's it, plain and simple. Brock, the problem is the Devils have Janico, the Islanders have Butch Goring. Why do we have a St Louis Blue as our color? Does it make any sense to me. I thought it was temporary because it never made any sense.

Speaker 1: 52:43

Yeah, guys, I know that there's maybe not listening this show, so much Cause I think we have more of the. You know the uh, gen, gen X, and you know older millennial uh listenership here. Maybe boomers out there, who knows? Um, you don't know what good color guy sounds like as a Ranger, you know. If you didn't really experience I'm not saying you were seven years old when JD was the color guy here, rock, and I grew up with JD you knew you could close your eyes and not actually see the game and God damn it. You knew if something wasn't going right Because you felt it from JD. There's heart there. That guy bled for this team.

Speaker 1: 53:30

If you listen to the radio and you can't see anything, I have such a much better feeling on what the Rangers are doing because of Dave Maloney, because you can hear it in his voice the disdain for how they're playing, at certain times Right and the opposite. When they score an overtime goal, some people like to make fun of the fact he jumps out of his chair. Joe Micheletti could never jump out of his chair for the Rangers. He never played here. No, and he's not like with the Knicks. He's not Wally Zerbiak, where he grew up here and is part of the city. He's from Minnesota. He played in St Louis. He has zero affiliation with the Rangers, yeah, other than he was the color guy here for 19 years, but never did you ever feel an ounce of oomph and holy shit, to where you had to hold back emotion.

Speaker 1: 54:25

Every Ranger game felt like a national broadcast. Yes, and that's the part that drove me crazy. Right, where you know, everyone got treated to it. I don't know if everyone watched this game. I watched it solely because Sam and JB were about to get on the game against the Flyers. It was appointment TV to me. It was like stepping into a time machine. Right, it was appointment TV. For me, it was like stepping into a time machine. Right, it was wonderful. And I don't know if you and I talked about it a lot. We might have done a show about it.

Speaker 1: 54:56

I don't really remember 100%, but when I hear JD talk, he told you stories. He talked about his playing day with the Rangers. He talked to you about Panarin's family life. He talked to you about this. He explained to you stories. He talked about his playing day with the Rangers. He talked to you about Panarin's family life. He talked to you about this. He explained to you things, joe, I never. And again, this is nothing. Again, I don't want to kick Joe when he's walking out the door. I want to thank him for walking out the door.

Speaker 1: 55:21

I never learned anything in 19 years from Joe Micheletti. No, did he ever tell any stories that you could remember, anything even about his own playing career? Do you remember ever him telling you anything about his own playing career? No, a couple of times, guys. He played against and that was it. And why do you think he never talked about it? Because no one wants to hear about anything that, as a Ranger fan, why did you really give a shit about hearing about St Louis Blues, korea?

Speaker 1: 55:52

I'll put it to you this way Chris Katsopoulos could have been the color guy for the last 19 years. It's like 17 games for the Rangers, right, but he played here. But he played here, right, and the guy still. I mean, how many times I've had drinks with the guy, fucking blardy rock, before games are at the game? You know he still bleeds for the rangers, even though he played. He played for other organizations. He was here for a fucking cup of coffee. Essentially, still, he still feels it for this organization and that could only be someone who played here that can do that or someone who grew up here, right? No, that's a point. Joey Mullen never played for the Rangers. No, joey Mullen could cover the Rangers. He grew up, he grew up 10 blocks away from Madison square garden, right, and grew up a Ranger and grew up a Ranger fan, right, right, yeah, it's, it's not a sad day. I mean, when Sam walked out the door it was a sad day and, to be fair with Sam, I mean it was time, but we have 94. You know, we had the years with JD. We had a lot of great memories, a lot of fun.

Speaker 1: 57:09

It's a shame in some ways that, you know, maybe sam maybe hung on a little too long, certain things. I don't think he was as egregious as you know some, some other people might have felt he was. Yeah, I also feel. I also feel that I think joe brought him down a little bit. I did, I did, I did. I think you know, jd, I don't, sean, I sorry, sam did not make one mistake, not one mistake that Sam make, not one, not. It's it hit the crossbar and the puck, you know, went off the guy's glove, nothing. Or hit the post and he's saying save None of that. And that floor, I was watching, looking for it. Trust me, I was. I got to see if he makes a mistake tonight. He was on point. Maybe it's just one game, yeah, I don't know. Listen, I saw Joe Biden give a good speech there once. I guess he bumped up with a whole bunch of shit, that's true, but I don't know.

Speaker 1: 58:06

I think this is a good turning point and you know what this team, this franchise, needs to get the stench off of this season. I mean, think about it. There is a lot of rancid sewage coming out of this franchise right now. They need to turn the corner, they need to move on and they need a fresh start in every facet, in every way possible. I'm very curious to see who they replace Joe with. I mean, you know who I'm throwing my hat in the ring for, and it's Dave Maloney. I would love it if it's Captain Dave. I wonder, if they go, somebody younger, I think they will. Someone to relate to, I think they will, and maybe Dave Dave's in his 70s? No, he is. Maybe he doesn't want to do travel? Oh, he definitely still does all the travel. He travels for all the road games. Does he travel for all the road games? Yeah, he's a full-time color guy for radio. He wants it. I hope he gets it too.

Speaker 1: 59:00

You heard Callahan's name mentioned. I don't know. I think Callahan's done a decent job doing the national broadcasting. There's not a lot there, he's not good, but it would be interesting. And I don't know if Brian Boyle even wants that job. He's a young family, yeah, he's got kids and everything. I don't know if you'd want that Boyle's probably more studio. And same with Valaket. I don't think Valaket would want the job either. What about Rupp? No, wouldn't want the job either. What about Rupp? What about Mike Rupp? I'd like him. What about Eddie Olchek? Can you get him from Seattle? I don't know. Oh, does he have the Seattle job? Oh, yeah, yeah, he took the Seattle job. I thought he was still doing the nationally broadcast games. He said he did a lot of national broadcast games together. Yeah, x-ranger Cup winner. That would be fantastic.

Speaker 1: 59:46

Storyteller, does anyone tell the story? Like Eddie Olcher, no one tells. I tell the Ally Afraidy story. So funny with Brophy. Could we steal Kiprios out of Toronto? No, I don't think that'll happen. Is Kiprios even a color commentary guy, though I know he's on TV? I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. I think he's more of an analyst.

Speaker 1: 1:00:09

Just give me somebody who wore this jersey. Exactly, that's who. I feel it could be Jeff Isbister. Just give me somebody who wore this jersey, it could be Mike Peluso, and they traded him for the preseason. Ryan Malone oh my god. Yeah, well, at least he actually played a regular season game for them. Oh god, honestly, any guy that actually guy. Yeah, well, at least he actually played a regular season game for them. Oh god, anybody, honestly, any, any guy that actually played for this team is I'd be fine with at this point.

Speaker 1: 1:00:34

He, I wonder, I wonder how to put a lobby let ranger career and been the, been the? Uh well, let me, let me ask you this is it well? I guess I guess that wouldn't. I guess they wouldn't announce it because they didn't announce kenny albert right away. They didn't announce ken because they didn't announce Kenny Albert right away. They didn't announce Kenny Albert right away. I wondered if they would have announced Joe's replacement right away if they knew who it was. No, they would give him. They're going to give him the day. There's no reason to announce that they didn't. I mean, we knew Sam was retiring for a year, so there wasn't really a. I was just curious. I was just thinking maybe no, they wouldn't say it today. Yeah, they had to have known.

Speaker 1: 1:01:12

I don't think this was a surprise and I know you said it and I'll tell you. I don't know who said it first. It was you or Jim Schmiederberg from BSU. I know he said it on his show multiple times and I even talked to him about it. I remember him saying he said I think Micheletti's gone too. I think Micheletti is way too critical of the team. I know he said it too. I wasn't sure who said it first. I don't want to get into it. It was definitely Jim. I said I hoped. Jim said I texted him today. I texted him today. I texted him today with the article I go wow, you called it. And he said to it every show he talked about it, every show he talked about it, he goes. Micheletti's definitely going out with Sam. He goes. He's being way too critical of this team. There is no way he's coming back. And he was spot on Now, whether he was joking or not. He was spot on Now. Whether he was joking or not, he wasn't dead this year. But he wasn't. Michel Levy this year wasn't dead, he killed him.

Speaker 1: 1:02:13

I wonder if they will make Dave kind of reel it in a little bit, and maybe that's why he won't, maybe that's why he, maybe they won't even bring it up. But, sean, you want your guys to be homers much. Gory's a homer, no one cares about that, right? Danico's a homer, nobody cares about that. Why? Because they won cups. Well, dave went to the finals. Does that count? Can we give you half a homer? He's a captain, he's a ranger captain. I know kelly kissio, that should be the next color guy.

Speaker 1: 1:02:53

I was like Molly Walker in the poop. Oh jeez, that would be. Thanks, mike. You want to hear her laugh in the whole game. Thanks, mike. Listen, molly does. She gets a bad rap. I mean, she's a 20-something-year-old girl, she likes the game, she's passionate about it. I mean, not everybody is serious about everything, but she seems to do a good job.

Speaker 1: 1:03:18

I'll tell you, though, vince was the one that broke the Sullivan moves today. He was Because it was funny, because that came out, that came out. And then I want to say I don't know about it. Emily Patlick was after Emily Capulet, she was after him. But then an hour later the Micheletti news came out. So I said, oh man, maybe Vince Misheard something and he Got the news kind of Mixed up, ordered off the wrong menu, and then the whole thing with she broke it and the whole Tortorella thing. I can lie to you, I got giddy. I love Tortorella.

Speaker 1: 1:04:03

No disrespect to Jeff. I respect Jeff just as much as you do, his opinion, his knowledge, everything. But he is a quote machine and I'm sorry this team got too vanilla over the last five years, even with Vigneault. I want some guy with some paper, I do. I want some guy with some venom and I honestly I'm disappointed and again, I'm not going to kick laviolette while he was down I I I think it's disgusting what this team did to him this season. They should be absolutely ashamed of themselves that they probably, they probably have now taken out a second coach that may never get another coaching job. How in God's name could Vlavia let ever come back from this? I don't think he will. I don't think. I think Gallant and him will never Gallant's going to get another job. He will. I don't know, sean. I think he will.

Speaker 1: 1:04:57

It's been what? Well, it's only been two years, but it's been two. He hasn't even been spoken about a job. I've spoken about a little bit about the columbus job before. Um, yeah, who got hired there? I forgot the coach's name, I know. I mean, you know what I'm talking about. Reared it, not rearing um, whatever, you know I know what you're talking about. But, uh, you know, um, I lost my train of thought. Uh, he might have, he may have put two coach, he might have put in the last two coaches and who knows, if my career is not buddies with quinn, who knows if he'd ever get another head coaching job.

Speaker 1: 1:05:32

I mean, it goes to show you this this core has. I've been coach killers. I completely crippling, cutting the knees out of these guys and it's sad, I feel bad for them. They've also gone to two Eastern Conference finals and then the next year they freaking, fall on their face. So tell me the problem Again.

Speaker 1: 1:05:53

I'm asking you this question now for a third time Coach problem, core problem. Which is the problem? Both, there's been no leadership, it's leadership has been a problem. How do you say it's both when you just said that the coach, their first season, took them to an eastern conference final. So how? How come it wasn't the coach the first year? The message, that message wears thin when there's no leadership in the room one year. If there's no leadership in the room to to steer the ship, our trooper was the captain the second year. So what happened? He wasn't the captain this year. On the glen he was I'm talking about, though. Okay, and they're up to nothing against the devils in the first.

Speaker 1: 1:06:36

And what did I say about that whole thing though? I bring Brady and Patrick Kane screwed this entire team up that year. I hold that move. I don't disagree with you. The entire dynamic of that team, nobody knew their roles anymore. It was that move killed that season. That's the only pass quote-unquote that I'm getting.

Speaker 1: 1:06:56

Don't tell that to our friend Sean, though. No, we know that. He still sleeps in his Patrick Kane underwear. We get it. He's going to go back and watch this and be mad at you. You won't watch it, he won't be mad at you. I just hope that he doesn't post a picture of it on Twitter later on tonight. He might. It'll be in his blog, though. You can tell that for sure. Listen. So that's what I give to that one.

Speaker 1: 1:07:24

And then, obviously, gallant and Drury got into their argument during that series and that's why Gallant was fired. I don't think Gallant lost the team and was fired. I think his argument with Drury because Gallant probably said I guarantee you, you know how we hear all the stories about Neil Smith and Keenan and how they were at each other's necks and Neil Smith begging Keenan just tell me what you need and I'll get it for you. Like, let's sit down and talk about it and we'll get it. That conversation clearly never took place between Gallant and Drury. If he added Kane when Gallant needed more sandpaper on the team, and that's why Gallant threw Drury under the bus in one of the interviews.

Speaker 1: 1:08:00

I did my job, yeah, and Drury. He was referring to Drury, he was not referring to the team. No, I know you can't ask a guy that's a best player to play differently. No, I know, I said it. I said it was overkill and you and I talked about it on the show. I said it. I said it was overkill and you and I talked about it on the show. I said Sean, it's nice, I think they're going too far though, and I said it to you. I said I think there's too many cooks in the kitchen. You did. No, you did say that and I said they brought in Teresanko, they brought in Mikula, they brought in Tyler Mott. That should have been the end of it.

Speaker 1: 1:08:36

If you wanted to bring in another depth guy or you know a guy that plays in your bottom six, fine, but you can't bring in a guy like that. Neil Smith said it the best how often, how often do you bring in a superstar at the trade deadline and it turns out that that's the missing piece to you winning a championship? It doesn't happen. It's very few and far between. It also just wasn't a fit.

Speaker 1: 1:09:03

You had to change If you're going to make a deadline acquisition. Teresanko was perfect. Teresanko came in. Frank Vetrano came in. They plugged a hole in the boat. They didn't all of a sudden try to become the captain of the boat, they just plugged the hole so that the boat could keep going. They didn't have to be on the first power play, they just came in and played. They changed the entire team for Patrick Kane and it didn't work. They changed it Right. A power play that was a 30% power play. Let's change it because of Patrick Kane Stupid, stupid, dumb. So anyway, that's two years ago, but that's not, that's another. That is not another egg on jury's face. It is, and hopefully short it's.

Speaker 1: 1:09:43

It's really starting to compile here, continues to learn, but this is why I always say so what did he learn? When we're talking about coaches, when we're talking about coaches and I guess you continually hear me say this this is not a town that you learn on the job. Right, you should never be hiring someone first time. Jury's never been a gm in the nhl before. This is why you hire glenn, say there, to be your gm. This is why you hire retreads, whatever. This is why you hire someone who's done this before. Right, I agree. Or, if you're going to bring in a jury, then you make sure that his assistant has done this before. There needs to be leadership there. So he's learning on the job. He's making mistakes and hopefully learning from them. That's all we can hope.

Speaker 1: 1:10:26

Well, drury was an assistant general manager. He did not learn anything. Gordon did not. I mean, take the McDonough trade out of it, but Gordon did not make a lot of good moves to this team. Trade out of it, but Gordon did not made a lot of good moves to this team. I thought he was a solid general manager for what he was handed. Jeff Gordon was handed a steering wheel and a chassis.

Speaker 1: 1:10:50

They had to strip this team of everything Draft picks, young players, the works he had nothing to work with, drury had everything to work with and how he slowly stripped down everything that Gordon done and has gotten nothing for it. Nothing. Wasted asset in Copco. Wasted asset in you know? I guess he wanted to get Miller, so you can't be offended about that. That's not a wasted asset, but I mean just wasted asset. If the wasted asset, if the wasted asset, I mean it's just wasted asset, if the wasted asset, if the wasted asset, I mean it's nothing for Kratsov. It just goes on and on and on and she's like make a fucking hockey trade, make a young player for a young player, do something that isn't draft pick related. I agree, jimmy.

Speaker 1: 1:11:36

Yeah, vetrano was the guy the jury never should have let walk. That guy. He fit like a glove, to be fair. Agreed, he got a ton of millions. He got a lot of money at the time where they didn't have cap space.

Speaker 1: 1:11:45

So you would have to go back to see who they brought in that offseason. I don't think they signed anybody. Was that the Blake Wheeler offseason? No, that was the George Jacobs. That was the only win they brought in, that was the. That was the only. So who they brought in? So I can tell you who they brought in that offseason Louis Domingue and Trocek the fact that I don't remember them. Oh, and Ryan Carpenter, that was their offseason.

Speaker 1: 1:12:14

Where are you getting 3 million? And they had to get rid of Patrick Nemeth. And, oh, that was the Lafreniere and Keandre Miller contract extensions. So who are you trading? Now that we know things? You trade Kaka. Maybe you trade Kaka for a first-round pick, hindsight being 20-20. But again, how are you bringing up over $4 million? It's up to the GM to see this shit. Domingue's going to play over in the KHL or Switzerland or somewhere. I think he's going to the KHL, but he wasn't Hartford last year. He wasn't Hartford last year. I agree with you, sean. I agree with you.

Speaker 1: 1:12:52

But again, so did this team kill Gallant or did Gallant and Drury's relationship kill Gallant? I think this team killed Gallant. Or did Gallant and jury's relationship kill Gallant? I think this team killed Gallant. But they had a great regular season. They had a better regular. They had a better regular season than lobby let's second year. That's what Dan Shaw, right? I mean, let's be fair, president, take president trophy aside.

Speaker 1: 1:13:14

The two years Gallant had, and if you put their records together, I believe are better than LaViolette's, oh yeah, I mean, I mean, gallant had 200 points. We're going to get a losing record this year. We didn't have a losing record, well, gallant had 200 point seasons, right? I mean, what was the last coach that got fired after 200 point seasons? That's what I'm saying. I don't think the team killed him. I think Drury. I think his relationship with Drury is why he's no longer at a job.

Speaker 1: 1:13:41

If Patrick Kane is never brought here. They beat the Devils. I strongly believe that that team would have stayed together. They were struggling, I mean, down the stretch, they were having yeah, down the stretch, because they were trying to adjust to a new outfit that just walked in the door. Remember, they lost to Columbus before Kane got here. I don't care about one game here or there, but I'm just remembering games in my mind that I remember. Down the stretch, they always lose to Columbus.

Speaker 1: 1:14:06

So what does that matter? Well, that's true too, talking about teams that own us, the whole dynamic changed, but this year they quit. That's the part that pisses me off the most. They said after tommy got whacked and there was nothing we could do about it. It's, that's, that's what it was. It again. So drury and his relationship relationship with, with galant gets galant can drury and his relationship with players and the season this season.

Speaker 1: 1:14:42

So how much of this is on drury and how much of this is on the coaches and how much of this is on the teams? I think I don't blame everyone's a little culpable. I know lobby. I know lobby, let's take in the fall for this season. I don't think it's on him. I don't. There's got to be something to be said for not galvanizing a team. But they quit. They quit because they quit on the general manager. They're going to tell you something else, sean, I know, but like I said, 4-15, well, you can't even get a game to overtime. You couldn't get. Like I said, if they would have gotten to overtime four times, they would have made the playoffs. You're not wrong, 're not wrong. You can't, you couldn't get to overtime four times. They quit, they gave up, they did. And not only that, but when they woke back up again, they weren't out of it, because they woke back up again in january. Okay, they went on the run, they played good hockey. Then they get jt mill Miller. For whatever reason, this coach still couldn't get this team, or, like I said they would, they played disjointed hockey from from January 1st on. After they got, after they licked their wounds with Truba and Goudreau and all the nonsense, they came back January 1st and started playing much better, but it it was disjointed. A better coach, or a coach who would have done a better job, could have still gotten more out of this team, could have gotten them to play together. He didn't. He wasn't. He failed at doing that. That's his job. In essence, that is his job. Is it his job that that seemed to come out against Pittsburgh? If you have a sales staff, it's his job that that seemed to come out against Pittsburgh. If you have a sales staff, whatever it is, it's his job. For what, though, I mean? The only the only thing I will say is I don't. I didn't like a lot of the times where he what was the word I had? I had a point about the way he's the way he handled the lines, certain, certain line combinations, where I was like I had a point about the way he handled the lines, certain line combinations, where I was like, why is he putting that guy with this guy? I can't think of off the top of my head exactly the instance now. It'll probably come to me after tonight when I'm lying in bed reminiscing about the show. But I don't blame him for a lot of this stuff. I'm sorry, you can't get up. If you can't get up against, I mean they couldn't, you could, they couldn't even get up against, like jonathan rick said, chicago and buffalo nanceville. They got shut out by calgary. Calgary. They couldn't beat calgary. But calgary's always giving them a hard time, other than that one game where Trouba laid out Kadri, and even that game went to overtime. Calgary's always given us a hard time. Usually Markstrom's been in that. Now it's you know, teen Wolf, justin Wolf, justin Wolf, whatever his name is. That's a good one, I like that one. Yeah, and it did to All these games. Just snow pile. And, like I told you, I was all in. When they got Miller I said fuck it, let's go, let's get, let's get in, let's get in the playoffs, let's do our thing. But when they came out Against Pittsburgh Without Crosby, without Malkin, and Pittsburgh Walk walked all over them. How is that on the coach? What is he supposed to do? Hold players accountable? Did he dust off his 39 jersey and throw it on and play? No, but he didn't hold any. Did anyone get benched besides Kreider this year? I mean benched, did anyone get scratched? Any of the core got scratched, and he left right here definitely should have gotten scratched. I have no idea how that guy played 82 games again this year with the way he played right. I I don't know, I don't get it. He did low, as a bit of jazz ice's ice time, sean, and he played better. And he played better Even before that. Before he moved to wing, he lowered his ice time. He was playing 15 minutes a night, right, so he did hold. And what happened? They sulked even more. So that's just my point. No, he played better after January. He benched him before that. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about to me there's two different seasons. There's 2024 and there's 2025. 2024 happened once they started playing better in January. I forgot about 2024. What happened January 1st on? To me, that's the story of the season. Yeah, and let's say what happened after that. They lost twice to buffalo, one of them, I believe. They were shut out. The other game they lost by what? Eight, two when it was a twice, they got shut out. And then the game against pittsburgh uh, the game against columbus, that they got their asses handed to them. I mean, there were how many games where they just were complete no-shows, complete no-shows from the minute you walked in the door. And again you want. And again I know you're going to say, well, if Igor was better, and blah, blah, blah. But Igor's the least of their problems. They didn't bail him out one time this year. One time they didn't bail the guy out. He didn't play great but, like you said, this season didn't go where it went because of Igor. He had a core of players that couldn't get it together and they didn't have a coach that was a leader enough to get them steering all in the same direction to get them to buy in. If a coach isn't getting a team to buy in, whether it's the coach's fault or not, that is where it lays. The coach has to get his team to buy in. If a coach isn't getting a team to buy in, whether it's the coach's fault or not, that is where it lays. The coach has to get his team to buy in. In my job, if sales suck, who do you think they're going to turn? They've got to fire the entire sales staff. No, you're right, they've got to train all these people. You're right, you've got to fire the manager and hope that the new manager comes in and turns it around. I agree, jimmy. Believe it or not, I think Laffey is going to score 80, 90 points. The only way Laffey scores 80, 90 points is if Panarin scores 150 next year. No, if Lafreniere is on the first power play He'll never have. Yeah, give me 60. Until I am proven wrong, give me 65 on five points. Until I am proven wrong, I am going to go down with saying Laffey and 16 are big seasons are a product of Panarin's 120 point season. So until they prove me differently, because they both, with Panarin having a down year, they both other, they both had down years as well. So until they prove me wrong because he only got one more year with this guy. Because unless McDavid and Eichel both resign, the Rangers is keeping themselves flexible for one of those two guys. Yes, they are. Yes, they are. And unless they both resign on July 1st this year, don't expect Panarin to be back after next season unless he takes a huge discount, which I don't know if he will. He may or may not. As far as Jimmy Mack saying, sullivan's system will benefit Lafreniere 5-on-5 and he starts on Powerplay 1. No, no, because if you have all five guys on this roster next year from Power Play 1 for the last five years, well, kreider won't be on the roster probably. I still think he will be. How would you explain to me? Finish your thought. And then I want you to explain to me how Kreider's on this team next year. Finish your thought, though. If you let him go, he scores 35 goals somewhere else. I agree with you. Then you need to trade to Benajad. There's no way. Hold on. Finish your thought. Finish your thought. I'm going to pull up their cap situation. Finish your thought. It's clear that he was injured. He had 10 goals in the first 20 games of the season. We know what he still did the last two seasons before this. Agreed. He's hurt. Okay, he played hurt this year. Would we kill him for being out for the year? No, so, because he manned up on a team of guys that didn't man up. He manned up and played, despite the trade rumors. He shouldn't have played, though. He shouldn't have played. He hurt the team by playing, but that's not on him. A player should never ask to sit. That was on. The team should have told him to sit. What NHL player is going to say, yeah, I'm going to sit down, I'm hurting the team. No NHL player, no pro athlete. Wojtek Wolski yeah, no, you will never see a professional athlete. Okay, you ready. Yeah, you know what I'll sit. No, you're right, I don't disagree with you. I don't disagree with you with that. So alright for the. Why do they still have 24, 25 still here? Oh, on Puckpedia. Puckpedia Drives me crazy that they freaking do that. I'm sorry, finish it, I'm going to find it. Kubell is a free agent, by the way. It's on here. Oh, I already finished Breakdown. Nicholas Aube yeah, they don't have. I hate mom. Awful sentence. Yeah, hey, oh, he's another one. Yeah, that's another good example. I'm just trying to find a roster breakdown. So what it is. This was a sender. I hate the fact that they don't on Puckpedia. Like it's so hard to navigate through this site. I mean, you have, you have? You? Have you noticed that? All right, so 20, this is 24. They slept 24, 25 for the Rangers. Why would it? They have moved on from this by now. They're not in the playoffs? Where are we? I'm sorry, this is awful right now, but I want to give you this is great radio right now. I know this is terrible right now. Forgive us for one second. So, lafreniere for me you know you talk about five on five. Lafreniere, give me 60 points at five on five next year. Okay, all right. So here we go. So the cap next year is 95-5. This is going up too. The Rangers have projected cap space 9.67 million. Okay, they currently have 18 out of 23 players signed active, which is good. That's a good thing. They have a lot of guys signed, but again, that doesn't include Edstrom, cooley, renfee up front. So there's three guys, and that doesn't include Miller, keandre Miller and Calvin DeHaan no, I'm kidding and a seventh defenseman and obviously Zach Jones, which I don't expect to be here either. Jones will be traded. I think Kaiser Soce will be traded. Well, I mean, that's how you free up $3.25 million. But again, what are you paying, cooley? Because I'll tell you right now, that's going to be the other problem. He's going to get roughly two million dollars. I don't know. Don't be subdued. There's no arbitration rights when you don't arbitration. Let me ask you a question. Yep. How many times have we said this? He scored 20 goals a lot for a year, didn't even score 20 goals and he got two point almost 2.5 coming first year. Does it matter at that point? It does. Pedigree draft pedigree definitely gets taken into account. It does not matter at that point. And obviously the cap's going up, which means the salaries are going up. His cap was two years ago All right. So let me ask you what do you think it'll be? He's probably going to get close to the form at three and a half. You're out of your mind Two years Out of out of your mind the longer he sits out. Now the Rangers can't do anything because if they don't, what could happen to them is what could happen to St Louis or with Edmonton, where he could get off and sheeted. And now you can't match him. I thought as long as you tender him, he can't get off sheeted. He has arbitration rights. No, no, he doesn't. So you can't do that. It's only with the guys that have arbitration rights. I'd be shocked, dude. I would be shocked, beyond shocked. I'm just saying this. I'm saying 2.25. You're saying 3.5? I think he's going to get a three-year deal. I don't know if they're going to bridge him. I think they're going to sweeten the pot a little bit. I think he's coming off at 20 until Crider and Panarin's contracts are off the books. Listen, I love Chris Crider. He's my favorite Ranger. Jt Miller's slowly becoming my favorite Ranger, but I just don't see a path. Unless you get rid of Zibanejad, how do you get better? Now you're praying that these young players get better. And again, how often has that worked? You trade Kreider. What's your third line look like next year? I guess Offman's going to have to play. Yeah, offman, I think, is penned in. I still think you need a third line. I still think you need a second line. That's the other problem. You still need a second line center. You don't need a second line. That's the other problem. You still need a second line center. You don't need a second line center. Yes, you do. Who's the third line center? That line is going to be a line center. Don't say Sam Carrick is a third line center. No, no. Don't say Johnny Brzezinski is a third line center. I want them to sign Trent Frederick to be the third line center. With what money? He's a healthy scratch right now with Edmonton, it doesn't matter. He's going to. He's going to. He's probably hurt and he's probably not 100%. So what with what money? I mean, I just spelled it out for you. They have to sign five guys with $9 million. No, well, I'm talking about with Kreider gone. Now I know you can't sign Frederick with Kreider If you had Offman and Kreider on the wings. You still need a third. You still need a center. I think until the trade deadline you can get away with Parson or Brzezinski. I'm curious, I am very curious to see if Sullivan moves Mika back to center. I don't think so. I think that line looked too good. I think it's going to be all contingent on what this team does, and I don't think I truthfully don't think they want to break up 10, 13, 16. I really don't. That line was so fucking good two years ago. I mean, you have a line that's top five in the league in scoring. You have to bank on being able to get that back. You have to. I wonder it's funny. David Quinn put together Strom, panarin, fox, kreider and Sabinejad and it stayed together. Deangelo, first butad, and it stayed together. Oh, the angel pretty much the angel first, but then fox, it stayed together. You know, took a lot to now lobby a let for the most part. You know, you know plant 116 for another, it's a 30 power play. It's, it's proven. I wonder how much I really question whether Sullivan would try something different to start, because you do remember they originally put Hedl with Panarin. Who was it, panarin and who was the other guy? They took Truncheon, a line no a line Hedl played between Panarin and who was the other guy. They took Trump. Or a line no a line Hedo played between Panarin and Lafreniere. Was that how it started? Yeah, okay, so originally it was Hedo. I question whether to start, if he would consider something different to start and then see where it goes, just to not be saying, oh well, I'm going to play the same lineup lobby I put out there last year that they lost. So I don't know, I, I don't know it's gonna be, it's gonna be fascinating, it is gonna be fascinating, but I, I, I think it's this. This offseason is going to be more about taking what we have and just drilling it into them to play harder, to play better and to play as more of a team. They need to be led and they need to be led by JT Miller. That's the number one thing they need to do is put a C on his chest and let this be his team. He gave up a lot to get him. He's not leaving anytime soon. He's here for five years. That's the move. That's the first move, jimmy. I'm not saying Cooley would want to leave, but do you wonder if Broberg or Dylan Holloway wanted to leave Edmonton on a team with McDavid and Dre? They left because of the money. It does. It takes the player going to sign the contract. I know that. But what if the range offered in two million and and you know a team like utah office in five or six or six? I mean I don't know what the compensation is for that, but right, you wouldn't trade a first round pick for cooley right now, or even, or even you know a first or a second. I mean, I'm just saying that it it depends. It depends on what the ranges are offering and what other teams are offering, right? So I mean that's really what it comes down to. I'm not saying Cooley wants to leave, but I mean you're a 22, 23 year old guy. If someone offers you 2 million, someone opens you 6 million. I mean, what are you going to do? And what if your career ends in a year? What if your good ticket's here? I get all that. I do get all that. I don't know, man. Like you said, it will be fascinating to see what they do as far as that goes, but I'm still convinced it's going to be a very, very familiar roster, as much as we all want. I think they probably have no choice. And it's funny because I keep hearing and seeing oh, it's going to be so much fireworks, it's going to be so many fireworks. Oh, it's going to be so interesting, they're going to do this, they're going to do that. No, it's going to be so much fireworks, it's going to be so many fireworks to some. Oh, it's going to be so interesting, they're going to do this, they're going to be do that. No, you know from from not I mean from the beat, and not just from from bloggers and from podcasts, it's from the beat writers seem to think that the rangers are going to be very active. So I don't. Unless you're moving the big names. How Are they trading Fox? Are they trading Gennady? See, that's where reality needs to step in, where I think that these people and it's not just the beat writers too, it's even the national guys, sara Veli and Chris Johnson. You've got to look at the cap and say, well, what can they do? Let's be honest, sean, is trading Chris Kreider even enough? Is that even enough? It's moving $6.5 million. If you're giving Cooley $3 million and giving Miller $5 million and now you're subtracting $6.5 and putting on $8. You've still got to sign Rempe and Edstrom. I know they're not going to make a lot of money, they're going to make a million dollars and they still got to find a seventh defenseman. I mean, is it enough to get any better? Not significantly. That's why the Carson-Suse trade made zero fucking sense. Unless you know you can just move him, or unless you know you're not bringing Keiondre Miller back, you're trading him to fill another hole and then Suse's moving up to play in your top four, which is a fucking nightmare. That's a nightmare, but it makes zero sense. Otherwise, $3.5 million, six defensemen yeah, it doesn't make any sense. When the trade was made and I've said this repeatedly and for everyone that hasn't heard me say this I went like this but you harp over the third round pick. I could care less about the third round pick. But, sean, why wouldn't you harp over the third round pick? I could care less about the third round pick. And but, sean, why would I think that they can? How many guys have come in the third round that have turned out to have great careers? And if they trade susie for a third round pick this offseason, then what did it matter? They might not get a third round pick for him. They will because there's a team, that there's a team out there who's going to still say six, five can skate. So then, what was the point? Wrong situation what so then? What was the point? Wrong situation what was the point? What was the point? You brought in someone to take Lindgren's spot. It was either him or DeHaan. He's much better than DeHaan. No, he's not. Yeah, you say that now. Oh, no, he's not. He's saying that now, wait a second. Wait a second With Adam Fox. He would have lost your mind. Well, I'm not saying he's going to play with Fox. They could have moved someone else up there to play with them. It didn't have to be DeHaan, but they didn't. This is what they did. Why? But Soucy didn't even play with them. He didn't even play with Fox for the first few weeks. It was only until later on he did. They didn't need to waste their time with this guy. It doesn't make any sense. The trade makes zero sense. They needed a defenseman and Calvin DeHaan was a throw-in. Oh, so you bring in a guy. No, no, so you're saying they needed a defenseman, they needed a defenseman with term, and that's what we kept hearing. They're not going to sign a rental, they're going to bring a defenseman with term, defenseman with term, defenseman with term. Defensive with term. Defensive with term. Doesn't matter if he's good, he has to have term. Doesn't matter if he they're doing dying to spend that third round pick on anybody. Bringing a guy that was already scratched already in vancouver, who was good at, good enough to play there, and that's freaking dumpster fire. But now let's bring him here. Slow, weak and so many fasts of the game I mean doesn't know where his man is. Awful. I think JD Pusher was a better defense. In fairness, he's never played man-to-man D before. So we were the only team in the league playing man-to-man D before. So we're the only team in the league playing man-to-man D. It's always the fucking systems problem, always the systems fault, it's never the player. The player's never at fault. Oh, I'm not absolving him, but he's a third-pairing defenseman. That's all he ever should have been Jimmy. I'm telling you right now, if Kiadri Miller resigns, he's making 3-9 right now. I agree with you on that, because they're going to reference the minutes and minutes are a big stat when it comes to defensively. They should reference the turnovers and the turnovers that resulted in goals. I was at what game was it? Minnesota? He had a goal and two assists and he gave the puck away twice that resulted in goals. I was like unbelievable. What am I watching here? He's not getting 4.5. If he gets 4.5, I'll be shocked. He's getting at least $5 million. That would be a masterclass. It would be a masterclass. He gets 4.5. Sean loves Brock. I would be a master class. It would Four and a half. Sean loves Brock. I'm not a Brock Besser guy. Maybe you meant Sean, brock Nelson. He spelled Sean the way you spell him. That's true. I'm not a Brock Besser guy, brock, or is he talking about Brock Nelson? I don't want any money spent on wings. I'm sick of spending money on wings. I I'm sick of spending money on wings. I want money spent on centers and top four D. They need a top four defenseman. That's the other problem. I want Prokhorov. I mean, I want the Prokhorov. That's the other problem. Where are they getting a defenseman that's going to be able to play with Fox Prokhorov? All right, I know. All right, let's just play this way. If they move Miller up to play, who is the second pairing now Tell me Seuss is going to the second pair. You could do Schneider and Borgen, the two righties. Yeah, schneider played fine on the left side so I got no problem. I know you have no problem with it. They do not like playing guys on their offside. You don't know what Sullivan likes. The Rangers don't like it as a whole. Did righties play on're offside? You don't know what Sullivan likes. The Rangers don't like it as a whole. Galant didn't like it. Did righties play on the offside to get with the lefties playing the offside on the torts? Oh God, did we ever have that? I don't ever remember them talking about that, but I know they did not play it on the Galant and they did not play on the Quinn. Those guys aren't here. We'll see. I agree with what you're saying. I'm just saying we don't know what Sullivan thinks of this. I guess we'll cross that bridge when we get to that. I'm wondering when they will announce this. I think they'll be here. I'm going to tell you, you know when they're going to announce this, when tomorrow night or Saturday, what? The Rangers only announce things on the weekends. What are you referring to, sullivan's? Oh yeah, they'll only announce. They only announce things on the weekends. That's what they do. The press. This way, they could have the press conference on tuesday. Oh yeah, they might. Oh for god, they might actually have to do a press conference. They might actually have to. They might actually jury might actually have to speak to the media in person. You never know. You never know. Maybe Sullivan will be there on a monitor somewhere. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. Jury on his laptop. What a joke. The only executive in America who was happy about COVID. Everything got to be Zoom, zoom after that. Sean was right, chris, zoom, zoom, drury, I mean he did. I mean, how do you not? I mean you don't owe it to your fan base. What if this is a garden thing? I don't think the Knicks hold press conferences either, do they? No, leon Rose never speaks, ever, ever. Wow, the coach is the figurehead for the team. What a joke. What a joke. It's the way the organization runs, the organization meaning MSG. So what do we got coming up? What do we got coming up? So we got the draft lottery, which is very exciting. I think they'll go three and one in the next week. Yeah, we got the draft lottery coming up and after that, after they finally announced this whole coach thing probably going to have a nice little break here for a couple months yeah, I'll tell you, this coach thing is a far cry from last time, right, I mean man, did he not want to hire LaViolette? Is it me or did he not want to hire him? Maybe he didn't. I mean, he waited forever to hire him. I mean, the only two people that he interviewed were… John Hines, with Hines and someone else. Right, it was only three guys. Who was the third guy? I can't remember who it was. I can't think of who it was either. It'll come to me. So we have a 3% chance of winning a lottery. Doesn't matter, they'll ruin whoever it is anyway. As long as the Islanders don't get it, I'm okay with whoever gets it. They have a 3.5% chance. The Isles, we'll be happy. Wouldn't it be so funny that the last two fucking games they decided to go out and win, that now knocked us back. That's going to be the team that wins the fucking draft lottery. No, last time it was the opposite. Remember, ryan Strom scored, that's true. We were all pissed off that he ruined our draft spot. All that did was get us to the seventh pick, which actually wound up winning the lottery. Was it the seventh pick or the sixth pick? We would have had the seventh, okay, yeah, once I saw Buffalo pop up, that's when I knew we won the lottery. I'll tell you that was Should I do a spin? Should I do a lottery spin here? Yeah, do one, do one for fun. Tell me San Jose is going to get the first overall pick. Yep, san Jose, nashville and Chicago switch spots. I saw somebody said it took me 41 tries, but the Rangers got the first overall pick. I said, oh my God. I mean, does it really fucking matter? It really doesn't matter. I mean I'll tell you I've told this story a million times. The night I was at work, the night that the Rangers won the draft lottery for Cocko, I was actually coming back from a run and I had my phone and we were coming back and I honestly could not eat, I could not sleep and I had my phone and we were coming back and they had won and I honestly could not eat, I could not sleep. It was like I was shaking of pure euphoria, almost like winning a championship, almost like the feeling you have of winning. And from where I was that night to where I am sitting tonight, I just can't believe we're back. I just can't believe that nothing materialized out of that guy An absolute, completely disgrace. Awful, but it is what it is. Was talking last year, was talking three or four with Gallant when they interviewed Gallant, because you and I talked about when they interviewed Gallant, it was Gallant. We heard a little bit of Tuckett, right, and that was it. We heard nothing else. That was our first year as a podcast. I don't remember Tuckett's name ever coming up. No, tuckett's name was definitely brought up during the whole Galant thing. I'm almost positive. What has he ever accomplished? I know that's the thing he's always mentioned, but what has he ever actually accomplished? Nothing. He was kind of good with Arizona. I forgot he was the coach there. Oh my God, I forgot about that. I don't know Sean. Again, paul Maurice took Carolina to a cup final, didn't he? Was he the coach of Carolina when they went to the cup, to the Eastern Conference Finals, eastern Conference Finals, and that was when what's it called? Beat them out? Oh shit, was it the Devils? The Devils beat them. Right, the Devils won the Cup. But that was against Edmonton, right? No, anaheim, the John Sebastian Jaguar series, yeah, but who did Edmonton play? Didn't Edmonton make it to the Cup Final with Pronger? And that was against Carolina. Oh, that was against Carolina. That's what it was. Edmonton made it to the cup finals. I knew Carolina was embedded in there. Yeah, I don't know. Anyway, this was fun. Yeah, it was a good show. Solid one, solid effort, solid effort all around. Why don't we tell everyone on YouTube about our Patreon group? Should we do that now? No, yes, if you'd like to sign up for Patreon, it's Patreon. I'll put the link here. Make sure you smash the subscribe button. I forgot about that. Down below, it's going to get stupid. 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